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Speaker 6: Welcome to the show. And how are you doing this morning?

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Speaker 6: I guess afternoon?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for having me. Yeah, I believe it or not.

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Speaker 4: I did wake up this a little bit early for me,

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Speaker 4: but yeah, I was so pleased to have Mike. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: connections and everything I've been listening. I just listened to

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Speaker 4: the episode, the most recent episode I think that Mike

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Speaker 4: was on. Just oh yes, all out to my little recon.

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Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, I listened to a podcast that you are

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Speaker 6: on talking about ayahuasca and entrepreneurship and stuff.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, listen, I do my research too.

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Speaker 4: Talking about ayahuasca.

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Speaker 6: I guess, you know, to kind of start us off,

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Speaker 7: Too far?

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I I call myself like an advisor,

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Speaker 4: used as someone who like kind of sits with people

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Speaker 4: I help them prepare, get in the right headspace, that

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Speaker 4: I'm someone who can kind of help them process what's

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Speaker 4: other books since. But he he was on Duncan Trussell's

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Speaker 4: And he was like, well, I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 4: you very well, but if I were you, I drink ayahuasca.

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Speaker 4: So through a beautiful set of circumstances. Uh, some very

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Speaker 7: What what was your doctor like? Yes? That work? That

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00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:34,919
Speaker 7: is awesome?

435
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 6: Like what what else can I do to help you?

436
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 6: Or was it like what what do they think?

437
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 4: Well? I had a you know, when I lived in Boston,

438
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 4: I moved to Arkansas and actually I moved into Wahawka,

439
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 4: Mexico in a few months.

440
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Speaker 7: Oh wow, the home.

441
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 4: Of the mushroom. So I'm going to be working with us. Yeah,

442
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 4: I'm going to be working with an indigenous crow and

443
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 4: my estra there and see like what it's like to

444
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 4: do mushroom surreal. But I my doctor's like just incredible.

445
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 4: I mean she's really like, first of all, she's trans

446
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 4: so she's not just going to be some regular, you know,

447
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 4: basic doctor, but she's also kind of a shaman in

448
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 4: her own right. She went and got her acupuncture license.

449
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 4: She does chigong. She would do like meditations with me

450
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 4: and like clearings and stuff. So she's very like. I

451
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 4: mean I would go to her for like doctor doctor stuff,

452
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 4: but ninety percent of what we did was like you know,

453
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 4: other alternative quote alternative medicine. But yeah, but she's also

454
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 4: like a legit doctor, and so she was great, you know,

455
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 4: and she was just kind of amazed and she I

456
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 4: think she kind of understood the logic, you know, because

457
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 4: all of these because Western medicine is like it's an anomaly.

458
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 4: You know, Western civilization is an anomaly. I mean every

459
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,120
Speaker 4: other culture has deemed these medicines as sacred and as medicine,

460
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 4: and we're like, it's a drug. Let's throw people in

461
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Speaker 4: jail forever.

462
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Speaker 6: We didn't we didn't patent this drugs, so uh, this

463
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 6: is illegal all right until the copyright expires.

464
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know we're we're the ones with like the

465
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Speaker 4: god that's like a very petulant little dress, you know,

466
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 4: like we're you know, you go to Asia and they're like, yeah,

467
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 4: yeah they're Buddhist, I'm Hindu. It's chill whatever were the

468
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 4: sacred site? Like, you know, just like no, they must die.

469
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Speaker 6: We need to also control all the laws. It's not

470
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Speaker 6: just it's not just our bible.

471
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 7: We need you to do it.

472
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 4: Too exactly. Yeah. So you know, so I think her

473
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 4: studying different shamanic practices and going deep into Chinese medicine

474
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 4: and understanding kind of that logic of uh, the energetic

475
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 4: realm and meridians and you know, just kind of just

476
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 4: that whole more holistic, uh paradigm of healing. You know,

477
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 4: when I described I yawatska it, you know, it made

478
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 4: logical sense to her why it was helping me. And

479
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 4: I mean it was wild because at one point in

480
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 4: my illness, I was taking like thirty tolls a day.

481
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 4: Oh wow, you know, because they just they just keep

482
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 4: piling it on real like, everything just sets off something

483
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 4: that makes you have to take.

484
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 3: Another pill to the side effect this and the side

485
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Speaker 3: effect of that. Because sometimes in the me and Roger

486
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 3: talked about this in the commercials, by the.

487
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Speaker 8: Time they read the two minute.

488
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Speaker 3: Side effect, I'd be like, ooh, I might as well

489
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 3: kept what I originally had.

490
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah.

491
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 6: Like I love when it's a commercial for a medicine

492
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 6: and the side effect is the thing that the medicine

493
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 6: is supposed to help, where it's like, oh yeah, it

494
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 6: will help with because you know, the beginnings, like you're sad,

495
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 6: you're looking out a window. Then at some point you

496
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 6: take the drug. You're smiling, you got a dog, you're

497
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 6: hanging out with your family. Everything's cool for like forty

498
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 6: five seconds, and it's like, Yo, this is finally we

499
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 6: broke through on this. And it's like, oh, if you

500
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 6: have all the side effects right, and then one of

501
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 6: them is always like thoughts of suicide, I'm like, wait.

502
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 8: Yes, that's the drug.

503
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 6: The drug was both. That was the whole point of

504
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 6: the drug. How would I even know that. I'm like, so, yeah,

505
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 6: it is kind of scary, but it's what I think.

506
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 6: What's funny is like if I say LSD, someone will

507
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 6: be like, oh, the side effect it'll make you like

508
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 6: see your drag and drive your car for a bridge

509
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 6: thirty years later.

510
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 7: And I'm like, yeah, okay, let's say that is a

511
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 7: side effect. Let's just say that one out of every

512
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Speaker 7: million people do that.

513
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Speaker 9: Whatever the drugs on TV, they're telling you two minutes

514
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 9: of stuff, like it's not even just one thing, and

515
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 9: they're like, yeah, you're gonna if you get high blood pressure,

516
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 9: you don't feel like eating, if you you get.

517
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 7: Ain't no leagage or whatever. You're just like, this is

518
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 7: just going and going and going.

519
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 4: No, you gotta love some good old rectal bleeding, right, Yeah.

520
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 4: You know the thing is, you know, I feel like,

521
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 4: you know, in our culture, we were really sort of

522
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 4: trained to not think deeply and to not think about

523
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 4: the thing behind the thing that's not quite so visible,

524
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 4: you know. I mean we talk about root causes and

525
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 4: stuff like that, but you know, a lot of these

526
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 4: things are in a way it's like neutral, you know,

527
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 4: like it's like money. You can use it to donate

528
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 4: to help someone who is hungry, or you can use

529
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 4: it to like you know, buy bombs to you know,

530
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 4: kill people. And these medicines are no different. You know,

531
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 4: you can use them really irresponsibly to where you're hurting

532
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 4: other people and really making other people's lives less happy

533
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 4: and satisfying. But you can also use them to like

534
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 4: really deal with your shit, right and you know, become

535
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 4: an easier person to be around and to be just

536
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 4: more healed and more at peace with who you are.

537
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 4: And you know, it's all about that unseen context behind it,

538
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 4: and so much is about intention, and it's really hard

539
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 4: because the you know, it is a completely different paradigm

540
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 4: and it does I think, really require you to move

541
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 4: out of your you know, you know, we talk about

542
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 4: you know, how it takes you out of your comfort

543
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 4: zone and stuff, but like to take you out of

544
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 4: your cultural comfort zone, to take you out of your

545
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 4: identity in a culture where you are so that's what

546
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 4: you are, Like you know, you're you're gay, you're this race,

547
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 4: you're what, you know whatever, And you know the healing

548
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 4: is really underneath all of that, and it's not you know,

549
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 4: it's true that you're these things, and it's true that

550
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 4: you don't want to like spiritual bypass or whatever and

551
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 4: ignore what's going on in society. But you know, the

552
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 4: trick I think is to balance those two levels of

553
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 4: like what our existence really is. And that's that's like

554
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 4: hard requires that you need.

555
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 6: I need that mindfulness. You gotta like have a little

556
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 6: bit of empathy. Like it's it's harder than just like

557
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 6: you know, this is just mass and I'm only worried

558
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 6: about that, or here's this pill they gave me.

559
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 7: I mean, you said they gave you.

560
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 6: Fentanyl finanel right away or first and you only did

561
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 6: it one day and we look up now and I

562
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 6: mean it's a crisis opioids. So like even within the

563
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 6: medical industry where we're calling these people experts. A lot

564
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 6: of experts got people like hooked on drugs that like

565
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 6: totally disrupted their lives to the point where we had

566
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 6: to call it a crisis in America, like it was

567
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:30,959
Speaker 6: that bad.

568
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 7: That's from the medical industry.

569
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 6: And yet the fear mongerine is still around mushrooms, ayahuasca,

570
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 6: you know, like it's like weed.

571
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 7: You know, people still fear market with that.

572
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 6: And you're like, I don't know, it seemed like regular

573
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 6: drugs kind of scary too. Last time people aren't rolling

574
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 6: around with nark narkan or whatever because everyone's doing ayahuaska trips.

575
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 7: It's because of stuff which was they got.

576
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 8: You know, yeah, and and something else. I realized about that.

577
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 3: And this is something me and Roger talked about, particularly

578
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 3: with the fentanyl and stuff. This is and we joked about,

579
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 3: this is one time racism benefited people because they didn't

580
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 3: really get to nobody but white people. White people came

581
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 3: in there. They was like here, here, here, here, here,

582
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 3: you black, brown or other and you walk in there

583
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 3: and like you are like on death bed and they're like, ah,

584
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 3: hits them out of your profen you'll be all right,

585
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 3: you sure you ain't on drugs?

586
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 7: Like that accused you of shit.

587
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 6: It was the idea that one black pain isn't real,

588
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 6: like you're making it up, and then two that black

589
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 6: people are drug addicts.

590
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 7: Right, But somehow it low key saved black people.

591
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 6: From the opioid crisis just because doctors wouldn't prescribe these

592
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 6: hugely addicted things and then messed up a lot of

593
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 6: like Middle America white people. Let me ask you this

594
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 6: about ayahuasca tho. So once you tried it and you

595
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 6: were like I can walk right, did you ever take

596
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 6: some and then like freak out one of your friends,

597
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 6: you know, like cause I think I would have done that.

598
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 7: I would have liked drunks. I would have had them

599
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:55,479
Speaker 7: like come up to that hang out.

600
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 6: I would drink something that got there and then I

601
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 6: would just like you want something from the fridge, and

602
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 6: got up out the chair and got like some out

603
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 6: the friege and is hand them like a beer, sat

604
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 6: back down like nothing have it and just see what they,

605
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 6: you know, like blow their mind.

606
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 7: Did you ever do any pranks with it?

607
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 4: No? No, no, I always took it very seriously because

608
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 4: I was I was in a serious situation, you know,

609
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 4: and you know there are traditions like my friend who

610
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 4: runs the retreat center that I'm a saltara, which I'm

611
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 4: affiliated with. The they bring in indigenous healers from the

612
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 4: Amazon and it's like it's in Costa Rica, so it's

613
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 4: quite nice. But she recently drank with the mestizo population,

614
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 4: you know, because there's all there's like, you know, these tribes,

615
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 4: they've been using it in very different ways. The Shakibo,

616
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 4: to me, from what I understand, are kind of the

617
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 4: most medical, like it's a complete pharmacy, like you know,

618
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 4: because again, like I was saying before, like to me,

619
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 4: you know, ayahuasca is a venue, and it's like ayahuasca

620
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 4: isn't the beginning and the end. It's really a gateway

621
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 4: to working with these other or human plants, most of

622
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 4: which are not psychedelic at all, don't have any hallucinogenic properties,

623
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 4: you know, And it's kind of like like I think

624
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 4: the vyahuasca in a ways like my primary tier physician,

625
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 4: and then you have all these other plants that are

626
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 4: like specialists, you know, Like I mean I've known people

627
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 4: who have literally peed out their uterine fibroids and.

628
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 7: Oh wow, yeah.

629
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,959
Speaker 4: I mean it's really I mean, well, you know it's crazy,

630
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 4: like twenty five percent of our pharmaceuticals come from the

631
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 4: Amazon yep ye, and yet we've only studied like one percent.

632
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 4: And it's like clap, clap, clap, guys, well.

633
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 7: Are there are there?

634
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 6: Is there any like I guess the best way to

635
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 6: say it, like, is there any like hierarchy in the

636
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 6: plant medicine gang? Like are y'all do like do people

637
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 6: look what they're like, Oh, you just on ayahuasca.

638
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 7: You don't even know about ala vero? Okay, So.

639
00:32:55,120 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 10: I see, well you know there are it will So

640
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 10: in the world of ayahuasca, there's something called Dieto's and

641
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 10: that's kind of like a whole other.

642
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 4: Level of initiation where you are working with a plant

643
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 4: uh in the ayahuasca world. And so there are these

644
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 4: things called master plants, and that's how you become a shaman?

645
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 4: Is that you? And it's so like, it's so crazy.

646
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 4: I mean it is really strict, like you are sexually celibate,

647
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 4: but again not in the way that we think of

648
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 4: sexual celibacy, Like you are psychically celibate. You are mastering

649
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 4: your dreams, You're not having sex and dreams. You're waking

650
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 4: your ass up. You are saying no in dreams. You're

651
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 4: not eating sugar in dreams like you are saying no and.

652
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,479
Speaker 7: Just your first how can you so you can control

653
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 7: yourself in the dream? I guess at that level, yeah,

654
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 7: you learn, Oh wow, wow.

655
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 6: Yeah.

656
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 3: I feel like my dreams are like on the rails,

657
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 3: you know, like I'm just watching that happen.

658
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 4: You know, well, you know it's a whole like you know,

659
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 4: waking up right, like I mean, and it's just it's

660
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 4: just being self aware at all levels of consciousness, including

661
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 4: your dreams. And you know, when you first hear about it,

662
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 4: you're like, yeah, that's not a thing. But you learn, and.

663
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 6: I mean I believe in it because I mean I

664
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 6: feel like everyone's had waking dreams like or for me,

665
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 6: what happens is something happens in the dream, and then.

666
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 7: I'm like, uh, this is a dream, all right, you

667
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 7: got me.

668
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 6: I'm out of here, guys, kind I'm wake up and

669
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 6: take a piss.

670
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 7: This is crazy. I feel like it can happen.

671
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 6: I remember when I was a kid, I had a

672
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 6: dream that I realized was a dream because it was

673
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 6: a slice of pizza that was trying to eat me,

674
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 6: and I'm like, y'ah, fucking ridiculous. But then I kind

675
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 6: of went with the dream, like, oh no, let's go.

676
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 6: I want to go on a roller coaster. I want

677
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 6: a roller coaster in my dream and everything, so like

678
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 6: I believe it's possible.

679
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 7: I don't, like, I wasn't knocking it.

680
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 6: I was just saying, like, wow, that that's amazing to

681
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 6: have the discipline in the dream to be like, no,

682
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 6: a specific thing is I don't eat sugar.

683
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 7: Oh this person.

684
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,439
Speaker 6: I might be naked in school, but I'm not having

685
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 6: sex with anybody. I'm just gonna stay in class and

686
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 6: be embarrassed.

687
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, really, the name of the game is

688
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 4: discipline itself mastery, and like another word for that is

689
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 4: just maturity, right, And you know, we've really in our society,

690
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 4: you know again it just being an anomaly. We've really

691
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,959
Speaker 4: treated in experts for elders, you know, like you really

692
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 4: don't meet very many grown ups. You really don't meet

693
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 4: like truly grown ass adults in our society, right, who

694
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 4: you know, really have control over their impulses, people who

695
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 4: really you know, like I try to have cold takes

696
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 4: and not just like that impulsive hot take of like

697
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have an opinion off this even though I

698
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 4: really just heard about it and don't.

699
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, but just that.

700
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 4: That maturity, that of that wisdom, you know, so yeah,

701
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 4: so we really created in wisdom for this sort of

702
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 4: shortsighted academic intelligence.

703
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 6: And I think it also, I think it plays out

704
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 6: in ways that are kind of damaging to our society.

705
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 7: Like I'm not and this is not.

706
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 6: A trying to just strictly defend like Joe Biden, but

707
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 6: the concept of an older person being president it shouldn't

708
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 6: be as like repulsive as people like people find it

709
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 6: like proposal, like what the fucking you know? And I like,

710
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 6: I wonder if other countries where like if a leader

711
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 6: is old, it's like, well, yeah, because they have experience,

712
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 6: they have wisdom, they have knowledge, they may have something

713
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 6: to impart even if we don't vote for them to

714
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 6: be a leader. The idea that you're over a certain age,

715
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 6: go die and leave the rest of us to do it,

716
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 6: it's kind of an interesting thing. And the assumption is

717
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 6: if you're over a certain age, you don't give a

718
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 6: fuck about the rest of us, right, It's never the

719
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 6: assumption of like Oh, yeah, you're a and you're doing

720
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 6: this because you still care about people and you're civically minded, or.

721
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 8: You know, you care about the next generation.

722
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 6: It's like, no, you're doing this because somehow you're gonna

723
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 6: fuck us on the way out. We don't know what

724
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 6: if you want to make money, we don't know why

725
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 6: you want to fuck us on the way out. But

726
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 6: you did a whole lot just to fuck us all

727
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 6: on your way to death.

728
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 7: And I do and I've never thought about that time.

729
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 6: I heard you say that on the other podcast about

730
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 6: trading elders for experts, and I was like, damn, it

731
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 6: kind of is like that.

732
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 7: I'm not saying it's the exact same.

733
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 6: Obviously, it's politics this, you know, it's complicated, but the

734
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 6: idea of just.

735
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 7: Oh bad young good is very American.

736
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 8: Yes it is.

737
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: And for me it's very frustrating because it's one of

738
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 3: those things where if you.

739
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 8: Live long enough, you will get old.

740
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 3: And when you're young, you don't ever think about one

741
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,439
Speaker 3: day I'm gonna be old like that, never, that never

742
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 3: crosses your mind.

743
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 8: When you're in twenty you can't you can't vision forty.

744
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 3: So when you're young, you're like you're old, you don't

745
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 3: know shit, You're gonna die.

746
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 8: You know, your emotions are intense.

747
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 3: I'm the only one that ever experienced these things in

748
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 3: my lifetime and can't nobody never never helped me, And

749
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 3: how could you know. It's like, well, I didn't get

750
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 3: this age, and I didn't live this life without having

751
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 3: any type of experience.

752
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 8: How do you think I got to be forty five?

753
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 3: I just a lot of gagging through life, Like shit

754
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 3: happened in my life that I might be able to

755
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 3: share with you to help you not make mistakes. But

756
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 3: we are a generation like right, just say where it's

757
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 3: a separation where like Joe Biden's age has never been

758
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 3: a problem to me. I'm like, as long as your

759
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 3: mind takes and as long as you could do the job,

760
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 3: I am fine with that. But it's this thing where

761
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 3: everybody harps so bad all the age and.

762
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 6: I said Biden, but honestly it kept everyone. Oh, Like

763
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 6: I remember people were saying this about Al sharpedon ten

764
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 6: fifteen years ago, like why does he just retire? I

765
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 6: was like, a person whose life is dedicated to service

766
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 6: against and fighting against inequality, why don't they just retire that?

767
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 6: Because the same reason why they got into activism in

768
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 6: the first place. They didn't have to do that, they

769
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 6: had they felt a calling. And until he feels he's

770
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 6: unhelpful or unable to do it, he's probably going to

771
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 6: continue to do it. He created a whole network, he's

772
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 6: empower people. It's all this stuff. But but the idea

773
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 6: of just like you go home feels very American. And

774
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 6: it's not a you go home because like you want to.

775
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 6: It's a we're sending you home thing, you know, and

776
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 6: and and like I said, I don't know because I

777
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 6: haven't lived other places, so I don't know that that

778
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 6: is a like if that's a universal thing, not I know,

779
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 6: just being a black person in America, it's not our culture.

780
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 6: Like we value the older people in our well being

781
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 6: from the South too. From this, we value the older

782
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 6: people from the South.

783
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 7: It's like they ship. They the ones that know all

784
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 7: the recipes.

785
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 6: To hand down, like we don't. We don't know how

786
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 6: to make it without them. So it's a very like

787
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 6: there's like a like we we hold a little bit

788
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 6: more reverence. But societally, maybe it's because of CAPITALI it's

789
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 6: because you know, there's a point where you don't produce

790
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 6: as much work for other people to siphon off that

791
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 6: were just like, oh, y'ah, oh go home, go be

792
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 6: a Walmart.

793
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 7: Great, to get the fuck out of here, you know.

794
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and to piggyback on what you said something I

795
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 3: think about and what's funny, particularly with Al Shopton, and

796
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 3: it's like for younger activists, instead of asking him, how

797
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 3: did you.

798
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 8: Get in the game and persevere so long?

799
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 3: You want to get rid of him, which means you're

800
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 3: getting rid of the experience, which means you're getting rid

801
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 3: of the expertise, which means you're getting rid of the connections,

802
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 3: which means you're getting rid of a lot of things.

803
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 3: And a lot of those people that told him to

804
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 3: get out of here, they are no longer in the game.

805
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 3: So it's something about just old people persevering that young

806
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 3: people take for granted because they haven't lived life long

807
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 3: enough to actually understand what it's like to persevere.

808
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 7: All right, Yeah, so I feel you as well.

809
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 3: Well.

810
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean also, you know, other cultures, their old

811
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 4: people are different, and you know, and and you know,

812
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 4: and in terms of like you know, black people in South,

813
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 4: you know, I'm in the South right now, I'm I'm

814
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 4: in northwest Arkansas right now, Okay, And you know it's

815
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 4: when you've been through things. You know, like when you're privileged,

816
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 4: you can stay a baby forever because you know, you

817
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 4: don't have to like pay rent, you don't have to

818
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 4: like do these things that force you to grow old.

819
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 4: You know, you've probably been pretty sheltered, but it's pretty

820
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 4: protected in a lot of ways. And you know, wisdom

821
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 4: is earned, man. You know, it's experience. And if you've

822
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 4: been protected throughout your life through experience, then you know,

823
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 4: you may be eighty, but you're like a five year old,

824
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 4: you know. And I think that's why there's so much

825
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 4: frustration among you know, the younger generations with like the okay,

826
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 4: boomer generation. It's because this is like the most pampered

827
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 4: generation in like maybe the history of the world. I mean,

828
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 4: they have just sucked all the resources from Earth until

829
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 4: like now death. They're hanging on to everything, and it's

830
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 4: just like, you know, the best the best thing you

831
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 4: can do as a guest is to leave when it's time,

832
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 4: you know. And so you know, we have this entire

833
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 4: generation that is a baby because they've never really under.

834
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 6: That's a big part of it too, in the disrespect

835
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 6: that older generations throw a younger generations.

836
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 7: Yes, and then they don't understand the return.

837
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 6: Of the disrespect because a lot of the older generation

838
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 6: came up at a time when the older generation disrespected you,

839
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 6: and that was supposed to be part of like that's

840
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 6: growing up.

841
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 7: You know.

842
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 6: It's like, oh yeah, yeah, my father's alcoholic and came home.

843
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 6: He never fucking talked to me and needs just told

844
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 6: me get a job or going to the army, and he

845
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 6: was mean.

846
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 7: It's so fucking I'm you know, that's the right of passage.

847
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 6: When I get older, I get to be mean to people,

848
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 6: and this younger generation like now, I was like, no,

849
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 6: we're mean to you.

850
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 7: Fuck you. We like our.

851
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 3: Feelings and we guys are sucking up our futures and

852
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: right stuff.

853
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 6: And then the other thing too that that I think

854
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 6: is interesting in a political sense is that we value

855
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 6: the unblemished right, which is a weird thing because blemishes

856
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 6: is also how people learn right. Like for like, specifically

857
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 6: Joe Biden, people would knock that his son was on drugs,

858
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 6: and I'm like, there's a lot of families with someone.

859
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 7: Had a drug addict in their family.

860
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 6: Yes, and they learned a lot from that, one of

861
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 6: those things being empathy. Oh, one of his sons died.

862
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 6: Well that I don't know why you think that's like

863
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 6: a knock on that person. That's there's things you learn

864
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 6: from that, that's things you learn about death, things you

865
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 6: learn about life, all that stuff. So, like I said,

866
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 6: I I just it's not to defend him, more to

867
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 6: point out our value system is society is like that's bad.

868
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 7: You're old. That's also bad.

869
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:50,240
Speaker 6: This is bad, like whereas I wonder if and also

870
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 6: because our society is that way, as you said, our

871
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 6: older people are not necessarily community minded in that way

872
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 6: in many cases. So, I mean, I definitely understand the frustration,

873
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 6: but it's I think it leads to like this value

874
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 6: system where the other side of his coin is here's

875
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 6: an older person and Trump very very selfish, very business minded,

876
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 6: doesn't accept any lessons learned, no blemishes, And we have

877
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 6: half of our society being like, that's what we want

878
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 6: for we want we want He's clean to us, he

879
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 6: doesn't have any political experience. He just came straight from

880
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 6: TV into this thing, and they're like, wow, maybe on

881
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 6: a holistic level, that's our value system coming to play.

882
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 6: Is these two kind of weird I wouldn't even call

883
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 6: him extremes to be honest, but these two different weird

884
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 6: choices of like one guy over here that that we're

885
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 6: marketing another guy we're marketing for different reasons, let me

886
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 6: tell you.

887
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 4: But Trump, Yeah, well, you know, I was just to say,

888
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 4: you know, Trump in a way is sort of like

889
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 4: the great American product. Yes, yes, real distillation of a

890
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 4: certain you know, level of American values. You know, he's

891
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 4: he is all about money. You know, he's all about

892
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 4: you know, asserting his power over women and you know,

893
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 4: and all those sorts of things. And it's like that

894
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 4: that dude is like made in America. Yes he is.

895
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 4: He's kind of like, you know, one version of the

896
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 4: American dream to some extent.

897
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 7: He's definitely chickens coming home to roost. Like that.

898
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 6: Doesn't seem connected, but it's kind of connected in my

899
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 6: head right now, because I've been thinking about it a lot.

900
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 7: Is you know O J. Simpson just died and I

901
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 7: remember as a kid, O. J.

902
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 6: Simpson's trial was to me now looking back, I think

903
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 6: that was our last serious like that was our first

904
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 6: most unseious moment as a society, right, Like this very

905
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 6: serious thing happened, and it just turned into content, like

906
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 6: news content, your twenty four to seven courtroom content.

907
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 8: That was the first time I did that.

908
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 6: All your all your sketch shows and late night shows

909
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 6: were making jokes about this noble murder, you know, like

910
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 6: it was like it before that at least, And maybe

911
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 6: it's just I was coming of age and maybe they

912
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 6: had done it before, but I definitely don't remember. Like

913
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 6: when the Challenger exploded, it wasn't jokes. It was like,

914
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 6: this is very serious and it's fucking us all up,

915
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 6: and we need.

916
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 7: To have a discussion. Yes, this this this valance.

917
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 4: Like the first Yeah, that was like the first national

918
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 4: trauma that I remember. Yeah, because people don't realize the

919
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 4: context around that, Like it was such a good deal,

920
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 4: you know, like every there was a teacher from every

921
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 4: school that was nominated to go be christ the McCaul iff.

922
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 4: I was a Girl Scout, so we sang a song

923
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 4: to her. So I remember the name, and uh, yeah,

924
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 4: this face was the cover of the Girl Scout calendar

925
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 4: at one point. Yeah in California, But yeah, a little

926
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 4: bit different now, you know. But like you know, and

927
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 4: and every at every school. Everyone was gathered around.

928
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 8: Everybody watched it live, watched.

929
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 4: This teacher who we were like, you know, trained to adore,

930
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 4: and she was fabulous. She's right, And then it was like,

931
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 4: so what the hell was that just now? And everybody's

932
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 4: going home crying, like you know, and you know, it

933
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 4: wasn't just oh, a spaceship exploded. It was like, no,

934
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 4: this was like a pr.

935
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, you had to, like you had like assemblies

936
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 6: and stuff like we need to talk to everybody and

937
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 6: stuff after this, Like it was a traumatic thing, right.

938
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 7: Meanwhile, it was awful. Fast forward to how many years

939
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 7: later this OJ's thing happened. I was in class. They

940
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 7: were playing The Verdict.

941
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 3: In class, like, which is an insane thing to think about,

942
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 3: you know, but it's like we as a society decided like,

943
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 3: fuck it, we're not serious anymore, right, We're just done

944
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 3: with all that. And I feel like, like I said,

945
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 3: kind of connected in my head to like Trump, you

946
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, like like like directly from like

947
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 3: us being like we don't need to take things that

948
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,240
Speaker 3: seriously right, and to like, yeah, this guy's like a

949
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 3: rapist and uh, he's a terrible business person and he's

950
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 3: may have tried to take over the country. Yeah, and

951
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 3: we're like, but remember his TV show and like, isn't

952
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 3: he funny?

953
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 7: Will he be making those speeches.

954
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 6: It's like, oh, we're just incapable of being serious. We

955
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 6: don't want to grow up because the adult thing to

956
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 6: do would be the look at these choices, like these

957
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:19,720
Speaker 6: are bad choices.

958
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 7: Bring us some good choices when you know.

959
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 6: I'm still remember during the primary of like twenty twenty

960
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,439
Speaker 6: or something, and I felt like the Democrats had eight

961
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:32,919
Speaker 6: whatever you wanted.

962
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 7: They had one of those people running yes, whatever you

963
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 7: want it, like whenever you want it.

964
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 6: You're like, look, it's time for us to have a

965
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 6: gay candidate.

966
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 7: It's like cool, keey, go to jab, we got you

967
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 7: right here.

968
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 6: Boom, Hey, you know we need a woman. It's like, oh,

969
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 6: we got multiple women. Yeah, let's go.

970
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 7: I want a black woman specifically. Oh, no worry, we

971
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 7: got you player.

972
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 6: It's right, yeah, let's go, and collectively enough of us

973
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 6: will just like yeah, it was probably the white guy, right, and.

974
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 7: It's like, well, well, we're not gonna get that.

975
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 3: We can't complain about the thing we want. And then

976
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 3: you get it and you're like yeah, but it's safer

977
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 3: to go with the white guy. And I feel like

978
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 3: that that's kind of us as like, well, we don't

979
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 3: want to like grow up, grow up, you know, like

980
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 3: that we won't take it too serious.

981
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 4: Well, you know, when you really default to safety, your

982
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,720
Speaker 4: culture that lives in fear, you know, when you feel

983
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 4: really solid, that's when you take risks. You know, that's

984
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 4: where you take you know, and if they're why is

985
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 4: you take calculated risks where you're not going to be

986
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 4: you know, totally flattened out if it doesn't work out.

987
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 4: You know, you're going to be very mindful and intentional

988
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 4: and informed about it. Right. But you know, I think

989
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 4: ultimately what kind of overshadows everything that we're talking about

990
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 4: here is that we are a culture that has not

991
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 4: reckoned with death right and you know, so you'th obsessed,

992
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 4: but we hide death, you know we I mean, it's

993
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 4: like we put makeup on dead people, like, is really

994
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 4: is that the time for an extreme makeover?

995
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 7: You know what I mean?

996
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 4: And it's like you know, and you go, you know,

997
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 4: one thing that I really value about you know, this

998
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 4: work with medicine is that it is you know, they

999
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 4: call it a journey you know, they called a trip,

1000
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 4: and I love to travel a lot, and I like

1001
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 4: going to places and you know, around the world, because

1002
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 4: that is also equally a head trip, because you really

1003
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 4: see how just how different and diverse our species can be,

1004
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 4: and what different things you can bring into life, and

1005
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 4: what different values you can have, and what kind of

1006
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 4: different systems of government you can live under, and what

1007
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 4: you think is possible and what you don't think is possible.

1008
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 4: And I was My mother died in September twenty twenty two,

1009
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 4: and less than a year later, I was in katman

1010
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 4: Do at a big Shiva temple where they do public

1011
00:50:55,960 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 4: cre nations, and you know, and it was so wild,

1012
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 4: wild because like there were like animals, there were people

1013
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 4: just like hanging out eating like you know, lunch or whatever.

1014
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 4: And you know, like you have these pires where they're

1015
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 4: where they're burning the bodies, and then like twenty meters

1016
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 4: over there's like a couple getting married on the temple

1017
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 4: steps and it's just like everything is happening there, like

1018
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 4: all of life, and it's open twenty four to seven

1019
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 4: because people are born at all times of the day,

1020
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 4: people die at all times of the day, and you know,

1021
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 4: and it was it was very sacred and you know,

1022
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 4: and this is the way they've been doing it for

1023
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 4: thousands of years, and just nothing was hidden and it

1024
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 4: was and I was like, you know, my mother was

1025
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 4: cremated and I was thinking, like, you know, I left

1026
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 4: her in that hospice room. And then a week later

1027
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 4: a bag of ashes got mailed to me. Got both

1028
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 4: office too. But you know, oh wow, all these people

1029
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 4: you know it, you know, in Nepal, and I'm just like,

1030
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, I tell them, you know, my

1031
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 4: experience and how we handle death, and they're just like they're,

1032
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 4: you know, horrified, as they should be. But you know,

1033
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 4: it's like, you know, you look at Islam, you look

1034
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 4: at you know, Judaism and the way they care for

1035
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 4: the bodies, and you know, just and we just kind

1036
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 4: of hide it. We're just like, Okay, I'm gonna get

1037
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 4: shit faced at the funeral and I'm going to take

1038
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 4: a bunch of drugs and whatever, you know, and and

1039
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 4: just to see how people you know, in Nepal, in

1040
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 4: like the the for the Hindus, uh, the family will

1041
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 4: like the extended family will fast for forty five days.

1042
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 4: They'll only eat one meal at sundown and then after

1043
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 4: forty five days, they will have a memorial and the

1044
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 4: immediate nuclear family will do that for a year. Wow,

1045
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 4: and they will they will abstain from alcohol and everything

1046
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 4: else and they will like deal with their pain together.

1047
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 6: And when they show up, when they show up for

1048
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 6: the memorial year later, they're ripped because they haven't had

1049
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 6: any alcohol, no sugar.

1050
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 3: They got like six packs. They've been through the process.

1051
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 3: And you're making me think about here in America. We

1052
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 3: talked about this before. America does not allow anybody to

1053
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,720
Speaker 3: grieve a week at the most, three days, five days

1054
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 3: at the most awful work, and America is like, get

1055
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 3: your ass back to work.

1056
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 8: Capitalism still runs. Sorry for your losses, some flowers.

1057
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 3: And some plants, but you know, we still have to

1058
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 3: get this process going because when people pass, it's a

1059
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 3: whole process. You have to shut account stand like, it's

1060
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 3: not simple, and then you're grieving in your morning. So

1061
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 3: it's like something like that. I'm like, Wow, if we

1062
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 3: had something like that here in our country, more people

1063
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 3: will be less angry, will be less upset because a

1064
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 3: lot of people are hurting because we had COVID here

1065
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 3: in our country and we act like, oh, well, no,

1066
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 3: there are people that are still wanning over people that

1067
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 3: die during COVID and we act like it's okay, and

1068
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 3: it's not.

1069
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean people were witnessing their loved ones die

1070
00:53:56,200 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 4: over zoom from the hospital room over. I mean, you know,

1071
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 4: and you know we do that with the other side

1072
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 4: of life too. It's like, oh, yeah, congratulations, you just

1073
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 4: had a baby. Get back to work, you know. And

1074
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 4: you know, we just don't. We don't value life. And

1075
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 4: I think, you know, the grieving that we're doing too

1076
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 4: is not just you know, on a on an interpersonal

1077
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 4: death level. I think we're really grieving our birthright as

1078
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 4: human beings to have a community, to have a tribe,

1079
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 4: to have a connection with nature. You know, like we

1080
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 4: are really anomized here is that you know, it's just

1081
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 4: like okay, you're you're a baby, you better have a

1082
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 4: four to one k because like, you know, nobody's gonna

1083
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 4: be there for you, you know, at the end. And

1084
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,919
Speaker 4: you know, nursing homes are not I mean, I was sick,

1085
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 4: I was in hospice, I was in a nursing home

1086
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 4: for a while, and you know, watch out, because that

1087
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 4: is not a place you want to be.

1088
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 3: No, it is not.

1089
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 4: It is real bad. I mean, hospices are great because

1090
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 4: like you know, it's like, oh you need more drugs

1091
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 4: to die, Okay, great, you know, but I mean nursing

1092
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 4: homes are a nightmare and they're businesses, you know, everything

1093
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 4: and turn into a business we don't really have. We

1094
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 4: live in a narcissistic culture and you know, one of

1095
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 4: those things. I mean, this is why I really loved

1096
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 4: Anthony Bourdain was because he was really teaching folks how

1097
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 4: to be a good guest, you know, and in a

1098
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 4: place we feel so entitled that we own everything, and

1099
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 4: we go to another country, why are people speaking English? Well,

1100
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,439
Speaker 4: guess what, bitch, they don't speak English in this country, right.

1101
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 4: You know, like maybe maybe you can pick up some

1102
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 4: like Pinsler or something, you know, or like you know,

1103
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 4: do a lingo and do a little bit of work yourself,

1104
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 4: and you'll see that it's really not easy to learn

1105
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 4: another language. Yeah, but we really just expect the world

1106
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 4: to revolve around us because we've been so dominant for

1107
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 4: so long. And yeah, like just to practice the humility

1108
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 4: and go to these other cultures and try to be

1109
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 4: a good guest, right and really try to learn and

1110
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 4: see what values they have and just see like, wow,

1111
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 4: these are some of the poorest people I've ever met

1112
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 4: and some of the happiest. Like what's going on here?

1113
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 3: What was the biggest it's like breakthrough you had with

1114
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 3: ayahuasca or you know, an any other like psychedelics that

1115
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 3: you were like, Okay, this like this, this is a

1116
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 3: thing that maybe I wasn't grasping before, or maybe didn't

1117
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 3: appreciate before, just didn't view this way before.

1118
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think I think it was really

1119
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 4: uh getting an entry into spirituality because I really believe

1120
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 4: that you need to believe in your experience. That's what

1121
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 4: people believe, you know. That's what shatters all of our

1122
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 4: preconceived notions and our assumptions about the world. Is you know,

1123
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 4: it's it's like, you know, you need a gay person

1124
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,720
Speaker 4: and you're like, wow, this is like a decent person.

1125
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 4: They're like super honest and like fun and they're not

1126
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 4: like anything that I'd been taught right to think about them.

1127
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 4: And that's how people's minds change, you know. And and

1128
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 4: so you know, so I'm a big believer in in

1129
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 4: just having as many experiences as you can, because that's

1130
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 4: really going to challenge your mind and and the sort

1131
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 4: of unconscious way that you go through life. Right, And

1132
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 4: I was raised super evangelical. I mean the adoption world

1133
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 4: is super gnarly. Uh you know, talk about a market, right,

1134
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 4: So I was adopted when we were on sale. Korea

1135
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 4: was having a sale.

1136
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 7: What and they have they have sales? Is that for

1137
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 7: real or you've plade that up?

1138
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 4: No, No, there's a market. The most expensive children are Japanese.

1139
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 4: The least expensive are I'm sorry to say, but black babies.

1140
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 4: You know, we in the US is unique in that

1141
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 4: they are the only country that both imports and exports

1142
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 4: because we don't want to adopt our own black children.

1143
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 8: So right, which is which?

1144
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 4: Which is Chinese?

1145
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 6: Which is super ironic knowing the history of America and

1146
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 6: how much they valued black children a long time ago,

1147
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 6: like more than any other type of children, and that

1148
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 6: are like guys, by one get one free black babies logo, guys.

1149
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 7: It must almost go almost go.

1150
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 4: Well, they didn't value them as children.

1151
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 6: Right exactly. It was just as soon as they were

1152
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 6: in a commodity. It was it was it was like, yo,

1153
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 6: you can't the.

1154
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 7: Price is going up on these black kids.

1155
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 11: You got to hurry up and going up now that

1156
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 11: people got rights and ship they're like guys, MLK day

1157
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 11: sail all the black children at last.

1158
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I mean, and that's part of our

1159
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 4: our narcissism as well. I mean, it's it's you know,

1160
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 4: it's well and good to care about your family, but

1161
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 4: you know, really the problem is that we really need

1162
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 4: to care about all families. We need to care about

1163
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 4: all communities, whether or not they look like us or

1164
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 4: remind us of our auntieser, you know, whatever it is.

1165
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 4: And you know, in the so I was adopted by

1166
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 4: white etangelic holes because that's sort of a cultural value

1167
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 4: you for them, you know, I mean, in a way,

1168
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 4: it's sort of like a reverse missionary. It's like, oh,

1169
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 4: we all have to go over there and convert them.

1170
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 4: We can just like grand follow them in here. And

1171
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 4: so I was raised very sheltered and very evangelical, Like

1172
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 4: I mean, they made us go like door to door

1173
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 4: and try to convert people and uh jo Jo's witness style,

1174
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 4: you know.

1175
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 7: But much what part of the country was this Uh.

1176
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 4: This was in northern California and Arkansas, Okay, yeah, and

1177
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 4: so yeah, I mean it was real, it was it

1178
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 4: was real, and uh, so you know, at some point

1179
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 4: I was like, you know what, I think this might

1180
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 4: be bullshit, and you know, and I was like, you know,

1181
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 4: coming into my super gainess and all of these things

1182
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 4: at the same time, and I was like, man, this

1183
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 4: isn't this doesn't feel like true, you know, to what

1184
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 4: I'm experiencing, this feels really limiting.

1185
00:59:59,480 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 6: You know.

1186
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 4: They were some like scandals in my churches and stuff,

1187
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 4: and I was just like, but wait a minute. I

1188
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 4: thought we were supposed to be like good, you know,

1189
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 4: what's going on? You know, so I kind of did

1190
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 4: that like you know, punk rock, you know, rebellion, you know.

1191
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 4: So then I was just like a stone cold, you know,

1192
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 4: kind of Richard Dawkins type atheist, although recently made some

1193
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 4: comments about Christianity. But anyway, but yeah, but I was

1194
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 4: just like, there's no God, blah blah blah, like Trent Reznor,

1195
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 4: let's do this. And and then when I drank ayahuasca,

1196
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 4: I saw how much spiritual trauma I had. And you know,

1197
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 4: I mean because it is it is it is child abuse,

1198
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 4: uh you know, I mean it's sort of like a

1199
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 4: spiritual rape in a way. So you're like, I don't

1200
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 4: want anything to do with that and you don't realize

1201
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 4: that there's like a really loving connecting way, uh to

1202
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 4: do that and you know with you know, religion and

1203
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 4: stuff in and just to realize that you can be

1204
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 4: empowered to have your own spirituality and it can be

1205
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 4: whatever you want do, whatever illuminates your lived experience here.

1206
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 4: And so that was the most profound thing was just like, well,

1207
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 4: you know, to actually have that experience with you know,

1208
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 4: some sort of divinity was was like you know, seismically shifting.

1209
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 6: Now that sounds cool because like there's a lot of

1210
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 6: stuff in religion that just covers up bad shit, right,

1211
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 6: Like it's just like because it's this idea of like,

1212
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 6: well it needs to brief ristine, and if we admit

1213
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 6: that anything bad happens under this it, then we have

1214
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 6: to start. Like the whole thing comes apart. So you know,

1215
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 6: we got to move the priest to a different place.

1216
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 6: You know, the child's gay, we got to throw them

1217
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 6: in the camp dog. Sorry, but we can't.

1218
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 7: Be having no gay kids. That that goes against what

1219
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 7: we said earlier.

1220
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 6: And I think the violence that is done to people

1221
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 6: under that, I mean, it does make you rebellious. It's

1222
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 6: you know and it's hard, I think for people to

1223
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 6: get to a place where it's not because I think

1224
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:11,479
Speaker 6: there's like you know, in the atheist camp, right, there's

1225
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 6: like there's like divisions, right, and I feel like there's

1226
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 6: at the start for most people, I think it's an

1227
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 6: angry atheism. It's a very like oh fuck those guys,

1228
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 6: and fuck what they did and fuck you know, and

1229
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 6: and and that's and there's stuff to that, like I'm

1230
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 6: not trying to do not I'm not the cry.

1231
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 7: I think a lot of those yeah exact.

1232
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 4: So much you know is from like, you know, religion exact.

1233
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 6: So you're so you're like you're awakening to it, but

1234
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 6: you're also very upset because you've been indoctrinated by it

1235
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 6: or you were it was. It put these parameters on

1236
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 6: your life, and people still live with that guilt, you know,

1237
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 6: even after you know, people have a lot of guilt,

1238
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 6: especially in America around ship that's just like oh, that's a.

1239
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 7: Natural that's a yes.

1240
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 6: Shame and guilt is which leads to anger, right because

1241
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 6: it's like, well that's a natural inclination. It's like, well,

1242
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 6: fucking I'm about I had to have sex, what's wrong

1243
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 6: with me? It's like, I don't know, every human being

1244
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 6: has a biological imperative just about but okay, cool, and

1245
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:11,959
Speaker 6: I feel like coming out of that stuff, that that awakening,

1246
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 6: however you get it, there's like another adjustment, because at

1247
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 6: least for me, there's another adjustment that's like, I don't know, man,

1248
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 6: it's a hell of a coincidence, this whole life thing.

1249
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 6: I don't know what the probability is, but it's it

1250
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 6: gotta be something. I don't know what's out there, you know.

1251
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 3: I don't know it's something you reading a book, or

1252
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 3: that King James.

1253
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 7: Or Donald Trump sells you or whatever.

1254
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 3: I just I just figure it's probably something because it's

1255
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 3: just such.

1256
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 7: A crazy coincidence that we're here and it works this way.

1257
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 4: Well again, it's about getting to the thing behind the thing, right,

1258
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 4: you know. I mean religion started somewhere. A lot of

1259
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 4: them started as like mushroom cults, and you know, so

1260
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 4: many things start off as pure right and then people

1261
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 4: get their little you know, fingers in them, and uh and.

1262
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 6: Some enterprising else, some enterprising guys like you know what,

1263
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 6: we can charge ten percent of what they make.

1264
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 4: For yeah, you know, and yeah people you know, they

1265
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 4: can you know, this is why we can't have nice things.

1266
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, we can turn any good thing

1267
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 4: into something very self serving. And you know, originally it

1268
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 4: can be meant in some way and then you know,

1269
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 4: some nonprofit that was meant to feed the children has

1270
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 4: been like, you know, some way to like extort money

1271
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 4: or something. You know, and you know, in religion is

1272
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 4: so old, and it's why it's so important that we

1273
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 4: be students of history because to kind of see the

1274
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 4: human organism over you know, many many centuries and generations

1275
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 4: right to really kind of understand what that means, and

1276
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 4: to really understand like the origins of things and how

1277
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 4: they can shift, and especially those things that shift slowly

1278
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 4: over multiple lifetimes so that no single you know, human

1279
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 4: can witness it, you know, and you know it's just

1280
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 4: an you know, it gives you the context. And so

1281
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 4: I kind of saw, you know, one of the Shamans

1282
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 4: really cleaned a lot of the toxic Christianity around me,

1283
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 4: and I saw like the really lie you know, because

1284
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 4: for women, and the thing is is that happens when

1285
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 4: you're so young and for for little girls, so much

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01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 4: of it is very sexualized. You know, it's like you're

1287
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 4: saving yourself, your husband, and you know, and meanwhile, look

1288
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 4: at this really hot guy who's like often not wearing

1289
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 4: like a whole lot of clothes. You know, like this

1290
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 4: beautiful man, he loves you, and you know, give me

1291
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 4: a chocolate, you know, on bunny day, you know, and

1292
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 4: and so you have, you know, you know, and in

1293
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 4: a world where there's not a lot of you know,

1294
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 4: who is it like Audrey Lord maybe or no, it

1295
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 4: was a it was a black philosopher. I think she

1296
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 4: recently passed bell Hooks. You know. She said that patriarchy

1297
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 4: is a world created by men in which men are

1298
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 4: aren't allowed to love.

1299
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 7: Yes, and.

1300
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 4: You know, and so in that world it creates a vacuum.

1301
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 4: And so like wow, a man who loves you like

1302
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 4: a father, like a brother. But there's a lot of

1303
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 4: sexualization for young girls or it's like yeah, until you

1304
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 4: belong to cheese, and like in Catholicism it's like way work,

1305
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 4: like it's super.

1306
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 6: Even as the adult women, it's still very sexual. Right,

1307
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 6: Watch what you wear, you know, watch the company you keep,

1308
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 6: because then people won't think you're a upstanding Christian woman

1309
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 6: anymore and won't thank you. Something's going on all your

1310
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 6: friends with a man that's impossible, and we all know

1311
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 6: that means you're.

1312
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 7: A whore of some type.

1313
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 6: Like it's very like sexualized the whole way through, like

1314
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 6: from little girl to grown ass woman.

1315
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 7: You're in a box. And it's because men are afraid.

1316
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's because men are afraid of women that aren't

1317
01:06:58,800 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 6: under control.

1318
01:06:59,520 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 2: You know.

1319
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it boil down to women that are

1320
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 3: under control. And truth be told. One thing, a shout

1321
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 3: out to the younger generation. I appreciate them for this

1322
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 3: because sometimes I know a lot of us generation give

1323
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 3: them a hard time, but I appreciate them going I

1324
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 3: will not lower my standards. I will not take anything

1325
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 3: just because you have a penis. I don't want to

1326
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 3: deal with you and your shenanikins. You know, like no,

1327
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 3: And a lot of the men, younger men, push back,

1328
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 3: but I understand them going, No, I saw what my

1329
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 3: aunts and uncles went through. Y'all do this thing where

1330
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 3: y'all go back in the day. Yeah, women didn't have rights,

1331
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 3: women couldn't draft, women didn't have a bank account, women

1332
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 3: couldn't vote, So no, I don't want to go back.

1333
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, so much of it is again just like

1334
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 4: these these uh, you know this hierarchy of narcissism where

1335
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 4: you know, you know throughout history. Yeah, if one gender

1336
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 4: doesn't have rights, then the other gender is entitled because

1337
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 4: like you you you know, this other this other be

1338
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 4: half the population is depends on your income for survival

1339
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 4: and to do the whole thing and you know, motherhood

1340
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 4: and all that kind of stuff. And it's like, well,

1341
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:12,439
Speaker 4: now that they don't need you, you know, and there's

1342
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 4: this like resentment and you know, but really like hey,

1343
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 4: accept the challenge to like step your ship up, like

1344
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 4: it's it's really about you know, No, you don't deserve

1345
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 4: for someone to be with you and except you know,

1346
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 4: want to move into with you. You you know, it's it's

1347
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 4: up to us to be a partner that is going

1348
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:42,520
Speaker 4: to enrich someone else's lives, gender or what you're ideally,

1349
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:46,760
Speaker 4: it's not you. Yeah, it's not about you and what

1350
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 4: you can get. That's that's a society we live in.

1351
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 4: It's about you. What you can give, what you can

1352
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 4: like contribute to a partnership. How you can you know, uh, yeah,

1353
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:03,640
Speaker 4: make someone's life richer and better and uh, you know,

1354
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 4: and and to share that that journey, you know, to

1355
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 4: have an ideal.

1356
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 6: Ideally, being chosen in a place where people have multiple

1357
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 6: choices is a better it's a better match, it's a

1358
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 6: better like that should make you more secure that, oh,

1359
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 6: you had all the choices in the world and you said,

1360
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 6: I want this person as opposed to being like, how

1361
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:27,639
Speaker 6: can I limit your choices as much as possible?

1362
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 7: Put you in the.

1363
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 6: Most dire situation where you need somebody for survival and

1364
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 6: you're just gonna have to settle for me because I'm

1365
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 6: all you could get and there, and for I mean

1366
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 6: centuries literally people have like men have felt empowered off

1367
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 6: of that, like you know, yep, well I'm all you got,

1368
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 6: Like your life will be fucked up without me, because

1369
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 6: we have made life to be fucked up. And as

1370
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 6: women have fought for rights as equality and wages and

1371
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 6: all this other stuff, which you know, our Supreme Court

1372
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 6: is trying to rote as we wh has been fought,

1373
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 6: you've seen less and less like people like people make

1374
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 6: it seem like it's some sort of wow, our society

1375
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:09,599
Speaker 6: is falling down. But I see this as progress. Marriage

1376
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 6: rates going down, divorce rates going down. The matchups that

1377
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 6: are gonna happen are gonna be divorce rates going up.

1378
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, but the matchups that are happening are more

1379
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 6: because people have a choice, and that they're more positive matchups,

1380
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 6: I think, than a matchup where it's like, all right,

1381
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 6: you have to get out of your father's house.

1382
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 7: You're fourteen, you're old lady, and the god of the.

1383
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 6: Street he's been looking at you, so he's gonna come

1384
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:36,759
Speaker 6: sit on the portrait you for a couple of days,

1385
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 6: give me a cow, and then you can get the

1386
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 6: fuck out my house.

1387
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 7: That's that was healthier than now.

1388
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 3: That's not healthier when people go, oh, my grandma and

1389
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 3: my granddad they stayed together forty years and even though

1390
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:50,919
Speaker 3: his secret of the families showed up at the funeral,

1391
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 3: they had a great marriage.

1392
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 7: And you're like that, that doesn't sound great to me.

1393
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 6: So I do think and a lot of that, yeah,

1394
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 6: a lot of that does stem from like religion being

1395
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 6: kind of in a weird way stronger than the law, right,

1396
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 6: because religion can put like tradition and culture and all

1397
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 6: the shit into it to.

1398
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 7: Where your programming yourself.

1399
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 6: You're like, you've you've been programmed by someone else to

1400
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 6: put yourself in a box that even a law can't

1401
01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:19,640
Speaker 6: necessarily put you in like the law can't make you

1402
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:24,600
Speaker 6: feel guilty for having pre marital sex, right, but a

1403
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 6: religion can't, you.

1404
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 7: Know what I mean, Like, oh, you're gay, like that.

1405
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 3: It may be legal to be gay in your country,

1406
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 3: but it will never be legal in a lot of

1407
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 3: people's religion to be gay. So it puts a different

1408
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 3: type of box on us that, yeah, you have to break.

1409
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 3: I love hearing that for you, like ayahuasca and stuff

1410
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 3: was like a good way of like going back and

1411
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 3: getting that out of that guilt and all that.

1412
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:51,800
Speaker 7: Bullshit out of your life in that way. I'm sure

1413
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:52,679
Speaker 7: it was work.

1414
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,640
Speaker 6: I know it probably wasn't like oh I did it

1415
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 6: today and then yes, the next day I was fine.

1416
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:03,280
Speaker 6: But he is like, still, that's like a dope experience,

1417
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 6: I think, because I really think we all could benefit

1418
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 6: from that.

1419
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:09,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think you know, one of the

1420
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,679
Speaker 4: things that is really powerful about these medicines is that,

1421
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 4: you know, therapy is great, and talking to people is great,

1422
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 4: but there's so much of the work is preverbal. And

1423
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:22,600
Speaker 4: you know, the thing is is that you know, we

1424
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 4: are a very unconsidered society, and we don't think to

1425
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 4: think about things, and we don't even think to question

1426
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 4: certain things because like it's just been literally grandfathered in,

1427
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 4: and you know, and to be in that space of newness,

1428
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:40,639
Speaker 4: the way we were as children when things were new,

1429
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 4: and it's just like, hey, well wait a minute, that

1430
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 4: doesn't make sense, you know, and it kind of gets

1431
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 4: paid over because life must be lived and it's not

1432
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 4: really practical to ask those sorts of questions all the

1433
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 4: time and question the foundations upon which we live in

1434
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 4: this toxic society. And so you know, to kind of

1435
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 4: go into that sort of like pure philosophical space in

1436
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 4: a way where you're really kind of noticing, like, hey,

1437
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,639
Speaker 4: that is kind of fucked up, han, Like we all

1438
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 4: just kind of go along with it, and like han,

1439
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 4: like how can I change my life and not like

1440
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 4: part of that anymore? You know.

1441
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:19,640
Speaker 3: And I think the first time, and I say this

1442
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 3: all the time, like there's this thing that bigots say

1443
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:25,520
Speaker 3: that I always like, uh.

1444
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 6: I don't want my kid to see something gay because

1445
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 6: then they gonna it's gonna it's gonna make them gay

1446
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 6: because they gonna see somebody being gay or whatever, and

1447
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 6: and and and you know, of course it's easy to

1448
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 6: be very dismissive of that, because it's very silly. It's

1449
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 6: not like I saw something straightened and I was like,

1450
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 6: oh shit, I like women like it's just like you

1451
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 6: either know you don't. But but the thing that so

1452
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 6: underneath what they're saying is they're gonna see someone being

1453
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:56,759
Speaker 6: free and they're gonna realize I'm not the be all

1454
01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 6: end all to happy like me, be me, your parents

1455
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 6: approven of you. You're gonna see someone living their life

1456
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 6: who their parents may hate them, they don't, they don't

1457
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:11,479
Speaker 6: give a fuck. They're happy, they're creating content, they're doing this,

1458
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 6: they're they're they're they're focusing on whatever. And I can't

1459
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,599
Speaker 6: let you know there's another path to happiness that's not

1460
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 6: just me deciding if I approve you're not.

1461
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 7: And I think the.

1462
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 6: First time you see someone being free like that or

1463
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:29,800
Speaker 6: like that has such impact on other folks because then

1464
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 6: you know it's possible, because yeah, when you're indoctrinating into something,

1465
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 6: you're raised in something, you it's like, well, the abuse

1466
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 6: is normal because that's what we do here, the what

1467
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 6: everyone must go through that, and then you see someone

1468
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:44,280
Speaker 6: that's like, no, that was all bullshit, and I'm living

1469
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 6: I'm very happy.

1470
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:47,840
Speaker 7: Now and you're like, oh shit, you can do that. Well, fuck,

1471
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 7: I want to do that.

1472
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:50,640
Speaker 6: And I think that's how we break each other out

1473
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 6: of the matrix there, Yeah, for sure.

1474
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 4: And that's like one reason I really love what I

1475
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 4: do with, you know, with the Life Purpose coaching, is

1476
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 4: that so much of it is about you know, people,

1477
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 4: you know, helping people get to that place where they

1478
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 4: have the realization of how much how much agency and

1479
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 4: power they actually have. And you know, so often we

1480
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 4: aren't aware that we're making choices or that there's a

1481
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 4: choice to be made, like we're just kind of on

1482
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 4: automatic pilot, or we feel really you know, like we

1483
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 4: feel like we have to do things for you know,

1484
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 4: we're obligated to or whatever. And you know, like I

1485
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 4: always think about when someone says I can't afford something,

1486
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 4: and it's just like, yeah, if you're really, really poor,

1487
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 4: you can't because like everything you're spending your money on

1488
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 4: is survival. But most of the time when people are

1489
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 4: saying I can't afford something, they're saying, I don't value

1490
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 4: that more than what I'm already spending my money on,

1491
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 4: Like I am choosing to spend my money on other

1492
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:48,719
Speaker 4: you know, like you know when people say I can't

1493
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:51,840
Speaker 4: afford to eat organic food, right, and I'm like, well,

1494
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 4: I can't afford to go to the movies and eat

1495
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 4: out right, That's what I'm for to do, because like,

1496
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,600
Speaker 4: I'm making a choice, But there's like this lack of

1497
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:03,800
Speaker 4: realizes that they aren't making a choice. Yeah. Absolutely, like

1498
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 4: I'm choosing not to have a car. I'm choosing, you know.

1499
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 4: And but again that those things get grandfathered in as

1500
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 4: just like this lifestyle and so much of what we

1501
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,879
Speaker 4: have to do that's really really hard is to examine

1502
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:19,599
Speaker 4: our lifestyles and see, you know, what it is that

1503
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:21,600
Speaker 4: we really need. And that's like kind of one of

1504
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,880
Speaker 4: the gifts of financially struggling is that you actually are

1505
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 4: forced to see, like, what is it that I need?

1506
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 4: You know, because they there's not really extra for all

1507
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 4: these creature comforts that I really that would be really

1508
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:34,759
Speaker 4: nice to have.

1509
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, man, I feel you. That's like you said,

1510
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 7: it's kind of like that.

1511
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 6: Growing up thing where we don't necessarily produce grown ups anymore.

1512
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 6: I feel like like part of it is definitely like

1513
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 6: as I get older, I also realize like, oh wait,

1514
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 6: I'm just forty five year old one year old, right, you.

1515
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 3: Know, like I'm like, I'm still everybody is dealing with

1516
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 3: the into chat Like I'm like, I didn't hit like

1517
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:02,639
Speaker 3: a magical age where it's like, all right, you put

1518
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 3: on the loafers and the khakis and that's it, guys,

1519
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 3: the video games go away, Like I didn't.

1520
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 7: I'm not hitting that.

1521
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 6: So, like adulthood looks different for me than like my

1522
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 6: dad goes fishing and I play video games or you

1523
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying. So like it's still recreation or whatever.

1524
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:22,559
Speaker 6: But it's just it looks different from me. But the

1525
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 6: idea of like being grown and having Tom confront grown

1526
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 6: things like that, your mortality and like, you know, how

1527
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 6: we are to other people, what we do to help

1528
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 6: other people, stuff like that, it does feel like that

1529
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 6: has been put off and put off and put off

1530
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:38,639
Speaker 6: and put off.

1531
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:41,639
Speaker 7: In the bill is just past do with you.

1532
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 6: Know, our environment and debt and the way we've put

1533
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 6: our children in such dire straits. It really is it

1534
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 6: really is this need for like grown ups to come

1535
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:56,760
Speaker 6: the concept grown ups to like come.

1536
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:58,679
Speaker 7: Back, you know, we need that in our society.

1537
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 4: Well, you're only as old as your earliest unhealed trauma.

1538
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 4: That's a bar because you you you know, when you

1539
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 4: step on that in someone and they trip out, and

1540
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,840
Speaker 4: you're like, you are a copper, you are a two

1541
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 4: year old? What's going on? You know? And yeah, you know,

1542
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 4: and that takes work and and you know, and and

1543
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:25,639
Speaker 4: and the thing is is that you know, these are

1544
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 4: not paths. These are not like dirt roads that you're

1545
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 4: just paving over. I mean, sometimes you can, especially the

1546
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 4: more the less that you are a minority status, right,

1547
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 4: there are already kind of paths for you. But for

1548
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:40,959
Speaker 4: most of us, like you got to get out the side,

1549
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 4: like we're going into the jungle and we are like

1550
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:46,639
Speaker 4: creating the path and you got to find what works

1551
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 4: for you. And it's gonna what's gonna work for a while.

1552
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 4: You know, it's going to transition and you got to

1553
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 4: learn how to like rope a dope, you know. And

1554
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 4: and again it's it's a lot of work because we

1555
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 4: are people who would rather like netflix chill then actually

1556
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:04,639
Speaker 4: deal with their stuff. But but you know, but that's

1557
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 4: ultimately what love is. And you know, you were going

1558
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 4: to be you know, using your children and sucking the

1559
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 4: life out of your children with your trauma and passing

1560
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 4: it on to them. Yes, and so the most the

1561
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 4: most loving thing you can do as a parent is

1562
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 4: to give your children a happy, healed parent, because that's

1563
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 4: why we're all in therapy is because our parents and.

1564
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 6: I'm like, you're gonna get You're gonna give them something

1565
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 6: because you know, everyone's got we got something and no

1566
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 6: one's perfect and you know, like your kid, but it's

1567
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 6: gonna that's part of cycle too. And then they're gonna

1568
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 6: give their kids something, hopefully not whatever you gave them,

1569
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 6: you know. Like I always feel like the generational infighting

1570
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 6: is always funny to me because it's always like, yeah,

1571
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:51,800
Speaker 6: but we raised that kid. So like whenever, whatever the

1572
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 6: thing is you don't like about the young people now,

1573
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 6: whoever you are, if there's a thing you don't.

1574
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 7: Like, it's the thing we gave them.

1575
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 6: Like for a lot of people, they don't like millennial entitlement, right,

1576
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 6: But if your parent is gen X, like I'm gen X,

1577
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 6: you know, a lot of our stuff was latch key kids.

1578
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 7: You know, a lot of you know, a lot of

1579
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 7: alone time.

1580
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:16,559
Speaker 4: You know that's a problem with us, right yeah, yeah.

1581
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 6: Like like we're chilled, right, but when we raised our kids,

1582
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:22,799
Speaker 6: we probably were like, you know what, no one listened

1583
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 6: to me right when I was your age. They didn't

1584
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 6: think I was important. You're fucking important. I want you

1585
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 6: to know your feelings count.

1586
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:30,040
Speaker 8: The important thing.

1587
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 6: How you feel at a job that matters. It's not

1588
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 6: just having a job, because my parents like, just go

1589
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 6: get the job. You feel bad, that's what the check

1590
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 6: is for that for you. You go in a workplace

1591
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 6: and you feel bad, you fucking go to HR You

1592
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:43,600
Speaker 6: let them know.

1593
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 7: It's some things that ain't change, and then we pick

1594
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 7: on them.

1595
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 6: For doing the thing that we're like, that's what you

1596
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:52,600
Speaker 6: need to do. They were like, wow, look at these motherfuckers.

1597
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:54,559
Speaker 6: They really want to feel good at work.

1598
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:57,240
Speaker 7: Why are we mad that they want to feel good

1599
01:20:57,240 --> 01:20:57,800
Speaker 7: at a job?

1600
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 6: Like, why are we mad that they have bodily tonomy

1601
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 6: and stuff like that is and it's stuff we gave them.

1602
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 6: And I'm sure our parents whatever their you know, their

1603
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 6: parents must have been like the war parents or the

1604
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 6: or whatever like my our parents generation generation. Yeah, yeah,

1605
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:17,640
Speaker 6: I'm sure that they whatever the fuck they did to

1606
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 6: us to be like you can be independent, you can

1607
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 6: you can come in the house. And it was something

1608
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:24,680
Speaker 6: that happened in there we're like, fuck, my parents are

1609
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 6: hovering over me.

1610
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 7: I can't do shit.

1611
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 6: These motherfuckers all the worse. I'm fourteen, I should be

1612
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:31,639
Speaker 6: able to. And then they said my parents, my kids

1613
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:33,880
Speaker 6: will never be like that. They're gonna fucking come home

1614
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:37,960
Speaker 6: from school and be relying, and and then they hated

1615
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 6: us for it. You know, like I just feel like

1616
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,719
Speaker 6: that's that big cycle that we're all living through.

1617
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 7: Me, I mean, oak, I'm sorry me.

1618
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 6: Oh, I know, we told you it was via like

1619
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 6: an hour, fifteen minutes. I know we're a little bit over,

1620
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 6: but we're just having a good time talking to you. Okay,

1621
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:57,640
Speaker 6: if you want to keep going for like another like

1622
01:21:57,960 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 6: ten minutes, let's keep going.

1623
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 7: You've got to go. I understand too, Okay, cool, go ahead.

1624
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 4: That's cool. Yeah, I got a little yeah. You know,

1625
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 4: I was thinking about how, you know, again, with history

1626
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:14,480
Speaker 4: and to understand it, you know, I mean, I study philosophy,

1627
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 4: and I'm a big fan of Nietzsche. For Nietzsche very German,

1628
01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 4: and you know, everyone kind of lays claim to him

1629
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 4: because he kind of he's such a sneaky I mean,

1630
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 4: he's such a brilliant writer, but he's very sneaky. In

1631
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:30,559
Speaker 4: the sense that he had this talent for writing in

1632
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 4: a way that really made it feel intimate, like he

1633
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 4: is talking to you, like it's just like, hey, I

1634
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 4: have a secret and really only people like us can

1635
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 4: understand it. You know. It's like he like kind of

1636
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:42,640
Speaker 4: booshed up and makes you feel so everyone kind of

1637
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:46,880
Speaker 4: you know, right left Hitler like hippies, Like everybody is like, no,

1638
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 4: he's talking to me. I'm the one who understands the

1639
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 4: real Nietzsche. And you know I've read him for quite

1640
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 4: some time, and you know he he talks about, you know,

1641
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 4: instead of like history, to look at genealogy and it's like,

1642
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 4: you know, just when you you know, the wisdom of

1643
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 4: like so you know, I don't know if you've ever

1644
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 4: heard about like the seven generations where it's like everything

1645
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 4: you do think about how it's going to impact seven

1646
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 4: generations in front of you. You know, Like we live

1647
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 4: in like twenty four hour news cycles. We're like, what

1648
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 4: this doesn't make sense, you know, and like this clash.

1649
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 4: The interesting thing about Earth, and this is something also

1650
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:29,599
Speaker 4: really profound that I was shown with medicine, is that

1651
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 4: Earth is this really distinct place because there's so many

1652
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:35,599
Speaker 4: dimensions happening. You know, like here we have people who

1653
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 4: like only travel by private jet, and we also have

1654
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 4: uncontacted tribes like all on this you know blue planet.

1655
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 4: You know, we have people who never left their hometown.

1656
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 4: And we have people who you know, like Anthony new

1657
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:54,560
Speaker 4: Bourdain like went you know, everywhere, and and so we

1658
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 4: have people living in like completely different realities on this

1659
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 4: on this planet, and you know, so much of it

1660
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 4: is trying to figure out, you know, what your dimension is,

1661
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 4: like what's your laying and like I really feel like,

1662
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 4: you know, I read this this really interesting description of

1663
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 4: human development, and it really impacted me because it's like,

1664
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 4: you know, as babies, we start life as humans as

1665
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:29,840
Speaker 4: like narcissists, because we are we are like freaks, man,

1666
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 4: We are like freaks of the mammal world. Like you know,

1667
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 4: every other animal comes out like walking and like chilling,

1668
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:39,400
Speaker 4: and we come out as like these blobs. They're like

1669
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 4: half baked, Like none of us are fully cooked when

1670
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 4: we come out, you know, like we look awful and

1671
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 4: we're completely dependent, you know, like if we're left for

1672
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 4: two minutes, we'll die, right and so like I mean, ideally,

1673
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:55,000
Speaker 4: if a woman's body could handle it. You know, we

1674
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 4: would actually just date for maybe like eighteen months, you know,

1675
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:00,960
Speaker 4: if we were like other mammals. And so we come

1676
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 4: out super vulnerable, super dependent, and the world has to

1677
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 4: revolve around us. We cried, we need to be picked up,

1678
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 4: we need to be fed, otherwise we're not gonna make it.

1679
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 4: And really the end of life in terms of like maturity,

1680
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:20,879
Speaker 4: is to become selfless and to really you know, surrender

1681
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 4: the ego and you know, be of true service not

1682
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:32,599
Speaker 4: just to our own species, but to all beings. And yeah,

1683
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 4: and you know, and we have a generation of old

1684
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 4: people who are still just living for themselves because they

1685
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:42,719
Speaker 4: were raised by super traumatized World War I mean World.

1686
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:46,840
Speaker 3: War two, so now and coming out of like people

1687
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:49,599
Speaker 3: coming out of a great depression, Like yeah, there's a lot

1688
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 3: of like hoard everything.

1689
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:53,880
Speaker 7: Well, you don't know when this ship's gonna run out.

1690
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 6: The fucking banks aren't real, like you know, like people

1691
01:25:56,920 --> 01:26:00,760
Speaker 6: were just like people were just like having these extremely

1692
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 6: traumatic moments. It's like, which, you know, I have a

1693
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 6: lot of empathy for that, you know, like as much

1694
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 6: as because I think that's the hard thing is like

1695
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:11,960
Speaker 6: as much as it's easy for me at least to

1696
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:14,400
Speaker 6: have empathy for younger people, because it's just like, well,

1697
01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 6: they're younger and they're coming up, and I was young,

1698
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 6: and I remember that it's harder to have empathy for

1699
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 6: older people because you know, coming up to think of

1700
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 6: them is like you were the person that was supposed

1701
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 6: to handle this.

1702
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 7: But now you know.

1703
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:27,639
Speaker 6: But the more I learned about history and reading stuff,

1704
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:30,599
Speaker 6: the more I'm like, oh no, I'm sure the same

1705
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,840
Speaker 6: way that, Like I lived through nine eleven and the

1706
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 6: trauma response to that caused the war and was like

1707
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 6: to this day of all kinds of Islamophobia, Like like

1708
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 6: I watched the fallout of that and and it very

1709
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 6: much felt like, Wow, this this can happen. This is

1710
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 6: the kind of thing you read about, but not the

1711
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 6: kind of thing you think can happen, right, you know,

1712
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 6: same thing with Trump and the insurrection and all that stuff,

1713
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 6: where you're just like it's the kind of thing they've

1714
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 6: read about in some history book. I'll be like, wow,

1715
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 6: they were tripping in Germany, and then it's like, what

1716
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 6: the fuck, why are y'all doing okay with this? And

1717
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 6: so now I look look at and I'm like I

1718
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:10,720
Speaker 6: have a little more understanding and forgiveness. It's still you know,

1719
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 6: you would hope that people would see clearer.

1720
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 7: But this idea of.

1721
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:17,800
Speaker 6: Like coming out of great depression, you're gonna the thing

1722
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 6: you're gonna hold on to is I need material things

1723
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:21,679
Speaker 6: at all times.

1724
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 7: The second I get them, I'm never letting them go.

1725
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:26,000
Speaker 6: I don't give a fuck if I getting old, I'm

1726
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 6: dying rich because if I fucking if at any moment

1727
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 6: I don't have I.

1728
01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 7: Can't depend on anyone to take care of me.

1729
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 8: Right.

1730
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:36,479
Speaker 6: And then the same thing for coming out of war

1731
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 6: and all that stuff that you know, a lot of

1732
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:43,560
Speaker 6: that generation experience like holistically, I'm starting to as I

1733
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 6: get older, it's and it's actually death. Like my uncle

1734
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:50,640
Speaker 6: just passed, I had an aunt that just passed, And

1735
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 6: I just think about how many times my older family

1736
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 6: experienced that, and it's something that you know, for me

1737
01:27:57,479 --> 01:27:59,559
Speaker 6: is starting to be like a newer thing of like, wow,

1738
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:02,559
Speaker 6: people that I grew up with are passing that you

1739
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:05,759
Speaker 6: know are in my family that my older family members,

1740
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 6: and that's a thing that they've been living with since

1741
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 6: they were my age. So they've gone through twenty thirty

1742
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:17,240
Speaker 6: forty years of having to reconcile with that and think

1743
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:20,839
Speaker 6: about that and losing people and missing people and carrying

1744
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 6: on and all that stuff. And I have a newfound respect,

1745
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:26,679
Speaker 6: But I couldn't have had it without having some level

1746
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 6: of experiencing that to truly appreciate what they went through

1747
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:30,720
Speaker 6: from me.

1748
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the thing about old people is that

1749
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 4: they're all orphans, you know, and there is something really

1750
01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:43,479
Speaker 4: like the there is like the lights can go out

1751
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 4: when when your parents died like that. It's to me,

1752
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 4: it's I call it like the obi Wan moment where

1753
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 4: it's just like, oh shit, the dude has been like

1754
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:52,680
Speaker 4: taking me on this journey like my Virgil through the

1755
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 4: nether worlds of this earth. They're gone and they like

1756
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 4: my guide. I'm like halfway through this trip and my

1757
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:06,640
Speaker 4: guy just died, you know, and you know, it's really disorienting,

1758
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 4: you know to like kind of move to the top

1759
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 4: of that of that ladder. You know. So they're parentless, right, uh?

1760
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:18,680
Speaker 4: And and also you know they were they lived in

1761
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 4: a completely different context as well, where I mean, even

1762
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:26,640
Speaker 4: like twenty years ago, trauma was not you know, were right.

1763
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 3: You didn't talk about it, you didn't discuss it. It

1764
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:30,839
Speaker 3: wasn't something that was brought up right.

1765
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:34,080
Speaker 6: And accepting and also as I get older, accepting that

1766
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 6: you're someone's God, because it's just not a thing that

1767
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:39,920
Speaker 6: you think about in that way of like, oh, there's

1768
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:42,599
Speaker 6: people that are looking at me now as their elder

1769
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 6: statesmen or their example of something or their like goal

1770
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:47,559
Speaker 6: of something.

1771
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:49,840
Speaker 7: I didn't take a class for that shit.

1772
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 3: I don't know, like and maybe maybe that's kind of

1773
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:57,560
Speaker 3: where you get some of those traditions that have their power.

1774
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 7: In culture to be like, oh, here's our rite of passage.

1775
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 6: This is why we do the family reunion, this is

1776
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 6: why we do the this is why we come together

1777
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:08,200
Speaker 6: at the funeral and the wedding. And this is to

1778
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 6: keep having some central cultural moments, which I think we're

1779
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 6: losing now more and more of as we kind of

1780
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:19,320
Speaker 6: disengage for good reason, not that we need community, but

1781
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:21,559
Speaker 6: also some of the community shit was so fucked up

1782
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:24,760
Speaker 6: that people aren't leave the community, right. We let bad

1783
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:26,600
Speaker 6: things happen, and it's like, I ain't coming back to

1784
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 6: this church.

1785
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:28,960
Speaker 7: Church used to be a hub for people.

1786
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 8: Yes it did.

1787
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:32,080
Speaker 6: Now it's not as much because we let too much

1788
01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 6: shit go astray in the church. But the point being

1789
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:37,639
Speaker 6: like there as I get older, I see the need

1790
01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 6: for like, oh, you need a cultural touchstone so that

1791
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 6: I feel comfortable being an uncle and you feel comfortable

1792
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:48,640
Speaker 6: being a nephew in a way that I don't have

1793
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:52,120
Speaker 6: a guide for. So yeah, I don't know. Just it's

1794
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 6: making me think about all this stuff talking to you.

1795
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:59,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean with there is this point, you know,

1796
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 4: And and I had it where it was just like, wow,

1797
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,439
Speaker 4: I am not like the least among us anymore. Like

1798
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:07,840
Speaker 4: I actually have quite a bit of plant experience. I

1799
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:11,080
Speaker 4: can actually help other people, you know, because I'm not

1800
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 4: a newbie, and I've had you know, amazing access working

1801
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:19,679
Speaker 4: with you know, Harvard guys. I work with gobbl mate.

1802
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 4: You know, I'm like the Western Front, you know. But

1803
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 4: I've also worked with these indigenous healers and gone to

1804
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:28,600
Speaker 4: Peru and lived without electricity and all that kind of

1805
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:29,360
Speaker 4: crazy stuff.

1806
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:30,400
Speaker 7: Wow.

1807
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:32,599
Speaker 4: And it was just like wow, I can really help people,

1808
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 4: and you know, and I'm also not like a beginning

1809
01:31:34,360 --> 01:31:37,559
Speaker 4: writer like I've I've you know, I'm got an agent

1810
01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:39,320
Speaker 4: and I'm working on a book and I can help

1811
01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:42,599
Speaker 4: other people tell their stories because it's not just about

1812
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 4: me telling my story. It's about getting some other voices

1813
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:48,160
Speaker 4: out there because I want to hear them right, you know,

1814
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:51,599
Speaker 4: and helping other people tell them in the best way

1815
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:56,519
Speaker 4: you know possible. And but yeah, to be able to

1816
01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:58,760
Speaker 4: like kind of you know, have your kind of mister

1817
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:01,559
Speaker 4: Miagi moment where you're like, wow, I can really pick

1818
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:04,599
Speaker 4: your masks. Now, I've been like washing cars, waxing cars for.

1819
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:08,439
Speaker 7: I think a lot of a lot of it.

1820
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:09,800
Speaker 8: How many cars are there?

1821
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:10,639
Speaker 7: A lot of.

1822
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:14,559
Speaker 6: It happens when we have community spaces, yes, because that's

1823
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:15,439
Speaker 6: how it happens for me.

1824
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 7: It's never it's because it's I never leave I.

1825
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,680
Speaker 6: Understand and I respect people that like mentor and like

1826
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:24,479
Speaker 6: developing stuff. I've never been comfortable with it, even when

1827
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:25,519
Speaker 6: I know what I'm talking about.

1828
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:26,960
Speaker 7: I always kind of like a little bit.

1829
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:29,320
Speaker 6: Like yeah, like you know, you kind of want to

1830
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:31,000
Speaker 6: do it you own, right, you know, someone telling you

1831
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:31,400
Speaker 6: what to do.

1832
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:33,760
Speaker 7: But but like at the same time, like.

1833
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:36,600
Speaker 6: What I'm in community spaces, like even if I just

1834
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:39,960
Speaker 6: go play basketball, if I'm playing basketball, there's always some

1835
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:40,839
Speaker 6: young dude.

1836
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:43,600
Speaker 7: With something I don't know. Like it's not got to

1837
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 7: leave the house knowing.

1838
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:47,559
Speaker 6: But you know, I've talked to guys, We've talked about

1839
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 6: you know, they're talking about dating and they're in college

1840
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:55,960
Speaker 6: or something, or they talk about uh, you know, careers

1841
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 6: or voting or something like that, and it's never like

1842
01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:00,920
Speaker 6: a plan. But then suddenly I'm in I'm in a

1843
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:04,280
Speaker 6: space where because they're looking at me like that, I

1844
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:05,760
Speaker 6: got to take a look at me like that for.

1845
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:07,400
Speaker 7: A second, be like, oh wait, I do know something

1846
01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:07,840
Speaker 7: about this.

1847
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:11,479
Speaker 6: Okay, So this is why it's important to vote, and

1848
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 6: this is what your.

1849
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:14,040
Speaker 7: Vote says about you.

1850
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:17,360
Speaker 6: And this is also what it what the statement you

1851
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:19,200
Speaker 6: can make, and this is your power, and this is

1852
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 6: what you can do with that.

1853
01:33:20,439 --> 01:33:22,320
Speaker 7: This is why you should be informed. Blahlah blah.

1854
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:24,760
Speaker 6: And it's like in that moment, I'm not thinking about it,

1855
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:28,479
Speaker 6: but I'm fucking unk at that point, like I'm at

1856
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:33,160
Speaker 6: that it's too late, you know, like you know, yeah,

1857
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 6: but it's like in order to I'm realized, I'm thinking

1858
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:38,040
Speaker 6: about in order to accept those roles, we have to

1859
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:39,800
Speaker 6: kind of be around each other, and we kind of

1860
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 6: have to and around each other. No no offense to

1861
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 6: the Internet, but in a physical way, I think because

1862
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:48,640
Speaker 6: it's hard on the internet. Not that it's impossible, but

1863
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:49,040
Speaker 6: it's just.

1864
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:53,080
Speaker 7: A little bit harder for people because there's a filter there.

1865
01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:58,000
Speaker 4: Well, you also have to have a real generosity of spirit. Yeah,

1866
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:02,320
Speaker 4: you know, is really just sharing and you know, letting,

1867
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:04,640
Speaker 4: letting the person like do what they will with it,

1868
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:08,880
Speaker 4: and suggestions and guiding you know, like suggesting a book

1869
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:11,799
Speaker 4: or you know, something that might resonate with them. And

1870
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 4: you know, so much of a you know, we we

1871
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 4: really don't do power and authority, especially unchecked very well

1872
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:22,360
Speaker 4: as humans, right, and you know, so many people it's like,

1873
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:24,240
Speaker 4: you know, people have a baby and they're like it's

1874
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:26,720
Speaker 4: going to be it's a doctor, and it's like it's actually.

1875
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:30,040
Speaker 7: A baby, you know, like baby, we don't know.

1876
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:30,320
Speaker 3: Shit.

1877
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like let them like why don't you watch

1878
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:37,800
Speaker 4: and see what they are sort of organically going to

1879
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:41,840
Speaker 4: be and help to be whatever the hell that is,

1880
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:45,320
Speaker 4: you know. And you know, and being a teacher is

1881
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:47,840
Speaker 4: very similar. It's like it's not to try to get

1882
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:49,679
Speaker 4: them to be what you want to be. It's trying

1883
01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:53,639
Speaker 4: to see what what who they really are and them

1884
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:56,519
Speaker 4: become that I agree, you know, and help them to

1885
01:34:56,600 --> 01:34:59,160
Speaker 4: the highest level of that that they that they can

1886
01:34:59,240 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 4: and encourage them and motivate them and like really reflect

1887
01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:05,840
Speaker 4: to them what their special qualities are, not like what

1888
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:08,360
Speaker 4: you would like to see them do, right, because.

1889
01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:13,559
Speaker 6: And they're gonna become people you don't know them yet,

1890
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 6: they're strangers. They're gonna become like a full person at

1891
01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:19,479
Speaker 6: some point, so like the goal is to help them

1892
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:22,439
Speaker 6: reach that that autonomy in that personhood hopefully, you know,

1893
01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 6: if you're a good parent. It's not uh, not that

1894
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:27,040
Speaker 6: it's not cute to see everybody's you know, dress up

1895
01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:28,280
Speaker 6: the kids for Halloween and stuff.

1896
01:35:28,280 --> 01:35:30,599
Speaker 7: That's very you know, like.

1897
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:32,360
Speaker 6: You know, at some point it's kind of like this

1898
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:34,840
Speaker 6: is gonna I think one of the dopest things that,

1899
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:40,840
Speaker 6: uh that we're seeing is people kind of pushing back

1900
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:46,040
Speaker 6: against that idea of like the the gender gender announcement

1901
01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:50,120
Speaker 6: for your kids. Not that not that it's like wrong.

1902
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:51,560
Speaker 6: I mean, y'all are blowing sh up. I don't know

1903
01:35:51,560 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 6: what y'all was wrong with people people have died, but

1904
01:35:55,680 --> 01:35:57,920
Speaker 6: I remember someone being like, you know, this is kind

1905
01:35:57,960 --> 01:36:00,760
Speaker 6: of appropriately you don't even really know necessarily gender your kid,

1906
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:02,920
Speaker 6: And I was like yeah, And also it feels like

1907
01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:04,439
Speaker 6: a cheap excuse to have another baby shower.

1908
01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:06,160
Speaker 7: You're not tricking me. You got two gifts out of me,

1909
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:07,120
Speaker 7: and I know what you're up too much.

1910
01:36:07,160 --> 01:36:07,320
Speaker 4: Friend.

1911
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:12,280
Speaker 6: But what someone said in response to that once they said,

1912
01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:16,200
Speaker 6: well then if my child identifies.

1913
01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:17,679
Speaker 7: Differently, we'll have another gender reveal.

1914
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:21,960
Speaker 3: And I said, actually, that's kind of dope, like like okay,

1915
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:24,320
Speaker 3: like we were kind of fucking around earlier, we didn't know,

1916
01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:27,880
Speaker 3: but you said, okay, cool, you want to do this again.

1917
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 3: You're fourteen now, poond like, oh, that's a dope. That's

1918
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 3: a way to make it positive as.

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Speaker 6: Opposed to you know, especially right now in our society.

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Speaker 6: So way to take something positive instead of just like,

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Speaker 6: here's a scary thing the government is gonna get you for,

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Speaker 6: and you still have a supportive if you have a

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Speaker 6: supportive family around you. So it was, but it would

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Speaker 6: just reframe my thinking of like, oh that so there's

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Speaker 6: a supportive Uh I think you said it earlier. It's

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Speaker 6: the generosity. If there's a spirit of generosity, it'll work

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Speaker 6: out way better than this like spirit of control. I'm

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Speaker 6: gonna make you do something.

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Speaker 4: You got to be grown enough to be able to

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Speaker 4: just hold space for that yes to the old space

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Speaker 4: for like whoever this other person is and whatever energy

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Speaker 4: they got coming out of them, and just not making

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Speaker 4: it about you, you know, and and it's like and

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Speaker 4: as a final thought, you know, when you were talking,

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Speaker 4: it reminded me of you know, just another huge anomaly

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Speaker 4: in our culture, which is we do not have a

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Speaker 4: right of passage. Yes we don't have a bar mitzvah.

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Speaker 4: We don't. I mean obviously Jewish Americans, but every culture,

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Speaker 4: you know, they have a vision quest. They have like

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Speaker 4: some crazy shit that they do where it's just like, okay,

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Speaker 4: you know before you were like our child, right and

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Speaker 4: you needed that guidance and you needed to be taught

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Speaker 4: right and wrong and you need to be fit, and

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Speaker 4: now you're like, you know, usually it's around fourteen that's

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Speaker 4: kind of like the big you know, that's when James

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Speaker 4: Baldwin's first novel you know, takes place. Is like it's

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Speaker 4: such a pivotal time. You know, you're getting your own

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Speaker 4: teeth in. You know, you're not doing the baby teeth anymore,

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Speaker 4: and you know, there's like a sense of who you are,

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Speaker 4: like your archetype, you know, just you know, you as

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Speaker 4: like an actual human being rather than.

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Speaker 6: Just like I blame capitalism because I mean, I guess

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Speaker 6: we can set off everything, but I was gonna say,

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Speaker 6: because especially in America, it was your children are your property.

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Speaker 7: Yes, you belong to me.

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Speaker 3: You work for me, you want to work the feel Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you literally are my property like a piece of chair,

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Speaker 3: and you belong to me.

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Speaker 6: And I think if you flip it, parent like ideally

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Speaker 6: to me parenting is I belong to you, so like

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Speaker 6: like you ain't have to be born, right, I'm just

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Speaker 6: here to try to help you get to whatever the

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Speaker 6: actualization you're trying to get.

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Speaker 7: That that's such.

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Speaker 6: A more healthier attitude than the like, I don't give

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Speaker 6: a fuck if you are thirty, you my child.

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Speaker 4: The deepest fast lighting in the human species, or or

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Speaker 4: at least one of the greatest lighting is honor thy

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Speaker 4: mother and thy father's. It's like, you know what, I

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Speaker 4: honor honorable people. Yes, yeah, the people who happened to

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Speaker 4: be my mother and father are honorable people. Then yeah,

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Speaker 4: but like why do you why are you going to

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Speaker 4: be honored because you my You know, it reminds me

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Speaker 4: of that great h George Bernard Shaw, the Irish playwright.

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Speaker 4: He had this great quote that said, uh, you know,

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Speaker 4: patriotism is believing your country special just for the fact

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Speaker 4: that you happen to be born in it, and its yeah,

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Speaker 4: just because I happen to be born of these people,

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Speaker 4: are raised by these people or whatever. It's just like

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Speaker 4: it's not about me, you know, but we it's so

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Speaker 4: hard for us to to just get out of that

1982
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Speaker 4: mindset because everything is reinforced in that. The entire market

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Speaker 4: is built on that, and if we break out that,

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Speaker 4: we find that we actually don't need like a whole

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Speaker 4: lot of shit.

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Speaker 6: Everything is ownership in America. You own your own, your spouse,

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Speaker 6: you own your kids, your own.

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Speaker 7: This is ownership.

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Speaker 6: But at the end today you're just renting earth like

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Speaker 6: you're gonna not be here.

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Speaker 4: So I call my dog, you know, like, hey, if

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Speaker 4: we ever like end up in a world with dogs,

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Speaker 4: you know where dogs around the world, like you call

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Speaker 4: the shots man. Yes, you know the humans are doing

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Speaker 4: this right now.

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Speaker 7: So that's a very good ricking Morny episode about that.

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Speaker 6: It is be good to your pets, everybody good to

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Speaker 6: your pets.

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Speaker 7: Me it's me, oh right, so the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, because in my mind I'm seeing like two

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Speaker 3: names and I want to be like, oh me is

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Speaker 3: if like first name, but it's me.

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Speaker 7: Oh, that's the whole me out. Thank you for.

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Speaker 3: Being baby really appreciated, you really enjoyed this conversation to

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Speaker 3: meet you.

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Speaker 7: Shout out to Mike Caplan.

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Speaker 6: Yes, guest recommendation and can you tell the people like

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Speaker 6: where to find you, where to engage your work all

2009
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Speaker 6: of that stuff.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you can find me at my My professional site

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Speaker 4: with my services is holding Passionate dot spaces where uh,

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Speaker 4: you know, I offer life purpose coaching and sacred medicine

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01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:12,800
Speaker 4: consultation and advising, as well as writing services if you

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Speaker 4: have a passion to write and get your voice out

2015
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Speaker 4: there in a meaningful way from like you know, from

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Speaker 4: birth of of you know, figuring out what you want

2017
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Speaker 4: to write about, to get a published, getting an agent

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Speaker 4: and all that. You know, I really I love that

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Speaker 4: whole like birth process. Why I call myself a book

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Speaker 4: doulah and you know, and I I'm also a writer

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Speaker 4: and put myself out there. And so there's also uh

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Speaker 4: my personal website that's that's about me, not about like

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Speaker 4: what I do for other people. Uh, and that's neome

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Speaker 4: hyphen okay dot com. And then all the all of

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Speaker 4: the social media is uh is available from those places,

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Speaker 4: all right. And also one thing that I'm gonna that

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Speaker 4: I'm doing, you know, talking about you know, turning around

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Speaker 4: and giving back, is I'm I'm actually starting to facilitate

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Speaker 4: Aahuascar retreats as well, and regarding people through that process,

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Speaker 4: working with indigenous healers, being like kind of liaison, explaining

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Speaker 4: what the hell these magical people are actually doing and

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Speaker 4: why it works and yeah, and just like really assisting

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Speaker 4: people in the process because it's so specific and it's

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Speaker 4: it's really hard to understand and I can't pretend that

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Speaker 4: I fully grasp by any means. But you know, but

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Speaker 4: I'm further ahead than a lot of people, and I'm

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Speaker 4: happy to share and try to be as helpful as possible.

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Speaker 4: So I do announce my retreats on my substack, which

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Speaker 4: you can also reach through my website if you want

2040
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:41,640
Speaker 4: to catch up with, you know, whatever I'm doing. And

2041
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Speaker 4: I always try to offer scholarships to BIPOP because you know,

2042
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Speaker 4: you got to look out for the community. I'm kind

2043
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Speaker 4: of just getting started now, so it's not all the retreats.

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Speaker 4: I'm able to do that just yet because I got

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Speaker 4: to see how the money works and stuff. But that's

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Speaker 4: the dream, that's that's really I'm all about accessibility because

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Speaker 4: that's I'm a scholarship kid.

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Speaker 7: That means maybe yes, And just two quick show notes.

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Speaker 6: I know people showed up and they were probably expecting

2050
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Speaker 6: us to talk about all this wrap beef that is

2051
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Speaker 6: happening that right now between Drake and Kendrick, and I

2052
01:43:20,439 --> 01:43:24,760
Speaker 6: think Rick Ross jumped in it, Jabe. I promise we're

2053
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Speaker 6: gonna talk about it. We'll talk about it tomorrow. I'll

2054
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Speaker 6: listen to everything I was. I love this. I love

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Speaker 6: this for us. I love that we're living at a time

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Speaker 6: where people are being the opposite of everything we talked

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Speaker 6: about this first hour and a half. They are being

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Speaker 6: me and each other.

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Speaker 4: I would have very I would have had very little

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Speaker 4: in the country you wanted to like get down and

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Speaker 4: dirty about.

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Speaker 7: Okay, Yeah, I'm just very Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 6: I wasn't gonna try to throw you for a loop.

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Speaker 6: That's why I was like, I would do that. So

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Speaker 6: we're gonna do that tomorrow. I know y'all showed up

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Speaker 6: looking for that. The second thing is shout out to

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Speaker 6: my uh former coworker, Tommy Craggs, who is uh overseas

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Speaker 6: right now. I think for making like he's visiting a friend.

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Speaker 6: Maybe for a wedding or something, and he texted me

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Speaker 6: to be like, Uh, my friend who's like a very

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Speaker 6: liberal white person that lives in like some other country.

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Speaker 6: They their favorite podcast is your show. You have a

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Speaker 6: weird fan base, and I just want you to know,

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Speaker 6: shout out to that friend.

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Speaker 7: Whoever.

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Speaker 8: Shout out to that friend.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And we love our weird fan base, asked Tommy about

2079
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Speaker 3: the time he almost gave the whole office COVID. All right,

2080
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Speaker 3: that'll be that'll be an awkward conversation. Make them talk

2081
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Speaker 3: about that, and we'll be back tomorrow talking about all

2082
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Speaker 3: that stuff.

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Speaker 7: We appreciate y'all. Until next time, I love you. I

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Speaker 7: love you too, La,