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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I am Dale LOLLI he is Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: and the Steelers are just wrapping up their practice session

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Speaker 2: number three here at same phnsicology as the sun begins

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Speaker 2: to shine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, to say, it was like a miraculous stunt that

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Speaker 3: practice ended. The sun comes out, everything's well.

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Speaker 2: You know, we saw a little more eleven on eleven

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Speaker 2: there as we were in the commercial break and Mason

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Speaker 2: Rudolph connecting with Queen Butler again a keen Butler had

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Speaker 2: himself a little practice today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you made a good point that, you know, Rudolph realized,

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Speaker 3: big guy on a little guy, I'm gonna put it

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Speaker 3: where he can shield the little guy off. And Butler

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Speaker 3: did that well. I mean he was running full speed,

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Speaker 3: which is into four to two down the sideline and

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Speaker 3: turns and flips of body round on that back shoulder throw,

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Speaker 3: kind of puts his butt on that defender like a

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Speaker 3: rebounder and that guy's got no chance but chance.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: The body controls impressive though by Butler. A couple of

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Speaker 3: big plays from him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, A nice job by Mason Rudolf recognizing that he

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Speaker 2: gave a little pump, fake dude to kind of tell Butler,

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Speaker 2: hey cut that, take that up the field. It was

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Speaker 2: one on one there and again giving you your receiver,

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Speaker 2: your big receiver, a chance one on one to make

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Speaker 2: a play.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And I haven't mentioned named Anthony Miller in a while.

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Speaker 3: He's not here, but I kind of thought when maybe

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Speaker 3: he was let go, which I didn't see coming at

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Speaker 3: the time, maybe that's ah, we got this Butler character,

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Speaker 3: and we want to get him those reps, you know,

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Speaker 3: and have a bigger slot or a bigger presence there.

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Speaker 3: I'm just speculating.

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Speaker 2: We haven't gotten a chance to see him do any

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Speaker 2: blocking or anything like that, right, I imagine he might

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Speaker 2: be pretty good at.

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Speaker 3: It well people. Yeah, with Iowa State, a lot of

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Speaker 3: the draft knicks thought he'd be like a top fifty pick.

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Speaker 3: Didn't work out great, Any's huge right, went to the

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Speaker 3: Cardinals and struggled, But they and I think other teams

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Speaker 3: tried him at tight end. I mean, which a move

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Speaker 3: tight end doesn't mean that your blocking defensive ends time

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Speaker 3: to get him again, but he has he's hit a sled. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean at least he's done that, you know, so

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Speaker 3: we'll see. It would be surprising to me if he's

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Speaker 3: not one of the better blockers on the team. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Boykin's probably the best, but I would think he'd be

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Speaker 3: should be right there. Yeah, I think, you know, maybe

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Speaker 3: those two guys are competing. Maybe maybe.

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Speaker 2: I mean they're two similar styles and size.

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Speaker 3: Receives can brings the special teams, though Boykin's a very

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Speaker 3: good special tax player, and that I don't know if

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Speaker 3: you can afford to have two of those guys on

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Speaker 3: your bench, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's we'll see how this whole thing shakes out.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, good day for him, and you know, real.

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Speaker 3: Good day for me. He'd shown up every practice I've

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Speaker 3: seen here, all three.

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Speaker 2: The body type kind of reminds me of Darren Waller

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good example because Waller was a similar

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Speaker 3: story coming out of Georgia Tech. He was not a

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Speaker 3: twitched up receiver, longstrider, big body dude who if had

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Speaker 3: some off the field stuff, it's well known, and reinvented

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Speaker 3: himself as a downfield tight end type. So it sounds

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Speaker 3: like Butler is now a for I mean, he's the

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Speaker 3: tight end stuff is over. That experiment kind of failed,

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Speaker 3: but sort of the you know, the inverse of that.

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Speaker 2: And people may look at that and say, you know,

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Speaker 2: well they got enough tight ends and things of that nature.

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Speaker 2: There so blurred between what's the tight end and what's

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Speaker 3: Kelsey and Pitts and those guys don't do much tight

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Speaker 3: end receiver, right exactly. Yeah, I mean they're big slots.

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Speaker 2: That's what they are, big slots. He can't necessarily look

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Speaker 2: at what the what it says on the roster to

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Speaker 2: his name, what does he do?

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Speaker 3: What said? How do they use him?

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Speaker 2: Connor Hayward We were talking about Connor Hayward in the

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Speaker 2: previous segment. Sure, you know, if Connor Hayward we're twenty

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Speaker 2: pounds later, you know, maybe he's a wide receiver.

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe he's just a little slot, you know, he's

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Speaker 3: It doesn't really matter, it really doesn't. It kind of

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Speaker 3: use Jack does a lot of that stuff. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: mean he's the highest paid fullback in the league. He's

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Speaker 3: not Dan Kreider coming down blowing up linebackers. They move

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Speaker 3: them all over the place, you know, they get them

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Speaker 3: in motion, runs a lot of routes. I think Hayward

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Speaker 3: would be a favorite of the Niners as a use

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Speaker 3: jack type. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Practice now has ended, and we see some guys breaking

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Speaker 2: off and doing some individual work here.

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Speaker 3: With some stuff and including Butler.

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Speaker 2: How about Kenny Pickett working down here with the big

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Speaker 2: Darnell Washington and red zone stuff.

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Speaker 3: I was watching Trubisky throwing to Boykind and Butler. Coincidentally,

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Speaker 3: we just lump those two together. But let's go check

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Speaker 3: out what Washington's up too. Yeah, he's just the two

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just the two of them, and he's running

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Speaker 2: some routes here and breaking open. Right, it's a goal line,

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Speaker 2: and that's using a big body to shield off an

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Speaker 3: I think that'll be something they ask him quite a bit.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they did about five reps of that and looks

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Speaker 2: like they're done. I think, you know, maybe that was

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Speaker 3: I was wondering if like seven shots he screwed.

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Speaker 2: It up or right, you know, here's what you want,

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Speaker 2: here's the depth you want. Here's how I want you

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Speaker 2: to run this. And then if Ben Roethlispierberger used to

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Speaker 3: Guarantee this what was I think about it? Right? Because

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Speaker 3: let's go do five or six of them or whatever,

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Speaker 3: and and make sure you know it right because especially

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Speaker 2: I mean, we run this when again two weeks from now.

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Speaker 2: Here's what I want. Yeah, show me your big I mean,

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Speaker 2: and he saw it. I mean they didn't go quite

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Speaker 2: where it would definitely be a touchdown if he caught it.

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Speaker 2: Got his big body square to the goal line, parallel

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Speaker 2: the goal line gives him a big target. Balls coming out.

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Speaker 2: Now catch it with your hands, get in there.

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Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, he must not have done it quite properly.

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Speaker 3: Now he will watching.

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Speaker 2: Miles Boykin here, he's working with both the backup quarterbacks here.

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Speaker 2: That was a nice throw by again by Rudolph on

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Speaker 2: a post there too. Boy can down the field, put

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Speaker 2: it right right where it needed to be.

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Speaker 3: Now, I like a boy could brings to the team.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's he's not one of your top twenty

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Speaker 3: five guys or anything like that. But he's another one.

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Speaker 3: I mean we told we had some Claypool conversations yesterday

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Speaker 3: about you know, amazing test score guys coming out of

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Speaker 3: Notre Dame. Huge, And I really liked the Claypool pick

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Speaker 3: because boy he played special teams. He blocked well then

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Speaker 3: he didn't in the league. Well Boykin did, right, you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean? They were similar prospects coming out

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Speaker 3: I think went in the third round in Claypool in

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Speaker 3: the second right, right, right, I mean they both were

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Speaker 3: great testers, rare size, but one of them is using

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Speaker 2: I want to up here with Trubisky, there's the snap

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Speaker 2: and boop. That's just a quick comeback. There could be

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Speaker 2: a little bit quicker coming out of break. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's why it's about a ten yard dig, big body guy.

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Speaker 3: Though he uh, if you.

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Speaker 2: Talk to him. I told him this, I was like,

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Speaker 2: you should do voiceovers professional. Really, I never heard he's

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Speaker 2: got the James Earl Jones type. Boy.

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Speaker 3: Really it's very Darth Vader.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just catching the football here. Offensive lineman's getting

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Speaker 3: That's been a big thing too, is putting on this

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Speaker 3: giant chess protector thing that they've been wearing. They do

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Speaker 3: a post game. It's like it's like a catcher chess protector.

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Speaker 2: Except it's padded even more.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, four inches deep, you know, and they're just so

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Speaker 3: they don't destroy their body with their punches, but practicing

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Speaker 3: getting that punch in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, here's where you want to hit.

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Speaker 3: Green's wearing it right now. He's being the defensive lineman.

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Speaker 3: They're practicing and given each other pointers.

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Speaker 2: With James Daniels right now, Daniels showing him what he

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Speaker 2: wants here. He wants them apparently to try maybe a

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Speaker 2: little bit of a swim move this next rep and yeah,

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Speaker 3: But I've noticed this every practice someone puts that on,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of good work being done here.

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Speaker 3: And you also have another baby on the field there

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Speaker 3: in the end zone. I can't tell who that guy

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Speaker 3: having a good time. One's about one foot tall one'

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Speaker 3: the goal line, having fun. Probably see pretty quickly who

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Speaker 3: they belonged to. But toddlers, Yeah, yeah, yeah, if I.

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Speaker 2: Had to define toddling, that's what That's.

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Speaker 3: What they are doing, the short little steps. But they're

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Speaker 3: having a good time and they are running around. It's

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Speaker 3: like Dad's on the ground down there, and I can't

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Speaker 3: figure out who it is yet, But I'm gonna.

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Speaker 2: Take a look here and see if I can figure out.

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Speaker 3: That might be people are blocking them, but yeah, that

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Speaker 3: might be Braden for Hako, I should.

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Speaker 2: Say, I can't tell because and the little guy just

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Speaker 2: ran in and tackle Dad.

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Speaker 3: That's what they've been doing. They run out to like

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Speaker 3: the ten yard line, turn around and just blast at

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Speaker 3: as hard as they possibly can.

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Speaker 2: Because that's what he wants after at practice.

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Speaker 3: And look at his daughter out here like coming to

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Speaker 3: midfield running routes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't tell who.

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Speaker 3: Here comes the son again, coming right at him. They

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Speaker 3: out for Hoko. I don't know if that is for Hooko.

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Speaker 3: I I can't I can't tell. It's pretty far and

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of people in between. But yeah, a

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Speaker 3: lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: Another practice in the books here for the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: And Trubisky just keeps their own.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now throwing, I think that is sick.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't tell me. I think it looks like he's smaller.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't have a jersey on. Yeah, here's Boyking again.

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Speaker 2: And that's it. You know, when people talk about a

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Speaker 2: quarterback getting reps with certain wide receivers, those two receivers

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Speaker 2: couldn't be any difference.

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Speaker 3: I'd say, they don't even look like they play the

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Speaker 2: It's kind of cool. Like, you know, Sheldon White tell me,

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Speaker 2: I mean, the environments you don't have that he really don't,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I mean, it's just it's such a

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Speaker 2: is Matt Williamson. I am Dale, lolly Uh. You're listening

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Speaker 2: nine seventy. We are live from the Steelers training camp

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Speaker 2: practice here at Saint Vincent College. When we come back,

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Speaker 2: Tim Benzie on an opportunity to talk to Rod woods

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a good one. So we're gonna hear

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Speaker 2: if I hear that interview, and it's always good to

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Speaker 3: A day where you're putting in shining others. Let's do

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Speaker 2: Let's do that when we come back right after this,

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I am Dale, Lolli. He is Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: and Matt. As we mentioned in the previous segment, Rob

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Speaker 3: Let absolutely hear what what would he.

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Speaker 4: The first thing it comes back is all the hard

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Speaker 4: Chuck Nole was an old school philosophy. But he you know,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, when you're twenty two, though, like like where does

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Speaker 4: But then understanding what he meant years later and him

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Speaker 4: that was the old school dorms.

437
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Speaker 5: I mean, it was nothing here.

438
00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,760
Speaker 4: I mean now they got a c's and all that stuff,

439
00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,199
Speaker 4: so everything is suited for the guys. But that was

440
00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,159
Speaker 4: that bonded us as a unit and as a group

441
00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,800
Speaker 4: and as friends. I mean we still talk today, all

442
00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,080
Speaker 4: those guys, we all talk and we you know, we

443
00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,639
Speaker 4: have a kind of like a well more guys do

444
00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,560
Speaker 4: a golfing circuit than I do, but you know, we

445
00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,439
Speaker 4: all get together and chat it.

446
00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:36,320
Speaker 5: Up quite a bit.

447
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Speaker 6: Well, correct me if I'm wrong, But you actually played

448
00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,440
Speaker 6: your first year before you got here, right, because didn't you?

449
00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,239
Speaker 6: You held out your first year, so you missed your

450
00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,560
Speaker 6: first tour through Saint Vincent.

451
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Speaker 2: Correct.

452
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Speaker 4: Yeah, my first rookie year, I didn't sign my rookie

453
00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:54,000
Speaker 4: contract until October twenty eighth, so I only played what

454
00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,440
Speaker 4: you know, six games, seven games, so I wasn't here

455
00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:02,280
Speaker 4: my rookie year. I came the following year, second year, just.

456
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Speaker 6: Like some of these younger players now have missed it

457
00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:04,920
Speaker 6: for two years during COVID.

458
00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, and I think it's more critical

459
00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:12,720
Speaker 4: today to have it because you only have three preseason

460
00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,760
Speaker 4: games and you have a seventeen game, so you need

461
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,919
Speaker 4: that and you want to hear for sixteen weeks or

462
00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,400
Speaker 4: excuse me, sixteen days, and that you got to bond

463
00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:25,760
Speaker 4: fast with the teams today where we had time to

464
00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,360
Speaker 4: bond being here, and then we had our four preseason

465
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,600
Speaker 4: games on top of that, so we had an extra

466
00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,640
Speaker 4: couple weeks to kind of get things going.

467
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Speaker 5: Where these guys today when they come in, they got

468
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Speaker 5: to be ready.

469
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Speaker 4: I mean, sixteen days is not a long time, and

470
00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,159
Speaker 4: you only have three preseason games, so you got to

471
00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:42,399
Speaker 4: be ready once the regular.

472
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Speaker 5: Season starts, you got to be ready to be on

473
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 5: your a game.

474
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Speaker 6: So a lot of the defensive players were talking about

475
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:47,959
Speaker 6: this yesterday.

476
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Speaker 2: I wrote a little bit about.

477
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Speaker 3: It in the trip.

478
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Speaker 6: The theory of how important one of their priority go

479
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 6: to priorities for this camp is to make the offense better.

480
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,399
Speaker 6: Be good enough yourself so you can check challenge the

481
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 6: offense and make it better. Does that sound familiar to you,

482
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 6: especially like during Cowers first couple of years where a

483
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,679
Speaker 6: lot of the defensive players were around that some of

484
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 6: them had been assembled and you were breaking in a

485
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 6: lot of new faces on offense.

486
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Speaker 4: It's similar in that sense where you have a younger

487
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:18,760
Speaker 4: group on the offensive.

488
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,240
Speaker 5: Side, where the same thing is going on this year.

489
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, you do want to make the offense better, but

490
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,119
Speaker 4: that's you want to make yourself better each week and

491
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 4: each day. You want to be a better version of

492
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 4: yourself tomorrow than you are today. Only way to do

493
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,879
Speaker 4: that is to be honest with yourself and to work.

494
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:37,400
Speaker 4: I mean, there's no formula for success and greatness outside

495
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 4: of work. Hard work can get you to that other point.

496
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,119
Speaker 4: I mean, on the other side of pain is that greatness.

497
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 4: And they have the ability to be great if they

498
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 4: can keep playing together, working together, figuring out how to

499
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 4: get to the next level on the defensive side, to

500
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 4: get to that dominance that I know they can be.

501
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 4: And then on the offensive side, they're going to be younger,

502
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 4: so they're going to play young at times, but they'll

503
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 4: play great at times because they are talented. But it's

504
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,160
Speaker 4: going to come really come down to the same aspect

505
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 4: that I always say that as a when you're a Steeler,

506
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 4: it's always you want that defense to be physical, even

507
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 4: though it's hard to be physical in today's game, but

508
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 4: you still want them to be physical.

509
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 5: You can't let the.

510
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 4: Refs dictate how you play the game. And the health

511
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,200
Speaker 4: of TJ. Watt is going to help them be physical

512
00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 4: throughout the whole year. He has to stay healthy. If

513
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 4: he stays healthy, they got a pretty good defense when

514
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 4: he's he's around when he's not healthy.

515
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Speaker 5: They're not the same type of defense.

516
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 6: When it comes to maturing and maturing quickly as a corner.

517
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 6: You mentioned you had a truncated rookie season. Joey Porter

518
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 6: junior is here from Jump Street, got his contract signed

519
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 6: right before the start of camp. Corey Trice is another

520
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 6: rookie corner. They got from your alma mater. They got

521
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 6: from Purdue. You've seen some Big ten football. I'm sure

522
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 6: you've seen Corey and Joey play a little bit here

523
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 6: and there. How cable ready are they to contribute? And

524
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,439
Speaker 6: what are the biggest lessons you have to learn quickly

525
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 6: in your rookie years in an NFL corner.

526
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 4: No seems, no post, no goals, okay, don't get b deep,

527
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 4: just like if any.

528
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 6: Those first words that a dom Caper's mouth to you

529
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 6: and you no.

530
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 4: Well, when I first got into the league, I mean

531
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 4: I got to remember Tony Dungee was my coach, right.

532
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 4: Tony was very subtle and kind and I needed Tony

533
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 4: when I first came into the league. But as a

534
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 4: young player, you know, for me, I was a safety

535
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 4: that moved a corner right, So I was learning how

536
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 4: to play that position. These guys are playing their positions,

537
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 4: so they should have a quicker turnover of getting into

538
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 4: the league and playing the positions that they're playing. But

539
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,679
Speaker 4: at the end, all it's really about when you go

540
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 4: to college, and the difference between college and the pros

541
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 4: is that in college you have some of those some

542
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 4: of those weeks that you're like, oh, these guys aren't

543
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 4: that good. You don't have those days in the pros.

544
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,199
Speaker 4: I mean, every week you're playing the best of the

545
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 4: best of the best in the world, and you have

546
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 4: to be on your a game. But you have to

547
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 4: keep learning the game mentally, and you got to keep

548
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 4: playing the game, the cat and mouse game with the

549
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 4: quarterbacks and receivers. You can't show one thing and only

550
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 4: do one thing as a corner. If you do that,

551
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 4: if you ever, if you're always pressed and you're always

552
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 4: playing man, when you're pressed, everybody knows it.

553
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 5: They'll game plan you.

554
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 4: But now you can press, you can bail, you can

555
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 4: press bell stop, you can do all kinds of different

556
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 4: things to receivers and quarterbacks. They make make them think

557
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 4: about what you're doing. But that comes with age, you know.

558
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 5: So I would think that.

559
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 4: The young corners out there first thing. No seems on

560
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 4: postal go stay upfield shoulders, make them work their way

561
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 4: down the field and hopefully somewhere along the line the

562
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 4: offense will.

563
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 5: Make a mistake.

564
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 6: And especially with their physical capabilities their size, they've got

565
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 6: the look of NFL corners. If they remember those principles,

566
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 6: it could be an accelerated learning curve.

567
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 3: It could be.

568
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 5: But the size is great. Now.

569
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 4: You got to play big, right, so you got to Yeah,

570
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,959
Speaker 4: you're big, You're a big, physical guy coming off the bus.

571
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 4: Can you do you play big or do you play small?

572
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 4: I've seen big guys play small. I've seen small guys

573
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 4: play big. So it depends on how they develop and

574
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 4: how they play when they step onto the football field. Yeah,

575
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 4: in college they did play big, but this is not college.

576
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 4: I mean, you're the best of the best of the

577
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 4: world is playing here now. The great thing is is

578
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 4: that the way they've kind of played the offensive side

579
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 4: of football in college is very similar to what they're

580
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 4: doing in the pros. So the change over in that

581
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 4: turnover the way they see things is not so dramatic.

582
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 4: So I think that's going to help them when they

583
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 4: step onto the football field on game.

584
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 6: Day, last thing about this current team, and oscar about

585
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 6: some your nineties memories, but last thing about this current team.

586
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 6: When it comes to coaching cliches, I think every coach

587
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 6: I've ever talked to has said, the biggest leap you

588
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 6: make is between year one and year two.

589
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 2: Do you find that to be that you disagree with that?

590
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,479
Speaker 5: Disagree with that you do all right?

591
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 4: I think the biggest jump is from year two to

592
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 4: year three. Oh okay, I mean to me, yeah, year

593
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 4: one of year twos because you get to see that

594
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 4: these guys are fast. Like I knew, you know, when

595
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 4: I came in, I knew I was fast, but I

596
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 4: realized a lot of guys are fast in this league.

597
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 4: But the biggest jump that I made was from year

598
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 4: two year three because it was mental. Yeah, year two,

599
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 4: you're still trying to figure it out because you've seen it.

600
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 4: You said, oh, these guys are pretty good, so you've

601
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 4: seen them physically do things, But mentally.

602
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 5: The capacity has to grow.

603
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 4: And then I think once that's when you realize that

604
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 4: the game is starting to slow down for you.

605
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 5: Mentally.

606
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 4: It's normally that second to third year where you've been

607
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 4: in it a couple of years and you're like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

608
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 4: I've seen that before.

609
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 6: It's funny you said that, because I was gonna ask

610
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 6: you if that second to third year is actually more

611
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 6: applicable for quarterbacks, because like Kenny Picket's going to his

612
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 6: second year and that jump sometimes may not be as

613
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 6: pronounced because they have so much to learn. But then again,

614
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 6: it can also be more pronounced because they're starting from

615
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 6: such a little point as a rookie, was so much

616
00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 6: to do as a quarterback.

617
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I don't believe that we should go

618
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 4: out in grade and rank players the first couple of

619
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 4: years because they're still learning, they're young players. I mean,

620
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 4: if people did that to me coming out, that'd have

621
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 4: been because I got beat quite a bit. And then

622
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 4: somewhere along that third year where Rod Russ came in

623
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 4: as our dealence coordinator and he helped me understand the

624
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 4: game and that the game is played through formations, not

625
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 4: personnel groupings.

626
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 5: And it just kind of like dream light clicked on.

627
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 5: It's like, oh my god, that's all they do.

628
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 4: They don't really change, and really, I think for most players,

629
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 4: after the first two years, they get so comfortable and

630
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 4: now they're saying oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen this team,

631
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 4: you know this many times. You know, we've seen Baltimore,

632
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 4: you know four times.

633
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 5: This is what they do.

634
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 4: When they get through this formation, they're not going to

635
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 4: really change. And that's when your comfort zone. That's when

636
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 4: you can start playing subconscious because that's where you want

637
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 4: to get your guys to. You want to get them

638
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 4: where they play subconscious thinking when they step on the field.

639
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 4: If you think on the field, you're gonna think wrong

640
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 4: sometimes and you're gonna sometimes hesitate, and that hesitation gets

641
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 4: you beat.

642
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 5: It's that subconscious play where you just go out and

643
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 5: do it where you're not thinking about breathing. You just breathe.

644
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 4: You don't think, you don't think about walking, you just walk.

645
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 4: Well's the same thing in football. You don't think about

646
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 4: where your foot is going and where you want to be.

647
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 5: You just do it.

648
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 4: And I think that to me, happens more in your

649
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 4: third year than from your second year.

650
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 5: First to second year.

651
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 4: I think once you get to that third year, that's

652
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 4: when you get really comfortable and everything is slowed down

653
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 4: for you and you can just start being athletic, and

654
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 4: that's what you want.

655
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 5: At the end of the day.

656
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 4: You just want your guys to go out there and

657
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 4: be athletic for them and just go go out there

658
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Speaker 4: and play.

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Speaker 6: Lastly, when the calendar turns to be the thirtieth anniversary

660
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Speaker 6: of the ninety four team, next year will be the

661
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Speaker 6: thirtieth anniversary that seem to want to play Dallas in

662
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Speaker 6: the Super Bowl. What do you remember most about the

663
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Speaker 6: assembly of those two rosters and how close you came

664
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Speaker 6: but couldn't seal the deal in both hears?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's ninety four.

666
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Speaker 4: Was we just we really thought if we got the

667
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 4: Super Bowl, we were going to win. I really believe it

668
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,959
Speaker 4: in our hearts, you know. Unfortunately for us, you know,

669
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Speaker 4: third and seventeen, we get beat over the top and

670
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 4: we marched back down, but we we don't score, and

671
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Speaker 4: San Diego goes and I think they got blew out

672
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Speaker 4: and I can't remember their final score in the Super Bowl,

673
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 4: but it wasn't great fifty Yeah, and then you know,

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Speaker 4: going back in ninety five, I mean, for me it

675
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 4: was a kind of a bittersweet year where I got

676
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 4: hurt my tenth play at the opening game against Detroit.

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Speaker 4: But having a coach like Bill Kauer, who was open

678
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 4: minded to listen to me, to keep a roster spot

679
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 4: open for me for the whole year, knowing that we're

680
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 4: good enough to win and to get to that point

681
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 4: again and to leave that spot open for me was

682
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Speaker 4: pretty amazing. Then we go to you know, we play Dallas,

683
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Speaker 4: we don't get to win, but at least you know,

684
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Speaker 4: that was my first super Bowl. And you never know

685
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 4: in your career how many times you're going to go back, right,

686
00:29:58,800 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 4: I didn't know I was going to go back too

687
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 4: much times, not here in Pittsburgh, but I still went

688
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 4: back two more times as a player.

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Speaker 5: You just never know that.

690
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 4: So having those opportunities, but remembering those guys, you know,

691
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Speaker 4: if you know, I think what's underrated about that whole

692
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 4: two years is how good Colonel Lake was who had

693
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Speaker 4: to move to corner, who played outside linebacker in college,

694
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Speaker 4: moved to safety, played our dime, moved the corner, and

695
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Speaker 4: how great he played at the position to get us

696
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Speaker 4: to the point to go to the Super Bowl. I

697
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 4: think a lot of people forget about that, and we

698
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Speaker 4: talked about it all the time, how great athlete was.

699
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 4: And he doesn't get mentioned enough with that, But if

700
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 4: he didn't get to do that, and then Bill Cower

701
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 4: didn't have I don't know if trusted me to believe

702
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 4: in who I am, you know, he would have put

703
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Speaker 4: me on IR.

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Speaker 5: And I would have been done. It wouldn't have been

705
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Speaker 5: the ninety five season for you.

706
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Speaker 6: You had one super Bowl under your belt if nothing else.

707
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 5: Nothing else.

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Speaker 4: I said, hey, listen, four months man, we can We

709
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 4: got a good football team. I don't think nobody's going

710
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 4: to beat us. We're going to get back to the postseason.

711
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 3: Now.

712
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 4: We's got to win in that championship game. And we

713
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 4: did so and had that opportunity.

714
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Speaker 2: That was Tim Ben's with Hall of Famer Rod Woodson,

715
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff in there, Matt. You hear him

716
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: talking about those teams of the mid nineties that you

717
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: know went to AFC championship games, it went to the

718
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: Super Bowl in ninety five, and he's right, Cardinal Lake

719
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Speaker 2: is no.

720
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Speaker 3: Doubt. Big impression I get just hearing him speak, is

721
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 3: how cool, calm, confident he is. I mean, he knew

722
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 3: he was good and he's always that way. Yeah, it's

723
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 3: really you imagine being his teammate and watching him on

724
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 3: the field and then having him speak with you that way. Yeah,

725
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Speaker 3: And I love. They brought up Lake too, I mean,

726
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 3: perfect call of honor Steeler, you know what I mean,

727
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 3: Like the epitome of why that exists is a guy

728
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Speaker 3: like Cardinal Lake.

729
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean again, to make that transition from college

730
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 2: linebacker to safety and end up playing cornerback in the.

731
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Speaker 3: N Right, it's unheard of, Right, he was like tooth

732
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 3: two twenty or something like that, right, right.

733
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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if it's ever been done

734
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Speaker 2: by anybody else.

735
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Speaker 3: I bet not.

736
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Speaker 2: I mean it's not in the last you know, in

737
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Speaker 2: the modern era of football.

738
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's such a team game that it's

739
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 3: not all about the Hall of famers. I mean that

740
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 3: a lot of those squads, Aaron Smith, Kasey Hampton, et cetera,

741
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 3: et cetera. Altho, I mean Levon Kirkland. There's so many

742
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,959
Speaker 3: Steelers defenders that were tremendous football players that might not

743
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 3: quite got the accolades that you know, the national media realize. Yeah.

744
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Speaker 2: Always good to hear from Rob Woodson again, Just he's

745
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: been around the game for so long now, Yeah, truly

746
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: an player and a coach. Yeah, he's well deserving of

747
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: being in the Hall of Fame. I mean That's wasn't

748
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: even a question of when, you know, if he was

749
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Speaker 2: going to go in.

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Speaker 3: And I referenced Mike Lombardi, a lot who was a

751
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 3: GM in the league, and you know he's writing a

752
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 3: second book right now, kind of tiering the Hall of Famers. Yeah,

753
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 3: I think Rod's a Tier one corner, I mean, which

754
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 3: is like the ultimate. It's like Blunt and him and

755
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 3: Dion and then who knows.

756
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Speaker 2: For sure. But we're to get to another break.

757
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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 2: He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. We are

759
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Speaker 2: live from Steelers training camp here at Saint Vincent College.

760
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 2: The Steelers are wrapped up training camp practice number three.

761
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Speaker 2: We got one more left, Matt, tomorrow before they take

762
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Speaker 2: a break on Monday and then the pads come on

763
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Speaker 2: on Tuesday.

764
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Speaker 3: Yeah, right right, good stuff for that.

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Speaker 2: So we'll keep you covered here with everything on that front.

766
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Speaker 2: But we're gonna take a break right now here on

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Speaker 2: ESPN nine seventy and Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back

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Speaker 2: with more right after.

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