1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: This is SWBC Mortgages Cowboys Cross Talk broadcasting live from 2 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:13,399 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys World Headquarters at the Star in Frisco. Brought 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: to you by Geico fifteen minutes could say if you 4 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: fifteen percent or more on car insurance and by s 5 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: WBC Mortgage customized solutions to help you meet your personal 6 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: and business goals. Visit SWBC dot com. Now your host, 7 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: Shannon Gross. Welcome to Cowboys Cross Talk. Shannon Gross here 8 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: sitting across from my partner on Hanging with the Boys 9 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. The Great Nate Newton here 10 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 1: at the Star. How you doing a night? Name? You're 11 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: doing great? Man, I see my man Gavin is down there. 12 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: Man and Gavin, I'm is it your show of who 13 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: showed as Somebody got Torona? Oh? Yes, our show. Good evening. 14 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: By the way, Nate, it's great to see you. Shannon. 15 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: Are you doing great? Welcome to the show. Gavin Dawson 16 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: on the one who fans like, No, sir, otherwise I 17 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: might have it, but yeah we had Jeff Tavin. I'll 18 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: come down with it over the weekend. Yeah, okay, tell him. 19 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: I hope he's doing better for real. That series we 20 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: expect him back tomorrow, but appreciate that. Yeah, before the show, 21 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: come on, all right, can we continue? We haven't even 22 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: introduced everybody, and you already stopped the show down. This 23 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: isn't hanging with the boys, This is cowboys, Crosstark, this 24 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: is a different show. I'm through talking. Okay, all right, 25 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, welcome to the show. Gavin good good to 26 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: have your board tonight, and good bro very special guests. 27 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: Former Dallas cowboy Patrick Crayton is on the show tonight. 28 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: Do we have you there? Patrick? I am here. How 29 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: you guys doing? We are doing great? Man? How are 30 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: how are things with you? Uh? Are we talking about 31 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: the star? Are we talking about life? Well? Both? Which 32 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: way do you want to take this? Right? Don't do it? 33 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: So open that door this fad? Please fill us in 34 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: on what you have been up to. Where are you 35 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 1: living these days? What are you up to? What's what's 36 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: going on with Patrick Crayton? Man? I'm still here in Louisville, man, 37 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: Just so I'm not asking far from the start off, 38 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: just raising these kiddos of mine, man, and doing business 39 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: stuff off the field. How many you got? How many 40 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: babies you got? Help us out? Three thirteen twelve and 41 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 1: eleven cool man girls boys too? What two boys and 42 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: a girl. My daughter's right in the middle. Beautiful man, 43 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: beautiful you about you about halfway home? Then twelve thirteen 44 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: twelve about right right? Yes, sir? So what are you doing? 45 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: What are you doing? Business wise? What are you what 46 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: are you messing around with? Well? You know, one thing, 47 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: we have my wife and now we're on the Primrosese 48 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: Private preschool. Okay, so that's that's one thing we got going. Uh. 49 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: And then I've got invested within FedEx on FedEx trucks 50 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:01,679 Speaker 1: and routes as well. Keep busy, brother, keeping bis very cool. 51 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: Have you had any time with all that going on 52 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: to watch this Dallas Cowboys football team this season? If 53 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: you want to call it that one? Yeah, here we go. 54 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: And what is your take so far on the Dallas 55 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: Cowboys this season? General thoughts? My general thoughts? Uh. Number one, 56 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: what I wish would happen is if someone would like 57 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: just start the game off with a fight. That will 58 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: least show me this team had something. I like it. 59 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: That's one thing. That's that's that's one thing. Just start 60 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: off like on a kickoff, like get a fifteen year 61 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: a penalty for an excessive hit something. Just just show 62 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: me there's like some kind of fight left in this team, 63 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: because I'm not I'm not seeing it. I get it. 64 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: Uh the markets Tech Lawrence was saying weeks ago that 65 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: no one should question how hard he plays. I'm not 66 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: questioning how hard you play, sir. I've watched you. I 67 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: know how as you play. I'm questioning the fight and 68 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: the leadership that you're not putting towards everyone else to 69 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: come to your level. Now at the top, you're you're 70 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: the highest faded player on the defense. I need to 71 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: I need to see that leadership on that side of 72 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: the ball. He's a hell of a player. I just 73 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: need to see that transfer over into the leadership problem 74 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: and and and that comes out through the rest of 75 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: the team. I love that, man. I've been looking for 76 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: some fight from this team. And I say start one. 77 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: Start a game with a fight on the opening kickoff, 78 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: and then if you go down twenty again, that's gonna 79 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: have to be fighting number two. Okay, we're not going 80 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 1: down without a swing. Nate. We we talked about on 81 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: the show earlier. Just do like Mike used to do 82 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: and just slap slap him in the head, first play 83 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 1: out of the game, right to do something. We're all 84 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: on the same page here, man, and and it is 85 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: just good to hear you for us creating man and uh, 86 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: some of these things we're gonna take to our podcast tomorrow, 87 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: you know, because you know, we had a pretty good 88 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: little group and that, but I've never thought of it 89 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: that way. Just just come out swing, just just something. Yeah, 90 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: we have to get something going, Gavin, from your your 91 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: vantage point over there on the on the fans side, 92 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: what do you seeing with the team? What would you 93 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: like to see more of? And I guess question for 94 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 1: everybody is or we kind of resigned now with the 95 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: way the season is and where we're at with the season, 96 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: or moral victories along the way kind of what we 97 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: have to look forward to with this team. Well, uh, 98 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: you know, I appreciate the question. First of all, Patrick 99 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: Primrose was great for my Abbey. She's nine now she's 100 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: in fourth grade, but Primrose, we had it there for 101 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: two years and it was amazing. Salute to that suit, 102 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: Salute to those guys with their childcare and their education. 103 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: But I want to see positive signs from this defense. 104 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: They can learn what Mike Nolan's teaching. They can transition 105 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: from last year's system to this one, find some guys 106 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: who it really clicks with, and I'm hoping Trayvon Diggs 107 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: can build off what he had. You know, there was 108 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: a couple of plays early in the year where he 109 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: could have had some picks, so you could be looking 110 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: at the midway point here the guy who's you know, 111 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: got four interceptions and he knocked the ball out of 112 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: Metcalf's hands too. So, like, I want to see some 113 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: exciting guys developed, and I think Diggs is a good 114 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: candidate for that. I'm waiting on you, crazy. My space 115 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: is full. I want to hear you. Thank you. You 116 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: know what I like? He said. I want to touch 117 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: on that too as well, because Dix has showed me 118 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: a lot coming in being a rookie. He's probably the 119 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: best playing secondary right now as a rookie, and that's 120 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: that's that's kind of if you're a vent, that's kind 121 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: of hard to chew being that, uh, he is a 122 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: true rookie, has come in and started from day one. 123 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: It's probably your best player and probably has played your 124 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: best defensively outside of Aldis Smith, who I'm not sure 125 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: if he was hurting this past game, or if he 126 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: was just not feeling it, or if I'm not sure 127 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 1: exactly what was going Uh, but yeah, Patrick, are you okay? 128 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: Obviously he's young, he's a rookie. He's making mistakes, but 129 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: he's got some dog in him. You can see that 130 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: he doesn't get up on plays, Gavin. You mentioned the 131 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,679 Speaker 1: Metcalf play where he ran him down from behind. Looks 132 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: like he's got a really short memory. What you need 133 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: is a is a dB in this league. He makes 134 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: mistakes and then he turns around and he's made some 135 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: really good plays. Are you okay with with the mistakes 136 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: as long as you see progress and him him getting better? 137 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: Is that what you want out of a rookie is 138 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: someone that just has a little bit of fight in 139 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: him and short term memory on the defensive side of 140 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: the ball. Absolutely, absolutely, there, There are there are. That's 141 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: one of the things you cannot coach. I cannot. That's 142 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: two things you cannot. The football coach will tell you 143 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: that I can't coach I can't coach size, and I 144 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: can't coach an attitude and effort. Thank you If you 145 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: bring those everything else so I can work with, we 146 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: can work on technique and everything, but I can't coach 147 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: your effort. I can't coach her your size. As long 148 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: as you got those, we can we can work with 149 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: everything else. And he's shown now and that dog that's 150 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: in him, he has it in him naturally. Carse has 151 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: always had this one talk. He says, if they don't 152 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: bite when they puppies, they usually don't bite when they 153 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: do come adults. And he's a puppy. That's that's that's 154 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: snapping Nate talking about digs is there. It's the youth movement. 155 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: I guess from here on the Bennucci Ben may not 156 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: be playing this week, but it's means for me is 157 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: just a young man's game for the Dallas Cowboys. Now. 158 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: I want to see some effort, which Craton just talked about. 159 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,719 Speaker 1: These guys can play. Uh, you gotta get them going 160 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: in the right direction defensively, the our knees of the world, 161 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: the Galamore's of the world. We gotta get them going. 162 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: And I'm not resigned to just getting beat up every week. 163 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: But we need to see our young guys line up, 164 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: do their assignments and be the best players they can be. 165 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: And if if if we got that I can live 166 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,719 Speaker 1: with it. But if we don't have effort, that's too 167 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: far to go, that's too far of a project. If 168 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: you don't have effday, that's that's sad. Yeah, Gavin, From 169 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: your point of view, the season is what it is. 170 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 1: And as a Cowboys fan, you guys talk to fans 171 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: all the time on your shows. As a Cowboys fan, 172 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 1: it's hard to be excited about the rest of the season. Technically, 173 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: you still have a chance to win the division, you 174 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: have a chance to host a playoff game. I think 175 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: all of us are probably realists, and it's like, what's 176 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, you want to make the playoffs, but 177 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: what hope do you have or what are you looking 178 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: forward to the rest of this year as this season 179 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: plays out, when you're only at the midway point and 180 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: it's been as dismal as it's been this season. Well, 181 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: you know, the cool thing about the NFL, and I 182 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: think Jerry Jones had a big part of this, is 183 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: that it's a three hundred and sixty five day a 184 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: year thing where it's on your mind, and a big 185 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: part of it in sports radio and for fans is 186 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: team building. You know, what are the philosophy, what are 187 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: the strategies for putting together a roster that is going 188 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: to equate to success. And some teams around the NFL, 189 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: like the Patriots, did a hell of a job at 190 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: that for a long long time and they were way 191 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: ahead of the NFL. The Rams, the Eagles with Howie 192 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: Roseman have made some great moves over the last five 193 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: or six years. And what I'm getting at is the 194 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 1: most exciting thing is how you're going to set yourself 195 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: up for an off season and trading a top five 196 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: pick if that's what you end up with, if it's 197 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: a top two pick. So yeah, we're watching the Cowboys 198 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: and hoping to see great plays happen. But in the end, 199 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 1: if they do lose six of the last eight games 200 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 1: and they end up four and twelve, you could be 201 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: in the position to hold a quarterback for ransom for 202 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: a team wanting to trade up. And that's the kind 203 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: of modern day herschel Walker trade that could materialize, where 204 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: you trade down once, then you trade down again. The 205 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: next thing you know, you have multiple ones and multiple 206 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: twos and you can rebuild a defense while paying Dak 207 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: Prescott forty million dollars in one offseason, just poof Hey, 208 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: you know, now, give these guys a couple of years 209 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: to play and we can have a really awesome defense. 210 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: So to me, that's the most exciting thing. I know 211 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: it can be kind of depressing when you're talking about 212 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: the benefit of watching Cowboys losses, But while we're watching 213 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: those losses, you bring up Gallimore, you bring up Digs, 214 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: other players, you know, Ceedee Lamb, And when Andy Dalton 215 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: comes back, they're gonna they're going to be able to 216 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: go out there and play some entertaining football. I do believe, 217 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: at least against the defenses that don't have a powerful front. 218 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up Andy Dalton. When we come 219 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: back from our break. We were talking about this Nate 220 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: and I before we went on the air. I want 221 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: to get y'all's opinion. Did we don't even don't save that? Here? Fresh? Okay? Fresh? 222 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: We have fresh stuff. Yes, when we come back, we're 223 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: gonna take our first break and we'll bring you fresh stuff. 224 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: You were listening to Cross Cowboys Cross Talk of the 225 00:11:52,360 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys Radio Network to s WBC Mortgages Cowboys Cross 226 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: Talk broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys World Headquarters at the 227 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. From the Star in Frisco, Shannon Gross 228 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: and Nate Newton here sitting across from each other. Gavin 229 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: Dawson joining us from one oh five three, the flagship 230 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: station on that side, and very special guests Patrick Creighton 231 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: from somewhere in Lewisville. We are back and Nate, before 232 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: we get going with the show. Yes, did you know 233 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: at s WBC SWBC right over my shoulders, they have 234 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: customized solutions for individuals and businesses, and you, my friend, 235 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: are just a click away, a click? What I hear that? 236 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: Go to SWBC dot com to learn more, Nate and 237 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: start your next adventure. Yes, sir, name adventure as you asked. 238 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: Create this question. Wait, well, I've been waiting on you 239 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: create all right, wait till after the show before you 240 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: do it, because I know you're how technology savvy you are, 241 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: and you will crash the whole thing and we will 242 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: lose you. So just wait, wait to go click that. 243 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: I'm just excited. So this is this is the question. 244 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: This is the conversation Nate and now we're having before 245 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: we came on the air. Is you know da Dak 246 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: going down? I think we all knew Dak was a 247 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: good quarterback, and he's progressively climbed his way up in 248 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: the conversation. He started out as a as a lower 249 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: tier quarterback, moved himself into the mid tier quarterbacks conversation, 250 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: and then this year you can argue he's moving into 251 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: that top ten, getting close to that top five conversation, 252 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: he gets hurt, Nate, you and I had had the 253 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: opinion that Andy Dalton was not near the quarterback Dak 254 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: was right, but he was gonna sustain this offense. He 255 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: wasn't gonna put up thirty thirty five points a game, 256 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: but he was gonna keep you in games. And we 257 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: were wrong. We were really we were really wrong. So 258 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: the question to the group and Patrick will start with 259 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: you and then we'll go to you, Gavin, did we, 260 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: Nate and I, did we overvalue Andy Dalton? Or as 261 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: Dak just that good this year that he was able 262 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: to hold this thing together but basically the same offensive 263 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: line in the same offense as weapons minus Zack Martin, 264 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: which is a big piece. But still, you know, Andy 265 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: Dalton barely been able to put up any points. What 266 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: are your opinions on Dak? Has he become that valuable 267 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: to this team? To answer your question number one. Yes, 268 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: he has become that valuable number one because of his intangibles. 269 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: I don't care how good Andy would have been or 270 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: how nice of a guy he is. He's not the leader. 271 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: And you could tell by the response when Dak wnt 272 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: down he is the leader. You know. It's it's like 273 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: the movie three hundred. He is that guy. This is Sparta, 274 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: and once the leader of Sparta died, that went Sparta. 275 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: So yes, he has he has gotten that good. He 276 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:55,959 Speaker 1: has developed into that good number two, because get backup 277 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: is not going to get as many reps in practice, 278 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: even though with Andy Dalton's experience, now all of a sudden, 279 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: the playbook shrinks because any Dalton has no run threat whatsoever. 280 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: My eleven year old is more of a run threat 281 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: than any dults, right, So so that that that that's 282 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: less the defense has to focus on in practice and 283 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 1: in game planning. They're like, hey, especially d N They're like, hey, 284 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: he's gonna be five to seven yards behind the center. 285 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: I'll meet you there, and that's that's you can tee 286 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: off or the defense like that. There are no RPO option, 287 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: which is run pass run pass options. Uh, So that 288 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: limits the playbook. He's not getting down the field though, 289 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: there's no chance for bootlegs, so it's very very easy 290 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: to game planning. And then that that that makes players 291 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: around you sometimes be like, damn, what can we do. 292 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: We don't even have our quarterback. Like the offense when 293 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: they get there, when they get their install on Wednesday, 294 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: I guarantee it's missing about five to six pages work 295 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: for plays just because of the versatility of Dak prep, 296 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: the versatility of the leadership, the verpose, the way he 297 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: knows how to run the offense, the receivers knowing that 298 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: at any time they're going to get the ball thrown 299 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: their way. Uh Zeke knowing that he's going to create 300 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: running opportunities for me because he can run himself, and 301 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: we can move the ball, and we can actually help 302 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: the defense out. Defenses already on a historical bad level 303 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 1: right now, and and being that now you can't put 304 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: up points. That was the best game they played this 305 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: past week against Philly in Philly's horrible, but that was 306 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: the best. That was the best game they played all 307 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:39,239 Speaker 1: week May all year. And they still gave up They 308 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: only gave up fifteen, which is good, I mean, consider 309 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 1: they were giving up thirty plus like a prostitute. Okay, yeah, 310 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: did we overrate Dalton because I was talking about it 311 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: similar to how you guys were. I think the answers 312 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: yes and no and and maybe it varies from person 313 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: to person, but from what I've seen, Andy Dalton could 314 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: get you the twenty six points per game or whatever 315 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 1: if he's protected. But once Collins and Smith are out, 316 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: and you know, the dominoes start to fall. I think 317 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: Andy Dalton's put in positions that he can't handle as 318 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: well as Dak did. And I was surprised. You know 319 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: how rattled he got and how quickly his eyes went 320 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: down and he was unable to pick him back up 321 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: and find somebody open. So I guess for me, the 322 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 1: answer is, you know, quarterbacks, as you move up the progression, 323 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: can do things without help. And you know, we've seen 324 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers put on a show with Davante Adams in 325 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: too good offensive lineman. You know, it's incredible. He's not 326 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: turning it over at all. Dak showed the ability that 327 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: without an offensive line, you give me three receivers, we 328 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 1: can cook. You know, I think Andy Dalton, if he 329 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: wants to cook, he needs protection, and weapons. Wow, great 330 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: answers both of you guys, you know, and this leads 331 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: to the next question. Man, what do you do as 332 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: a Dallas Cowboy team? If you guys were general managers 333 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: and just forget the drama, the leg and the ankle, 334 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 1: what what do you do? Do you sit in the 335 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 1: meetings and saying, Okay, is this our guy? Or do 336 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: we play the game of franchise tag which that's a 337 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: no goal in my book, but I want to know 338 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: how you guys feel about that? Or are we talking 339 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: about just Dakka, we're talking about telling my dad offense 340 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: defense were talking about that. We're talking about dad, do 341 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: you franchise this guy? Trying to say Okay, let's see 342 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 1: where he's at, or do even though he's coming off 343 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: this injury, do you try to get something done because 344 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 1: he's not getting any cheaper, right, he's making more money 345 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,959 Speaker 1: sitting on I want to I want you don't have 346 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: to be definitive because this is moving parts as we go, right, 347 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: but I think you definitely try to get a deal done. Uh. 348 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: You know at this point if you're originally the biggest 349 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: thing was what four years versus five years? Okay, well 350 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: you got one of those years out of the way. 351 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: Now give him it's four year deal, I mean, because 352 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: that's what you're gonna do. People love to say the 353 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: biggest thing. People were talking about five years, one seventy five. 354 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: Nat you know, like I know that one seventy five 355 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: looks good on paper, but it means nothing after guaranteed 356 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: money's gone. So we can rip that up after year 357 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: three four, once guaranteed money's gone, we will redo this 358 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: whole deal. Anyway, So that fifth year made no difference whatsoever. 359 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: It just looked good, and it made it look good 360 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 1: on salary cap numbers. That was it. Other than that, 361 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,199 Speaker 1: it was worthless. So I definitely try to get a 362 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 1: deal done, especially knowing that that's your quarterback for the future. 363 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: What is it? What is that twenty six, twenty seven. 364 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: Maybe he's got a lot, he's got a lot of 365 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: years left because he plays a quarterback position, and they're 366 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: protecting those guys every year, played by play, game by game, 367 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: week by week, simply because that's where the majority of 368 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: the money's invested within these ball clubs. So I definitely 369 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: try to get a deal done. And then yeah, we 370 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: need to draft some offensive linement probably and at first round. 371 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 1: We may need to trade up to get some offensive 372 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 1: linement because I hate to say it, I mean, you 373 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: had Travis Frederick retired Tyres Smith. I pray that everything 374 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: is okay with him, but he's looking like this is 375 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: the end of Tyre Smith as we know Tyre Smith. Yes, 376 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: I think little Connins will come back just fine. But yeah, 377 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: you're gonna have start looking at another left tackle. You 378 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: need to look at the left guard, and you probably 379 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: need to look at the center. You need you need 380 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: to replace sixty percent of your line. Okay, all right. 381 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: There's there's a ton of interesting scenarios that come into 382 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: play though, Like if you're gonna sign Dak and you 383 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: have the third overall pick, Sewel, the tackle from Oregon 384 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: would be sitting there third, and he is just such 385 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: a specimen. He's just paving the road out there for 386 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: the ducks. We were talking with Brian brought us about this. 387 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: You could put him in a guard for a while 388 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: and wait to see what happens with Tyron Smith, and 389 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: then as Tyrn fades out, you kick Sewel and you 390 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 1: could just destroy in the running game with Holy Cow, 391 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: you know those three guys healthy with Lyle Collins and 392 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: Zack Martin and Sewell and Smith. You might be back 393 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: to those twenty sixteen glory days when Ron Learry was 394 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: in there. The other team could know you were running 395 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: and you still were getting five yards per carry, and 396 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,719 Speaker 1: I think that would be ideal. It does get complicated, though, 397 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: if you had the first or second pick with the 398 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: Ohio State quarterback and Fields and Trevor Lawrence sitting there, 399 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: if Dak and his agent are insisting on way way 400 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: high numbers, wouldn't you consider a tag and trade of 401 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 1: Dak and get back on the rookie quarterback salary that 402 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: Fields or Lawrence represents. I mean, that's a huge advantage, 403 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: and a lot of teams that are winning in the 404 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: NFL are doing it when their quarterback is in that 405 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,959 Speaker 1: rookie salary window. So it would be But I think 406 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: the great news is either one of those that the 407 00:24:55,040 --> 00:25:01,360 Speaker 1: Cowboys picked would be an incredibly asset rich Well, if 408 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: you're looking at drafting that high, having a two, three 409 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: four pick, you're looking at those two quarterbacks. Are you 410 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: bringing in a line to help protect that rookie? I 411 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: think Martin, Yeah, I think that's not a pretty good line. Still, Okay, 412 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: so I'm also gating. I'm also tagging and trading Dak, 413 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,959 Speaker 1: adding additional draft capital. So yeah, we can lock up 414 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: the line and spend our money on defense. But yeah, 415 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: either way, I'm trading either Dak or a top pick. 416 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: And just really, I mean it's it's incredible. You have 417 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: to sit through eight more weeks of it, but this 418 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: Cowboys front office is going to be loaded with options. Yeah, 419 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: and Gavin, what what would you do? Would you open 420 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: up the pocketbook or is there a an amount for 421 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 1: Dak that you're like, Okay, this is this is doesn't 422 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: make financial sense. I'm doing the sign and trade. And 423 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: then in Horden go, yeah, if he's healthy and we 424 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: don't have a top two pick, you know, Dak's back 425 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: and we've had the met Cole and it's like, dude, 426 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: everything looks perfect, then yeah, I don't really think there's 427 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: a number that, with the cap continuing to go up, 428 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: is going to be that prohibitive towards winning. You know, 429 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: if it's forty five million, what's really the difference. You know, 430 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 1: when when Tony had to retire and Dez got hurt, 431 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: the Cowboys had a ton of dead cap money, sitting 432 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: on like thirty million bucks a year, and because they 433 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 1: drafted well and they had young players on their team 434 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: playing well, they were contending. So this idea that if 435 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: you pay Dak an additional three or four million bucks 436 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: that now, oh no, we can't win. It's it's wrong. 437 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: You know, I just draft well Cowboys and you're gonna 438 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,959 Speaker 1: have plenty of players that can you know, stack up 439 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: a bunch of wins. All right, let's stay well, then 440 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: I ask you this question. Go ahead, well ask you 441 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,719 Speaker 1: this then, uh, being that you're you're gonna draft correct 442 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: or you keeping the same defensive coordinator for that same defense. 443 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 1: Oh man, these next day games are going to go 444 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: a long way into that. But yeah, or defensive coordinators 445 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: on my watch list right now? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. There's 446 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: a you know, a lot of reasons to believe. But 447 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: I think, going based off of what happened last week 448 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: and you know what happens over the next eight weeks, 449 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: maybe there is legitimate progress and maybe you just need players. 450 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: You know, d Where didn't fit when they switched to 451 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: the four three. Wasn't anything really wrong with d Where? 452 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: He went to Denver and helped Von Miller, you know, 453 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 1: create a generational type of pass rush that smothered Tom Brady. 454 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 1: So sometimes guys really don't click. You know all that. 455 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: I don't don't need to explain that to you. You 456 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: got it. Let's take our next break when we come back. 457 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: Good discussion. There's a football game happening on Sunday afternoon 458 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 1: at AT and T Stadium, the Pittsburgh Steelers. The undefeated 459 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers are coming to town. We'll talk a little 460 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: bit about that. That might be a brief discussion. One 461 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: that I really want to get into is there's some 462 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: pretty good wide receivers on this team, and we've got 463 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: a pretty good wide receiver on the show with us tonight, right. 464 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: I want to know where he would where he would 465 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: see himself fitting in on this team with this wide 466 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: receiver crew, and also maybe maybe run down what he 467 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: sees out of these wide receivers. And I want to 468 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: know what you think of Cede Lamb and the potential 469 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: there now that we've seen him for half a season. 470 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: So I'm really excited about it. I'm interested to get 471 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: your take. Patrick. We'll take our second break when we 472 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: come back. We'll get to all that and more. You're 473 00:28:16,960 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: listening to Cowboys Cross Talk on the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network. 474 00:29:21,320 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: When to s WBC Mortgages Cowboys Cross Talk yet broadcasting 475 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: live from Dallas Cowboys World Headquarters at the Star in Frisco. 476 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: Newton holding it down here at the Star in Frisco, 477 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: live in the studio. Gavin Dawson joining us from one 478 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: oh five three the Fan and Patrick Creighton joining us 479 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: from somewhere in Lewisville. Welcome back to the show. Let's 480 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: get into wide receiver talk. Let's just jump right into it. Patrick, 481 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: why not What do you see out of this wide 482 00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: receiver corps? Positives, negatives? And then I want you to 483 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: tell me what you're seeing out of CD and what 484 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: you think the ceiling is for CD. He forgot, what's that? 485 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: And wherever you fit? I first, Oh boy, if I'm there, 486 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: we got to run a lot of four wives, okay, because, uh, 487 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: you know one thing that uh A lot of people 488 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: I don't think realize that we actually, I believe led 489 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: the league at one point in three receiver sets when 490 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: I was playing. So that helps. That helps, you know, 491 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: because they're bringing in dbs, Well, we could block dbs 492 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: all day long in Nickel, you know, nickel backers and everything. 493 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: We can block them all day long, you know, but 494 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: if if, if they're not bringing those guys in and 495 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: you don't know how to use them, because we could 496 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: actually run and pass the ball with threat both ways, 497 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: and we did have a quarterback. So right now they're 498 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: in a situation to where it's it's rough. It is 499 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: very very rough. But the ceiling for CD I think 500 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: it's very high. I think it's very high for Michael 501 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: Gallup as well. You know, I love a lot what 502 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: I'm seeing. I think all three of our receivers have 503 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: a certain bit of a dog in them. I think 504 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: they all want the ball. That's a big exting, and 505 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: you can tell once they get the ball, they're not 506 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: usually going down with just one guy, but Jord the time, 507 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: it's gonna take two guys to bring him down, and 508 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: so they turn the running back, especially Michael Gallup. I mean, 509 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: if you look at it, he's a he's a strong kid, 510 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: and some of his down the field catches that he's 511 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: made this year have been very, very extraordinary. CD is 512 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: I think they're still trying to find their place of 513 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: how exactly they want to use him all the time 514 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: within the offense right now, they're using him as the 515 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: he's more of the true slide work, a little bit 516 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: in the middle field work, the intermediate routes. But the 517 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: guy they keep forgetting about as a market and it's 518 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: crazy how they just don't get him involved early. You know, 519 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: Maria has a tendency sometimes if you don't get him 520 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: involved early, he will check out mentally at times. That's 521 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 1: that's that's that's one of his downfalls. That's one of 522 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: the things that's always been said. Because you can see it. 523 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: You can see it. You have to get guys like 524 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,879 Speaker 1: that involved in the game plan early. I don't care 525 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: if it's a motion and you can throw it right 526 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: now what we would call it like a smoke rat 527 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: or if you throw one of those screens with just 528 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,439 Speaker 1: him another receiver out there and it's two on one. 529 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: He gotta make one guy miss receiver blocks the other guy. 530 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:29,439 Speaker 1: Have you got to get him the ball. You gotta 531 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: get him the ball, get it to him early. Gavin, 532 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: what do you what's your opinion on the receivers the 533 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: Trio so far through this season. I think they're great, 534 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: you know, I think they have three legitimate number ones. 535 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask Patrick Crayton more about Michael Gallup, 536 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 1: because that's maybe one of my favorites, and I just 537 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: feel like he gets the most out of the least 538 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: even though he doesn't have a you know, some of 539 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 1: the traits of the superstars. I think he just figures 540 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: out a way to get it done just as good. Hey, 541 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: every every week I try to tell these guys create Gavin, 542 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: that's my man. Number thirteen, that's my man. And as 543 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,800 Speaker 1: much as I like Amari and his subtleness of doing 544 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,399 Speaker 1: things and making things look easy and how ceedee Loum, 545 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: I think got the most dog out all of them, 546 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: especially going to get his third third corners every game 547 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 1: and linebackers. He crushing folks. He's doing what he's supposed 548 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: to do. But somehow, some way, Gallup always find a 549 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: way to come up with the biggest of plays at 550 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 1: the biggest of time. And my question to both of 551 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,800 Speaker 1: you guys, especially you Craid, can we get more from Gallup? 552 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: Does he have more to give? Yeah? Absolutely, I think 553 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,879 Speaker 1: I think one thing that you have to do with 554 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:54,359 Speaker 1: a lot of these receivers and the creativity that you 555 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: don't see with some offensive coordinators that really kills me, 556 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 1: because when you have three receivers like this, you have 557 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 1: to make them interchangeable. You can do a lot more 558 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: emotions and a lot more formations and put them in 559 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: different spots so the DBS and the defense can't key 560 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: on where they're gonna be every time. I think Sunday night, 561 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: Michael Gallup caught what four of those just quick passes 562 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,879 Speaker 1: right now? They were all to the left, I think 563 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 1: except for one one might have been to the right, 564 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: but they were all to the left. And I'm just like, 565 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: so we're just gonna keep throwing. It's like, now, I 566 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 1: get it. They're stacking eight nine in the box throwing. Now. 567 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: It's an extension of the running game. And you know, 568 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 1: you can do a lot more emotions, and you could 569 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: put a slot on his side with him actually going 570 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: in motion versus CD being the one always going in motion, 571 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: or versa MARII. You have to move them around so 572 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:44,919 Speaker 1: the defense can say, Okay, what are they doing now? 573 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: Who's running this right, who's running the other app right? 574 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 1: What have you seen? Patrick? That's a good point. We 575 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 1: hear how creative Kellen Moore is, and you know, Mike 576 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,919 Speaker 1: McCarthy's a offensive genius. You said that that's the word 577 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: on the street. That's what we're being old. So that's 578 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 1: what I want to ask you is is from your 579 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: point of view, are you seeing all this creativity or 580 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: you are? You think it's being underused? And like you said, 581 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,400 Speaker 1: you're seeing a lot of the same stuff over and 582 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 1: over and they're not utilizing formations emotion like they should 583 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: be with this talent that they have on offense. I 584 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 1: think what has, hopefully this is the reason that has 585 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: stopped the creativity bug within Kellen Moore's head. It is 586 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: because he doesn't have his quarterback. But I wasn't seeing 587 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: a ton of creativity when he had that, so I'm 588 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 1: not sure about the creativity. That's the word around town? Um? 589 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: Is that the word around like the locker room? That's 590 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 1: the word around his locker or? I promise right? What 591 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: what street is that on? That's the word? I haven't 592 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: been that one because that Cowboys Way? Is that Tom 593 00:37:53,080 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: Hickman Boulevard? That's it's John Hickman Boulevard. John, Yes, yeah, yeah, Davin, 594 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 1: what do you see? I mean, how do you feel 595 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 1: about this? Well? I like how they are passing on 596 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,400 Speaker 1: first down more. I like how they're using play action, 597 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 1: more bunches and stacks. There's you know, a lot of things, 598 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: and we could get into data and analytics that kind 599 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,359 Speaker 1: of show these are the things that winning offenses are 600 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: doing that give you a better chance of scoring on 601 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 1: your drives and passing on first down to a big one. 602 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,799 Speaker 1: The Cowboys are doing a ton of that. What I 603 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: was gonna ask you guys, though, is now that the 604 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: season has gone so bad and you have your third 605 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 1: and maybe fourth or fifth string quarterbacks in there, do 606 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,879 Speaker 1: you abandon that and just try your best shot with 607 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,279 Speaker 1: running and try to get some scoring drives, or do 608 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: you keep passing it knowing fumbles and picks are bound 609 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 1: to happen with the news or Cooper rushback there. I 610 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: knew this was to say, I love this talk. You 611 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:57,320 Speaker 1: know what, I will let the quarterback in his ability 612 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:02,279 Speaker 1: dictate that the quarterback has that capability in that mindset, 613 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,800 Speaker 1: which Ben Knute did not have this fast week because 614 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,960 Speaker 1: a couple of times he was overwhelmed. I would have 615 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 1: stocked with the run game, minuster reverse, Yeah, my god, 616 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,879 Speaker 1: what about the double reverse off? Hey, the one way 617 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 1: the kid kept number twenty? Yeah, that should have been 618 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: our last one right there, then the last one, I 619 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,719 Speaker 1: almost went my almost went my gun, say pull nine out, 620 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,320 Speaker 1: shot my toes off. I didn't pull my brains. I 621 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 1: wanted to torch myself. Yes, what do you think about 622 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,359 Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson getting back there throwing it around? Would you 623 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 1: you'd like to be involved in some trick players? Like that? 624 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 1: Wasn't you with the option to run or pass it? Absolutely? 625 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: But I think there's a time for it. Yes it is. 626 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,879 Speaker 1: And that wasn't it? And that wasn't it. That wasn't 627 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: the time for it, Like like the timing's off. He's like, 628 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 1: he's like calling plays like if you want to go 629 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: talk to a girl and you go with the time 630 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 1: where she's eating, Yeah, that's the wrong time killing I'm 631 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 1: not gonna do that. That's not the time. Hey, you 632 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:16,720 Speaker 1: know what bothered me? And see you? I got Isaiah 633 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 1: standback sitting in there with me while we're doing these shows, 634 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 1: and Isaiah said they're not for the try reverse past 635 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:30,839 Speaker 1: and then prefit. I'm like, yes, oh my god. You 636 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 1: guys want to go to that topic of Mike McCarthy 637 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 1: taking over play calling a little bit, That's what it 638 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 1: sounds like to me. Brother, you got. Yeah, you got 639 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,399 Speaker 1: your man. How far you want to go with it? Gavin, Hey, 640 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,399 Speaker 1: tell tell me all about it. I love this one. 641 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 1: You wait a minute, Nate, you've been saying this since 642 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:49,799 Speaker 1: maybe when he was high. I was so pumped up 643 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: when he said, I mean, I gave with my play 644 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: calling and I'll never do that again. And two weeks later, 645 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:02,760 Speaker 1: you want to see a fat man deflated like it was, y'all, y'all, y'all, 646 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 1: y'all see men in black with the later cut the 647 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 1: man to half, and he just I could not believe that, 648 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:15,280 Speaker 1: because that's what you're paying for right there, recognizing stuff 649 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,359 Speaker 1: the games. So, Nate, do you take that over? If 650 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,919 Speaker 1: you're him, do you take that over? Now? I don't 651 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,319 Speaker 1: think he can. I don't think he can because mister 652 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 1: Jones will be like, come on, we don't got halfway 653 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 1: through the season, but me, that is my expert tease. 654 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 1: And before him and Aaron split, and before Aaron got 655 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,200 Speaker 1: all his knowledge and pushed him out the door. Yeah, 656 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 1: it's nowhere in the world. You got a young Dak, 657 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,800 Speaker 1: you got a young Keller. Moore showed them the way, 658 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,279 Speaker 1: showed them the way with three receivers. He has never 659 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 1: had in his time at Green Bay three receivers and 660 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: at the time before Zeke started funnily that type of 661 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,400 Speaker 1: running back. Come on, man, I've seen him do it 662 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,239 Speaker 1: with two officers, a lins and and one's perceived. But 663 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 1: come on, Donald's driver, Come on now, you could think 664 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 1: he couldn't have worked magic with Okay, all right, you 665 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,400 Speaker 1: know what you did this? You did you did this. 666 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 1: You brought him up. I wasn't gonna bring him up 667 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 1: on this show, but you brought Zeke up. Okay, that's 668 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: now it's a little disappointed. Now we're gonna we're gonna 669 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,720 Speaker 1: take a break because I need you to think about 670 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,719 Speaker 1: where we're gonna go with this. Okay, because Zeke is 671 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,319 Speaker 1: Zeke is Okay, he's your guy too, Gavin, He's also 672 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 1: Nate's guy. So yeah, but Zeke, he don't sold him 673 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 1: down the roll for this. Let's talk about Zeke. What's 674 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 1: going on with Zeke. Let's talk. Maybe we'll talk about 675 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh game, maybe we'll talk about some other stuff. 676 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,840 Speaker 1: We're gonna take our last break. You were listening to 677 00:42:46,920 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 1: Cowboys Cross Talk on the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network. Play 678 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:57,800 Speaker 1: to s WBC Mortgages Cowboys Cross Talk about broadcasting live 679 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:02,200 Speaker 1: from Dallas Cowboys World Headquarters at the Star in Frisco. 680 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:07,480 Speaker 1: Cowboys Cross Talk Nate Newton, Shannon Gross, Gavin Dawson, Patrick Creighton. 681 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,600 Speaker 1: Our very special guest, s WBC Mortgage customized solutions to 682 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,440 Speaker 1: help you meet your personal and business goals. Visit SWBC 683 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,319 Speaker 1: dot com. But wait until after the show. That way 684 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,320 Speaker 1: you can focus all of your attention on it, because 685 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,800 Speaker 1: we need your attention for the next ten minutes. You know, 686 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,600 Speaker 1: And I want to say this that before we get 687 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,000 Speaker 1: out of the show, Man, but I see your mama 688 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,280 Speaker 1: talked you right, and put something behind that old pretty 689 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:35,200 Speaker 1: white uh chairboy, put something on that. Put that Patrick, 690 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 1: before we get into Zeke talk. Who was the best 691 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:46,520 Speaker 1: wide receiver you ever played with? Ar lawns Plan? Is 692 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,520 Speaker 1: that a real question? Yeah, it was a real question. 693 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,600 Speaker 1: I just wanted to know. I wanted to make sure. 694 00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,160 Speaker 1: I just want to make sure. Who do you? Who 695 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,120 Speaker 1: do you? Who do you? Who do you admire the 696 00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,440 Speaker 1: game today? Who do you like watching? Oh? I love 697 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:04,240 Speaker 1: watching Hopkins watching? Yes, love watching Hopkins, love watching Julio? 698 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,799 Speaker 1: When who when Julio is healthy? Julio Hopkins are the 699 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,719 Speaker 1: top two receivers in the game today, thank you, thank you. 700 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,759 Speaker 1: I don't even think it's really just close. But those 701 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,880 Speaker 1: are the top two receivers I believe that are in 702 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:23,120 Speaker 1: the game today because they've been doing stuff, especially Hopkins. 703 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,120 Speaker 1: He was doing stuff with five Day for quarterback before 704 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,880 Speaker 1: shann watching out there. He was still putting up a 705 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,240 Speaker 1: thousand yards and it didn't even matter who was sticking him. 706 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,440 Speaker 1: He didn't have another receiver on the other side of him, 707 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,440 Speaker 1: it didn't matter. And Julio, Julio is healthy. I mean 708 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,839 Speaker 1: he's got Matt Ryan of course, but yeah, I don't 709 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,680 Speaker 1: think nobody that's an Atlanta fan even believes in Matt 710 00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,919 Speaker 1: Ryan anymore. Uh, he still does his thing. So those 711 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,719 Speaker 1: those are two of my top guys to watch. I'm man, 712 00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:54,360 Speaker 1: all right, Nate, you guy, Zeke. What's going on? Is 713 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,880 Speaker 1: he is he? Is he losing a step? You know? 714 00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 1: Pollard's getting more carries. Now to me, just the eye test. Now, 715 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,400 Speaker 1: I'm not a big film guy, I'm not I'm not 716 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,359 Speaker 1: a broadest guy. I'm not a Nate guy. But just 717 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,880 Speaker 1: the eyeball test. He's not breaking tackles like he used to. 718 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:14,200 Speaker 1: He's not making that first guy miss is something going on. 719 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,759 Speaker 1: Talk to me about Zekeam worry, Okay, I'm still loving Zeke. 720 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,360 Speaker 1: It's Zeke, the guy we saw the first two years 721 00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:27,520 Speaker 1: breaking sixty fifty forty yard runs. No, but he he 722 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,360 Speaker 1: was coming into this year. I watched him in a 723 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,520 Speaker 1: couple of practice. He's seemed to had a little bit 724 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,600 Speaker 1: of zeal back to him, especially as his competition as 725 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,520 Speaker 1: Polar so he had a little zeal to him. Okay, 726 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,959 Speaker 1: but he's lost all of that zeal because you lose 727 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,240 Speaker 1: your office now all of a sudden. Now he thinks 728 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:47,120 Speaker 1: he's a battering ram. You can't survive. I don't care 729 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,000 Speaker 1: how great you think you are. Renber one guy that 730 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:51,800 Speaker 1: was a battering round and made it, and that was 731 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,680 Speaker 1: Walter Payton. Other than that, even Earl camera if you 732 00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,680 Speaker 1: see him now, yeah, he paid a heavy price. Zeke 733 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,359 Speaker 1: got to get his head up, get his mind right 734 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,120 Speaker 1: because the farm is affecting what he's done. What he's 735 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:10,200 Speaker 1: doing now. Zeke still has something that Superstar Noel star, Yes, 736 00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,120 Speaker 1: Superstar Noel. Yeah. Gavin Nate said that you're you're you're 737 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:19,839 Speaker 1: selling on Zeke, Is that right? I know I've been 738 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,279 Speaker 1: a big fan of Zeke, and I don't think he's 739 00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,280 Speaker 1: been the same player since his rookie year. I think 740 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,080 Speaker 1: the fact that the offensive line can't create holes. I 741 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,600 Speaker 1: want your thoughts on this though, Nate and Patrick, because 742 00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't play the game, and I'm not 743 00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,560 Speaker 1: like brought us. I don't scout. But my thought is, 744 00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,959 Speaker 1: you know, he's a little bit of a slower guy 745 00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,799 Speaker 1: now and he needs bigger holes to really get that 746 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,920 Speaker 1: momentum going and then boom, I'm through. I'm a run 747 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,560 Speaker 1: over a linebacker, where Tony Pollard might be the kind 748 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,880 Speaker 1: of guy who can quickly get in there and be 749 00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,759 Speaker 1: slippery if a block holds, you know, for just a 750 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,440 Speaker 1: second and a half. You know. So I'm curious. I 751 00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,920 Speaker 1: want to see maybe what other players could do. And 752 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,879 Speaker 1: and I'm sorry to say that about my guy, Zeke, 753 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,280 Speaker 1: but the longer we go in football, the shorter running 754 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,319 Speaker 1: back careers are getting. You know who that signed for 755 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,799 Speaker 1: big money has lasted two years and still been worth it. 756 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:14,560 Speaker 1: I don't think we've seen one in a while now. 757 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,680 Speaker 1: Todd Gurley, David Johnson, Levy on Bell. It's part of 758 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,160 Speaker 1: the sad reality. I'm just happy he got super paid 759 00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,560 Speaker 1: and I'll keep my fingers crossed that you know they 760 00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,480 Speaker 1: can get to paving the opening up those kind of 761 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,680 Speaker 1: holes that that he can run through it and and the 762 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,520 Speaker 1: house again. Out of all of those you named, don't 763 00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:32,799 Speaker 1: count bail out. Thank uh yeah, Patrick, would you with 764 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,239 Speaker 1: the I guess with the youth movement that we were 765 00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,560 Speaker 1: talking about, would you give would you give Pollard more 766 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,960 Speaker 1: touches going forward just to see what you have in 767 00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,360 Speaker 1: that space and maybe save Zeke a little bit? Or 768 00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,600 Speaker 1: Zeke still your your bell cow that you would go 769 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,520 Speaker 1: to from here on out the rest of the season. 770 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,320 Speaker 1: Why am I saving a running back I just paid? 771 00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,400 Speaker 1: Thank you? Why am I sing somebody need to be 772 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:59,600 Speaker 1: if he had a complimentary back, he's a number one 773 00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,520 Speaker 1: to hell, but get your highest paid you want the 774 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,000 Speaker 1: highest paid backs, if not the highest paid back in 775 00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,839 Speaker 1: the league. Why why would I save him? No, we're 776 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,040 Speaker 1: gonna run him to the wheels fall up. Seriously, I 777 00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,680 Speaker 1: don't sometimes I don't understand offensive meaning we gotta we 778 00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,160 Speaker 1: gotta watch carriers. No, we're gonna give him twenty twenty 779 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,719 Speaker 1: five carries a game. Somehow you have to wear this 780 00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,239 Speaker 1: defense down that you're playing against, and with the quarterback situation. 781 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,600 Speaker 1: They gotta do their job up front. There has to 782 00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,879 Speaker 1: do one job, and it's to help move this ball 783 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:31,839 Speaker 1: up and down the field. And if you can't get 784 00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:34,400 Speaker 1: your job done, and somehow we're gonna have to find 785 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,920 Speaker 1: somebody else to come in here to get the job 786 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,520 Speaker 1: done for you. I mean, that's just that's just playing 787 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,839 Speaker 1: it simple. But I'm not saving my star running back. 788 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,319 Speaker 1: It's not a trophy on the shelf that I just 789 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,440 Speaker 1: polish up. No, I need him putting much shoes on 790 00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,239 Speaker 1: goloshes and going out in the rain and getting it done. 791 00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,040 Speaker 1: How many years when you're in the per sales, I 792 00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,120 Speaker 1: was three on the four sales, Yeah, because I was. 793 00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:58,719 Speaker 1: I was through it four in the gym. And it's 794 00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,960 Speaker 1: the same talk. Yeah, I remember. Jimmy used to tell people, 795 00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:06,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna limit Emmett down to about nineteen touches, about 796 00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:12,120 Speaker 1: two or three passes games games after the game, and 797 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,040 Speaker 1: I have thirty touches. They're like, man, we are you 798 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,839 Speaker 1: trying to save nobody? Who? You know? It's time to run, Nate. 799 00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,000 Speaker 1: I need I need you to do something for me, 800 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,360 Speaker 1: need you and Patrick to do something for me. And 801 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,960 Speaker 1: I'm probably asking you to do something that's not possible. 802 00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,200 Speaker 1: I need you guys to give me some hope for 803 00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,560 Speaker 1: this weekend with the Steelers coming in town. Can the 804 00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,839 Speaker 1: Cowboys pull off a miracle? Is there any Should you 805 00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:37,439 Speaker 1: just take it for what it is and be like, Okay, 806 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,080 Speaker 1: let's just move on to the next week, or do 807 00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,680 Speaker 1: you have any hope at all that they can make 808 00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,360 Speaker 1: this a let's just say, a competitive game this weekend. 809 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:50,920 Speaker 1: In his defense, he was left unsupervised go first exactly, 810 00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:58,080 Speaker 1: and I'm about to give you a So, so let's 811 00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,560 Speaker 1: just say this. You say you will hope with this game. 812 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,759 Speaker 1: The Steelers just went on the road and beat the 813 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:09,880 Speaker 1: mess side of Baltimore and limited the former MVP. So 814 00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,160 Speaker 1: I think one hundred and seventy yards passing maybe if 815 00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:18,360 Speaker 1: that much, two interceptions fum and two interceptions. Uh, let's 816 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:26,480 Speaker 1: just say I'm starting Ben Roethlisberg on my fantasy team. Gavin, 817 00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,359 Speaker 1: do you have any hope? Can you give me some hope? Man? 818 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:35,000 Speaker 1: I don't you know the Steelers defense is great? I no, 819 00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,520 Speaker 1: there's not. You know. I guess it's Cheeto coming back 820 00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,279 Speaker 1: and Sean Lee's gonna play. Maybe you can keep under 821 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,720 Speaker 1: this Steelers team has scored twenty six against every opponent. 822 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,480 Speaker 1: They've scored thirty eight twice. They're gonna get to thirty. 823 00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,520 Speaker 1: I don't think the Cowboys get to double digits. Oh god, 824 00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,560 Speaker 1: damn that shut Gavin. So we can't get more than nine. 825 00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,040 Speaker 1: I don't think so. No, well, you're not against this 826 00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:02,759 Speaker 1: defensee Hey, we're at home. We might have Cooper rush 827 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,560 Speaker 1: behind center. We we can't get a touchdown and a 828 00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:11,560 Speaker 1: half can't get there. I mean, hey, Sag, you know 829 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,440 Speaker 1: they had a couple of good drives last week when 830 00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,440 Speaker 1: they were behind Zach Martin and Collinsworth was talking about 831 00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,759 Speaker 1: it and how can something there? Can zeke go for 832 00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,960 Speaker 1: a buck seventy five and silence the haters? There's your hope. 833 00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,960 Speaker 1: I don't give you some hope never mind, you know, 834 00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:29,960 Speaker 1: but I like working for the Cowboy. No, Nate go ahead, Yeah, 835 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,560 Speaker 1: I mean he just asks we run the ball behind 836 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,360 Speaker 1: Zach Martin. Yes we can five, three, five, six, five 837 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:42,439 Speaker 1: and reverse Yeah, yeah, okay. It don't take the one 838 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:47,399 Speaker 1: negative play to get a defense going. And every time 839 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,319 Speaker 1: we was four for sixteen on third down, every time 840 00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,880 Speaker 1: we would have success, we would do something play calling 841 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,480 Speaker 1: wise to knock us back and that cannot happen from 842 00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,839 Speaker 1: a coach. We got about a minute and a half. 843 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,680 Speaker 1: Fella's name, that's all the positivity I have. Thank you 844 00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,200 Speaker 1: for bringing that little bit of positivity that you had. 845 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,080 Speaker 1: Positive Mike McCarthy should call the play? Sounds like there 846 00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,120 Speaker 1: you go. Yes, that's what that sounds like. You know what. 847 00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,920 Speaker 1: I got one bit of positive, got one bit of positive. 848 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,560 Speaker 1: I'm here for it. Can they turn the game on 849 00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:25,120 Speaker 1: Sunday on Mad rookie mode? Boost get a boost? And 850 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:29,440 Speaker 1: were in there and we are in there? Kind of 851 00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,359 Speaker 1: looked like you were watching Mad last week with all 852 00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,000 Speaker 1: those crazy plays and not knowing who was in what 853 00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,640 Speaker 1: position and all that stuff. Didn't they ask the coach 854 00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,919 Speaker 1: at halftime, what are you planning to do coming back out? 855 00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:46,279 Speaker 1: We got a few more plays left? Wow? Six? All right? 856 00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,160 Speaker 1: We got about a minute left. Nate score prediction for 857 00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,839 Speaker 1: this weekend. I ain't never picked the Copoys losing. I 858 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:57,080 Speaker 1: never will, but I never have a score either. Good prediction, Gavin, 859 00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,239 Speaker 1: what are you thinking? Don't do this to me? Thirty 860 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:07,719 Speaker 1: eight to three? Steelers? What what? Gavin? Come on man? Yeah? Three? Okay? 861 00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,040 Speaker 1: Last week I nailed the Cowboys exact point total. The 862 00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,120 Speaker 1: week before that, I nailed the margin of victory, which 863 00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,000 Speaker 1: was twenty five points. Bay. You let you leave Gavin alone, 864 00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,160 Speaker 1: let him go with that. I let you go, But 865 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,200 Speaker 1: I want to give m another shot. How about you, Craig. 866 00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:27,759 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say the defense is gonna have their best 867 00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:32,840 Speaker 1: output of the season. Okay, okay, best applet of the season. 868 00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,120 Speaker 1: I'm excited. I'm starting Ben Roethlisberger and they're at least 869 00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,000 Speaker 1: gonna get one pick and Connor's gonna get at least 870 00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,879 Speaker 1: a fumble. Okay, they're gonna they're gonna strip ju Ju 871 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,160 Speaker 1: of one. We're gonna go twenty one, seventeen down. Here 872 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:50,680 Speaker 1: you go on the show, Gavin dot Shannon has been 873 00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,920 Speaker 1: Cowboys Cross Talk. See you next week. This has been 874 00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,120 Speaker 1: a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas 875 00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:58,400 Speaker 1: Cowboys football clubs.