1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 2: Breakfast Club Morning, everybody is j n V Jess hilarious, 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 2: Schela mean the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 2: got a special guest in the buildings. Indeed TI tribute. 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 2: Welcome brother, Thanks having me. 6 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: What's up y'all? Y'all? 7 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 2: Congratulations They just won a Grammy twenty twenty four Grammy 8 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 2: for this gospel album. 9 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: So congratulations. Yeah, three in total. Man, I'm so hype 10 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: about that and excited. You know, Uh, it wasn't needed, 11 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: but it's it's appreciated. 12 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 3: Do you pray for stuff like that? 13 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: Noah? I used to. Okay, Okay, I used to, but 14 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: I had to get my you know, uh, the reason 15 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: why I do what I do. I had to get 16 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: that in order. I had to you know, yeah, intention exactly. 17 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: Last year I was nominated for two Grammys, and I 18 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: just knew I was gonna walk away with at least one. 19 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: And when I walked away with none, it was like 20 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 1: a soul check for me, Like, all right, well, why 21 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: do you do what you do? Bro? You gotta just 22 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: just kind of re evaluate all of that stuff. So 23 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: I kind of like stopped needing it or stop wanting it. 24 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: So bad and stopped so ambitiously going for it just 25 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: to the reason why I do what I do, have 26 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: fun doing it. Bless the people, show love, give him 27 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: Christ and uh this year when I walked away with it, Yo, 28 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: we literally sat like in the back. Because the Gospels, 29 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: they don't present the gospel on the on the grammy, 30 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: we got the pre warn they could do. It was 31 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: like nine o'clock in the morning, you know what I'm saying. 32 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: I had to wake up on early. And we went 33 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: to the pre show and it's open seating there, so 34 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: you can see anywhere you want. So my manager like, YO, 35 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: come on, let's let's go to the front. Bro. I'm like, nah, man, 36 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna sit back here. We're gonna take an 37 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 1: l I don't like that long walk of shame. It's 38 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: too far, so let's just stay close to the exit. 39 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:30,479 Speaker 1: So we was in the back chill, and I got 40 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: it all on video and they called on everybody's name. 41 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: Of course when they call my name, I was like 42 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: what because I was really content. I had to learn 43 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: really just to be content, because you know, being overly 44 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: ambitious is rob your gratitude. Then you just get on 45 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: and feel like going down that rabbit hole, so you 46 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: have to take that long walk up to the stage. 47 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: I had to take that. I was running like, oh 48 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: my goodness, trying to figure out what I'm gonna say 49 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: on the way because I literally didn't respect to win, 50 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: but you know I was gonna beat. Had to show 51 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: them how to be a good, sore loser in christ. 52 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 4: But I'm just proud of you every time you nominated. 53 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 4: Thirteen nomination is that crazy? 54 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: Yeah? 55 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 5: So even without winning the awards, I'm like, you're recognized 56 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 5: like by so many to be nominated thirteen times. 57 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 4: True? 58 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: True, I love that. After a while, you just get 59 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: used to I should start celebrating the nominations, you know 60 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: what I. 61 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 5: Mean, because it's a lot of people that don't make 62 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 5: it there either exactly or. 63 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: You just pile up the l Yeah thirteen but I 64 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: lost them. 65 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 4: No, yeah albums. Your work touched a lot of souls. 66 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: Thank you for that, you know. 67 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 4: To me, I love that. 68 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: I love doing what I do and why I do it. 69 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. People leave my shows, they're 70 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: not just turned up, but they got hope, you know 71 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: what I mean. They got inspiration, you know what I mean? 72 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: And they're healing and all of that's taking place. So 73 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: I love what I do and why I do it. Man, 74 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: it's a blessing. 75 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 3: And you're from Camden, Camden, New Jersey, bro and you 76 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 3: lived there your whole life. 77 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, in Florida, then Houston for a year in Florida. Okay, yeah, 78 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: so growing up in Can then you know, well, if 79 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: you don't know, y'all should know here. You know New York, 80 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: y'all know about Can. 81 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 3: Now to ask God why? 82 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: So many days I have got why? But I had to. 83 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: I had to get it in the trenches. I had 84 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: to learn in the gun how to. I had to 85 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: learn how to be in the valley before you be 86 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: in the mountain. You know what I'm saying. So so 87 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: I can know what it is to struggle, so I 88 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: can know what it is to be impoverished. So I 89 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: can know what it is you know what I mean 90 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: to be underprivileged. So when it happened for me, I 91 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: could reach back and say, hey, this is how you 92 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: do it, This is how you come up and help others. 93 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 4: Man. 94 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 3: I think it takes people like you, because when I 95 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 3: see somebody like you have the success that they have 96 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 3: from Camden, you really don't hear a lot of good 97 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 3: things about Cam. 98 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, for real, this murder capital of the world sometime, 99 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: or the most violent city. I remember those stats growing up, like, hey, 100 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: Cam's on the map. We in the newspaper for what, 101 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: oh most violent city? You know what I mean. That's 102 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: not in Baltimore. Probably not too different. No shade to Baltimore. Love, 103 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: I love, yeah, everybody you know coming up coming out 104 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: of that, you know, I'm glad I had like the 105 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: little family church. We had, little fifty member family church 106 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: that we had just kept us ground and kept us focused. 107 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: And I was just like tunnel vision the whole time, 108 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: and slowly but surely I just saw myself not like 109 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: my surroundings. Now, that was a challenge in itself, because 110 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: you don't know you're different until you know you different, 111 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: And then you know you got family to deal with 112 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: and friends to deal with who are like, oh, don't 113 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: change on us, d da da da. But bro, if 114 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: I don't change, I can't help you, you know what 115 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: I'm saying. So that was a challenge for me at 116 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: a very young age, knowing I can now when I 117 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: was talented, knowing I could play, knowing I could do 118 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: music and knowing it was what's the word extraordinary, It 119 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: wasn't just normal. So that change was a challenge, but 120 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: you know, I'm glad that all things work together were good. 121 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 3: Man. 122 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: I want to ask you know what I'm saying. 123 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 2: With being a gospel singer, do you feel like it's 124 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 2: a lot of pressure on you where it's almost like 125 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: people look at your life differently right, Like it's almost 126 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 2: like they want you to be perfect. Did you have 127 00:04:58,080 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: a hard time dealing with that? 128 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: Dealt with that before I became a gospel artist. So 129 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: speaking of growing up in this small church, my grandmother 130 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: was the pastor. First, my dad was on the organ. 131 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: I'm watching him every Sunday, like, oh my god, this 132 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: guy is amazing. I start playing. Then he became the pastor. 133 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: So I got that pressure as a PK the perfection, 134 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: all of that, all of that. I got all of 135 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: that pressures as a young kid, like twelve nine when 136 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: I was. Since I was, since I've been born, spotlight 137 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: has been on me to be the poster child for 138 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: what Christ is. I'm like, yo, the worst why pressure though? 139 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 3: Because of the damn too much hand comes leads the rebellion. 140 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: Man, you know, what I mean that legalism and that 141 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: religious structure. It leads to like, yo, I'm not cut 142 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: out for this. I didn't sign up for this. Y'all 143 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: sign up for this, and the expectation is too much 144 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,239 Speaker 1: for me. Yo, So I just rebel. People go completely 145 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: opposite of the ways that their parents bring them up 146 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: when you bring them up too strict. I came up 147 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: the same way. I had the pressure of perfection and 148 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,679 Speaker 1: I tried to live up to it until my parents 149 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 1: got a divorce and I'm like, WHOA. In my day 150 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: that was like, you know, it's normal now every day, 151 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: it happens every day. Back then, it was like a 152 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: culture shock for me. It shattered my whole world. I 153 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,679 Speaker 1: was like, bump the church. Then, what I'm doing there? 154 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: Why am I being fable to God in it? Man? 155 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: My dad? I'm out, you know what I'm saying. That's 156 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,239 Speaker 1: when I went to all the clubs, did all that stuff. 157 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: I didn't dance though, I just played at all the clubs. 158 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: I didn't, you know, I still didn random smoked. I 159 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: just went and played the keyboard at all the club 160 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: for like music soul Child Jill Scott. Everybody in the 161 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: Philadelphia area of the roots and all that stuff. So 162 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: I'm in there playing hymns to the beasts. They don't 163 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: even know what I'm doing. But I kind of had 164 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: my little rebellious moment during that time, just to find 165 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: out who I am outside of y'all expectations. Man, I said, 166 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: of who y'all saying God is to me, let me 167 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: find them for myself. Let me figure out who you're 168 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: for myself. And it's been the most liberating thing. And 169 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: I've been walking in that since. 170 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 3: I feel like that's a journey, and that's a formal 171 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 3: liberation every human has to experience in their life. You 172 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 3: and you should like strive to feel that. 173 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: No literally, whether you're religious or a church or not. 174 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: Just the family, just family bond, you know what I mean. 175 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: Bloods all of that family can bind you. Bro Family 176 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: can keep you stuck in a level that you never 177 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: supposed to be in for the rest of your life. 178 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: People who love you can bind you through their care, 179 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: through their love, through their expectations, through manipulation, through emotional manipulation. 180 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: It's a whole lot of things that keep us from 181 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: being who we're supposed to be in this earth because 182 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: of other people's expectations and demand. So I'm all about freedom, man. 183 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: My My whole life is freedom. My whole mantra is 184 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: about freedom. So when you when you you know, contact 185 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: me or hear my music, people think it's energy. I 186 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: like to call it the spirit of freedom, man, liberating everybody, 187 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: and you need that. When you don't know you bound, 188 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: that's the worst. When you don't know you're bound, that 189 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: is the worst. When you become used to being manipulated, 190 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: used to being controlled, used to being used. You can 191 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: either be used or loved. You can't be both. You 192 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: could either be used or love. And a lot of 193 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: people are being used and not realizing they're not experiencing 194 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: true love man. So they just just get used to 195 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: being used, like all right, I'll do this for you, 196 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: I'll come through for you, I'll do it whenever you 197 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: call me, I'm there. And they think that's that's love. 198 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: But a lot of them are being used. 199 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 3: Did a lot of those triggers resurface in your marriage 200 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 3: when you separated? 201 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah. Well me and my wife separated. 202 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: It was it was it was bad, yo, it was. 203 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 1: It was very very bad for me because I didn't 204 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: think my whole thing when my father messed up with 205 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: my dad, I'm like, I ain't never gonna be like him. 206 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: I'm never gonna do that. No, no, no, So I 207 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: went the pride way. So my heart just really was like, 208 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I got more exposure than 209 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: he ever got. I got more notiot than he ever got. 210 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: And I'm still ain't gonna do what he did. I'm 211 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: still letting that pride comes before a fall. And I 212 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: fell hard and I moved to La. My wife was 213 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: in Jersey. We just separated. I ain't think we will ever, 214 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: you know, get back together again. I was just out 215 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: there working on me. She was out there. She was 216 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: out there working on her, not really trying to get 217 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: the marriage back together. And I think when you try 218 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: to do that too soon, sometimes you damage you know, 219 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: you damage it because you just your point is just 220 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: to try to get them get back together, but not 221 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: work on you, because you still got stuff you got 222 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: to work I still have stuff I had to work on. 223 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: I still had weaknesses I had to work on. And 224 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: so I'm out there working on me. She's working on her. 225 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: I'm praying, she's praying, and God kind of just brought 226 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: our hearts back together. But through that whole time, I 227 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: realized my mortality, I realized my humanism, I realized my weaknesses. 228 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 1: I realized who I was for real, Like this religious perspective. 229 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 1: I became that like like now I'm a pastor, right, 230 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: But I don't say I'm a pastor. I'm just I'm 231 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: just a child of God with the asignment. You understand 232 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm a child of God who got 233 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: something to say to a certain group of people. I 234 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: don't become my assignment. You understand what I'm saying. But 235 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 1: that's the world today. If I were to meet you 236 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: in the street, the first thing I'll say is what 237 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: do you do? Not who are you? You understand what 238 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I think we lose who we are 239 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: and what we do. And that's what I did. I 240 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: got lost in all of that and I forgot who 241 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: I was. 242 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 3: Now. I read that you you you battled with deep 243 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 3: depression during that time. Yeah, contmpleted suicide. What got you 244 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 3: out of that? 245 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: Literally, what got me out of suicide initially was just people. 246 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: It was just people around me too much. I couldn't 247 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: get by myself. It was just always Literally it wasn't 248 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: my prayer life. It wasn't the Holy Goos, it was Pep, 249 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: it was physical people around me. Ty you good time 250 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: you want to eat TI. I'm like, cause y'all just 251 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: leaves like a pop these pillscause, y'all just leaves like 252 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: to try to do all this stuff. But depression is 253 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: a deep, deep, deep dark spirit, man, And I'm glad 254 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: that I had people around me to help me get 255 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: through that season. Man. Just all those thoughts and all 256 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: those suggestions that come to us, man, and we feel 257 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: like it's us. I love that I call them. I 258 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: call them well. I had a little series that I 259 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: called Ghostbusters, right, so, because there's other ghosts besides the 260 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: Holy ghosts. And if you don't differentiate what ghosts is 261 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: speaking to you, bro, you could be lost in that 262 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: whole rabbit hole of depression, suicide, stress, all of these things. 263 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: My issue is we let all these ghosts talk to us, 264 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: and we do what they say, and we take on 265 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 1: the moves and the and the and the attitudes of 266 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: all these voices that are speaking to us. Therapy helps, 267 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: counseling helps, but ultimately the spirit of God is the 268 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: only one that could really you know, deliver us and 269 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: rescue us from that man. And I had I had that. 270 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: I had that, but I was there, and I couldn't 271 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: believe I was there. I love my life, I love 272 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: my wife. I love I thought I was I thought 273 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: I was good. But then when tragedy hits you and 274 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: you just can't take it and you just feel like 275 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: you have no other option. It was really the embarrassment. 276 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: It was really the pride of everybody know who I am. 277 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: It really wasn't life was so hard. It was how 278 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: I saw myself and how I thought I was. So 279 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 1: when you just drop who you are, like yo, when 280 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: you just just just kill who you think you are, man, 281 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: just be nothing. The Bible says, uh uh, he who 282 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,839 Speaker 1: seeks to save his life will lose it. But if 283 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: you lose your life, you'll gain it. So I lost 284 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: the celebrity side of me. I lost the God's artists. 285 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: I lost I like, forget being the father, forget being 286 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: a husband, forget all these things I think I am. 287 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just tired right now. And then that's 288 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: when salvation begin to come, because. 289 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 5: You really are bigger than your image, and it was 290 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 5: all in the image that you were living in. 291 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's that's not that's not social media today. 292 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: You are your image today. You understand what I'm saying. 293 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: You are, you are who you post today. 294 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 5: So that's why it's also a lot of suicide out 295 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 5: of a lot of depression, a lot more than we 296 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 5: see it. 297 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: You know how challenging it is it to be to 298 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: be on social media? You understand what I'm saying. I 299 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: know some people who will never be beyond the camera 300 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: without they lashes on, or who will never get on 301 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: there without certain things. So how challenging is it to 302 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: be your authentic self on social media? I don't think 303 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: or onto the world. I don't think people are ready 304 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: to bear that nakedness, you know what I'm saying. But 305 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: it's gonna take somebody who's understaning to be like, hey, 306 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: this is me and love me or leave me and 307 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: just run the risk of that. But I don't think 308 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: people are ready for that. 309 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 4: I did that early. 310 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 5: I got a little it's a little ponytail. 311 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: It's still going around you trying to get it off. 312 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm trying get it off now, but I'm like, yo, 313 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 5: that's that's when I first started, and it was out 314 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 5: there they put T shirt put it on T shirts 315 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 5: and everything. 316 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 4: Like, Jess, it was a lot of I sold out, 317 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 4: but I was like, you know what this know you down. 318 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: But that's what I loved about you, Jess. That's what 319 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: I love you. 320 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 3: Understand what I'm saying, Jeff, don't give them right right? 321 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: Would you do it? Though? You you admire that, but 322 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: would you do it? Would you do it. 323 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 3: If I had the ponty that you would? 324 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: Here? 325 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 2: There's a picture's a picture of Charlamagne with here and 326 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 2: look kind of like it starts back here. 327 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: But you never posted that. I got to see that. 328 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 3: I think you and your whole situation is just a 329 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 3: testament to the glory of God. You, you and your 330 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 3: wife together. 331 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: Now, yeah, she's right here, right behind me. Man. She 332 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: survived the car. 333 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 3: Y'all been through a. 334 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: Lot, a whole a whole, a whole lot. It seemed 335 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: like a series of unfortunate events, you know what I'm saying. 336 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: And her life, I mean, it's just it just it 337 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: just starts from I'm gonna say it starts from birth. 338 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: Everybody's life starts from but with the with growing up 339 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: with parents like I had, and she was basically fatherless, 340 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: for a long period of time. You grow up with 341 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: a whole lot of unmet needs. You know what I mean. 342 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 1: You have needs as a child that you should have 343 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: met that you don't have met. Security, protection, encouragement, validation, 344 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: all of these things. We we affection. We have to 345 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: grow up without that, right, So now we got to 346 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: make the choice of either like living without it or 347 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: killing the desire period. So now we commit what we call, 348 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: my man Tim Fletcher calls sole suicide. So you commit 349 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: sole suicide because as a child of three year old, 350 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: I need affection. I don't know I need it, but 351 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: naturally I need it. And if I don't get it, 352 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: I just killed the desire for it. So now I'm 353 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: in a relationship and I don't know how to be 354 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: affection you understand what I'm saying. Or I got kids 355 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: and I don't know how to show that because I've 356 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: been killed that. So now we're trying to like restore 357 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: those things and trying to do it in the context 358 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: of marriage. I married her at eighteen. I was twenty one, 359 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: So that's a that's a kid. Those are kids when 360 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: I look at them ages now I'm like, man, it 361 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: was a kid, that little really little kid. 362 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 3: We huh, how long y'all been together? 363 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: Twenty eight? Now? Yeah, that twenty eight years? 364 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, my wife twenty six over being his wife thirty on? 365 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: Congrass bro. So y'all know what I'm talking about. Listen. 366 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 3: I relate to your story so much, even when you 367 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 3: talk about how you know what you saw in your 368 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 3: father and not wanting to be like that, yeah, and 369 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 3: then finding out that you became just like that later. 370 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 3: Do you understand? 371 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: Do you understand? Man? That's like a that's like a 372 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: that's like a it's like a shock to your whole 373 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: to your whole system. 374 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 4: Man. 375 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: You got to do a whole lot of rewiring man. 376 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: And my thing is, I think a lot of people 377 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: know they need help. Where they go to get help 378 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: is just as important as knowing you need help. So 379 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So therapists and all that stuff, 380 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: I think that I think that's all is great. But 381 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: I like to go to the source. I like to 382 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: go to the creator, and I believe God is the 383 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: creative of all of us. If you don't turn to God, man, 384 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: you'll get a bandon, you'll get medicated. But the real 385 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: healing is in Jesus Christ. 386 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 3: I believe in God and therapy me too too, and 387 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 3: plant based medicine and healing and meditation. 388 00:16:47,800 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: And I can't with you, but I feel I am 389 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: mad at you. Bro. I ain't hear the judge at all. 390 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: But you know, I just feel like when something else 391 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: becomes your source, something else is your source, you know 392 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: what I mean. And that's the scary part to me. 393 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: I don't want another thing besides God to be my source. 394 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 1: Everything could be a resource. And if God leads me 395 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: to that, fine, But if I just choose it, I 396 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: could damage myself and my life and what I want 397 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 1: and desire to do or be in life. 398 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 2: But what do you think about some of the It 399 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 2: seems like for a while, maybe the last ten years, 400 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 2: it seems like being a pastor was cool, right, So 401 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 2: it was like. 402 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: Like everybody wanted to be a rapper, everybody wanted to 403 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: be a podcast host. At least, like a. 404 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 2: Lot of people wanted to be a pastor for the 405 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 2: wrong reasons. Yeah, how do you feel about. 406 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: That you missed that pastor? Or remember the past you know, man, 407 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: it was building them huge churches, everybody was. I think 408 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: the pastor phenomenon came from oh Man, getting money, there's 409 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:54,239 Speaker 1: a bunch of different things. 410 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 3: You can speak to them more. 411 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 5: But I think getting money in the church and how 412 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,719 Speaker 5: you look and how you're praised is and you forget 413 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 5: that he's supposed to be praised, but he praise you 414 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 5: and all that type of stuff. 415 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:06,959 Speaker 4: So yeah, I see a lot of Instagram paces out there, 416 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 4: but you know it is you. 417 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 1: You killed that whole thing. I think a lot of 418 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: pastors were not called the pastor. They just you know, study, 419 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: you go to school and then you just become a pastor, 420 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: like you become a manager at you know, publics or 421 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: something like that. And that's that's unfortunate for a lot 422 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: of people who invest their you know, money, time, attention, 423 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: and their soul into people who they believe are literally 424 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: called from God. I don't believe a lot of pastors are. 425 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: I think I think it's a system. Now on God, 426 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: It's a system. Everything is a system, and systems work 427 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: with or without God. So I think the institution of 428 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: church is whack. I think how church is ran is whack. 429 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: I think the religious system and structure is whack. I 430 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: don't subscribe to it, even though I grew up in it, 431 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 1: I benefited from it. But I learned that God is 432 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: not the church. And once I realized whoa God? Ain't 433 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: church for me? You know what I mean? I ain't 434 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: from the streets. I'm from the church. So that was 435 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: a huge thing as well. 436 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 3: It's in the Bibles say you can't even find God 437 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 3: in the man made. 438 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: Why don't we read that? 439 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 4: Though? 440 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: How often do you hear that sermon? 441 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 3: No? 442 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: You hear people pastors make the people about the church. 443 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,360 Speaker 1: We got the church name we Church and the church 444 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: and the bumper stick of the church. 445 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 6: The church should be about the people. The church should 446 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 6: be about the people. But the church makes the people 447 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 6: about the church. So all churches now are a movement, 448 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 6: but they're not about the people. They're not about serving 449 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 6: and loving the people. 450 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: So I just kind of pulled that. We online right now. 451 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: We're not even in the building, a physical building or 452 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: nothing like that. So Live Church, shout out to Live Church. 453 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: I love y'all so much, Live Church, Orlando. We're online 454 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: right now. And because we had an issue with a building, 455 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: and now I'm like, hold up, what's going on here? 456 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: Like do we need a bit like you understand what 457 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like in order to do what we need 458 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 1: to do affect people, serve and love and minister. I'm 459 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: just looking at everything differently at this point because the 460 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: church structure has really I mean, there's a lot of 461 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: people who won't even go to church. Honestly, when the 462 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: last time y'all been to church? 463 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 3: I go every Sunday on TV and go bedside Baptist. 464 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I like watching Potter's House online. 465 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, wait to. 466 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 4: Jump down here through and be like, no, you don't. 467 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: Every Sunday. But why not? 468 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 3: Honestly, is because it's not too many churches that speak 469 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 3: to my spirit. I really do like what they do 470 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 3: in the Potter's House. I think there's a lot of 471 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,719 Speaker 3: annoying in that church from Bishop td Jake's Jake Roberts 472 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 3: the Truth to tore. So even when I'm in Dallas, 473 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 3: if I'm now on like you go today, I'll stay 474 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 3: just to go on like. 475 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: This you physically go, oh absolutely, what about you? 476 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 2: For me, it's I used to hate going to church 477 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 2: as a kid, right because Baptist Church is staying there 478 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 2: for or five hours, especially if somebody's getting baptized, you 479 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 2: got to dress up. 480 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 4: So it made me. 481 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 1: Not necessarily love it. 482 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 3: Right. 483 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,239 Speaker 2: And I noticed that with my kids when I took 484 00:20:58,320 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 2: him to church, it became mature. 485 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: I gotta get dressed. I got this. 486 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 2: But now on Sunday morning, we can cook breakfast together, 487 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 2: sit down on the couch and watch it and it's comfortable. 488 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 2: They gotta get dressed. They ain't got mammy an gotta 489 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 2: do the kids here. Yeah, they ain't got to make 490 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 2: sure things are right because they got to sit there. Now, 491 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 2: it's not that at all. It's all about the church, 492 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 2: which I prefer. So yeah, we go online, you know 493 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 2: what I mean. And I don't have to just stick 494 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 2: to one church. You know, as a kid growing up 495 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 2: in New York, we always had to go to Brooklyn, 496 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 2: the Grandma's church. 497 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: There was no option. It was let me try something else. 498 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 2: Now on TV one day, I can turn dollar next day, 499 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 2: I can next day, and I can get different feelings 500 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 2: and my kids can as well. 501 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: So I prefer that as well too. 502 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 3: Why I was, he was going to ask me. 503 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 5: I was, so yeah, So I still have I still 504 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 5: belong to my home church in Baltimore City, Restoration Christian 505 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 5: Coclegia Church. And I'm not in Baltimore on Sundays anymore. 506 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 4: You know, just I have to be here. I gotta 507 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 4: wake up three forty five in the morning. 508 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 5: But even before that, I was doing shows Thursday through Sunday, 509 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 5: so I wasn't able to go. And if I just 510 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 5: try more, I can definitely get on the road to 511 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 5: come up here after a church because church is from 512 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 5: ten to twelve, ten to one sometimes. 513 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 4: But I still pay my times, you know what I mean, I. 514 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: Still give all. 515 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 4: Friend, my mom's a deacon. I grew up in that church. 516 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 5: It was called Holy Church of Christ when I was younger, 517 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 5: and my son has been Christian in that church. And 518 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 5: my my baby that I'm having now will go and 519 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 5: get Christian. I'm never I don't want to go to 520 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 5: another church now. I will listen to a sermon from 521 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 5: someone else like I listen to Sarah Jakes, you know 522 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 5: I will, and different podcasts as well. But I just 523 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 5: my my reason is simply just an excuse. I just 524 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 5: don't go to church because I travel. 525 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: Okay, I get that. What do y'all look for when 526 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: you go to a church? What do y'all? What do 527 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: y'all look for? Like you said, everyone, don't don't touch 528 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: your soul, don't minister to your spirit. 529 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 3: It's not about what I look for, It's about what 530 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 3: I feel got it. It's a feeling, you know what 531 00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 3: I mean, Like you just I know what you mean, 532 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 3: would just speak to your soul. 533 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: You know. 534 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 3: I think, sorry, Jake's right now, Man's used to me 535 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 3: all the time, you know what. I just want to 536 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 3: listen to her podcast. So I just think some people 537 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 3: have an annoying on them for the moment that we 538 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 3: are in, and just like her father had it and 539 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 3: still has it, you know, of course for the current 540 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 3: moment that we're in. 541 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 5: And then another thing. So growing up in a church 542 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 5: where you know, I'm so used to that back in 543 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,199 Speaker 5: the day like Manson's, I don't want to go to 544 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 5: a big, big, big church because the pastor don't know me. 545 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 5: I'm used to going to talk to the past pastor 546 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 5: after church, going to get that individual preyer, going to 547 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 5: show him what I'm struggling with and all that. As 548 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 5: a teenager, I was going through a lot of things, 549 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So I would be able 550 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 5: to go and talk to my uncle he is the bishop, 551 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 5: like go and talk to him and stuff like that. 552 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 5: But I've gone to churches where, you know, the pastor 553 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 5: don't even know you, and he's not even. 554 00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 4: Tripping off getting to know nobody. 555 00:23:59,359 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 556 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 5: Yeah, he just come and he do his thing. They 557 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 5: sing a whole album before he started dis sermon. Yeah, yes, right, 558 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 5: you shout. I see people shouting. I see you know 559 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 5: all of that, And that's what I'm used to be. 560 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 4: He's not cut. I started coming from that and then 561 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 4: absolutely no wood. 562 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 3: I started going to church till later got you growing 563 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 3: for that whole going around knocking on the doors. 564 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: How you doing? How you know? That's what I'm talking about. 565 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking time of that. 566 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 5: But you got time to walk down every block and 567 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 5: going hand in the hamplets. 568 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and too early y'all come to he came around 569 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: noon'll be so yeah, this is the personal. 570 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 5: Personal has been lost, you know what I mean. And 571 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 5: then it becomes to the point where the the like 572 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 5: I said, the pastor feel like he's got Yeah, that's churches. 573 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: And and that's what I met by churches is whacking, 574 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: because I know I went on realig whack whack wacking 575 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: church probably like you just at my church last week. 576 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: I don't mean that, I mean I mean that stuff 577 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: right there and what has become I have found it. 578 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: I have found it. I think I said the right 579 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: challenging to know everyone in my church though, I found it. 580 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: I found it challenging. I try to be personal. I 581 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: try to I stay after church and just I stand 582 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: at whoever want to come to me, they can talk 583 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: to me. I don't got the eighty security guards and 584 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: all that, right I standing, They can talk to me. 585 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: But it's a challenge to know everybody in the church. 586 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 4: And that's a big that's because a bigger it's a bigger, bigger. 587 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 2: But your new families though, like like my church, they 588 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 2: knew the Casey family and parents, they knew the Johnson's 589 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 2: and it is one of that one new family. 590 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah overall, and that means something that that 591 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: that means a lot to people. But what if you 592 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,400 Speaker 1: didn't get that, does that mean that's not the church 593 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: for you? Because Moses led millions of people. I doubt 594 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: he knew you know what I mean, John Qubbos, whatever 595 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: his name was, I doubt I doubt he knew everyone, 596 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: but he was still their leader. So I try to 597 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: look at it from a lot of perspectives. You know 598 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: what I mean, and make sure people are coming for 599 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: the right reason and make sure or the pastor is 600 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: there for. 601 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question. Right, So, growing up 602 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 2: in Queen's I went to Catholic school. Right, my zone 603 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 2: school is the worst. So my parents was making me 604 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 2: go to Catholic school. I wasn't going to Andrew Jackson. 605 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 2: But I noticed in Catholic school as a kid, Catholic schools. 606 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: Thirty thirty minutes, maybe thirty five. You are out of there. 607 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 2: It's I mean, didn't gone, I'm back home. Baptist church 608 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 2: is three hours, you know what I mean. 609 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: So we want to say but it's the point. 610 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 2: As a kid, you know, you you feel like I 611 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 2: get everything I needed in this thirty minutes. I don't 612 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 2: need this in three and a half hours. I always 613 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 2: wonder like why is the church so long? Because you know, 614 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 2: you got announcements, then you get passed it. You're gonna 615 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 2: pass it around twice, and then since then so and 616 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 2: so got to talk about. 617 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 4: And if you don't give up on the first off, 618 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 4: we almost. 619 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 1: Almost they double back, you know what I mean. And 620 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: I think that's part of it why it's so long. Yeah, 621 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: I think churches have changed since then. I don't think 622 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: churches is three hours like that anymore. I mean not 623 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: she I think it's like nothing I've seen she going in. 624 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 1: I've seen church tructures like ninety minutes. You know what 625 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: I'm saying. They try to be more mindful of that. 626 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 1: And the more you know, current churches and stuff like that, 627 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: they try to do, they try to cut that down 628 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: a little bit. But I think the reason is people 629 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: just have a lot of expression. Man, they got a 630 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 1: lot of They got a lot to say, they got 631 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: a lot to get out. You understand I'm saying. I 632 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: hated the law churches. I grew up Pentecostal Pentecostal church. 633 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 1: What three hours? That's it. We're just getting right, yo. 634 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: Three When you said three hours, like what, man, we 635 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: just getting started. We had nothing else to do. Why 636 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: you had no social media? Sundays was for God. So 637 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: we was gonna stay all Sunday. So after the five 638 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: hours center back, after the five hour service service, come on, 639 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 1: you better stay for that second we got people coming. 640 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: I hated that, but I'm so glad it was like 641 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: that for me as a remember young you understand what 642 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm so glad. It was like that for 643 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 1: me because it just kept me from a whole lot. 644 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 1: You like Michael Willis, Yeah, Chris rock a lot and uh, 645 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: I don't know who Michael k Willi soon. 646 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,360 Speaker 3: You got a similar energy. 647 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, I never met him, very energetic. I never met him. 648 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: Maybe we need to hook up with something like that. 649 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he dad, he done. Oh I don't know. Okay, 650 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 1: I guess I can. I guess I can. I guess 651 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: I can't. Don't give, don't get, don't give me the 652 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,119 Speaker 1: dog the other day, I'm sorry, I didn't know. I 653 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm trying to cut him on. He's met 654 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: brom y'all will connect one day if you believe you again. 655 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 3: Done is true that you worked on justin Timberlakes Crime. 656 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: River, Yeah, I worked on I was. We was in 657 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: the Root Studio again, growing up in the Philly Camden, 658 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: Philly area. We did our first album at the at 659 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: the Root Studio. Crazy how we got signed to. Vivian 660 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: Green is like an R and B soul artist, And 661 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: she was doing the showcase for Tommy Mottola and Donnie 662 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: Ironer and the Matt Sony and she said, tie, you 663 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: know I was like her cousin at the time. We 664 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: were real close. Tie. I want you to m D 665 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: my show case. I know, even asked me this. I'm 666 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: just taking on you know, you know, I want you 667 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 1: to MD my showcase. I said, all right, Bet, I 668 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: got a little couple of people from the choir, a 669 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: couple of people from the band. We just put together 670 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: a little show for viv So, speaking of energy and 671 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: all that, we in there with Tommy Mattola and Donnie 672 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: Iron and all these people at Columbia, and I'm just 673 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: a young you know, I'm just playing. I'm I'm like 674 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: this all the time. If I'm playing, I'm like this, 675 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Everything is energetic. So they like, 676 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: we love Vivian Green, we're gonna sign her to Columbia, 677 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: and we're gonna sign this guy right here. Who's that? 678 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: And it was like, oh, no, no, no, no, that's that's a 679 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: that's a gospel guy. You know, he does choir and 680 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: stuff like that. We're signing Vivian and we're signing the 681 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: gospel guy. 682 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 3: I was like, what. 683 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: Within ninety days we had a contract at our crib 684 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: from Columbia Records. No demo, black and white, no, no 685 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: profile picture, no nothing, and we got signed to Columbia. 686 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: Uh nah, she got her deal. I got my deal. 687 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: So my first album came out under Columbia Records called 688 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: Life because because of that that moment right there, I'm like, well, 689 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: God is really real, you know what I mean. I mean, 690 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: you could say being in the right place at the 691 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: right time, but I believe in the favor of God. 692 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: And so we're doing our album in the Root studio. 693 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: James Poyser shout out. James Poyser was a producer on that. 694 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: He's with the Roots. Now you're seing on Jimmy Fallon 695 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: every night and uh in the Root studio they had 696 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: the plant based you know stuff going on every single day. 697 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: Ge he was in there. We was in there getting contact, 698 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: you'll try to sing the praises of the Lord and 699 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: just being in that environment. Then the Roots is like, oh, 700 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: you know, why don't you do this such as us 701 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: coming to the studio, such as us coming to the studio, 702 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: such and such. We just became the choir for like 703 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: everybody who came. So we're on Jessica Simpsons Christmas album 704 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: and we're on uh so many albums as background singers. 705 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: So Timberland came through and we just caught a vibe Timberland. 706 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: We were just in there, just vibing. Tim just put 707 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: a beat on it. We were just in there playing. 708 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: I love working with Tim. Tim. We could ever do 709 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: that again, bro, Yeah, please, let's look that up. So 710 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: we was in there vibing the crimea River. He said, 711 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: I got this Humble Justice. So I'm in there like, okay, 712 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: dude and dud dude. So that's me playing that literally 713 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: on the world it sir, that's literally literally me. And 714 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: then the backgrounds on there and me and my girl 715 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,719 Speaker 1: Marshall from Flower Tree did the background. Yeah, ain't she amazing? Yo, 716 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: shout out Marsha, I love you girl. 717 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 5: Uh. 718 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: We did the backgrounds to that. And so just when 719 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: it came out and we listened to it and it's 720 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: everywhere since seventy eleven and said why were like, oh my, 721 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: that's us, that's us. Shut up boy, now to be 722 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,479 Speaker 1: twenty dollars you know what I mean. I'm like, wait, yes, 723 00:31:51,040 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: that's give me at did you get pay for it 724 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: the right way? Oh damn, I got two thousand dollars 725 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: for the past o. Man, you don't do the past. 726 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know you cried you a river, that's all 727 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 3: you got that Murphy dollars for river. 728 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I got two thousand dollars for that, But you 729 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: played I played it with this song. 730 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 3: That's what everybody knows. 731 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 4: That's when what you hear. 732 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: That's what you look for before anybody else. They don't 733 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: take care of the past him. It was, it was, 734 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: it was, it was. Yeah, But you know, I didn't 735 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: know the business at the time, and I was so 736 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: hyped to get two thousand dollars. I didn't know what 737 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,479 Speaker 1: to do. Y'all think got treated everybody to a fry 738 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: at McDonald's. Everybody, you understand what I'm saying. So I 739 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: was just so hyped, but I didn't know the business then, 740 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: So I don't got no hard feelings about Yeah. Yeah, 741 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: you can go check it out. Go check out the credit. 742 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: Check the credits, Go check the credit. 743 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 5: You know what you give it Chris Rock, Yes, go 744 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 5: check the credit. Show Yeah, it's definitely I see it now. 745 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, that now did a whole lot, the whole 746 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,959 Speaker 1: What is that? What did you do with usher? I'ven 747 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: know what, I don't think, I mean, says toured with us, 748 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. 749 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 5: If you work, you gotta be specific. 750 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what you do? What I should hold up 751 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: in the church for a second, we might have been 752 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: on the same program. I didn't do anything. We didn't 753 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: do you know. I love to be usher man. That's 754 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: that's the homie. Yes, come on, don't be with the 755 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: right don't don't right now? 756 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 5: Every day with the niggas yo every day, So I'm like, 757 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 5: what are you talking about? 758 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: It's a lot. That's a lot to go because you 759 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: don't never know what they go. 760 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 3: You got to tell you congratulations. Let me get you 761 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 3: out of here. You're get in some trouble. 762 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: Last year Reunion tour was was last year. It was amazing. 763 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: I did All Things New tour and in the spring and 764 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: then I did the Reunion Tour in the fall winter. 765 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: It was it was an amazing, dude that with Kirk and 766 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: h Clark, sisters, Israel, David and Tambla man, that was 767 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: incredible my first arena tour. Never did that before, so 768 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: I'm like to hear the songs with all them people. 769 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: It was just it was it was surreal. So we're 770 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 1: doing it again this year. I'm going out May June 771 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: on the only one night though tour, only one night though. 772 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: That's my new single that's out only one night though, 773 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: and the tour is going May June. I'm telling y'all, 774 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: I have uh a second win of some sort. I 775 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 1: don't have a second, third, or fourth whatever, but I 776 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: have this, this momentum behind me right now, and I 777 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: am so excited to get out there and do this music. 778 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: I got new music coming, book, coming podcasts, all this 779 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: stuff is coming, you know, off the hinges of the Grammy. 780 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,879 Speaker 1: And it's just a good season for me right now. Yes, 781 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: I want everybody to come what he's great man record 782 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: on quick. 783 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 4: Let me just say this, So what you did for 784 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 4: me growing up is to your music. You you didn't 785 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 4: make it. 786 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: You like you. 787 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 5: You and Kirk Franklin was the first two men that 788 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 5: did not make listening in the gospel boring, yo, because 789 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 5: like me, growing up with a deaconess as a mom, 790 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 5: and you know, my daddy was a little bit more lenient, 791 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 5: you know, but we had to go to church and 792 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 5: a little bit playing to what he was saying, like 793 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 5: we had to. I had to get the stiff ponytail 794 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,839 Speaker 5: with the bullyball, you know. He wasn't really long, so 795 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,439 Speaker 5: when I moved it didn't you know. 796 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: So I'm like, I don't want. 797 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 5: To go here, you know. And I had the little 798 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 5: church socks and all that, the ones that Jermaine the 799 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 5: Free had on at the You know, I will always 800 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 5: do that, you know, like you when when my mom 801 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,839 Speaker 5: would put you on, she would put she will put 802 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 5: you on just so we can get excited to go 803 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 5: to church. Wow, So that is really something crazy. You 804 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 5: and Kirk Franklin, y'all the only two my mom be like, 805 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 5: all right, all right, and then she knew how to 806 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 5: play some other people when we were going too much. 807 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 5: So I was like, I don't want to listen to 808 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 5: much then, but but to get us in the mood 809 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 5: to go to church, Tripp and Kirk Franklin, that's what. 810 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 3: That's what I love about you or the song you 811 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 3: remember the. 812 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: No way I can't even then You're going to the animal, 813 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:28,839 Speaker 1: I know, you know, not what you say strike them 814 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: down heart. 815 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 4: That strike him down a lord. 816 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: Do you think people have my times? 817 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 5: I know? 818 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,800 Speaker 1: But do you think people have a problem with God? 819 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 3: No? No, no, I mean. 820 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: Most people I know. Yeah. 821 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 3: My whole life has been God fearing but see, I 822 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 3: think that I think that you have to show improve 823 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 3: that through actions, you know what I'm saying. I think 824 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 3: it's one thing to say, oh, I believe in God, 825 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 3: I love God. But do you really try to at 826 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 3: least scribe to move the way God would want you 827 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 3: to move. 828 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: I think that's the difficult Okay. So it's not the 829 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: it's not the it's not the it's not the belief. 830 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: It's the behavior. 831 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 2: Yes, I think, yeah, sometimes it's the behavior of the messenger. 832 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: What you mean. 833 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 2: Somebody will say I have an assignment, right like you said, 834 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 2: I have an assignment. And maybe your assignment is to 835 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 2: help Jess in her situation and her problems, and maybe 836 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 2: you do, but then you as a person, it's not 837 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 2: coming from the perspective of somebody giving assignment, you see 838 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So let's say, if you're here to 839 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 2: help Jess in her life and whatever it may be, 840 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 2: but you know you cheating on your wife with Charlamagne. 841 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: It's it's I look at it as that's example, but. 842 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 5: I just look at it as it's not gonna be 843 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:48,919 Speaker 5: the thing. 844 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 2: But I look at it as you're giving assignment. But 845 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 2: the person giving assignment is not living the life that 846 00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 2: But that's what a little bit that's what makes me 847 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 2: hard to see because you're giving the excitement, but you're 848 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 2: not living, right. 849 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: It's like, are you really giving it? Nobody around Jesus 850 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,240 Speaker 1: living that's all about to say, like your's your teacher 851 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: living algebra? Like you know what I'm saying, Can somebody 852 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 1: get can somebody give you information that will help you? 853 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: That's still flawed? Right? But sometimes it's like it is 854 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 1: that information true? 855 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 2: If you're out there selling crack every night, giving crack 856 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 2: TI you, you might be felty and saving me, but 857 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 2: then you're killing a hundred others. It's like, is this 858 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 2: coming from God? Or is that coming from a negative evil? 859 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: The devil? You know what I'm saying. So it's kind 860 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 1: of I got you hard to trust it, operate and 861 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 1: trust it. 862 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 3: But that's a decernment coming in exactly. 863 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: So you need the spirit as well, you know what 864 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's what I think. So when I say 865 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 1: how you feel about God? I was going to ask 866 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 1: how you feel about all of that? You said you're 867 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,320 Speaker 1: too growing for the holy cost? But playing I know 868 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 1: what you're saying. 869 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,400 Speaker 4: In some people, some people do they. 870 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: Get most, do most most most and seeing. 871 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 3: Them harlem shake, I'm like making you harlem shaking. 872 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:11,280 Speaker 1: I cut it out. Man embrace. I think most embrace 873 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: the culture of church, but not the Christ of them, 874 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 1: you know, not Christ. So I think that's that's the 875 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 1: issue as well. I think when you when you try 876 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: to move without the spirit of God, not just the 877 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 1: word of God, but the spirit of God. This is 878 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 1: this is where personal relationship comes in. When you try 879 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,280 Speaker 1: to move or live your life without the spirit of God. 880 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: That is your God, that is your direction. Holy goes 881 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: to the Bible said, the Holy Spirit comes to lead and 882 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,359 Speaker 1: to guide us into all truth. So there's a lot 883 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: of wisdom and truth that we forfeit by not being 884 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 1: led by the Spirit of God, by being led by Google, 885 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 1: by being led by other things like that. Even a therapist, 886 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,880 Speaker 1: I will add, the Bible says, add to your faith, knowledge, 887 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 1: but add to your faith. I think we let knowledge 888 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,760 Speaker 1: replace our faith, we let counsel replace our faith. Every 889 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 1: new information you get as a believer should add to 890 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 1: your faith, and that comes through the discernment and knowing the 891 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,319 Speaker 1: Spirit of God. So take the time to develop that 892 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 1: relationship with God like this sounds crazy, but Lord, all right, 893 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: let me pray. You know what I mean, whatever it is, 894 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 1: take that time to develop. It's your protection, you know 895 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: what I mean, from the wolves in sheep's clothing. It's 896 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,720 Speaker 1: your protection from wrong relationships and dating the wrong person. 897 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 1: God knows all, He knows the person you're dealing with. 898 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 1: He knows the thoughts and the intents of and the 899 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 1: motives of the people you're dealing with. So the Holy 900 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: Spirit is a cheat cold to help us deal with life, 901 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: to right to make the right business decisions, to make 902 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 1: the right decisions for our children, because this child is 903 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 1: different from this one. I can't do that on my own. 904 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,719 Speaker 1: So when you allow the Holy Spirit to be elite 905 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 1: and your God, I mean, your way will be prosperous. 906 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 1: The Bible says so, and you'll be protected because everybody 907 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 1: is for themselves in this world. And there as much 908 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,359 Speaker 1: evil in darkness as you know, as you said, even 909 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: in clergy collars. Yo, And I'm tired of it. My 910 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 1: wife and I are going to work on I think 911 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,719 Speaker 1: a podcast or something called Flipping Tables, just to kind 912 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,280 Speaker 1: of like not to expose nobody, nothing like that, but like, hey, y'all, 913 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. This is choreography. Praise is 914 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 1: not it. You know what I'm saying. We want people 915 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 1: to get relationship and not religion. Man, So if anything 916 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,840 Speaker 1: I'll leave y'all, it will be that, please please please 917 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,959 Speaker 1: take a prayer. Oh prayer? Okay, but you want to prayer? 918 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm you ain't worrying about what we did twenty 919 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 4: four hours ago. 920 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,320 Speaker 5: Wow, because a cigarette outside. 921 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 1: You want to ask that, you want to ask where 922 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 1: I was last night before you received my prayer? 923 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 4: You can pray for me in the corner. 924 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you. I guess that is 925 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 1: important because we never saw presidents or we never saw 926 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,799 Speaker 1: Obama or his family partying. Yeah, because he had to 927 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,479 Speaker 1: be the president, you know what I'm saying. I'm saying 928 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,720 Speaker 1: so it's very important as the leaders what your image 929 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,840 Speaker 1: is to the people. But part of it to me, 930 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe because I'm. 931 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,720 Speaker 3: Always found God in the most unlikely places. 932 00:41:58,800 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 1: What you mean by that? 933 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,920 Speaker 3: Because he's a in the most I'm just saying I 934 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 3: understand what n be saying. But I think sometimes you 935 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 3: will miss a message from God because you appearance or 936 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,239 Speaker 3: not the messenger, you know. Yeah, And sometimes that's who 937 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 3: God is working through. 938 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: That's what they did with Jesus. They was like, who 939 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: this guy that ain't the Savior, That's not him. They 940 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,799 Speaker 1: missed the Savior of the world still to this day 941 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 1: because of how he was presented. So, but I think 942 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,720 Speaker 1: you have to know him to see him and things. 943 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 1: You can see him in the most unlikely places because 944 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: you know him. Well. 945 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 3: If you know God and you, you'll recognize them and 946 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 3: everybody else exactly. 947 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 1: I can see him in movies, comic but I can 948 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,920 Speaker 1: see him on his wall. I can see anywhere because 949 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 1: I know him. So nothing from without can defile you. 950 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: Always was taking. You can't go to clubs or when 951 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,280 Speaker 1: we grew up, you couldn't go to nothing. We couldn't 952 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 1: go to movies, we couldn't go bowling, we couldn't play 953 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 1: basketball because there was this drinks, there is that and that. Whatever. 954 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:59,960 Speaker 1: I can say, what's wrong with bowling? Jesus shut out? 955 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,759 Speaker 1: I got it. I didn't know. I just saw but he. 956 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I'm saying that. 957 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 1: But I had to learn nothing from without can defile you. 958 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,920 Speaker 1: If it's in you, it's in you. If you ratchet, 959 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,439 Speaker 1: you don't need music to that. You know what I'm saying, 960 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 1: It only exposes what's allready in you. So we got 961 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,880 Speaker 1: to change and challenge what's in us. Absolutely. 962 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 3: I got one last question because you made me think, 963 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 3: let's do this conversation me and just had when they 964 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:33,800 Speaker 3: had the New Year's Eve thing and they did the 965 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 3: swag surf in the church. 966 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,120 Speaker 1: Thank you all for having me. Man appreciate it very much. 967 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,759 Speaker 5: Clowned out, tell them what you're thought, tell them passed 968 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:42,600 Speaker 5: what you're throwing up here. 969 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,799 Speaker 3: I didn't think it was anything wrong with it because 970 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 3: my whole thing was they doing it outside the church anyway, 971 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,640 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So if you're having a 972 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,320 Speaker 3: and it wasn't like it was a regular church service, 973 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 3: it was new partying, you know what I mean? 974 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:56,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, what did you think? 975 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,400 Speaker 4: Lot of plans were very much sorry about that. 976 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,439 Speaker 1: But you said all of them were clown everybody. 977 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,400 Speaker 5: Was clowns because that was the explicit version being played, 978 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 5: just like I said Charlamagne, and I'm like, no, I 979 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,560 Speaker 5: didn't grow up like that in church. Like it's just 980 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,520 Speaker 5: certain things you don't play with. You can swag and 981 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,000 Speaker 5: surf one day. Even if he disagreed, I don't get Yeah, 982 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,200 Speaker 5: I still think that it was clowned dollar. 983 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:22,080 Speaker 1: No, I agree with you, and that the lyrics was like, yeah, 984 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:23,120 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe. 985 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,080 Speaker 5: I was hearing that all day, but yeah, I got 986 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,520 Speaker 5: patron on my yah, girl got a bad behind me 987 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:30,759 Speaker 5: and a friend by right. 988 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 1: But they didn't explicit I think that was a mistake 989 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,200 Speaker 1: in production or something like that. I don't think that 990 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:37,840 Speaker 1: was intentional. 991 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,520 Speaker 4: I think it was very much intentional because you think 992 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 4: it was. 993 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 3: It was the youth, a little youth, you faster. 994 00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,399 Speaker 4: And yes, and was like, you know what, I'm gonna 995 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:46,760 Speaker 4: just play this by mistake on purpose. 996 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 2: But if it was the clean version, was a clean version, 997 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 2: you'd have been okay with it. You can swag surfing church, 998 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,319 Speaker 2: but why does that have to be to the song. 999 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,560 Speaker 2: We can swag surf to It's harums. So we can 1000 00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,840 Speaker 2: swag surf to the Kirk Franklin and the little baby 1001 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,319 Speaker 2: you on that. We can swag surf to something. We 1002 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,919 Speaker 2: can swag surf the silence. We made it into another year. 1003 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,680 Speaker 2: Go to the club after you get out. God bless 1004 00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:08,439 Speaker 2: you here, all right. 1005 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,000 Speaker 1: Do what you do so how you feel about just 1006 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,480 Speaker 1: the instrumental that's cool. You can put whatever words on 1007 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,520 Speaker 1: top of it you want, but you like the lyrics 1008 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,480 Speaker 1: and everything and there. I didn't have a problem with it, man, 1009 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 1: because you know they're gonna listen to it anyway outside 1010 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,000 Speaker 1: and it's just a dirty version. 1011 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 3: In my mind, I'm like, whoever was in that church 1012 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,280 Speaker 3: that night is coming back, and to me that's more important. 1013 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,160 Speaker 1: If she was in that church, she wouldn't come back. 1014 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 1: I definitely wouldn't. 1015 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,800 Speaker 4: Even I don't write in the middle. 1016 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,680 Speaker 1: I think the church I'm the wildest, craziest I'm with 1017 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,239 Speaker 1: every day, I swaged whatever. I still think that the 1018 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,200 Speaker 1: church should have something a sacred. 1019 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:48,000 Speaker 5: Like what they met people will they don't take that 1020 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,319 Speaker 5: and they run with that though I'm not with that. 1021 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,839 Speaker 1: Nobody, no nobody met. If Jesus met somebody where they were, 1022 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,640 Speaker 1: he literally went to them, like when they come to church, 1023 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,279 Speaker 1: they meeting you where you are. 1024 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,600 Speaker 3: For the club, that is what you're saying. 1025 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,440 Speaker 1: You say that, I'm saying that they should be across 1026 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 1: the street from the trip club so that when they 1027 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:15,120 Speaker 1: come out, not inside club. I have been to a 1028 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,960 Speaker 1: strip club, I am yeah, yeah, you have. I have 1029 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,520 Speaker 1: been to club. 1030 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:20,919 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1031 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,120 Speaker 1: It was a birth what birthday was? And I'm forty eight. 1032 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,200 Speaker 1: Now I just wanted. It was one of them New 1033 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,520 Speaker 1: Years when I was like, forget the church, I'm going, 1034 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,719 Speaker 1: I'm going there. I did not enjoy. I went one 1035 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,560 Speaker 1: time in my entire lit to pray over the girls. 1036 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,480 Speaker 1: I didn't pray over them, No, I didn't. I didn't pray. 1037 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,600 Speaker 1: I prayed over myself more than anything. Yeah, like I did. 1038 00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:39,359 Speaker 3: Huh why did you like it? 1039 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,919 Speaker 1: Oh? Man, for real? 1040 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:43,600 Speaker 3: Your wife? 1041 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:44,400 Speaker 5: No? 1042 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:51,759 Speaker 1: No, no, no, how I didn't enjoy. I didn't enjoy. 1043 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,160 Speaker 1: I have never talked about this in my life, I said, 1044 00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:58,200 Speaker 1: people who know before I have. I didn't enjoy the performers. 1045 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,920 Speaker 1: What state was it? Florida? Should have went to Atlanta. 1046 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,799 Speaker 1: No Florida, you mean Florida crazy would do especially in Miami. Yeah. 1047 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,680 Speaker 1: So I didn't enjoy. I didn't enjoy the performers, and 1048 00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,239 Speaker 1: I was like, this is why I don't belonger. Yeah, 1049 00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:18,279 Speaker 1: booby trap wasn't went back then. It's okay. Professionally, I 1050 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,000 Speaker 1: think I think God was like, you got it out 1051 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,200 Speaker 1: of your good little private moment and you strang. So 1052 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,399 Speaker 1: this is what you wanted, did you? I'm like, man, 1053 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:33,279 Speaker 1: this is not four and five that night all God 1054 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:41,960 Speaker 1: knew what he was doing. I never I never ever 1055 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,960 Speaker 1: desired to go back. Ever. It was horrible, bro, it 1056 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,919 Speaker 1: was horrible. Man. Can you pray for the stupid show? 1057 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,520 Speaker 1: First of all, thank y'all for being like cultural leaders. 1058 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:51,680 Speaker 5: Man. 1059 00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,600 Speaker 1: I appreciate what y'all do for for for the culture. 1060 00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,200 Speaker 1: It's amazing what y'all do here. Thank you for keeping 1061 00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:01,359 Speaker 1: it positive and you crazy. Y'all all crazy, but that's 1062 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,520 Speaker 1: who we are, and we're not a shame to who 1063 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,799 Speaker 1: we are. Let's pray for a minute. Thank you, Okay, 1064 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,960 Speaker 1: Father God, I thank you for this opportunity to just 1065 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,120 Speaker 1: to pray over these blessed people in this show. I 1066 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,000 Speaker 1: pray now, God that you just continue to be our 1067 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,520 Speaker 1: guide and our lead. There are so many needs just 1068 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,319 Speaker 1: in this room, and so many needs of people that 1069 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,160 Speaker 1: are listening. We can't solve every need. We don't know 1070 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,600 Speaker 1: every need, but you promise to supply every need. So 1071 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:32,640 Speaker 1: I pray from emotions to finances, to mental health, to 1072 00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,799 Speaker 1: physical health to relational security, I pray that you just 1073 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:42,319 Speaker 1: supply every need. Once we're in scarcity and we need, 1074 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,600 Speaker 1: we get desperate and we do things that's not even 1075 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,360 Speaker 1: in our character. So may we never be insecure, and 1076 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,920 Speaker 1: may we never lack anything. And when we never fear, 1077 00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,680 Speaker 1: perfect love, cast out all fear. Fill us with your 1078 00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,640 Speaker 1: perfect love today, and we won't fear anything. We won't 1079 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,880 Speaker 1: fear the enemy, we won't feel the way of the world. 1080 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:05,000 Speaker 1: We won't fear anything because we are loved by you. 1081 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,640 Speaker 1: Let everybody know for a masurrety that they are loved, 1082 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:13,000 Speaker 1: crazy and all baselating in all not. Whatever whatever state 1083 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:17,279 Speaker 1: we're in, it does not disqualify us from your everlasting love. 1084 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,880 Speaker 1: So embrace us with that today. In the name of Jesus. 1085 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:25,719 Speaker 1: Bless everyone, Blessed Charlamagne, bless Envy, blessed Jess. Bless this show. God. 1086 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,560 Speaker 1: Let it be a beacon of light and a beacon 1087 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,840 Speaker 1: of hope to everyone who listens. Let me put a 1088 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,920 Speaker 1: smile on people's face, put joy in their heart and 1089 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,799 Speaker 1: happiness in their day. I thank you for the opportunity 1090 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,919 Speaker 1: to pray over this, and I pray in Jesus' name 1091 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:45,359 Speaker 1: that it prospers in Jesus' name. Amen, Hey, I love 1092 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:50,080 Speaker 1: y'all so much. Man, wake that ass up in the morning. 1093 00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:51,280 Speaker 1: Breakfast Club