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About what 9 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 3: time in the morning was it? 10 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 4: Matt Jim Claudora Mom. 11 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 3: See this is Steve Ralford who says one day, when 12 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 3: he was just a little boy, his mom sent him 13 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 3: to the store because she was sick. 14 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 4: Excuse me, dealing driven street, get him kind of shoop, 15 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 4: you know. 16 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 5: On the way back, got on the sidewalks Toppee shows 17 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 5: me photograph. 18 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 3: Dennis Raider showed you a photograph. 19 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 5: Yes, ma'am, asked me, Did I know who it was? 20 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 5: I said you no, say I herd look at it again, 21 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 5: Take it, look at it again. Get back to him, 22 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 5: you know. About fifteen minutes later, came knocking. 23 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 4: On our door. 24 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,919 Speaker 5: Me and my brother writes to the door and opened it. 25 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 3: When Steve answered the door, Dennis Raider was standing. 26 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 4: There are your parent, comes my mama. 27 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 6: She shick in bed and proceeded to come on in. 28 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 6: He forced his way through, turned off TV, and at 29 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 6: that time, my mama keeps out, what the hell's going 30 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 6: on here? Reaches under his arm, got the gun. Tell 31 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:04,559 Speaker 6: those kids to sit on the couch. 32 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 5: He put some toys and blanket made my mom put 33 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 5: the toys and blankets and busting and tied the one 34 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 5: door shut, puts us in there, shut us bed against 35 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 5: the other door. 36 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 3: Steve and his siblings were trapped in the bathroom helpless. 37 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,119 Speaker 5: There was a cracking the door. While I look out, 38 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 5: I heard my mom pleading. When I looked out, she 39 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 5: can't beating them fucking her mom's hands. She broke a 40 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 5: fucking bottle in her hands and shit patched it back 41 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 5: over her head, roped out around her neck, hog tied 42 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 5: with tape. My brother he broke fucking windows out in 43 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 5: the bathroom. However, for help, I think I scared him off. 44 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 5: I broke through the fucking bathroom door. 45 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 4: My mom was try down town the road. I couldn't. 46 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 3: Steve ran outside and tried to find help. He went 47 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 3: to the neighbor's house. 48 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 5: I go aside go to my neighbors that big, big window, 49 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 5: clean glass door, poun on it, broke it and come 50 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 5: the door calling on a couple of mom's dead. I 51 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 5: tried to given call him down. Hain't got time calling down. 52 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 3: The neighbor called the police and went next door. 53 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 4: He went down and kicked seem what I was talking about. 54 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 4: I'm dead? 55 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 3: Their mom surely was dead. 56 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 7: Someone killed four members of a family. 57 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 8: Had you vanished from her home last weekend? Her phone 58 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 8: lines had been cut, her door left open. 59 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 9: You see the victim play in there with plastic bags 60 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 9: over their heads, strangled. You could tell it was a 61 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 9: planned scenario. 62 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 8: Well, police have said no more about the contents of 63 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 8: the letter. It does contain some sort of threat and 64 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 8: implies the killer may strike again. 65 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 7: He's gonna play with these victims. 66 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 10: He'd get him to the point of death and then 67 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 10: bring them back and then brings them back to the 68 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 10: point of death. 69 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 3: From My Heart Podcasts and Tenderfoot TV. I'm Susan Peters 70 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 3: and this is Monster BTK. The murder of Shirley Vyanne 71 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 3: Ralford was one of the most unusual and tragic murders 72 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: committed by BTK, and that's because She wasn't even the 73 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 3: intended target. Vyanne was never supposed to interact with BTK 74 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 3: that terrible day in nineteen seventy seven. It was just 75 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 3: another unfortunate consequence of Dennis Raider's lunacy and poor planning. 76 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 3: Vyanne was a young mother, just twenty four years old, 77 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 3: who was spending her days raising her three children, Bud, Stephanie, 78 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 3: and Steve. 79 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 4: I'm in trouble at it in the corner. 80 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 3: This is Steve Ralford, son of Shirley Vyanne. You heard 81 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 3: him tell the harrowing story of witnessing his mother's murder 82 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 3: at the top of the episode. He said his mom 83 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 3: was strict, but that all of her children adored her. 84 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 5: A gospel singer, Church mekays take share off for bag Giftea. 85 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 3: When I talked to you years ago, you told me 86 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 3: about a song your mama used to sing to you 87 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 3: before you went. 88 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 5: To bed, shout and teach, Loune Schatt and build cwn. 89 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 4: Yep. 90 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 3: Didn't she sing a song too about tears on the pillow? 91 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 3: Or do you remember that song? 92 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 4: Yeah? I probably sing it to you, but I'm not 93 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 4: going to. 94 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 3: Go ahead so we can hear the word will you 95 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 3: want to just tell us some of the words? 96 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 11: Yeah? 97 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 4: Sure? What she sing to you? Chat? And she lou 98 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 4: sad pillow cud big long cut, I do not have big. 99 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 4: I don't remember all the words, but it. 100 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 3: Was a country song. 101 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 11: Yeah. 102 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 3: What'd she cook for dinner? 103 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 4: What did you guys like? Efford? 104 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 3: Do you remember any of that? 105 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:59,799 Speaker 5: I changed my favorite SKay O b asked she'd always 106 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 5: feel Margie South. 107 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 4: That's how. 108 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 3: While Shirley was raising her children, Dennis Rader was planning 109 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 3: his next murder. It was nineteen seventy seven, and he 110 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 3: hadn't killed since Catherine Bright in nineteen seventy four. According 111 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 3: to the book Confession of a Serial Killer, he picked 112 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 3: March of that year for his next murder because. 113 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 11: It relates to threes. It was the third month. It 114 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 11: was also spring break at WSU in work vacation. 115 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 3: On March seventeenth, nineteen seventy seven, Saint Patrick's Day. Coincidentally, 116 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 3: Rader left his house. Here's an excerpt from the book 117 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 3: Buying Torture Kill, The Inside Story of BTK. 118 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 12: His primary target this day lived at twelve oh seven 119 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 12: South Greenswood. If that target didn't work out, just a 120 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 12: block to the east at twelve forty three South Hydraulic. 121 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 12: There was an alley behind that address, a place to hide, 122 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 12: and if those targets didn't work out, he had another 123 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 12: backup and yet another. He stopped multiple women, switching surveillance 124 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 12: from one to another for weeks, taking notes, pondering escape routes. 125 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 12: His not theirs. 126 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 3: Raider's main target at this address was a woman named 127 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 3: Cheryl Gilmore. He called her Project Blackout because he had 128 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 3: spied on her for weeks prior, drinking heavily at nearby bars. 129 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 3: Raider also discovered that Cheryl lived with two other women. 130 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 3: If Cheryl wasn't home, surely one of them would be 131 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 3: there instead. Here are Raiders' own words, quoted in the 132 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 3: book Confession of a Serial Killer. 133 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 11: On that particular day, I drove to Dylan's and parked 134 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 11: in the parking lot and watched this particular residence. And 135 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 11: then I got out of the car and walked over 136 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 11: to the door. I knocked, but nobody answered. 137 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 3: No one was home. Raider got frustrated. 138 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 11: I was all keyed up over not getting into that 139 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 11: house on PJ. Green, So I drove and then parked 140 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 11: and started going through the neighborhood. I had on my 141 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 11: James Bond jacket, a tweed jacket, and nice shoes. I 142 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 11: had enough projects I had been watching that if one 143 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 11: didn't work out, I could just go to another. But 144 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 11: while I was walking away from the intended house and 145 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 11: down hydraulic, I saw a young boy coming back from Dylan's. 146 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 11: I figured he had a mother in the house. 147 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 3: That young boy was Steve Ralphord. His mother, Shirley, was 148 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 3: sick with the flume. She had sent him on an 149 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 3: errand to pick up some soup from the store. Dylan's 150 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 3: raider approached Steve on his way back home. 151 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 11: I had a picture in my wallet of my wife baby, 152 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 11: so I used it to pretend I was looking for them. 153 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 11: I asked if he had seen them. I knew he 154 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 11: wouldn't know them. He told me he didn't, but I 155 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 11: watched where he went. 156 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 3: Next raider waited about fifteen minutes before approaching the door. 157 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 3: Finally he knocked. 158 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 11: This boy opened the door with his brother. I told 159 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 11: them I was a private detective and showed them the picture. 160 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 11: I carried a blue briefcase large enough for my hit kit, 161 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 11: cord tape, plastic bags, a gun, but not too large 162 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 11: to be noticed when I carried it on the street, 163 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 11: like I was a salesman or a businessman. 164 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 3: Steve was just a little boy, six years old. He 165 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 3: didn't know better, and even if he was older and 166 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 3: more prepared, he couldn't have predicted that this man was 167 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 3: a murderer. After Steve opened the door, he didn't really 168 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 3: respond to Raider's speech about being a detective. So Rader 169 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 3: forced his way through the doorway and brandished a gun. 170 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 3: Shirley heard the commotion from the other room and came 171 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 3: out to see what was going on. 172 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 11: I told her I had a problem with the sexual 173 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 11: fantasies and I was going to tie her up. I 174 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 11: pulled down the blinds and turned off the TV. I 175 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 11: said I would tie up the kids first. I decided 176 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 11: to put the kids in the bathroom and shut the door. 177 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 11: We put toys and blankets in there for them. She 178 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 11: told the kids to do whatever I said. I tied 179 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 11: the door shut, but the kids were still yelling. She 180 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 11: helped me to shove a bed against the door. Then 181 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 11: I proceeded to tie her up. 182 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 3: First, Rader used electrical tape to bind her hands and feet. 183 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 3: Then he used cores and nylon stockings to tie up 184 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 3: her ankles and wrists even tighter, and he placed her 185 00:11:55,440 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 3: face down on the mattress. All the while, steven siblings 186 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 3: were banging on the door and screaming. Raider threatened to 187 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 3: shoot them, so they quieted down, and then Shirley Vyanne 188 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 3: got sick and vomited on the floor. 189 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 11: I think my being there had made her worse. She 190 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 11: was partially tied when I got her a glass of 191 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:20,959 Speaker 11: water and comforted her a bit. 192 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 3: After Rader finished tying up Shirley Vyanne, he pulled a 193 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 3: plastic bag around her head and began to strangle her 194 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 3: until she died. 195 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 11: I used white plastic bags, garbage size that you could 196 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 11: buy in a roll. I like the ones in a box, 197 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 11: using plastic gloves, I folded them neatly and placed them 198 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 11: in another bag. That bag would go with me in 199 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 11: case it had fingerprints or material on it. 200 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 3: The room became more chaotic when suddenly the phone rang. 201 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 3: It startled Rader, and the kids started to scream and 202 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 3: bang on the door once again. Rader decided it was 203 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 3: time to go. He packed up his hit kit and 204 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 3: left the house. He didn't realize the kids had escaped 205 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 3: through the bathroom window and were running around the neighborhood 206 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 3: yelling out for help. 207 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 9: The kids were able to get out. They broke out 208 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 9: the window and were able to escape. We worked with 209 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 9: the children as best we could. 210 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 3: This is former Wichita Police Chief Richard Lemonnion. He says 211 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 3: the Wichita Police Department was called by a neighbor who 212 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 3: found Steve and his siblings running around outside. When police arrived, 213 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 3: they questioned the children, but it was tough to get 214 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 3: much out of them. 215 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 9: One of the children I think was six or eight, 216 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 9: but he was intellectually challenged, and so we did work 217 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 9: with him to try to get some ideas. We did 218 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 9: get the fact that it was a white male. We 219 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 9: knew also he had a bag, which stands to reason 220 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 9: because he'd brings the tape, he brings the rope, he 221 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 9: brings the guns, he brings everything he needs the bags. 222 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 9: So we were able to establish that. We had specialists 223 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 9: work with the children, but again that was to no avail. 224 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 3: Lemunion says the kids were too stunned to formulate coherent recollections, 225 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 3: which is understandable given their age and the situation. Still, 226 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 3: it took investigators a while to figure out what happened, 227 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 3: as Lemunion says, they discovered Vyanne's body, along with all 228 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 3: of the rope tape and one of the bags that 229 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 3: BTK left behind. They also found seamen at the crime 230 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 3: scene where the killer supposedly masturbated. Police immediately noticed the 231 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 3: similarities to previous BTK murders. Responding officer Raymond Fletcher was 232 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 3: quoted as saying, it looks like the same thing as 233 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 3: the O'to case. A few more officers reportedly also expressed 234 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 3: their suspicions at the crime scene, but according to the 235 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 3: book Buying Torture Kill, police were hesitant to officially connect 236 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:14,359 Speaker 3: the crimes. 237 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 12: Supervisors told them to stop guessing and work the evidence. 238 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 12: If BTK had killed Shirley Vyanne, it meant he was 239 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 12: a serial killer, and the brass didn't want to leap 240 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 12: to that conclusion or set off a panic. 241 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 3: Le Monnion says he had a hunch that was the 242 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 3: same person who killed the Otos, but ultimately he decided 243 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 3: not to release an official statement connecting the murders. He 244 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 3: didn't want to give BTK any incentive to kill again, 245 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 3: and he didn't want to create a frenzy. He says 246 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 3: his main objective following the Vane murder was to protect 247 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 3: the people of Wichita from further tragedy. 248 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 9: The big thing that weighs on you is the fact 249 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 9: that this is going to happen again. You know what's 250 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 9: going to happen again, and that's what frustrates you to 251 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 9: the point that what else can I do to protect 252 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 9: the community. It's not so much that I'm worried about 253 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 9: my children, because I can protect them, but it's the 254 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 9: other single moms. It's the other people that can't protect themselves. 255 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 3: While investigators were busy in making sense of the Buyan murder, 256 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:32,359 Speaker 3: Steve Ralford's life had been turned upside down. 257 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 11: After that. 258 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 5: We went to Posha home and my grandparents. They had 259 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 5: to have a bunch shit. They come gays from okah huh, 260 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 5: and that's what in my fucking trouble. Well, he started 261 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 5: guarded smoking, shooting dope with Data nine, bringing age of six. 262 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 4: I ain't I don't know, camera rebellious. You can give 263 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,479 Speaker 4: shit about nothing or nobody. 264 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 3: When you went to your grandparents' house after the Foster home, 265 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 3: was there any kind of therapy or I. 266 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 5: Mean they try to give me therapy. I've become remillions. 267 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 5: Like I said, I thank her My brother and sister, 268 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 5: they both and draw the yesesile of their life. 269 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 3: Me. 270 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 4: They said I was too fucking smart. What might be 271 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:32,719 Speaker 4: a smart? 272 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 11: Ask me? 273 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:33,959 Speaker 4: I'm not smart. 274 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 3: My heart breaks for Steve Ralford. Over the years, I've 275 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 3: gotten to know this man well and watch him try 276 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 3: over and over again to overcome the tragedy of his 277 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 3: mother's death. Yes, it spiraled him out and sent him 278 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 3: down a path of self destruction, but I've also watched 279 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 3: him heal and come to terms with the events of 280 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 3: his life. Steve has spent the last many years slowly 281 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 3: pulling himself up, and I'm just happy that I've gotten 282 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 3: to know him and to be alongside him in his 283 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 3: journey to recovery. 284 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 5: Nowadays, that family I had two kids, more about I 285 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 5: can't do shit. 286 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 4: And hard. 287 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 3: The unfortunate reality is that Steve was just one of 288 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 3: many people whose lives would be destroyed by BTK. Because 289 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 3: Shirley Vanne was far from the last BTK victim. Only 290 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 3: months later, this time BTK would strike again. 291 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 13: Yeah, you will find a homicide forty three, Ny Fox, 292 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 13: I'm sybody to address. 293 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 9: Shirley was killed in March of seventy seven, and in 294 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 9: December of seventy seven Nancy Fox. Nancy was killed. 295 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 3: Raider had discovered Nancy Fox on another of his prowls 296 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 3: through the streets of Wichita. He would drive around and 297 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 3: scope out women that might make good targets. He was 298 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 3: still reeling from the high of the Shirley Vyanne murder, 299 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 3: and one day he discovered Nancy walking into her apartment 300 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 3: at eight forty three South Pershing. She was coming home 301 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 3: from her job at the nearby mall. Raiders spent weeks 302 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 3: following her to and from work. He determined that she 303 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 3: lived alone and would be the perfect project. On the 304 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 3: evening of December eighth, nineteen seventy seven, Raider left home, 305 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 3: telling his family that he'd be studying at the WSU library. 306 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 3: Around nine pm, Raider left the library and parked two 307 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 3: blocks down from Nancy's apartment building. He grabbed his hit 308 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 3: kit and walked up to her door. Here are Raider's 309 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 3: words from the book Confession of a Serial Killer. 310 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 11: I knocked first to see if anybody was home. I 311 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 11: had studied her work routines and knew she arrived at 312 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 11: a particular time. I just wanted to be sure. Nobody 313 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 11: answered the door, so I looked around, went around to 314 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 11: the back of the house and cut the phone lines. 315 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 11: I cut the window, broke in and waited in the kitchen. 316 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 3: Raider recalls seeing Christmas decorations throughout the apartment. She was 317 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 3: very clean and tidy, something he liked about her. He 318 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 3: waited and waited until finally. 319 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 11: She came in. She was startled. She asked what I 320 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 11: was doing there After, we confronted each other. I told 321 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 11: her I traveled a lot. I meant no real harm. 322 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 11: I had a sexual problem. I wanted sex. I would 323 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 11: tie her up and take a picture. She took her 324 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 11: park off. I believe it was white or cream colored. 325 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 11: As she laid her park it down, I began to smoke. 326 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 11: I sat on the couch and she sat on a 327 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 11: chair on the west side of the living room. She 328 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 11: was upset. 329 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 3: According to Rader, Nancy said something to the effect of, 330 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 3: let's get this over with so I can call the police. 331 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 3: That was a mistake. 332 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 11: She sealed her doom for sure when she told me 333 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 11: she would contact the police. I wore no mask or 334 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 11: anything to hide my face. I had to kill her. 335 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 3: At this point, Rader says Nancy asked to go to 336 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 3: the bathroom. He said yes, but instructed her to remove 337 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 3: her clothes. After she returned, he handcuffed her, bound her 338 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 3: feet at the ankles, and gagged her. 339 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 11: I got on top of her, and then I reached over, 340 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 11: took a belt, and then strangled her with it. That's 341 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 11: all I needed with a victim in bondage. The act 342 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 11: of strangling brought gratification quickly along with a victim struggling. 343 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,959 Speaker 4: This guy wanted to be in position. 344 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 10: I was like, God, he's going to determine whether or 345 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 10: not you're get to live when you got to die. 346 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 10: He's going to play with these victims and torture these 347 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 10: victims psychologically and physically. 348 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 3: This is former FBI profiler John Douglas. He says that 349 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 3: the murder of Nancy Fox was a prime example of 350 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 3: Raider's peculiar mo because Raider didn't just strangle Nancy until 351 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 3: you died. 352 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 10: This guy wasn't killing him right away. He'd get him 353 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 10: to the point of death and then bring them back, 354 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 10: and then brings them back to the point of death. 355 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 11: Fox passed out. I had her come back, and I 356 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 11: whispered in her ear a little bit I told her 357 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 11: I was BTK, I was a bad guy. This was 358 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 11: the torture thing. You can visualize being tied up and 359 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 11: knowing that something's going to happen to you and you 360 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 11: can do nothing. That's my torture. What he was doing. 361 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 10: It was very similar to some other cases we've seen, 362 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 10: like this kind of torture where they'll strangle and you 363 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 10: can see marks on the throat where there's kind of 364 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 10: like skid marks. 365 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 4: And what it is. 366 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 10: It's they're using ligature strangulation and then the ligature will 367 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 10: be released at the point where they're unconscious. They wait 368 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 10: for them to regain conscious, and then they put it 369 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 10: on their neck again, and so you see that there'd 370 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 10: be several marks on the victim's throat. It's just for 371 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 10: the sake of again playing God's part of the torture. 372 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 3: The murder of Nancy Fox was also another example of 373 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 3: Raider killing a woman in a sexual way without actually 374 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 3: having sex with them. He once again chose to masturbate 375 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,479 Speaker 3: rather than engage in penetrate of sex, and for someone 376 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 3: like John Douglas, this was telling. 377 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 10: He was getting a sexual euphoria from the acts that 378 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 10: he was doing and killing was part of that. Sexual 379 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 10: penetration on. 380 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 4: The victims was absent. 381 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 10: He would stand over then and ejaculate onto the victims. Well, 382 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 10: I would find out later on sexually penetrating or having 383 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 10: sex with him, that would be like cheating on his wife. 384 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 4: This is the thinking of these people. 385 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 10: And I'd be cheating on my wife if I do that. 386 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 10: But if I masturbated the scene, I mean that's okay. 387 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 3: The murder of Nancy Fox was all so yet another 388 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 3: example of Raider trying to deceive the victim. Remember he 389 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 3: told Nancy Fox some story that he was just passing through. 390 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 3: He had told Steve Ralford he was a private detective 391 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 3: for Douglas. This was also a good indicator of the 392 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 3: type of killer that Raider was him. 393 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 10: And another case is they'll come up with a story 394 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 10: to control them, to make them settle down. Don't worry, 395 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 10: I'm not going to hurt you. The story was he 396 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 10: would go in there like he's escapee. He's committed a crime. 397 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 10: I need your car, I need your food, and I'm 398 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 10: not going to hurt you, and want some money. Then 399 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 10: they will allow him. When you hear that, the emotion 400 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 10: goes down and he starts binding him up and then 401 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 10: decides to do the things he really wants to do 402 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 10: with him, and that is to bind him up and 403 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 10: kill him, kill him slowly. 404 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 3: Clearly, the goal in each of these cases was twofold. 405 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 3: One to the victim down and keep the situation under control. 406 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 3: Two to fill a twisted sense of power by lulling 407 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 3: the victim into a false sense of security. According to 408 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 3: John Douglas, Raider's patterns should have been clear to the 409 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 3: local investigators by this point, and in fact, Wichita PD 410 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 3: could no longer ignore the fact that this was BTK. 411 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 9: He left semen in a neglige beside her. She was 412 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 9: laying face down on the bed, and he obviously took 413 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 9: some pictures while he was in there, took a driver's license. 414 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 3: This is retired Wichita Police Chief Richard Lemunion Again. He 415 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 3: said he was shocked to find another BTK murder so soon, 416 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 3: and this time his attitude changed about addressing the BTK 417 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 3: problem publicly. 418 00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 9: It was after Nancy that I made the decision we 419 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 9: need to do officially give him credit, stopping keeping from 420 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 9: doing anything else. 421 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 3: And police would get plenty of opportunities to do just 422 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 3: that because BTK decided he wanted to communicate once again. First, 423 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 3: not long after the murder, nine to one to one 424 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 3: dispatch received a strange phone. 425 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 13: Call, good if you will find a homicide forty three stop, 426 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 13: I'm going what is your address? 427 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 9: The dispatchers received a call indicating he said you will 428 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 9: find a homicide and gave the address and her name. 429 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 9: That's the communications that we got from him through the dispatch, 430 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,719 Speaker 9: which was obviously taped, so we tried to follow up 431 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 9: on that. 432 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 3: Le Monnion says the call came in just after a 433 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 3: on the morning of December ninth. They immediately sent someone 434 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 3: to investigate the source of the payphone call. 435 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 9: The phone that he used was outside of a grocery 436 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 9: store was on Central Street and there was a firefighter 437 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 9: who was off duty, and then he had just walked 438 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 9: out of there. The investigator went back about the time 439 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 9: the call came and firefighter came up and said, yeah, 440 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 9: I saw a guy, and he was able again to 441 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 9: tell us about a white male. That's when it became 442 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 9: so clear that this was a game they was playing, 443 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 9: but he was using innocent people and he was killing 444 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 9: them and he was going to kill again. We had 445 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 9: to gear up. What else can we do, And that's 446 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 9: the frustrating part. What else can we do? 447 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 3: Using a public payphone and his own voice was a 448 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 3: monumental risk, But BTK loved the thrill. He loved it 449 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 3: so much, in fact, that he followed it up with 450 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 3: another letter in January of nineteen seventy eight, once again 451 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 3: addressed to the Wichita Eagle. 452 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 9: Actually was a poem. He sent us a poem on 453 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 9: Shirley Surely thy In sure you have seen. 454 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 11: The poem Shirly locks, surely locks? Wilt thou be mine? 455 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 11: Thou shalt not scream nor yet to feel the line, 456 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 11: but lay on cushion and think of me and death 457 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 11: and how it's going to be. 458 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 3: For whatever reason, this poem flew under the radar. Perhaps 459 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 3: the mail room team at The Eagle thought it was 460 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 3: just some bizarre prank, and so it wasn't reported to 461 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 3: police or connected to BTK, at least not yet. 462 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 9: And then in February a letter from BTK was sent 463 00:29:53,600 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 9: to Cake TV claiming responsibility for Surely and for Nancy. 464 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 14: Good afternoon. 465 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 15: This morning k T they was contacted by the person 466 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 15: who police say they believe murdered four members of the 467 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 15: Joseph Otero family in January of nineteen seventy four, executive 468 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 15: producer Ron Lowan receive the letter. He's with us today 469 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 15: to give us the information, ron Jack. 470 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 16: The communication came in the form of a two page 471 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 16: typewritten letter addressed to Kake Channel ten. It was signed 472 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 16: with the initials BTK. BTK claims to have strangled a 473 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 16: total of seven women, seven people, rather mostly women. He 474 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 16: provided a list of his victims, beginning with the number five, 475 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 16: where he wrote you guessed the. 476 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:38,959 Speaker 11: Victim and the motive. 477 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 16: Then he listed Shirley Vyanne as his sixth victim and 478 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 16: provided a paragraph of details concerning the murder, with many 479 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 16: details known only to the police. 480 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 3: Hake received the letter on February ninth, nineteen seventy eight, 481 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 3: along with the poem we told you about in episode 482 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 3: one called Oh Death to Nancy. It also included crude 483 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 3: hand drawings of the Nancy Fox crime scene. The letter started, I. 484 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 11: Find the newspaper not writing about the poem on vanne 485 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 11: Unamusing a little paragraph would have been enough. I know 486 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 11: it's not the news media's fault. The police chief he 487 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 11: keeps things quiet and doesn't let the public know there's 488 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 11: a psycho running around loose, strangling mostly women. There's seven 489 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 11: in the ground. Who will be next? 490 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 3: Later in the letter, he mentioned Nancy Fox by name. 491 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 11: There is no help, no cure except death or being 492 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 11: caught and put away. It's a terrible nightmare, but you see, 493 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 11: I don't lose any sleep over it. After a thing 494 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 11: like Fox, I come home and I go about life 495 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 11: like anyone else. 496 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 3: Then he brought up the matter of his own moniker. 497 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 11: Before a murder or murderers, you will receive a copy 498 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 11: of the initials BTK. You keep that copy, the original 499 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 11: will show up someday on guess who You may not 500 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 11: be the unlucky one. Ps. How about a name for me? 501 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 11: It's time seven down and many more to go. I 502 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 11: like the following. How about you? The BTK strangler, Wichita Strangler, 503 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 11: poetic Strangler, bond age strangler, the Wichita Hangman, the Wichita Executioner, 504 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 11: the Garat Phantom, the exphyxiator. 505 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 7: It was a Saturday morning and the postcard had come 506 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 7: into our mail room, and so the station manager and 507 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 7: I took the postcard down to the Wichita Police Department 508 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 7: and we gave it to the police, and we asked 509 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 7: to talk to him about this because obviously something was up. 510 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 3: This is KKE TV anchor Larry Hadiberg, and. 511 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 7: So he went into a room with his chief detective, 512 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 7: shut the door. After about a half hour, came out 513 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 7: and he told us that he wanted to go on 514 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 7: our air that night at about six o'clock in the 515 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 7: evening and tell the people of Wichita that the serial 516 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 7: killer was loose. We were shocked. Wow, this is incredible. 517 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 9: I went to KTV with the idea that what we 518 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,719 Speaker 9: wanted him to do was communicate with us. And I 519 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 9: have to tell you at that time we had great 520 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 9: rapport with the reporters at KKTV, their higher ups, and 521 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 9: with the newspaper. I mean that's the time and history 522 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 9: when really we were partners. We had to have the media. 523 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 9: This was his communication network. So we encouraged him to 524 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 9: communicate until we could find out who this individual was. 525 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 7: So obviously we went back to the television station, prepared 526 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,919 Speaker 7: the newscast and waited for the police chief to come 527 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 7: and sure enough he shows up, goes on the air 528 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 7: and says, we have a serial killer in Wichita. Here's 529 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 7: what we know about him. 530 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,320 Speaker 16: But with us right now is Chief of Police Richard Lemoniam, 531 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 16: who has been reviewing the letter since this afternoon, and 532 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 16: I have a couple of questions, Chief, how can you 533 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,720 Speaker 16: be sure that the BTK letter is authentic. 534 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 17: Or on After reviewing the contents of the letters? Absolutely 535 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 17: no question that the only person who would have the 536 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 17: type of information that was included in the letter would 537 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 17: have to be the killer himself. 538 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 16: Do you know what the initials BTK stand for? 539 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 14: Is? 540 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 17: It's our feeling that the initials that were placed there 541 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 17: stand for buying, torture and kill. We have an individual 542 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 17: who apparently has the uncontrollable desire to kill at times, 543 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,760 Speaker 17: he is not a rational person during that frame of mind. 544 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 17: So I think an undo or a special awareness on 545 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 17: the part of the citizens be alert call us when 546 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 17: they have any type of information that they feel could 547 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,959 Speaker 17: be relevant, even if it seems at the time very insignificant, 548 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 17: it might be just exactly. 549 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 11: What we need. 550 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,399 Speaker 3: The race to catch BGK now included the media as 551 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 3: purveyors of public information. They cooperated with police to try 552 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,280 Speaker 3: and find the now infamous killer. 553 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 14: Last February, police Chief Richard Lemonnion ask KKE TV to 554 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 14: run us second picture in one of our news reports 555 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:07,240 Speaker 14: psychologists were hoping BTK would unconsciously detect the subliminal message 556 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 14: and follow its instructions. It's the same principle as splicing 557 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,880 Speaker 14: shots of popcorn into a movie to make the viewer hungry. 558 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 14: Subliminal messages of all kinds are illegal, but Cake was 559 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 14: given special permission by the. 560 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 7: SEC to air the report. And here's what it looked like. 561 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 9: That's the Catherine Bright murder that occurred in April of 562 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 9: seventy four. 563 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 14: When we slow the picture down electronically, you can see 564 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,760 Speaker 14: the subliminal message. The message shown here, still framed, urged 565 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 14: BTK to call the chief. 566 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 11: He did not. 567 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 3: As a journalist, it's a tricky balance when working with 568 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 3: the police. On the one hand, we have to be 569 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 3: purely objective and remain independent from any agency authorities included. 570 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 3: On the other hand, when police need your help to 571 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 3: track down a killer, you feel a certain responsibility to 572 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:02,239 Speaker 3: help them. 573 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 7: We had, for the most part, good relations with the 574 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 7: police department, but in journalism you're always going to rub 575 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 7: knuckles with them at some point, and we did. 576 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 3: This is former Cake TV anchor Larry Hadiberg. 577 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 4: Again. 578 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 7: Anytime we got anything related to BTK, we turned it 579 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 7: over immediately. We would get it, we would photograph it, 580 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 7: we would call a PD and they would have it. 581 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 7: So we turned everything, we had, everything we knew over 582 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 7: to the police department because we wanted to cooperate. I mean, 583 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 7: we're not standing in the way of catching anybody, and 584 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 7: I think it's important for a local television station to 585 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 7: be part of a solution. We tried to work with 586 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 7: them and the FBI and anybody else and at the 587 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 7: same time be professional journalists. There's no manual written on 588 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,360 Speaker 7: how when you become part of the story that you 589 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 7: react to every given situation. You're really flying by the 590 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,399 Speaker 7: seat of your pants and trying to make the right, 591 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 7: most honest decision at every point in time and hoping 592 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 7: you're doing the right thing. 593 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,720 Speaker 3: Following that big news broadcast, a tip line was made public, 594 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 3: and Richard Lemonian says it blew up almost immediately. 595 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 9: When we announced the fact that we did as a 596 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:38,359 Speaker 9: serial killer. We had hundreds, literally hundreds of tips, and 597 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 9: we put additional officers, additional detectives to run every one 598 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 9: of those tips down. 599 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:50,319 Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Dennis Rader was getting scared once again. The overwhelming 600 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 3: attention spooked in so he decided to lay low and 601 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 3: stop sending letters temporarily. Besides, he had other matters to 602 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 3: worry about. His second child and only daughter, Carrie, was 603 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 3: born in nineteen seventy eight. 604 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 8: So I grew up in Wichita, Kansas. We lived in 605 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 8: Park City. It's a small northern suburb of Wichita. It's 606 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 8: about five thousand people. I lived nine houses down from 607 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 8: my mom's parents, Eileen and Palmer dates. 608 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 3: Carrie recently visited the Tenderfoot Studio to talk with Payne Lindsay. 609 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 3: She says she has fond memories of growing up in Wichita. Obviously, 610 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 3: she was unaware of the chaos of the time. She 611 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 3: only knew her father, Dennis as a regular dad. 612 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 8: By the time I was toddling, he would like take 613 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 8: me out gardening. I was three or four. He was 614 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 8: teaching me about all the plants, the vegetables, growing seasons, soil. 615 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 8: Anything Dad was doing I wanted to do. He loved 616 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 8: the outdoors, so he was cool and let me get muddy. 617 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,719 Speaker 8: He had this big, huge, like green gardening book and 618 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 8: in the winter we would like do Burpy's Calloggs, so 619 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 8: we would like pick out seeds and plan. He was 620 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 8: obsessed with gardening when I was little. 621 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 3: But Carrie also remembers peculiar things about Dennis from her childhood. 622 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,800 Speaker 3: For example, he would have these unpredictable bursts of rage 623 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,800 Speaker 3: and anger, and he could never sit still. 624 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 8: My mom would always tell him when we were growing up, 625 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 8: can't you just sit down for five minutes? 626 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 15: You know? 627 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,120 Speaker 8: He always had to be busy, always active. He always 628 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 8: had like the Wichita eagle out, like he was marking 629 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,120 Speaker 8: it with these markings or cutting things out of it, 630 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 8: or he was always messing with something. Later on, he 631 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,839 Speaker 8: would have his stamps out. Saturday nights were sitting down 632 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,320 Speaker 8: to watch a movie. We're popping popcorn and having pop. 633 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 8: Everyone else is just choosing a comfortable chair to watch 634 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 8: a movie. And now he's setting up the card table 635 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 8: to do something like he had to do something. He 636 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 8: couldn't just like relax because he could be controlling and 637 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,839 Speaker 8: angry and verbally abusive at times. I learned early how 638 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 8: to like get him to relax, which was hell well, 639 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 8: like with my mom, she knew how to say, Dennis, 640 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,400 Speaker 8: just go outside to your garden. Why don't you take 641 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 8: the dog for a walker, Why don't you go fishing 642 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 8: this weekend? 643 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 18: How did your mom know when to say that? 644 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,439 Speaker 8: Because he was tight and he was tense. His eyes 645 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 8: would narrow and like he's about to yell, or he 646 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 8: is yelling. He's making your life uncomfortable. Like later we 647 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 8: said it was like walking on inkshells at times with him. 648 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 3: Ironically, Carrie says Dennis was very protective over her and 649 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,719 Speaker 3: her mother. He was obsessed with safety, always worried that 650 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,319 Speaker 3: an intruder might break in and harm them. 651 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 8: He had dead bolts on our front door and our 652 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 8: back door. 653 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,960 Speaker 18: In the kitchen, and why was that. 654 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 8: So he worked for eighty t so I feured he 655 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,320 Speaker 8: was security conscious because he knew about alarm systems. He 656 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 8: knew about people breaking into homes. He was making home 657 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,440 Speaker 8: for more secure with alarm systems. 658 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:58,800 Speaker 18: But what do you think he was protecting you from 659 00:41:59,160 --> 00:41:59,840 Speaker 18: bad guys? 660 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 8: But literally, it's like he's so messed up. It was 661 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 8: almost like he was protecting us from him. But it's 662 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,240 Speaker 8: because he knew how bad people could be. When I'm little, 663 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 8: he's teaching me these things. So you're not supposed to 664 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 8: be telling kids about like home invasions. He's telling me like, well, 665 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,759 Speaker 8: the kitchen door isn't that great? Because the windows too big, 666 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,440 Speaker 8: and somebody can just punch out the glass and then 667 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 8: they can reach in. But if it's dead bolton and 668 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,359 Speaker 8: the key's not in, then they can't get in. They 669 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 8: got to lake jam the door. More so, I'm learning 670 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,799 Speaker 8: this when I'm like little. It it's imprinting because it's 671 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,440 Speaker 8: over and over and over with this man. He's telling 672 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,480 Speaker 8: me when I'm little, don't open the door to strangers. 673 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 8: Question them, make them show you like they're badger. They're 674 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,319 Speaker 8: telling you they're a cop or a maintenance man. Check 675 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,840 Speaker 8: their uniform. He is obsessively trying to keep me safe. 676 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,879 Speaker 18: It seems like, at least from what I'm picking up, 677 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 18: that you sort of look at your dad as two 678 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,240 Speaker 18: different people. So my question is this is kind of weird. 679 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 18: But going back to being like a six year old 680 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:04,840 Speaker 18: hindsight looking back, do you feel like the BTK killer 681 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:06,399 Speaker 18: would have ever harmed you? 682 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:08,080 Speaker 13: I don't know. 683 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 8: That's one of those big questions. Part of my ability 684 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 8: to survive and do what I need to do now 685 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 8: is to compartmentalize. So like with my father, I have 686 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,839 Speaker 8: to put Dad in BTK like day to day now, 687 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,319 Speaker 8: I don't think of my dad as BTK I can 688 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,520 Speaker 8: separate it, or I'm not really even thinking about my dad. 689 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,880 Speaker 8: I'm living my life as a mom and writer and 690 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 8: whatever I'm doing right, My dad's my dad. He could 691 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,360 Speaker 8: be mean and mad, but most of the time ninety 692 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 8: five percent of the time he's like my best friend. 693 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 8: And my brother will say the same thing he was 694 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:41,120 Speaker 8: like his best friend. 695 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 3: While Raider was raising his daughter, he was also planning 696 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,920 Speaker 3: yet another murder. By April of nineteen seventy nine, he 697 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,440 Speaker 3: was still taking classes at Wichita State, and he used 698 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,880 Speaker 3: this as an excuse to his family for late night absence. 699 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 3: One night, he spotted a twenty four year old woman 700 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:09,480 Speaker 3: named Rebecca walking into a nearby house. A few nights later, 701 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,759 Speaker 3: Raider got to work after classes. On the night of 702 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,440 Speaker 3: April twenty eighth, Raider approached the home. Here again are 703 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,520 Speaker 3: his words from the book Confession of a Serial Killer. 704 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 11: I also cut the phone line in my trademark. I 705 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,360 Speaker 11: used tape on the window where I broke in, and 706 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,719 Speaker 11: perhaps a glass cutter, which I now carried in my kit. 707 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 11: Since the house was dark when I came, I thought 708 00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 11: perhaps she was asleep. Further, I saw a car in 709 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,919 Speaker 11: the garage, so I tried a cat burglar approach, going 710 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:49,520 Speaker 11: through the basement window, but the house was empty. 711 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,319 Speaker 3: Raider waited and waited. What he didn't know at the 712 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,240 Speaker 3: time was that this was actually the home of sixty 713 00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,880 Speaker 3: three year old Anna Williams. The young woman named Rebecca 714 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,080 Speaker 3: that he'd seen was her granddaughter. Williams was out square 715 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,879 Speaker 3: dancing on this night and wouldn't be home for quite 716 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:11,600 Speaker 3: a while. Raider busied himself by rumging through her drawers 717 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:16,239 Speaker 3: and stealing various articles of clothing. He claims he scribbled 718 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,480 Speaker 3: something on her bathroom mirror and lipstick, something to the 719 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,359 Speaker 3: effect of bt K was here, though this was never 720 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,480 Speaker 3: confirmed or included in the police report. He laid out 721 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,280 Speaker 3: all of his instruments of murder on the bed to prepare, 722 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,279 Speaker 3: and then he ran out of time. He had to 723 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,320 Speaker 3: get home before his wife became suspicious, so he packed 724 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:46,200 Speaker 3: up and left a failed attempt. Anna Williams returned home 725 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,040 Speaker 3: just after eleven pm to discover that someone had cut 726 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:54,200 Speaker 3: her phone line, stolen some jewelry and clothing, and broken 727 00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,319 Speaker 3: a window. She called the police, who determined it was 728 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:03,120 Speaker 3: just a regular burglary, but weeks later, in June, she 729 00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:08,200 Speaker 3: got a strange package in the mail. It included a 730 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:13,240 Speaker 3: crude drawing of a hogtied woman naked on a bed. 731 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,080 Speaker 3: The package also contained some of the stolen items from 732 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:21,520 Speaker 3: around her home, and scariest of all, it came with 733 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,040 Speaker 3: a handwritten letter. 734 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 11: Twas a perfect plan of deviant pleasure, so bold on 735 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:32,319 Speaker 11: that spring night, my inner felling hot with propension of 736 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:37,880 Speaker 11: the new awakening season, warm, wet with interfere and rapture, 737 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:43,600 Speaker 11: my pleasure of entanglement like new vines at night, Oh Anna, 738 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,920 Speaker 11: why didn't you appear alone? Now? In another time span, 739 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:53,640 Speaker 11: I lay with sweetened rapture garments across most private thought, 740 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:59,080 Speaker 11: bed of spring, moist grass, clean before the sun enslaved 741 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:03,239 Speaker 11: with control. Alone Again, I trod in past memory of 742 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 11: mirrors and ponder why for number eight was not? 743 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:08,880 Speaker 4: Oh? 744 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,680 Speaker 11: And why didn't you appear? 745 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,839 Speaker 3: Next time? On Monster BTK. 746 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,040 Speaker 8: He broke into her house, expecting her to be home 747 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,360 Speaker 8: because her car was there, But she had fond with 748 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,840 Speaker 8: this man. She's not home, so he hides in her closet. 749 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,200 Speaker 3: The body was discovered here at fifty third Street North, 750 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:36,520 Speaker 3: just east of Webb Road. 751 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:41,120 Speaker 9: Before she died, we had a very very close relationship. 752 00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,640 Speaker 7: He killed a woman in his own neighborhood that violated 753 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,919 Speaker 7: his own rules don't kill close to home. 754 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,919 Speaker 9: If he was dead, we knew that we would find 755 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,200 Speaker 9: the trophies sometime, or if he was still alive at 756 00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,200 Speaker 9: some point, he's going to come back. 757 00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,560 Speaker 10: When you have an offender who starts to communicate, I 758 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,480 Speaker 10: want him to communicate with a person affiliated with the 759 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,200 Speaker 10: investigation I called to supercot. 760 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:18,480 Speaker 2: Monster BTK is a production of Tenderfoot TV and iHeart Podcasts. 761 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,719 Speaker 2: The show is written by Nomes Griffin, Trevor Young, and 762 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:28,359 Speaker 2: Jesse Funk. Our host is Susan Peters. Executive producers on 763 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,560 Speaker 2: Behalf of Tenderfoot TV include Donald Albright and Payne Lindsay, 764 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:38,120 Speaker 2: alongside supervising producer Tracy Kaplan. Executive producers on behalf of 765 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:43,719 Speaker 2: iHeart Podcasts include Matt Frederick and Trevor Young, alongside producers 766 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:48,719 Speaker 2: Nomes Griffin and Jesse Funk and supervising Producerrima ilk Ali. 767 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,440 Speaker 2: Marketing support by David Wasserman and Alison Wright at iHeart 768 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:59,360 Speaker 2: Podcasts and Caroline or Agemma at Tenderfoot TV. Auditional research 769 00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:04,480 Speaker 2: by Claude Africa. Original artwork by Kevin Mister. Soul Harp, 770 00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:09,279 Speaker 2: original music by Makeup and Vanity Set. Special thanks to 771 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,880 Speaker 2: Orrin Rosenbaum and the team at UTA and the Nord Group. 772 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,840 Speaker 2: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio and Tenderfoot TV, visit the 773 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:22,080 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your 774 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,560 Speaker 2: favorite shows. Thanks for listening.