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Speaker 1: How's it, Brah, the hardcorese back at it back in

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Speaker 1: your living room here. It's been a long time since

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Speaker 1: we rock and rolled Morning Combat Brian Campbell, of course,

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Speaker 1: one half of your weekly duol alongside Luke Thomas. But

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Speaker 1: that man right there, one of the most respected veteran

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Speaker 1: hard core boxing journalists and podcasters in the history of

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Speaker 1: the world. Today, Rape Bartholomew Rath. It's been so long.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why we broke up. I don't know

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Speaker 1: how we fell apart. I don't know why we don't

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Speaker 1: talk anymore. All I know is I'm glad to have

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Speaker 1: a big time boxing fight. I'm glad to have you

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Speaker 1: back as well.

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Speaker 2: All I know, Brian, is that you had to have

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Speaker 2: a talk with your beautiful sons and tell them that

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Speaker 2: sometimes people just drift apart. Sometimes it happens and you

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Speaker 2: fall in in and out of love. And I'm ready

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Speaker 2: to be back in love. I'm ready to reconnect some

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Speaker 2: tips here. And you know we're here to talk about

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Speaker 2: the Revolution.

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Speaker 3: Right yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: The Revolution will no longer be televised ever ever again, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: but we are here to preview all things PBC on

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Speaker 1: Fox pay per View this Saturday, when Manny Pacquiao invades

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas, not though against Errol Spence Junior, although we

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Speaker 1: can argue.

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Speaker 3: We will maybe a sneaky good.

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Speaker 1: Replacement in WBA walterweight champion your danis Ugas. We wanted

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Speaker 1: to give you the hod cool look at it, oh Raf.

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Speaker 1: I was wondering why we haven't done one of these

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Speaker 1: in a long time. But then I'm like, you know what,

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Speaker 1: with the exception of the YouTubers, with the exception of

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Speaker 1: Canelo in fights where he's just so good, we don't

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Speaker 1: expect them to be competitive this one. And this isn't

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Speaker 1: even it anymore because Spence pulled out. But Pacquiao Spence

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Speaker 1: was kind of supposed to be the boxing's first super

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Speaker 1: Bowl of this wacky year?

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Speaker 3: Am I wrong?

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Speaker 2: I hate to say it, but I think you're right now.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it was meant to be right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we were supposed to have a jury at Jay,

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Speaker 2: was supposed to have Wilder Fury three. We were supposed

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Speaker 2: to have a lot of other fights in between, but

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Speaker 2: this was gonna be the first true not even mainstream,

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Speaker 2: not hardcore banger and it's not happening either.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, shout out to Floyd and the Paul family

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Speaker 1: for keeping us. You know that tee keeping us? Uh,

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Speaker 1: what's the word I'm looking I shouldn't think any of

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Speaker 1: these words. Actually I should pull a pull out of

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Speaker 3: There you go. But yeah, you know, it's been such

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Speaker 3: a weird year, and of course, as you mentioned, the Fury.

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Speaker 1: Wild, they're falling apart. Everybody's got COVID every other week.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes there's fake COVID pullouts.

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Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of crap going on.

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Speaker 1: It still matters, though, when forty two year old Manny

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Speaker 1: Pakia was back in a major pay per view Aero

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Speaker 1: Spence torn Retina not happening before we'll move on to

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Speaker 1: all things ugas and you don't have a reason to

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Speaker 1: get you and I back together and look ahead to

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Speaker 1: a big fight. What's your biggest lament from Paquiao Spence

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Speaker 1: not happening? What was that thing you were most looking

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Speaker 1: forward to see when those two were supposed to touch

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Speaker 1: gloves that once again we can't have nice things in boxing.

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Speaker 3: Bad luck hit us pretty hard here.

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Speaker 2: For me, Brian, the biggest lament has to be this

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Speaker 2: continuation of bad breaks for arrows. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: you call it bad breaks, but whatever, arrow Spence his

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Speaker 2: career not having the trajectory that we all boxing fans

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Speaker 2: wanted to see it go forth on. I mean from

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Speaker 2: the you know, the car accident right after his great

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Speaker 2: win over Shanporter, then Covid derailing things, coming back looking

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Speaker 2: amazing against Danny Garcia, thinking oh my god, maybe he

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Speaker 2: actually just stayed on track through all this time and

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Speaker 2: through all those injuries, and then now this and a

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Speaker 2: torn retina, as I'm sure you've discussed and people know,

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Speaker 2: is not a minor injury for a boxer. It is

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Speaker 2: still career threatening. It's not quite as bad as it

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Speaker 2: years are now taking away on what I think we

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Speaker 2: hoped for. I mean, what what since what since twenty fourteen?

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Speaker 2: I know you have gone deep on this tape and

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Speaker 2: on this story, Brian, since twenty fourteen when he sparred

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Speaker 2: Floyd and gave him some trouble twenty twelve, twenty twenty twelve. See,

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Speaker 2: I told you you went deep, and since then it

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Speaker 2: just hasn't. It was supposed to be. He was supposed

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Speaker 3: Hashtag man down.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately it's the wrong man who's down, and strap sis

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Speaker 1: in even seatbelts, iss and are going to have to

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Speaker 1: take a back seat. Oh that's just the wrong word

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Speaker 1: at the wrong time. I mean, it was the front seat.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's not It's not funny at all. But look,

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Speaker 1: let's give Spence credit. He had been on his way

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Speaker 1: to building a and it's still on his way a

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Speaker 1: really incredible resume for this modern era of trying to

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Speaker 3: But I do agree with you that you know at

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Speaker 3: age what is what is Spence? Do you know offhand

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Speaker 3: how old this man.

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Speaker 2: Is, early thirties, he's older than Canelo.

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Speaker 3: Yikes, he is, you know, among the three or four

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Speaker 3: pound for pound best in the world.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we don't know if he's the best walterweight of

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Speaker 1: this era until we see him fight Crawford. But he

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Speaker 1: had been doing more meaning fighting Kel Brooke, fighting Danny Garcia,

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Speaker 1: Sean Porter, Mikey Garcia, Team Spencer. It don't make sense

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Speaker 1: than anyone else to try to claim that he's gonna

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Speaker 3: We'll see what happens to his future health.

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Speaker 1: I hope, I hope, man, he can bounce back like

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Speaker 1: he did from that death defying accident, which was no

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Speaker 1: joke at all. Now the good news, I say, it's

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Speaker 1: good news. It doesn't have the same star power, doesn't

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Speaker 3: Sex and magic.

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Speaker 1: But look, you're Dennis Sugas, who was already gonna be

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Speaker 1: on this main pay per view card against Fabian my Donna,

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Speaker 1: Yeah elch knows brother, which would have been probably a

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Speaker 1: slop fest. I mean, this is a great from the

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Speaker 1: standpoint of like get your hardcore card. I'll I mean,

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Speaker 1: your Dennis Sugas was really damn good. He's the WBA

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Speaker 1: welterweight champion. For him to plug in last minute and

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Speaker 1: many accept it without any issue. Be honest, there's a

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Speaker 1: there's a pretty damn good fight on paper. We have

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Speaker 1: no idea what this is gonna look like.

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Speaker 2: I will be honest, and for twelve days notice for

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Speaker 2: every all of those factors going in, of course, this

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Speaker 2: top certainly top ten welterweight. Who could give who we've

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Speaker 2: seen give Sean Porter? Hell, I think we both scored

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Speaker 2: that fight for your Dennis Ugas and a lot I

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Speaker 2: many guys, many guys did the same.

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Speaker 3: And Brian blew that knockdown at the end. Who didn't

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Speaker 3: call that in round twelve against Porter when they should have?

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Speaker 2: Which one of your boys was that? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'm hoping it wasn't Jack Ree some Thailand guy.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Man the referee that that man referee anyway.

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Speaker 3: Brian, Jack Reese, it was Jack reche It was right.

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Speaker 2: Don't put that don't put that evil on me? All right,

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm against all authority and anyway, Brian, No so

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Speaker 2: in terms of quality of opponent on short notice, this

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Speaker 2: level of replace and it's still Look, do I have

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Speaker 2: to break out my my ten year old buckyw hand sanitizer,

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Speaker 2: my my PUCKYO produced box of broccoli. I don't have

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Speaker 2: the broccoli anymore, but I still have the box.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe you're drinking hydrogen infused next level pakia

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Speaker 1: water like I am bro Okay, here's here's hangovers.

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Speaker 2: I guess just let me just say who sent that

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Speaker 2: to you. If I could get some free garbage, then

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Speaker 2: i'd drink it too.

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Speaker 3: Oh stop, Oh dare you anyway?

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Speaker 2: Brian? Uh, it's a it is for it is an

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Speaker 2: extremely high level replacement. But Errol Spence was the beluga

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Speaker 2: caviar that none of us will ever taste in our lives,

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Speaker 2: the creme de la creme. And now we're getting like

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Speaker 2: a great uh Peter Luger steak as a replacement. So hey,

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Speaker 2: that's a great meal, right. I haven't eaten that either.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you have, but it's still this

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Speaker 3: was Ruth Chris level of.

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Speaker 2: I would get it better than Ruth. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, hey, it could be if you

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Speaker 3: But another hot beef injection.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm saying this is a very, very excellent grade

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Speaker 2: a FDA approved, Cuban approved hot beef injection. But what

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Speaker 2: And it's hard not to feel an enormous come down

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Speaker 2: from that, regardless of how good Ugas is and how

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Speaker 1: All Right, have you felt this this shift in the

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Speaker 3: And let's give him full credit.

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Speaker 1: When he came back in twenty nineteen at age forty,

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Speaker 3: So what I'm trying to ask you, is this the

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Speaker 1: When Manny lost to Floyd, I think we were like

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Speaker 1: Morales and Tim Bradley, I mean, just a what a career.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think we were going to add to that,

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Speaker 1: so you add to that the third win against Bradley,

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Speaker 1: feel like, entering what should have been this fight that

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Speaker 1: the Spense fight, you had more people saying for the

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Speaker 1: first time, like, are we do we even have a

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Speaker 1: rightful grasp on what Pacchio's true legacy is. I'm seeing

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Speaker 1: Max Kellerman in the last year for the first time. Really,

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Speaker 1: go hey, guys, hold on Pecchio might actually be the

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Speaker 3: I personally shoulder and saltwater fix notwithstand.

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Speaker 1: Do not believe Pacquiao Kinnick eclips what Floyd did because

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Speaker 1: they did finally fight head to head and Floyd beat him,

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Speaker 1: and I thought solidly, But when you're adding the potential

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Speaker 1: so Pakio beats him on Saturday, Dude, that's a lot

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Speaker 2: He's arguably the last of the last of his breed,

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Speaker 3: I know how you get down, I know what you're

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Speaker 2: Exactly, sir. In any case, it's that longevity and that

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Speaker 1: I mean I don't I don't begrudge Floyd for you know,

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Speaker 3: Into this fight. Okay, replacement opponents, so we don't get

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Speaker 1: Manny pakiaw this week because he's forty two and he's

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Speaker 1: I don't want to overrate Hugas. I did think he

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Speaker 3: You know, I mean they they call it.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's let's just let's just use the strength of

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Speaker 1: You need to Mike Dallas Junior. Bro they found Mike

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I say, like ten years after Matisa iced him

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Speaker 2: in one round. What it was like like Ugas takes

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Speaker 2: but he definitely beat the new Ray Robinson spoiler from

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Speaker 3: All right, Look, you and I have always been very

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Speaker 1: I think I don't think you're down the road as

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Speaker 3: But I think you even if you don't say you,

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Speaker 2: Correct, But Brian, I'm not trying to spend any of

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Speaker 2: Like you, you cycle on and off the drugs depending

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Speaker 1: To perform, and they figured it out outings as Paul

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Speaker 3: You know, boxers use a lot of pds even within

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Speaker 1: Seriously, what Man's doing and we don't know. We don't

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Speaker 1: have Manny's blood tests or receipts. Even if you told

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Speaker 1: what he's doing in his forties is remarkable. So with

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Speaker 1: which okay, he's not fighting three full minutes like he

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Speaker 1: well he's an older version but he's not somebody who's

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Speaker 3: He's not somebody whose chin's gone.

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Speaker 1: How can you responsibly gauge two years later, what the

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Speaker 2: Well, there's no way to truly have a gauge on it.

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Speaker 2: We've seen in this later part of his career, Manny

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Speaker 2: right after the Mayweather fight, when when he fought Jesse Vargas,

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Speaker 2: sudden looked more like the young Manny against Matisse, and

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Speaker 2: He's turning forty three in December. This it's reasonable to

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Speaker 2: And also more if we want to go to some

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Speaker 2: those early camp videos when Manny first came over to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's hard, man, you know, like, Okay.

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Speaker 3: And well he is drinking a lot of Next Level,

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Speaker 3: Oh wait, you turn forty already. No, no, no, I

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, I was gonna say because you're you're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I look, I don't need any of that Clyde

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Speaker 3: Did you happen to see my?

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Speaker 1: My? Uh my, I've gone to far moment in Las

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Speaker 2: Look unless unless you're out here rocky like the nineties

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Speaker 3: Do you okay? But do your did the drapes match

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Speaker 2: Well? I look, you're getting way too personal here. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure your your viewers don't want to know this, Brian,

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Speaker 2: but since you ask, I have unusual body here. It's

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Speaker 2: But that's the only red part I can show you

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Speaker 3: Yes, please please Moving back to this.

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Speaker 1: Even with Manny's late greatness, like we all thought he

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Speaker 3: He took a beating against a bigger guy.

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Speaker 1: But I think we all accepted after the f oh

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Speaker 1: stop that okay, I scored to the draw. I'm just okay.

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Speaker 1: The only truth or I am in that fight is

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Speaker 3: Did better than Teddy. Atlass would tell the world that

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Speaker 3: he did okay, But here's what I'm saying. After the fact.

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Speaker 1: Freddy explains that as look, he was a senator during

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Speaker 1: fight should have been the bridge too Far. That should

435
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,119
Speaker 1: have been the okay, old guy butting off more than

436
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 1: he can chew, and he passed the baton of the

437
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 1: next generation. He was just too great and I still

438
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 1: to this day.

439
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 3: I know you and everyone else disagree on my Thurman seven.

440
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 1: Five scorecard, but I will tell you to this, David,

441
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,360
Speaker 1: that's actually arguably Keith Thurman's best performance.

442
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,880
Speaker 3: I know he beat Danny and he beat Porter.

443
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 1: Performance more impressive, But I thought my point is to

444
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 1: tell you he didn't fight that fight. Is Keith Thurman's

445
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 1: a sissy or he didn't win that He won that

446
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 1: fight because many brought it. Now I'm like, okay, was

447
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 1: this fight, whether it would have been Spence or it

448
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 1: will be you guys?

449
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 3: Is this the bridge too far fight? Slow footage? Two

450
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 3: years away? Forty two? I mean, one of these days

451
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 3: he's gotta look freaking old, right. I just don't. I

452
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 3: just I can't believe it's this time, man, and neither

453
00:21:59,280 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 3: can the betting.

454
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 2: Well, of course, well look if he were fighting Aero Spence,

455
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 2: I think we would be having a different conversation right

456
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 2: now in terms of previewing this fight. That is by

457
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 2: I do believe that is biting off more than he

458
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 2: can chew at this stage in his career. With Spence's

459
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,680
Speaker 2: you know, length, with his size, with his activity, with

460
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 2: his youth, with his power. Is it just that is

461
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 2: to me was too high a hilt for him to

462
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 2: climb at this age. Ugas is a different kind of fighter,

463
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 2: and I think the matchup I think favors Manny in

464
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 2: a way that the matchup with Spence definitely didn't. And

465
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 2: it also it's also something where he can call it

466
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,640
Speaker 2: like like I think even though it's short notice, he's

467
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 2: back to fighting an orthodox fighter, no longer having to

468
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 2: deal with the South Poky. He doesn't fight a lot

469
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 2: of South Paul's. Manny is self ball. His style is

470
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 2: very effective against orthodox fighters. This is just this is

471
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,400
Speaker 2: lining up for him in a way that I'm more

472
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,719
Speaker 2: likely to believe that whatever states As, he can get

473
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 2: to eighty percent of the Manny Paciao who fought Keith Thurman.

474
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 2: I think he can win this fight all right.

475
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 3: And hugus his favor. He's a big walter.

476
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: Wait, he's more aggressive than the typical stereotypical elite Cuban

477
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: who with the exception of Eurykuscambo who does bring it.

478
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 1: We know the history of elite Cubans in big fights,

479
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: Iris Landi, lar Versus Canelo, Riggando versus anybody not named

480
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 1: Donai and even most of the dinnerifight is the whole point,

481
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: and look you can it's good timing with Showtime's main

482
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 1: event last Saturday, with Riggandal losing to John Real Casamiro Filipino,

483
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: and you know, and I'm the only guy standing on

484
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: this hill defending Rego and my dms are a slaughterhouse.

485
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 1: But with that in mind, I do think Ugas is

486
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: busier than the traditional Cuban artiste who likes to paint

487
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: these great pictures of dominance but doesn't do enough to

488
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 1: stamp at home. But how much is that a factor

489
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 1: in the narrative of who actually wins this? Even if

490
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: Hugas has moments where he's where he's out, let's say

491
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: he's out classing many came up in my head around

492
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: that no one out boxes man.

493
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 3: He not named Floyd Mayweather.

494
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 1: It's just the truth, right, So unless you're a Marcus

495
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: counter puncher who's gonna stand in there punch with him

496
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: and take the damage, or unless you're bigger than him,

497
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,199
Speaker 1: like we saw Jeff Horn do, it's hard even if

498
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: man he's a step slower than we expect to imagine

499
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 1: Ugas walking him down. So will the narrative of elite

500
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 1: Cuban fighters sometimes not throwing enough to convince the judges.

501
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: Is that in play entering this fight, given everything I just.

502
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 2: Said, Oh, I think it is very much in play

503
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 2: as well. Yes, I agree with you that you know

504
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 2: that Ugas does not fight quite like Guillermo Rigondo. He doesn't.

505
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 2: Maybe I look, I guess we could ask our friend,

506
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 2: our friends at Coompy Box, shout out to Dan Kenobio

507
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 2: and the whole crew over there, who's the more active

508
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 2: fighter between Ugas and Lara. But that is sort of

509
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 2: the a level of engagement I expect in your average

510
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 2: UGA's fight, and he is content to stay on the

511
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 2: outside and out box someone if he can. I think

512
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: Manny is gonna test that one thing. Look, Manny, because

513
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 2: of his size and because of his style, is going

514
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 2: to dart in and out of you know, of the

515
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 2: pocket and look to land nice little combinations, then pop out,

516
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 2: take some time, get his get his wind back, and

517
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 2: then come in and land another flurry. Those are flashy,

518
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 2: those score and when he lands, as we saw against

519
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 2: Keith Thurman, they're still very powerful and can hurt someone.

520
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 2: Real bad. Uh. The thing that Hugas I think will

521
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 2: have going for him is he's he's pretty sharp. He

522
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 2: may be able to counter Manny on the way in.

523
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 2: He's got the length, he has the timing and the

524
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 2: eye to pull off some of that. But will it

525
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 2: be enough. Will he be able to land shots that

526
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 2: deter Manny from taking from from taking those risks from

527
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: basically doing his doing what we all recognize as a

528
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 2: Mania performance where he is moving in and out as

529
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 2: well as dipping it both ways, if the hips, throwing

530
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 2: that little drop step left hand, following it up with

531
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 2: with sneaky you know, sort of that one to one

532
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,479
Speaker 2: that that that that comes back with a lot more

533
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,239
Speaker 2: power with the second right hand. All of those moves, uh,

534
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 2: I think Manny is not going to be deterred to

535
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: the point that he won't use all of that that's

536
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 2: in his arsenal, And if he does, I think he'll

537
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 2: be He'll land the last year blows. He'll definitely have

538
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 2: the crowd ooing and eyeing for all of that, because

539
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 2: it will now be an almost entirely pucky out crowd that,

540
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 2: like the Cuban crowd, unfortunately does not even show up

541
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 2: in South Florida to support Cuban fighters. They ain't flying

542
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:45,959
Speaker 2: to Vegas for Ubas.

543
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 3: No, so Ugus has that potential uphill battle.

544
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: I don't think he has the style or will have

545
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: the kind of success where he'll start walking Manny down

546
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 1: the same way.

547
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 3: Let's give who guys credit gets Figueroa. He realized there wasn't.

548
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: A lot of power coming back against the blown up lightweight,

549
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: so he walked him down and beat him up pretty badly.

550
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: Is it more likely in terms of extreme scenarios in

551
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: your mind though, that Manny has his many Like it's

552
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 1: similar to the Moseley fight where Manny knocks Ugas down

553
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: early and Hugus goes, oh shit, I didn't think I

554
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: was getting into this, and then you know, goes into

555
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: a shell and Manny's cruises to a decision like he

556
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: did against Vargas, where.

557
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm quicker, I'll get out box this sky.

558
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 3: I'm not going to get in any trouble.

559
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: Or is it more likely and man he gets old

560
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: overnight and we have a fight similar to what we

561
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: had in the Horn fight, where we didn't think it

562
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: was going to be a fight and it turned into it.

563
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: In actual fight like that was a fricking fight. Many

564
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: had to do this if he had to do many

565
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: things again, I mean it was a fight. It wasn't

566
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: Marcus four, but it was a fight. In terms of

567
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 1: extreme scenarios, what's more likely here?

568
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 2: I mean, it really depends on if you think he's

569
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: going to get old overnight, and I don't know who

570
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: can guess that with any kind of accuracy. It's it's

571
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: definitely a possibility, given his age, given what the last

572
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 2: two years have been like in the world, the lack

573
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: of opportunities to train, to get fights, to stay warm.

574
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 2: I mean, he's sparring with your man Ivan Redcock, who

575
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 2: is not. I don't know what's that gonna get him

576
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 2: ready for a fight with one of Roy Jones's chickens.

577
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. Uh so he's Manny that,

578
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: But that's the that's the question. We're we're waiting to

579
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 2: see what Manny is going to look like in this fight.

580
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: If he looks like Nanny, I think he's going to

581
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 2: win fairly comfortably. Not that Ugas won't look good, won't

582
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 2: make him work at times, won't land some good counters,

583
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 2: but it's not going to be enough. He's not going

584
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: to keep up with that pace and he's not gonna

585
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: come back and take the fight he looked. For the

586
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 2: most part, Athletes are who they are. Fighters are who

587
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: they are. And we've and and as, even though we

588
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 2: can say that your Dennis Hugas is not quite the

589
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 2: stinker that the great Giermo Rigando is, uh, he still

590
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: has that in him. He's still does. He's not going

591
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: to go seize the moment, I don't think. And if

592
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: he does, God blessed, prove me wrong, because then we

593
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 2: will have a great, a much better fight on our

594
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: hands and potentially a great fight.

595
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: All right, best case scenarios here for Ugas Aside from

596
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: that scenario we just talked about where he throws early

597
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: and Manny is a is a legitimate step slow like

598
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: he has dropped off, and Hugas can kind of do

599
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: things to him right combinations and whatever.

600
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 3: I think the best case scenario for Ugas is that

601
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: he is.

602
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: Smarter and he's a very very strong defensive fighter and

603
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: he keeps a high guard.

604
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 3: Let's say he's smart.

605
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: He's smarter and more elusive than we expect, and he's

606
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: able to frustrate Manny while landing clean countershots and can make.

607
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 3: This a chess match.

608
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: That's kind of is that his best case scenario here,

609
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: short of finding an old Manny to try to out

610
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: out Slick and out chess Manny. I still again have

611
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: questions that the judges will accept that, and I have

612
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: questions that Hugas will throw enough punches to give him

613
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: a reason.

614
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 3: To accept it. But I could that.

615
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: I could see us getting to the midway point in

616
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: the fight and it's three to three in Hugas has

617
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: rounds where Manny with the jab and the explosions are

618
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: taken over. But then Ugas has those flip side rounds

619
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: where he has slowed that pace down and he's got

620
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: making Manny think let's give him his credit.

621
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 3: He can do that.

622
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think that's one of the likely scenarios for

623
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 2: how this fight plays out. Unfortunately for Ugas. I just

624
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 2: don't think that adds up to a win on the

625
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 2: scorecards in this case because of who he's fighting, Because

626
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: you know, he's fighting a legend in Las Vegas, where

627
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: Manny has fought you know, I mean, for the last

628
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: for most of the last twenty years of his career,

629
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: minus a random night in Malaysia and one down in

630
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 2: Brisbane or whatever that wherever they fought down under for

631
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: the Jeff Horn fight. In many case, Manny, this is

632
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: Vegas is gonna be Manny's town, both in terms of

633
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 2: the crowd and the judges and everything else that that

634
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:58,479
Speaker 2: could possibly weigh in his favor there. And it's one

635
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: of those things where when you're fighting, if you want

636
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 2: to win a close fight against the legend, you don't

637
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 2: want to edge it. You want to do you want

638
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 2: to do more, you want to go the extra mile.

639
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 2: And I don't know ifs can and will do that.

640
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: I wish you could get Nugus's ear and say, look,

641
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: this is your chance. This is your chance at super

642
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: you know, I mean not superstardom, but this is your chance.

643
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 3: Dude, you read Dennis or firemen, Yes, you know you

644
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 3: go for it.

645
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: Bro, be willing to get knocked out to have a

646
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: chance to win. I wish I could say that to

647
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: every fighter. Obviously easier said than done. I'm a keyboard

648
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: warrior in a basement, but when you sign up for

649
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: it and you're on a pay per view, you gotta

650
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: be coming. You gotta be coming to win, Bro, And

651
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't think he's Laura or Riggindoo

652
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: in terms of skills where he can paint a masterpiece.

653
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: So I think you and I are both headed to

654
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: the same prediction as we sort of round this out

655
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: Pacquiel by decision, and we'll.

656
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 3: Be praising it.

657
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: Damn Wright will be praising it at forty two in

658
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: a weird way. For all the crap of all the

659
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: boxing belts in the WBA is a cesspool of that.

660
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 3: This is kind of.

661
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: Fixing the champion, a recess super champion. Elevate ugas Man.

662
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: He's mad that they won't give him his belt back.

663
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: So now they're just gonna fight each other to find

664
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: out who's.

665
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 3: The real WBA Weltway champion. That's almost real boxing right there.

666
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: Right Well great, let's hey, let's all, let's all stand

667
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 2: up and give the w BA a round of applause,

668
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: because you know, they are really killing the game these

669
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 2: days with their fixed fights and racist judges and just

670
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: really just knocking it out the park. Look they look

671
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 2: the alpha belts are are trash and it's part of

672
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: the sport these days. But in terms of like how

673
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: the fight will play out, yeah, I'm with you. I

674
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: think that I think that Manny will look like himself

675
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 2: or a decent version of himself. I don't expect to

676
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: see him come in completely flat moribund just doesn't have

677
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: it on the night at his age. It's possible, but

678
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 2: we haven't seen it really before. Even when he has

679
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: looked flat, he has, you know, beaten guys like Jesse Vargas,

680
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 2: and he has almost beaten, arguably beaten guys like Jeff

681
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 2: Horn who was bigger and roughed him up and had

682
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: a home advantage and all that stuff. So he still

683
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 2: will have And that's the thing, you, The one thing

684
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 2: that snaps Manny out of out of a slow night

685
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 2: is someone bringing a fight to him. Then all of

686
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 2: a sudden, you are going to like revive all those juices.

687
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 2: He's gonna start pounding the old Klito Reus gloves together

688
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: and he's gonna go after it. What that's my glove,

689
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: the glove of Cleitorius.

690
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 3: And yes, be careful using Manny and Juicy in the

691
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: same set.

692
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: Are those are punters gloves? And if if Ugas does

693
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: end up getting an advantage starting to take the fight

694
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 2: to him, I think that brings out that extra level

695
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: of determination and will that wild Manny Pacillo that we

696
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 2: don't see as much anymore because he knows how to

697
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: sort of control it and only brings it out when

698
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: someone forces it to. But it's there and we've seen

699
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 2: it come out before and it can come out again.

700
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 2: It just adds up to a decision in favor of

701
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 2: Manny that I hope. Look, my hope is that if

702
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: that's how it plays out, it's it's a win that

703
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: we do feel good about that we don't say, well,

704
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: it's kind of like that third Marquez fight where he

705
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 2: was we wanted, the business wanted him to win, and

706
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: it was close enough, so we won anyway. But if

707
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: you put a gun to my head, I'm gonna tell

708
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 2: you that Marquez won that fight, and I'm gonna tell

709
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 2: you that maybe Ugas won this fight. I don't want that.

710
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 2: I want if many wins by decision like I think

711
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,399
Speaker 2: he will, I want it. I hope that it will

712
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: be a legit decision.

713
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: I hope one day Eddie Reinoso puts a gun to

714
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: my head and I can tell him that I watched

715
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: Trout beat Big Red, I watched Laura beat Big I've

716
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: seen Triple G beat Big Red twice.

717
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 3: Actually, bro wait, I scored Jacob's Big Red a draw.

718
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 3: I mean I did, but no one cares about my scores.

719
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 3: Let's let's close with this.

720
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: And by the way, Manny credits his longevity to the passion,

721
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: Freddy credits longevity to his work.

722
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 3: Ethic and I think both are true. There are other factors.

723
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: Maybe he does have the most jacked calves of all

724
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: time about what's next, or if there's a what's next.

725
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: Freddie told me on this show he thinks Manny's going

726
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: to run for president and win, and he thinks Manny

727
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: Manny's you know, goodbye to boxing for his legacy would

728
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: be to win a fight as sitting Filipino president. I

729
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: brought up to many and Manny said, no, no, no,

730
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: it's still fight by fight. Let me see how I look,

731
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 1: let me see how I feel. I can't tell you

732
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: what the future is. I think the biggest lament, although

733
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: we're getting a decent substitute here, is that if we

734
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: don't get Pakil Spence now, we may never get it.

735
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: How many times does Pacchio fight again? And is it

736
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: dependent upon winning or losing?

737
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 3: Here?

738
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 2: Well, so if he were fighting Aero Spence and in

739
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 2: that fight, I would have predicted that he lost, possibly ugly,

740
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: hopefully not but whatever, that fight not even happening. If

741
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 2: that fight happened and he lost, I think that probably

742
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 2: would have been the final fight in his career. There

743
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 2: wouldn't be an obvious point to come back and accomplish

744
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: what right before when he's planning to run for president

745
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 2: next May. And I think Freddie is right that Manny

746
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 2: does plan to run for president. We will know in

747
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 2: October when candidates in the Philippines have to submit their

748
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: certificates of candidacy. Boy Boy, maybe Boo Boy will will

749
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 2: move up from his current position as vice mayor of

750
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 2: a town in Albay Province. Shout out Bologi and.

751
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 3: A very well.

752
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: Whatever whatever Boo Boy is doing, he's getting everybody's got

753
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: to eat in the bou Boy family mayor. But Brian,

754
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: I think that uh the good. So I don't know

755
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: if it's a good thing or not, but but I

756
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: do think that fighting Ugas, if he wins, does make

757
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 2: the likelihood of seeing Manny again uh more more possible

758
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: then or higher than than it would be if he

759
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 2: had fought Spence and lost or maybe bought Spence in one.

760
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 2: I don't know, because one one of the things that

761
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: does pop play into politics here is he wanted a

762
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: big performance, a big galvanizing win, to sort of launch

763
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: his candidacy for assuming he does he does run, which

764
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 2: he's already releasing YouTube ads that look like presidential campaign commercials.

765
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 2: I mean, all the signs are lining up. Freddie is

766
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 2: dead wrong that he is likely to win at this point,

767
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 2: but things can change. That that has happened before. So

768
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: if he needed, like he wanted this big event, this

769
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 2: thing that the country would watch and be, oh my god,

770
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: now we remember he is this national hero who does

771
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 2: these impossible things, puts the Philippines on the map, and

772
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: brings pride to the nation in a way that no

773
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 2: worldwide celebrity in the country has in our lifetimes maybe

774
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: maybe ever. And the UGAS fight doesn't have that much

775
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: I can't say juice anymore. It doesn't have that much flavor.

776
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: It might have a lot of juice too, But so

777
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 2: I think that what it means is that it might

778
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: mean that Manny looks to squeeze in another fight between

779
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 2: now and the end of twenty twenty one or in

780
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 2: early twenty twenty two. It might mean, and I don't know. Look,

781
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 2: who knows how possible this is politics, politics, whatever. It

782
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 2: might mean that he needs to go big game hunting

783
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: and calls out somebody like Terrence Crawford because if Aero

784
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: Spence probably won't be ready to fight off of torn

785
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: retina in the next or shot for a month. That's

786
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 2: not big enough. You gotta go, you gotta He needs

787
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 2: to the level of win that he is hoping for,

788
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 2: at least in terms of political gain, is something that

789
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: will blow people's minds, right because right now he's running behind.

790
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: I mean, he's running way behind. I think there was

791
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 2: a survey about a month ago. He was the fifth

792
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 2: out of five potential candidates that were named. So I'm

793
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 2: not a fifth, not fifth out of five, but fifth fifth.

794
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 2: There were four people ahead of him. And so to

795
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: get to that point he really is, that's one that

796
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 2: was one of the appeals of fighting Spence.

797
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: Uh.

798
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 2: And so it might mean that he it's like, well, hey, hey,

799
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 2: al Uh, might we go make this fight with Terrence Crawford.

800
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: There will be money in it for all of us.

801
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 2: I need it fast, and I know, look, this is

802
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: this entire year.

803
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 3: Just doesn't fight for al just so you know, as right.

804
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 2: Now he will he will, But there's I know that

805
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: in but but even if he's even if Terrence Crawford's

806
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: plan is to remain with top rank for the rest

807
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 2: of his career, right, Manny pa in a farewell fight,

808
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 2: is the kind of opportunity that could get top rank

809
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 2: and PBC, the respective promotional organization managerial firms to make

810
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: a deal or whatever. I don't know what we're allowed

811
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 2: to call PBC, but definitely not a promoter, no exactly.

812
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: So uh that that opportunity is big enough I think

813
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: to make people cross the street, to make the stars

814
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: align fast in a way that hasn't happened all year.

815
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 2: All this entire year, all we're seeing is big fights

816
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 2: fall apart, big fight not come together. Canello and Caleb

817
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 2: Plant can't make a fight all of a sudden, Yeah

818
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 2: it does.

819
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 3: He go by calb only in the Dwyer house hold.

820
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, good, good, good, and all of those facts. I

821
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 2: think that it does make it more likely if Manny

822
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 2: wins that he looks for another another fight, another big

823
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 2: fight ideally look for as a fan or in terms

824
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: of what's the biggest fight for the sport you immediately

825
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 2: go to Crawford. You're right, it might not be Crawford

826
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 2: because of somebody O.

827
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 3: I'm in Porter's big enough. You know, no one's talking

828
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 3: about it.

829
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: But imagine if Tao Femo moved up, or Gervante or

830
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: somebody small was like, I want to catch this older guy.

831
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 3: How many wins but looks a little old. I don't know, man,

832
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 3: I'm just starting to.

833
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: Believe, even though we've had really bad luck lately, I'm

834
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 1: starting to believe in the power of the big fight again,

835
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: that people that this next generation, guys like Ryan Garcia,

836
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: Virgil or Chiez, they want the smoke.

837
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 3: Are you gonna go after it?

838
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: Am I allowed to talk about it? Are you serious? Brian?

839
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: Ryan Garcia?

840
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: No?

841
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 2: What's he doing right now? He's still well, he's still

842
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 2: on the beach.

843
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 3: Ryan Garcia, Manypaccio talk.

844
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: There was some okay, yeah, some shoot after that's easy money.

845
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 2: I'm sure Manny would want that easy money.

846
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 3: After he knocked out cousin Luke.

847
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 2: There was.

848
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 3: We've got to get out of here.

849
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: Anybody who doesn't follow at Raife bugs Raf Bartholome you regularly.

850
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: I love that theory, with the with the with the

851
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: Pacquiao with the Filipino presidency. You've got the years put in,

852
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: uh living in the Philippines covering that game, so you

853
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: know your ish, you know this game.

854
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 3: Indeed, right there at raif Bugs, you're a fine editor

855
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 3: for Texas Monthly. You're gonna get back into the boxing

856
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 3: game or what? Yeah?

857
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody cut the check.

858
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 3: All right, all right, I'm gonna close with this question.

859
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 3: You have thirty seconds or less to answer it.

860
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: You said, man, he's the last of his dying breed,

861
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 1: And that's why I think this week has felt extra special.

862
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: It's like this one more bonus giant Manupacio, biggest fight.

863
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 3: Of the year. Kind of not really, will there ever

864
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 3: be another Manupacio in our lifetime?

865
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 2: In our lifetime? No, I mean in all likely, of

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Speaker 2: course not. He is. He is beyond once in a lifetime.

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Speaker 2: He is once and I don't know five lifetime type

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00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 2: of type of athlete, type of boxer, type of performer,

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Speaker 2: type of man, type of man.

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Speaker 3: Yes, all right, there he is.

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Speaker 1: Rath Boogs, I'm your boy, BC Morning Combat. Like and

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00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: subscribe every Monday, Wednesday and Friday. We're gonna get this

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00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: band back together. The hard coorse I love what we

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Speaker 1: do here.

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Speaker 3: I love what you do for me.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Detroit's finest rap, Bartholomew, thank you on BC.

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Speaker 1: Enjoyed the fight this Saturday, PBC, on Fox pay per view.

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Speaker 3: We are