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Speaker 1: Morning. Everybody is j n V Charlemagne the guy. We

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Speaker 1: are the breakfast club out co host B Scott is

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Speaker 1: here and we're opening up the phone lines eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and five A five, one oh five one. We were

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Speaker 1: talking about something we've seen in the Business Insider where

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Speaker 1: they're saying the majority of Americans now think a college

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Speaker 1: degree isn't worth it, and they said fifty six percent

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Speaker 1: of Americans now say a four year college degree isn't

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Speaker 1: worth the cost. And I was saying that I got

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Speaker 1: my degree of course from Hampton University HBCU shot everybody

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Speaker 1: I think that students should take some time off before

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Speaker 1: they go to college. And I'm gonna tell you why.

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Speaker 1: When I went to college, and as most students go

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Speaker 1: to college, a lot of them go to pass. They

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Speaker 1: just want to get their degree and get out. And

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Speaker 1: that's what I did. I got my degree and got out.

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Speaker 1: But now realizing there are so many classes and courses

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Speaker 1: that I should have really listened to because it would

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Speaker 1: have helped me in you know, in life, in life,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I wish I could

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Speaker 1: go back to those courses and I tell my daughter

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Speaker 1: who's in NYU now that you know, take those classes serious.

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Speaker 1: Just don't study to pass, study to actually learn. But

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Speaker 1: it was accountant, whether it's business, whether it's marketing and management. Now,

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Speaker 1: I didn't get my degree in communications. I got my

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Speaker 1: degree in marketing and management, which I use in my

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Speaker 1: career because I always said I was going to have

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Speaker 1: know how to keep it, how to invest it, and

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Speaker 1: that's what college taught me. But I tell kids to

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Speaker 1: take time off when I tell kids what courses they

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Speaker 1: should take, because I think they got to figure out

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Speaker 1: and learn what they want to do. You know, I

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Speaker 1: think if you take that time off, maybe jump into

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Speaker 1: the workforce a little bit, then you can really understand

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Speaker 1: what you want to do. Because most people don't know

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Speaker 1: what they want to do. They go college, They go

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Speaker 1: to college and just try to figure it out. That's

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Speaker 1: because you know, I tell my daughter, my daughter's fourteen,

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Speaker 1: now she's a freshman, I'll tell her now that you know,

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Speaker 1: even if she doesn't know what she wants to do.

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Speaker 1: Even even though she does, I think going to college

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Speaker 1: is a good thing to do until you figure it

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Speaker 1: out because yeah, because you're not wasting time, like at

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Speaker 1: least you'll have a degree after those four years. I

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Speaker 1: didn't go to college, you know, even though I am

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Speaker 1: a doctor honorary doctor from South Carolina, but I didn't

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Speaker 1: go to college. But I'm just saying I feel like

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Speaker 1: that four years is it's a good way to deal

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Speaker 1: My daughter went from real estate to be she wanted

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Speaker 1: to be an attorney, that she went back to real estate,

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Speaker 1: so she doesn't necessarily know what do you think? I mean,

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Speaker 1: I can only speak from experience, so you know, I

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Speaker 1: for me it was something that was definitely needed because

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Speaker 1: it gave me a basic working knowledge of the world.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like a lot of people could benefit

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Speaker 1: from that. I do believe that just knowing just fundamentals

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Speaker 1: of just like photosynthesis or just like certain things, just

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Speaker 1: allows you to appreciate things in a whole new way.

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Speaker 1: And I do believe that you should use college, as

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Speaker 1: you were saying Charlemagne, to kind of explore because that's

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Speaker 1: what the general requirements are. So the general requirements are

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Speaker 1: all over the place, and as you explore different little

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Speaker 1: And my fear is that if they were to take

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Speaker 1: to start getting real life responsibilities, which means you're buying

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Speaker 1: and so that means you got to keep that job

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Speaker 1: to keep these things, and they prevents you from ever

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Speaker 1: going back. So every thing about exploring is you're exploring

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Speaker 1: by paying a bill. Like you look at certain colleges

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Speaker 1: of forty fifty thousand dollars a year and you're exploring

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Speaker 1: takes some twelve years to pay off. Right, Like what

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Speaker 1: be Scott said, though you know, if you don't go

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Speaker 1: you know. And I also think that sometimes you can

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Speaker 1: You just you skip some courses. Let's go to the

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Speaker 1: phone lines. A lot of people are on the lines. Hello,

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Speaker 1: who's this Good morning, hey Bernard, go on and talk

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Speaker 1: to us. All right, So I just wanted to touch

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Speaker 1: eleven years and so when it comes to the affordability,

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Speaker 1: colleges are very but it's also public schools that are

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Speaker 1: much more affordable. And in some cases we qualified for

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Speaker 1: like programs but actually do an entire um not sure

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Speaker 1: usually when we get to those masters degrees and gradual

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Speaker 1: ton of money and not really seeing that return on investment. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I won't say that too. You know the bad thing

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Speaker 1: and this is why we always talk about, you know,

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Speaker 1: free education. My mom worked extra hard and my dad

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Speaker 1: work extra hard to so that I wouldn't have huge

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Speaker 1: college bills when I graduated, right, I think they pay

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Speaker 1: like seventy percent of my college to which and I

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Speaker 1: had to pay thirty percent when I graduate. So for me,

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Speaker 1: the biggest thing for my kids, I have six, is

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Speaker 1: to make sure that you have six, six kids twenty one, eighteen,

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Speaker 1: nine eighty six in a one year old. That's impressive.

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Speaker 1: But for me, I want to make sure my kids

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Speaker 1: don't have any college bills, so I work extra hard

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Speaker 1: to make sure when they graduate they start from zero.

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Speaker 1: You do have to work extra hard with six kids.

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Speaker 1: Yeare six kids, you can see six more. I was like,

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Speaker 1: I got one wife and all my kids from one woman.

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Speaker 1: That is true. You know. You know what that was?

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Speaker 1: What college do that? I don't hear y'all talk about enough.

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Speaker 1: Don't you learn other things outside of just getting a degree,

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Speaker 1: like meeting people, networking skills? That was another thing, you know.

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Speaker 1: Me coming from New York, all I was about was

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Speaker 1: New York. But when I went to college, I had

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Speaker 1: a roommate from Mississippi. I had a roommate from Ohio.

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Speaker 1: roommate from Jersey. So it opened me up, you know,

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Speaker 1: doing music to all those different areas of music and

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Speaker 1: things like that, and in most cases, it's a safer

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Speaker 1: a buffer, it's like a step right before you on

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Speaker 1: your own. And that's why I'm not knocking these people

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Speaker 1: who say that it wasn't worth it to get a degree.

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Speaker 1: But are you just equating worth to monetization, because I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you probably got life lifelong friends, Like my wife

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Speaker 1: has her two best friends or from college, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, they're friends with twenty plus years. And

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Speaker 1: I also think that you touched on something that was

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Speaker 1: powerful you said in terms of a lot of people

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Speaker 1: go to college just to pass. Correct, it's about why

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Speaker 1: you are there. But if you're there to learn and

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Speaker 1: actually get something from the experience, you're going to have

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Speaker 1: a different result than someone that's they're just to pass.

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Speaker 1: That's true to Like, I didn't want to go to college, right,

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Speaker 1: I was a DJ. I wanted to do music, but

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Speaker 1: in my family, I was the first person to go

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Speaker 1: to college in my family. Wow, So my parents were like, no,

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Speaker 1: you're going, Like they wanted me to go to more

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Speaker 1: I was doing it more for them then for you're

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Speaker 1: not a more house man. You went Hampton was good

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Speaker 1: for you. I'm a Hampton man, sir. Yeah that's yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's nothing wrong with being an I can call some

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Speaker 1: my more house people. Do you think's a more house man?

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Speaker 1: But I thought the Howard Howard, Oh my god, I'm

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Speaker 1: about to fight you in here. I'm about I'm about

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Speaker 1: to fight you a here my money. I've been fighting

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Speaker 1: my whole life. Now five a five five one. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about college this morning. Now, we were saying a

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Speaker 1: majority of America's now thinking think getting a college degree

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Speaker 1: isn't worth What are your thoughts? And they're saying fifty

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Speaker 1: six percent of America's now say a four year college

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Speaker 1: degree isn't worth the cost. Let's talk about it. It's

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Speaker 1: the breakfast club the morning