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Speaker 1: Michael Cohen's plea with the federal prosecutors in the Southern

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Speaker 1: specific issues. UH. The same with Paul Manafort. Has been

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Speaker 1: stay there for a second. We do know that Judge

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Speaker 1: us now is former prosecutor himself, as Joe de Geneva,

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Speaker 1: Joe will bring you into all of this. Eight of eighteen,

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Speaker 1: I think if you're Bob Mueller, you're pleased with a

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Speaker 1: He got a conviction in something totally unrelated to collusion,

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Speaker 1: So in that sense it is a defeat. But this

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Speaker 1: Karen McDougall. Uh. I know he's on record. There's a

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Speaker 1: we have pulled up a couple of them where Michael

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Speaker 1: Cohen has directly been quoted as saying that Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: did not know that he paid off In the case

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Speaker 1: of count eight Stormy Daniels, Uh and for his own reasons,

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Speaker 1: con said he made a payment with no expectation of

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Speaker 1: getting reimbursed. And Uh. Anyway, Andy McCarthy knows the law

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Speaker 1: as well as anybody, and he served in the prestigious

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Speaker 1: Southern District of New York. How many years were there

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Speaker 1: I know you worked on the First Trade Center bombing

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Speaker 1: and the Blind Shade case, and you an amazing prosecutor.

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Speaker 1: And this is one of the toughest districts as it

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Speaker 1: relates to UH, federal prosecution in the country. Yeah, close

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Speaker 1: to twenty years sean amazing. Yeah. The thing with the

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Speaker 1: Cone case, UH, just so we can go lawyer on

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Speaker 1: everyone here is there's a difference between a direction to

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Speaker 1: pay the money and the filing of whatever campaign finance

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Speaker 1: disclosures are available. And as I understand it, in his

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Speaker 1: guilty plea elocution, what Cohen says, as he was directed

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Speaker 1: by the candidate to pay the money, that doesn't implicate

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Speaker 1: the crime here is not paying the money. The crime

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Speaker 1: here is not making the required campaign finance disclosure. Now

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they could argue that it was implicit that

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Speaker 1: there would be no disclosure, because that's why you make

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Speaker 1: the payment in the first place. But the important thing

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Speaker 1: is there is a difference between a direction to make

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Speaker 1: a payment and a direction not to file a required

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Speaker 1: campaign disclosure. And I didn't hear anything that in what's

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Speaker 1: been reported or what he said in his elocution that

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Speaker 1: the president directed him to violate the campaign finance laws. Well,

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Speaker 1: that that is a you know, this is why you're

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Speaker 1: so good at what you do. I never would have

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Speaker 1: picked that up myself, to be very blunt. And and

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Speaker 1: this is where a lot of nuances in this. The

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Speaker 1: prosecutor I don't know if you know him, the one

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Speaker 1: that gave the press conference. His name escapes me at

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Speaker 1: the moment, but I mean it was very eloquent and

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Speaker 1: explaining what this case was about. But he also talked

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Speaker 1: about a pattern of dishonesty that has gone on for years,

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Speaker 1: and false reimbursement and so on and so forth, and

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Speaker 1: things that he filed and statements. And when I go

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Speaker 1: to the issue of Michael Cohen had said previously, is

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Speaker 1: that an issue? Do you see this in any way

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Speaker 1: as an issue for the president? Well, I at the moment,

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Speaker 1: I think the political ramifications of this the worst of

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Speaker 1: the presidents and the legal ones, because what happened here.

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Speaker 1: If you're regarding someone as a cooperating witness on what

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Speaker 1: you would usually do is throw the book at him.

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Speaker 1: You wouldn't be talking about three to five years in prison.

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Speaker 1: So what they've done here is they've treated this as

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Speaker 1: a straight up plea, not a Cooperation agreement. They probably

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Speaker 1: don't regard him as a potentially good cooperator because he's

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Speaker 1: made so many statements all over the map that he's

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Speaker 1: not the kind of guy you would want to put

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Speaker 1: on the stand. So I think what he has said

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Speaker 1: in court today is politically damaging. So the president, there's

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Speaker 1: no question about that. But as far as legally is concerned,

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Speaker 1: I don't think they see this guy as someone they

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Speaker 1: want to build a case on. And I think Muller

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Speaker 1: has already decided that he doesn't help on collusion with Russia,

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Speaker 1: which is why the Southern District got the case in

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Speaker 1: the first place. Well, let me then ask this. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if we're looking at this and it's tunnel. I thought

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Speaker 1: this was all supposed to be about Russia and Trump

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Speaker 1: and campaign and collusion with Russia to influence the campaign.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I can go through, you know, all

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Speaker 1: the cases where Clinton charities had to refile their tax

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Speaker 1: returns and because errors or the fact by the way,

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Speaker 1: the president arrived in West Virginia, he's gonna he's speaking. Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll run that in a minute. But Al Sharpton didn't

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Speaker 1: at a four point five million dollar tax bill. He

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Speaker 1: didn't pay. And Tim Geitner, remember the tax chief, Tim Geitner,

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Speaker 1: he regretted mistakes with taxes. But Okay, I understand the

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Speaker 1: law is the law, and I have said this to

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Speaker 1: everybody I know for years. Pay your taxes. So if

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Speaker 1: I look at Michael Cohn and Paul Manafort, this are

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Speaker 1: the lessons that I get. Don't lie in when making

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Speaker 1: a an application for a loan to a bank, don't lie,

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Speaker 1: pay your taxes, and in the case of Flynn and Papadopolis,

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Speaker 1: don't lie to the FBI. And if we're gonna add

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Speaker 1: the one other issue we're talking about count seven and

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Speaker 1: eight with Michael Cohne, don't make contributions, uh that that

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Speaker 1: to a campaign and then try and put it off

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Speaker 1: through false reimbursements to silence a woman, etcetera, etcetera. With

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Speaker 1: the what the prosecutor in the case said, if I

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Speaker 1: sum it up, that I sum it up pretty well. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And the only thing I would add to that is

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Speaker 1: the issue I think that we're going to have to

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Speaker 1: look at hard and discuss over the next days and

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Speaker 1: weeks is whether there's been a change in the way

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Speaker 1: they enforced the campaign finance laws. So in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and eight. To take this example, the Obama administration commits

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Speaker 1: over two million dollars worth of campaign finance violations and

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Speaker 1: is permitted by the Eric Holder led Obama Justice Department

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Speaker 1: to settle that with a fine to the SEC. I

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Speaker 1: think it was a three thousand dollar fine or so,

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Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm remembering right. So in other words,

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Speaker 1: that was a major violation that was not handled as

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Speaker 1: a selony. And now you know, suddenly it looks like

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Speaker 1: we're we're changing course and treating this as a felony.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to I'm not trying to excuse unlawful behavior,

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Speaker 1: but I do think that it's important to look into

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Speaker 1: whether the government is handling these matters consistently or not well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think a lot of that goes to

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Speaker 1: one of the arguments I have been making. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know my arguments as well as anybody, and I

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Speaker 1: believe that you don't make it write an exoneration before

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Speaker 1: you interview seventeen key people. In the case of Hillary,

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Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen a bigger case, clear

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Speaker 1: cut case of obstruction than what she did with with

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Speaker 1: subpoena emails and her hard drive with bleach bid and

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Speaker 1: busting up devices with hammers and removing SIM cards and

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Speaker 1: and I do believe what happened to the FIS accord

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Speaker 1: on four separate applications was a fraud and lies to

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Speaker 1: a judge. I don't I wouldn't add that to the list.

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Speaker 1: Don't do that stuff either. I don't think you'd recommend

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Speaker 1: me doing it if you're my attorney. Um uh. And

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Speaker 1: and she's got a way with it. And then we've got,

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Speaker 1: you know, the issues involving the Espionage Act. And then

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Speaker 1: we've got all these fired FBI and d o J people.

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Speaker 1: I mean, twenty five people have either been fired, demoted,

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Speaker 1: or resigned. The top people, I mean from from Comey

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Speaker 1: to McCabe, destruct to Page and on, Sally Yates and

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Speaker 1: Bruce or and everybody in between. I mean, it seems

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Speaker 1: like we don't have any movement about everyone. I don't

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Speaker 1: see any indictments about Lyon defies the court judges. Isn't

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Speaker 1: that bad? No, not at the moment now where you

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Speaker 1: understand that there's two different investigations of this going on

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Speaker 1: at the Justice Department. Will have to see how that

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Speaker 1: turns out. But I think there's a profound case that

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Speaker 1: there has been or have been, two different standards of

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Speaker 1: justice depending on who it is who's violating the laws.

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Speaker 1: I'm not casting as versions at my old office. I

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Speaker 1: think very highly the people there. Jeff Berman, who I

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Speaker 1: think is the U. S attorney that you were referring

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Speaker 1: to earlier. Is President Trump's appointee there? Now he was

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Speaker 1: he was refused from this. Oh okay, was it Rob

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Speaker 1: Kuzami then? But it was somebody yes, yes, yeah, because

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Speaker 1: Rob Kuzami was my partner or one of my partners

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Speaker 1: on the blind cases. It seems very smart, very efficient.

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Speaker 1: They gave a you know, totally professional press conference. Let

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Speaker 1: me play for you, Andy, if I might. This is

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Speaker 1: the President arriving in West Virginia reacting to both cases.

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Speaker 1: Were sad about that it doesn't involve me, but I

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Speaker 1: still feel, you know, it's a very sad thing that happened.

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Speaker 1: This has nothing to do with Russian collusion. Just started

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Speaker 1: as Russian collusion. This has absolutely nothing to do There's

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Speaker 1: a witch hunt and it's a disgrace, but this has

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Speaker 1: nothing to do what they started out looking for Russians

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Speaker 1: involved in our campaign. There were done. I feel very

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Speaker 1: badly for bull MANA for it again. He worked for

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Speaker 1: Bob Dole, he worked for Ronald Reagan, he worked for

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Speaker 1: many many people. And uh, it's the way it ends up.

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Speaker 1: And it was not the original mission, believe me it was.

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Speaker 1: It was something very much different. So had nothing to

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Speaker 1: do with Russian collusion. We continue the way. Thank you

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Speaker 1: very much. Right, that was the president's full statement. Uh, Andy,

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Speaker 1: I want to just ask you, I mean, it is true.

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Speaker 1: This is how do you go from Russia collusion and

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Speaker 1: the and the charges are Flynn and Papadopoulos line to

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Speaker 1: the FBI you have tax and and bank fraud in

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Speaker 1: the case of both Maniford and Cohn, and to campaign

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Speaker 1: finance violations? How do we get there? Yeah? Well, Sean,

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Speaker 1: I think that this goes to what we discussed last

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Speaker 1: night with Professor Dershowitz on your show, which is, um,

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Speaker 1: would these guys have been in the crosshairs of prosecutors

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Speaker 1: had they not been connected to the Trump campaign. It's

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Speaker 1: hard to believe that they would have. Uh. It's a

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Speaker 1: standard practice by prosecutors who think that somebody has the

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Speaker 1: uh the evidence that they need to advance an investigation,

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Speaker 1: that you squeeze that person to try to get cooperation.

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Speaker 1: You and I might have a slight disagreement on this,

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Speaker 1: but but I understand the process go ahead. Yet, what

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Speaker 1: what I was gonna say is if if let's say

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Speaker 1: Mula actually takes his mandate seriously and views it that

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Speaker 1: what he needs to do is get to the bottom

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Speaker 1: and answer all the questions about Rusha's interference in the election.

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Speaker 1: Forget about President Trump for a second. Manaford is a

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Speaker 1: guy who has longstanding connections to Kremlin connected people. It

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Speaker 1: may well be that the reason that the squeeze is

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Speaker 1: being put on Manafort is Muller regards him as important

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Speaker 1: in terms of what Russia's intentions are, not necessarily necessarily

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Speaker 1: on the president. Well, that goes to Judge Ellis, who

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Speaker 1: says they're gonna put the screws to Manafort, make him

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Speaker 1: singer composed for the purpose of prosecuting or impeaching Trump. Okay,

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Speaker 1: well so far. Uh Manafort, who, by the way, I

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Speaker 1: had talked to him after all this started, and he

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Speaker 1: said to me, I don't have anything to say. Those

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Speaker 1: are exact words to me. So I'm gonna make the

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Speaker 1: same point that I've made before. Man a Fort was

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Speaker 1: not in Trump world for a long time. It's not

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Speaker 1: like he's a longstanding confident of the president, right, he

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Speaker 1: worked for him for a certain period short period of

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Speaker 1: time during the campaign and for six months, maybe it's

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Speaker 1: seven months now, Mueller has had access to Rick Gates,

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Speaker 1: who is Manafort's longtime partner, and I have to think

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Speaker 1: anything that uh Manafort would have known about Russian collusion,

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Speaker 1: Gates would have known. And yet since Gates got to

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Speaker 1: get out of jail free car. Yeah, but but what

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Speaker 1: has happened to Muller's investigations since then? He's returned two

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Speaker 1: indictments against Russians that don't have a hint of any

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Speaker 1: complicity by the Trump campaign, and they're quietly forming these

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Speaker 1: cases out. So I think, you know, I don't really

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Speaker 1: I think that this is really at this point, it's

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Speaker 1: all about obstruction. I don't think that that that Mueller

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Speaker 1: sees a collusion case here. I just don't, well an obstruction.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's just after Papadoppolos and Flynn,

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Speaker 1: why would anybody ever talk to Muller or any FBI guy.

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Speaker 1: I'm a guy, My mom was a prison guard, my

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Speaker 1: dad was a family core probation guy. And I, you know,

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Speaker 1: to two members of my extended family made the FBI.

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Speaker 1: That was they were deity. You know. The rest were

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Speaker 1: New York City cops and they were deity to me.

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Speaker 1: But you know, um, and then when you know, you

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Speaker 1: watch a case like this, I have FBI, I say,

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Speaker 1: and don't ever talk to the FBI. And I'm like,

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Speaker 1: what do you mean, don't talk to them? My inclination is,

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Speaker 1: of course I talked to them. Yeah, but Sean, people don't.

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Speaker 1: People in these physicians don't talk to the FBI and

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Speaker 1: the prosecutors because they want to. They talk to him

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Speaker 1: because they take it's the least ad alternative they have. Well,

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Speaker 1: but I mean, if you're gonna get like, for example,

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Speaker 1: if Don McGann spensins thirty hours with Mueller, and let's

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Speaker 1: say Trump does go in and talk to him, which

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Speaker 1: would be a bad idea, But if he did, what

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Speaker 1: if he contradicts one, two, or three things? And then

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Speaker 1: isn't it the prosecutor that decides what we believe McGann.

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Speaker 1: We don't believe Trump. We hate Trump. Yeah, Well that's

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Speaker 1: it's it's that's additional reason why Trump shouldn't go in there.

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Speaker 1: I must tell you shown in twenty years as a prosecutor,

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Speaker 1: let alone interview him for thirty crazy right, Well, but

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Speaker 1: it goes to show that he doesn't need President Trump

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Speaker 1: in order to finish his work. It's a great point.

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Speaker 1: Let me go back to the case you mentioned in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. Obama's election campaign didn't properly report

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Speaker 1: Al Right, two million dollars in the case of Cohen

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Speaker 1: It was a record at the time, some three hundred

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Speaker 1: just like what less than three hundred thousand, not two million?

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Speaker 1: Is that equal justice? Yeah? Well, that's and you know

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Speaker 1: who's the other one who comes up here, Sean Danish

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Speaker 1: that's why people look at this stuff and they say,

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Speaker 1: do we really have one standard of justice in this country? Well,

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Speaker 1: I think on all the other issues that we have

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Speaker 1: By the way, don't lie to the FBI, pay your taxes,

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Speaker 1: we're following today. The New York Times reporting that in fact,

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Speaker 1: reports that it does not include any cooperation of any kind,

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Speaker 1: that it would include let's see, oh like manaphort, tax issues,

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Speaker 1: on his own, and I know that people have contradicted that,

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Speaker 1: but that's what he's on record as having said. But

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Speaker 1: it's funny as you watch the New York Times, they're

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Speaker 1: they're holding out hope that Cone will cooperate with Muller,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, but they're not biased abusively so at all,

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Speaker 1: because around two this afternoon, that's when they the news

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Speaker 1: first broke that Cone had reached the deal with the

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Speaker 1: Southern District of New York and federal prosecutors, and they

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Speaker 1: immediately raced to the conclusion that he was ready to cooperate.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine what was going through their heads. And

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Speaker 1: then finally, at long last, somebody was ready to incriminate

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Speaker 1: President Trump in crimes that would end as presidency. In

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Speaker 1: the collective media, it's like a collective orgasm of the

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Speaker 1: news media in this country. You know that you could

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Speaker 1: almost hear the screams of omnipotent ecstasy from them. But

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Speaker 1: by three PM they had the report that the Cone

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Speaker 1: deal did not include cooperation. And I don't think I've

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Speaker 1: seen so many sad faces since November eight into the

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Speaker 1: morning of November nine, and they're particularly crest falling over

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Speaker 1: The New York Times Maggie Haberman reporting, Hey, don't worry,

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Speaker 1: Michael Khan can still decide to cooperate with Muller at

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Speaker 1: a later dake. And the plea agreement does not call

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Speaker 1: for Mr. Kha co operate with federal prosecutors in Manhattan,

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Speaker 1: but it does not preclude him from providing information to

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Speaker 1: the Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who's examining the Trump campaign's

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Speaker 1: possible involvement in Russian interference in the tween campaign. There's

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Speaker 1: gonna be any cooperation they would decide now. And let

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Speaker 1: me be very very clear about this, because this is

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Speaker 1: not a small issue here, because if you're watching very

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Speaker 1: of three to five years, if if they've written him

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Speaker 1: off as a cooperator, you're never gonna leave a cooperator

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Speaker 1: to five years. And that's what we have actually been

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Speaker 1: hearing and what is being reported. NBC is reporting a

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Speaker 1: possible jail time three to six years. And probably if

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Speaker 1: they made a deal, that would include every bit of it.

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Speaker 1: But if he already has made a deal and it

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Speaker 1: doesn't include cooperation. That's a big that that is not

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Speaker 1: a small deal, as much as the New York Times

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Speaker 1: might be upset about it. The other big breaking news

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Speaker 1: is this question that came from the jury and the

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Speaker 1: Mantaphor trial. They have now gone what this is there

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Speaker 1: fifth day of deliberation. It's unbelievable. And the question is

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Speaker 1: if we can't come to consensus on a single count,

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Speaker 1: what does that mean for the final verdict. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: get into the rest of that as we continue. Greg

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Speaker 1: defense attorney. Sidney Powell is, of course an attorney. She

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Speaker 1: welcome all of you. Let's get a general consensus both

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Speaker 1: on Cone and the Manaphor question. We'll start with you Gray,

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Speaker 1: considering you do have the current number one New York

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Speaker 1: Times bestseller in the country. Well, the Manafort trial is interesting.

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Speaker 1: The juries note today was ambiguous. Um, it could mean

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Speaker 1: they've reached agreement on all but one count, but it

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Speaker 1: could also mean they haven't reached an agreement on any

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Speaker 1: of the charges. Now, if it's the latter, then obviously

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Speaker 1: victory for the reasonable doubt defense mounted by Manaforts lawyers.

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Speaker 1: So we'll just have to wait and see how this unfolds.

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Speaker 1: As for the Cohen plea, UM, it appears that most

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Speaker 1: of the charges against him involved tax in bank fraud

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Speaker 1: inflating his assets to get a twenty million dollar loan

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Speaker 1: UM as to the charge of campaign finance violation. Uh

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Speaker 1: if as you stated in your intro, Wait, and I'm

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Speaker 1: just told that another note, by the way, has been

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Speaker 1: sent by the Manafort jury to Judge Ellis. I'll know

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Speaker 1: momentarily what that is. That's interesting, but go ahead. I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry to interrupt you. Greg. Well, if it relates to

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Speaker 1: so called hush money, which was you know, essentially be quiet,

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Speaker 1: go away, sign a nondisclosure agreement. UM, the payment establishes

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Speaker 1: it as a thing of value, and so it technically

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Speaker 1: would be a violation of campaign finance. But it appears

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Speaker 1: as though Cohen has stated repeatedly he did this on

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Speaker 1: his own, so that doesn't necessarily implicate Donald Trump. One

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Speaker 1: thing you know is for sure none of this has

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Speaker 1: anything to do with Trump Russia collusion. You know, but

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Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, you got Papadoppolo's line of the FBI,

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Speaker 1: You got, okay, General Flynn line to the FBI. If

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Speaker 1: we're gonna go down the list, Manafort, you know, old

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Speaker 1: tax and and bank fraud issues, nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: Russia collusion, the campaign or Donald Trump now tax and

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Speaker 1: bank issues as it relates to Michael Cohen and maybe

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Speaker 1: the campaign issues that relates to, you know, him paying

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Speaker 1: what he said was on his own, making his own

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Speaker 1: decision to pay Stormy Daniels his campaign violation. What does

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Speaker 1: your take on all of this, David Shoon? Very interesting

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Speaker 1: breaking because obviously so we don't really know to make

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Speaker 1: of it yet. I'll be interested to hear with new Manafort.

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Speaker 1: Note is I think to decipher all afternoon, whether they

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Speaker 1: they've agreed on all of the others, or they can't

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Speaker 1: agree on even a single count. I tend to think,

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Speaker 1: quite frankly, that it's the former, especially if the judge's

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Speaker 1: potentially that would tend to indicate it. They may have

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Speaker 1: made agreement on all of the counts except one. I

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Speaker 1: factual predicate is in the plea colloque. And they may

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Speaker 1: play it close to the vest, but when he appears

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Speaker 1: plea is guilty plea, the judge is gonna want a

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Speaker 1: factual predicate to satisfy that. Often the prosecutor just reads it,

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Speaker 1: defendant agrees, or the defendant actually says it. On the

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Speaker 1: camp in finance violation, you know, this may be where

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Speaker 1: they got cute. They say he's not cooperating. But if

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Speaker 1: he tries to put the president into that in his

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Speaker 1: plea colloquy on the campaign finance thing, that's going to

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Speaker 1: be very interesting. And of course you were right what

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Speaker 1: you said earlier on that it doesn't it's not presented

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Speaker 1: as a cooperation deal, or they wouldn't say three to

854
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: five years. That's an obvious across a cross examination. But

855
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Speaker 1: but but he cannot decide to cooperate later after the

856
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: deal is all done. Yeah, that's gonna happen. I mean,

857
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 1: it's so ridiculous and it's such an obvious bias that

858
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Speaker 1: they have. But let me go through the big picture question.

859
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: As we're waiting for specifics, I have been told, I

860
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: am confirmed now that in fact, there there has been

861
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 1: a note sent to the juror. And but but I'm

862
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: looking very very closely. Yeah, Jory has sent another note

863
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,439
Speaker 1: to the judge. Could it be possibly, Sydney, they've reached

864
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 1: a verdict. It could be here, It could be them

865
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: telling him they've tried longer and they cannot reach a verdict.

866
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Speaker 1: I missed what you said. Linda was talking in my ear,

867
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Speaker 1: which makes it impossible for me to hear two people.

868
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Sydney, go ahead, it's all right. It means

869
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: that they have tried as hard as they can and

870
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: they have not reached a verdict and deemed themselves unable

871
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: to do. So let me go over this question. This

872
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: question is fascinating. I watched all the comments all day,

873
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: and I can see both sides of it. If we

874
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: cannot come to a consensus on a single count. What

875
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: does that mean for the final verdict? Now? Can you

876
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: interpret that as they've already decided on seventeen counts and

877
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: we have one left, or does this we can't kind

878
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: of consensus on any count a single count? Which would

879
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: you say, Greg, Jared, I but a pessimist, irish and

880
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: me says no, no, no, they got seventeen guilty verticts.

881
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: You know you always think were his case scenario. Well,

882
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: I think the point that David Shone was making is

883
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: a valid one. If the president, excuse me, if the

884
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: if the judge has said that he is willing to

885
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 1: deliver a partial verdict, that does suggest that unanimity has

886
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: been reached either way. It could be unanimous, not guilty,

887
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: unanimous guilty, but on some of the charges they have

888
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 1: reached in agreement. That would be the suggestion here. So

889
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: we'll have to wait and see. There was a tweet

890
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: that went out by Peter Doocey today was a great kid.

891
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 1: I mean I say that because I'm friends with his father,

892
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: Steve Doocy, but he's an incredible reply order that that

893
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: he spoke to a source that was inside the court

894
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: room and saw the note from the jury firsthand, and

895
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: that they saw the word any crossed out before single.

896
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: Now that that to me is is pretty amazing. So

897
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,919
Speaker 1: I mean, if that's the case, then that would mean

898
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: the other interpretation, which would be the best possible case

899
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: Doug David shown for for Paul Montoford and his legal

900
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: ty right. I mean, it's very hard to pass the words.

901
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: He also might have said any could go either way.

902
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: One could make the case that he should have said

903
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: they should have said any of the count if they

904
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: really meant they were hung on all of the counts.

905
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 1: So I don't know. Look, we're gonna find out soon.

906
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: We're just guessing. I thought that once we heard this

907
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: and if it meant just one count was tearing them apart,

908
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 1: that we would get a verdict this afternoon. Frankly, either

909
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: the guy would yield or if there's one holdout or um,

910
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: you know, would go the other way. But uh, I

911
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,359
Speaker 1: don't know. I felt we were gonna have a verdict today. Well,

912
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. What there's no is that they sent

913
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: the judge and we're waiting for that detail to come out.

914
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: The judge did remind the attorneys today in a lot

915
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 1: of detail need to I need not to say anything

916
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: that's coercive to the jury. He told the jury to

917
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: carefully reconsider and re examine all the evidence in the case.

918
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 1: He said, if the jury sends a message that they

919
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: can't get to unanimous on all counts, I will ask

920
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: considering asking the jury where they stand, meaning he will

921
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: ask if they have come to unanimous decision on some counts.

922
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: And then we get the whole issue of Sawyer instructions

923
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 1: and an Alan charge as it relates to this specific case. Um,

924
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: and some were complaining in the media that he had

925
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 1: already asked for the Alan charge is an instruction given

926
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Speaker 1: by the court to a deadlocked jury. And people were complaining, well,

927
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: they didn't say they were deadlocked in a way, they

928
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: might have been saying that and encourage the jury to

929
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: continue deliberating. And and the US versus Sawyer case. You

930
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: you were all familiar with it. What does your take

931
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: on that did he give those instructions seemingly earlier? Greg,

932
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't appear he did. Um. If he

933
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Speaker 1: did it, it certainly was a watered down version of it.

934
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 1: I mean, the the Alan charges UH normally issued UH

935
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: in in fairly UH specific language that follows the Alan

936
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: decisions called a dynamite charge. It essentially means go back

937
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: and try harder. But there's other language in which the

938
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: judge encourages the jurors to try to reach some consensus

939
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: or compromise. We're gonna We're gonna tell our stations along

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942
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943
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Speaker 1: now to find out what that note to the judge

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Speaker 1: and the amount of four cases all about. As we

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Speaker 1: and has made a plea deal. All coming up. All right,

971
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: we just have this breaking news. Uh. The jury note

972
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: said they have reads a verdict on eight of the

973
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 1: eighteen counts in the Mantophor case. They cannot reach a

974
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Speaker 1: verdict on the other ten counts. Wow. Reaction Greg Jarrett, Well,

975
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: I think this is very good News for the defense.

976
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: They mounted this reasonable doubt defense. They didn't call a

977
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,399
Speaker 1: case in earnest with witnesses. Rather, they attempted to pick

978
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: apart the credibility of the witnesses and evidence through cross

979
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: examination of the prosecution's case, and to some extent at

980
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: least is too ten of them. Um, it appears that they,

981
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: you know, succeeded. Uh, but you know, a verdict on

982
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: eight of eighteen. We're sort of presuming that those are

983
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: guilty verdicts, but they may not be. I mean, it's

984
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: altogether possible. Although if I were a betting man, I

985
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't say so, but it's possible. It could be unanimous

986
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 1: verdicts of not guilty. I would if I had to bet,

987
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 1: I'd say guilty. But I mean tenor to the eighteen.

988
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: It's just to me, it's an unmitigated disaster for Mueller.

989
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,760
Speaker 1: I mean. And and maybe there was one little tax

990
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: issue or that or bank issue that they said, you

991
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: know what, he didn't do this right, and we find

992
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 1: them guilty on that, but nothing else. Let me get

993
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: Sydney's reaction to the Sydney Well, it could be that

994
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: they started with the ones they thought were the easiest

995
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: and and got some not guilty agreements because some of

996
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: the counts were absolutely ridiculous, such as charging him for

997
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: a false loan statement when he didn't even get the loan.

998
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: That's a good what a great point. That's why I

999
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: love you. You're so you know, why not state the

1000
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 1: obvious good point? Uh? David? What's your reaction? Well, I

1001
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 1: mean the the again, and I hate to predict because

1002
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: it's impossibly prediculated your is going to do until we've

1003
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: heard from them, but it could well be. I mean,

1004
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: what would make sense you I suppose to be the

1005
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: bank fraud related count There are there are nine of them,

1006
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: I think, instead of eight. Sure you're not Irish like

1007
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: I am. There are because I'm a pessimist. I just

1008
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: assume the worst at all times. I am too in

1009
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 1: a worst case scenario person. But I mean that's that's

1010
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 1: a bundle that you could see a jury might focus

1011
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: on because they're of like kind in the sense the

1012
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: bank fraud charges. Um. But yeah, I mean it, Sydney

1013
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: makes a great case of a great point. He didn't

1014
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: get the loan. Yeah, well, but it's you know, the

1015
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: intent that's unfortunately, Um, the government works both on the

1016
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: intent to get the loan and and the fault finally

1017
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: fault documents reportedly and unintended loss for sentencing purposes. That's

1018
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,919
Speaker 1: where they sort of get you coming and going. But um, look,

1019
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: you know, we we don't know exactly what it is yet.

1020
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: We don't know if it's guilty or not guilty, as

1021
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: Gregor said, and uh, I think we just have to

1022
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: wait and see. Unfortunately, look, there are a lot of

1023
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: implication for all of this stuff. Did they re try

1024
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: those accounts? Is the judge satisfy with homes and does

1025
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: he take a partial verdict? You know, well he said

1026
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: earlier today he would all right, um, stay right there,

1027
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: We're gonna come back. We'll continue, Uh, eight counts. They

1028
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: have a verdict in the Mantaphor case, no decision on

1029
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: the ten counts, and Michael Cohen has surrendered to the FBI,

1030
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: and we expect a plea dealp entered at this hour

1031
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: more when we continue, all right, glad you whether Sean

1032
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: Hannity Show eight nine one, Sean, we have two simultaneous

1033
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Speaker 1: stories we are following at this hour. Well, Michael kna

1034
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: is in court. He has made a plea deal with

1035
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: the Southern District of New York. It has estimated that

1036
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: it's going to be anywhere between three and five years

1037
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: bank fraud charges and tax fraud charges and maybe a

1038
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: campaign finance violation thrown in there as well. Again, he's

1039
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: also according to The New York Times, they believe the

1040
00:58:55,640 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: deal would mean he is a non cooperating witness in

1041
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: this case. The manner for judge is about to interview

1042
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Speaker 1: each juror individually. The jury is now said, in this

1043
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: case it is deadlocked on ten of the eighteen counts,

1044
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: and they have found a verdict for eight of the

1045
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: eighteen counts. Now, that is pretty fascinating. We continue with

1046
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Speaker 1: Greg Jarrett. He now is the number one book in

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Speaker 1: UH first and UM, well, anyway, let me go through

1054
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Speaker 1: what just happened again? We go back to earlier today

1055
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: and the judge got a note from the jury, uh,

1056
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Speaker 1: which was very mysterious to me. I think we now

1057
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: know the answer. If we cannot come to con census

1058
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: on a single count, what does that mean for the

1059
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: final verdict. Well, now that we know that they only

1060
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: found a verdict on eight of the charges and they're

1061
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: deadlocked on ten of them, we now know that there

1062
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: were probably a lot of them. Now it's it's really

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Speaker 1: hard to read a jury. Paul Manaford has found guilty

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Speaker 1: on at least one count. We are now told, according

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Speaker 1: to breaking news and other news about Michael Cohen, he's

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Speaker 1: pleading guilty. As it relates to hang on, I'm looking

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Speaker 1: at what this one count that they are saying here. Okay,

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Speaker 1: the most it could be is seven other counts, and

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Speaker 1: it looks like the jury is deadlocked on They've declared

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Speaker 1: hi mistrial on ten. They now have declared a mistrial

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Speaker 1: on the other ten counts. Now we're getting I guess

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Speaker 1: the jury is reading the verdict on the other other

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Speaker 1: councils before that happens, he's going to interview each dur

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Speaker 1: before he makes a determination. Okay, he's interviewing each joor.

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Speaker 1: How do we know then, why is CNN reporting that

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Speaker 1: the's guilty on at least one count I guess that

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Speaker 1: was part of its Well, we don't know if fake news.

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01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: You know, we have people actually listening. We have the

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Speaker 1: light in the load a little bit here, Son, I

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Speaker 1: don't care any way you spend this, Greg Jarrett, I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is a disaster for Robert Mueller. Here it is

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Speaker 1: weight guilty filing false individual income tax returns, hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: dollar fine, end or up to three years in prison. Um,

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01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: this is now literally all right, that's so all right?

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Speaker 1: Guilty filing a false individual tax return. That's a money thing.

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Speaker 1: It seems on one cast we look at all of this.

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Speaker 1: They didn't take Rick Gates testimony at all, and it

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Speaker 1: looks like the juror uh, the judge in this case,

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Speaker 1: ellis point it being very hard in the prosecution in

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Speaker 1: this case and not allowing them to go into full

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Speaker 1: hyperbole mode as it relates to Ostrich Coats, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Greg, if it's guilty on one all

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Speaker 1: right now, it just came and he's guilty on eight

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Speaker 1: counts in the proa trial hung jury on on ten

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01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: other what's your reaction, Well, that was our suspicion. This

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Speaker 1: underscores just how unscrupulous and over zealous Bob Muller and

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Speaker 1: his team of assembled partisans were. They overcharged this case.

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Speaker 1: Uh And as a consequence, they did not get a

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Speaker 1: verdict on ten of the charges. They did get a

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Speaker 1: verdict on eight of the eighteen total charges. So I

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Speaker 1: would agree with you that this is a an embarrassment

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Speaker 1: and a disaster for Robert Mueller and only serves to demonstrate.

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Speaker 1: Right now, five of the five counts were false tax returns.

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Speaker 1: There were five separate counts, so it's really okay, so

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Speaker 1: that's five of the eight I'm assuming that's right, right, Yes,

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Speaker 1: all right, So failure to report bank accounts of four counts.

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Speaker 1: Loans from Citizens Bank is three counts. So if I'm

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Speaker 1: the guess, they probably went to the loans from It

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Speaker 1: seems like you'd see the loans and tax returns. That's

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Speaker 1: all it seems to be. David shown Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it would make sense now that the package

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Speaker 1: comes one through Fox. The false extra turns could be

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Speaker 1: the failures file and foreign bank accounts. Remember there was

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Speaker 1: a question that came during it, whether there was a

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Speaker 1: report requirement and whether report had been it had been

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01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: reported already. If it's really the way it goes, I

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01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: think right, it's a repudiation of Gates and the prosecution theory.

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Speaker 1: Just the juice here was on the bank fraud charges.

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Speaker 1: That's where the forfeitures triggered. And that's the question of

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Speaker 1: did it man of four and were just Gates? It

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Speaker 1: was done? Well? It is? It raises a question that

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Speaker 1: we've all talked about in detailed, the Sammy the Bull issue. Oh,

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Speaker 1: he kills nineteen people, but he testifies against what John

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Speaker 1: Gotti and then he is forgiven all of that. He

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Speaker 1: gets to get out of jail free. Card Rick Gates

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Speaker 1: gets a get out of jail free card. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: the five Just to be clear with our audience, the

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Speaker 1: false tax returns guiltier. It's five s if it counts,

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Speaker 1: so I would assume that's at least five of the eight.

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Speaker 1: So it's basically okay, he filed false tax returns for

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Speaker 1: five years. Now, by the way, what does that have

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Speaker 1: to do with Russia? Anybody want to venture a guess, Well,

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Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what it should have been an

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Speaker 1: I R s audit resulting in a civil penalty as

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Speaker 1: well as back taxes. That's how cases of uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: tax for all, tax evasion or normally hand handled. But

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01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 1: Bob Muller decided he was gonna throw everything at Paul

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Speaker 1: Maniford to, as the judge pointed out, squeeze him to

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01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 1: implicate Donald Trump, which hasn't happened. Well, I have stories here. Uh,

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Speaker 1: let's go back. This is ABC News reporting Treasury Secretary

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Speaker 1: nominee Tim Geitner sent on Wednesday, he made careless mistakes

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01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 1: when he didn't pay all of his taxes while working

1143
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: at the International Monetary Fund and apologize for senators for

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01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: adding to their burden when the economy is in the

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01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 1: midst of a severe recession. They were careless mistakes. Then

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Speaker 1: I have another article here says al Sharpton's four point

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01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 1: five million dollar tax bill. And then of course we

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01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: had the Clinton Foundation. They had to re audit their

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01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 1: taxes and start paying as well. It seems to me,

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01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: so you've got five cases a tax fraud. What does

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Speaker 1: this say about manaforts Trump Russia collusion. That's what I guess.

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01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Sydney. It says absolutely nothing, because there

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Speaker 1: was no Trump Russia collusion. What it does say is

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01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: that we have a horrible double standard in this country,

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Speaker 1: and that the fact is that Paul Manafort hadn't spent

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Speaker 1: three months trying to help Donald Trump when the presidency,

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Speaker 1: he would not have been prosecuted. Let me interrupt you.

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Speaker 1: Five guilty, five tax fraud charges, one charge of hiding

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Speaker 1: foreign bank accounts. Guilty on two counts of bank fraud. Oh,

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Speaker 1: nothing about Russia. I'm sorry, Sydney. Go ahead. He would

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Speaker 1: not have been prosecuted for any of this had he

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01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 1: not tried to help President Trump win the presidency. And

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Speaker 1: that's the only reason he's been prosecuted. The Department of

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Speaker 1: Justice had already passed on any prosecution of him during

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01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: the Obama administration. So Mueller just got these charges out,

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01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 1: dusted him off, pumped him up, and ran him to

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Speaker 1: try to get him to testify against President Trump. You know, well,

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Speaker 1: that's what Judge Ella said. David Shona put the screws

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Speaker 1: to maniforts or he sings or composes. He never sang,

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Speaker 1: He never composed for the purposes of prosecuting or uh

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Speaker 1: impeaching Donald Trump. So here we are five tax fraud charges,

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Speaker 1: five returns, five years in a row, one charge of

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01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 1: hiding a foreign bank account and guilty on two counts

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01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 1: of bank fraud and his embezzling, tax cheating, lying partner

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01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 1: gets off scott free and to get out of jail

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01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 1: free card. That's a great system. Right, you will hear

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Speaker 1: before the trial and now the prosecutors greg Andre said

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Speaker 1: you will never hear Russia Trump three this case out

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Speaker 1: with the conviction even one. He was here closing the circle.

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01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: Michael probably guilty. Now there's nothing that's whoever to do

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Speaker 1: with it. Very interesting sort of pope. The jury picked

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Speaker 1: on counts to convict on and by on the foreign

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01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 1: bank reporting everybody else out there. The government offered a program.

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01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 1: They weren't sending people to prison these kinds of things.

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01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 1: It was a way to work it out. I've had

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Speaker 1: many of these cases. Uh, pay a penalty and with

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01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 1: the amnesty protment was offered foreign wide. So it's bogus,

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01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 1: this prosecution, but you know it is what it is not. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well let me ask this. So you got Michael Khan

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Speaker 1: tax it's the same thing tax bang fraud, mana fort

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01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 1: tax bang fraud. You got Flynn Lyne to the FBI, Papadoppola,

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01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: same thing, and and all of this has one commonality,

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01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 1: and that is they're connected to Donald Trump. This was

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01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 1: supposed to be about Russian collusion. Now I know that

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Speaker 1: this is big news on fake news CNN and and MSNBC,

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01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at it and I'm watching. Okay, but

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01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 1: they also failed on ten specific counts, Greg Jarrett. And

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Speaker 1: nothing here has to do with Russia. Nothing. Nothing has

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Speaker 1: to do with the campaign nothing. Nothing has to do

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Speaker 1: with Donald Trump. Nothing has to do with Russia. Nothing.

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Speaker 1: And my question is how do we look at this

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Speaker 1: as a system of justice that is fair. Now, keep

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01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 1: in mind this Hillary Clinton had an exoneration written before

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Speaker 1: an investigation. Hillary has the single biggest slam dunk obstruction

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Speaker 1: of justice case in history. Hillary Clinton, we know violated

1206
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Speaker 1: the Espionage Act. We know that Hillary Clinton bought and

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Speaker 1: paid for through funneled money through a law firm to

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Speaker 1: an op research firm, hiring a foreign national who put

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Speaker 1: together Russian lines that he doesn't even believe in. It

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Speaker 1: was used to manipulate and lie to the American people

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Speaker 1: in the lead up to an election, then used on

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Speaker 1: four separate occasions and application US to get a PIS

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Speaker 1: warrant on a Trump campaign associate. They like to four

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Speaker 1: separate PISA judges and committed a fraud on four separate

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Speaker 1: PISA courts. I don't see anybody in these cases, uh,

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Speaker 1: indicted in any case in my book, because you've just

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01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:20,560
Speaker 1: outlined it quite nicely chapters one through twelve. Um, and

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Speaker 1: Sydney is right that this is a glaring unfair double standard. There,

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01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:30,879
Speaker 1: you know, are two or three different systems of justice,

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01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:33,560
Speaker 1: and one of them is, if you're Hillary Clinton, you

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01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 1: can engage in all manner of criminality and get away

1222
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:41,679
Speaker 1: with it. Um. They you know, they cleared her before

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01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: they even interviewed her in sixteen others in the case. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And as I point out in my book, they you know,

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Speaker 1: I've interviewed so many different federal prosecutors and former FBI

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Speaker 1: top officials and they'll say they've never heard of such

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Speaker 1: a thing. But this was James Cumming and his confederate

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01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 1: who decided they wanted to clear a path for Hillary

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Speaker 1: Clinton to become president because Donald Trump threatened to drain

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Speaker 1: the swamp and they were the swamp and didn't want

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Speaker 1: to be drained. In there and let me ask about that. Well, Uh,

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Speaker 1: let me ask about one other thing. What does it

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Speaker 1: say about the other ten charges that they couldn't come

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01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 1: to a verdict on. It shows that they overcharged the case. Uh,

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Speaker 1: which underscores how over zealous and unprincipled and unscrupulous that

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Speaker 1: Mueller's team is. Uh. These are people who cannot be

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Speaker 1: trusted to be fair and the average American, how's the

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Speaker 1: average American? Well, let me give you some other breaking

1239
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 1: news as we speak here. Uh, so we have the news. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Michael Cohen got very emotional as the judge discussed the

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Speaker 1: possible sentence. And in the federal court, as we've been

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Speaker 1: reporting all day, that they had made a deal with

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01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 1: the Southern District of New York, played guilty to federal

1244
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 1: charges stemming from hush payments to women who claimed to

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01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 1: have had affairs with the president bent under investigation. Saw

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Speaker 1: da da da. Cohen was shaking his head, appeared to

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01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 1: be holding back emotions as the judge judge reviews the

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Speaker 1: possible sentence. Cohen faces a likely prison term of forty

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Speaker 1: six to sixty three months. The judge said Cohen was

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01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 1: charged with eight specific counts evading personal income taxes, making

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Speaker 1: an unlawful corporate campaign contribution, making a false statement to

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Speaker 1: a financial institution, making an excessive campaign contribution in October

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01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 1: of t um and okay, that it's all the same.

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Speaker 1: Where is the Russia here, David, where is it? There's

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01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 1: no Russia whatsoever. Again that we have to keep our

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01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:44,719
Speaker 1: eye on the plea book we for this campaign finance business.

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Speaker 1: What did he say? Is he going back on what

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01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 1: he said earlier? You know, the tansiential issue, the effect

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Speaker 1: on the civil cami meaningless. But you know, now Abanati

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01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 1: certainly will argue that there was an illegal contract from

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Speaker 1: the start there or you know, he wins the case,

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Speaker 1: and of course Abanati hears to be the presumptive Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party candidate for presidents, the Abanati Daniels ticket to um. Yeah, exactly. Alright,

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Speaker 1: stay right there. We're gonna take an early break here

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01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 1: more expecting press conferences a lot in the final hour

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Speaker 1: of the program today, uh and eight nine one, Shawn.

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Speaker 1: We'll also be joined by Joe Dejeneva. He's always interesting.

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Speaker 1: That's coming up in the next hour, and Andy McCarthy

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Speaker 1: is gonna be checking in as well in the next hour.

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Speaker 1: So we'll get a lot more in terms of perspective.

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Speaker 1: Andy worked for the Southern District of New York, just

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Speaker 1: you more information. Eight counts as it relates to Manafort.

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Speaker 1: Eight counts, uh, as it relates to Cohn and we

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