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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio of the

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Speaker 1: George Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Arm

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Speaker 1: Strong and Getty and no Key, I'm Strong and Getty.

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Speaker 2: We heard from Zelenski suggesting the meeting of being productive,

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Speaker 2: that it would indeed touch upon it had indeed touched

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Speaker 2: upon that rare earth minerals deal again, trying to suggest

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Speaker 2: I think Ukraine wants to move forward and finding a

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Speaker 2: compromise there as well. And indeed they discussed some of

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Speaker 2: the elements of piece here, potentially security guarantees, the return

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Speaker 2: of prisoners of war.

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Speaker 3: You have Special Envoy Keith Kennog meeting with Zelensky amid

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Speaker 3: this blistering public feud Ukraine insisting the meeting went well

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Speaker 3: and a new deal over mineral resources is on the table.

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Speaker 3: Zelenski is saying Ukraine is ready for a just and

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Speaker 4: A couple of reports from CNN and ABC about the

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Speaker 4: ongoing talks and the war in Ukraine references to some

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Speaker 4: of the to my mind insane things Donald Trump has

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Speaker 4: said recently, and we'll be getting to that in a moment.

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Speaker 4: It's it's interesting in scanning some of the emails you

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Speaker 4: good people have sent to mail bag at armstrong and

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Speaker 4: getty dot com and feel free anytime. All sorts of

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Speaker 4: people with different theories and or psychoanalyses of Trump and

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Speaker 4: Is saying that Ukraine started the war and Zelensky couldn't

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Speaker 4: could have ended it, and he's a dictator and unpopular

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Speaker 4: and the rest of it. If you think of it

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Speaker 4: from the goal of stopping the war, does it really

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Speaker 4: matter how he gets to the goal. He'll play the

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Speaker 4: villain or pithesides against against each other, whatever it takes

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Speaker 4: to get the win. The rest is just noise. He

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Speaker 4: reigns in chaos during the pot and unexpected ways. It

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Speaker 4: forces everyone out of their comfort zone, breaks down paralysis.

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Speaker 4: That's you know, that's a pretty good thought or two

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Speaker 4: from Ron. Thanks Ron, uh Paolo, Oh, whoops, it's a

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Speaker 4: different topic. This is Steve from Washington State. I fear

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Speaker 4: you've both forgotten the number one maximum concerning Trump. Take

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Speaker 4: him seriously, not literally. I believe Trump is appalled at

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Speaker 4: the human carnage you see. Zelenski is having to leverage

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Speaker 4: or utility in the upcoming negotiation with Putin being dismissive

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Speaker 4: of a Zelenski is useful in persuading Putin to come

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Speaker 4: to the table. It's not personal, it's business. Okay, that

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Speaker 4: could be. Please tell me this is seven dimensional chess,

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Speaker 4: writes Christine. Been listening daily for twenty five years. Thank you, Christine.

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Speaker 4: You must be a patient woman. I'm highly alarmed by

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Speaker 4: Trump's foreign policy right now. It really appears to be

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Speaker 4: pro Putin, anti Europe. He seems to have an unnatural

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Speaker 4: admiration for Putin some strange way.

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Speaker 1: It's all.

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Speaker 4: It's all nutty, working our way toward an absolutely brilliant

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Speaker 4: piece by one of my favorite historians and commentators, Douglas Murray,

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Speaker 4: a couple of things worth knowing. When Russia took over

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Speaker 4: a chunk of the eastern part of Ukraine, Luhansk, specifically,

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Speaker 4: they used Aukraine and dump truck to remove a monument

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Speaker 4: to the victims of the Haladomor, which you may not

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Speaker 4: have ever heard of. Way back in nineteen twenty I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: Thirty two and thirty three, Ukraine was not digging Stalin's

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Speaker 4: brutal totalitarian leadership of the Soviet Union, and the good

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Speaker 4: people in Ukraine were demanding reform and bristling under Stalin.

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Speaker 4: Stalin responded by starving at least three point.

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Speaker 1: Nine million Ukrainians to death.

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Speaker 4: Almost four million starved to death, horrific suffering. Cannibalism makes

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Speaker 4: North Korea look like you're your family barbecue in terms

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Speaker 1: The desperation is. Just it was absolutely genocidal.

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Speaker 4: And when Putin claims there's no Ukraine, they've never had

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Speaker 4: a distinct identity or any They're just part of Imperial Russia,

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Speaker 1: Utterly fictional and full of crap.

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Speaker 4: Ukraine has a very very strong identity, although they have

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Speaker 4: plenty of you know, cousinhood if you will, with Russia.

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Speaker 4: Plenty of Ukrainians live on that side of the border,

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Speaker 4: ethnic Ukrainians and vice versa.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there.

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Speaker 4: Are ties, absolutely, but one of the main facets of

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Speaker 1: I want to lay that to rest. Also troubling to me,

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Speaker 4: Is this demand that train sign a minerals deal, not

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Speaker 1: Much business with them.

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Speaker 4: Russia doesn't dare invade because they then they would be

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Speaker 4: literally it's it's said by a number of observers. Put

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Speaker 4: And Zelensky said, look, I'm open to a deal, but

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Speaker 1: And and it was like being in a pushy car dealer.

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Speaker 4: They said, no, you're going to sign this now, and

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Speaker 4: Zelensky said, no, oh, I'm not. And that is one

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Speaker 4: of the reasons Trump started going off on his high

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Speaker 4: rades about Zelensky and saying things that were ridiculously untrue.

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Speaker 4: You can defend that style of negotiating if you're talking

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Speaker 4: I suppose I think it's unconscionable in this situation.

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Speaker 1: I really do. It's awful, and it's not just morally awful.

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Speaker 4: It damages the US is standing in a way that's

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Speaker 4: completely unnecessary because The truth is, you need friends, and

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Speaker 4: you especially need friends across the long term. And I

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Speaker 4: don't think this is productive at all. But having said that,

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Speaker 4: let's move on to the great Douglas Murray, along with

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Speaker 4: Neil Ferguson, one of our favorite conservative historian slash writers

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Speaker 4: thinkers around here, and Douglas Wrights. It's been a dizzy,

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Speaker 4: disorienting week in an international diplomacy mentions the situation. Trump

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Speaker 4: is absolutely right in wanting to end the bloodshed in Ukraine.

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Speaker 4: The suffering has been appalling in the stalemate, brutal, But

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Speaker 4: in the furious mix of wild opinions this week from

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Speaker 4: that every American voter must hang on to and Trump's

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Speaker 4: rush down the bloodshed. These are also the truths against

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Speaker 4: which any deal will be judged and which will define

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Speaker 1: To ignore them or not treat them with the.

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Speaker 4: Gravity they deserve will also have enormous consequences for decades

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Speaker 4: to come. And if you do not know Douglas Murray,

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Speaker 4: you should know that he is brilliant and incredibly knowledgeable,

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Speaker 4: an absolutely not a never Trump type.

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Speaker 1: That's the last thing he is truth number one.

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Speaker 4: Vladimir Putin started this war, despite what Trump said days ago,

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Speaker 4: and he goes through the history of it. There is

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Speaker 4: no rational narrative outside of Russian propaganda that blames aggressive

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Speaker 4: and this came after Putin had already seized Crimea in

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Speaker 4: Murray writes, I believe it is true that it wouldn't

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Speaker 4: I would agree, But it was Putin, not Zelenski, who

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Speaker 4: there were there some missteps or could NATO have handled this,

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Speaker 4: that or the other better through the years, Yes, but

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Speaker 4: that doesn't justify a full scale invasion of Ukraine. And

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Speaker 4: there's just absolutely no question that truth number two is true.

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Speaker 4: Russia is fighting for conquest. The Russian Federation invaded Ukraine

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Speaker 4: or it's leader, Ukraine is an internationally recognized sovereign nation.

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Speaker 4: Putin invaded in the hopes of devouring the country wholesale.

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Speaker 4: By contrast, Ukraine has absolutely no territorial ambitions in Russia.

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Speaker 4: And remember the brutality of Russia's actions. Among the multitude

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Speaker 4: Why hasn't the US put their release at the top

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Speaker 4: of the list of negotiating demands. Truth number three, Ukraine

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Speaker 4: Truth number four, Ukrainians are not Russians. Ukrainians and Russians

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Speaker 4: Truth number five. Putin is a dictator. He has ruled

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Speaker 4: As I've said many times, the transition from Soviet republic

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Speaker 4: out the Soviet style garbage and corruption. Anyway, Douglas Murray,

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Speaker 4: the other side of the break truth Number seven, Russia

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Speaker 5: I'm fantastic, and you know I'm happy because I get

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Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, I'm gonna embarrass Steve and

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Speaker 5: He said? Oh my god, what is Steve talking about?

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Speaker 5: Oh, the first one is a retirement plan. There's over

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Speaker 5: even better, when you're at the dealer, you say, you

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Speaker 5: know what, there's a special program where I can say

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Speaker 5: to the dealer, I'll give the credit to you. You

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Speaker 5: knock seventy five hundred bucks off the price, so I

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Speaker 5: never have to give you the money and ask for

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Speaker 5: it back. You get the seventy five hundred from the government.

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Speaker 5: There's so much, so much there. Then there's another thing

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Speaker 5: that gets me really excited, something called opportunity zones. Suppose

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Speaker 5: you have this situation. You sell something anything, some gold coins,

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Speaker 5: some stop, real property, anything, and you have capital gain

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Speaker 5: and you say, well, all right, you know, I realize

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Speaker 5: that there's three capital gains rates zero. It's a nice one,

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Speaker 5: but you have to be making less than forty seven

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Speaker 5: grand for that or fifteen percent, which is between forty

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Speaker 5: seven grand and over just half a mil. You know,

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Speaker 5: most people are making under half of MIIL fifteen percent bad,

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Speaker 5: and it goes to twenty percent if you're over five

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Speaker 5: hundred and eighteen thousand. But the bottom line is you say,

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Speaker 5: you know, I don't want to pay that either. So

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Speaker 5: you can go into an opportunity zone and you can

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Speaker 5: defer the taxes until twenty six. As you say, when

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Speaker 5: somebody gives you something nice, what do you say thank you?

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Speaker 1: Of course no, you say more.

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Speaker 5: I want more. And what happens is there's a provision

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Speaker 5: with these opportunities zone. Suppose I do this. Suppose what

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Speaker 5: is an opportunity zone. There's designated areas in our country

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Speaker 5: where the government says, invest here and we'll give you

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Speaker 5: special tax benefits. And there's a tremendous number of them.

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Speaker 5: So you go ahead and do that. And let's assume

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Speaker 5: that you buy a real property for a million bucks.

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Speaker 5: Ten years later you sell it for one hundred million.

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Speaker 5: You've made a gain of ninety nine million. You know,

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Speaker 5: I can calculate the tax on that right now in

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Speaker 5: my head, you know, the taxes zero. What Steve Wait

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Speaker 5: talking about there's a special provision that if you hold

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Speaker 5: this property for more than ten years, when you sell it,

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Speaker 5: there's zero capital game. There's no cap one. So in

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Speaker 5: my example, you made a profit of ninety nine million bucks,

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Speaker 5: you paid zero taxes. Talk about an incentive. So you see,

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Speaker 5: that's why I get get so excited about this and

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Speaker 5: our laws filled with these things.

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Speaker 4: Stephen Moscowitz, founder of Tax Atturning moscow ats LP, is

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Speaker 4: online longtime tax advisor of the show and our friends. So, Stephen,

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Speaker 4: in a couple of minutes, we have left what notable

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Speaker 4: changes to the tax code have happened recently or do

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Speaker 4: you expect to happen as the Trump administration gets gone.

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Speaker 5: So I think there's going to be a lot with

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Speaker 5: the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. When President Trump was

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Speaker 5: president in the first term, he had a lot of

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Speaker 5: stuff that was going to be basically he expected to

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Speaker 5: be re elected and he had a lot of stuff

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Speaker 5: in the tax law that was expiring right after what

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Speaker 5: it was his second term. So it's expiring now they're

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Speaker 5: probably going to make changes and keep a lot of

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Speaker 5: the things. And also so a lot of things that

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Speaker 5: have changed or the numbers, like the standard deduction went

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Speaker 5: up a little bit for twenty twenty four and a

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Speaker 5: little bit of numbers. You know, for example, the art

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Speaker 5: didn't come credit. So we talked about the other end

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Speaker 5: of the scale. For example, suppose you have three kids

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Speaker 5: and you're making under sixty six eight nineteen. The government

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Speaker 5: will give you seven eight hundred and thirty dollars, but

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Speaker 5: is give them will give you the money, so you

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Speaker 5: have those things. There's also change to the kitty tax.

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Speaker 5: It's a small change for kids that are under age nineteen.

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Speaker 5: The first thirteen hundred bucks is tax free. The next

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Speaker 5: thirteen hundred bucks is taxed at the child's right. So

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Speaker 5: if it's a little something. Then the amounts for the

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Speaker 5: flexible spending accounts and the health savings accounts have gone up.

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Speaker 5: So what are those things? Basically, there are two different

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Speaker 5: types of accounts where you can put some pre tax

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Speaker 5: money and I don't get a tax, and then you

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Speaker 5: use it for healthcare. Now there's differences between them, so

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Speaker 5: with an exception, you can't have both. There's an exception,

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Speaker 5: but we won't get into that right now on the show.

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Speaker 5: But for the most part, you say, well, what's more

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Speaker 5: important to me, and you look at these and basically

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Speaker 5: the best way to do it is there are charts

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Speaker 5: and you say, okay, well, a flexible spending account, here's

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Speaker 5: the advantages. With the health savings account, here's the advantages.

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Speaker 5: But basically the idea here is you get a tax deduction,

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Speaker 5: you use the money for medical and isn't that nice?

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Speaker 5: You don't have to pay tax on that amount of

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Speaker 5: your earnings. And the bottom line, for example, with a

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Speaker 5: health savings account, you can triple benefits. There's no taxes

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Speaker 5: on the money you put it in, it grows tax free,

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Speaker 5: and there's no taxes when you use it for medical bills.

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Speaker 5: So again, I mean, you look at this stuff and

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Speaker 5: you say, well, okay, why shouldn't I have it? There's

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Speaker 5: so much in tax complaints about their taxes. My taxes

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Speaker 5: are too much, they're that, but people overlook all these benefits.

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Speaker 5: And again I'm just throwing out a few samples and teasers.

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Speaker 5: There's so much there. If you're interested in this. To me,

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Speaker 5: this has fascinated me my whole life, and it's here.

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Speaker 5: It's available for everybody.

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Speaker 4: Well, if you want to get in touch with Stephen,

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Speaker 4: his number is one triple eight tax deal. It's one

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Speaker 4: triple a tax deal. Stephen, It's always a pleasure. Thanks

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Speaker 4: for the time, interesting and fun as always be well.

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Speaker 5: Thanks so much. I had a great time as always.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for inviting me all right.

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Speaker 6: Democrats are clinging to these radical, losing propositions. Democrats are

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Speaker 6: out there defending the idea that unelected bureaucrats don't have

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Speaker 6: to listen to the will of the electorate, don't have

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Speaker 6: to follow the results of the will of the people

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Speaker 6: expressed through an election, but can do whatever they want.

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Speaker 6: Democrats are out there saying that we can and should

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Speaker 6: spend tens of billions of dollars on radical left programs

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Speaker 6: all over the world, in Bosnia, in Croatia, all throughout

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Speaker 6: the Confident of Africa, and everywhere else, but not here

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Speaker 6: in America.

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Speaker 7: Man, I'm telling the Democrats just sit there, play possum,

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Speaker 7: let them go, let them go. Poll numbers of decline,

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Speaker 7: and the collapse is already underway. Let's see when it

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Speaker 7: put the medicaid budget, when it put the tax to

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Speaker 7: four point five billion dollar trillion dollars, or tax cuts

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Speaker 7: to wealthy people. Just let the ball come to you.

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Speaker 7: We don't need to be aggressive now.

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Speaker 4: Interesting, while he is full of crap, James Carville did

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Speaker 4: express something I've been saying lately, which is the frantic

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Speaker 4: objection to even the super popular stuff I don't get

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Speaker 4: it politically. I guess you need to do that to

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Speaker 4: raise money from your Internet base, which is ruined American

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Speaker 4: politics anyway. Interesting that James Carville, the Rage and Cajun

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Speaker 4: would say the Democrats need to play possum. I understand,

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Speaker 4: we have a story about a seal. Sorry, I was

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Speaker 4: reading and talking at the same time, Katie, Is there

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Speaker 4: anything we need to know about the seals story?

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Speaker 8: He's adorable and he had a grand old time in

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Speaker 8: the city of New Haven?

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Speaker 1: All right, here's a report from NPC. I guess.

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Speaker 9: Police responding to a stranded gray seal pop in the

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Speaker 9: heart of New Haven, slopping more than thirteen hundred feet

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Speaker 9: through the city streets earlier this week and popping up

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Speaker 9: several times away from the water in the days before.

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Speaker 9: And while many joke the seal was chasing New Haven's

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Speaker 9: famous clam pizza, researchers explain.

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Speaker 5: I think that if I was trying to go atlant

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Speaker 5: to find the nice quiet area.

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Speaker 9: Now Mystic Aquarium is helping the youngster pack on the

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Speaker 9: pounds with a delicious diet of fish smoothie and of

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Speaker 9: course haring to help him prepare for the wild. While

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Speaker 9: the pup will eventually be returned to the ocean. His

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Speaker 9: place in America's heart is sealed.

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Speaker 4: Ah, I don't get it. Oh wait, now I get it.

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Speaker 4: Oh clam pizza.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's a weird one, right, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I guess, although you know, I like creative, weird pizzas

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Speaker 4: I have for years and years and years.

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Speaker 1: Hmmm, I don't know about clam pizza. I'm not hankering

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Speaker 1: for it. No, no, not a no.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: The noise at the beginning of that report is actually

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Speaker 8: the noise that the baby seal makes.

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Speaker 1: It's like this where Yeah, okay, beautiful. What was I

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Speaker 1: gonna say?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 4: We learned last week two weeks ago during the One

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Speaker 4: More Thing podcast that sea otters are like Rapie and Murdery.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Should we be as affectionate towards the seals as

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Speaker 1: we are?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, they're sea dogs. They are total sea dogs. Oh okay, yeah, Well,

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Speaker 8: I love dogs. I'm willing to take on the sea

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Speaker 8: variety and give it an audition. So I promised to

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Speaker 8: a funny hockey story, and this is it. You might

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Speaker 8: enjoy this, Katie. So the NHL had this brilliant idea too.

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Speaker 8: The only reason we're talking about hockey. Is the NHL

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Speaker 8: had this brilliant idea that instead of their stupid All

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Speaker 8: Star game that nobody watches or cares about, they would

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Speaker 8: hold a fourteen tournament with players from four of the

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Speaker 8: major nations that supply players to the NHL, the US, Canada, Finland,

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Speaker 8: and Sweden.

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Speaker 1: I think it was Don't assume me if I wasn't wrong. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: that's the idea, and it was a super big success.

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Speaker 1: The guys were playing for country.

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Speaker 4: It was like a mini Olympics, and the fans were

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Speaker 4: absolutely loving it. But anyway, my buddy was a great

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Speaker 4: hockey fan, former very elite hockey player. He was telling

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Speaker 4: me a story about one of his buddies that almost

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Speaker 4: caught out in the NHL.

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Speaker 1: Really really good player.

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Speaker 4: But he was hired to be an extra in a

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Speaker 4: movie about hockey and the director said, all right, we

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Speaker 4: need to have a fight now there's a hockey fight scene.

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Speaker 1: And the guy said, oh, we'll handle it.

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Speaker 4: And the director was like, well, we need to talk

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Speaker 4: about the choreography and the blah blah blah, and the

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Speaker 4: guy said, no, just show me where you want the shot,

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Speaker 4: and the director said, right there in the corner and

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Speaker 4: he went to his buddy. He said, Hey, Jimmy, we're

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Speaker 4: gonna go on the corner. I'll hit you with an elbow,

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Speaker 4: you push me, and we fight, okay, And so they

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Speaker 4: just went in the corner, dropped the gloves, beat the

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Speaker 4: hell out of each other. Great hockey fight scene and

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Speaker 4: cutt says the director, and.

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Speaker 1: They skate away. Hey, you got me with that uppercut.

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Speaker 1: That was good, man, that was really good. That was

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Speaker 1: a good fight.

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Speaker 4: Dude, high five having pounded each other in the head

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Speaker 4: for the movie.

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Speaker 1: That's hockey players. Oh, that's a hockey player.

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Speaker 4: Armstrong and Getty