1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: the players, by the players. Here is your host, fourteen 3 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: year NFL veteran and Hall of Famer Anius Williams. Hello 4 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: and welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast. I'm a Nias Williams. 5 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: Our guest today's NFL Legend defensive tackle Langston Mueller, who 6 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: is the host of his own podcast, everybody listening in 7 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: It's called but in Guts. I'm gonna say it again, 8 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: but in Guts, not but in Nuts, but in Guts, 9 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: which focuses on the big men of the NFL and 10 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: specific challenges they face as legends. Welcome Langston Man. It's 11 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: it's great to be here, Anias, and it's great to 12 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: talk button gut. I mean it's a it's is a great, 13 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: great deal and uh it's gonna be fun. Man. You 14 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: have a you have a smile, You have a gracious smile. 15 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: You also have the voice. I know you're doing a 16 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: podcast in how much television have you done? Well? My 17 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: daddy was in radio, and uh, you know, I kind 18 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: of got the gift of having a face for radio, 19 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: as folks like to say a lot of times, so 20 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: I get some of that guy given voice talent from him, 21 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: and uh, I guess the rest will just attribute to 22 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: my sweet mother. So um, you know, having the the 23 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: ability to grow up around a teacher and and somebody 24 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 1: was in broadcast. It kind of helped me get onto 25 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: this path of being a podcaster and trying to be 26 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: creative and come up with these ideas. I want to start, well, 27 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,559 Speaker 1: why you started a podcast specifically for the big guys. Yeah, 28 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: one of the big things is, you know, um, you 29 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: can't have a football game without lineman. You always hear about, 30 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: you know, winning in the trenches with offense and defensive linement, 31 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: but a lot of times the star guys that guys 32 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: who get to take their helmet off for for the 33 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: touchdowns are for the other things are usually the skinny 34 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: guys and so um, for me, the biggest thing was 35 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: just talking about how all of this is kind of 36 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: tied in being a football guy, because, um, you know, 37 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure everybody has a story if you've made it 38 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: to elite level football, playing in college or anything like that, 39 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: but for the most of us, we've been big our 40 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,679 Speaker 1: entire life. So you know, trying to figure out and 41 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: talk about that that Moniker of being a big guy 42 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: and what that meant like somebody. For myself, I was 43 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: like a hundred fifty pounds in the third grade, and 44 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: as long as we had that backdrop of football, you 45 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: know you're good, you're not you're not an obest kid, 46 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: or you know you're doing something positive. But without football, 47 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: somebody would look at you and probably say what they 48 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: said to my mother, the doctor said that they're like, 49 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: we gotta do something about this. So I was still 50 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: trying to I had those baseball dreams at that time. 51 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: But my mom, God bless her, she took me to 52 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: go get ice cream after the doctor said, man, we 53 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: gotta get this boy to lose some weight. In the 54 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 1: third grade win a hundred fifty pounds. So everybody we 55 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 1: kind of talked to in this series are any of 56 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 1: the guys we you've ever been in the locker room with. 57 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: They kind of had similar stories about being taller than everybody, 58 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: are bigger than everybody, but beyond all that, being extremely 59 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: talented athletically and trying to figure out how they fit 60 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: into the world. So you know, for a lot of guys, 61 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: they take that medium, they take their bodies and they 62 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: go into uh playing football, and it takes them a 63 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: really far place. And what we also wanted to cover 64 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: in our Button Got series was, uh, the challenges for 65 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: guys afterwards, you know, losing the week because there's so 66 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: much food and reward and different things tied in with football. Um, 67 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: you know when it needs Winns would pick off. You know, 68 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: all these guys in the NFL. You know, it doesn't 69 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: matter if he had five interceptions. That quarterback who threw 70 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: those five interceptions, he would get a bag of burgers 71 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: or a pizza or something, and food and rewards and 72 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: all these different things were always tied in, and we 73 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: wanted to kind of highlight a lot of that and 74 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: get into kind of some of the psychology of those things. 75 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: Like you brought up something that I hadn't anticipated talking about, 76 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: and it's the psychological dynamics are being big when it 77 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: comes down to the game of football. You get, you 78 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: get accolades for it. Just as you said it. How 79 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: would you share with those who are bigger and societists 80 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: saying something is wrong if you're bigger, right, particularly with 81 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: ladies and with men, the big guys that played the 82 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: great game in the National Football League, it's an honor 83 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: to be big. What's the psychological challenges you could speak 84 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: to for those that don't play football and a big well, 85 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: a lot of it is confident, um. You know, especially 86 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: in the world we live in now, it is very visceral. 87 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: Everybody sees the highlights and we call that social media Instagram. 88 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: Nobody ever puts their low lights on there um. And 89 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: so a lot of times when you see that that 90 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: guy who is you know, uh six five, you know, 91 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: two eight pounds and he has the timbercent body fat 92 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: and you're like, man, I played in the NFL. I 93 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: think maybe Andre Wadsworth was maybe the only due to 94 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: ever was chisel like that, and that was just kind 95 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: of God given you didn't you know you you you 96 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: really get to you don't get to see those type 97 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 1: of things. So for a lot of folks, if if 98 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: they're not the typical guy on the chart and the 99 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: doctors office stage, they start to look at it. Now, 100 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: there is health consequences for a lot of those things. 101 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: And I grew up in the South and so with that, um, 102 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: that was one of the things we also want to 103 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: touch on because there is a lot of obesity, diabetes, 104 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: a lot of these things that are weight related that 105 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: a lot of folks, especially football guys, have to deal 106 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: with and we're not immune to those just because we 107 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: play in the NFL. A lot of guys we interviewed, 108 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: like like Kendall Simmons for example, was a guy who 109 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: played for Pittsburgh for many years and Kendall didn't find 110 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: out he was a diabetic till he was in the NFL. 111 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: And you talk about you know, performance and different things 112 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: like that. Um, it's all the things we touch on 113 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: within that. But for a lot of folks, especially women included, 114 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: you know, it's a big deal body image. UM, A 115 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 1: lot of guys we interviewed myself as well, we have 116 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: daughters and so being bigger guys, you know, we we 117 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: still feed and you kind of see I got a 118 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: double chuck, all right, I still so how do we 119 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: how do we try to change that dynamic for our children. 120 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: We we kind of touched on all of that within 121 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 1: the theories and it has just been really interesting to 122 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: dive into that that psychology. It's been interesting seeing ledger 123 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: Is after they left the game. One of my teammates 124 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: who's done broadcasting at the collegiate level Ed Cunningham and 125 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: Ed probably was over three hundred pounds when I played 126 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: with the man. When I saw him later a few 127 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: years later and he was out of the game as 128 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: a legend, Ed looked like he could play strong safety. 129 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: So so that dynamics. I just want to stick with 130 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: this weight, just maybe a little longer because it's still 131 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 1: it's such a challenge, right, and we're gonna talk about it. 132 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: So how do you know when you help it? Like 133 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: Ed gets down? He's small, But how does a bigger 134 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: person know when their health Then I guess, well, and 135 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: that's the that's another thing we kind of find out 136 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: because for you with think going into it, it it would 137 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: be a number on the scale for a lot of guys, 138 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: and that does have something tied into it. We're talking 139 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: about weight goals and different things, but for a lot 140 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: of guys, this functionality. Uh, some of these guys played 141 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: at the higher end of three hundred, closer to three 142 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: semi fives. So he put some paths on them. These 143 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: dudes at the pregame. It might be four d pounds 144 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: on any given Sunday, but still out there running on 145 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: their toes like their deers and all those different things. 146 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: So they gotta figure out what's their ideal way for them? 147 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: They're they're gonna be. They've been off the charts their 148 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: entire life, So trying to figure out maybe being under 149 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: three D is not realistic. But having my body fat right, 150 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: having my blood pressure right, having my A one C 151 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: numbers if I'm diabetic, all those different things. So that 152 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: was the other interesting thing talking to guys. And if 153 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: we know anything about football, dudes, is we all know stats, 154 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: we all watch numbers, we all pay attention to something 155 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: that's stat related, and there's no difference when we're talking 156 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,119 Speaker 1: about our bodies. Talking about self scouting, Uh, if I'm 157 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: if I'm a zone corner, I know better than to 158 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: try to lock somebody up man the man who can 159 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: beat me. But it's the same way with your own self. 160 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: You gotta skeelf scout and know your own self. As 161 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: far as when it comes to to your diet and 162 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: changing that diet, it sweets as your deal. You gotta 163 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: figure out some way to get that sweet tooth off you. 164 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: If it's fried foods, you gotta get the air frier, 165 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta do something. So I think the 166 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: biggest thing for a lot of guys that having kind 167 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: of that soberer moment. And we all had this as 168 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: a football player, like when we were totally going to 169 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: commit and say I'm gonna go all the way with football, 170 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: whether it be in college, high school, and once you 171 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: made that commitment, you didn't deviate. And I think it's 172 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: the same way when it comes to really getting serious 173 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,119 Speaker 1: about not just going after your weight, but the entire 174 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: holistic type of deal, because there is a lot of 175 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: mental stuff tied into this. And um, you know, for 176 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: a lot of guys who were super successful playing football, 177 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: they were bigger. Um of course you were making money, 178 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: you have fame and all of those things. But without football, 179 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: people just kind of look at you like a big dude. 180 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: And so if you don't have a lot of your 181 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: confidence starts to win with a lot of guys, and 182 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: we see it affect in other things family life, and 183 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 1: so that's the other thing we try to tackle within 184 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: this deal is guys getting more confidence, guys talking about 185 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: having just control over things and and this is something 186 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: that ultimately we all as high achievers, we like to 187 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: have a sense of control. And that's and that's the 188 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: thing I think a lot of guys are are figuring 189 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: out through this whole series and and understanding how they 190 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: really have control over their weight and their the image. 191 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 1: When did you get the mental shift after becoming a 192 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: legend when you were at the eating you were eating, 193 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: and when did you start thinking, Okay, I'm no longer 194 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: playing and I have to be mindful when I now eat. 195 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: What was that conscious interrupt I just I know this 196 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: is gonna help so many people, Langston. I just have 197 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: a passion. And as this podcast and started to hear 198 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: how you've the challenges and the guys you've talked with, 199 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: how that shift has taken place. Well, for me, it's 200 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: um a couple of things for me, And this has 201 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: been a couple of kind of uh salient moments in 202 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: my life. Where my father passed away earlier on. He 203 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: was a bigger guy. Uh he played some football a 204 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: little bit, but you know, high school hero of that 205 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: type of stuff. But afterwards, I've always known my my 206 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: old man to be a bigger guy. But he passed 207 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: away earlier on in my college career because of congested 208 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: heart failure. UM, a lot of that with my my cardropathy, 209 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: a lot of the things that going on with COVID, 210 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: some of the things that's left over. So for him, 211 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: he was a fit guy, was always working out. Work 212 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: was never a thing that that hurt him or he 213 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: was afraid of. But I saw this, you know guy 214 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: in essence, you know, his heart just gave out on 215 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 1: him because of him being a bigger dude and never 216 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: really ultimately getting that weight down. The other thing that 217 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: was really sobering for me with him was there was 218 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: opportunities for us to, you know, try to do some 219 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: different things with maybe a heart transplant, different things like that. 220 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: But because my dad was over three hundred pounds, they're 221 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 1: not even gonna put you on the transplants until you're 222 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: two seventy five. So if your heart is already at capacity, 223 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 1: you can fall dead at any moment. So it's kind 224 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: of like the catch twenty two. The thing the workout 225 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: or the are the stuff that might save you is 226 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: the thing that might actually kill you. But that didn't 227 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: stop my dad from eating not as healthy as he 228 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: could have been in that moment, the same way with 229 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: my mom. But also just to tie it into football, 230 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: I mean, uh, Norman Ham is a guy who grew 231 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 1: up played in the Saints. He passed away as a 232 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: guy I used to pay attention to UM all the time, 233 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: Chester him because Blackling a lot of these different guys 234 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: who are tied into South Carolina, UM, guys who were 235 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: my heroes, even some of the guys we try to interview, 236 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: guys I played against in college, Jared Lorenzen, who is 237 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: the hefty lefty who again had his own battles of 238 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: being a bigger quarterback but never really being able to 239 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: lose the weight to save himself in essence. And so 240 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,079 Speaker 1: it's really sobering to hear those things, to see those things, 241 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: but to also, you know, look around in my my 242 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: my other brothers and and folks in the NFL and 243 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: seeing their weight lost journey already and being inspired by that. 244 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: So that's the same thing, the same thing that inspired 245 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: me to want to get out there and try to 246 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: compete and play football. Those are some of the things 247 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: that I keep in my mind when it talks about 248 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: you know, do I reach for those cookies at night? 249 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: Are are any of those things that I try to 250 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: make uh Am, I am I presented with a choice 251 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: to make a bad choice or a good choice. And 252 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: that's the thing. We've all made great choices to get 253 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: to play football. To be legends, and those those skill 254 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: sets don't the minutes, we just kind of forget that 255 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: superpower of choice and and skill afterwards, because we are successful, 256 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 1: we have money. Who's gonna tell us no? And so 257 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: that's why you know, your family life is important, you know, 258 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: making sure your spouses and your kids all having all 259 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: those things hold you accountable as if all helps and 260 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: and every little bit accounts for all of us. Because again, 261 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 1: for a lot of big guys, it could be you know, 262 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: if somebody dropped that of a heart attack at forty two, 263 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: they're not gonna say, oh, man, he he died. Uh, 264 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: you know, he died early. They're gonna look and say, no, 265 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: he was a big dude, and he was a ticking 266 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: time ball. So and that's the thing. We got to 267 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: be responsible for what ultimately we put into our bodies 268 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,199 Speaker 1: is on the way. Any suggestions as relates to New 269 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: Year's resolutions for guys who wants to make a difference 270 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: with their weight right today, Man, you don't have to 271 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: you don't have to wait. And that's that's the other 272 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: thing we get. We don't even have to look at 273 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: a counter or sometimes we can just close our eyes 274 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: and feel the man, it feels winter time, so either 275 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: I'm in the playoffs or I'm getting ready for the 276 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: next season or springtime, so I gotta be in priming 277 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: myself up for this type of deal. We all know, 278 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: we kind of all have that saying kind of calendar, 279 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: a clock in our brain and we never really lose that. 280 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: So not to say that we need to go back 281 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: to training camp mode or different things, but a lot 282 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: of it is just being aware, uh, starting off with 283 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: what you put into your body. We're big guys. We've 284 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: been consumers our whole life. You know, everything we've ever 285 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: done has been extra. The coach there, you're gonna run 286 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: eight half gassers, somebody gonna run four and more after that. 287 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: And so the same thing happens when we go eat, 288 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: or when it came to relationships, or when it came 289 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: to drinking and all these different so we know when 290 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: it goes down that road. And this is where food 291 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: gets really I like this word insidious. It gets really 292 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: insidious for a lot of the big guys because you know, 293 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: we can close our eyes and and kill thirty wings 294 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 1: sometimes or you know, all these different things, so you're 295 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: not as a coach used to tell me you're not 296 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: getting all that weight eating Brussels sprouts and rock you 297 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,719 Speaker 1: out there eating the bad stuff. So first thing is 298 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: self scouting, shaking in on yourself, seeing what you're doing, 299 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: what your habits are. A lot of times it's film study. 300 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: We go through the day on on autopilot a lot 301 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: of times and don't realize, Um, you know I start 302 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: my in and off with a coffee and a doughnut. Well, 303 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: maybe you just eliminate some of those things can help 304 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: going to sleep, especially with a lot of hormonal different things. 305 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: For a lot of us guys, we get cranky, and 306 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: you know you talk about brain injuries. Sleep is some 307 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: of the best stuff that we can do for ourselves 308 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: and having consistent sleep. So I think if guys start 309 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: doing that, watching what they kind of intake, give yourself, 310 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: maybe a week or two. The holiday times might be 311 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: a little you know, exacerbated, what your menu might be 312 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: like because you know mom is bringing the stuff in, 313 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: or you're gonna Friday at Turkey or whatever it is 314 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna do. But ultimately putting up game plan together, 315 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: because that's something we all understand, game planning, having a plan, 316 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: but also having the ability to adapt and change those 317 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: plans because you know the Neils. I played for the 318 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: Cardinals too, man like, we had the best games in 319 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: the world. Sometimes and get punched in the mouth, You're like, 320 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: what different, I'm not gonna be vegan this one. I 321 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: gotta be. I gotta be in the vegan reserves. I 322 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: only gonna be vegan Tuesday and Thursdays or something like that. 323 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: So I think that's the biggest thing with that. But 324 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: also understanding going to this idea of self scouting is 325 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: that you gotta know your body. So everybody's injuries are different. 326 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: Everybody likes something different. Some guys never want to touch 327 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: weights again. Some guys get into really love and running. 328 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: Some guys love to do the old kind of cocoon 329 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: workout in the pool with all the old folks and 330 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: all that different stuff. Whatever it is. Try out a 331 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: bunch of stuff and see what works for you and 332 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: ultimately have fun with this stuff, because that's why you 333 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: eventually started playing football, because it was fun, started competing, 334 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: and that's sounded the same things. In our Button Guts series. 335 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: One of the guys that we talked to, uh Cold 336 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: cublic Um. All these guys do the peloton stuff. They 337 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: got this thing called the Buns of Anarchy, and all 338 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: these guys working remotely. Everybody's at home, but they all 339 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: made a commitment to get on on Saturday mornings, are 340 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: Friday evenings or whatever, and they all do a group 341 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: ride virtually together. And so it's that same football stuff 342 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: of competing. And you see tons and tons of guys 343 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: on their Damien Woodie, all these old, big, old football 344 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: guys still out there spinning it out on these peloton bikes. 345 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: So combat fishing is something. But also I mean, guys 346 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: know what they can do. Uh, and they're they're closer 347 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: to their goal of being on a healthier path than 348 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: they think they are. That's good. Let's shift into your 349 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: broadcast career first. Let's talk You talked about your dad 350 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: and his influence a jazz DJ as well. Is that correct? Yeah, 351 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: he kind of did a little bit of everything. My 352 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: old man. He was you know, always had it in 353 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: his mind that he wanted to be in radio, had 354 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: that it was a big guy, had that big voice, 355 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: but kind of like football, would go anywhere to get 356 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: that opportunity to be on the radio, whether it be 357 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: a UM, you know, a country station or working on 358 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: talk radio. I mean he was, I mean, at one 359 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: time he was. He was a black man who had 360 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: the number one country radio show in the state of 361 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: South Carolina. So that's kind of like a unicorn really, 362 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: So that just goes to the goals to say, I mean, 363 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: you know, I love country music. You know, Charlie Pride, 364 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: Darius Rucker, all those guys, South Carolina guys. Um, you know, 365 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. So I think ultimately, you know, see 366 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: and my dad kind of do the broadcast and stuff 367 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,239 Speaker 1: gave me the opportunity to understand that, um, you know, 368 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 1: you're not just pigeonholed is just to being a football 369 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: guy or just being a uh maybe a hip hop guy. 370 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: You I mean, whatever you're interested in, it will come 371 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: across in the broadcast, and that's where people you know, 372 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 1: you can't think authenticity with a lot of folks. So 373 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: for me that was a great, great thing. But also 374 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: to see the biggest thing for me, especially in my 375 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: next kind of career doing podcast, is that you know, 376 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: you gotta write this stuff out, you gotta you gotta 377 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: edit this stuff. And that's the thing what we talk 378 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: about when I go into the schools and speak with kids. 379 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: Is that you know, everybody thinks they're gonna play football 380 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: and that's probably not going right, but everybody has the 381 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: opportunity to build the skills up of reading, writing, and speaking, 382 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: and those are the things I saw and my dad 383 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: made it cool to be well spoken, well written, have 384 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: somebody read your copy, have compelling copy, all those different things, 385 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: because ultimately that's what you did as a football player. 386 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: You just did that in a in a movement and 387 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: kind of out there with your body. So that was 388 00:17:58,080 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: that was the cool thing. And then you know, you 389 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: back it up with my mom who was a teacher. 390 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 1: You know, God bless all teachers across the world, man, 391 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: because uh, you know, if they can get anybody to 392 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: sit still and pay attention, especially big guys who are 393 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: hungry and classrooms, you know, if it takes a special 394 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: skill set to do that. So I was very very 395 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: lucky in that set. And you mentioned righting that's kind 396 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: of like a lost art for some of our millennial generation. Z. 397 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: So you're still you're encouraging them to write. And when 398 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: you see just write, your thoughts are what are your suggestions. 399 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: I'm a great proponent of journaling. I'm a great proponent 400 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: of morning pages. I talked to another former NFL legend, 401 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,199 Speaker 1: Joe Holly, who played with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, had 402 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: a phenomenal blog, Man Van Dog Blog where once he 403 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: retired he traveled around, but he talked about how really 404 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: journaling every day helped him in his transition. And that's 405 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: the thing we tell kids is one there's not very 406 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: people who actually put pen to paper and write, let 407 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: alone right in curses sometimes. I don't know the last 408 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: time you ever routined cursing and showed it like some 409 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: kids like they look at Dore like, what is you know? 410 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 1: And so it's kind of cool because you know, I'm 411 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: as much as I used to get teas for not 412 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: being able to write as a as a student, you know, 413 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: to be the one that's still out there writing thank 414 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: you notes and do those different things, he can set 415 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 1: you apart. But also I just think for a lot 416 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: of guys transitioning wise, that ability to journal, and especially 417 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 1: to do it I guess in the morning or times 418 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: when you're stressed, is such a great outlet. I think 419 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: for a lot of guys, exercise is another great tool 420 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: to to download some of those stresses and different things. 421 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,199 Speaker 1: But we know, just like with our phones, if we 422 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: uploaded in and we let that battery wig a little 423 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 1: bit too much, the functionality is just gonna fry itself 424 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: right after a while. Another great thing for us is gratitude. 425 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: We love gratitude journals because you know, no matter what's 426 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 1: going on in the world, we all still love. I mean, 427 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: for the most of us, we're living in America, We're healthy, 428 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 1: we got lights on, we gotta internet connection. I mean, 429 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: we're we're really really fortunate, and a lot of times 430 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: we miss out on that when we're comparing ourselves on 431 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,479 Speaker 1: social media and different things in life. There's a question, 432 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: did you advantage of the broadcast boot camp or any 433 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: other programs the NFL off of the players and legends. Absolutely, man, 434 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: I had to. Yeah, I remember because it was great 435 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: to see so many guys that I used to play 436 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,479 Speaker 1: with seeing them kind of doing the same thing, shopping 437 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: in their skill set of you know, whether it was 438 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: the broadcast boot camp being in front of the camera, 439 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: are just the journalism boot camp because again there's more 440 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: than you know, there's tons of opportunity and there's only 441 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 1: gonna get to be one of Nidius William who gets 442 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: to be on TV. There's only gonna be so many 443 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: pretty faces on there. But there's guys who can do copy. 444 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,239 Speaker 1: There's guys who are really smart and witty. You think 445 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: about somebody like a Spice. Adams are Anthony Adams who 446 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,959 Speaker 1: just does tremendous amounts of content. But he's coming up 447 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: with these ideas and executing them and doing them all himself. 448 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: And a lot of times, you know, the broadcast boot 449 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: camps and a lot of the things that the NFL 450 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: uh former players and the players uh deal. It really helped, 451 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: you know, put you on the path and also met 452 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 1: a lot of great coaches because again not to I mean, 453 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: this is the Legends podcast, but we're not afraid of 454 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: getting coaching. And that's the thing for us to be elite. 455 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: And you see this in any field, whether it's you know, 456 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: Fortune five hundred company or a guy who has a 457 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: really great marriage. You know, you ask those people, you know, 458 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: how you doing it, and the more you do that 459 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: you can mimic that success. So um, I'm really thankful 460 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: for all those programs, that transition program I'm probably I'm 461 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: probably one of those folks that when when when y'all 462 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: put out stuff in the in the springtime and the wintertime. 463 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: It's like, oh and again, you just mad you last time, man, 464 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: you know, but that's that's what it's there for. And 465 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: we have to extract those resources and use it because 466 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: it does help us out and give us direction. How 467 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: has it been reconnected back in the University of South 468 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: Carolina and doing your broadcast, What has that been like? 469 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: It's been phenomenal. Um. I was I was joking around 470 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 1: with some people and told people like, you know, yeah, 471 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: my daddy was in broadcasting, and I never really thought 472 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: about broadcasting, but when I kind of fell into it, 473 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: it was kind of like a fish in the water. 474 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 1: But you know, getting getting to be able to cover 475 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: my team, the team I played for my state school, Um, 476 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 1: just gave me a little bit more care. And that's 477 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: one of the things I learned from, you know, one 478 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: of my mentors, Coach Holzels, trust, care, commitment and whatever 479 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: it is you do. I mean, I could be trusted 480 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: to be on time and I was gonna know my 481 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: stuff and I was committed to South Carolina, but I 482 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: really cared about those guys because maybe it was ten 483 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: fifteen year difference but does all look like my little brother. 484 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: So you know, hearing those stories and hearing oh man, 485 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: I remember that I'm from that same back room you're from. 486 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: We used to come down there and beat y'all. Are 487 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: y'all used to come beat us? And having that connectivity 488 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: allow me to not only do my job better, but 489 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: also to develop a relationship and give a lot of 490 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: that wisdom to those guys and tell them, you know, 491 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: I played in the NFL. I fooled them for about 492 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: seven years until there a lot of I couldn't playing anymore. 493 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: And so you know, giving that wisdom. You know, it's 494 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: cool to have all these experiences, but man, unless I 495 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 1: share it, and you notice, unless I can kind of 496 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: tell it to somebody else, I'm just I mean, I'm wasted. 497 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: I'm wasting all wasting all the trials and tribulations because 498 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: somebody else can learn from that and they don't have 499 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: to step on those cracks that I made. What are 500 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: the challenges being back home? It's one thing to go 501 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: do your broadcasts a broad and someone else, right, are 502 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: their dual challenges being back on the campus and being 503 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: back home? H For me, the challenge was just um 504 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: focusing on what it is I wanted to go after 505 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: because I was home and that name, that NFL stuff 506 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 1: was still fresh, So there was a lot of hey, 507 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: can you you want to do this? Or has you 508 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: thought about that? And that's the other thing. Every opportunity 509 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: ain't gonna be your opportunity. You know, again going back 510 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: to the football adage, you know if you uh run 511 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: stopping d n you know, not to say you're not 512 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: gonna go out there and try to make some place, 513 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: but you're not gonna go out there and and cover 514 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: somebody as a as a cornerback. That's just not That's 515 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: not how you're gonna help the team, and that's not 516 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: how you're gonna help yourself. So figuring out what I 517 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: didn't want to do, even though I had a wealth 518 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: of opportunities, wealth of folks reaching out to me, Uh, 519 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: it was just great to get back there and connect. 520 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: But through also it gave me kind of the freedom 521 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: to start writing the children's books and coming up with 522 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: these different ideas and showing the guys that you know, 523 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: your options aren't only just being um, you know, a 524 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: broadcaster and a coach that is pretty much your only 525 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: Now you can you can be a podcast creator, you 526 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: can be a writer, you can be an illustrator. All 527 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: those things that used to interest you along with football, 528 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: you can go back and revive those interests now because 529 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,239 Speaker 1: you've got the time to do it. The guys that 530 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 1: you've had on your podcast Linkston particularly legends, do the 531 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: majority of them know about the benefits that are available? 532 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: What's the help benefits now? What's changes released the new 533 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: collective bargaining agreement? Do guys know about these things? Absolutely? Um, 534 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: you know it's always changing with the new collective Bargaining Agreement. 535 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 1: But one thing that we know for sure is that 536 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: the locker room, whether it be in person or virtual, 537 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: our network is really really powerful and so as great 538 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: as the NFL does a job of sharing the information 539 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 1: and let you know about your Cobra plan and all 540 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: these different things, and you have this opportunity to get 541 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: your colon screening and all these different things. A lot 542 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: of times guys are just busy living their lives, and 543 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: you know how it is when stuff is going on 544 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: in the world, you think it's like right here on 545 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: your head and you can't see past that. So for 546 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: a lot of guys, um, you know, sharing that information 547 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: with each other. I just had a conversation with a 548 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: guy today. Um, you know, he was a pretty successful 549 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: defensive alignment. He made a good substantial amount of money, 550 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 1: but he was unaware of the Gene Upshaw reimbursement plan. 551 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: And now again he hasn't gotten to the point where 552 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 1: he needs to start tapping into that. But I just 553 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: know for him that's going to be a phenomenal thing 554 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: because he also has children and kids, and so we know, 555 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: no matter how rich you are, you know kids, cause 556 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: whether it's healthcare, braces, you know, all those different things. 557 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of opportunities and a lot 558 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: of things for us out there that will help us 559 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: in our transition. We just gotta keep having those dialogues 560 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: between each other and reading those emails. Correct, do you 561 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 1: find a lot of them connected with the Legends community. 562 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 1: Connected with the Legends community? Social media? Big deal? Um, 563 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: of course, you guys have a presence on there, and 564 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: so seeing the information group chats these you know what's 565 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: that chats? You know, it's all just the chat room 566 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: to me, But you know that's that's the cool thing 567 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: is that guys will always share that information and say, 568 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: you know, make sure you're taking the care of this 569 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: or you know, same way with the coach man, go 570 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: see so and so because he got my forty time right. 571 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: And it's the same way with this call. Call so 572 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: and so at the benefits office. They can help you 573 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: out with these things. So again, I think that again 574 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: is one of our strongest resourcess each other and sharing 575 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: that information. For sure, I want to close out defensive 576 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: Lineman writing a children's book, a children's books, want to 577 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: understand a trilogy? Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, So to talk 578 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 1: about that man. So our first book was called Just 579 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: the Chicken Uh University of South Carolina. Our mascot is 580 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: the game Cockets, a glorified chicken. So that story in 581 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: itself is about a chicken that doesn't realize he's cocky 582 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: the mascot. So he goes around and compares himself to 583 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: all the other mascots in the SEC and he realized 584 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: he doesn't have to be like the alligator, or doesn't 585 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: have to be like the elephant, or he doesn't have 586 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: to be like the tigers, the Missouri or l s 587 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: U Tigers. He's fine with who he is, but until 588 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: he surrounds himself with other chickens will be like, no, 589 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: that's that's not the way to go. Comparing yourself is 590 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 1: gonna you know, that's just gonna leave you short. And 591 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: so that was our first book. Our second book it's 592 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: called just a Chicken Little uh. And so at South Carolina, 593 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: keeping with that theme, you know, we kind of think 594 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: there's a chicken curse and that we're doomed. Uh. You know, 595 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: just when things are going right, you know, the other 596 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: shoe is gonna drop. And there's a lot of people 597 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: who kind of have that same sentiment of life. So 598 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, um, you know who you are. A 599 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 1: lot of times people think, man, my life has been 600 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: going really good, something bad is gonna happen. The sky 601 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: is gonna follow me at any point, And no, that's 602 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: not the case. Good and bad happens at all the time. Um. 603 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: And so that's another one of the things we wanted 604 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: to create. And so our third book in this kind 605 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: of trilogy is going to be called EU Still was 606 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 1: a Rooster that doesn't cruel anymore, And it's pretty much 607 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: about the older statesman, the older game cock, coming back 608 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: and telling one of the younger game cocks who had 609 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: a little bit success was kind of resting on his 610 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: laurels that man, it's gonna say, the sun is gonna 611 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: set on you sooner than later. So you know it's 612 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,719 Speaker 1: your journey to go out there to pass the baton, 613 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: because that's the biggest thing talking about the legends, you know, 614 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: is this ability to pass the baton and do it 615 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: an efficient manner. That's the same way I think about 616 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 1: for my children, I think about it for anybody I 617 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 1: connect with, is that the sooner I can give you 618 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: the information and the mistakes and everything that I know, 619 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: so you get it and you internalize it. The faster 620 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 1: we can speed up this progression, you can go a 621 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: lot further. And so you know, it's always in it 622 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: about the exchange. So it's been really exciting to work 623 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: on those books. Um No, I can't draw. Just me 624 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: and my buddy, my former teammates. We work on the 625 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: words and and all the educational components behind it. But 626 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: we partnered up with a with a guy Kevin Roche, 627 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: who works for ESPN as a Carolina guy, So we 628 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: had a really good time just being creative and coming 629 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: up with these ideas and of course sharing these books 630 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: and showing kids that it's more possible for you to 631 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: write this book and publish a book than it is 632 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: for you to play in the NFL and be successful 633 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: at it. So maybe this is your ticket as opposed 634 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: to trying to be you know, a Nidius Williams or 635 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: something like that. So you play for lou Holts, Yes, sir, 636 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: So you gotta give us a couple of lou holtz Is. 637 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: I've heard so many people tell that God, man, give 638 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: us just a couple of give me two of we 639 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: we're gonna do rapid fire. Now give me a couple 640 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: of holes. Okay, Um, I can uh man. So many stories, 641 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: so many stories. Uh. One story, um, is a Lou 642 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: Holtz deal where one of our quarterbacks his name he 643 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: was He was a coach's son and he was a 644 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: walk on and he was on the team. And then 645 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: one of the first years lou Holtz was there. Uh, 646 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: the quarterback would always overthrow the wide receivers and the 647 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: coach stop. Coach Holt stop practice and said, hey, hey, Kimry, 648 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: you want to run forty yards for nothing. It's like, no, sir, 649 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: we don't overthrew there. So again that was loose deals 650 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: that he was. So he was so sharp, tongue sharp, 651 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: witted and just had it all together. Now now obviously 652 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: you know he had you know, thirty or forty plus 653 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: years and days and so many different guys. Um, you know, 654 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: louis phenomenal. Another one of great Leuism's is if you 655 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: want a frame, get a dog. You know what I'm saying, 656 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: like not And that takes at home with me because 657 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: that's the second my moms like, you know, you're my baby. 658 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: You can you can hate me all you want, but 659 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: you're always gonna come home. And that's kind of the 660 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: same way with Luke, and it's kind of the messoge 661 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: behind his madness was that lou wouldn't make it so 662 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: hard on you your freshman and sophomore year. When I 663 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: say hard, I mean discipline. And that's the last thing 664 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: you think eighteen ninety year old alpha males or they 665 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: think they're alpha males, are higher achievers then recruited being 666 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: courted by other universities, other grown men to have somebody 667 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: just tell you know, five minutes is five minutes early 668 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: is on time, and on time is late and late 669 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: as unheard of, and you know, things like that, giving 670 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: me um, you know, just a personal kind of mission 671 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: statement you know, talking about trustcar and commitment. Like I 672 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: didn't think I'd pick up those type of things unless 673 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: I went into the army, But I got that playing 674 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,719 Speaker 1: football holes and so those first couple of years are 675 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: really really tough, and like, man, I wanted to transfer. 676 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: I didn't come in for this. I came in for 677 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: the you know, to win some games, and oh, man, 678 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: we're not winning the football game. Oh this is really 679 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: really hard. But later on in life it was the 680 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: thing that got me through, you know, making a fifty 681 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: three man roster when you're by yourself, are you know 682 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,239 Speaker 1: when my mom passes away, understanding certain things that you know, 683 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: it's it's up to me to be responsible for these 684 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,239 Speaker 1: things now. So everything that he touted and propped up 685 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,239 Speaker 1: and showed in his books, that's what he gave us 686 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: every day. And the biggest thing I always tell people is, man, 687 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: I just wish I was writing more. I wish I 688 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: remembered more, because every day with Lou Holtz was a 689 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: fortune five hundred see sweet Sweet Sea level executive meeting 690 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: that a lot of times you just forget how lucky 691 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: you are to be there, and by the time you 692 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: figure out how lucky you are, it's over for you. 693 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: So that's the great thing with having a guy like 694 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: Lou Holtz and still being able to reach out to him, 695 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: but also reaching out to some of my past brothers 696 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: and in college that you get to hear and share 697 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: those stories like we do with the Legends. As I close, 698 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: I want to end with where people can connect with you, 699 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: your podcast, social media, where to get the book us. Yes, sir, 700 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: everything we have is on our our website athletes and 701 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: Artists dot net. It's Athletes and Artists dot net. And uh, 702 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: you know, the cool thing with with technology I learned 703 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: this with with just hanging around the kids is that 704 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: you know, we put everything with our hashtag on it. 705 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: So our our podcast hashtag button gut on any medium Instagram, 706 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: Twitter or whatever, you can pretty much find that. Uh 707 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: you know it used to be the tic tac toe 708 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: symbol for us is now a search engine tool that 709 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: that all the kids and everybody uses, so they can 710 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: find anything by using the hashtag button gut just a chicken, 711 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: Just a chicken, little hashtag um athletes and artists and 712 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: so we're on all of these mediums, and uh, we 713 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: try to make sure we get as much attention as 714 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: we can buy by retweeting and sharing all this stuff 715 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: and going on great podcasts like this and links and 716 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: this has been amazing. Thanks for joining us. The bestage 717 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: you have to come and keep up the great word. 718 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: Almost almost have tears man, the work that you're doing. 719 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: This has been fantastic. Links to greatly appreciate it. Keep 720 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: up the great work man. Thank you Mart. This has 721 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: been the NFL Legends podcast. To provide feedback or request 722 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: a topic for discussion, email us at NFL Legends at 723 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: NFL dot com