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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the whitetail Woods, presented by First Light, creating proven versatile

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Speaker 1: hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First Light

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Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired.

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Speaker 2: To Hunt Podcast.

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Speaker 3: This week on the show, I'm joined by Whitetail Addictions

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Speaker 3: team member Steve Pinkston to discuss the tried and true

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Speaker 3: tactics that he's used to kill mature bucks.

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Speaker 2: Over the last four full decades.

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Speaker 3: All right, welcome back to another episode of the Wired

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Speaker 3: to Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Light in

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Speaker 3: their mission to protect and conserve the future of deer

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Speaker 3: and deer hunting well into the future. So that's something

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty dang happy about. But I'm also happy about

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Speaker 3: the fact that today we have an absolute great podcast

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Speaker 3: for you, perfect for this end of October time period

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Speaker 3: leading into the rut there's a lot of us that

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Speaker 3: are still trying to kill our target bucks, and our

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Speaker 3: guest today is an expert at this. I think that's

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Speaker 3: the big thing that makes Steve Pingston our guests today

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Speaker 3: stand out, is that he is a specialist at killing

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Speaker 3: one or two mature bucks that he's set his sights

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Speaker 3: on for the given year. He knows how to pattern him,

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Speaker 3: he knows how to find them, he knows how to

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Speaker 3: study all the little interesting things about them. So, whether

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Speaker 3: you've got one individual deer, or maybe there's three or

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Speaker 3: four of these different target bucks that you have over

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Speaker 3: across a multitude of different permission properties or across the

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Speaker 3: public land you hunt, or maybe you've got one big

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Speaker 3: farm and there's just a handful of good deer and

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Speaker 3: you're trying to figure this one out. Whether it's the

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Speaker 3: end of October or November or right into the late season.

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Speaker 3: Steve has ideas that can help you get it done

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Speaker 3: right now. And Steve has been doing this for decades.

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Speaker 3: He's not one of these young guns just figured this

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Speaker 3: out in the last five to ten years, which you know,

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Speaker 3: those folks can have good ideas too. But Steve killed

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Speaker 3: figured him out and did it. He did that in

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Speaker 3: nineteen eighty four, and he's been doing it ever since

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Speaker 3: I was born in nineteen eighty seven. Steve has been

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Speaker 3: doing this for more years than I've been alive. So

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Speaker 3: I know that I can learn a lot from him.

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure that you can too. And I'm very

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Speaker 3: excited for our conversation today because we get into all

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Speaker 3: the good stuff topics I've not heard him talk about

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Speaker 3: anywhere else before. We dive deep into his general, high

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Speaker 3: emphasis on seeing things with his own eyes, So how

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Speaker 3: how he uses trail cameras, how he keeps track of

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Speaker 3: all these things, organizes this information, analyzes this information, uses

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Speaker 3: He's after we discuss all of that a whole lot more,

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Speaker 3: and again, this is stuff that can help you right

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Speaker 2: On through the year.

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Speaker 3: So I'm very excited for us to get into it.

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Speaker 3: I will not be labor the point too much longer.

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Speaker 3: Just want to give you a couple very quick heads

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Speaker 3: ups and pointers. Number one, if you haven't seen my

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Speaker 3: film about the Hunt for the Wide nine, going over

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Speaker 3: to the med Eater YouTube channel and to keep on

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Speaker 3: bugging you about that one, it's called the four Year

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Speaker 3: Hunt for the Wide Nine. Very proud of it, hope

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Speaker 3: you enjoy it. Number two, I want to let you

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Speaker 3: know that, in addition to this podcast, hopefully you are

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Speaker 3: aware that they're many other shows across the meat Eater

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Speaker 3: network of podcasts that will probably be right up your alley.

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Speaker 3: Of course, there's the other shows on the Wired to

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Speaker 3: Hunt feed. We've got Foundations with Tony Peterson every Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: He's giving you a quick kind of concentrated dose of

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Speaker 3: Fresh Radio with Casey and Tyler talking to guys all

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Speaker 3: now in the White Tail Woods. So definitely be listening

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Speaker 3: to those. But then we've got a terrific conservation minded

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Speaker 3: to podcast, You've got Media to Trivia, You've got Cutting

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Speaker 3: the Distance with Jason Phelps. You have, of course the

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Speaker 3: Element podcast. You've got Oh gosh, I'm gonna be forgetting

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Speaker 3: you can't forget Bear Grease and all the good stuff

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Speaker 3: that Clay and Brenn are doing. So check out all

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Speaker 3: the podcasts across the meator feed. Whether you want tactics

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Speaker 3: or just some good stories, we've got something for whatever

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Speaker 2: That said, let's get to the show.

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Speaker 3: I do want to take note I did not mention

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Speaker 3: this at the top, but what you should know about Steve,

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Speaker 3: of his hunts over on the lone Wolf Custom Gear

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Speaker 3: YouTube channel. So if you want to learn some more

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Speaker 3: And then also he runs hardcore e cycle so he

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Speaker 3: has an e Byke company, you know, gearing towards hunters

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Speaker 3: that's it for my intro. Let's get to my conversation

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Speaker 3: today with mister Steve Pinkston. All right here with me

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Speaker 3: now on the line is Steve Pinkston. Steve, thank you

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Speaker 3: so much for being here.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me. I've enjoyed listening to you for

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Speaker 4: a few years here. It's fun to be a part.

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Speaker 2: Of this man right back at you.

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Speaker 3: I've gotten to listen to you on a couple shows,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's he's trouble right, but but this is this

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Speaker 3: Would you say that Justin is accurately describing your specialty.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's definitely a fair statement. I'm obsessed with it.

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Speaker 4: When it comes to the passion, my wife think some

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Speaker 4: that's an accurate statement. I mean, I don't know anybody

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Speaker 4: I spend a lot of time, take a lot of

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Speaker 3: I heard you once say that the first deer that

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Speaker 4: There's nineteen eighty four. Actually, I killed that deer in

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Speaker 4: it was frankly a defining moment for me when it

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Speaker 3: So well, we'll tell me about that first buck, that

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Speaker 4: And I'll never forget. I had absolutely no shot at him.

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Speaker 4: I ran traps back in those days, and I was

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Speaker 4: quite a infatuated with trapping as well. I grew up

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Speaker 4: Tom Randa and I grew up together. As a matter

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Speaker 4: just infatuation with me, and it basically ended my infatuation

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Speaker 3: So, so, how did you end up so you couldn't

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Speaker 3: give him that year? He said, two years later, you

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Speaker 4: definitely an issue. It definitely impacts the travel patterns. We

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Speaker 4: Cameras help me keep track as far as that's concerned,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's a perfect segue to where I wanted

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, this buck is really interesting, dear. I've known him

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Speaker 4: I wasn't interested in this buck. I had another buck

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Speaker 4: every single day. He's walking in there every single day

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Speaker 4: we get a picture of him again, and the next

434
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 4: day he's got new antlers. So these handlers have to

435
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 4: be somewhere close. Clint went one way with his daughter.

436
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 4: I took my property, and with that way, I put

437
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 4: twenty four logged miles on Onyx and I never found

438
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,239
Speaker 4: either one of those antlers, and neither today and to

439
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 4: this day we don't. And I don't know where that

440
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 4: deer shed. Just an interesting buck. But but the phenomena

441
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 4: of cell cameras, I believe, is becoming something that is

442
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 4: that's going to be impacting pretty soon. I think, I

443
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 4: don't know if it's genetically, they're starting to pass down

444
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 4: that you know, there's whatever that whatever's bothered them, the

445
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 4: cell waves. Andre and I Andrea cost I've had this

446
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 4: conversation many times. He's a firm believer that that cell

447
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,919
Speaker 4: cameras put off something that that some deer you know,

448
00:22:58,080 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 4: don't care for.

449
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 5: And I'm I'm only I'm a total believer at this point.

450
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 2: Interesting.

451
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 3: Interesting, So you know this year it was a one

452
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 3: hunt and you went in and you killed him because

453
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 3: he showed you he was there earlier than usual. Was

454
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 3: there anything from the previous two seasons with him that

455
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 3: gave you the information you needed or that helped it all.

456
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 4: This year, everything the information that learned about this year

457
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 4: in the last three seasons is what got him shocked.

458
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 2: So can you.

459
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 3: Describe those key things that ended up being the puzzle

460
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 3: pieces that mattered this year?

461
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 4: Sure, the vetting area that he ended up using that

462
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,959
Speaker 4: day was a betting area that he developed a liking

463
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 4: to because it's really really tight in there. You couldn't

464
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 4: approach him from any direction, okay without a perfect wind.

465
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,479
Speaker 4: I had to have a northwest wind to do anything

466
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 4: with that deer in that location. And when the morning

467
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 4: he showed up there, he's not going anywhere From eight

468
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 4: thirty in the morning, it's well daylight for two hours,

469
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 4: and he's not about to get out of there. He's

470
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 4: not the kind of buck. He's seven year old deer.

471
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 4: He's not going to go walking across the wide open

472
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 4: to go back to his betting area. So I knew

473
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 4: he would be there, But that comes from watching him

474
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 4: for the last three years. I have pictures of him

475
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 4: in both the beanfields. This little betting area is kind

476
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 4: of a triangular funnel between two beanfields and last year,

477
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 4: it got a little more complicated because the area got

478
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 4: developed between my neighbor Clint's property and mine, so there

479
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 4: was a break there in the cover. He had to

480
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 4: get there another way, So I ended up figuring out

481
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 4: that he was coming on the other side of the road.

482
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 4: He would come up and then cross the road at

483
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 4: night to get in where I'm at. And whenever he'd

484
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 4: show up where I'm at, he's going to be there

485
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 4: for the day because he's not moving through there any

486
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 4: other way. But it was food and bedding that moved

487
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 4: him here and to where I killed him. Only only

488
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 4: whenever the food and bedding where he was living was

489
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 4: either pressured because it was a it was a base

490
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 4: camp leasing piece of property that he was on, and

491
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 4: those guys there were a couple of guys from Michigan

492
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 4: that were hunting it, and when when I noticed their

493
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 4: trailer showing up, this book would show up someplace else,

494
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 4: you know, where I could see him. But I could

495
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 4: take his picture in the summertime and follow him in

496
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 4: the summertime to know where he lived, and then developed

497
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 4: a pattern as to where he was going to go to.

498
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 4: As November approached this year, he just made the move

499
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 4: really early in October. Now, who knows if he stayed

500
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 4: there and not. He just didn't get a chance to

501
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 4: because I was in a situation where I could react,

502
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 4: which is pretty much my game plan.

503
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 2: Now.

504
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 3: A lot of folks would point to summer behavior and say, well,

505
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 3: that's not very relevant once you get later into October,

506
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 3: because a lot of these deer shift home ranges, they're

507
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 3: on different food sources, their bachelor groups have broken up,

508
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera.

509
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 4: That's right.

510
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: How do you take.

511
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 3: Info that you picked up in the summer from watching

512
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 3: these deer feeding in the summer evenings? How and how

513
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 3: much of that and how do you make that useful

514
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 3: even in October or November.

515
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 4: Well, with me, in my situation, I watch that transition happen.

516
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 4: I'm literally, I don't this is not something I start

517
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 4: in October. I'm literally in the bean deals when they

518
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 4: start to get this tall and the deer start to

519
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 4: love them. I'm starting to watch them then, and I'm

520
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 4: watching where they're coming from. I'm paying close attention on

521
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 4: a daily basis, and if not on a daily basis,

522
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 4: at least every three or four or five days. I mean,

523
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 4: I run a lot of times with the camera. I mean,

524
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 4: I take pictures. I love to take pictures, and it's

525
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 4: become a real infatuation with me. But that will allow

526
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 4: me to keep track of the deer. And that's in

527
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 4: that the last five or six bucks that I've killed

528
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 4: over the last couple of years has been has been

529
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 4: because of that. I mean, I literally have a file

530
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 4: that I keep on the different tier that I think

531
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 4: I may have an interest in, and by the end

532
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,719
Speaker 4: of the end of the summer season, what I call

533
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 4: velvet season, I'll pick what I'm going to chase. So

534
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 4: this particular year was was good, one of the better

535
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 4: years in the past five or six years. Frankly, I

536
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 4: had three bucks I was interested in, right.

537
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 3: And so then you can how long do you continue

538
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 3: this almost every night long distance glass and that keeps

539
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 3: on going right through September up until the season starts, right,

540
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 3: and then and then A is that correct? And then

541
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 3: B when the season opens? Are you continuing to just

542
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 3: keep on doing that until you get these little moments

543
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 3: where you realize I can strike or how do you

544
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 3: approach that?

545
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 4: Well, that's a great question. It's probably difficult to believe,

546
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 4: but yes, it doesn't I'm on them all the time,

547
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 4: afternoons and mornings when it gets closer, like we just

548
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 4: had a real cold front come in. I don't have

549
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 4: a tag, and I'm up this morning at daylight watching

550
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 4: a beanfield that just recently got cut to see if

551
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 4: there's one particular deer I have an interest in, and

552
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 4: at this point is sheds. And I have a guest

553
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 4: coming in later on the season that I might try

554
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 4: to help to help them with as well. But no,

555
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 4: it doesn't stop. And whenever I make a move and

556
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 4: to hang a tree stand, I'm doing it for a

557
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 4: different reason than what I did fifteen years ago. You know,

558
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 4: fifteen years ago you hung a tree stand and you

559
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 4: went in it and you were hoping you were going

560
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 4: to see what you were after. I mean, I hang

561
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 4: a tree stand now because I saw something the last

562
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 4: couple of days, either with my camera personally with my

563
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 4: camera or with a trail camera that tells me where

564
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 4: I need to be. And I'm very focused on each

565
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 4: move that I make when it comes to that, because

566
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,719
Speaker 4: the type of deer don't they don't tolerate a lot

567
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 4: of pressure, so you have to be pretty precise. And

568
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 4: I'm also dealing with a lot of deer. So most

569
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 4: of the time I'm trying to put myself in a

570
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 4: position where I'm going to get winded the least amount

571
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 4: of times before my target shows up.

572
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: That makes sense sense, it does? So how do you

573
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: pull that off? Though?

574
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 3: In season when I gotta believe maybe there's some spots

575
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 3: he can go where you're on the road and you're

576
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 3: far from where this deer are. But but I'm wondering

577
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 3: maybe sometimes to get into where these are, where this

578
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 3: deer are, to see them, you have to kind of

579
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 3: get in there a little bit. How do you manage that,

580
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 3: if at all, to maintain low pressure but still see

581
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 3: what you need to see.

582
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 4: Well, if I'm on the road, it's a I'm going

583
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 4: to just figure it out. I'm going to jump in there.

584
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 4: If I bust them, I bust them. A lot of

585
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 4: people believe that, you know, you bust a deer and

586
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 4: they leave the county. I'm not that guy. I don't

587
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 4: believe they if you pressure them over and over again,

588
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 4: you'll make a move. But I believe that you've got

589
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 4: plenty of any of leeway when it comes to that,

590
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 4: and you try to be smart about it by approaching

591
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 4: where you can all the tools that we have today,

592
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 4: I mean, with the maps that we have on these phones.

593
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 4: It's just amazing. Like I said, I'm jealous that I'm

594
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,479
Speaker 4: old as old as I am and I don't have

595
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 4: as many years to chase them as as these young

596
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 4: guys do with all this great you know, these great tools.

597
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 4: But here at home, Mark, I know the farms. I

598
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 4: know the farms I'm hunting. I've been hunting some of

599
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 4: these farms for twenty plus years, and I know how

600
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 4: to move around them where the deer are going to

601
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 4: tolerate my movement. You know that I'm not a threat

602
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 4: at those situations. And when I do move in to

603
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 4: hang a tree stand, by the time they figure that out,

604
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 4: hopefully I've got a shot at the target. I'm trying

605
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 4: to get.

606
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,239
Speaker 2: So so so question about this.

607
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 3: That's I'm going to use a personal example of mind

608
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 3: to see what you would do in a situation where

609
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 3: where I'm kind of trying to do something similar to

610
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 3: what you do, and that I'm trying to observe, learn

611
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 3: and collect data and then strike at the right moment.

612
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 3: But right now, my observations and my intel is not

613
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 3: getting me what I need so I have two bucks

614
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 3: on a particular set of properties that coming into the

615
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 3: coming into the fall, I was interested in targeting. One

616
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 3: of them disappeared on September third. I haven't gotten pictures

617
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 3: of him or seen him since the second one. I

618
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 3: have not gotten pictures of or seen since October fourth,

619
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 3: so just about eleven days since I last saw him

620
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 3: or go out pictures of him. And he used to

621
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 3: be quite active. I've been out glassing a number of nights.

622
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 3: I hunted the first two nights of the season and

623
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 3: then have glassed a handful of other nights in addition

624
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 3: to that, in spots where I can see a decent,

625
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 3: decent area, I've got cell cameras running throughout his property

626
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 3: hoping to get sign of him, hoping to get something

627
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 3: that's going to give me an indication of whether or

628
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 3: not I should strike or how I should strike. Now,

629
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 3: all that said, haven't got what. I haven't seen what

630
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 3: I've wanted to see. We have a cold front that's

631
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: pushed through right now. It is October. It's mid October

632
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 3: when we're talking right now, and I kind of wanted

633
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 3: to take a strike at him, but I haven't seen

634
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 3: them in eleven days with glass or with cameras, and

635
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 3: I'm starting to wonder is he doing something different than

636
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 3: usual or is he even alive? And so tonight I

637
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 3: was playing hunting. I am gonna hunt. But the thought

638
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 3: has been, do I push into an area of the

639
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 3: farm that I don't have eyes on yet that I've

640
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 3: not been able to see with my long distance glassing?

641
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 3: But would be more aggressive? And would you know, potentially

642
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 3: you know, educate more dear about my presence. Or do

643
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 3: I stick to like an exterior stand where I can

644
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 3: see a decent bit. It's very safe to get to,

645
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 3: it's very safe to get out of. But the downside

646
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 3: to it is that I wouldn't be able to see

647
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 3: as much new stuff. I would see some new stuff,

648
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 3: but a lot of it I could see from the

649
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 3: old when I've been glassing.

650
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 4: Thoughts on that, Well, what you're doing at this point

651
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 4: in time from from me listening to you is not working.

652
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 4: You're not seeing him. He's not showing up on any

653
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 4: of your cameras. So you need to do something different.

654
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 4: You need you need to obviously be smart with the wind, okay,

655
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 4: but put yourself in a position where you can see more. Now,

656
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 4: what what what that means on your property. I would

657
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 4: have to know, you know, where where the food is,

658
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 4: where the acorns are, like right now, the acorns are

659
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 4: a huge factor here. I mean they're an enormous factor here.

660
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 4: I was just telling justin you know, the other day

661
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 4: with the deer that they were keen highly on acorns.

662
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 4: He shot that deer, you know right there where those

663
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 4: deer were just going to that hot tree. Now where

664
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 4: we're at right now, all the trees are hot. We

665
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 4: had a very dry year and acorns are literally dropping.

666
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 4: You can get hit in the head, you know, hanging

667
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 4: right now in the woods here. So acorns are probably

668
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 4: a factor and what you're dealing with with your with

669
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 4: your deer, but you have to change what you're doing.

670
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 4: You can sit back if you want, but if you

671
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 4: wait another two weeks, your neighbor's going to kill your

672
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 4: deer if he's still alive.

673
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 2: Of course, there's a point.

674
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 4: It's exactly what you just described. It was a few

675
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 4: years ago a buck that I had three sets of

676
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 4: sheds too, and was committed to that particular deer, and

677
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 4: he just went missing, just totally went missing. And I'm like,

678
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 4: what the hell happened? I was able to see this deer.

679
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 4: You know pretty much what I wanted. I love to

680
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 4: I live with a spotting scope in my face, and

681
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 4: I just couldn't get it done. And Mark literally one afternoon,

682
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 4: I'm like, what am I doing here? I'm sitting in

683
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 4: my truck or I'm on my bike, sitting on you know,

684
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 4: a place watching. I've been doing this for six nights

685
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 4: and I'm not seeing him. I got to do something different.

686
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 4: I literally threw a stand on my back and I

687
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 4: rolled in there. And I'm hard to believe. I mean,

688
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 4: when when a plan comes together, It really wasn't a

689
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 4: plan to kill the deer. It was a plan to

690
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 4: find the deer. But I went in and I positioned

691
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 4: myself where I could see or I couldn't see before, Okay,

692
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 4: and it and literally at go time, I looked to

693
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 4: my right and he's walking toward me. I mean, and

694
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 4: I shot that there at eight yards. But my whole

695
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 4: point is if you don't change what you're doing, you're

696
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 4: gonna get the same results. Now, you may get away

697
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 4: with it. You may very well get away with it

698
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 4: and just stay patient, but you know what your neighbors are,

699
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 4: and you know I could not afford to do that.

700
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 4: In my situation I have, I'm surrounded with corn piles,

701
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 4: and if I don't do something, I mean, I'm gonna

702
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 4: be regretting not doing something. So I make a move. Now,

703
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,479
Speaker 4: how aggressive you are is going to depend on how

704
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,439
Speaker 4: how your property lays out. But I love to put

705
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 4: myself in positions where I can see so great advice.

706
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 4: That's what I would do.

707
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 3: You brought the acorn thing, which reminded me of something

708
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 3: else I heard you say once, which was that in

709
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 3: correct me?

710
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: If if I've got this.

711
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 3: Wrong, but I think I remember you saying that if

712
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 3: you had to choose, you would rather know what they

713
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 3: want to feed on right now, like the food source

714
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 3: is more important to you than the betting area when

715
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 3: trying to kill a buck?

716
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: Is that right?

717
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 3: And if so, can you just elaborate on that a

718
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: little bit?

719
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 4: Oh, it's no, it's hugely important. With my style, I

720
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 4: do not penetrate betting areas very often at all, if

721
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 4: if ever, truthfully, if I'm on the road, I mean,

722
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 4: I may do it to figure out what's going on

723
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 4: in an area, but I stay away from betting areas

724
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 4: because that's a that's a dependable thing in the properties

725
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 4: that I'm on. The food source is something that you

726
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 4: can visit when they're not there, okay, and and and

727
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 4: get away with it. It's not often that you're going

728
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 4: to get away with especially in season, getting into a

729
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 4: betting area without a big deer knowing you've been there,

730
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 4: and a lot of guys you know will hunt the

731
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 4: betting areas. You better get it done. You just better

732
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 4: get it done when you're when you're in there. I

733
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 4: don't like my odds on that. Now. If I have

734
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 4: to do that, if I'm on the road or whatever,

735
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 4: I would probably pursue that. But the food is everything

736
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 4: to me. I pay much more attention to the food

737
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 4: obviously before November. Okay, once November rolls around, then you're

738
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 4: paying attention to where the does are feeding, okay, and

739
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 4: then where the boys will follow. But but yeah, that's

740
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 4: an impacting thing for me. Is acorns are very dependable.

741
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 4: If you've got a farm that has limited oaks, man,

742
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 4: oh man, that's narrowing it down, really narrowing it down.

743
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 3: So do you ever get out and walk some of

744
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 3: these areas to determine where those hot oak trees are?

745
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 3: Or are you determining most of this from spots you

746
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 3: can glass from afar and just zeroing in based on

747
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 3: using your glass.

748
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 4: No, no, I watch with the glasses from a distance.

749
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 4: And then once we start to get close, and you know,

750
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 4: it's always before the season comes in here that you

751
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 4: can get in and you can look at your oak trees.

752
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 4: Matter of fact, I got a whole phone full of

753
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 4: pictures of them, you know, kind of get an idea

754
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 4: of which trees are going to be dropping first, where

755
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 4: my white oaks are and uh and in the in

756
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 4: years of history, you know, tells me which ones they like. Uh.

757
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 4: And unfortunately they don't always you know, one oak won't

758
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 4: always have acorns every year. Some of them go one, two,

759
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 4: three years without them. And fortunately you're and recently we've

760
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 4: had repetitious years of good acorn crops. But which has

761
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 4: helped me keep deer in uh in the farms that

762
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 4: I'm on. But yeah, I get right in there to

763
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 4: find out what if they're falling.

764
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 3: Okay, something I'm curious about. As I listened to you

765
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 3: describe you know, how you're doing this, I got to wonder,

766
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 3: do you have a rough guestimate of what percent of

767
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 3: your available sits so like like an evening or morning

768
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 3: that you can go out. What percent of those are

769
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 3: just glassing like observing versus actually getting in a tree

770
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 3: stand and hunting.

771
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 4: Well, if I'm getting in a tree stand and hunting,

772
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 4: I've seen something that is triggering me to get there.

773
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 4: So I guess I'm gonna try to answer you this way.

774
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 4: I'm scouting every day, every day. It's one of many

775
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 4: properties that I have access to. Sometimes I'm visiting multiple

776
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 4: properties at different times because I've got a history with deer.

777
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 4: But for me, scouting is way more than hunting. You know,

778
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 4: I'm making a specific move when I'm hunting and when

779
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 4: I'm hanging a tree stand and hunting night. I can't

780
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 4: struss enough that the difference between now and fifteen years

781
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,919
Speaker 4: ago or whatever. My expectations when I hang a tree

782
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 4: stand are so much higher, and it's just based upon

783
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 4: what I've observed. And I don't think I'm anything special

784
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 4: when it comes to that. I can observe something just

785
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 4: the same as anybody else can. I'm just doing it

786
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 4: more often than most guys are. And you know, guys

787
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 4: get a kick out of me when it comes to that.

788
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm out, I try to make it every day.

789
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 4: I try to make it every day. That's it's a

790
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 4: it's it's a passion, and it's you know, I'm looking

791
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 4: now for the next two years, two years out. You know,

792
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 4: I don't have a tag for Ohio, so I'm trying

793
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 4: to figure out what's who's gonna make it.

794
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 2: I love it.

795
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 3: See it sounds like ninety seven percent of your available

796
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 3: days you're glassing, observing, scouting, and then maybe three percent

797
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 3: actual intry stay in hunting or something like that.

798
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: Right, it's dramatically more.

799
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 4: I couldn't give you an accurate statement on that, but

800
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 4: I I'd say that's fair. I mean, my my dashboard's

801
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 4: got two sets of binoculars on it, and right next

802
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 4: to my passenger seat is a spotting scope, and I've

803
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 4: got a tripod in there, and I carry my camera

804
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 4: and and I unload that crap every night and loaded

805
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 4: every day. I mean, it's it's just it is it.

806
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 4: It's it's what I do, and my business, you know,

807
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 4: what I'm in now allows me to have some of

808
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 4: that time. You know, I'm in the kind of I'm

809
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 4: in the hunting business now with the with the bikes

810
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 4: and the batteries, and and and it allows me to

811
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 4: have that kind of time and talk to guys like

812
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 4: us all day too, which is pretty cool.

813
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: That's incredible.

814
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: Now, I know you also, you've talked about it, and

815
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 3: I've heard you talk in other places about how you

816
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 3: use cameras to supplement those observations. Is there anything you're

817
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 3: doing unique when it comes to the cameras that's helping

818
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 3: you drill down these patterns with these deer? Well, I

819
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 3: guess what I'm getting is what's the Steve you know,

820
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 3: what's the Steve Pinkston approach to using cameras to learn

821
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 3: these individual deer?

822
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 4: Well, I guess I can tell you one factor that

823
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 4: came into play this year. For example, I mean, everybody's

824
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 4: using corn piles, you know. And a few years back,

825
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 4: for example, one of the bucks that I was able

826
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 4: to tag, he got past me the first night when

827
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 4: it was I had my I was very cocky. I

828
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 4: was going in there to kill that deer, and I

829
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 4: had my big camera with me, and I had it

830
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 4: hung up next to me because there were several other

831
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 4: bucks in there, and I was going to take some

832
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 4: pictures of the other bucks, and I was going to

833
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 4: shoot this other deer when he showed up when he

834
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 4: came through the gap in front of me, and I

835
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 4: literally was stuck with my camera and I was taking

836
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 4: pictures of this one buck and I heard something off

837
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 4: to my left side and it was the big deer

838
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 4: that I was chasing, and he actually got through the

839
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 4: gap on me and went off to and got away

840
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 4: from me. That night, I was pretty disappointed to myself,

841
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 4: you know, I made that move and I had to

842
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 4: get out of there now. Well, the next day, where

843
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 4: he came through that gap, I put a little pile

844
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 4: of this I can't even remember the name of it,

845
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 4: but it had a notre to it, okay, And I

846
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 4: needed to stop him right there, and I dropped a

847
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 4: little pile of that stuff right there, And man, did

848
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 4: that ever do the job for? It? Was just something different,

849
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 4: is what I'm getting at. Now. I've taken that same

850
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 4: thing I learned that year and used with my cameras.

851
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 4: I don't just put corn out there. I throw a

852
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 4: trophy rock out there, and I'll take other stuff that

853
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 4: has different that maybe my guys around me aren't using.

854
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 4: And I have found that to draw more attention to

855
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 4: those cameras and maybe even keep deer closer on my properties.

856
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,439
Speaker 4: I don't know, I'm convinced. I don't know if it's

857
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 4: real or not. But like this year, for example, I

858
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 4: stopped at a at a guy's got apples up here,

859
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 4: and he happened to have a bunch of pears, and

860
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 4: I got the pears and I threw the pears out.

861
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 4: I don't use apples very often because coyotes really pick

862
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 4: up those apples. But anyway, this one buck I could

863
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 4: see on my camera he really liked those pears. And

864
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 4: I'm in tractor supply here one time, about two weeks ago,

865
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 4: and there's this bag of pear dust and I'm like,

866
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 4: that's interesting. So I bought it and I threw that

867
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 4: pear dust around his corn. Holy smoke, I mean the

868
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 4: activity around that camera just tripled. I mean it was

869
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 4: absolutely it was amazing. So I started throwing it around

870
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 4: some of the other cameras try sake. I had deer

871
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 4: all over that. But the interesting thing is my point

872
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 4: is I just change it up every now and then

873
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 4: when it comes to the camera aspect of it, now

874
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 4: I do the same. I'll do scrape cameras as well.

875
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 4: And I've got some areas that I know are travel

876
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 4: corridors that I do card cameras on, and I'll go

877
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 4: pull those every two or three weeks and take a

878
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 4: look and see if I'm right on my guests. But

879
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 4: all of it comes together, comes together as you evaluate it.

880
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 4: Does that make sense?

881
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? It does.

882
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 3: And that brings me to the real trick I think

883
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 3: for a lot of us, which is how you document

884
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: and then how you actually analyze all this information gather.

885
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 3: So I guess number one question. You're going out every

886
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 3: day and watching these deer. You've got cameras running all

887
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 3: over the place, You've got thousands of trail camera pictures.

888
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 3: How do you actually keep track of all this stuff

889
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 3: and organize all this information? Do you have a journal

890
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 3: where you write down what you see every day? Do

891
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 3: you have a spreadsheet? Do you have notes? Do you

892
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 3: have any way to keep track of it so you

893
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 3: can look back on an individual deer? And then also

894
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,439
Speaker 3: do you do anything like that with pictures like trail

895
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 3: camera pictures.

896
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 4: I used to organize my trail camera pictures. It got

897
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 4: to the point where it's just too many. Okay, So

898
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 4: I and a friend of mine made a comment online

899
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 4: here a couple of months ago about him taking pictures

900
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 4: of specific pictures in his phone. I now do that.

901
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 4: I took that, took that little trick out of his

902
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 4: playbook and I and I do that. I organized that

903
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 4: in my in my picture files. I do keep a

904
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 4: written journal on every deer that I'm interested in. When

905
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 4: they when they make key changes, when something happens, you know,

906
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 4: they show up at a different area. I write it down.

907
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 4: I write the date, I write the wind, and I

908
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 4: pay close attention to that stuff and I use it.

909
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 4: I pay the buck I killed this year. I mean,

910
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 4: he should never have been where he was. That's just

911
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 4: totally out of character for that deer. That would have

912
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 4: been if it wasn't in season, I'd have been writing

913
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 4: that down. You know. Since it was in season, I

914
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 4: was able to. I was prepared to make a move

915
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 4: and rolled in there and made that different behavior count.

916
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 4: And I do. I write that stuff down all the time,

917
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 4: and I reference it. So how do you do it

918
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,479
Speaker 4: all deer? I only do it do on deer ometric today.

919
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 4: It's got to the point where it's too monotonous.

920
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense.

921
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,439
Speaker 3: So when you're when you're sitting down trying to think

922
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 3: through when to take a strike or how to take

923
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 3: a strike at a given deer, And you have several

924
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 3: years worth of journal entries of this deer doing different things,

925
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 3: and you've probably got hundreds of camera photos trail camera photos,

926
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 3: and you're sitting there trying to make sense of it all.

927
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 3: It's like you've got like a puzzle, a whole set

928
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 3: of puzzle pieces out in front of you, and you've

929
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 3: got to make sense of it. How do you go

930
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 3: about trying to make sense of it? And what matters

931
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 3: to you? You know, with some people, they just want

932
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 3: to see, like what did the deer do yesterday? And

933
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 3: I'm going to try to go see him do the

934
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 3: same thing. And then there's other people that try to

935
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,439
Speaker 3: tie the wind direction when he moved in daylight last year,

936
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 3: and the time of the year when he moved last year,

937
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 3: or what was the barometric pressure and the weather like

938
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 3: on this day that he daylighted last year? And when

939
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 3: will I get the same conditions today and I'll hunt

940
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 3: him on that day?

941
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 2: You know, how how deep do you get with it

942
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: on that front.

943
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,919
Speaker 4: Mark that that's a lot right there, what you just said,

944
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 4: I mean as a whole bootloa and some of the

945
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 4: stuff I could catch real quick that I would that

946
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 4: do key for me. You know, weather changes. I pay

947
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 4: very close attention to the moon. I pay the attention

948
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 4: to the moon rise and to the moon set. The

949
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 4: moon rise is very important to me. However, it's not

950
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 4: a not a huge factor unless it coincides with a

951
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 4: weather event. When it coincides with a weather event, it

952
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 4: makes I mean, I change plans to be where I

953
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 4: think I need to be when that particular thing happens.

954
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 4: Barometric pressure is typically that's cold front. That's the weather

955
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 4: factor that I'm that I'm that we're talking about. I

956
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 4: don't give wind direction as much credit as a lot

957
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 4: of people do. And the reason I don't is because

958
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 4: I have watched years, in years, I've watched deer behave

959
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 4: with the wind to their butt. Okay, I've watched it happen.

960
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 4: I mean, they say big deer only move into the wind.

961
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 4: That's not that's just not true. It's just it's not

962
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 4: even close to accurate. Now, if you're in a highly

963
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 4: pressured area, maybe that's more so true. But just consider

964
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 4: trying to live your life. You know, only go in

965
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 4: the direction that the wind works for you. That just

966
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 4: doesn't make any sense.

967
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 3: To me going around circles.

968
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 4: Just I mean that's that I'm going to live in

969
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 4: a box, so to speak. But the factors on farms

970
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 4: that I know, Okay, I don't do the maps anymore

971
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 4: as far as that's concerned. I know those properties like

972
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 4: the back of my hand. When I see something happen,

973
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 4: I typically already have seen that over the years, and

974
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 4: I know where I need to be. I might even

975
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 4: know a specific tree. I don't leave stands in trees

976
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 4: a mobile hunter. I carry a stand with me, either

977
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 4: on my bike or whatever, and and I hang where

978
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 4: I need to be. Now do I prepare trees? Absolutely?

979
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 4: I mean I'm in there and you know, throughout the summer,

980
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 4: I'll take you know, my wife got me one of

981
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 4: these battery powered pruners. Man, best investment I've ever had.

982
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 4: Things awesome. It'll literally cut a limbit's big around to snap,

983
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 4: and I carry that with me. It's it's on my

984
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 4: bike when I'm in there, and I'll and I'll shape

985
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 4: some stuff up. And that's the planning that I do.

986
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 4: I know I'm going to be in this area if

987
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 4: this happens, if this certain thing happens, I'm going to

988
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 4: be here, and I'm going to try to have as

989
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 4: best of a shot opportunity as I can have, because

990
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 4: my style of hunting doesn't allow me to prune trees.

991
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 4: Whenever I get entry, I deal with the shot that

992
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 4: I've got, and that's a downside, But the asset from

993
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 4: that is way more important than the downside. The surprise

994
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 4: factor of being there right then the first time. I mean,

995
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 4: I may not have a perfect shooting lane, but if

996
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 4: I if I'm patient long enough, I'll probably get that.

997
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

998
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'll ask you a follow up.

999
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 3: One of the when it comes to knowing when to

1000
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 3: strike and a discussion of you know, when do you

1001
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 3: actually go in for the kill. Justin and I were

1002
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 3: actually talking earlier this year. I think about how both

1003
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 3: of us have fallen prey to chasing cell camera pictures

1004
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 3: where we would be waiting and watching and waiting watching,

1005
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 3: and then we get a daylight picture of him yesterday,

1006
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 3: and then we try to go right in there the

1007
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 3: next day and kill him, and then you end up

1008
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 3: chasing your tail because you're a day behind him all

1009
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 3: the time. What's your thoughts on that and whether or

1010
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 3: not a daylight sighting yesterday or a daylight camera picture

1011
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 3: of him yesterday is something that you absolutely should chase

1012
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 3: and go to today or not.

1013
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 4: I don't chase him. It's something that I even had

1014
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 4: that conversation with Justin as far as that's concerned, that

1015
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 4: that information doesn't necessarily mean it's going to happen again,

1016
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 4: and you don't know what the circumstances were because you

1017
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 4: weren't there unless you had Now he likes to use video,

1018
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 4: and that's pretty helpful, but I would much if I'm

1019
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 4: going to make a move, I make it off of

1020
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 4: what I see now a trail camera picture this morning. Okay,

1021
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 4: like just what just happened to me this year. That's different.

1022
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 4: I mean, that's totally different. That's real time. I'm looking

1023
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 4: at my phone. I'm going I know where I'm going

1024
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 4: to be in about four hours. I mean, that is

1025
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 4: the unfairness of a cell camera, so to speak, if

1026
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 4: that's the way you want to look at it. But

1027
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 4: yesterday's information is yesterday's information to me. Now, if there's

1028
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 4: a reason for him to be there, like he likes

1029
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 4: that oak, or he likes that he uses that travel

1030
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 4: corridor to get where he's going, that's a whole different story.

1031
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 4: I'll make the move based upon that, for sure, but

1032
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 4: I'm not going to what would I do on a

1033
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 4: camera picture that I got yesterday or the day before

1034
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 4: or whatever.

1035
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 3: Okay, that's helpful, So how about this scenario. Then, Let's

1036
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 3: say you, Let's say you see a deer with your

1037
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 3: own eyes do something. And I know you're not usually

1038
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 3: hunting unless you actually have a really strong reason behinting.

1039
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 3: So let's say you're observing from an observation post of

1040
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 3: some kind, you see your target buck do something. Can

1041
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 3: you just walk me through what all you're paying attention

1042
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 3: to and thinking about as you watch that deer, because

1043
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 3: I'm sure you're trying to pick some key piece of

1044
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 3: information from this observation, and then discuss for me how

1045
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 3: you would go about deciding whether or not you'll hunt

1046
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 3: him tomorrow and how you would go about that.

1047
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 4: Well, there's where I do take some factors into play.

1048
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 4: I'll play I'll look at it look like not this

1049
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 4: year's deer, but last year, the year before that, and

1050
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 4: the year before that. I watched with my spotting scope,

1051
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 4: and the deer made the same generalized, generalized move for

1052
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 4: three nights in a row before the seasons came in

1053
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,280
Speaker 4: and I was able to put myself where I needed

1054
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 4: to be. Last year was opening day. The year before that,

1055
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 4: it was like the third or fourth day of the season.

1056
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 4: A year before that it was like the fourth or

1057
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 4: fifth day of the season. It's worked well for me

1058
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:24,720
Speaker 4: to watch and then make a reactive move from that. Now,

1059
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 4: like last year, for example, we had like three days

1060
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 4: of the exact same unusual wind for us this time

1061
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 4: of year. It was a northeast wind, and I was

1062
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 4: pretty cocky, Mark. I'll tell you that I was absolutely,

1063
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 4: very very confident. I rolled in there at two o'clock.

1064
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 4: I hung that tree stand and I totally expected to

1065
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 4: kill him right behind me walking to my food plot,

1066
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 4: and I had a northeast wind. Let's just say it's

1067
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 4: going this way, because that's what I was doing. Is

1068
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 4: I was facing this way, and that deer was coming

1069
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 4: out off to my right and walking across my food

1070
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 4: plot to get to a standing cornfield, and I positioned

1071
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 4: my tree to catch him walking through my food plots. Okay, well,

1072
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,439
Speaker 4: what I didn't know is he was coming from this

1073
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 4: direction and he was walking there, and he was hooking

1074
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 4: and going back in, and I thought I was beat

1075
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 4: I thought he'd beat me fair and square. I literally,

1076
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 4: when I looked off to my left and I saw him,

1077
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 4: I didn't even reach for my bove. I literally just

1078
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 4: I leaned back against the tree and I said, you've

1079
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 4: been you've been smoked. You've been smoked. And the thermals

1080
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 4: protected me right then, and he ended up getting in

1081
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 4: front of me and I shot him right there. So

1082
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 4: I can act like I still knew what I was doing,

1083
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 4: But the truth of the matter was he where I

1084
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 4: thought he was coming from this way, he was actually

1085
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 4: button hooking and coming into that food plot from that

1086
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 4: other direction. So my whole point is I made the

1087
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 4: move from what I could see, but I got lucky

1088
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 4: from what I could not see. So you know, I'll

1089
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 4: take a little luck anytime I can get it. But

1090
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 4: when I guarantee you that evening he was going to

1091
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,280
Speaker 4: do the same thing he that I had just watched

1092
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 4: him do, does that make sense. I mean, I've just

1093
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 4: watched him from four hundred yards do that three nights

1094
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 4: in a row on that wound, so I'm pretty confident

1095
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 4: where he's going. I just didn't know the whole story,

1096
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 4: and I got lucky.

1097
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, So how long do you think that these observations

1098
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 3: that lead to a pattern which lead to you striking

1099
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 3: how long does that hold true? At what point in

1100
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 3: the calendar do you start thinking, Eh, you know, he's

1101
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 3: probably you know, what I saw him do last night

1102
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 3: or the last two nights very well might be different

1103
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 3: the next day. I'm wondering if you know, once you

1104
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 3: get into November, if that changes in your mind or

1105
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 3: when that when that is for you absolutely.

1106
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 4: All through, Like if you come in in September, you

1107
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 4: can put it in the bank all through pretty much

1108
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 4: what everybody calls the October lull, you can. You can

1109
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 4: put it in the bank. They're they're there. Once they

1110
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 4: start to get the itch, you get this cold front

1111
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 4: coming in, things change and that's why deer get killed

1112
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 4: on the neighbors okay, or you can't see him sometimes

1113
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 4: or just gone because that's what happens. They just get

1114
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 4: on their bike and they move. And but what what

1115
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 4: the beautiful thing about that is is you get to

1116
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 4: see the neighbors deer. It's the same time. So just

1117
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 4: put yourself in the middle of it. And in my pinion,

1118
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 4: my this might be a different view than most people think.

1119
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 4: Oh when when that November time comes, I pay little

1120
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 4: attention to the wind. I get out there and I

1121
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 4: hunt because I don't know where he's coming from. You know,

1122
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 4: I'm the first guy to tell you that I haven't

1123
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 4: got a clue. I just want to see them, you know.

1124
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 4: So I'm going to get out there and I'm going

1125
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 4: to hunt. But the beautiful thing is after that starts

1126
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 4: to fade, they go right back to a predictable pattern,

1127
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 4: and you got a predictable pattern all throughout the rest

1128
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 4: of the season. And those predictable patterns take time. They

1129
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 4: take time and diligence, and you have to persevere through.

1130
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 4: You know, I didn't see anything this afternoon, you know,

1131
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 4: but I got I know, I know they're there. But

1132
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 4: once you start seeing them and you start to get

1133
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 4: a pattern down, you can make a move.

1134
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1135
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 3: One last question on that specific pattern style in you know,

1136
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 3: whether it be October or December right or January right,

1137
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 3: when they're on that kind of patternable.

1138
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 2: Type behavior.

1139
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 3: We talked about, you see them do something and you

1140
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 3: know if they're doing it for a reason, If you

1141
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 3: know that reason is consistent, you'll go in there and strike.

1142
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 3: What if the wind direction is completely different the next day,

1143
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 3: or if the weather is going to be completely different

1144
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 3: the next day.

1145
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 2: So if everything else.

1146
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 3: Told you, hey, this should be good, but today it

1147
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 3: was a north wind and tomorrow it's the south, does

1148
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 3: that change your calculus at all? Or vice versa. If

1149
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 3: the day you saw him move yesterday was a great,

1150
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 3: big cold front day, but then the next day it

1151
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 3: warms up and is still.

1152
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 2: Is that going to impact your thoughts?

1153
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 4: Absolutely, because it does impact. Now if you're in the

1154
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 4: November time and he's with a dough, that's not going

1155
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 4: to change anything. He's going to still be doing the

1156
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 4: same thing. Now, you know October early October, when you

1157
00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 4: get into December and January, those actors will definitely change.

1158
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 4: They might make them move earlier, they may make them

1159
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 4: move later. You just have to You're going to take

1160
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 4: your shot at that point in time. I guess you know.

1161
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 4: My game plan, especially in recent years, is to be

1162
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 4: done before all that changes. And if I'm focused enough, okay,

1163
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 4: and I'm willing to work at it and pay attention,

1164
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 4: I can put myself in those positions to at least

1165
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 4: get a shot or get a look. But it does

1166
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 4: work later on in the season as well as a

1167
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 4: matter of fact, the later, the later the season, in

1168
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 4: the season it gets here in Ohio, food becomes a

1169
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 4: very very patternable thing. It's just a matter of when

1170
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 4: they're going to get there because that's where they're going.

1171
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 4: They got to eat, and as the food sources dwindle,

1172
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 4: they become more and more focused.

1173
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 3: Now, now, god forbid, let's say somehow the deer or

1174
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 3: the couple deer that you were after, it doesn't come together.

1175
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 3: In October, member hits and you're still after one of

1176
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 3: these handful of deer.

1177
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 2: But it's the rut.

1178
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 3: Now, you mentioned that you're not worried about wind, You're

1179
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 3: just out there hunting. What does the Steve Pinston rut

1180
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 3: strategy look like outside of what you just told us.

1181
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 4: I want to find that, I want to know where

1182
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 4: the girls are. I want to find the girls, and

1183
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 4: I want to be as close to the girls as

1184
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 4: I can because that's where the boys are eventually going

1185
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 4: to be. And that just doesn't change. It's it's been

1186
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 4: that way forever. That's when we talked earlier about what's

1187
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 4: changed from the eighties. That hasn't changed. You know, Bucks chase,

1188
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 4: they chase does, and when you get into November, anything

1189
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 4: can happen, and you just want to find yourself as

1190
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 4: close to travel corridors that the does are going to

1191
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,439
Speaker 4: be using, because the boys are going to be in them,

1192
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 4: that's for sure. They may not be you know, they

1193
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 4: may be outside the behavior what they normally do, but

1194
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 4: their heads not in the same place. You know, their

1195
00:59:54,920 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 4: heads in a very foggy, cloudy spot, and you know

1196
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 4: you see him do things that you never get to

1197
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 4: see him do in September and October, which is a

1198
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 4: cool part of the rut.

1199
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, So if you still have a tag in your

1200
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 3: hand at that point of the year, you're just out

1201
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 3: there hunting. You're not doing your glassing from a far

1202
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 3: thing anymore. You're just out there correct.

1203
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,919
Speaker 4: Most of the time, you know. I mean, if i'm

1204
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 4: if I'm between things or whatever, I may glass a

1205
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 4: little bit to see where the does are. But most

1206
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 4: of the farms that I'm hunting here at home Mark,

1207
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 4: I know him really well, and I know where I

1208
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 4: need to be in November or in the chase mode,

1209
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 4: you know, and I'm I'm there, you know. If it's

1210
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 4: a target deer that I'm interested in, I'm hoping, which

1211
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 4: is a part I hate. I hate the hope. Okay,

1212
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 4: I don't like that part of it, but I'm hoping

1213
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 4: he's still on the property because the key properties that

1214
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 4: I have have a lot of doe and that gives

1215
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 4: them a chance to stay home, you know, and gives

1216
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 4: me a chance to see some of the neighbors deer too.

1217
01:00:57,240 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 3: Right, It's something we haven't talked about yet that I

1218
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 3: know is really important to you, is access, being able

1219
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 3: to get in and getting out without bothering deer. And

1220
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 3: I know you use an e bike to do that.

1221
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 3: Can you just talk to me a little bit about

1222
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 3: your unique approach to getting in and out without bothering

1223
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 3: deer and why that's so important for you.

1224
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 4: Well, the e bike has added a new dimension to that,

1225
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 4: and I'll just talk about e bikes in general, not

1226
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 4: necessarily my brands, but e bikes will give you a

1227
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 4: chance to approach from a different area where you don't

1228
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 4: have to work yourself up a big sweat to get there.

1229
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 4: If the wind's different for an area and you still

1230
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 4: want to hunt it and you have the access, you

1231
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 4: can go around and position yourself. And my bike is

1232
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 4: typically at the base of the tree that I'm in.

1233
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 4: If it's not at the base of the tree. It's close.

1234
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 4: It's in the closest cover. I've never had a deer.

1235
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 4: I have had one buck over the years. As a

1236
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 4: matter of fact, he's up over my right shoulder here.

1237
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 4: That spooked to my bike, and I was actually lucky.

1238
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 4: I kind of believe that if I had a set

1239
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 4: of horns on the bike at that particular time, because

1240
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 4: I rattled him out of the corn and he'd come up.

1241
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 4: I couldn't figure out what he was looking at. I

1242
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 4: just had him. I was hooked up and ready, and

1243
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 4: he's forty five yards away and he just stopped. He

1244
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 4: just looked, and I'm like, what the hell's going on?

1245
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 4: I kept thinking there was another deer. Well, it turned

1246
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 4: out to be I left my bike on the kickstand

1247
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 4: and I've not done that since. You know, you got

1248
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 4: to You have to make sure you're covering your your

1249
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 4: way in your way out. Don't do something dumb like

1250
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 4: leaving on a kickstand like I did. But anyway, the

1251
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 4: bike has been a huge factor as well as far

1252
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 4: as knowing your area. You have to try to have

1253
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:42,439
Speaker 4: your exit routes so that if you don't get it done,

1254
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 4: you're going to be able to get out of there

1255
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 4: without disturbing what's going on. You know, I like to

1256
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 4: hunt my food plots, and I like to hunt the

1257
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 4: cornfields the bean fields. And if I've got enough time

1258
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 4: where the deer are going to get past me, I've

1259
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 4: got to figure out how I'm to get out of

1260
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 4: there clean, you know, and so that I'm not blowing

1261
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 4: things up for you know, because obviously sometimes you don't

1262
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 4: get it done. You know, you have to be able

1263
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 4: to you know, be stealthy enough to get out of

1264
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 4: there and come back another time. So you have to

1265
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 4: have an exit plan.

1266
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 3: So yeah, So when you have the e bike at

1267
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 3: your disposal, do you ever just buzz by the field

1268
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 3: on it if you have no other way to do it?

1269
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 3: And look at that as a less damaging exit because

1270
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 3: you're on the bike.

1271
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 4: There's no doubt that that it's it's very similar to

1272
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 4: a piece of farm machinery. Maybe I really I don't

1273
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 4: know what to compare it to, but I over the

1274
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 4: years I've ridden past deer, not on purpose, you know,

1275
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 4: just look over and boom, there's one land there, and

1276
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:46,959
Speaker 4: don't don't stop. You just got to keep right on going.

1277
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 4: And if you do stop, it creates a reaction. How

1278
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 4: I've ridden up on strutting turkeys, you know, same exact way.

1279
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 4: But if you if you use the bike as what,

1280
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 4: it's not unusual in my area for people to be around. Okay,

1281
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 4: it's got farm equipment, and you know, in some areas

1282
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 4: there's some homes and on some of the lots and

1283
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 4: kids making noise and places. I mean, it's not totally

1284
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 4: unusual for deer to see or hear people. Now, when

1285
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 4: they stop and they notice that you're noticing them, that's

1286
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 4: a whole different result that you're gonna get. But I

1287
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 4: can't tell you how many times I've ridden past beda

1288
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 4: deer and got my tree stand hung and had a

1289
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 4: good evening, good afternoon, good morning, whatever it was.

1290
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 3: So one of the things I've always wondered about is

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Speaker 3: the sound of a bike compared to the sound of

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01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 3: me walking in. And there's been situations where there's been

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01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 3: situations where I've had a spot where I knew I

1294
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 3: would need the bike to get out because I knew, like,

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01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 3: there's there's a couple of spots to hunt where I

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01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 3: just I have to go buy fields to get out,

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01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 3: And so I very rarely hunt evenings in the back

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Speaker 3: of this property because I know I'm gonna have to

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01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 3: buzz out of there on a bike, so I save

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01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,959
Speaker 3: those times. But when I do it, what I wonder is, Okay,

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01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 3: I know that I can take the bike out is

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01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 3: you just described, and it won't be as impactful on

1303
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 3: the way out, But on the way in, I'm wondering

1304
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 3: to myself, geez, should I just walk in and like

1305
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 3: handhold the bike because I can more carefully walk my

1306
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 3: way in with the bike and not make a lot

1307
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 3: of noise. Or should I ride the bike in even

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01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 3: though it makes a sound it's you know, it's not

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01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 3: a human sound. It's not footsteps, it's just a just

1310
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 3: you know, just the wheels on the leaves. And I've wondered,

1311
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 3: is that bothering them? Or do they just hear this

1312
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 3: thing pass by and they have no idea what it

1313
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 3: is because it doesn't sound like feet, and then they

1314
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 3: just get past it.

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01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 2: Have you ever thought about that?

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01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 4: Well, I've just come to the conclusion that I'm going

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01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 4: to do it and I'm going to deal with the results.

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01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 5: Now.

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01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 4: I think that that the I think you're much less

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01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 4: impacting is if you're on the bike and you're moving

1321
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 4: at a at a speed when you're walking, I think

1322
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 4: that there's first off, you're putting boots on the ground,

1323
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 4: and I think that is something that some deer are

1324
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 4: very sensitive to, not all of them, but some deer

1325
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 4: are very sensitive to that. But when you're cruising past

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01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 4: on a bike, I don't think you're having anywhere near

1327
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 4: the impact that you are walking, whether you're pushing the

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01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 4: bike or walking by yourself, I think there's a there's

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01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 4: a threat determined there. I don't want to give the deer.

1330
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 4: I don't want to give them the credit that they're thinking, Okay,

1331
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 4: that'll stop me from even ever going hunting, you know,

1332
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 4: But I will tell you that I believe they react,

1333
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 4: and I think they react to pauses when you stop

1334
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 4: or you pause, you go wow, you know you're surprised,

1335
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 4: and they surprised, and they make eye contact. I think

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01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 4: there is there is going to You're going to get

1337
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 4: your reaction. Then the bike allows you to keep right

1338
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 4: on going. In most cases. Now, talking specifically about bikes,

1339
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 4: center driven bikes do make noise. They make a dear

1340
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 4: noise that that dual hub bikes do not. I build both.

1341
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 4: You know, I'm just telling you there's a difference between

1342
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 4: Like a dual hub bike is dead quiet, makes no noise.

1343
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 4: Center driven bike does make noise. The gears are turning

1344
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 4: and you can hear it. Even as bad as my

1345
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 4: ears are, you can definitely hear it. So there is

1346
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 4: there's a difference there as well. Now I'm not going

1347
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 4: to tell you how impacting that is because I've never

1348
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 4: studied it, but I knew if I can hear it.

1349
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 4: If I if I can hear it, that tells me

1350
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 4: that you know, it's there's there's a factor there. No

1351
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 4: how important it is.

1352
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 3: I don't know, right, And to your to your earlier point,

1353
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 3: they probably don't associate that with any kind of danger

1354
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 3: or human related thing, right, just like farm machinery.

1355
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 4: I was, That's what I would associate it to, you know,

1356
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 4: somebody running along on a gator or something like that.

1357
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 2: You know.

1358
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 3: Interesting, all right, Steve, I want to I want to

1359
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,919
Speaker 3: wrap this up with one final question. Sure I heard

1360
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 3: you say once that failure is a stepping stone to success. Absolutely,

1361
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 3: I'd love you to elaborate on that for us.

1362
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 4: Well, if you're not out there screwing up, okay, you're

1363
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 4: never going to get any better. And when you learn

1364
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 4: from what you screwed up, you just keep polishing your tools.

1365
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 4: You know, your toolbox gets smaller, okay, because you're you

1366
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 4: use less of them because you're understanding how to use

1367
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 4: them better. I mean, I can't tell you how many

1368
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 4: times I've messed up over the years, and I'm going

1369
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:19,719
Speaker 4: to continue to mess up.

1370
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 2: I hope.

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01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 4: I mean, but I learned each time what I did.

1372
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 4: And I'll tell you something else. Every deer is not

1373
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:27,720
Speaker 4: the same. I mentioned to you earlier about a real

1374
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 4: sensitive deer that I've that I've noticed to trail cameras.

1375
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 4: I've had one other deer in my career that I

1376
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 4: noticed had a sensitivity to trail cameras. The talent here

1377
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 4: is understanding that and using that. So did I screw

1378
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 4: up by using that cell camera? And do I learn

1379
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 4: that I'm observing that he has an issue with trail cameras,

1380
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 4: then I change my plan. That's where you you've screwed

1381
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 4: up and you've learned from it. And there's so many

1382
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 4: things like that. You know, how you use the wind,

1383
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 4: you know, you learn how to use the wind, how

1384
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 4: you use the thermals I mean, nonrmals are in my opinion,

1385
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 4: are extremely misunderstood. Very few people understand them because they're

1386
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 4: reading about what they're supposed to be. Like, well, if

1387
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 4: you go out and get in a tree and see

1388
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 4: what they do, you learn a lot more and you

1389
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 4: can repeat that exercise for future success. And bumping your

1390
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 4: heads not a bad thing, it's just not. I mean,

1391
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 4: if you learn something from it and apply it later,

1392
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm going to keep failing and I'm going

1393
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 4: to keep figuring it out. So I hope that makes sense.

1394
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 2: It does, and it rings so true.

1395
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 3: And something else that I recall from hearing in another

1396
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 3: conversation you had was just the fact that you used

1397
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 3: to be afraid of screwing up a long time ago,

1398
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 3: and I was the same way. I was always worried

1399
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 3: while if I do that, I'll probably spook the bucker.

1400
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 3: If I do that, I'll probably educate this year. And

1401
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 3: I was always worried about what I might do screwing

1402
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 3: things up. And at some point, a handful of years ago,

1403
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:00,120
Speaker 3: I realized that you just have to take risks and

1404
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 3: you have to go for it, and you have to

1405
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 3: take those swings, otherwise you'll never get in a position

1406
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 3: for success. And it seems like you've proved that out

1407
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 3: for for a whole lot longer than I have now to.

1408
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 4: Well, it's something that I'm gonna I'll never say I

1409
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 4: know it all. I mean, you know a lot of

1410
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 4: those things that you know never and always don't belong

1411
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 4: in a deer conversation. They just don't. I mean, you know,

1412
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 4: when you when you jump out there and experiment, you learn,

1413
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 4: and you find out what works for you, and then

1414
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 4: you just start you expand on it, it gets really

1415
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,679
Speaker 4: get goosebumps talking about it. It's just it gets really

1416
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 4: really exciting, you know. Like I got to tell you

1417
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 4: when I killed that deer. The other day, I did

1418
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 4: a little interview I'm doing some filming on this, and

1419
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 4: I found myself just so juiced up. I mean, I've

1420
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,600
Speaker 4: been doing this for forty five years, okay, and I

1421
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 4: was just so I mean so three years working on

1422
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 4: this deer and he made one mistake and I capitalize

1423
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 4: on it. It's just so cool to do that, you know.

1424
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 4: But you don't get there by being perfect. Every time

1425
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 4: you bump your head all the way through and you

1426
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 4: pick up little things that you're not going to repeat

1427
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 4: down the road because you've learned and you've been out

1428
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 4: there doing it. You don't get that out of a book.

1429
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:10,799
Speaker 4: You get that out of a tree.

1430
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 3: Really, really great place to end this and great words

1431
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:19,440
Speaker 3: for assault to remember as we head out.

1432
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:20,520
Speaker 2: To the field ourselves.

1433
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 3: So before I let you go, Steve, could you let

1434
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 3: us know number one? You know, where might we be

1435
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 3: able to see some of these hunts? I know there's

1436
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 3: at least one of them online we can watch and

1437
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 3: it sounds like you were filming this latest one, So

1438
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 3: where should we stay tuned for that kind of stuff?

1439
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:37,839
Speaker 3: And then number two, could you give us the scoop

1440
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 3: on hardcore e cycles where we can learn more about

1441
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 3: your bikes than anything else like that?

1442
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, it's very nice to you. I

1443
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 4: do I provide white Tail Addictions some footage every now

1444
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 4: and then. I'm not the best at it, so to speak.

1445
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 4: I'm never going to be one of those guys that's

1446
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,760
Speaker 4: the movie star. First. I spent two or three years

1447
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 4: chasing it deer. If I can get the shot, I'll

1448
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:00,680
Speaker 4: get it. If I can't, still going to try to

1449
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:03,639
Speaker 4: kill it. That's just how I do it. This particular year,

1450
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 4: I got good footage. Last couple of years I haven't

1451
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 4: given them footage, but they're going to get that footage.

1452
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 4: I've got some good footage coming for that. When it

1453
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 4: comes to so white tail addictions. You can see some

1454
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 4: of my stuff my Facebook page. I put a lot

1455
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 4: of videos, and I take a lot of pride in

1456
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 4: taking pictures these days. I really I get out there

1457
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:24,839
Speaker 4: and I'm trying my best to get better at taking pictures.

1458
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 4: And I will tell you that getting better at taking

1459
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 4: pictures has made me a much better hunter. I mean,

1460
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 4: I spend a lot more time getting close to big

1461
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 4: deer to get pictures, and it makes me just stone

1462
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 4: cold when it comes to the situation where it's there

1463
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 4: to kill them. But as far as hardcore recycles, dot

1464
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 4: com is our hunting bikes. We do specifically hunting bikes

1465
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 4: designed by me. I don't do single power bikes anymore.

1466
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 4: All my bikes are dual wheel powered in the front

1467
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 4: and the back, because that's how I believe I need them,

1468
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:02,080
Speaker 4: and that's how I believe very needs them. So anybody'd

1469
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 4: like to talk to me, my phone numbers on there,

1470
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 4: I'd be more happy to discuss it with them. If

1471
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 4: they're in the market for a bike, I'll help them

1472
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 4: with my bike or anybody else's bike. I'll be happy

1473
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 4: to do that. But the bottom line is the bike

1474
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 4: will help you get better, so we choose to use one.

1475
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 4: I'd love to help you.

1476
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 2: That's awesome.

1477
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 3: Well, Steve, thank you so much for taking this time

1478
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 3: talking with us here today.

1479
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:25,480
Speaker 2: I've got some new ideas.

1480
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 3: I've got a little bit of extra confidence in my

1481
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 3: plan for tonight and how I'm going to adjust, and

1482
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 3: hopefully I have something to share here soon coming from this.

1483
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 2: So thanks Steve. We're all going to be definitely benefiting

1484
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 2: from it.

1485
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 4: Thank you very much. You've made this very easy. I've

1486
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 4: been very enjoyed, enjoyable conversation talking to you.

1487
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 2: Right back at you, all right, and that's a wrap.

1488
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 2: Thank you for being here. Appreciate you tuning in. Good luck.

1489
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 2: This is it.

1490
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,799
Speaker 3: These are the days we've been looking forward to for

1491
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 3: the last nine to ten, eleven, twelve months. We'll finally here,

1492
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 3: the ruts about to explode. Good things are going to

1493
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:07,640
Speaker 3: be happening if they haven't already, and it's gonna be

1494
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 3: a lot of fun. So be safe, have fun, and

1495
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 3: until next time, stay wired to hunt.