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Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah? And so much for that.

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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 1: It is Monday, October fifth, twenty twenty, Season sixteen, episode

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Speaker 1: number thirty seven. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break.

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Speaker 1: We've got forty five minutes here to talk to you

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Speaker 1: guys and try to make sense of what happened yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Cowboys lose forty nine thirty eight in a game that

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Speaker 1: was very similar to many games that we've seen them

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Speaker 1: play this season. They fall in a deep hole, they

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Speaker 1: managed to come back, they make it very interesting, and

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, they end up with

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Speaker 1: a loss. We're gonna start first with what we do

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Speaker 1: every Monday, where we're just gonna go around the table

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Speaker 1: and talk about what we think is the biggest storyline

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Speaker 1: coming out of this game. Nick, I see that somber

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Speaker 1: look on your face. I'm going I'm gonna start with

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Speaker 1: you and let you kind of have a little moment

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Speaker 1: time honestly trying to figure out something to say that that,

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Speaker 1: you know, the other two wouldn't say. The defense was terrible,

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Speaker 1: is terrible, has been terrible, was terrible, terrible or in

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Speaker 1: that game, and it's that's the problem. Can't stop the run.

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Speaker 1: I got a lot of friends that are that are coaches, college,

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Speaker 1: high school, probably pee wee, I don't know, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: they're all gonna tell you if you can't stop the run,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna lose. So Amber, you didn't have as much

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Speaker 1: much trepidation going to this game as many others did.

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Speaker 1: How do you feel today? You know a lot of

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Speaker 1: people for some reason are expecting me just to go

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Speaker 1: completely off and be mad and all that. But to

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Speaker 1: be honest, after watching the game again, I am not

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Speaker 1: mad at all. Like watching the game, it was just

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Speaker 1: I felt complete secondhand embarrassment. It was sad. I felt

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Speaker 1: so bad just watching the way that the defense was playing.

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Speaker 1: It was embarrassing. They just looked like a lost heard

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Speaker 1: The he looked like high school players playing against NFL players.

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Speaker 1: It was like the level was completely unmatched. There's absolutely

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Speaker 1: zero positive that the defense did nothing positive aside from

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Speaker 1: Aldon Smith put him aside, nobody else did absolutely anything.

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Speaker 1: And I just don't get how week by week you

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Speaker 1: just keep getting worse rather than improving. Day I was

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Speaker 1: gonna be so disappointed if Amber didn't know me to

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Speaker 1: actually ramp it up there, Like I was like, are

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Speaker 1: you kidding? After this game of all games, you're not mad? Okay? Um,

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Speaker 1: I just I'm gonna I'm gonna bounce off of what

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Speaker 1: I said Friday, which is that they're probably not a

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Speaker 1: very good team if they can't win this game, and

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Speaker 1: it changes my expectations of what they are. I came

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Speaker 1: into the season thinking this offense is gonna cook, This

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Speaker 1: offense is gonna score mid thirties and flirt with the

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Speaker 1: forties on a regular basis, and it's gonna give them

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Speaker 1: to be mediocre and they'll be a pretty good team.

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Speaker 1: If the Dallas Cowboys had the eighteenth best defense in

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Speaker 1: the league or the twentieth best defense in the league,

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Speaker 1: they'd have a winning record right now. But they're the

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Speaker 1: absolute worst like they are, and maybe I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure. I haven't looked at the statistics. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if they're updated yet. Even if they're not thirty second,

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Speaker 1: they should be. They're awful. That was that was so bad,

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Speaker 1: and it's going to hinder their ability to be competitive.

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Speaker 1: Like you know this, Like I said, if the defense

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Speaker 1: is obviously the run defense, and you guys all started

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Speaker 1: didn't matter if Nick Chubb was the running running back

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Speaker 1: the running game. Well, anytime you play a three four defense,

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Speaker 1: And what you sacrifice is that, Yeah, you have smaller

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Speaker 1: three years. Dave, how much blame do you give Mike Nolan?

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Speaker 1: and it can apply to coaches too. Is like I

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Speaker 1: they've given up the sixth highest point total through four

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Speaker 1: then in the second half they're playing free. And I

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Speaker 1: don't know I do there, but let's get very clear,

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Speaker 1: they need to hold onto the ball. Their ball security

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Speaker 1: is awful. I ran. Then I looked at the numbers

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Speaker 1: last night. They have nine turnovers through four games, and

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Speaker 1: obviously we know their defense isn't gonna meet that like,

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Speaker 1: they have to play cleaner football if they're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a chance. But they're not doing this because or at

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Speaker 1: least strictly because they're playing prevent defenses. That's that just

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Speaker 1: can't be the case based on what we've seen. They

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Speaker 1: got to play cleaner football. But this is an awesome

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Speaker 1: offense and it has shown that potential in all four

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Speaker 1: quarters of all four games. What do you think, Amber,

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Speaker 1: I just think it's more of a factor of the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys limiting their mistakes, because I mean, when you look

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Speaker 1: at all the games, you can't tell me that there

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Speaker 1: is a huge drop in the way that the defense

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Speaker 1: you're the defense is not just all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: big enough of a drop, rather than the Cowboys actually

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Speaker 1: just trying to limit their mistakes and making it happen

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Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna take our first break. When we

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Speaker 1: now we're at the moments that matter. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the second segment of the breakelock in nest WBC Mortgage Studios.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go around the room and everybody's gonna give

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Speaker 1: us a moment that mattered in this game. Nicholas start

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Speaker 1: first with you, Okay, I think I'm going In the

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Speaker 1: late of the first quarter, the Cowboys have a fourteen

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Speaker 1: seven lead. It's the largest lead they've had in the

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Speaker 1: entire season at that point, and the Browns have got

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Speaker 1: the ball on first and twenty and because of holding penalties,

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Speaker 1: first and twentieth of their own thirty eight five yard

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Speaker 1: passed and the flat Austin Hooper and he's tackled like

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Speaker 1: he's going down, you know. Don Wilson has him and

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Speaker 1: Jalen Smith decides he wants to jump in on the

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Speaker 1: pile and face mask, and so that obviously first down

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Speaker 1: for Cleveland instead of second and fifteen, which is so

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00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: important because you know, then it prevents them from really

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Speaker 1: having to run much. Put it on Baker Mayfield's hand,

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00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: get him uncomfortable. We saw when he's uncomfortable, he doesn't

519
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Speaker 1: really make great decisions. You get the ball back up seven,

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Speaker 1: you can go score, and now you're playing the way

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Speaker 1: you want to play and Cleveland can't play the way

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Speaker 1: they obviously played. But that penalty changed everything. Cleaving Gainst

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Speaker 1: the ball drives down ties the game, and then the

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Speaker 1: floodgates were open after that. But I thought that was

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Speaker 1: a huge turning point. You got him backed up at

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Speaker 1: first and twenty and there's no need, there's no reason

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Speaker 1: to mask, there's no reason for you to even touch him.

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Speaker 1: He didn't even have to tackle him because the guy

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Speaker 1: was already gonna go down. Yeah, that was a huge

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Speaker 1: moment that mattered for me. Yeah, it's as I go

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Speaker 1: back and look at this game, one of the people

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Speaker 1: that stands out the most to me, as I guess

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Speaker 1: you can call him culprits is Jalen Smith. I just

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Speaker 1: think he is not playing good football, and it really

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Speaker 1: does make me wonder about his future here with the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: because he just does There's a lot of things he's

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Speaker 1: got to correct in his game, and I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: he can. Be quite honest with you, all right, let's

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Speaker 1: go to you Amber. What was the moment of the

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Speaker 1: moment that mattered for you? Oh? Well, we basically already

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Speaker 1: talked about it a little bit. It was the sack

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Speaker 1: that the sack slash fumble that Myles Garrett was able

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Speaker 1: to create because of just the tacking tern Still, but

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Speaker 1: to get to that point, I think that was the

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Speaker 1: critical point of the game where everything just kind of

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00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: started changing because you had the Cowboys offense scoring points.

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Speaker 1: They were tied in the game fourteen fourteen at that moment,

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Speaker 1: but you know, regardless of being tight, that was the

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Speaker 1: first time that or not the first time, but at

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Speaker 1: least the Cowboys starting off with some kind of tempo

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Speaker 1: and being able to keep up with the opponent. Now,

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Speaker 1: at that point, they get the sack, they recovered the ball,

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Speaker 1: Cleveland goes back and scores a touchdown, and then what

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Speaker 1: happens the Cowboys offense after that was not able to

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Speaker 1: score anything else until the fourth quarter of the game.

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Speaker 1: For some reason, that just completely threw their game away

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Speaker 1: and they just could not get it moving again, could

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Speaker 1: not figure it out until the fourth quarter. So that

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Speaker 1: was a huge moment for me where I just saw

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Speaker 1: just a whole turning point of the offense. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: interesting to me that I think we all agreed that

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Speaker 1: we thought Night was the better of between he and Steel,

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Speaker 1: and from the moment they put Night in the game,

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Speaker 1: he wasn't perfect, but it did seem like a lot

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Speaker 1: of things settled down with regards to the pressure that

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Speaker 1: was coming at that Prescott. Is that what you guys thow?

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Speaker 1: Do you think this was a game where once a

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Speaker 1: Night got in, Night played substantially better there at the

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Speaker 1: right tackle position day What do you think? That's how

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Speaker 1: I've felt about Brandon Knight every time he's had to

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Speaker 1: go in, going back to last year, Like I feel

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Speaker 1: like people forget this because last year was so disappointing,

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Speaker 1: but like we had to do this song and dance

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Speaker 1: for two or three weeks last season and Brandon Knight

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00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,719
Speaker 1: held up just fine. Yeah, definitely not perfect, but fine,

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Speaker 1: And that's what it was. And again, I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: very crazy to me how everybody was calling for Brandon

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Speaker 1: Knight and everybody wanted to see somebody besides Darry and Thompson,

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Speaker 1: and those guys were basically playing on the shortest leashes,

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Speaker 1: like they made one or two mistakes and they're gone,

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Speaker 1: which leads you to believe that the coaching staff agreed

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Speaker 1: with us about that. But they put him out there anyway,

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Speaker 1: which is mystifying to me, Like if their leash was

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00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: that short, maybe you should just try the guy behind him.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand the logic there at all, And there's

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Speaker 1: more to it than that, because Beyondish was saying that

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Speaker 1: that he got some snaps in practice and that was

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Speaker 1: going to happen with him. I bet you Luney didn't

589
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: have a short leash either. I mean he did have

590
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: shortly yeah, and then um but but and then the

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00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: same with Night and Steel, which means if they're both

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Speaker 1: getting practice reps, then I mean make a decision because

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00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: they need the practice. Steel is only gonna get fifty

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Speaker 1: percent of the reps, and you know Night's getting fifty

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00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: percent of the reps. Somebody should get one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: of the reps at this point, I mean, figure it

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Speaker 1: out and go with it. If it's beyond go with

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00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: it because he needs all of the reps he can

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Speaker 1: get during the practice Weekum, and we'll talk about Beardish later,

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Speaker 1: but but it's the same type of thing, like they're

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Speaker 1: so unsure what they want to do. And Donovan Wilson

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Speaker 1: got a lot of reps as well, So it's like,

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Speaker 1: make a make a decision here because whoever's practice needs

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Speaker 1: to practice one hundred percent of the time. All right,

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna move on to my moment that mattered,

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Speaker 1: And to me, this is one of the players that

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Speaker 1: has got forgotten in this game. But I think it

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00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: was a huge play. I think it actually could have

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00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: changed the outcome of this game to some degree. You

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00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: had four or two left in the third quarter, Cleveland's

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00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: up thirty eight to fourteen. Cleveland has the ball. It's

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Speaker 1: third and four at the Cleveland forty. Mayfield throws a

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Speaker 1: pass to Hilliard for two yards, which would have made

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Speaker 1: it fourth in two at the Cleveland What would that

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00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: have been the Cleveland forty two. Joe Thomas puts a

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00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: big hit on him and he's called for unnecessary roughness.

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Speaker 1: But I actually think the call that got missed there

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Speaker 1: is actually it should have been an interception. In my opinion,

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Speaker 1: I think if you watch that play, he grabs the

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Speaker 1: ball when they both are on the ground and touching,

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Speaker 1: which would signal to play is over. He actually had

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Speaker 1: possession of the ball, and I don't think that it

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Speaker 1: was a situation that he was that he necessarily had

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Speaker 1: unnecessary roughness because the ball kept him from having helmet

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Speaker 1: to helme in contact. So all that being considered, I

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00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: think the miss call here was it should not have

627
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: been an unnecessary roughness. It should would not have been

628
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: or should have been an interception. And right there, if

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00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: Dallas gets the ball right there, that saves him a

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00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: bunch of time. Cleveland actually goes down and get to

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00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: field goal there. So Cowboys would have maybe been in

632
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: a situation where they were tying at thirty eight thirty eight.

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Speaker 1: Maybe then they don't decide to do whatever that was

634
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: with the kick that. I don't really know what you

635
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: call that, but I think it changes so much about

636
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: what happened in the latter parts of the games, and

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00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,719
Speaker 1: I don't think it's being talked about nearly enough. From

638
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: the standpoint of that was a pivotal moment and a

639
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: great play by Joe Thomas that basically got negated by

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Speaker 1: what I thought was somewhat of a phantom call. Yeah,

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00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: I agree with that. And I asked them after the

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00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: game and he said it was a bang bang play

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00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: is what it is. You know, it's unfortunate, and then

644
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: he was like it was a terrible call. I was like, okay, good,

645
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: glad we all agree that. I actually said, like the

646
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: last thing I said last night before I went to

647
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: bed was like, it's funny. And here's why. What my

648
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: answer to your question, Derek would be people aren't talking

649
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: about it because it's hard to get riled up about

650
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: that injustice when the defense played that poorly, like and

651
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, like bad call should have been a pick.

652
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: It's one of my least favorite things in football. I

653
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: really think the game moves so fast that referees just

654
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: use like benchmarks to make calls. Like literally, I think

655
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: the ref was like, whoa, that sounded like a hard hit.

656
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: That's probably a flag and it's such trash, it's garbage,

657
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: Like there was no he didn't use his crown, there

658
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: was no like intent to harm. He didn't like spear him.

659
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: He just made a really great play and wound up

660
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: with the ball and got penalized for it. It's utter trash.

661
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: At the same time, you give up three hundred and

662
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: seven rushing yards and forty nine points. It's I just

663
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to get too worked up about it. Well,

664
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: and also, I would imagine seventy five percent of those

665
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: calls that happened like that are getting thrown from the sideline,

666
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: with every person on that sideline saying helmet, the helmet,

667
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: legal hit, all that kind of stuff, and and and

668
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: then I think that the guy has to throw it,

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00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: you know, he feels like he has to throw it.

670
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: But it's like, why do they have helmets on if

671
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: they don't they bump heads. I mean, it happens. I

672
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: mean football players, they run into each other. That's why

673
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: they wear helmets. And I don't I just don't think

674
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: that that is should be called every single time. Um,

675
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: it's just not a fifteen yard penalty. I mean that

676
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: these guys are moving so fast and then they go

677
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 1: and then they replay it and they slow it down

678
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh my god, look look look what

679
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: this guy did. When it happens so quick, yeah, I

680
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: think Dave was right on the indicator part. Like, I

681
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: think the referee sees the guy's head jerked back and

682
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: they assume that that Joe Thomas's helmet hit the receiver's

683
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: helmet and that's what causes head to go back. In

684
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: this instance, the ball was between them. Yeah, so it

685
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: was actually the ball that probably jarred his hit. And

686
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: there was obviously force coming from Joe Thomas, but it

687
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: was not a helmet to helmet hit. And that's where

688
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: I look at this and I'm like, I think when

689
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: you use the indicators, you're gonna come up in situations

690
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 1: where it's not going to be right in it. Once again,

691
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 1: I think that's where the college team. The college team

692
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: has it a little bit better to do because they

693
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: will review those kinds of things and they will be

694
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: able to reverse them if they feel like it wasn't

695
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: targeting or if scoring players are reviewable. I think, you know,

696
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: personal foul fifteen yard penalties should be reviewable too, because

697
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: what if he didn't grab his face mask? You know,

698
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: like you think he did, but what if he didn't. No,

699
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 1: I mean just play no, No, I'm just saying, what

700
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: if one of those things happened, though, I mean that

701
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 1: that that changes everything day. So what was your moment

702
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 1: that mattered. It's funny because like I feel weird saying

703
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: that it. I mean it did, but it's it's after

704
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: all of this has happened. Like really, the game obviously

705
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: got away from him in the second quarter in my opinion,

706
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: with the way the defense is playing. But I mean,

707
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: you know, Beam Beckham's play to ice the game was

708
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: just so it was such a fitting encapsulation of how

709
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: terrible this all was. You know, it's forty one thirty eight,

710
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: they're cooking three forty two to play. You got one

711
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: time out. You don't even have to be perfect to

712
00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: get the ball back, Like you can give up a

713
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: first down and still get the ball back. You can

714
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: give up a field goal and still give your offense

715
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: the ball down six with you know, a minute and

716
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: some change to play. That's what everybody was thinking, right,

717
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: and then literally one play, one play end around Odell Beckham.

718
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 1: Alden Smith is the only member of the front seven

719
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: who properly diagnoses what's going on. I'm not gonna hate

720
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: on Alden Smith for not being able to tackle Odell

721
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: Beckham in the open field like, that's a mismatch. But

722
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: then you get up field. Odell picks up the first down,

723
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: Big deal, he's on the sideline. You push him out

724
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: of bounds. You live to fight another down. It's not

725
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: over yet. Oops. Never mind. The entire back seven overruns

726
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: the play. Diggs, Joe Thomas, Joe Thomas takes out you

727
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: can go look at it. Joe Thomas takes out the blocker,

728
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: which probably not great, but at least he's getting somebody

729
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: out of the way. Like two other guys overrun the play,

730
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: Trayvon Diggs. I think it is. Somebody runs out of

731
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: bounds thinking the play is over, and then Jerk's head

732
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: back around like, oh crap, wait the guy with the

733
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: ball still going, you know, Jalen Smith is laid getting there,

734
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: and now Adell's in the end zone on a fifty

735
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 1: yard touchdown. And it was just symptomatic of how awful

736
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: they were all day, and it was just it was

737
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: a very fitting way to take Hope out of the game.

738
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 1: I mean, it was breathtaking. You think about that, Dave,

739
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 1: and you think about playing defense in NFL. You actually

740
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: have an extra defender. It's called the sideline, and so

741
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: you should always defender. When a guy's running towards the sideline,

742
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: you should be using the sideline to your advantage so

743
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: you don't overrun the play going out of bounds. You

744
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: stay inbounds and force him to have to run out

745
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: of bounds because the sideline is your friend. They all,

746
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: like three or four guys completely overrun the play and

747
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: end up out of bounds, and it was just baffling

748
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: to me. And the guy that should have overrun the

749
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: play is Alden Smith, you know, because because he actually

750
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: tries to make the tackle, if he actually overruns the play,

751
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: I can promise you you know. I'm not saying Odell's

752
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: like Dion Sanders business decision, but he doesn't want to

753
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: run the ball between the tackles. So if you forced

754
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: him to cut, because he could have done that and

755
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: he to have to cut back through the middle and

756
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: then he's probably gonna dive and get get out of that,

757
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: he doesn't want any part of that, which I would.

758
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: I don't blame him, but that's unfortunately. I don't blame

759
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: Alden Smith for that. But if he could have taken

760
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: a different angle and forced him back inside, then that

761
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: would have kind of blown the whole play up. But

762
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: you know, the one thing I will say, I think

763
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 1: in that instance, all them did what he should have done,

764
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: which is if you notice like he forced Beckham to

765
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: take a track that was going backwards, like he went

766
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: backwards to come from Odell can do that. That's my point.

767
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: He didn't. But my point is this defense, any defense,

768
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: when you've got a guy who gets the ball on

769
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: an end of round, which is a slow developing play,

770
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: you made him go backwards and then come forward. The

771
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: fact that none of them could get in position to

772
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: then be able to tackle him, that just even more

773
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: shows you just how bad they were on that be

774
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this then, if if it's first

775
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: and ten at the fifty, the Browns still run a

776
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: reverse on first and ten at the twenty five, well,

777
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: that's a good question because that brings up the whole

778
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: idea of what the Cowboys did there after they got

779
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: to that forty one thirty eight point. And I don't

780
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: know if you call it an on side kick. I

781
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: don't know if you call it a squip kick. Whatever

782
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: they did gave the Cleveland Browns the ball in the fifty,

783
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: and so that is a fair question. Do you think

784
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: that if the Cowboys would have kicked it off traditionally

785
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: and Cleveland's taking the ball at their own twenty five,

786
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: if they're a bit more conservative in their play calling,

787
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: knowing that they got to go seventy five yards, and

788
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: they may be thinking, let's take time off the clock,

789
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: let's let's do things that are that are a little

790
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: bit more conservative. What do you think amber there? I mean,

791
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: at this point, I'm just listening to you guys, and

792
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, yeah, a lot of things could have

793
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: gone differently, and maybe one single play could have changed

794
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: the game, but there were there were so so many

795
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,439
Speaker 1: different things that happen all throughout the game that I

796
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: don't know if something like that would have made a

797
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: big difference, or at least enough of a difference to

798
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: get the Cowboys with a win. At this point, I'm

799
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: kind of over the whole game and I'm just looking, Okay,

800
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: what do the Cowboys need to do this week? Moving forward?

801
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: I get that they're about to play the Giants and

802
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: they're a lot terrible right now, but they need to

803
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: figure out and my biggest question right now is what

804
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: is the biggest change that needs to happen? And I

805
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: get it, and I keep seeing that fans keep asking

806
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 1: about Earl Thomas, and I don't. I guess people expect

807
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: that you get Earl Thomas and then the whole defense

808
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: is just gonna magically change and be fixed. I don't

809
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: know exactly what all needs to happen. Do you guys

810
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: have an answer? As far's just the defense overall, forget

811
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: those specific moments, just defense overall. What do you do

812
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: to fix it in the next two weeks at least? Well,

813
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold you on that because that's a topic

814
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: that we're gonna hit tomorrow. Can we have a lot

815
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: more time to dive into it and uh and really

816
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: diagnose what we think of the things that they can

817
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 1: actually change? Dave you as I'm you're about to say,

818
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, play bad teams, which they will.

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00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: They will play bada. That will help for next week.

820
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: But we do I do think it's a valid question, No, Amber,

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Speaker 1: And I think it takes a lot more than the

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Speaker 1: four minutes we got left, because I think that's a

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00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: that's a much bigger question. We start talking about what

824
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Speaker 1: can fix this defense? Because they are historically bad right now?

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Speaker 1: let's try to get a question squeezed in here, Amber,

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Speaker 1: What do you have from fans? They're happy? There's actually

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Speaker 1: I've seen a couple of these questions, and Derek, you

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Speaker 1: and I were talking about this yesterday. But here's the

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Speaker 1: question that I guess we're trying to understand is why

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Speaker 1: we've seen so many of these defenders play better than

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Speaker 1: this in the past and then right now they're just

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Speaker 1: worse than we've seen before. So we know that there

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Speaker 1: is talent there, but why a guy like the Marcus Lawrence,

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Speaker 1: for example, Jalen Smith, who hasn't been necessarily great, but

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Speaker 1: he's played better better. Why guys like that just not

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Speaker 1: playing the part this year. You know, I think it's

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Speaker 1: a fair question, and I want to hear what Nick

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Speaker 1: and Dave have to say, but I think it's a

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Speaker 1: fair question because when you look at it like they're playing,

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Speaker 1: like like I said before the break, historically bad, and

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Speaker 1: for me, it makes me at least look and say

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Speaker 1: just I don't get this, like I'm making mental My

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Speaker 1: mental awareness is not there. There's something going on that

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Speaker 1: goes beyond just how you play with regards to how

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Speaker 1: this defense is playing as a unit. You agree with that,

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Speaker 1: disagree with that, Dave, I'm sorry, Nick, start with you.

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Speaker 1: I agree. I think that there's something missing, and I

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Speaker 1: think what was missing is probably the installation period that

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Speaker 1: they had having to do this on the run. Now.

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Speaker 1: a lot of things are going against them, and it

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Speaker 1: just it's not helping. Number One, their injuries at very

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Speaker 1: key positions and multiple injuries at those positions. Number two,

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Speaker 1: the lack of the installation I think really helped. But three,

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Speaker 1: and most importantly, these players are aren't aren't as good.

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Speaker 1: I mean the like they're just not as good, and

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Speaker 1: I guess if you could say four, the Mike Nolan's

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Speaker 1: track record hasn't been that great as a defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 1: So you add all of those things together and you're

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Speaker 1: getting you're getting record setting defenses, not in the good way, Dave.

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Speaker 1: I agree with everything Nick just said. I do. I

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Speaker 1: particularly in the case of Jalen Smith. Like I mean,

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Speaker 1: I still think I think DeMarcus is still a pretty

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Speaker 1: good player. He's not. He's not justifying the salary right now,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not I'm not watching him like damn, where

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Speaker 1: where is the guy from two years ago? That's how

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Speaker 1: I feel watching Jalen Smith. To be very honest with you,

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Speaker 1: you know, I can't help but think of the play

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Speaker 1: he made in Houston in twenty eighteen. I think was

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Speaker 1: week five or week six, fourth down, or maybe it

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Speaker 1: sticks to try to pick it up, and Jalen just

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Speaker 1: fetched him and smashed him on the sideline to stop it.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Smith's not making that play in twenty twenty. I

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Speaker 1: don't think he could have made it last year either,

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Speaker 1: and it it's painfully obvious when you watch and I

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Speaker 1: don't have an answer. I don't know what happened. I

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Speaker 1: don't know why he doesn't seem to have that burst.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, his instincts, they haven't always been bad,

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Speaker 1: but that's always been the part of his game that

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Speaker 1: he needed to develop. And it seemed in twenty eighteen

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Speaker 1: like his athleticism was going to allow him to compensate

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Speaker 1: for that. And we're just not seeing it. And we

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Speaker 1: didn't see it last year, and it doesn't seem different

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Speaker 1: this year. And you know, we can go back to

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Speaker 1: the summer. Nick said every week that Mike Nolan's got

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Speaker 1: You got to figure out a different way to use

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Speaker 1: him or a way to employ him that that makes

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Speaker 1: him better. And it's not happening through the first month

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Speaker 1: of the season. And it's it's really weird to watch

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Speaker 1: because I do I think he was a really good

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Speaker 1: linebacker in twenty eighteen. Maybe that's because he had Layton

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Speaker 1: it's because he had more burst in that knee. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, but he's not the same player, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's it's probably the biggest problem facing this defense

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Speaker 1: right now in terms of production, but also the way

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Speaker 1: that you manage your cap and the dollars and all

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Speaker 1: of that stuff. It's a problem on a lot of

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Speaker 1: different levels in my opinion. Yeah, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 1: once they get Layton and once they get Sean Lee

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Speaker 1: back from injury, I would not be shocked at all

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Speaker 1: if those are your two linebackers the majority of the

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Speaker 1: game when you're playing Nickel, I think right now, the

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Speaker 1: way the way Jalen Smith is playing right now suggests

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Speaker 1: that that he just is He is a He's a

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Speaker 1: much bigger part of the problem than he is a

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Speaker 1: part of the solution. And I'll be interested to see

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Speaker 1: what happens when those other guys are back and available.

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Speaker 1: And I'm wondering right now, I told you this, Nick

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Speaker 1: this morning after I went back and watched a lot

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Speaker 1: of the play plays back on television. I'm wondering at

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Speaker 1: this point if you though some of those younger linebackers

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Speaker 1: can give you more than what you're getting right now

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Speaker 1: with Jalen. That's how poorly I think he's playing. And again,

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Speaker 1: you might have somebody who's a coach that who's more

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Speaker 1: in depth has more knowledge of this than I do.

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Speaker 1: Who may say, hey, it's not really him all the

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Speaker 1: time that you think it's him, But all I know

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Speaker 1: is what i'm seeing just suggested he's leaving a light

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Speaker 1: out there. And I'll challenge you to do this if

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Speaker 1: you want to know kind of you want to be

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Speaker 1: able to look at the difference, watch a Cowboys game,

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Speaker 1: watch that game yesterday, and then go watch a Seahawks

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Speaker 1: game and look at those linebackers in both games. Just

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Speaker 1: watch the linebacker play. You will see the difference of

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Speaker 1: what I'm talking about in how he plays linebacker and

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Speaker 1: how those linebackers, and those are some of the better

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Speaker 1: linebackers in the league. I'm just saying you will see

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Speaker 1: the delta between the two. But you know, they drafted

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Speaker 1: round linebacker in the second round, and Jalen Smith hoping

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Speaker 1: that he would come back. So they've invested linebackers to

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Speaker 1: be really good. So I don't know if that's really

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Speaker 1: an unfair comparison to say, well, Seattle's got great linebackers.

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Speaker 1: The Cowboys invested enough to have great line actress as well,

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Speaker 1: and therefore it hasn't happened. I'm not ready to just

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Speaker 1: jump on this jail and thing like everyone else is

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Speaker 1: and say he's that bad. I don't know yet. I

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Speaker 1: don't need to watch. Let's ask Bucky on Wednesday, because

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Speaker 1: he says that he was playing as good as anyway.

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Speaker 1: I bet he changes his answer. I guess he's not

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Speaker 1: gonna say that. And when we get around having that

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Speaker 1: conversation Wednesday. All right, we appreciate you guys, Jonas. We'll

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Speaker 1: be back tomorrow. As Amber told you, we're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: a little bit about how we solve this thing. Of course,

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Speaker 1: we're not gonna be any of the meetings, but we're

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Speaker 1: gonna give you some Bring some answers. Please bring some answers.

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Speaker 1: So let's figure it out between two day and all right,

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