1 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Hello Sunshine. 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 2: Hey fam Today on the bright Side, we're joined by 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 2: author you Lean Kwang. She's the May pick for Reese's 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 2: Book Club, and she's here to talk all about her 5 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 2: debut novel, How To End a Love Story. It's so good. 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 2: It's Thursday, May thirtieth. I'm Simone Boyce. 7 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: I'm Danielle Robe and this is the bright Side from 8 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: Hello Sunshine. Simone. I came across this article on Cosmo 9 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: that I need to get your opinion on. So this 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: writer is endorsing getting drinks with an X, and I 11 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: know we all have strong feelings about that. She says 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: she thinks it's okay because of romantic nostalgia. I don't know. 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 2: I agree. I have so many questions. This is raising 14 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: a lot of red flags for me. 15 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: So I don't actually think that it's helpful to go 16 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: back in time very often. 17 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 2: No, I can't think of very many instances where it 18 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 2: is helpful. 19 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: I've done this multiple times. Okay, you know I have 20 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: multiple axes. 21 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: Well, you do. It also depends your current relationship status, 22 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: So did you do this while you were single in 23 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 2: a relationship? 24 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: Right? So I think if you're in a current relationship, 25 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: it's a little spici or trickier, because is that really okay. 26 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:12,839 Speaker 3: I'm not thinking it's. 27 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 2: Disrespectful if you don't if you're not upfront about it 28 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: with your partner, oh yeah yeah. 29 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: But also you need a really good reason even if 30 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: you're upfront. It's like, for why, exactly for why? 31 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: I'm trying to think if my husband was like, hey, 32 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: I'm just going to meet up with my ex that 33 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 2: I would be like why, why why are you doing that? 34 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I don't understand the reason. But I've met 35 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: up with exes in the past when I wasn't in 36 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: a current relationship, and I felt so icky after nothing happened. 37 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: We just got a breakfast or a meal or a 38 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: drink or whatever, and I felt like I had so 39 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: outgrown them. It didn't take me back to a time 40 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: and place of myself. It took me to a place 41 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: where I was like, how could I have ever dated you? 42 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: So tell me about the why behind and your ex meetups. 43 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: It was usually at their request, and then I sort 44 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: of just said like sure, but first of all, you 45 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 1: have to go in looking amazing. You have to look fabulous, 46 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: and the outfit really matters, Like you don't want to 47 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: look like you tried too hard, but like you have 48 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: to try a little bit. I love like a gene 49 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: that makes your butt look really good with like a 50 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: simple white or black tanker T shirt and then great 51 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: simple makeup and some hoop earrings, so like a Calvin kleinad. 52 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: I mean, that's basically my wardrobe. But it's like a 53 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 1: dry hard, not try hard outfit. 54 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 2: Doesn't that part feel a little thirsty though, like as 55 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 2: you're getting ready, Yes, it feels thirsty, right, yes. 56 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: It feels And then you change your shoes multiple times 57 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: because you're like, do I wear heels? Do I wear sneakers? No? 58 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: I definitely should wear sneakers. Why do I care? And 59 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 1: you start coming. 60 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 2: Through this is a case for not meeting up with 61 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: them because I don't think they deserve that much of 62 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 2: your time, your brain space. So when you met up 63 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: with the X, did you get a chance to say 64 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 2: something that you wish you had said? Did you get 65 00:02:58,880 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: like one more barb in. 66 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: Error My most recent ex, who is the only one 67 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 1: that I don't really talk to because he sucks. We 68 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: met up right before COVID happened, at his request, and 69 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 1: I still had really hurt feelings from the relationship in 70 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: the breakup, and I was like, this is my time 71 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 1: to communicate it and I got to get everything off 72 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: my chest. 73 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 2: I cried. 74 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: He looked so uncomfortable, like that is not what he 75 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: came here for. 76 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 2: I did not want this. I got way more than 77 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 2: I bargained for. 78 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: I think he was looking to see if we would 79 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: hook up again, and of course he was. 80 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: The only one reason why he's reaching out. 81 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: And I was like, this is a moment to have, 82 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: like a closure therapy session. And so after that, I 83 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: was like, I'm never doing this again. 84 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 2: You would a therapy session. 85 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: I was like, this is great. We get to like 86 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: have all of these unexpressed feelings. No, he was not 87 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: having it. I felt so dumb and I was like, 88 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: I'm never doing this again. Oh no, Yeah, But lesson learned. 89 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: Keep it for your journals, keep it for the book. 90 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: If you're going to write a book about your life, 91 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: do that. 92 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 2: Watch the movies that remind you of it. You can 93 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 2: get your fill of romantic nostalgia in other places movies, music, TV. 94 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 2: Speaking of TV, we got to get into a platonic 95 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 2: or perhaps not so platonic situation. All right, So the 96 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 2: internet is investigating whether The Bear castmates Ioadebris and Jeremy 97 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: Allen White are a thing. Have you heard about this? 98 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 4: No? 99 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 3: Whoo? 100 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 1: I love this. I love this for them. 101 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 2: If you watch the show The Bear, they have this 102 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 2: incredible chemistry and a really tight relationship on screen, so 103 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 2: it would make a lot of sense if they did 104 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 2: have that off screen. I mean, fans of the show 105 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: have been rooting for these two for a minute. But 106 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 2: we got some new evidence. Okay, So a video of 107 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 2: Io and Jeremy at a Chicago Cubs game. Shout out, Chicago, 108 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 2: shout out, thanks for that out shout out Brigley Field. 109 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 2: This video, y'all, is adding more fuel to the fire. 110 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: I saw the clip. It is a video from above, 111 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 2: so like they're sitting further down in the stadium seats. 112 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 2: Someone captured it from. 113 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: Above, so creepy. 114 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 2: It's totally creepy. Jeremy has his hand on Io's back 115 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 2: and he's like rubbing between her shoulder blades. Once you 116 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 2: see this video, you realize it is not platonic at all. 117 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: Disagree, and I haven't seen the video. 118 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: You have to see it. Look up the video. 119 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: Okay. 120 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: Once you see it, there's no way that they're just friends. 121 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's not friendly. I don't you friendly. This 122 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: is on par with a thigh caresses. This is on 123 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 2: par with a forehead kiss in my opinion. 124 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: Oh not quite a forehead. 125 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 2: Okay, maybe it's one degree back from a forehead kiss. 126 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 2: But I mean this is all but confirmed in the 127 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 2: school of school of thought of Simone boys. 128 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: I wish I could say that they were doing this 129 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: because I think the new season is coming out and 130 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: it's like the great publicity that they're dating. But I 131 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: don't think they're tricking us. 132 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 2: I mean, I think it could really be real after 133 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 2: seeing this. Okay, right side, bessies, you have to go 134 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: watch the video. Let us know if we are de 135 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 2: Lulu or if this relationship is the Sululu After the break, 136 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: we're talking about another kind of love story. Yuleen Kwang 137 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: is here. She's the author of the May Pick for 138 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 2: Reese's Book Club. Her book is How to End a 139 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 2: Love Story, and we're getting into it. 140 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: Stay with us. We are here with the May Pick 141 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 1: for Reese's Book Club author Yuleen Kwang. Her debut novel, 142 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: How to End a Love Story, hit the shelves last 143 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: month and it is already becoming a fan favorite, and. 144 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 2: I'm one of those fans. Danielle. How To End a 145 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 2: Love Story follows Helen Zang, a best selling author whose 146 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 2: Ya novel is getting adapted to a TV show. So 147 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: Helen walks into the writer's room on day one, and 148 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 2: who does she see? Of course it's Grant Shepherd, the 149 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 2: one person she hoped she'd never see after high school 150 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 2: and the one person who will always remind her of 151 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 2: her family's tragedy. I could not put this book down, y'all. 152 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 3: I swear. 153 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 2: I blew through it in like a day. 154 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: It took me too, but it was so good. And 155 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: in addition to her work as a novelist, Yuleene is 156 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: a screenwriter and director whose credits include TV shows like 157 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: Dollface and I Ship It. She's currently directing a film 158 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: adaptation of romance author Emily Henry's best selling novel bet Read. 159 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: Everyone's excited for that one, Euleene, Welcome to the bright Side. 160 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 4: Hi, thank you so much for having me. Can I 161 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 4: just say I was listening to your Michelle Kwan episode 162 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 4: coming in today because I figure skate, but I only 163 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 4: started as an adult. 164 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: Oh that's cool. 165 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I woke up this morning because I had a 166 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 4: lesson with my coach and I saw Michelle Kwan's face 167 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 4: and the bright side, and I was like, oh my gosh, 168 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 4: perfect listening. 169 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: We all got you starting. 170 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 4: I had been so obsessed with skating when I was 171 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 4: a kid, but my parents were like, oh no, honey, like, 172 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 4: we don't have the money for that, And so I 173 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 4: had disposable income for the first time in my life. 174 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 4: So I googled and I found a rink and then 175 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 4: I started skating as an adult. 176 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: That is so cool. Good for you. Isn't it so 177 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: freeing to be on the ice? 178 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I love it so much. It feels 179 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 4: like the closest thing the flying. 180 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: I think, yes, that's how I felt. 181 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 3: That is so cool. 182 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: You should probably reach out to Michelle Kwan. 183 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 4: I would love to, Okay, listen if you can connect us, 184 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 4: because I took a lesson with her former coach, Frank Carroll, 185 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 4: because I had this like actress friend who she was 186 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 4: doing something called rejection immersion therapy where every single day 187 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 4: she had to ask for something where she thought the 188 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 4: answer was no. I guess the idea is you'll get 189 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 4: you steering now, or maybe sometimes you'll hear it. 190 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 3: Yes, So I put in a request for. 191 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 4: Frank Carroll to coach me, thinking he would just like 192 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 4: do me the honor of projecting me, and he said yes, 193 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 4: And so I still remember like our first lesson together 194 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 4: where he was like, you have as much right to 195 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 4: be here as anyone else. 196 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 3: Show me your forward stroke. 197 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: That's good. Oh so I like rejection therapy, have been 198 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: practicing it my whole life. 199 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 3: It's so good. 200 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 2: So you've wanted to be a storyteller, I hear, ever 201 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 2: since you were a kid. What was the first story 202 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 2: that you wrote and shared. I would always. 203 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 4: Watch movies and kind of like rewrite them in my 204 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 4: head when I was going to bed. I wanted the 205 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 4: characters to kiss more, like I remember watching a few 206 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 4: Good Men and then wanting Tom Cruise and to me 207 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 4: more to kiss. So I would just go to bed 208 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 4: replaying that scenes and then just being like, what would 209 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 4: I have to adjust? I wrote a lot of like 210 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 4: hand scrawled things. Do you remember those Dear America books? 211 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 1: I don't know. 212 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 2: Tell me more about that. 213 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 4: They were like diary entry type things where it was 214 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 4: the narrative of some historic event was in a diary 215 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 4: and so I wanted to do that with Pearl Harbor, 216 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 4: and so I wrote like a diary entree style novel 217 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 4: that was like my first one, and you know famously, 218 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 4: Pearl Harbor happens December seventh, nineteen forty one. And I 219 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 4: started my story in like nineteen thirty eight because I 220 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 4: thought we needed a lot of backstory. And then I 221 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 4: had a friend who told me, you know, this is 222 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 4: kind of boring. I think you should you should cut 223 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 4: to the chase. So I abandoned that effort, and then 224 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 4: I started putting together my next book. At this point 225 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 4: in time, I'm like in fifth grade. But then I 226 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 4: discovered fan fiction and that kind of altered my brain chemistry, 227 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 4: and that was where I really got started writing things 228 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 4: and sharing them with people. 229 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: I love hearing that historical fiction peaked your literary interest. 230 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: That's how I got into books. I loved like you 231 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: could learn about something that you didn't know about and 232 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: read about these characters that you love. There was always 233 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: like a romance element, which. 234 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 3: I know you really read with. 235 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 1: You started your career with adaptations, and you're currently adapting 236 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: Emily Henry's novel People we Meet on Vacation and the 237 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: forthcoming beach Read into feature films. How did you approach 238 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 1: writing and adaptation. I look at. 239 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 4: Adaptation as kind of like a puzzle and a love 240 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 4: letter at the same time, because I personally can't adapt 241 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 4: anything that I don't love. So I'm looking at what 242 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 4: is it about it that deeply resonates with me, What 243 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 4: is the part of it that I'm kind of identifying, 244 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 4: and then I construct a love letter to that. And 245 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 4: that's when I go back to my roots when I 246 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 4: was a fan fiction writer, because that was where I 247 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 4: first discovered that people would play in these spaces that 248 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 4: were other people's worlds, but they were finding the parts 249 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 4: that they gravitated to most. And once I kind of 250 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 4: unlocked that part of my brain in the ways that 251 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 4: I approached adaptation, my career went a lot better. 252 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: Now there's something about your story that Simone and I 253 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: are both obsessed with. When we learned this about you, 254 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: we thought this should be on every social media handle 255 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: you have. You were once fired from a Hallmark movie 256 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: for being to quote unquote hip. What happened and how 257 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: did you learn from that experience? 258 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, So, my co writer Liz Scudlow and I we 259 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 4: were writing a Hallmark movie called Love on Iceland, where 260 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 4: these two characters fall in love on Iceland. And I 261 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 4: think we were writing a lot of jokes that the 262 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 4: Hallmark Channel just felt like we're off brand, Like we 263 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 4: had go Thomas Kinkaid joke, and they were like, no, no, no, 264 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 4: we don't want to touch with Thomas Kinkai joke. 265 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 3: That might be too controversial. 266 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 2: So I was like, okay, wait, I'm sorry Thomas Kinkaid 267 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 2: as in the guy who paints those moody pictures of 268 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 2: cottages nestled in the forest. 269 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, that would be too controversial potentially. And then 270 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 4: I think we had maybe like a Georgiana and Maal 271 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 4: Clooney joke in there that they were like, this is 272 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 4: too much of a pop culture reference for our audience. 273 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 4: And so I think after one too many of those 274 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 4: types of notes where they kept telling us these jokes 275 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 4: are too hip for Hallmark, they called us onto a 276 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 4: conference call and then they told us we're. 277 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 3: Going in a different direction. 278 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 4: You know, they hired other writers who got the job done, 279 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 4: and they went to Iceland and they shot that movie 280 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 4: and they still fall in Love on Iceland. So we 281 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 4: are still credited on that project. 282 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: You mean this has to be at the top of 283 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: every bias, so when you walk out on a panel stage, 284 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: everybody knows this. 285 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 2: You know. 286 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 4: At the time, I didn't feel great about it because 287 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 4: it's to feel like professional failure. They're like very well 288 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 4: known hallmark in the space of romance, and as somebody 289 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 4: who loves kissing stories, I was kind of. 290 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 3: Like, is my career over? Yeah? Will I ever get 291 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 3: another chance? 292 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 2: You definitely are just at the beginning of your career, 293 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 2: and I want to get into the reason why we're 294 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 2: all here, which is how to end a love story? 295 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 2: Which came first for you these characters or the storyline? 296 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 4: I think probably the characters, because I always knew it 297 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 4: was going to be a novelist and a screenwriter. I 298 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 4: always knew I kind of wanted to explore an East 299 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 4: coast West coast dichotomy there, and I knew I wanted 300 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 4: to kind of give them that tension, and so I 301 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 4: really started there, and then I knew I wanted to 302 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 4: force them into a writer's room together because I love 303 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 4: a forced proximity trope. 304 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: If someone were to ask you what this book is about, 305 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: I'm curious how you would describe it? 306 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 3: How would I describe it? 307 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 4: I mean, I would say it's the story of a 308 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 4: screenwriter and a novelist who find themselves in the same 309 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 4: TV writer's room thirteen years after this very tragic accident 310 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 4: that kind of binds them together forever. 311 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 3: And then they're in this room trying to. 312 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 4: Work through the work of adaptation, and then they go 313 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 4: on a healing journey together as well. 314 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: I read that you use the Anagram personality test to 315 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: help you develop these characters. Why do you find that 316 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: to be so useful? That's so interesting? 317 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 3: Oh, I love it so much. 318 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 4: So for anybody who doesn't know the Aneagram personality test, 319 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 4: there's like nine different personality types. It kind of centers 320 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 4: around what people's wounds are and how maybe the things 321 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 4: that they encountered and youth shaped them into a person 322 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 4: who has very specific fears, very specific once, and a 323 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 4: very specific drive. On some level, I think all personality 324 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 4: tests are kind of bullshit. 325 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 3: Can I curse on here? 326 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: You can curse? And also what aneagram are you? 327 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 2: So? 328 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 4: I think they're all a little bit bullshit, But I 329 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 4: think that the anagram one is my favorite because it 330 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 4: tells you what a person is like when they're trending 331 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 4: towards health versus their most unhealthy. So I am an 332 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 4: Aneagram three, which is the achiever, and that is the 333 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 4: type that I gave to Helen, and I gave Grant 334 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 4: my husband's Enneagram type, which is number two, the helper. 335 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 4: And I really like the enneagram for mapping what a 336 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 4: character is like in Act one when they're kind of 337 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 4: in their normal world, and then you take them to 338 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 4: an unhealthier place in the conflict section, and then you 339 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 4: bring them back to a healthier place, hopefully at the end. 340 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 2: So now that we know that there's a bit of 341 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 2: you in Helen and a bit of your husband and Grant, 342 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 2: what is the most Helen thing about you? And what's 343 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 2: the most Grant thing about your husband? Oh, my gosh, 344 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 2: the most Helen thing about me. 345 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 4: I think I resonated with that character so much because 346 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 4: I gave her all of my insecurities. And it's a 347 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 4: hard thing for Helen because I feel like she's so 348 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 4: prickly and uncomfortable all the time, and that's because I 349 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 4: just gave her all my baggage. 350 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 3: I was like, do you want to just take this 351 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 3: all from me? Like that'll be a lighter weight for 352 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 3: me then. 353 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 4: And then for Grant, I gave him like my husband's 354 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 4: ability to be very, very selfless, I would say, in 355 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 4: the ways that he wants to help others, and I 356 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 4: can see also how that can sometimes get him into 357 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 4: trouble where he's not prioritizing himself enough. So I really 358 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 4: liked how the partnership of Helen and Grant allowed me 359 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 4: to kind of examine what those dynamics are like. 360 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 2: As someone who loves kissing in films in stories. What 361 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,959 Speaker 2: is the secret to an epic love story to you, 362 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 2: I would say romantic tension. 363 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 4: I think that we need tension in order to really 364 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 4: feel the narrative thrust of a story, Like we kind 365 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 4: of need to know why a couple can't be together 366 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 4: right now. And so if there're just two nice people 367 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 4: who could just be together. 368 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 3: Then I'm like, then I don't really want to watch that. 369 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 4: I think they'd be lovely people to befriend and like 370 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 4: go to brunch with, But that's not necessarily the story 371 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 4: I want to go for Shakespearean. 372 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: It's also my toxic love life anyway. I learned that 373 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: actually through the West Wing, because Josh and Donna were 374 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: never Oh my gosh, and Aaron Sorkin made that happen 375 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: right like for three seasons, and then he left the 376 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: show and the new showrunner and writer's room had them kiss, 377 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: and the show was kind of over. 378 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 4: I was so obsessed with them. I remember there was 379 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 4: like a fan site where you could read every single 380 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 4: interaction that they had. It just like cataloged them all 381 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 4: and you could just read the transcript of each scene. 382 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 4: And I would just go to that like twenty times 383 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 4: a day. 384 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: Can you bring that show back, please? You'd be so 385 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: good writing it. 386 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 2: I would love to ilimans my like forever crush. 387 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: Okay, I know he's like, you're hearing me. 388 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 2: Out, not even he's not even to hear me out. 389 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 3: He is a straightforward yes. 390 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, we get it. 391 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't have to hear her out. 392 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 2: You're right. 393 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: He's hot. He's hot and smart. It's a win when. Yeah, 394 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: your book is called How to End a Love Story, 395 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: but there's more than one love story in the book. 396 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: There's romantic love and family love. Why did you juxtapose 397 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: the love stories that exist within families with romantic love. 398 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 4: I think because they often go hand in hand, you know, 399 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 4: I think your your family, those are often the people 400 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 4: that first teach you what you know about love. They 401 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,719 Speaker 4: kind of define it for you through their daily actions, 402 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 4: and you spend all of this time in your childhood 403 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 4: and you're like just a person who's trying to make 404 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 4: your way through and find love and give love. And 405 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 4: then it becomes this thing where sometimes sometimes you'll stumble 406 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 4: and you'll be like, oh, why am I so activated? 407 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 4: Why are all these things happening that I don't understand? 408 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 4: And then you look back and you're like, Oh, it's 409 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 4: because of like this thing that happened in my life 410 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 4: at one point. 411 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 3: I think those two for me are. 412 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 4: Very, very connected because of how love is kind of 413 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 4: taught to us. 414 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 2: Okay, I want to ask you about the other horny 415 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 2: books you read, because I have a few in my 416 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 2: library and I want to cross reference. 417 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: What did you call them? 418 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 4: Mud? 419 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 2: It's mutt, Yeah, smut smutty books. 420 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: YEA Simone taught me that I'd never heard that term. 421 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: I prefer money books to like spice. There's something about 422 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: spice that to me sometimes feels like we're like whitewashing 423 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: it again, and I'm like, no, just called it smutt. 424 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: There is not a derogatory connotation to smut. To me. 425 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like it's okay for us giving ourselves permission 426 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 2: to love these books and all their yeazziness and raunchiness. 427 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 428 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 4: For for a long time, I used to keep all 429 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 4: of my romance novels under a tab in my Kindle 430 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 4: called Trashy Romance Novels. And it was like a big 431 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 4: moment for me when I deleted the trashy and I 432 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 4: was like. 433 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 3: No, no, no, this is literature. Yeah. 434 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 2: Well, there are a lot of women around the world 435 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 2: right now who are fighting back against that stigma and 436 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 2: saying no, we are going to be unabashed in our 437 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 2: embrace of these stories and like let us live, like. 438 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 3: Let's exactly life, you know, truly. 439 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 2: I have to ask you about something that I read 440 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 2: in the back acknowledgments of the book. You tell your 441 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 2: parents not to tell you if they've read certain chaps. 442 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 2: Why did you say that and what did you mean 443 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 2: by that? 444 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 4: I mean they are all the chapters with any reference 445 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 4: to sex, Like one of them is like pretty tame, 446 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 4: even it's the one where she goes to his house 447 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 4: and I think he has the brief thought a couple 448 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 4: hours ago she came on my tongue, So I was 449 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 4: just like, yeah, no, that's that's too much for them. 450 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 4: I would say like sex was a very taboo subject 451 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 4: in my household growing up. It was like not a 452 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 4: safe space for those conversations. And I don't know, maybe 453 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 4: I had my sexual awakening too early. I feel like 454 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 4: I watched like Anastasia in a theater and I saw 455 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 4: Dimitri with his Adam's apple, and I was just like, 456 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 4: what's happening to me? So I was just like baseline, 457 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 4: pretty horny. And I remember watching porn really young. I 458 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 4: was maybe like fourteen fifteen. Actually that might not even 459 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 4: be that young. That might be about the age when 460 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 4: people discover it. And I was kind of curious about 461 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 4: sex because it was such a taboo topic that I 462 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 4: was like, where am I going to learn about this? 463 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 4: So I started going to porn sites just to you know, 464 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 4: educate myself. I was always a good student. And then 465 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 4: I accidentally downloaded a virus to the family computer and 466 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 4: so I came home one day and my parents are 467 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 4: sitting They're like, Uleen, we need to talk to you. 468 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 4: And they're sitting stone faced in front of the computer 469 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 4: and there is on the monitor I can only describe 470 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 4: as like a snake of pop ups that are all 471 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 4: just each one more graphic than the last, and my Dad's. 472 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 3: Like, we have to talk to you about something. 473 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 4: My mom looks and she just bursts into tears and 474 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 4: leaves the room, and then my dad goes, you know what, 475 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 4: never mind, you can go. And that was about the 476 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 4: sex talk that I received. So I think with that 477 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 4: key memory in mind, I was just like, I'm not 478 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 4: going to subject them to this book. 479 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 2: I can so relate to not having a safe space 480 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 2: to talk about sex. Growing up, we did not talk 481 00:22:59,080 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 2: about it. 482 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 3: I had to figure it out on my own. 483 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 2: My sexual awakening was watching Patrick Swayze gyrate his hips 484 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 2: in Dirty Dancing and a Sleepover. That was the first 485 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 2: time I got the tingles. 486 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 4: I feel like maybe the reason I love historical romance 487 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 4: so much is because I was so repressed that now 488 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 4: there is something on like an id level that really 489 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 4: appeals to me about the fact that it's like we 490 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 4: mustn't like a single touch is too much, Yeah, and 491 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 4: we have to go recover. 492 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, something something got hard coded into me. 493 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: There's something there, for sure. 494 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 2: But I think that's why you're so good at inserting 495 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 2: romantic tension into the stories, because you know what it 496 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 2: feels like to suppress. 497 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, but we mustn't quality I'm very familiar. 498 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: With you're the master, we mustn't. 499 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 4: It's yeah, thank you for that. Yeah, well, thank you 500 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 4: to my parents for that. 501 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: So I don't want to give anything away, but I'm 502 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: dying to know about writing a sex scene because people 503 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: are using into to see coordinators on screen these days. 504 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: How do you coordinate these scenes within yourself? 505 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 4: It honestly would have been much easier for me to 506 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 4: write like a fade to Black romance, because I think 507 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 4: that's what I've would have been much more comfortable with. 508 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 4: And I think that's why I did decide to write 509 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 4: sex on the page, because I wanted to push myself 510 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 4: a little bit, and so I was chasing what was 511 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 4: appealing to me. It was kind of like a self 512 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 4: discovery exercise. I feel like a sex therapist should probably 513 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 4: tell people to write a scene that feels horny to them, 514 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 4: because I learned so much about myself and what turns 515 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 4: me on in the process of writing this, and then, 516 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 4: you know, it was fun because then I would hand 517 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 4: it to my husband at the end of every night 518 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 4: of drafting and I'd be. 519 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 3: Like read this, you'd be like, oh, interesting, this is. 520 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 4: Feeling a little instructional, and so I think it was 521 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 4: good for us honestly. 522 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: So we both are big fans of you and this book, 523 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: and we want to give our listeners a little window 524 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: into your words. Will you do us the huge honor 525 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: of reading us a passage from the book? 526 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 3: Yes, of course. 527 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 2: Okay, Bessie's let's get to my favorite part of our 528 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 2: author interviews. Here on the bright side, Julien Kwang is 529 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 2: going to read us a passage from her book this 530 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 2: month's Reese's Book Club pick, How to End a Love Story. 531 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 4: She pulls up her call log and her thumb hovers 532 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 4: over his name. He'd pick up, She's sure of it. 533 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 4: She'd call and he'd pick up, and she'd tell him 534 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 4: she's moved back into her old apartment in New York 535 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 4: that doesn't feel like home anymore, and she misses him 536 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 4: so much that her heart hurts all the time, and 537 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 4: she loves him so much she sometimes can't fathom a 538 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 4: world where she's ever truly happy again. He'd come back, 539 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 4: and she'd blow off her plans for a reconciliation dinner 540 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 4: with her parents tomorrow and she'd be able to touch 541 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 4: him again, and and she would make it impossible for 542 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 4: either of them to move on. Let him go, she 543 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 4: reminds herself sharply. He deserves a happy, normal life with 544 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 4: a happy, extraordinary someone. The kind of woman who deserves 545 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 4: Grant would have found him on the right coast, the 546 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 4: one he calls home. He would have opened his arms 547 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 4: and she would have fallen into them for the first 548 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 4: time and known it was her favorite place in the 549 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 4: world right away. She wouldn't have had to fight a terrible, 550 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 4: confusing mixture of compulsions to flee and burrow at the 551 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 4: same time, choosing ultimately to flee. The kind of woman 552 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 4: who deserves Grant would have known what she had when 553 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 4: she had it, and wouldn't have waited until weeks later 554 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 4: to weep and wallow over the loss of him in 555 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 4: a bathtub for so long she now knows what her 556 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 4: toes would look like if she drowned. The kind of 557 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 4: woman who deserves Grant would be capable of the kind 558 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 4: of love that keeps little sisters alive. Grant Shepherd deserves 559 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 4: a Hollywood movie ending with swelling music and sweeping camera 560 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 4: movements and kissing in the rain. This movie would have 561 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 4: an epilogue with warm lighting and dad jokes and family 562 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 4: dinners in the summer garden over the end credits, and 563 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 4: Helen Sang has never been built for that kind of 564 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 4: uncomplicated happily. 565 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 3: Ever after. 566 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: You lean it closed my eyes and just let it 567 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: wash over me, and that was so great. I love 568 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: all the details that you add. It feels so real 569 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: to me. 570 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 4: I like that section all lot. I kind of wanted 571 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 4: to say to readers, I am not trying to be 572 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 4: Emily Henry because I love Emily's work and I love 573 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 4: her writing so much, and I know exactly from the 574 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 4: adaptation work I do what kind of movie I want 575 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 4: to watch when I'm watching an Emily Henry book to 576 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 4: screen adaptation. 577 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 3: And I think that passage was a little bit. 578 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 4: Of my ode to that where I'm like, I know 579 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 4: where this would go if if I were doing that, 580 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 4: But that's not what I am as an author, and 581 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 4: that's not who this character is either. 582 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 2: Yuleen, we're having a blast with you, but we got 583 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 2: to take a quick break. When we come back, we're 584 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,479 Speaker 2: going to learn more about who you are as an author. 585 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 2: With a little help from our bright Side Besties. 586 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 1: We're back with Yuleen Kwang talking all about her debut book, 587 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: How To End a Love Story. We have readers with questions, 588 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: so let's get in it. Hi. This is Larissa from Toronto. 589 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 5: I really loved this book, especially how generous you were 590 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 5: with writing what I like to call micro moments like 591 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 5: Grant playing with Helen's hair or caressing her jaw, or 592 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 5: Helen kissing Grant's fingertips. You were very visual in your 593 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 5: descriptions and it gifted the reader these tender, sensual snapshots 594 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 5: that practically suspended time. 595 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 3: So I have two parts to my question. 596 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 5: First, do you feel like your skills as a screenwriter 597 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 5: allowed you to get more visual when writing these scenes? 598 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 5: And secondly, how did you balance writing these beautifully steamy 599 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 5: moments while also managing to leave space for the grief 600 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 5: that Helen and Grant were grappling with. 601 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you for that question. I think my work 602 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 4: as a screenwriter definitely did help me in that way, 603 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 4: because I wanted to create a visual and I think 604 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 4: I was thinking almost about like giable moments, maybe not 605 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 4: like deliberately, but I just knew that as somebody who 606 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,959 Speaker 4: consumes media very obsessively, there are certain moments that I 607 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 4: obsess over in movies and TV shows that I then 608 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 4: end up replaying over and over again. So when the 609 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 4: technology was invented that I could reblog that to Tumblr, 610 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 4: I was thrilled. And so I think when I was writing, 611 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 4: I was chasing those types of moments when you talk 612 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 4: about the caressing of the jaw and those types of things, 613 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 4: And then in terms of balancing those kind of steamier 614 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 4: moments with the more serious topics like grief and things 615 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 4: like that, I think that is how I experience life. 616 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 4: I think I am both horny and sad and happy 617 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 4: and hopeful and depressed, and so I wanted to write 618 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 4: a book that kind of reflected that experience. 619 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: Eileene, I can hear our producers giggling in the other room. 620 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: That's how hard they're laughing with you. 621 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 3: Perfect. 622 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I'm excited for this next one. This 623 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 2: question is a bit controversial. 624 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: Hi. 625 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 3: I'm Rachel from Connecticut. 626 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 6: I absolutely we love the interactions between Helen and Grant. 627 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 6: They're so heartbreaking and raw. It's so so beautiful. My 628 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 6: question is about adaptation. You've said that this book is 629 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 6: a love letter to adaptation, but whenever people watch an adaptation, 630 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 6: they say that the book is always better. As a screenwriter, 631 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 6: what does that mean to you now that you've written 632 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 6: your book, And how does this question make you feel 633 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 6: as an adapt to yourself. 634 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 3: What a tricky mindfield of question. No, I love it. 635 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 4: I will challenge the idea that the book is always 636 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 4: better when you come to the movie, you have all 637 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 4: of these preconceived notions about it. 638 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 3: But there are also a lot of books that get 639 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 3: adapted that are kind of flawed. 640 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 4: But with a good screenwriter and a great premise, the adaptation, 641 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 4: I think can sometimes really really sing. I won't say 642 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 4: the adaptation is better necessarily, but the adaptation becomes the 643 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 4: thing that introduces people back to the book. Legally Blonde, 644 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 4: I think, is a really great example of that. Not 645 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 4: a lot of people know that is an adaptation, but 646 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 4: it is if you watch the opening credits as often 647 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 4: as I did as a child, because I was obsessed 648 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 4: with that movie and I liked the book. But I 649 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 4: think the movie is still what I think of definitively 650 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,719 Speaker 4: when I think of Legally Blonde. When I approach adaptation, 651 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 4: I am always thinking about what will service this story 652 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 4: best in its new medium, Because that is my goal. 653 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 4: I'm not really chasing a strictly faithful adaptation of the book, 654 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 4: because the book will always exist. I don't want to 655 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 4: be compared to the thing and be found lacking every 656 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 4: single time because I was trying to be so faithful 657 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 4: that I betrayed the screen audience. So I think ultimately 658 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 4: the purpose of successful adaptation is to bring new audiences 659 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 4: back to the source material, rather than to please only 660 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 4: the book fans. 661 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: So one of the goals of Reese's Book Club is 662 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: to uplift and empower female authors. You've posted that you 663 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: have been training for this moment your entire life. What 664 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: has it meant to you to be an RBC pick? 665 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 3: Oh my god, It's like. 666 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 4: It is hard for me to describe that other than 667 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 4: through that one screenshot of Ellwood's walking up to the 668 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 4: bulletin board to see her name on the list of 669 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 4: people that Victor Garber has selected to be in his 670 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 4: summer internship, and she's just likeing to he Yes. I 671 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 4: watched that movie so many times that I memorized it. 672 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,959 Speaker 4: I remember writing in the back of an old Lisa 673 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 4: Frank diary my memorized transcript of the movie. 674 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: You're kidding me. 675 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I was just kind of wanting to experience 676 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 4: the movie again in my mind before bed. 677 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: You Transcrip drived legally Blonde in your journal. 678 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 4: Yes, as much as I could remember it, and so 679 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 4: it was like perfect day by Hoku is playing blonde hair. 680 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 4: We followed down, yeah, and so there was that. I 681 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 4: love you literally so much. 682 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: Meant to be here right now. It is so cute, 683 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: e Lean. 684 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 2: So your wildest dreams have come true. Ellwoods picked your 685 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 2: book for her book club, and you're making your debut 686 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 2: as a director with an adaptation of one of the 687 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 2: most popular romance writers out right. Now, what are you 688 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 2: most proud of? With all the success? 689 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 4: I feel like I am a little superstitious about calling 690 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 4: it success because we don't know, guys. 691 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 2: I mean, let's call it. Let's call it like it 692 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 2: is an absolutely success. 693 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 4: I listened to your Michelle Kwan episode and somebody said 694 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 4: something about I didn't come this far, yeah, just to 695 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 4: come this far, and that is kind of how I feel. 696 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't know that I would define this 697 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 4: as success, and this all feels like part of the journey. 698 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 4: What am I proud of? 699 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: Though? 700 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 3: I have been working on. 701 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,760 Speaker 4: Feeling my feelings more because I grew up in an 702 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 4: immigrant household. And I don't blame my parents for this 703 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 4: at all, because they came from like such a totally 704 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 4: different world than me. But I don't think there was 705 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 4: a culture of sitting with our feelings. It was always 706 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 4: let's focus on what needs to be done, and emotions 707 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 4: often were seen as something that would get in the 708 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 4: way of being effective. For a very long time, I 709 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,839 Speaker 4: feel like I was very removed from my body, from 710 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,280 Speaker 4: my emotions. I didn't really know how I felt about anything. 711 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 4: So I think maybe the thing I am proudest of 712 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,919 Speaker 4: is I am sitting with those emotions a lot more 713 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 4: throughout this process. Right now, for instance, I feel anxious 714 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 4: in their books and also joy. 715 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,720 Speaker 1: Well, we are both so excited to see the success 716 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 1: of this and also all that is to come for you. 717 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: So thank you so much for joining us on the 718 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: bright side. Brought a lot of sunshine to us today. 719 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 2: Sunshine and laughter and legally blonde references. 720 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 3: Ah, I love that. Thank you so much for having me. 721 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: Yuline Kwang is the author of the may Reese's book 722 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: Club pick How to End a Love Story. Check it 723 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: out wherever you get your books. 724 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 2: We'll be announcing the June pick for Reese's book Club 725 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 2: next week, so don't miss it, and you can only 726 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 2: send us your Reese's book Club questions to Hello at 727 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 2: the brightsidepodcast dot com. 728 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,720 Speaker 1: That's it for today's show. Tomorrow, Award winning comedian, actor 729 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: and producer Alana Glazer is here to talk about her 730 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 1: new movie Babes. 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