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And this is amazing to me 21 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: because we've actually got who I believe to be the 22 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: killer on video tape. Now you think, well, there you 23 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: go go ahead and book him. Uh, it ain't that easy. 24 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: The video tape. And this happened to me once in 25 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: a bank robbery case, which I may tell later. I 26 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: will say the bank robber was dyslexic. His bank notes 27 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: said don't touch the al ram. This is a roby. 28 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: Once I got the jury pass that, I started making 29 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: a little headway it. I know what it feels like 30 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: as to many people joining me this morning to have 31 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: video tape or photographs and their blurry you can't make 32 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: it out. It is the devil is in the details. 33 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 1: We've got this guy seemingly coming out of nowhere from 34 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: a hedge or some bushes at a very unusual hour, 35 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: going toward her home. But I can't make him out 36 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: that well, you know what, Let's go to John Linley 37 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: Crime Stories investigative reporter John take it from the top. 38 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: Kay Thompson alone in her upscale Sandy Springs home. According 39 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: to police, she we know, had a blunt force trauma 40 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: and stabbed in the neck. But let's start at the 41 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: get go tell me what happened that night from all 42 00:02:56,040 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: accounts Nancy, Kay Thomason was the perfect other grandmother. Even 43 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: neighbors say that she was one of those people that 44 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: you could always count on. Now, she wasn't what you'd 45 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,119 Speaker 1: call the social butterfly. She kept to herself, but if 46 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: someone needed something, there was no one more dependable than 47 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: Kay Thomas. Now, hold on, hold on, wait a minute, 48 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: John Limley, I don't know what you may buy a 49 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: social butterfly, you know, uh, you know what. Let's go 50 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: to the other ladies joining me this morning. Francy Haggs, 51 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: former federal prosecutor in Francy, you have got such a 52 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: mouthful of a title, no offense, but let me think 53 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: how it went. You were the first federal okay, you 54 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: know what you tell me in charge of child abductions 55 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: and extradition. This position was actually formed for her by 56 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: the federal government. What's what? Give me your whole title? Francy? Well, Nancy, 57 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: don't blame me for it. It's Congress they invented it. 58 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: It was called the National Coordinator for Child Exploitation Prevention 59 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: and Interdiction. You see that, not me? Okay, I did 60 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: not say that. Also with me, in addition to Francy 61 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: Haigs is Dr Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist Dr Bober. I 62 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: don't know how you managed to work a sentiments to 63 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: all the uh insane criminal lunatics you're dealing with every day, 64 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: but thank you. Okay. I don't know Alan if you 65 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: and Jack and I fit into that category. Kenya Jackson 66 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: with me, veteran Atlanta prosecutor and of course Crime online 67 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter John Lemley. You know, John, I 68 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: take um, I take issue with what you just said. 69 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: Oh good, she's not a is she not a social butterfly? 70 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: You know what? Let me just go out to Francy 71 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: and Kenya. By the time I get up at four 72 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: thirty to five o'clock every morning, and I uh make 73 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: the children's breakfast, and I make dinner and set the 74 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: table and work on serious and work on crime stories 75 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: and work on a book and work on Hallmark. Then 76 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: wake up the children and get them to school and 77 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: then come back home and this and that and that 78 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: and this and this and that, and suddenly it's time 79 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: to get them and I have a whole night of work. 80 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: You know what. I don't know what you mean by 81 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: social butterfly. You know, I don't know if you know 82 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: this John Limley or not. But most women are expected 83 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 1: to fully take care of the home. I guess that 84 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:28,239 Speaker 1: includes with the yard, the children. That includes dressing them, 85 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: feeding them, keeping them clean and all their crevices, keeping 86 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: them healthy, feeding them, getting them to school, making sure 87 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: they have everything that they're supposed to have, um making 88 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: money and bringing it home and supporting the family. Okay, 89 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: So Francie Haggs, I don't know what he means by 90 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: she's not a social butterfly. The woman has uh works 91 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: rental properties, she has children, threats you, oldrin. She takes 92 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: care of this home in addition to working rental properties. 93 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: I mean, what does John Linley want her to do. 94 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: That's a great point, Nancy. It brings up mean in 95 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: mind of the old commercial. Remember she can bring home 96 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: the bacon and fry it up in a pan. This 97 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: one was obviously doing all that. Yeah, I mean, yeah, 98 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: I don't even know what you're saying, John Lely. You 99 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: just better back off on this side, okay, and quit 100 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: the giggling. It's not attractive now, John Linley. Now that 101 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: we have appropriately you know, flawed you, now can we 102 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: get back to what happened to this lady? Certainly now 103 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: we were talking about how I noticed Alan do you 104 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: got really really quiet tiptoed away. That's because his wife 105 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: is nearby and she is not putting up with any 106 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: of this. Okay, back to this lady, because I mean, 107 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: it's killing me about this woman. And how can they 108 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: not have any clues when they've got the guy of 109 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: a videotape. Okay again, start at the big inning. Certainly now, 110 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: as we were talking about, this woman was, if anything, dependable, 111 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: and that dependability was something that actually carried over to 112 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: her schedule as well. If there was something on her 113 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: calendar on a sad day, a given day, you better 114 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: believe she was going to keep that appointment. And that 115 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: is what first raised an alarm to family members when 116 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: they found out that she was a no show, that 117 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: she had not made an appointment earlier that day. Different 118 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: family members then tried calling Kay. There was no answer. Uh. 119 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: This went on for a couple of hours. So around 120 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: seven o'clock that night, Kay's granddaughter grabbed a couple of 121 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: friends and went over to the woman's house there in 122 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: Sandy Springs, just north of Atlanta to find out what 123 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: was going on. Oh my stars, Oh my star, I'm 124 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: just thinking Dr Daniel Bober, psychiatrists joining us. I've been 125 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: ribbing John Linley the last couple of minutes, but just 126 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: imagine what this does. I'm thinking of John, David and Lucy, 127 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: my children if they were to find their grandparents dead. 128 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: That's kind of thing you never get over. Dr Daniel Bober. Oh, 129 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: it's beyond terrific. Nancy. Uh. I thought i was going 130 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: to be your latest victim. But I'm glad you just 131 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: asked me a question. So I feel I feel better 132 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: and I'm not shaking anymore. But yes, for sure that 133 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: that would be a horribly traumatic event, and it's something 134 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 1: that staves in the child's mind probably for the rest 135 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: of their life, and keeps, you know, rearing in suddenly head. 136 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: You know, you think in your own home that you're safe, 137 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: But not true with me. Francy Haigs, Dr Daniel Bober, 138 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: Kenyan Johnson, and John Linley. Let's take a listen, allen 139 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: to the nine one one call and see what we 140 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: can learn. I'm not so your emerchant. Yeah, I'm not 141 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: kind of and we just came. Oh, I tell her 142 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: mother and okay, that's all right. Well, Peter, Peter address 143 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: for me here. Um, well, okay, and what's the telephone? 144 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: I'm we're coming from my number is okay? How along 145 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: the LOI fonder? Oh? We were we just found it. 146 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: We just we just we just we'll just start in 147 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: the door. I don't know how how long you've been? Okay? 148 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: Are you with the patient now? Yeah? Okay, I'm on 149 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: the stair on on the stairway. But my friend for 150 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: her daughter helped her. How alticipation? How how old this is? Katie? Katie? 151 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: How old this seventy two? Sorry? Oh I'll cay on 152 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,959 Speaker 1: on one tepo we have I'm saday she late, No, 153 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: she not to wake you, very very she's beyond help. 154 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: I don't know how. And she behind that beyond she's 155 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: work yea very head. Do you think when murdered her? 156 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: You know? To Kenya Johnson, veteran felony prosecutor, I always 157 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: love playing a nine one call in front of a 158 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 1: jury because it takes you back to that particular moment. 159 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: There's no interpretation, You're hearing it raw as it happens, 160 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: and you can learn a lot there you hear the 161 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: nine one one call. But aside from learning about who 162 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 1: found Kay Thompson dead and their reaction. I didn't learn 163 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: a lot about what happened to her, but it's still 164 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: a value. Kenya absolutely if that isn't devastating, nine one 165 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: one calls, you can feel the pain and the panic 166 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: and the caller's voice. And what I wanted to make 167 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: a point about how reliable and how consistent the victim 168 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: was in her life. That helps investigators being able to 169 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: track back the events that occurred because they know where 170 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: she should have been or where she was planning to go. 171 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: And so that really assists with the comeline. We have 172 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: a victim that is so reliable and consistent and so 173 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: scheduled U it helps the investigation and Nancy, I also 174 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,719 Speaker 1: want to mention your on Marbary case. This is an 175 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: al ram that is fodder for legend and it's actually 176 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: a big poster on the wall in the Pulton County 177 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 1: District Attorney's office. So that's so just one of your 178 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: claims to Fane whoa, whoa Are you serious? Are you serious? 179 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: That office? You know? I I haven't framed uh in 180 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: my office at crime Online. That that that's hilarious. That 181 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: and there's so much more to the story which you know, 182 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 1: when you have an hour and a cup of tea, 183 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: ken you, I'll be happy to tell you. You know. 184 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: I mean, I just anyway, off our ram and roby 185 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: and back to this when Keny you're right and I 186 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 1: want to talk about you know, I'm back to you. Limley, 187 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: you know social butter fly. You would never have said 188 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: that about a man. Oh, he's not much of a 189 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: social butterfly. And I'm just sitting here stewing but well 190 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: listening to that nine one. No, you would not. I've 191 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: never heard you say it before. And not only that, 192 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: let me correct you. She works charity at St. Jude's 193 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:20,719 Speaker 1: Children's a research hospital, the Ronald McDonald House Charity and 194 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: many other charities. So I don't know what you want 195 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: her to do? What galivant around at night to hot 196 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: spots and discos and bars. And I don't even want 197 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: to talk about it. I want to talk about what 198 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:37,599 Speaker 1: happened to this woman? What do we know about the injuries, 199 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 1: and what, if anything, does that tell us? First part, 200 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: what are her injuries? John Limley, Her granddaughter and her 201 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: two friends find Kay with a stab wound to the 202 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: back of the neck, a stab wound to the back 203 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: of the neck, and not only that, she had blunt 204 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: force trauma to the head. Francy Haggs, what does that 205 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: tell you, well, Nancy, what it tells me is it 206 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: it's almost a personal crime. It's certainly a very violent crime. 207 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 1: It's also kind of unusual. I'm not sure I've ever 208 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: seen a case where the cause of death is a 209 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: stab wound to the back of the neck. It doesn't 210 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: seem to me that she would have been all that 211 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: hard to subdue, so I find it very violent out 212 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: you know. Another thing, it makes me wonder, Francy, about 213 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: where she was and what we know about the attack. Pristance, 214 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: Was she in bed? If she was in bed, we 215 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:35,479 Speaker 1: don't have any evidence of a sex attack, no evidence 216 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: that anything stolen from the home, such as credit cards 217 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: or a t M S were ever used. So what's 218 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: the point do we know, John Linley? Whether there was 219 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: damage in the home, was it ransacked? What do we know? 220 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: What we do know is that when Kay's granddaughter and 221 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: her friends arrived at the home there on Woodbine Road, 222 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: the first thing they noticed was that Kay's car, a 223 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: black Sorrento, was not in the driveway, so they had 224 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: no reason to believe when they entered the home that 225 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: Kay was even there. Uh, that's when they began searching 226 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: the home, and it was not long before they came 227 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: upon that horrific scene. So what is that that's an suv? Correct? Correct? 228 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: We also know that that that suv was found almost 229 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: immediately after. So let's think this thing through. Dr Daniel Bober, 230 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: you're the forensics psychiatrist. Somebody breaks into this woman's home. 231 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: There's no sex attack, there's no theft of any merit. 232 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: The suv was taken and then left immediately after. So 233 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: what's the point, Dr Daniel Bober. I actually agree with 234 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: your previous guest, Nancy. I mean, if you're a contract killer, 235 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: you killed someone with the right below hundred yards away. 236 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: This is the kind of attack that's up close and personal, 237 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: and so it sounds like the attack or had a 238 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: personal with the victim. To me, it see if it 239 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: feels very personal, it feels very close. Take a listen 240 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: to her daughters. We know that there's a community that 241 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: takes care of their neighbors, who were asking you now 242 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: to help take care of one of the one that 243 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: mattered greatly do us? Oh good? She would have done 244 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: anything for anybody, and so please, if you know anything, 245 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: come forward, anything that you might know. You are hearing 246 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: the daughter of Kay Thomason tearfully breaking down, begging for 247 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: help to find the killer of her own mother. There 248 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: is now a one hundred thousand dollar reward. Repeat one 249 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollar reward tip line seven seven oh five 250 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: five one six nine three seven. This woman a beautiful woman, 251 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: a mother, in her home, minding her own business. She 252 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: lives alone. How many of us? I lived alone for years, 253 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 1: well ever since my fiancee was murdered, until really the 254 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: time I married, had a couple of roommates, but essentially 255 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: lived alone. This woman living alone, She in a home, 256 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: Her children live away from her in different cities. Divorced 257 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: husband is a lawyer and a very uh well known 258 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: lawyer in another town. So how can you be you're 259 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: not safe in your own home minding your own business. 260 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: This is a very upscale area. Did she have a 261 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: burglar alarm? I can't believe that she would go to 262 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 1: bed without locking the doors and turning on her alarm. 263 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: Plus there's video of this guy. Take a listen to 264 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: what cops say about the reward. Hundred thousand dollars that's 265 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: being put forth. I think in the case to the 266 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 1: public how serious we are about solving this case. We 267 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: hope that someone will look at the subject in that video, 268 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: see how perhaps that person walks, See what that person 269 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: was maybe wearing the night of the homicide. I am 270 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: looking at the video right now. It's clearly her surveillance 271 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: video in her home. I'm guaranteeing as she had a 272 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: burglar alarm if she's got cameras. This guy comes out 273 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: of nowhere. I'm telling you, I'm telling you, Alan, do 274 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: have you viewed this video? He It's not like he's 275 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: wandering down the street. Oh no. He comes out apparently 276 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 1: right at her home, where it looks like he's been 277 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: hiding behind trees and undergrowth. He just comes out right 278 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:54,959 Speaker 1: at the entrance to her home. It looks like looks around. 279 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: It's not like, Wow, where am I going to go? 280 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: What am I gonna do? He turns and had rate 281 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: to her door. I mean, Alan, this looks so planned 282 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: to me. Well, he could have been watching this house 283 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: for a while. He looks kind of like a vagrant 284 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: to me, the kind of person we have a lot 285 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: of in in Los Angeles. But in the grainy photo 286 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: at night, you can't really tell. He doesn't look like 287 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: a vagrant to me. I don't know how he can 288 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: even possibly say he looks like a vagrant. Why does 289 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 1: he vagrant? Are his pants torn? I don't see his 290 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 1: pants torn. They look baggy? Okay, well it's baggy alright. 291 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: A vagrant that knows how to beat an alarm system 292 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: and get in murder this woman, stabbing her, bludgeoning her, 293 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:44,479 Speaker 1: getting away in her suv, stealing nothing else, not leaving 294 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: fingerprints or anything behind. Wow, that's some vagrant. It doesn't 295 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: fit the profile of a vagrant as Alan could have 296 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: me believe. Francy Hakes, I agree with you, Nancy. This 297 00:19:55,800 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: seems very personal and very personable. That is personal to 298 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: the victim. It looks like he was stalking her. It 299 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,959 Speaker 1: looked like when he got into her house he murdered 300 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: her in a very personal, very violent way. Interesting if 301 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: this were a personal and violent attack, that there is 302 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: no sex attack. What about it? Dr Daniel Boberg, How 303 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: does that fit into this scenario? No credit cards have 304 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: been used, no a t M has been used. It 305 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: was almost as if the suv there was an afterthought. 306 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 1: It was taken and dumped immediately. I agree with you, Nancy. 307 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: Maybe the motive was revenge. It just seems like pure rage. 308 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: The way she was murdered, um just feels very cold, 309 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: very personal, and very calculated. We know that the vehicle 310 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: was discarded, was abandoned in an apartment complex in Shamblely. 311 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: I would say that's about ten miles from the murder, 312 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: saying Kenya Johnson, what can you glean from the fact 313 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: it was abandoned in an apartment complex. Well, usually people jump, 314 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: I him that they've stolen near their last location, So 315 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: I would imagine that this is an area that the 316 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 1: suspect frequented, he was familiar with, and not far away 317 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,719 Speaker 1: from where he ultimately ended up the night. And I 318 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 1: agreed that this clime doesn't seem like from a vagrant, 319 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: because those are more random crimes, crimes of opportunity. But 320 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 1: they this particular suspect knew that the victim would be alone, 321 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: knew that the victim was of means and uh and 322 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: this sort of seems like a very calculated type of crime, 323 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: although vicious, but very calculated and not random at all. 324 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: But I said, I would say based on the location 325 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: where the car was dropped. If you hang out in 326 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: that area, I think pretty soon you'll either show up 327 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: again in that area or there's some connection to where 328 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: he lives or frequent Kenyan Johnson exactly. And I always 329 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 1: use Scott Peterson as an example, but there's many, many, 330 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: many examples. You know what, he's the big fisherman. What 331 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: did he do kill Lacy and dumper body where he 332 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: went fishing? That does not call for a braining act. Okay. 333 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: People go where they're comfortable, all right, A place you've 334 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 1: been before, your grandmother's property, you're you're where you grew 335 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: up as a kid. Look at Todd Mom, Casey Anthony 336 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: dumping little Kelly's body behind the school she used to 337 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: attend to, where she go out and sneak and smoke 338 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: in the back of the school. That area, I mean, 339 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: it's a place that you're familiar with. So that's where 340 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: he goes to dump the suv K Thomason's black suv. 341 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: Now is there surveillance video there? That's my next question? 342 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: If so, where is it? Why haven't I seen it? 343 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: If not, why haven't they gotten it? You know, in 344 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: an apartment complex, there's gonna be surveillance video. That's one thought. 345 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: Next thought to Francy Hicks. If this woman has video 346 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: cameras on her property, you know she had a burglar alarm. 347 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: Second thought. Third thought, Francy, the vehicle was parked in 348 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 1: the house. A burglar they're gonna rob. No, they're not 349 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: gonna go in when you see the person parked in 350 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: the driveway. For Pete's sake, Not only that it was 351 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: the early early morning hours, this means between midnight and 352 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: six a m Um. What does that mean? Why is 353 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: he out and about at this time of night? Let's 354 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: address those three things, Francy. Well, first the time frame, Nancy, 355 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 1: You're so right. Only bad things happened between midnight and 356 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: six a m. There's no doubt about it. Also, I 357 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 1: don't think I've seen anywhere her surveillance video picking him 358 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: up leaving the house. Is he sophisticated enough to have 359 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: disabled the cameras? That's what I would like to know. 360 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,959 Speaker 1: And you're right about the apartment complex and the area 361 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: where he dumped her suv. I doubt he lives there. 362 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 1: He seems to me to be smarter than that. So 363 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: did he do that in order to draw police's attention 364 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: away from where he actually lives. That would be one 365 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: of the questions. I had another thing, think about it. 366 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: Think about it, John Linley, the route and and Alan, 367 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: do you you're familiar with the area that he would 368 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: have likely taken to get from the home the murder 369 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: scene to Shambly. I mean, if that uh SUV has 370 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,239 Speaker 1: any type of tracking, navigational tracking in it, you can 371 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 1: determine which route he took, and then you go along 372 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: that route and you get surveillance video. Where's the surveillance 373 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: video from the apartment? And again, did this woman have 374 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: a burglar alarm system? It seems fantastical to me that 375 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: she would not if she has cameras. What about it, Alan, Well, 376 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: there are several routes. You know. I used to be 377 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: a traffic reporter in Atlanta many years ago, and I 378 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: can tell you there are a lot of roads that 379 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: he could have taken by ways. But if he had 380 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: taken the free the Interstate, ultimately there would be no 381 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: cameras there. But plenty of businesses have cameras around Shamblen 382 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: gotta get to the interstate, Alan, right, But around Shamble 383 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: there are tons of security cameras because there's a lot 384 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: of stuff that goes on in shambly, and you would 385 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: think that they would see maybe even at the apartment complex, 386 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: so I would think he knows somebody there, he used 387 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: to live there, he lives nearby, or his worked there. 388 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: Um have have you ever heard francy of people dumping cars, 389 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: say in a mall parking lot, way out at the 390 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: end of the airport parking lot, some vast parking lots, 391 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: some area where they think it will get lost in 392 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: the sauce and nobody will notice it, like an apartment complex. Absolutely, Nancy. 393 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 1: It's really, if you think about it, a forensic countermeasure. 394 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: He's taken that vehicle and dumped it somewhere, almost like 395 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: to lead the police on a wild goose chase. This 396 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: does not seem like a vagrant or random crime at all. 397 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 1: To make another issue, she's stabbed in the neck. Man, 398 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: that's cold stabbing somebody in the neck. But what about 399 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: the murder weapon? Did he leave it there? Are there prints? 400 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: Was the murder weapon from the home or did he 401 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: bring the murder weapon in also, which would have shown 402 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: some forethought? Also bludgeoned with what I mean, I'm not 403 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: I'm not getting enough facts. John Limley Crime online dot 404 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter. What more do we know of? Why 405 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: are police planning it so close to the vest, and 406 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: why are they searching her phone records? Did the purp 407 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: call her? If so, how does he know her her 408 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: cell number? And why would he be calling her? That 409 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: does make it personal. Let's start with the murder weapon, 410 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: John Limley. As with so many murder cases, please are 411 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: sort of keeping a lot of these facts to themselves 412 00:26:53,840 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: because as the interview um, potential witnesses or so specs, 413 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: they don't want to already have planted any information in 414 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 1: these people's heads. So I want to analyze what we know. 415 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: But let's listen right now to more of that nine 416 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: one one call. Do you think someone murder her? Okay? 417 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: What can let make you think that? Because what do 418 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: you think? What do you think the murder? Carry? Is 419 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: just blood all over the places like sharp change? Is 420 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: a broken mirror broken? Okay? Some were broken to this house? 421 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: And okay, one stake and let me sat a police. 422 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, the car has gone. Can you call me? 423 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: Gone right coming Ford car? That is the nine one 424 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: one call in this case where witness fines Kay Thompson's 425 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: dead body stabbed and bludgeoned in her home, another issue 426 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: we touched on before. To Dr Daniel bober I mentioned 427 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: that her three children lived in different cities, not near 428 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: her um. We also know that the husband they've been 429 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:27,199 Speaker 1: divorced and he is a lawyer in another city. She 430 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: ran rental properties throughout the city of Atlanta, some in 431 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: fancy areas, some in high crime areas. Dr Daniel bober 432 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: what does that mean to you? If anything, it means 433 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: that your suspect list is increased significantly, because you have 434 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: to think about any of these people that she may 435 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: have come into contact with and may have had some 436 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: grape or some issue with her, and they are all 437 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: potential suspects as of this hour, one thousand dollar reward, 438 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: the highest reward ever in Sandy Springs history tipline seven 439 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: seven zero five five one six nine three seven. Listen 440 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: to her children as they beg for your help. 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Thank you for being with us. What 469 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: do we know? Joining me right now, Ashley Willcott, judge lawyer, 470 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: founder child Crime watch dot Com, New York psychologist, Karen Stark, 471 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: forensics expert, Professor of Forensics at Jacksona State University and 472 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet. Joseph Scott Morgan. But 473 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: right now to crime online dot Com investigative reporter Lee Egan. 474 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: Before I go into how jo Lene goes missing, to 475 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: start with, what can you tell me about the search 476 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: of a landfill. Well, they're searching the Chesshire Island landfill 477 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: that's in folks And Georgia, and right now they're saying 478 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: they have several pieces of items of interest. They're not 479 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: telling what it is, but they're saying it could possibly 480 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: lee to more information that will lead to finding Jolie. 481 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: Let's talk about how she goes missing. Start at the beginning, Leagan, 482 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: she was working at a tangles hair salon San Fernandina Beach, Florida. 483 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: They leave for the night and nobody hears from her 484 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: sense police searching the salon where the mother of three, 485 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: just thirty four years old, was the last scene before 486 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: she goes missing, her family posting desperate and emotional messages 487 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: on Facebook begging for her return. Well, we hear her family, 488 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: and we are trying our best to help solve the 489 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: mystery of the disappearance of Jolene Cummings, a mother of three. 490 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, take a listen to Jolene's mother. 491 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: It motivates me that the community just loves my daughter 492 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: and that they care about each other. We're a small 493 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: knit community, but it's some acted by everybody. I mean, 494 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: from one parent to another. Can you imagine the imaginable now, 495 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: just the smallest closure would be having her home and 496 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: is that's the hardest part, that's not having her home 497 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: to Joseph Scott Morgan, death investigator, professor of forensics and author, 498 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: they turned the salon upside down. I'm looking at a 499 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: picture of her right now. She looks kind of like 500 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: a cross of Carrie Underwood and Ariana Grande. That's what 501 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: she looks like to me, This beautiful young woman, Jolene 502 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: Commings working at a tangles air salon to support her 503 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: three children, works that evening. It's a small area, Fernandina 504 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: Beach near Jacksonville. Joe Scott, what can you tell me, 505 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: Like she said, it's a close knit community. And uh, 506 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: I'm curious to know how many eyes were on this area, 507 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: how many eyes were on this area watching what was 508 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: going on in this particular area. And I'm not just 509 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 1: talking about people, but I'm talking about things like CCTV 510 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: footage here, uh and and who would be motivated, uh, 511 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: to to just kind of extricate this woman from this 512 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: environment and which you you stay that she's trying to 513 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: take care of her family, working in the salon, her 514 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: family desperately asking for help. And we know in the 515 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: last hours a search of a landfill has been going on. 516 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,760 Speaker 1: To Lee Egan, investigative reporter with Crime online dot Com 517 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: about how far away is this landfill from where she 518 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: went missing? Um, it's not that far away, Nancy. It's 519 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: close to the Georgia Florida line. Yeah, this is This 520 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,760 Speaker 1: is just to the west of Brunswick, Nancy Charton County, 521 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: about an hour away from the last place she was seen, 522 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: an hour away across the state line. Now, I understand 523 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,320 Speaker 1: from what you're saying, Lee Egan, that items of interest 524 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: have been found in the Jolian Cummings disappearance. Do we 525 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,240 Speaker 1: have any idea what the items might be. The sheriff 526 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,840 Speaker 1: did say that they had found items such as envelopes, 527 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: mail and different things that that put them into an 528 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: area because it's a huge landfill, so they had to 529 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: kind of go piece by piece until they got to 530 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: the area they needed to be in. And they did 531 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 1: say they found some mail and envelopes around that area, 532 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 1: but he wouldn't specify if that was what they were 533 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: looking for. In regards to this case, something led them 534 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: there In the search of a landfill is a very 535 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: very difficult thing to do. You have to grid the 536 00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: landfill off on I wonder what led them and our 537 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: way to this remote landfield. To Joseph Scott. More're gonna 538 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: going to get back to the grist search, but I 539 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,760 Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to what the sheriff 540 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: had to say. Can you say if they're more consistent 541 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: with maybe a murder weapon or something that would be 542 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: Cussler's prince or any suspects prince, or they're more consistent 543 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,479 Speaker 1: with remains I'm not gonna get into why we found uh. 544 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: They have to be tested to laugh first. We'll continue 545 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: to follow any leads, credible leads that uh that we received. 546 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,439 Speaker 1: We have not received any credible in a while, so 547 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 1: we'll continue with our criminal case. Criminal investigation there too, 548 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,399 Speaker 1: Uh put a rock side of case together to make 549 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 1: sure that this will never happen again. After battling horrific 550 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 1: temperatures a solid week and search for evidence in the 551 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 1: disappearance of Joel and Cummins, investigators announced at this landfill 552 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:03,840 Speaker 1: they have found evidence of interest. They sifted through three thousand, 553 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: three hundred tons of trash. And we hear this from 554 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: Nassau County Sheriff Bill Leaper. Now what does that mean, 555 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, How did they come out of over 556 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: three thousand tons of trash? How do you come up 557 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 1: with envelopes connected to Joe Lene? It is a tedious process, Nancy. 558 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: I've been involved in several of these landfill searches, uh, 559 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 1: you know, over the course of my career. And just 560 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: let me set the scene for you very carefully. Let 561 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,880 Speaker 1: you know what these guys are going through and gals 562 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 1: are going through out there. They're wearing taive ex suits, 563 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 1: which are those white crime scene suits you see us 564 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: wearing with the hoods on and all that sort of thing. 565 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,280 Speaker 1: We're talking about South Georgia, immediately adjacent to northern Florida. 566 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: It is blistering hot. Uh, your face is covered, You've 567 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: got gloves on your hands. Uh. It's easy to be distracted. 568 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: And if you can imagine the world's largest jigsaw puzzle, 569 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: that is the most faulest, faulest environment that you can 570 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,279 Speaker 1: be in. It's just randomly thrown on the ground. You're 571 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: having to look for for just clues in this environment. 572 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: That's what these people are having to contend with, the 573 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 1: fact that they were able to find anything. I am 574 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: absolutely amazed. You've got this big equipment that's rolling over everything, 575 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 1: that's pressing this stuff down. It's a horrible, horrible environment 576 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 1: to to uh, to have to have to deal with. 577 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: Oh and did I mention the rats they're everywhere. Now. 578 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 1: Two hundred members of the FBI and the Sheriff's office 579 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 1: rotated through this massive dunk landfill and that's from Jackson 580 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: All FBI Special Agent charged Charles Spencer. They're wearing those 581 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 1: protective suits that Joe Scott Morgan's telling you about temperatures 582 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: that reach up to a heat index of a hundred 583 00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: and sixteen degrees. That's point five million pounds. My math 584 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: whiz here Jackie Howard figured that out. Three thousand, three 585 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 1: hundred tons six point five million pounds of trash to 586 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 1: find evidence connecting back to the missing hair salon artist 587 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 1: Jolene Commins, the mother of three. Now we have the 588 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: issue of surveillance video to Ashley Wilcott, lawyer, judge, founder, 589 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 1: child crime watch dot com way in Ashley, Well, let 590 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: me just tell you, I'm so wicked impressed by law 591 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 1: enforcement FBI because of the search of the dump, because 592 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,320 Speaker 1: that is such a monumental effort. Here's what they're doing. 593 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:49,320 Speaker 1: They are trying to find anything that might relate to 594 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,839 Speaker 1: the victim and figure or the victim herself, but also 595 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 1: to figure out um who was involved or might have 596 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 1: been involved in this um the Skillingness murder. And one 597 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,360 Speaker 1: of the things I want to point out that I 598 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,360 Speaker 1: really love is the items of interest that they found. 599 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: They made a statement to say, listen, they may not 600 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 1: be significant, they may be significant, but we are going 601 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: to take those and we're gonna have the lab analysis 602 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 1: done and we're going to determine how helpful or not 603 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 1: it is. So it's a really a monumental effort, and 604 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 1: someone knows what well. Think about it, Ashley Wilcott, think 605 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:36,919 Speaker 1: about it. Trash from Florida sent to a Georgia land film. Okay, Now, 606 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 1: think about what someone even if it's just a bill 607 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 1: from the victim's pocket book that was in her car, Okay, 608 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 1: because her car was found had been moved. Think about 609 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,800 Speaker 1: someone even if the bill is of no importance, and 610 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 1: maybe it's cable bill. I don't know, But what I'm 611 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 1: saying is the significance to me of that bill may 612 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,880 Speaker 1: be that whoever did away with Jolene went to that 613 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,000 Speaker 1: effort to hide it. Then you can find out what 614 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: else was there, who else had been in that area, 615 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,319 Speaker 1: who was familiar with that area. Why it's you know, 616 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 1: because criminals always go back to something familiar, like Scott 617 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 1: Peterson was a fisherman, soy dumps Leicy and Connor and 618 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,400 Speaker 1: the San Francisco Bay get it, Ashley, I mean, it 619 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 1: could reveal a lot, even if the build means nothing, 620 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 1: and there could be DNA on it. Who handled it? 621 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: So they've sent it to the lab for all that analysis, 622 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna say what I say, In every single case, 623 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,520 Speaker 1: somebody knows what happened. Maybe more than one person knows 624 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,800 Speaker 1: what happened, and so I believe that they're going to 625 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: get to the bottom of it. Joey Cummins reported missing 626 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 1: two days after she was last seen leaving her job 627 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 1: at a Tangles hair salon. Fernandina Beach. What do we 628 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: know about the last person to see her alive? Kimberly 629 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,759 Speaker 1: Kessler h a k A. Jennifer Cyberg. That's what the 630 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,759 Speaker 1: people at Tangles knew her as because she was using 631 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:02,239 Speaker 1: an alias. She's had a teen different identities over the 632 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 1: path since. Now wait a minute, clears something up for me. La. 633 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:11,720 Speaker 1: When you say Kimberly Kessler has had all these various identities, 634 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 1: you're Kimberly Kessler. Now that's her co worker who also 635 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 1: works in the salon, right, That's correct. And police say 636 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,520 Speaker 1: that Kessler has also had numerous different job titles over 637 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,640 Speaker 1: the years. She was a truck driver at one time, 638 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 1: worked in restaurants, um different hairstylids at different salons. The 639 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 1: thing is, when she had these different jobs, she would 640 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,799 Speaker 1: change her name each and every time she never kept 641 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 1: the same name. And that's the red flag that the 642 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,440 Speaker 1: police picked up on. She is said to be the 643 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,920 Speaker 1: last person to see Julie alive, the last person in 644 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: her car. Well, how do you know that, Lee, That 645 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 1: that the co worker, Kimberly Lee Kessler was the last 646 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,759 Speaker 1: person in her car, in the victim's car. Okay, the 647 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,080 Speaker 1: last time they saw Jolne's car, it was parked in 648 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 1: a parking a home depot parking lot. Police pulled their 649 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 1: surveillance camera. They see Kimberly Kimberly Kessler getting out of 650 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 1: the driver's seat of the car. No one else was 651 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,319 Speaker 1: in the car with her. She parks the car, gets out, 652 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,359 Speaker 1: shuts the door, walks to a nearby gas station, and 653 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 1: takes a taxicab away. Okay, Karen's dark. That doesn't look good. 654 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,720 Speaker 1: It doesn't look good, and it's it's a clear sign 655 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:30,560 Speaker 1: that it's intentional, that she understands what she's doing and 656 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 1: that something is amiss in this situation. Nancy, what is 657 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 1: she doing there? What is she doing with her car? 658 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: When was the last time she was saying? She was 659 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,839 Speaker 1: last seen on May thirt she was supposed to pick 660 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,240 Speaker 1: up her children and she did not show up. Obviously, 661 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,320 Speaker 1: raise the red flag with all of her family because 662 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,880 Speaker 1: she is very much a hands on mother and she 663 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,399 Speaker 1: spends a lot of time with them. She separated from 664 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,200 Speaker 1: the children's father and she was supposed to meet it's 665 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,799 Speaker 1: him at a parking lot to pick them up, and 666 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,879 Speaker 1: she did not show up. These two women, were they 667 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,719 Speaker 1: on a friendly basis? What do we know about them? 668 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,960 Speaker 1: Were they working the same shift at when she goes missing? 669 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,440 Speaker 1: Was their animosity? Did they have an argument that day? 670 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,000 Speaker 1: And if so, over what what do we know? Lee? 671 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:24,520 Speaker 1: They were not on a friendly basis. They were very 672 00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 1: very a lot of animosity between them. For some reason. 673 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,320 Speaker 1: From what her coworkers said is Kessler had a problem 674 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,160 Speaker 1: with Joline, but they did not know why. She just 675 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,560 Speaker 1: refused to help her. She just snubbed her at every 676 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,240 Speaker 1: chance she got, and it was to the point where 677 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,320 Speaker 1: it was uncomfortable inside the salon. It made things very tense, 678 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:51,480 Speaker 1: But I mean it's tense enough to commit a murder. Karen. Start, 679 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 1: When you work with somebody day in and day out, 680 00:44:55,080 --> 00:45:00,479 Speaker 1: what type of animosities can grow, can build it? It's 681 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,920 Speaker 1: one of those things where you can build up a 682 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:07,480 Speaker 1: resentment against the person, and they might never know it, 683 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,920 Speaker 1: but there's a lot of tension that can happen in 684 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,760 Speaker 1: a situation like that because you you become so intimate, 685 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,040 Speaker 1: you know each other backwards and forwards. There's a constant 686 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,760 Speaker 1: getting together. So the more that you dislike that person, 687 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 1: you're still forced to continue to interact with them. Well, 688 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:33,120 Speaker 1: Lee Egan Crime online dot Com. The surveillance video of 689 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,920 Speaker 1: the coworker getting out of the victim's car is not 690 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,560 Speaker 1: the only video, is it. It is not. They also 691 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,320 Speaker 1: have a video of her her dumping trash into a dumpster, 692 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,280 Speaker 1: which is what led the police to the Georgia landfill 693 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 1: to begin with. Because the dumpster that she used, they 694 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,719 Speaker 1: take that trash to that landfill in Georgia. Aha. So 695 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,920 Speaker 1: there's the answer to my mystery. My mystery was it's 696 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,840 Speaker 1: on one drive all the way to this landfill. But 697 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,319 Speaker 1: you just answered it for me. That took some good 698 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:11,040 Speaker 1: detective work from police Lee Egan to know to go 699 00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,960 Speaker 1: to that dumpster. Do we know where the dumpster was located? 700 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:19,480 Speaker 1: It was in a commercial area in Jacksonville, AH. So 701 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,000 Speaker 1: that clears up a lot. They had to use a 702 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,080 Speaker 1: lot of powers of deduction and use their gray cells 703 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:29,839 Speaker 1: to figure this one out by combing surveillance video at 704 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:35,000 Speaker 1: dumpsters throughout the area to catch the coworker throwing away trash. 705 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,719 Speaker 1: They didn't know what was in that trash, but maybe 706 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,759 Speaker 1: it was an odd time of day or night, like 707 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,520 Speaker 1: one am or two ams. She's throwing out the trash 708 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,800 Speaker 1: at a dumpster. Why not just putting in your kitchen 709 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,240 Speaker 1: trash and put it out by the street. But still 710 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:55,160 Speaker 1: we don't know where is Joelene. But we fear the worst. 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