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<v Speaker 1>This is like a virgin the show where we give

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<v Speaker 1>keep that good Morning Angels Charlie. Wait, so I'm Charlie

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<v Speaker 1>but scenario Yeah, but in the reboot, Charlie is a girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Know when the reboot, Bosley is a girl. Oh it's Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 1>Well we'll get to that. Yeah, we will get to

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<v Speaker 1>the bad Charlie's Angels reboot, but we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the good Charlie's Angels reboots, reboots, reboots, the House

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<v Speaker 1>Down Reboots House Down, starring Cameron Diaz, Lucy lu and

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<v Speaker 1>Drew Barrymore. Literally, the girls, the girl, not the dolls,

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<v Speaker 1>but the girls. You're about to say the dolls. They

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<v Speaker 1>are the dolls, and that There were a series of

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<v Speaker 1>dolls that were released when Charlie's Angels became a culture phenomena,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, and I definitely had to buy them in

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<v Speaker 1>secret and keep them in a shoebox in my closet.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't allowed to have dolls. That was like me

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<v Speaker 1>with the season six box set of Will and Grace,

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<v Speaker 1>I had to hide back to season six specifically I owned.

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<v Speaker 1>I owned no other seasons. It was just the one

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<v Speaker 1>that was on sale at borders. I think that is

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<v Speaker 1>such a great depiction of our like hit and queerness

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<v Speaker 1>of children. We're actually doing this episode because during our

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<v Speaker 1>come Dump episode someone said we should do Charlie's and

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<v Speaker 1>we thought that that actually deserved its own full episode.

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<v Speaker 1>So absolutely here we are. Don't ever say absolutely again.

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<v Speaker 1>So here we were to talk about it because this

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<v Speaker 1>is like a Virgin the show where we give yesterday's pops.

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<v Speaker 1>This is like a virgin show. Oh my god, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to get through it because this is like a

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<v Speaker 1>Virgin the show where were Fred. I need you to

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<v Speaker 1>leave the room getting this intro. This is like a

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<v Speaker 1>Virgin the show we give yesterday's pop culture, today's takes.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ros damn you and I'm and I'm fr in

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<v Speaker 1>Toronto and we are Independent Women Part sixty nine. Absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>and very absolute. I get to say absolutely will kill you.

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<v Speaker 1>I was finally granted something I've been wishing for for

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<v Speaker 1>months or years, because that's how long it seems that

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<v Speaker 1>the current season of Drag Race has been on. Finally

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<v Speaker 1>we got a double elimination, although I still could have

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<v Speaker 1>used a triple. Yeah, I mean a triple would have

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<v Speaker 1>been Landmark TV. And I also still think they all

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<v Speaker 1>should be eliminated. Yes, of course, of course, and including

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<v Speaker 1>Willow Hill, including Willow. Wow, I mean listen, I actually

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<v Speaker 1>thought her performance on this episode was good enough. I

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<v Speaker 1>honestly felt like this like wasn't really the episode for

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<v Speaker 1>a double elimination, Like I kind of felt like Georgia

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<v Speaker 1>was terrible but tried and maybe should have been safe.

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<v Speaker 1>But like the roasts are always just you know, unwatchable. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think the double elimination we're supposed to understand

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<v Speaker 1>is just like a consequence of the chocolate bar. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>of course they got to get them out somehow, because

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<v Speaker 1>they keep talking about like, oh my god, we're almost

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<v Speaker 1>at the end and there's still twelve of them left.

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<v Speaker 1>I love how even the queens, in a very meta

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<v Speaker 1>element of the show, are like when are these girls

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<v Speaker 1>going to get eliminated? Like even the queens are frustrated that,

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<v Speaker 1>like the girl four years, it's been eighty four years,

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<v Speaker 1>but alas we now have two eliminations. Wait, who even

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<v Speaker 1>won this life? It wasn't Willow who won this challenge?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh Bosco? Who? Yeah? Was fine? The best was the

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<v Speaker 1>best roast? Truly, Like a roast is not my well,

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<v Speaker 1>if we're talking about a roast honey um, a Sunday

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<v Speaker 1>roast in you know, London, England. Absolutely, get me the

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<v Speaker 1>Yorkshire pudding, get me the blood sausage. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>eat all of it um with a Scotch egg on

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<v Speaker 1>the side. No, I do not like roast challenges. I

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<v Speaker 1>think none of these girls are usually very funny. I

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<v Speaker 1>also want to know what they are not allowed to say,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, no one made a fracking joke. I

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<v Speaker 1>know that would certainly be my first thing. I'm curious

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<v Speaker 1>to know, like what material is cleared and what you

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<v Speaker 1>have to improvise because when we think of in drag Race,

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<v Speaker 1>hisstory the worst roast of all time, which was queen like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no I just forgot about Utica, which I would

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<v Speaker 1>like to go back to, and we'll go back to

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as we finished. God, okay, drag Race will

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<v Speaker 1>end eventually, and as soon as it does, three more

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<v Speaker 1>seasons will start. It's it's truly like the hydra um

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<v Speaker 1>of of of Greek mythology. One is defeated and three

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<v Speaker 1>more spring from its head, speaking of something that honestly

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<v Speaker 1>last way too long for its own good. The Grammys

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<v Speaker 1>were the last night as of the day of this recording,

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<v Speaker 1>all alleges have seen no proof that they happened. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I still at the first I heard that they were

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<v Speaker 1>happening was like when we were still in the thick

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<v Speaker 1>of the slap discourse this week, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no way that there's another big award show happening

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<v Speaker 1>this week, and according to you, it is true. I

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<v Speaker 1>still I still um am suspicious. Yes, I'll give you

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<v Speaker 1>um maybe at least one highlight, which is that Doja

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<v Speaker 1>and Sissa an Award for kiss Me More, which is

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<v Speaker 1>like I think pop level, and it was Doja's first Grammy,

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<v Speaker 1>and Dojo was late to her receiving of the Grammy

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<v Speaker 1>because she was taking up his, and so she ran

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<v Speaker 1>on stage and got up to the mic and was like,

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<v Speaker 1>that was like the fastest piss I've ever taken in

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<v Speaker 1>my entire life. And it's so funny because as Sissa

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<v Speaker 1>was like ascending the stage, like Gaga like pulled out

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<v Speaker 1>her train for her and like arranged her train, there

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<v Speaker 1>was like just a big, weird celebrity energy around this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, it was like the most Gaga, like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just a subservient, like humble actress, like you know whatever, um,

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<v Speaker 1>but like it was this big explosive moment um that

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<v Speaker 1>just made Doja like so so adorable. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>also just as a clip, like a complete emotional roller

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<v Speaker 1>coaster because you're like, siss, it's going up, where's Doja? Wait?

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on? Doja so funny? And then Scissors says something,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Doja just bursts into tears and like crumbles

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<v Speaker 1>on stage and a really artful and beautiful way. It

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<v Speaker 1>made me so happy for her as an artist, as

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<v Speaker 1>someone who is like so genuinely herself. That song produced

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<v Speaker 1>by Dr Luke probably probably um but anyways, I I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciated it as like maybe a key moment from the night.

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<v Speaker 1>Along with a few Gaga performances, she performed Yes, She

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<v Speaker 1>performed for her album Love for Sale with Tony Bennett.

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<v Speaker 1>She did this song. It was more of like a

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<v Speaker 1>slow tribute that like played images of Tony Bennett in

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<v Speaker 1>the background as if it was like in Memoriam. Even

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<v Speaker 1>though I gotta see this, I think we might need

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<v Speaker 1>to do a live reaction right now. Let me go

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<v Speaker 1>to pop Crave No, it'll be there. It's funny. It's

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<v Speaker 1>an in memorium even though Tony Bennett is still alive,

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<v Speaker 1>still alive, but it's like an in memoriam of like, oh, Tony,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't perform anymore, but I can. Oh. Here pictures

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<v Speaker 1>of her with little nots X love. Here's a little

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<v Speaker 1>clip of her grooving to Justin Bieber. She was really

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<v Speaker 1>doing a lot of the Grammys, wasn't She was getting

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<v Speaker 1>selfies for everyone. Okay, Okay, here I found I found it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just watching the whole thing. It's a two minutes long.

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<v Speaker 1>It's giving a little Yeah, she and Kim should do

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<v Speaker 1>an album together. Okay, this is I mean, it's good,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's also kind of like because it's at the Grammys,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, Mom, why are you embarrassing me? Yeah? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I love how much energy she put into it. And

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<v Speaker 1>I also just I mean, I just like, lol, I

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<v Speaker 1>was stoned when I watched her last night, so I

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<v Speaker 1>was like lolling the whole way through. I just love

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<v Speaker 1>how emphatic and like just Billy is a stan um.

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<v Speaker 1>In terms of the fashions from last night, I mean, Oskaga,

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<v Speaker 1>like we've seen before, she's giving like classic Hollywood stars

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<v Speaker 1>wearing Tiffany blue because you know, she's like a Tiffany

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<v Speaker 1>ambassador or whatever. I'm not sure if you saw Biber

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<v Speaker 1>wore this like oversized Balencia. Yeah, it was. It was

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<v Speaker 1>you know, giving like I shop in the big and

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<v Speaker 1>tall section. The tailoring was like not right. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of looks on TikTok and that was one

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<v Speaker 1>of them. It's it's I mean, it's fine. It's no

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<v Speaker 1>Gaga oversized sup moment. That's what I was gonna say.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Gaga had what he wanted. And then Billy

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<v Speaker 1>kind of wore a better version of what she wore

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<v Speaker 1>to the Oscars. Like I loved her garment, but it

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<v Speaker 1>also just looked a lot like what she wore to

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<v Speaker 1>the Oscars in terms of like shape and vibe. I

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<v Speaker 1>saw Crew Crazy Tigan's huge pink gown. It's like, Babe,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the Grammys. This is not the Oscars, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're not invited to the Oscars. And also fashion is

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<v Speaker 1>having a moment with this, like think pink like this

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<v Speaker 1>this funny because of that Valentino where they did all

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<v Speaker 1>pink yes, and like a lot of these girls are

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<v Speaker 1>wearing fuchia on the red carpet and I just like,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is just my personal taste, but I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't like this kind of pink. But you know

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<v Speaker 1>who did show all the way up on the red

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<v Speaker 1>carpet was Joni Mitchell mother. She was yes, she presented

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<v Speaker 1>an a word and she looked stunning. You should google

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<v Speaker 1>her outfit. It's very cute. This beret so cute. She's

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<v Speaker 1>so cute. Oh my god, I love her. Okay, have

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<v Speaker 1>you been listening to anything fun this weekend? Music wise

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<v Speaker 1>this weekend? I on Saturday Saturday morning, I was finishing

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<v Speaker 1>a book and listened to Image and Heat for three hours,

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<v Speaker 1>which like, send help, but this is Image and Heat.

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<v Speaker 1>Playlist on Spotify has a lot of the music from

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<v Speaker 1>the Harry Potter play because I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 1>know that she did all the music for it. Wait

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<v Speaker 1>I did not know that. Yeah, so skip a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of that. Oh god, that sounds. I had no idea

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<v Speaker 1>that she did the Harry Potter musical Secrets of Dumbledore

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<v Speaker 1>in theaters next Friday. Oh my god, we will be

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<v Speaker 1>at the theater, maybe there with poppers, with Poppers in

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<v Speaker 1>full costume. You'll be just as s as Rita Skeeter.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god. Um, Okay, I was listening to the you

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<v Speaker 1>imagining yourself in full Skeeter Gar Skeeter Gar. But maybe

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I should start wearing. Gonna go into the

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<v Speaker 1>office is just rita Skeeter Cosway now, so it would work? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>oh oh yeah, it absolutely would. You'd have to go

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<v Speaker 1>even blonder, I feel, but the horn rimmed glasses. I

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<v Speaker 1>do want to get new glasses. Um, what have you

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<v Speaker 1>been listening to? I listened to Miley's live album that

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<v Speaker 1>she released. Oh how was that? It was a complete

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<v Speaker 1>and utter surprise. I loved it like I had. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you a Miley Girl? Not really? I have like a

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<v Speaker 1>huge love for her as a vocalist. I think her

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<v Speaker 1>her voice is so beautiful and singular, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel like there's a lot of people doing what

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<v Speaker 1>she does as a rock vocalist. Um, but I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>thoroughly consume all of Miley's discography like I I mean, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the Malibu album. No, it's the Malibu album. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm a I'm a sucker. I met arguably her

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<v Speaker 1>worst album. See. But here's the thing, though, is and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't necessarily I would never claim that

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<v Speaker 1>this is like Miley's best era or Miley's best genre,

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<v Speaker 1>but as an artist of many genres who is typically

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<v Speaker 1>thought of as a pop artist, first, I do love

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<v Speaker 1>when she goes super hard on rock and country, and like,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's why I loved Younger. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that definitely. I think was her going back to her

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<v Speaker 1>country roots after being scorned from society and then Plastic Hearts,

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<v Speaker 1>the album that she released in I think like she

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<v Speaker 1>finally figured out who she is as an artist, like,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is rock and roll. I completely and totally agree.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm kind of I mean, I want Miley to

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<v Speaker 1>be whatever she wants to be, but I'm like praying

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<v Speaker 1>that she stays like in this kind of like rock

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<v Speaker 1>pop hybrid because does she does she revisit any of

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<v Speaker 1>her like does she on the live album? Does she

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<v Speaker 1>revisit like bangers stuff through that lens? Yes? She does,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's kind of like what made the the live

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<v Speaker 1>album as a whole so satisfying to me. Apparently, she

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<v Speaker 1>constructed the track list of this concert with her fans,

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<v Speaker 1>so the track list comprised of like all of her

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<v Speaker 1>most requested or most beloved covers or songs, and so

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you get bangers and um Wrecking Ball Party

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<v Speaker 1>in the USA, but you also get Edge of seventeen

0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:14.280
<v Speaker 1>Janice Joplin's Maybe, which is my favorite track on the

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<v Speaker 1>live out. Did she do the Climb? She did do

0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.680
<v Speaker 1>the Climb? Oh my god. The Climb is the song

0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:23.200
<v Speaker 1>that if it comes on while I'm driving, it's like

0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:27.360
<v Speaker 1>the volume goes up, the windows go up, and I

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<v Speaker 1>do a full Grammy nominated performance. I love the Climb

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<v Speaker 1>so much. Did she do See You Again? She did? So.

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<v Speaker 1>She did really good um, for lack of a better term,

0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:41.920
<v Speaker 1>mash ups or rather like two like this half and

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<v Speaker 1>half songs where the song was one half bang bang

0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:50.240
<v Speaker 1>allah and and it started out as like bang bang

0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:52.400
<v Speaker 1>I Shot You Down, and then it went into see

0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:55.000
<v Speaker 1>You Again, which was like so well done. And she

0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:57.800
<v Speaker 1>also did a kind of mashup of Wrecking Ball and

0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:03.040
<v Speaker 1>Shanat O'Connor's nothing Come Hairs to You. Seven Things, Yes, God,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. I love Seven Things, Joline. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that Jolene covered that she did I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>itself by Southwest. Like that to me is like what

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<v Speaker 1>I remember as the moment that like truly decontextualized Miley

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<v Speaker 1>from being Hannah Montana. I think more more even than

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<v Speaker 1>like the like tongue out like the like I truly think,

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<v Speaker 1>at least maybe not in more mainstream pop culture, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think for people who pay attention to the Internet,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the moment when we were like, oh, right, like

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<v Speaker 1>she's actually talented, Yeah exactly, and like, you know, Miley

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<v Speaker 1>is always going to be the tongue out like artists

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<v Speaker 1>that does things like solely for shock value. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think her love of like artistic shock value is because

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<v Speaker 1>she's such a student of pop and of old school

0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:59.480
<v Speaker 1>rock artists that thrived on shock value in like a

0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:04.800
<v Speaker 1>pre ancelo culture era did Like a Prayer. Her cover

0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:10.040
<v Speaker 1>of Like a Prayer literally brought a tear to my eye.

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<v Speaker 1>I am not joking. I was in my car smoking

0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:17.640
<v Speaker 1>and bibing out and like tearing up because it's so

0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:19.960
<v Speaker 1>soulful and well done in terms of like the truck

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<v Speaker 1>lists as a whole. Like Unfortunately, though I liked a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of it, her rendition of Bangers is maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>least interesting kind of reinterpretation of her songs. It's like

0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:34.800
<v Speaker 1>a little messy and all over the place, but her,

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<v Speaker 1>but four by four, which starts out with this like

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<v Speaker 1>really hard and fast country drumline, is so like I

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<v Speaker 1>was just in it. That was the moment where I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I am in this live album and like

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<v Speaker 1>as a whole belonged to me, belonged to like a

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<v Speaker 1>cannon of live albums that you know, we went on

0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:59.320
<v Speaker 1>to love, like Joni Mitchell's like Mile of Aisles, or

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<v Speaker 1>Um the Rolling Stones live album, Madonna's Confessions Tour live

0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:07.480
<v Speaker 1>album exactly, which is, like, you know, one of miley

0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:10.159
<v Speaker 1>stavorite artists. I I definitely need to listen to it,

0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:13.879
<v Speaker 1>like right after this. I honestly, Miley is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite girls. I have consistently really liked

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<v Speaker 1>every era of her music. I think that, like, even

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<v Speaker 1>though I'm not necessarily as familiar as you are with

0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:31.960
<v Speaker 1>with Miley's, this kind of compilation really solidified for me

0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:34.879
<v Speaker 1>the same thing that she is like definitely one of

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<v Speaker 1>my girls. Like I understood like the ethos behind her

0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:42.359
<v Speaker 1>music so much more by way of the rock that

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<v Speaker 1>she loves. And I felt like in this album specifically

0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:50.560
<v Speaker 1>that her vocals and the way she did every song,

0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:54.120
<v Speaker 1>which every single song has produced like a classic rock song.

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<v Speaker 1>I did feel all of the ways that she is

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<v Speaker 1>in the legacy of you know, rock artists like Jane

0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:05.879
<v Speaker 1>Jet or whatever the rolling. It's also amazing that she's

0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:09.320
<v Speaker 1>been so prolific that at such a young age. I mean,

0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:11.560
<v Speaker 1>obviously she started out very young, but that at such

0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.720
<v Speaker 1>a young age now she can look back at her

0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:18.040
<v Speaker 1>discography and do something like this. And you know, we

0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:20.760
<v Speaker 1>see people I think revisit their old work a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think figuring out the right lens for it

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<v Speaker 1>once you've, as Miley has done, found the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>feels the most like real to who she is. It's

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<v Speaker 1>cool to then see her go look back at her

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<v Speaker 1>you know, very long career and reinterpret it with this

0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:43.359
<v Speaker 1>new understanding of who she is as an artist and

0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:46.199
<v Speaker 1>exactly and she says something to that effect on the

0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:49.639
<v Speaker 1>live album They have like her concert banter in the

0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:52.480
<v Speaker 1>album as well, and like she talks about how she's

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<v Speaker 1>had to try on so many different identities and obviously

0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:58.439
<v Speaker 1>Miley has made her fair share of mistakes and like

0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:01.560
<v Speaker 1>the cultural appropriation of it all all and others, but

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<v Speaker 1>every woman in music has to reinvent themselves like every

0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:07.840
<v Speaker 1>other year, Like it's just it's a product of the

0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:11.000
<v Speaker 1>oppression and a product of you know, usually women having

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<v Speaker 1>to come up when they're extremely young and still figuring

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<v Speaker 1>out who they are. So I'm happy to see where

0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Miley has arrived, and I don't know, that just made

0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:20.880
<v Speaker 1>me love her a whole lot. Same so I saw

0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:25.399
<v Speaker 1>on TikTok someone who I follow, Sativa Diva, who is

0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:28.200
<v Speaker 1>really funny. You should check them out, talking about art

0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:33.080
<v Speaker 1>Flag Means Death, which is a new comedy pirate show

0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:37.520
<v Speaker 1>on Atrio Max. I would say that it's like falling

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<v Speaker 1>into place with a lot of these other historical retellings

0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:46.640
<v Speaker 1>that have like contemporary humor and dialogue. What I had

0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:49.719
<v Speaker 1>heard was that it was very gay, and so I

0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:52.840
<v Speaker 1>was like, Okay, I can either do my quarterly rewatch

0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:55.520
<v Speaker 1>the Pirates of the Caribbean, or I could, you know,

0:19:55.720 --> 0:20:01.439
<v Speaker 1>try out like half hour series about gay pirates. I

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<v Speaker 1>watched the first episode. I thought it was fine. I

0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:09.320
<v Speaker 1>just wasn't that interested. Maybe we'll we'll give it like

0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:13.359
<v Speaker 1>another episode or two to get me interested. I don't know.

0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:17.600
<v Speaker 1>I watched the first fifteen minutes or so before my

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<v Speaker 1>takeout arrived, but I I appreciated the humor. It felt

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<v Speaker 1>very smart to me. It reminded me of like the

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<v Speaker 1>British Office or like a kind of I don't know,

0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:33.080
<v Speaker 1>like almost like a mumble core comedy. It's a little

0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:37.080
<v Speaker 1>Flight of the Conchords, know, yeah, but that the humor

0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:40.359
<v Speaker 1>is clearly very smart, and I liked that that humor

0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:44.440
<v Speaker 1>is in place in a period drama about pirates. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't immediately grab me. Maybe because there are no stars,

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<v Speaker 1>well no women and no women, Oh my god, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even notice. But that says a lot about me,

0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:58.399
<v Speaker 1>No doesn't it does because you don't see women. I don't,

0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:01.320
<v Speaker 1>well women shouldn't you us right now are looking at

0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:04.239
<v Speaker 1>a floating pair of headphones. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And

0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:06.760
<v Speaker 1>Mike that's it. But yeah, I mean, we should watch

0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:21.800
<v Speaker 1>the second episode together. I think it's it's not an

0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:25.880
<v Speaker 1>understatement to say that Charlie the first Charlie's Angels, which

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<v Speaker 1>the year two thousand, which is really started the new

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<v Speaker 1>Millennia literally, and he was a bomb shell of early

0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:39.360
<v Speaker 1>odds culture in a crazy way, an explosion, especially especially

0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:41.840
<v Speaker 1>since which I didn't realize this until after. So I

0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:45.680
<v Speaker 1>watched both films in quarantine for the first time. Basically

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<v Speaker 1>I have loose memories of seeing it in the background.

0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:51.560
<v Speaker 1>My mom and sister watched it and really loved it. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But they went and saw it without me, I think

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<v Speaker 1>in theaters the first time because you weren't allowed because

0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:58.080
<v Speaker 1>I was like not or they were just like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>girl time and I was like sand on girls. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But like it literally was a a landmark moment in

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<v Speaker 1>early odds culture and encapsulates so many things that were

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<v Speaker 1>like important to the early Odds, like with the Well.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, it was directed by mcge which I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't realize who was the director of like smash Mouth

0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:25.359
<v Speaker 1>music videos and corn famous music video director, which is

0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:28.800
<v Speaker 1>like also you know, very early odds culture. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think without Charlie's angels, Like without Charlie's angels, we don't

0:22:33.080 --> 0:22:36.640
<v Speaker 1>get things like we don't get juicy guitar. No, we

0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:39.640
<v Speaker 1>don't get the simple life. Honestly, all three of these

0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:43.800
<v Speaker 1>women they were already stars, but they ascended in this movie.

0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:49.000
<v Speaker 1>This is what turned them into They were actresses. This

0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:52.399
<v Speaker 1>made them stars. This made them stars. It made them

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<v Speaker 1>household names. I mean, they were already stars, but it

0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:57.400
<v Speaker 1>was like almost like ascension into like a list. They

0:22:57.400 --> 0:22:59.960
<v Speaker 1>were like they were like the actress version of the

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<v Speaker 1>Spice Girls. Yeah. And also like, I mean the Destiny's

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<v Speaker 1>Child in this movie Independent Woman Part one Wow, And

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<v Speaker 1>that the music video isn't the Destiny's Child music video

0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:14.520
<v Speaker 1>Charlie's Angels themed, or like, well, I mean the music

0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:17.000
<v Speaker 1>the song was written for the movie. But this was

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<v Speaker 1>back in the day when I like that, like the

0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:25.520
<v Speaker 1>song that was packaged with the movie was important in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that wasn't just like Oscar Baby, Um, and

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<v Speaker 1>I will okay, I guess to back up, like um,

0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:34.440
<v Speaker 1>for the Virgin, we're getting ahead of our We're getting

0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:36.600
<v Speaker 1>ahead of ourselves, are get ahead ourselves? Are just so excited,

0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:39.800
<v Speaker 1>so excited for the Virgins. You know, the plot of

0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:42.639
<v Speaker 1>these movies are actually not that important. Well, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>maybe let's let's even before that set the cultural context

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<v Speaker 1>of Charlie. The Charlie's Angels film franchise, which started in

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<v Speaker 1>the year two thousand, was a movie reboot of the

0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:56.679
<v Speaker 1>classics seventies TV show Charlie's Angels about a trio of

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<v Speaker 1>superspy women. Super spy women. They're basically like a trio

0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:04.760
<v Speaker 1>of privately owned like Lady Cops. Let's not say that

0:24:04.800 --> 0:24:08.520
<v Speaker 1>they're owned. They are literally owned by Charlie. Hen work

0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:11.640
<v Speaker 1>for him. No, they literally are owned by him. This

0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:13.479
<v Speaker 1>movie is I mean, we'll get into it. We'll get

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<v Speaker 1>into it. Actually. So it's about a trio of women

0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:19.800
<v Speaker 1>who work for a man named Charlie who they do

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<v Speaker 1>not know. He only communicates with them through a voice

0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:28.080
<v Speaker 1>box and his proxy Bosley, and they solve crimes through

0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:35.040
<v Speaker 1>use of like gadgetry and disguises, lots of sony and

0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:38.879
<v Speaker 1>the hallmark of the original series, which I've actually never seen,

0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:43.879
<v Speaker 1>was they used guns, but in the rebooted movies they

0:24:43.920 --> 0:24:48.440
<v Speaker 1>only use their fists and their wits. It's full handhand come,

0:24:48.560 --> 0:24:51.520
<v Speaker 1>lots of kicking and the court. The fight corio is

0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:54.520
<v Speaker 1>amazing in this movie, like and also a lot. They

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<v Speaker 1>all did a lot of their own stunts like they

0:24:56.920 --> 0:25:00.840
<v Speaker 1>were they were on wires down. It was this was

0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:05.920
<v Speaker 1>like Matrix. I think this is because Matrix right after,

0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:09.359
<v Speaker 1>So this is definitely a post Matrix movie. Um, it

0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:12.520
<v Speaker 1>was spoofing Matrix in this in both movies, I don't

0:25:12.520 --> 0:25:17.000
<v Speaker 1>think it was. It was like in conversation, it references

0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:20.359
<v Speaker 1>moments from the Matrix, But I don't think it's spoofing it.

0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:24.520
<v Speaker 1>There are moments that lift tropes from the Matrix and

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<v Speaker 1>put them into the Charlie's Angels movies in a in

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<v Speaker 1>a very knowing way. It's supposed to be like that,

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<v Speaker 1>I think. I think it's like more that it is

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<v Speaker 1>happening in the same time of film history, and it's

0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:42.439
<v Speaker 1>like lifting literally like the way they were doing special

0:25:42.440 --> 0:25:45.800
<v Speaker 1>effects at the time, Like the Matrix was the peak

0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:48.240
<v Speaker 1>of what we had in terms of like c G I,

0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:52.000
<v Speaker 1>and this is maybe like a filtered down version and

0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:55.280
<v Speaker 1>following the Matrix, everyone wanted to be like the Matrix.

0:25:55.560 --> 0:25:58.560
<v Speaker 1>Like everyone wanted action scenes like the Matrix. Everyone wanted

0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:01.040
<v Speaker 1>to like be that. So yeah, that makes sense. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's give like a basic plot overview. Although I think

0:26:04.600 --> 0:26:07.639
<v Speaker 1>these movies are more about vibes than plot. These movies

0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:11.040
<v Speaker 1>are really disinterested in plot, and also like just rules

0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:13.480
<v Speaker 1>of conflict are like totally thrown out the window, Like

0:26:13.520 --> 0:26:17.200
<v Speaker 1>they abandoned plots fully. It's like about jokes, which I

0:26:17.240 --> 0:26:20.760
<v Speaker 1>really appreciate actually, um, but yeah, the first movie, Bosley

0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:23.080
<v Speaker 1>basically briefs the girls and he's like, there's this tech

0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:26.639
<v Speaker 1>bro and his technology was stolen. You have to like

0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:29.680
<v Speaker 1>rescue him and then figure out where his technology was stolen.

0:26:30.040 --> 0:26:32.320
<v Speaker 1>And they guess at the very beginning that it's this

0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:36.199
<v Speaker 1>like evil girl who's like his accomplice or whatever, and

0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:38.440
<v Speaker 1>they guessed right, and she ends up kind of being

0:26:39.359 --> 0:26:42.560
<v Speaker 1>the bad girl along with she's kind of like she's

0:26:42.600 --> 0:26:45.600
<v Speaker 1>like a side character. I would not say she's the villain.

0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:48.480
<v Speaker 1>She is. She her and her and there are in

0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:52.680
<v Speaker 1>a romantic relationship, but she's like she's an accomplice. She's not.

0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:56.359
<v Speaker 1>She's not the girl in the way that that you know,

0:26:56.560 --> 0:27:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Demi Moore is the girl in se That's true, that's sure. Yeah,

0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:03.439
<v Speaker 1>she's a little secondary um, but yeah. And then and

0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:06.959
<v Speaker 1>then the plot that follows is really actually like completely nonsensical.

0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:10.800
<v Speaker 1>They just basically like fight and seduce men over and

0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:14.800
<v Speaker 1>over again to kind of find these little clues along

0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:17.840
<v Speaker 1>the way before they, you know, it becomes known to

0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:20.520
<v Speaker 1>them that they're being set up and the whole the

0:27:20.600 --> 0:27:24.399
<v Speaker 1>whole mission was a set up to find Charlie and

0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:26.639
<v Speaker 1>kill him. Yes, and I would say it's not so

0:27:26.720 --> 0:27:30.880
<v Speaker 1>much a seduction as a titilation. Um. They definitely they

0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:36.639
<v Speaker 1>weaponize their sensuality more than their sexuality, you know, I

0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:40.240
<v Speaker 1>think let's let's start with that because I want I'm

0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:44.080
<v Speaker 1>not sure. I'm not sure about like I feel like

0:27:44.200 --> 0:27:48.399
<v Speaker 1>this movie. Um well, okay, I'll ask you first. What

0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:53.040
<v Speaker 1>is your relationship to Charlie's Angels aside from the dolls? Yeah,

0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:55.160
<v Speaker 1>well I loved I saw the movies when they came out,

0:27:55.280 --> 0:28:00.760
<v Speaker 1>loved them, was like consumed everything I could about them. Um,

0:28:00.920 --> 0:28:03.439
<v Speaker 1>you know they are I think of this era some

0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:06.600
<v Speaker 1>of my favorite movies. Yeah, and the movies that are

0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:11.480
<v Speaker 1>like horrendously problematic and yet you will rewatch them over

0:28:11.520 --> 0:28:14.400
<v Speaker 1>and over again, like they really are in my opinion

0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:17.679
<v Speaker 1>that good, having as someone who watched them recently, not

0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:20.280
<v Speaker 1>really like at the time they came out. They're very

0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:24.040
<v Speaker 1>of their time, yes, yeah yeah, um, But like on

0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:26.879
<v Speaker 1>the sensuality of it all, it's really interesting because the

0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:33.280
<v Speaker 1>original seventies show was like, you know, the the biggest

0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:35.360
<v Speaker 1>the reason it was such a hit, or the first

0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:38.320
<v Speaker 1>season was a hit until fair Face that left it, Um,

0:28:38.560 --> 0:28:41.880
<v Speaker 1>was because it was just like women and like scantily

0:28:41.880 --> 0:28:45.600
<v Speaker 1>clad clothing, solving crimes and stuff like that, and like

0:28:45.720 --> 0:28:49.200
<v Speaker 1>their whole like it actually was a part of like

0:28:49.240 --> 0:28:52.720
<v Speaker 1>an era of what they called jiggle television, which is

0:28:52.760 --> 0:28:56.760
<v Speaker 1>like The Bay Watches and The Wonder Woman's of the World,

0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 1>where like it was just like watching women in like

0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:01.920
<v Speaker 1>tight clothing, you know, jump around in like solve crimes

0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:05.160
<v Speaker 1>or whatever or like be kind of badasses and I

0:29:05.440 --> 0:29:09.200
<v Speaker 1>And so when they redid it in two thousand, they

0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:13.600
<v Speaker 1>kind of almost like they really borrowed from that that

0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:16.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of like that part of the appeal and then

0:29:16.520 --> 0:29:20.360
<v Speaker 1>made it kind of like self aware and funny and

0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:24.880
<v Speaker 1>and weird at times, Like it's a very like Zany movie,

0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:26.800
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Like all three of them

0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:30.959
<v Speaker 1>are giving like cartoon totally. I think a lot of

0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:34.200
<v Speaker 1>reboots that we have today are really hard reboots where

0:29:34.240 --> 0:29:37.800
<v Speaker 1>they take the like essence of something but really place

0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:41.560
<v Speaker 1>it in the modern era. And I think what Charlie's

0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:45.120
<v Speaker 1>Angels did really well and that actually radiated out to

0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:51.040
<v Speaker 1>the culture was brought a very seventies sensibility along with

0:29:51.440 --> 0:29:53.960
<v Speaker 1>I guess like the framework of the story. And I

0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:57.880
<v Speaker 1>would say that Charlie's Angels kind of jump started like

0:29:58.240 --> 0:30:03.840
<v Speaker 1>a sort of seventies revive liable in pop culture that

0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:07.000
<v Speaker 1>we're now seeing again because of like the twenty or trendcycle.

0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Um like like this is kind of around the same

0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:18.120
<v Speaker 1>time as like Madonna's Um music albums Boston Powers era too. Yeah. Okay, yeah,

0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:21.920
<v Speaker 1>well that was like maybe that was more like late nineties,

0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:24.040
<v Speaker 1>but it's yeah, it's kind of all the same time,

0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:28.240
<v Speaker 1>and we're now also seeing that seventies revival happening now

0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:31.000
<v Speaker 1>in fashion and like kind of in music too. There's

0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:34.200
<v Speaker 1>something really interesting to me about like how the girls

0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:38.440
<v Speaker 1>like sexuality plays into the movie, and I think that

0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:44.440
<v Speaker 1>there is a big dissonance between what the writer's intents

0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:48.640
<v Speaker 1>were and how we actually consume it, you know, especially

0:30:48.640 --> 0:30:51.560
<v Speaker 1>in because this movie was written by three white guys,

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:55.560
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of the things that happened to the

0:30:55.600 --> 0:31:00.720
<v Speaker 1>girls are products of like a male imagination, like like

0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:03.200
<v Speaker 1>shaking your ass for no one and being like a

0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:05.480
<v Speaker 1>bimbo to like the mail guy being like, oh yeah,

0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 1>you can put the package in my slot, you know,

0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:11.480
<v Speaker 1>or like I mean, they're constantly naked for no reason.

0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:14.720
<v Speaker 1>There's like tons of like camera angles on their body

0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:19.000
<v Speaker 1>for no reason, and like and then a majority of

0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:21.920
<v Speaker 1>the steps that they take in the first movie to

0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:28.280
<v Speaker 1>solve the plot involve them seducing men or tricking them

0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:31.800
<v Speaker 1>into you know, like using their basically how hot they are.

0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:33.720
<v Speaker 1>What I mean when I say that, I think it's

0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:37.720
<v Speaker 1>more like like um sensuality than sexuality, And I don't

0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:40.360
<v Speaker 1>really see it a seduction. Is that Like, yes, I

0:31:40.400 --> 0:31:44.320
<v Speaker 1>agree that this movie very much like is the male

0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:47.880
<v Speaker 1>gaze is all over it, but it's like it's more

0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:51.360
<v Speaker 1>like bending over a car to show your tips than

0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:55.120
<v Speaker 1>like giving someone a lap dance. Like there there it

0:31:55.400 --> 0:32:00.240
<v Speaker 1>is like a very wink wink. It's horny, but I

0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:04.280
<v Speaker 1>don't think it fucks yeah, it's it's horny too comical degree,

0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:07.720
<v Speaker 1>like they these women are comedically hot, like the number

0:32:07.720 --> 0:32:09.640
<v Speaker 1>of times they like take off their helmet to like

0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:14.640
<v Speaker 1>swish their hair or whatever, like it's hilarious. And I think, actually,

0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:17.640
<v Speaker 1>like part of it is that these women are such

0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:22.560
<v Speaker 1>stars that like their charisma, unique servan talent kind of

0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:27.440
<v Speaker 1>overpowers the male gaze of the directors and the writers

0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:30.120
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. And what it is is they were

0:32:30.160 --> 0:32:32.080
<v Speaker 1>in on the joke. They were in on the joke

0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:34.960
<v Speaker 1>that like a lot of women in a way that

0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:37.640
<v Speaker 1>a lot of women in film don't always get to

0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:40.920
<v Speaker 1>be when the film is about the male gaze. Yeah,

0:32:41.000 --> 0:32:46.360
<v Speaker 1>and I think that they took what we're extremely underwritten characters, right,

0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Like the movie has like no brain And I don't

0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:51.480
<v Speaker 1>say that in a pejorative way, like I like no

0:32:51.600 --> 0:32:54.320
<v Speaker 1>brain culture. I love idiot culture, like I like consuming

0:32:54.320 --> 0:32:58.320
<v Speaker 1>movies that are that easy. But like I totally agree that,

0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:03.120
<v Speaker 1>like these women are so have nothing going on in

0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:05.840
<v Speaker 1>their inner lives and and then they all have like

0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:08.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, little dating montages where they have like boy problems.

0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:10.560
<v Speaker 1>I have nothing to do with the plot, but the

0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:14.840
<v Speaker 1>three stars in this movie fill in so many blanks

0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:19.160
<v Speaker 1>with their performances and with the like very like singular

0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:21.800
<v Speaker 1>and like totally off the cuff wacky things that they

0:33:21.800 --> 0:33:24.720
<v Speaker 1>do in terms of like acting choices that are just

0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:29.240
<v Speaker 1>like endlessly fun to watch, especially Drew. I mean, Cameron

0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:31.680
<v Speaker 1>is also just like such a cartoon but like Drew

0:33:31.720 --> 0:33:35.959
<v Speaker 1>to me is like the Cameron is. It's really funny

0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:38.920
<v Speaker 1>now looking back on it and the like who these

0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:42.840
<v Speaker 1>women are in pop culture now because Cameron is very

0:33:42.880 --> 0:33:46.880
<v Speaker 1>obviously the star of these movies, like she has the

0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:50.640
<v Speaker 1>center position. But I think because of these movies, like

0:33:50.880 --> 0:33:54.760
<v Speaker 1>these women all got on the like the same level

0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:58.800
<v Speaker 1>of fame after these movies, and it's just interesting to

0:33:58.800 --> 0:34:01.040
<v Speaker 1>see where their careers have gone now where, Like Cameron

0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:05.640
<v Speaker 1>ds doesn't act anymore. She has like a wine company.

0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:09.040
<v Speaker 1>M Drew is a talk show host. And Lucy does

0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:13.320
<v Speaker 1>TV TV and lesbian art. What does she do on TV?

0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:16.719
<v Speaker 1>She's on was on I don't know if it's still

0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:19.040
<v Speaker 1>on the air. She was on the Sherlock Holmes TV

0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:22.360
<v Speaker 1>show Elementary. Yes, but if you also just google Watson,

0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:25.240
<v Speaker 1>if you google like Lucy lou like painting or whatever

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:29.360
<v Speaker 1>she has, Like so she's several pieces of extremely sapphic

0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:32.919
<v Speaker 1>art and I love What I love about um these

0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:35.880
<v Speaker 1>movies is like these girls are best friends because of

0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:39.680
<v Speaker 1>them in a real way. And like when Drew launched

0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:43.719
<v Speaker 1>her TV show, they all reunited for an interview where

0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Cameron was like, c G, I'd in wait was she

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:50.760
<v Speaker 1>really was this pandemic times or something? Or oh that sucks?

0:34:51.120 --> 0:34:53.920
<v Speaker 1>I forgot about that. Yeah, I just I feel like,

0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:55.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't want to get into the reboot yet,

0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Like I mean the reboot reboot the Kristin Stewart one,

0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:00.560
<v Speaker 1>but like I think it's a lot of what that

0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:05.080
<v Speaker 1>one lacked is that these three women were arrived like stars,

0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 1>and then what they did with like a kind of

0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:14.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, very male. Script was like so sublime and

0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:17.560
<v Speaker 1>like completely I don't know, transformative, Like if we had

0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:20.160
<v Speaker 1>gotten different actresses, like if it had been Thanny Newton

0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:22.279
<v Speaker 1>instead of Lucy lu which is like I just like

0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:24.040
<v Speaker 1>it would have been different, you know what I mean.

0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Cameron Diaz, I mean like she played kind of a

0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:30.360
<v Speaker 1>very similar character. And the sweetest thing like this was

0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:33.600
<v Speaker 1>these were roles that were interesting to her that she

0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:36.319
<v Speaker 1>wanted to do something with and like Lucy Lou and

0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:40.439
<v Speaker 1>like something like um, kill Bill or whatever, Like she's

0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:43.520
<v Speaker 1>sucking smart and she knows like what she can do

0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:47.279
<v Speaker 1>with like a complex like role about a woman that

0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:49.319
<v Speaker 1>like you know, is like a badass or whatever. I

0:35:49.360 --> 0:35:53.080
<v Speaker 1>also said about something recently that um something was like

0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:58.160
<v Speaker 1>post Spice Girls, girl power, and like this movie is

0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:00.879
<v Speaker 1>very that And that's why they're in on the joke,

0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:04.160
<v Speaker 1>because this was a time in pop culture where there

0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:09.359
<v Speaker 1>was like a mainstream movement of female empowerment that was

0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:13.960
<v Speaker 1>like a little shallow um but still existed, and this

0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:29.719
<v Speaker 1>movie definitely feels like a byproduct of that. Even though

0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:32.200
<v Speaker 1>this was like one of the most successful movies of

0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:34.960
<v Speaker 1>the year. Two Bounds and like the movie was critically

0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:39.320
<v Speaker 1>like made fun of, like immensely, like people like I

0:36:39.440 --> 0:36:41.759
<v Speaker 1>knew it was very dumb, and I think that like

0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:44.120
<v Speaker 1>people liked to exactly what you said. I think people

0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:47.560
<v Speaker 1>caught onto that component of it, but we didn't care.

0:36:47.920 --> 0:36:51.800
<v Speaker 1>And I think that rewatching it now in there are

0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:53.759
<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of tropes in it that are

0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:57.480
<v Speaker 1>actually more resonant to the way we talk about and

0:36:57.600 --> 0:36:59.799
<v Speaker 1>enjoy things now. The things that we find funny are

0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:03.480
<v Speaker 1>somewhat even funnier now in terms of like I think

0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:07.919
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking specifically of the bimbo ifacation of like are

0:37:08.320 --> 0:37:12.080
<v Speaker 1>you know internet talk right now and how we're identifying

0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:15.439
<v Speaker 1>as bimbos on TikTok and on Instagram or whatever. We're

0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:19.840
<v Speaker 1>reclaiming this like kind of sexuality because it's like bimbo

0:37:19.960 --> 0:37:23.520
<v Speaker 1>for it's like bimbos for the consumption of bimbos, not

0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:26.799
<v Speaker 1>for the consumption of men. And so it almost is

0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:30.080
<v Speaker 1>like when you're watching this movie, they're not giving to

0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:32.279
<v Speaker 1>the performance to the men, you know what I mean,

0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:34.279
<v Speaker 1>Like that's kind of what it feels like. It's like

0:37:34.680 --> 0:37:38.040
<v Speaker 1>there's a zane nous too, especially someone like Drew Barrymore

0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:42.240
<v Speaker 1>in the movie where that doesn't feel sexy, it feels

0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:46.920
<v Speaker 1>knowingly comedic and like totally in her own kind of

0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:50.600
<v Speaker 1>like power. And I think it's also just like another

0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:54.520
<v Speaker 1>layer that they're exploiting the idiocy and horny nous of

0:37:54.600 --> 0:37:57.680
<v Speaker 1>men for their benefit, you know, like theyre they know

0:37:57.760 --> 0:38:00.520
<v Speaker 1>how to kind of like usurp the situation. It's it's

0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:02.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of like the perfect storm. Like I think the

0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:07.120
<v Speaker 1>planet's really aligned on this one, and if maybe one

0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:10.600
<v Speaker 1>thing had been off, it just would not have worked.

0:38:10.640 --> 0:38:14.719
<v Speaker 1>As like you kind of seeing the sequel, which, like

0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:18.680
<v Speaker 1>I love Charlie's Angels full throttle, it's definitely not as

0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:21.560
<v Speaker 1>good of a movie and it's like much more of

0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:25.839
<v Speaker 1>a so bad it's good kind of movie. Um. In

0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:30.440
<v Speaker 1>the sequel, you have Demi Moore as um, a fallen angel,

0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:32.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, she's like a former angel who turns out

0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:37.960
<v Speaker 1>to be the villain. And the I think it's just

0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:45.040
<v Speaker 1>um two it's like to self aware or no. I

0:38:45.080 --> 0:38:48.480
<v Speaker 1>think maybe like the first one is more self aware

0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:50.839
<v Speaker 1>and the second one is like buying into its own

0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:53.200
<v Speaker 1>bullshit a little bit. I think for me, it's like

0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:56.560
<v Speaker 1>there's an off the rails nous in the first movie

0:38:56.920 --> 0:39:00.080
<v Speaker 1>that was so rewarded that they kind of take it

0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:04.080
<v Speaker 1>too far. In the second movie, they really discard the

0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:08.560
<v Speaker 1>audiences intelligence, you know what I mean. It's like the

0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:11.319
<v Speaker 1>plot really doesn't matter. In the second one. You know

0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:14.440
<v Speaker 1>some I mean great visual moments like Demi Moore with

0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:18.840
<v Speaker 1>the surfboard is so hot. I've some great lines for

0:39:18.960 --> 0:39:22.160
<v Speaker 1>saying I was never good. I was great. Yeah, there

0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:23.680
<v Speaker 1>are a lot of good lines in both of the movies.

0:39:23.719 --> 0:39:25.560
<v Speaker 1>I remember one of I can't remember the name of

0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:27.520
<v Speaker 1>the villain lady in the first movie, but she says like,

0:39:27.880 --> 0:39:30.040
<v Speaker 1>don't send a man to do a woman's job. Like

0:39:30.080 --> 0:39:33.640
<v Speaker 1>they're just lots very like the the whole thing of

0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:37.640
<v Speaker 1>the movie. Yeah, I loved In the first movie, there's

0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:41.200
<v Speaker 1>this moment where Lucy is like, for some reason unknown

0:39:41.200 --> 0:39:43.719
<v Speaker 1>to me, there's a company that hires her as a

0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:48.080
<v Speaker 1>like an efficiency expert. When she walks into Baraco. Oh

0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:50.719
<v Speaker 1>my god, that is like one of the hottest things

0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:53.080
<v Speaker 1>that I've ever been captured on films. With the riding

0:39:53.120 --> 0:39:56.719
<v Speaker 1>crop and with Cameron Diaz Andrew Barrymore behind her in

0:39:56.920 --> 0:40:02.400
<v Speaker 1>Drag also early Melissa McCarthy McCarthy is is and not um.

0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:04.480
<v Speaker 1>She has like three lines. There's like a lot of

0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:07.759
<v Speaker 1>weird like um, you know, kind of pre famous people

0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:12.200
<v Speaker 1>like Shyla Buff's in the second one. Oh yeah, Crispin Glovers,

0:40:12.320 --> 0:40:18.720
<v Speaker 1>the weird the um Tim Curry was famous at the time,

0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:20.719
<v Speaker 1>but like he was in this, he was in the

0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:23.719
<v Speaker 1>first one also put post or like I guess this

0:40:23.760 --> 0:40:27.680
<v Speaker 1>was maybe during friends. Matt le Blanc, Ye, Matt la Honestly, Okay,

0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:30.160
<v Speaker 1>here's the thing. Actually, there are a lot of I

0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:34.120
<v Speaker 1>feel like Cameron Diaz, Matt le Blanc and Tim Curry

0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:37.600
<v Speaker 1>are like a great treat of like idiot culture movies.

0:40:37.640 --> 0:40:41.080
<v Speaker 1>Like they kind of only do very movies that you

0:40:41.200 --> 0:40:46.840
<v Speaker 1>have to like concede your own like cognitive thinking skills

0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:49.359
<v Speaker 1>in order to enjoy. I don't I don't know if

0:40:49.400 --> 0:40:51.560
<v Speaker 1>I I don't think I want you speaking on camera

0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:55.919
<v Speaker 1>dias like that name a movie that wasn't um being

0:40:56.000 --> 0:40:59.400
<v Speaker 1>John Malkovich that camera did that was like a prestige

0:40:59.520 --> 0:41:03.840
<v Speaker 1>performance or in her shoes. Yeah, I mean that is

0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:07.640
<v Speaker 1>a stunning the holiday shut the funk up, that is

0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:10.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm not again I have to say when

0:41:10.680 --> 0:41:14.440
<v Speaker 1>I say things are idiotic, that is a high compliment.

0:41:14.640 --> 0:41:17.279
<v Speaker 1>In my book, it feels judgment adult to me. No, no, no,

0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:21.160
<v Speaker 1>I am an idiot. Rose, you know this, I know this.

0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:25.479
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I really pride myself on being a

0:41:25.640 --> 0:41:29.560
<v Speaker 1>very smart idiot. I I like things that combine idiot

0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:32.480
<v Speaker 1>culture and like things that you know, you can intellectualize.

0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:34.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I do think we can take a moment

0:41:34.560 --> 0:41:37.120
<v Speaker 1>to talk about the careers that these women have had.

0:41:37.840 --> 0:41:43.080
<v Speaker 1>Cameron Diaz, you know, was a movie star, Like she

0:41:43.360 --> 0:41:46.240
<v Speaker 1>was one of the A list girls, you know, Drew

0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:51.120
<v Speaker 1>she had already started her like ascent back into superstardom

0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:54.960
<v Speaker 1>after her like you know, troubled teenage years. And I

0:41:55.000 --> 0:42:01.799
<v Speaker 1>think actually Flower Films, her production company produced Charlie Angels. Yeah,

0:42:01.840 --> 0:42:04.960
<v Speaker 1>she's probably like one of the engines that like this.

0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:08.400
<v Speaker 1>She was asked after Elizabeth Banks decided she was going

0:42:08.440 --> 0:42:10.880
<v Speaker 1>to do it, she was asked to be an executive

0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:16.040
<v Speaker 1>producer that makes sense us. And then Lucy she was

0:42:16.080 --> 0:42:19.040
<v Speaker 1>a TV girl because she was on Ally McBeal, and

0:42:19.080 --> 0:42:23.080
<v Speaker 1>then I think this was her big film breakthrough Allie mcbell.

0:42:23.160 --> 0:42:26.760
<v Speaker 1>I've actually never seen Ally mcgeil. I used to watch

0:42:26.800 --> 0:42:29.520
<v Speaker 1>it when my parents watched it. I mean it's like,

0:42:29.600 --> 0:42:34.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, a weird law procedural. It was workplace where

0:42:34.800 --> 0:42:39.560
<v Speaker 1>I thought it had like their disguises, they're no, no, no, yeah,

0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:43.120
<v Speaker 1>it's about it's about a law firm and like everyone

0:42:43.760 --> 0:42:50.400
<v Speaker 1>sleeping together. We thought it was about spies. Allie mcbell

0:42:50.760 --> 0:42:54.200
<v Speaker 1>who plays Ali again Callista Flockhart. That is not a

0:42:54.320 --> 0:42:58.360
<v Speaker 1>name name. Say it again, Callista Flockhart. She's married to

0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:01.800
<v Speaker 1>Harrison Force. It sounds like like you sneezed or something.

0:43:03.200 --> 0:43:10.240
<v Speaker 1>Lista Flockhart and Jane kirk House also, um okay, since

0:43:10.320 --> 0:43:13.400
<v Speaker 1>this is yesterday's pop culture with today's takes, we have

0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:18.480
<v Speaker 1>to like briefly acknowledge that, like this movie is like

0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:23.120
<v Speaker 1>egregiously racist, like these women. So first of all, I

0:43:23.120 --> 0:43:26.280
<v Speaker 1>mean I could do the laundry list. But like the opening,

0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:30.080
<v Speaker 1>the opening scene is has like a great LLL cool

0:43:30.160 --> 0:43:32.680
<v Speaker 1>J cameo where he like jumps Sado plane and like

0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:34.799
<v Speaker 1>saves people from this bomb and then they land in

0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:38.000
<v Speaker 1>the in this boat off of the plane and L

0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:41.880
<v Speaker 1>cool J route takes off his mask to reveal himself

0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:46.360
<v Speaker 1>to this movie was huge for boats, huge for boats,

0:43:46.840 --> 0:43:49.919
<v Speaker 1>huge form white women pretending to be ethnicities that that

0:43:50.120 --> 0:43:52.560
<v Speaker 1>end races that they're not huge for boats because then

0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Tom Green also later has a boat. Oh really and

0:43:56.040 --> 0:43:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Tom Green? This was when Tom Green and Drew Barrymore

0:43:59.040 --> 0:44:05.359
<v Speaker 1>were married. Oh Chad, right, Okay, yeah, okay, so that's

0:44:05.360 --> 0:44:09.759
<v Speaker 1>like anyways, this L cool J moment is like the

0:44:09.800 --> 0:44:11.680
<v Speaker 1>casting the first time, And again I have to say

0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:14.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I think I want to acknowledge these things,

0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:18.160
<v Speaker 1>not because I'm like canceled. You're not allowed to enjoy

0:44:18.200 --> 0:44:20.640
<v Speaker 1>this movie. As we always say, it's just like important

0:44:20.680 --> 0:44:23.759
<v Speaker 1>that the context sticks to it when we like talk

0:44:23.800 --> 0:44:27.920
<v Speaker 1>about it. But like, I mean, they is there's a

0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:30.239
<v Speaker 1>moment where they all dress up in kimonos and I

0:44:30.280 --> 0:44:34.640
<v Speaker 1>think I'm turning Japanese plays on the soundtrack. There is

0:44:34.680 --> 0:44:37.960
<v Speaker 1>a moment where Drew Barrymore is a literal brown face

0:44:38.360 --> 0:44:41.439
<v Speaker 1>when they're all belly dancers, which also doesn't make why

0:44:41.440 --> 0:44:44.560
<v Speaker 1>are the other two girls not in brown face? Like

0:44:44.600 --> 0:44:49.359
<v Speaker 1>why was Drew was like like, I'm the one that's

0:44:49.400 --> 0:44:53.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna do this. I was so confused by that. Um

0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:58.160
<v Speaker 1>there is just like there's a moment where Cameron Diaz

0:44:58.239 --> 0:45:02.319
<v Speaker 1>gets on soul train and she starts dancing to anaconda

0:45:02.440 --> 0:45:03.960
<v Speaker 1>and all the black people in the room were like,

0:45:04.000 --> 0:45:08.240
<v Speaker 1>what's going on? And then they all sharing for no reason,

0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:11.640
<v Speaker 1>which like I will never be mad about Cameron Diaz,

0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:15.440
<v Speaker 1>like you know, dance sequence, but like why did the

0:45:15.480 --> 0:45:19.760
<v Speaker 1>writers go out of their way to do this so

0:45:19.800 --> 0:45:22.800
<v Speaker 1>many times? Also, is her love interest Luke Wilson or

0:45:22.800 --> 0:45:25.759
<v Speaker 1>Owen Wilson. I can never I can never figure out

0:45:25.760 --> 0:45:28.680
<v Speaker 1>which one is. It's Luke and he's stunning. I think

0:45:28.800 --> 0:45:32.640
<v Speaker 1>I like Owen more because of his big nose. Yeah,

0:45:32.680 --> 0:45:35.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean yeah, as we've said before, Alan Wilson does

0:45:35.200 --> 0:45:38.959
<v Speaker 1>have the quintessential shovel face. Anyways, a lot of things

0:45:39.000 --> 0:45:42.680
<v Speaker 1>like that in the movie. Um, even honestly, well, I

0:45:42.680 --> 0:45:44.920
<v Speaker 1>was going to say the Dominatrix thing is like a

0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:47.000
<v Speaker 1>little fetishistic, but like, for the most part, it's just

0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:49.040
<v Speaker 1>like the movie. No, it's just hot. It's just hot.

0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:51.719
<v Speaker 1>It is so hot. Come on, yeah, yeah, you're like,

0:45:51.760 --> 0:45:54.520
<v Speaker 1>don't ruin everything. What I'm mostly trying to say is

0:45:54.520 --> 0:45:57.000
<v Speaker 1>the movie was very evidently written by three white guys,

0:45:57.040 --> 0:46:01.560
<v Speaker 1>three straight white guys. Actually, I think John August is gay, um,

0:46:01.560 --> 0:46:03.680
<v Speaker 1>but he's like a dungeon and Dragon's gay, So I

0:46:03.719 --> 0:46:23.160
<v Speaker 1>think that kind of says a lot. The fight scenes

0:46:23.200 --> 0:46:26.480
<v Speaker 1>are very iconic, and they performed them all in like

0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:31.160
<v Speaker 1>stiletto heels, so funny, so like another way that like

0:46:31.320 --> 0:46:34.120
<v Speaker 1>that is something that really hits in twenty one. The

0:46:34.239 --> 0:46:39.640
<v Speaker 1>disguises that they wear are incredible and like iconic. They

0:46:39.719 --> 0:46:43.960
<v Speaker 1>are Look, they are just so hot. They are so hot.

0:46:44.000 --> 0:46:48.400
<v Speaker 1>The scene where they're at the race track, Oh my god, incredible,

0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:51.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean each And in the second movie when they're

0:46:51.640 --> 0:46:57.360
<v Speaker 1>in the like leader hosen dresses. Wow, yet another culture

0:46:57.400 --> 0:47:03.319
<v Speaker 1>that they rading yodelers. Wait, no, that's in the first movie. Yeah,

0:47:03.440 --> 0:47:06.200
<v Speaker 1>the first in the first way because Bill Murray, I

0:47:06.200 --> 0:47:09.480
<v Speaker 1>guess Bill Murray didn't return. That was them seducing another

0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:12.560
<v Speaker 1>random guy by being like sexy leader house and girls

0:47:12.560 --> 0:47:15.440
<v Speaker 1>that like spank each other and stuff. Again, like I

0:47:15.480 --> 0:47:18.279
<v Speaker 1>just I loved it, but because of the bimbo thing.

0:47:18.400 --> 0:47:20.000
<v Speaker 1>It's so good. But you know what, you know what

0:47:20.080 --> 0:47:23.120
<v Speaker 1>I didn't love because it does not lean into the

0:47:23.120 --> 0:47:27.120
<v Speaker 1>bim bonus of it all was the two thousand nineteen

0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:36.120
<v Speaker 1>remake starring Kristen Stewart. And listen on this on this podcast,

0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:40.520
<v Speaker 1>This is a Christian Stewart stand podcast. We are Chrisbians,

0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Um we lift Christin Stewart up in celebration even though

0:47:45.520 --> 0:47:47.800
<v Speaker 1>you know we're down bad because she lost the Oscar.

0:47:49.080 --> 0:47:52.960
<v Speaker 1>But the Charlie's Angels reboot that she started was a

0:47:53.040 --> 0:47:56.600
<v Speaker 1>huge mega flop in in in industry terms, what we

0:47:56.600 --> 0:48:03.600
<v Speaker 1>would call a huge mega flop dodo cock up cataclysmically

0:48:04.520 --> 0:48:09.040
<v Speaker 1>um financially a loss for everyone involved. It's like, honestly,

0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:15.600
<v Speaker 1>it's not even then, it's like offensively bad. It's just nothing.

0:48:15.840 --> 0:48:21.000
<v Speaker 1>It's boring, the worst thing it could be, worst thing, yes, yes,

0:48:21.239 --> 0:48:26.160
<v Speaker 1>so boring. So it's like it actually maybe like a

0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:34.640
<v Speaker 1>jump started girl Boss culture um like culture. It was

0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:39.120
<v Speaker 1>the inciting incident. It's it's really I can't remember a

0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:41.839
<v Speaker 1>single thing that happened in it, I when I tell you,

0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:44.080
<v Speaker 1>And actually the only thing I can remember is the

0:48:44.280 --> 0:48:47.239
<v Speaker 1>Verne Cox showing up at the end, which good for her.

0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:50.239
<v Speaker 1>I hope the check cleared, like the final like that.

0:48:50.800 --> 0:48:53.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't really, I don't even remember. At the end,

0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:56.760
<v Speaker 1>there's like a montage of all of the new angels

0:48:57.280 --> 0:49:01.120
<v Speaker 1>that are like in an operation, and Laverne is one

0:49:01.160 --> 0:49:02.960
<v Speaker 1>of them. I was very stoned when I watched the movie.

0:49:03.160 --> 0:49:07.799
<v Speaker 1>But I I absolutely and this is no exaggeration, retained

0:49:08.000 --> 0:49:13.680
<v Speaker 1>not one single moment, set piece, scene, plot point, character name, nothing.

0:49:13.840 --> 0:49:19.759
<v Speaker 1>I saw an advanced press screening of it, and I

0:49:19.800 --> 0:49:24.520
<v Speaker 1>was just flabbergasted how bad it was. And I think, here,

0:49:24.640 --> 0:49:26.400
<v Speaker 1>here's the thing, is that this is like a comment,

0:49:26.480 --> 0:49:28.480
<v Speaker 1>this is a recurring theme on like a Virgin is

0:49:28.520 --> 0:49:31.680
<v Speaker 1>like people set out to make reboots and they spend

0:49:31.800 --> 0:49:35.560
<v Speaker 1>a hundred percent of their energy worrying about how they're

0:49:35.560 --> 0:49:38.440
<v Speaker 1>going to fix the old thing instead of just making

0:49:38.480 --> 0:49:41.279
<v Speaker 1>a good movie. Yeah, and that's what I think is

0:49:41.400 --> 0:49:44.680
<v Speaker 1>great about the two tho movies. It's not trying to

0:49:45.400 --> 0:49:48.600
<v Speaker 1>fix there's no intention. I mean not to excuse all

0:49:48.640 --> 0:49:51.120
<v Speaker 1>the egregiously like racist things, but like it's like it

0:49:51.200 --> 0:49:53.400
<v Speaker 1>has no intention in doing no, it's just trying to

0:49:53.440 --> 0:49:55.680
<v Speaker 1>be fun. Yeah, and it was. It was not stuff

0:49:55.719 --> 0:49:59.520
<v Speaker 1>fun And like I think, you know, I personally think

0:49:59.560 --> 0:50:02.800
<v Speaker 1>that that this has to be this is a director problem.

0:50:02.880 --> 0:50:05.120
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm sorry Elizabeth Banks, like we're proud of you,

0:50:05.160 --> 0:50:08.439
<v Speaker 1>but like this is this is a director problem. And

0:50:09.200 --> 0:50:12.880
<v Speaker 1>as I kind of alluded to earlier, it's a casting problem.

0:50:13.000 --> 0:50:17.239
<v Speaker 1>Like I love case do, but this was not the

0:50:17.320 --> 0:50:20.399
<v Speaker 1>role for her. I think she was fine. I don't

0:50:20.440 --> 0:50:23.920
<v Speaker 1>know who, well, who were the other two specifically do

0:50:23.960 --> 0:50:26.840
<v Speaker 1>you remember that was fine? What? What do you what

0:50:26.880 --> 0:50:29.080
<v Speaker 1>did you retain that you thought so great? Where he

0:50:29.200 --> 0:50:32.040
<v Speaker 1>was fine? I was just happy to be looking at her.

0:50:32.320 --> 0:50:35.040
<v Speaker 1>But oh, that's an interesting answer. Do you remember you know,

0:50:35.120 --> 0:50:38.640
<v Speaker 1>an outfit, a line, a moment, a motivation. Do you

0:50:38.680 --> 0:50:41.720
<v Speaker 1>remember anything that Christian Stewart did in this I remember

0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:45.040
<v Speaker 1>there's a scene where she like flirts with some girl. Yeah,

0:50:45.120 --> 0:50:49.440
<v Speaker 1>I remember, I actually don't. I probably completely misremembering this,

0:50:49.600 --> 0:50:52.440
<v Speaker 1>but I remember her being kind of like a like

0:50:52.480 --> 0:51:00.360
<v Speaker 1>a womanizing lesbian, like she's like she's giving the England

0:51:00.640 --> 0:51:06.960
<v Speaker 1>in the Batman. But but literally, who were the other

0:51:06.960 --> 0:51:09.719
<v Speaker 1>two women in this movie? That's the thing that was

0:51:09.760 --> 0:51:12.320
<v Speaker 1>the problem is like they were there was no charisma,

0:51:12.400 --> 0:51:14.440
<v Speaker 1>unique as a rman talent. Yes, I want to know

0:51:14.480 --> 0:51:16.960
<v Speaker 1>who the other girls on deck were, because these girls

0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:20.960
<v Speaker 1>are I'm sorry, nobody's no one has ever heard of

0:51:20.960 --> 0:51:24.160
<v Speaker 1>these other two women. And then like, we commend you

0:51:24.280 --> 0:51:28.440
<v Speaker 1>for like inclusive casting, but we how can we commend

0:51:28.480 --> 0:51:31.960
<v Speaker 1>it if it didn't even if it if none of

0:51:32.000 --> 0:51:36.959
<v Speaker 1>that translate inclusively cast better actress. Yes, there's so many

0:51:36.960 --> 0:51:40.640
<v Speaker 1>other amazing women that could have been in this movie

0:51:40.880 --> 0:51:43.920
<v Speaker 1>that we're stars and I really do feel like because

0:51:43.960 --> 0:51:48.560
<v Speaker 1>the plot isn't that important, the movie necessitates stars and

0:51:48.600 --> 0:51:51.360
<v Speaker 1>so like Christian Stewart, in my opinion, is like the

0:51:51.440 --> 0:51:54.280
<v Speaker 1>right direction. Like she's someone who can be in action

0:51:54.920 --> 0:51:57.000
<v Speaker 1>and like she can play a badass. And I like

0:51:57.120 --> 0:51:59.759
<v Speaker 1>that they made the character like a lesbian or by two,

0:52:00.560 --> 0:52:04.480
<v Speaker 1>but like it was unspecified and specified, which is so annoying,

0:52:04.560 --> 0:52:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Like that's so toothless. Um but like she's not Christmas

0:52:08.640 --> 0:52:12.640
<v Speaker 1>Ward's not funny. She's not funny. She's not she's the

0:52:12.680 --> 0:52:18.640
<v Speaker 1>most she's an incredible actress, but she's not funny. Yes, yes, exactly,

0:52:18.800 --> 0:52:21.320
<v Speaker 1>and and and she does not and she does not

0:52:21.480 --> 0:52:26.360
<v Speaker 1>have the kind of presence that you know, Drew Cameron

0:52:26.400 --> 0:52:29.640
<v Speaker 1>and Lucy had. But I will say, if there's one

0:52:29.719 --> 0:52:32.400
<v Speaker 1>thing this movie did get right, is that they really

0:52:32.440 --> 0:52:37.480
<v Speaker 1>fed the rnators. Okay, oh my god, that song with

0:52:37.480 --> 0:52:42.960
<v Speaker 1>with um Ari Lana and Miley and Miley, Oh my god,

0:52:43.160 --> 0:52:46.120
<v Speaker 1>the only like semi good thing to come out of

0:52:46.120 --> 0:52:48.000
<v Speaker 1>this movie. And even still that song is like and

0:52:48.120 --> 0:52:51.319
<v Speaker 1>not great. Ari executive produced the soundtrack, which is why

0:52:51.320 --> 0:52:55.279
<v Speaker 1>she's on five of the songs, on on one of

0:52:55.320 --> 0:53:00.920
<v Speaker 1>the songs. Okay, yeah, but this, so it's kind of

0:53:00.920 --> 0:53:03.880
<v Speaker 1>a Dr Luke production as well. Yeah, but um, you

0:53:03.960 --> 0:53:09.000
<v Speaker 1>know the movie in that music video is just so stupid.

0:53:09.040 --> 0:53:11.799
<v Speaker 1>It's like one of these things is not like the other.

0:53:12.120 --> 0:53:16.160
<v Speaker 1>She's like it's like the music video takes a xan

0:53:16.440 --> 0:53:20.080
<v Speaker 1>X and she appears and I love Lana. I am

0:53:20.080 --> 0:53:22.600
<v Speaker 1>a Laana Neator. I thought a lot of was I

0:53:22.600 --> 0:53:24.480
<v Speaker 1>thought a lot of I thought Lana was kind of

0:53:24.520 --> 0:53:26.319
<v Speaker 1>good in that in the in the song too, from

0:53:26.360 --> 0:53:28.440
<v Speaker 1>what I remember, but I mean, honestly, it was it

0:53:28.480 --> 0:53:30.480
<v Speaker 1>was during a weird era for Lana. It was during

0:53:30.480 --> 0:53:33.560
<v Speaker 1>the honeymoon period, which I you know, should have been

0:53:33.760 --> 0:53:37.319
<v Speaker 1>one of the other girls, honestly. Okay, So when when

0:53:37.360 --> 0:53:41.480
<v Speaker 1>this movie is inevitably when Charlie's Angels is rebooted again

0:53:41.640 --> 0:53:44.160
<v Speaker 1>in another you know, twenty years, I think we should

0:53:44.160 --> 0:53:47.560
<v Speaker 1>write the script and it should be an all male reboot.

0:53:48.080 --> 0:53:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Did you know that they literally actually tried to make

0:53:50.080 --> 0:53:52.320
<v Speaker 1>an all male reboot of Charlie's Angels in the seventies.

0:53:53.000 --> 0:53:57.240
<v Speaker 1>I didn't. Yeah, Um, isn't just like James Bond Charlie's

0:53:57.239 --> 0:54:01.080
<v Speaker 1>Angels and all males literally every act movie is an

0:54:01.120 --> 0:54:05.520
<v Speaker 1>all male reboot. The Kingsman. So when we make it,

0:54:05.680 --> 0:54:10.880
<v Speaker 1>when we make it in twenty all of the angels

0:54:10.960 --> 0:54:14.359
<v Speaker 1>are non binary, one of them the one of them

0:54:14.400 --> 0:54:17.480
<v Speaker 1>is non binary, one of them is transfem. Yeah, it

0:54:17.520 --> 0:54:19.640
<v Speaker 1>has to be two different kinds of nonminarya and then

0:54:19.680 --> 0:54:23.799
<v Speaker 1>one of them is I think we need assist. We

0:54:23.800 --> 0:54:26.839
<v Speaker 1>need assist person to you know, ground everyone, because two

0:54:26.840 --> 0:54:29.880
<v Speaker 1>non binary people aren't going to get anything done. Okay,

0:54:30.000 --> 0:54:34.200
<v Speaker 1>sis lesbian um who's starring at it? Well, let's think

0:54:34.200 --> 0:54:40.840
<v Speaker 1>of like famous children, so be non binary. Blue Ivy

0:54:40.880 --> 0:54:43.759
<v Speaker 1>Carter is one of them. Oh Blue would and you know,

0:54:47.200 --> 0:54:50.880
<v Speaker 1>because we got to keep the girls young. Well, let's

0:54:50.880 --> 0:54:53.920
<v Speaker 1>say for the sake of the exercise that the reboot's

0:54:53.920 --> 0:54:57.439
<v Speaker 1>happening now. Okay, so we're making it today. We're making

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<v Speaker 1>a new Charlie's Angels. They're bimbos. The gotta all be bimbos. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So one of them is Addison Ray. Okay, Addison Ray,

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<v Speaker 1>Willow Willow Smith, you think, but can Willow act? Probably?

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<v Speaker 1>Can she be funny? Okay? Maybe we need a bigger

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<v Speaker 1>what about Oh I was if you said, okay, hunter

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<v Speaker 1>shape for Hunter could be funny, I was going to

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<v Speaker 1>actually say trace less at Sidney Sweeney. Sydney Sweeney. Okayney

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<v Speaker 1>Sweeney is the the Cameron, but she's not the center. Okay, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>she's also playing lesbian. Okay. I was gonna say, Synda,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll just do the cast of Euphoria. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I actually don't think Hunters right for them. No, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think so either. I think she's also she could

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<v Speaker 1>be funny, but she's not funny enough. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>because I want this to be an action comedy. Mikaela

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<v Speaker 1>j is actually such a funny person and we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>really get to see that in Pose as much. And

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like MJ has like a a quanky something.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Who I would actually rather have is um Hayley,

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<v Speaker 1>who played Lulu on Pose. I kind of think that

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<v Speaker 1>she I has some comedic chops and I think I

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<v Speaker 1>would love to see her do action and she is

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<v Speaker 1>maybe like the seductress of the group. Yeah, honestly, does

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<v Speaker 1>that mean Harry's going to be Bosley? Harry is just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna appear in every reboot we try, and and then

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<v Speaker 1>I think we do need a woman in Stem as

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<v Speaker 1>the as like the third as the third girl. Yeah, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the Angels should be a fag. She's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the girls, you know. Yeah it's or No, Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I think a Bosley should be a fag. Bosley is

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<v Speaker 1>played by Neil Patrick Harri. I like the idea, but

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<v Speaker 1>of a fag doing it, but after Neil did the Matrix,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't don't want him. Not Neil, don't fag cast

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<v Speaker 1>in anything ever again. Um. I think Bosley is like

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<v Speaker 1>Sandra Oh or like Tracy Allows. Santra Oh is a

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<v Speaker 1>very good boss. Yeah yeah, yeah, I really feel that

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<v Speaker 1>for her after like killing Eve, like I can, I

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<v Speaker 1>can get into that. Actually, I also think Bowen would

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<v Speaker 1>be a good boss. Bone would be an amazing Bossley,

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<v Speaker 1>but I feel like Bowen should actually be the villain.

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<v Speaker 1>Bowen should be the villain. Bowen should be the villain.

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<v Speaker 1>Or I think Bowen is like not the final boss villain,

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<v Speaker 1>but Bowen is like the Crispin Glover. Okay, okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>love that. Okay, yeah, it's the weird like assassin. Sure, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I think actually I would I would sub if we're not,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it should be Barbie Very should be as

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<v Speaker 1>an angel because she is also extremely funny in a

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<v Speaker 1>in a UM I'm just an awkward human. She's really

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<v Speaker 1>good at being like awkward human funny. I think Aubrey

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<v Speaker 1>Plaza would also be great. She's too old. You think

0:57:52.160 --> 0:57:55.880
<v Speaker 1>she's too old old? Okay, what about Christin Stewart again,

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<v Speaker 1>Kristen Stewart again, Let's give her another chance? What about

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<v Speaker 1>got Nick in drag No one who's ever been on

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<v Speaker 1>drag Race? Okay, we're going to need to do a

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<v Speaker 1>search for the next l Woods type realitum no, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's what that's that's this movie that created the

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<v Speaker 1>problem in the first places. They were trying to break

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<v Speaker 1>out two stars, and we just need people that are

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<v Speaker 1>already stars. Okay, so I wanted to be a Cameron,

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<v Speaker 1>Lucy and Drew and they're playing like they're playing early twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>but they there's no there's no c g I. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>we just don't reference the fact that they are women

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<v Speaker 1>of a certain age like pen fifteen, yes, or they

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<v Speaker 1>could just be c g I t oblivion and there

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<v Speaker 1>we make them looks like a literal video game. The

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<v Speaker 1>whole movie just looks like, okay, maybe this reboot is

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<v Speaker 1>actually a video game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, I've

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<v Speaker 1>never played but have now referenced on this podcast several times.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why. Yeah, that's that's very specific thing

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<v Speaker 1>to refer Maybe Kylie Jenner's one of the angels. I

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<v Speaker 1>actually would love a Jenner or Kadashian to be an angel.

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<v Speaker 1>I would I would love that. Also, Caitlin is the villain.

0:59:15.520 --> 0:59:19.240
<v Speaker 1>Caitlin is the final boss villain or no, Caitlin is

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie good Mortar Carol. No, wait, she does have the

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<v Speaker 1>voice for it. She has a very like she has

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