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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Ghast. Barbara DeLong has

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Speaker 2: been a seeker of the mysteries of spirituality and a

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Speaker 2: practitioner for more than a half a century of at

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Speaker 2: least what she will admit to, and during the time

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Speaker 2: she has become an international known podcasting host, author, artist, lecturer,

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Speaker 2: ordained minister as well and documentarian. She painted the Cosmic

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Speaker 2: Deck of Initiation, which is a handpaided deck of Mendela

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Speaker 2: cards to be used for private divination and spiritual growth,

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Speaker 2: and also wrote the handbook that goes with that deck.

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Speaker 2: In this year, she co authored Before Roswell, The Secret

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Speaker 2: History of UFOs with Ken Godswad. Her website is a

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Speaker 2: teaching site combining personal information and a plethora a spiritual

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Speaker 2: information and insight. Barbara, Welcome to the program. I'm looking

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Speaker 2: forward to this.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm looking forward to it too.

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Speaker 2: What took you so long to write this book?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you something. Ken and I both did

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Speaker 3: a lot of work on it, but mostly it was

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Speaker 3: Patrick Hook's work that we worked from. And he was

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Speaker 3: my late husband.

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Speaker 2: Oh we missed him. He was a great guest on

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Speaker 2: our program.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know, I sat up many hours with

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Speaker 3: him while he was talking to you. What happened was

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Speaker 3: when Patrick passed away, I couldn't keep my website and

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Speaker 3: his website going. So I checked to make sure that

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Speaker 3: everything from his website was in any of his three books,

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Speaker 3: and the only two sections that were not I put

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Speaker 3: onto my website the UFO section and the Giant section.

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Speaker 3: And Ken was writing a book about before Roswell and

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Speaker 3: he stumbled across my website and it was goose heaven

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Speaker 3: for him, and so he called and asked if he

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Speaker 3: could use the material, and I said, sure, go ahead,

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Speaker 3: and then he called back and said, why don't we

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Speaker 3: do it together, And so we did, and a lot

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Speaker 3: of the material that is in the book is material

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Speaker 3: that Patrick had gathered. So it was it was really

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Speaker 3: a lot of fun for me, and both Ken and

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Speaker 3: I added material to it, and it came together so

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Speaker 3: rapidly and so beautifully. It was an exciting adventure and

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Speaker 3: took me back to my roots because I got started

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Speaker 3: into this field because I saw UFO and it landed

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Speaker 3: on my campus when I was in college in the sixties,

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Speaker 3: and so it was kind of going back to source

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Speaker 3: for me and returning to a field that I've been

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Speaker 3: fascinated in for obviously decades.

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Speaker 2: Now, how far back do you go back investigating past

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Speaker 2: UFO cases?

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Speaker 3: Well, actually, I think that the last date that we

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Speaker 3: have in the book is two hundred and seventy thousand

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Speaker 3: years BCE.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Obviously obviously it was not printed material, but it was

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Speaker 3: in the Samerian Kings List, and in the Samerian Kings List,

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Speaker 3: their kings reigned in the sky, so they had to

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Speaker 3: fly into the sky to ring and you go.

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Speaker 2: All the way back up to a year before the

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Speaker 2: Roswell episode.

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Speaker 3: No to Roswell's fantastic Yeah, it was. It was. It

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Speaker 3: was an amazing adventure to me because I was there

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Speaker 3: are over three hundred instances that we have we have identified,

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Speaker 3: but it was. It is a It is a wonderful

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Speaker 3: book because it's all peaceful and it's calm, and it

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Speaker 3: does show the difference between how UFO sightings were treated

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Speaker 2: What do you think the moment was for that, Barber,

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Speaker 2: Was it Roswell or was it a little before that?

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Speaker 3: It was probably before that, because certainly there were crushed

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Speaker 3: and it was sort of like, these were physical things

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Speaker 3: well our government anyhow in our country, has made it

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Speaker 2: I think you're absolutely right. And now, what is your

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Speaker 2: by now I'm just what these things are.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that they were and actually are now

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Speaker 3: you know, vehicles that they're trying to fly the same

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Speaker 3: they were originally, for the most part, drones that were

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Speaker 3: have traveled are time travelers, you know, just checking us

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Speaker 3: and I think calling humanity and every living thing around

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Speaker 2: Are you a believer in God? Barbara?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, there is a There is absolutely a source of creation. Yes.

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Speaker 2: And I would guess the beans, the et Beans are

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Speaker 2: looking for that same thing we are, aren't they?

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Speaker 3: I would absolutely, yeah, Oh, totally agree. I think that

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Speaker 3: a you know, an old man in the sky, and

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Speaker 3: that's not true. God is not a person.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I agree with that. Let's go through some of

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Speaker 2: really quickly. Operation paper Clip. Tell us more about that.

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Speaker 3: Operation paper Clip. Were the people that that came after

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there have been a lot of them,

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Speaker 3: haven't there be too many? Paper Clip? Were the people

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Speaker 2: In some of the cases that we're going to talk

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Speaker 3: What was that about, Well, he was talking. It was

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Speaker 2: Being so, and that was in nineteen forty four. Yeah, amazing. Now,

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Speaker 3: Actually hit them along. Well, many years ago, Patrick and

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Speaker 2: That was amazing. That was nineteen forty two, where a

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Speaker 2: Lots of pilots during World War Two saw what they

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Speaker 3: Well, everybody investigated it. We thought it was Japanese or

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Speaker 2: But in nineteen seventeen, you say that there was a

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Speaker 3: That's one of my favorite favorite. That's the one thing

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Speaker 3: Question on a quiz show someplace. Was it was let's see, way,

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Speaker 3: Seventeen seventeen, sorry, and it was Baron Manfred von Rickefon

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was known as the Red Baron and

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Speaker 3: and you know, they reported it. He immediately shot it down.

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Speaker 3: It crashed by the woods, and two pilots got out

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Speaker 3: And you know, they reported it, and nobody said anything

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Speaker 3: and they thought that perhaps it might have been some

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Speaker 2: No, that's a story that's kind of been buried. Another

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Speaker 2: story in nineteen seventeen is something I've talked about quite often, Barbara,

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Speaker 2: and that is the Fatima in Portugal, the apparitions of

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Speaker 2: the blessed Virgin Mary. But everybody says that the sun

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Speaker 3: Yep, I do believe it was. And there were there

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Speaker 3: was raining apparently when all of this happened, and you

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Speaker 3: it was amazing, how the fact, I truly believe you're right.

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Speaker 3: I think it was a UFO. And yet when you

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Speaker 3: pouring rain and then it stopped running and everybody was dry.

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Speaker 3: So there was something very mystical and magical happening there.

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Speaker 3: And you know, was it the blessed Mother? Was it

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Speaker 3: an eggrigor that everybody expected to see the blessed Mother?

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Speaker 3: And so that's what they what they manifested. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think in cases like this the element of an

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Speaker 2: In nineteen fifteen, a case I had never heard about

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Speaker 2: before until I saw your book. In Turkey, a regiment

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Speaker 2: of British Army members eight hundred men simply disappeared. Where

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Speaker 3: Well, now there was a fog. There was a strange fog,

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Speaker 3: and they were attempting to take a hill at Seo

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Speaker 3: through Via Bay near Gllipoli. There were twenty two witnesses.

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Speaker 3: The regiment of over eight hundred men marched into a

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Speaker 3: strange fog of clouds hovering over the hill, and they

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Speaker 3: were never seen again. And you know, the British thought

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Speaker 3: that they were had been taken prisoner, and the Turks

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Speaker 3: just denied any knowledge of the existence at all, and

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Speaker 3: no sign of the regiment has ever been had eight hundred.

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Speaker 2: Men, I mean, I know you were not talking about

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Speaker 2: a handful of guys that disappear. Eight hundred My god,

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Speaker 2: I want to know.

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Speaker 3: Who the twenty two were.

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Speaker 2: That didn't go the smart ones. Yeah, obviously, what's your

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Speaker 2: best guess on that one, Barbara, what a story.

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Speaker 3: I think the fog opened a portal to another dimension

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Speaker 3: and they marched into another dimension.

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Speaker 2: Now that's interesting, like they walked through a portal or something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was a portal and they could.

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Speaker 2: Never find their way back.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think they walked into another dimension that had

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Speaker 3: think they went into a dimension that was very similar

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Speaker 3: And I think that's what happened. I don't think they

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Speaker 2: The late Jim Mars talks about the eighteen ninety seven Aurora,

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Speaker 2: Texas UFO crash. That was a fascinating one.

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Speaker 3: Well, the part of it that I loved so much

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Speaker 3: was the fact that when the ship crashed, I hope

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Speaker 3: we're talking about the same one.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure we are.

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Speaker 3: When the ship crashed and burned, the people in the

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Speaker 3: town went out to check it out and they found

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Speaker 3: once one body, and it was a very small person,

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Speaker 3: and they took care of him. They collected him and

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Speaker 3: they put him in a coffin, and they buried him

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Speaker 3: and they had a funeral. And our report comes from

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Speaker 3: a newspaper article of a woman who was a teenager

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Speaker 3: at the time. She didn't see the crash. Her mother

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Speaker 3: the pilot. And I was so touched by that that

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Speaker 3: it was amazing. And then many many years later, the

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Speaker 3: government she was then, let's say she was a ninety

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Speaker 3: year old woman in seventy three, and the government wanted

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Speaker 3: to exhume the body, and the townspeople would not release

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Speaker 3: the the location of it because they wanted him to

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Speaker 3: rest in peace.

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Speaker 2: I wonder where it is right now. What do you think?

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Speaker 3: Oh, I think it's still there. I don't think they'll

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Speaker 3: let anybody touch it. They you know, the people have

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Speaker 3: been very protective of it for this long. I can't

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Speaker 3: see them giving up the location.

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