1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Holly Frye and 3 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: I'm Tracy V. Wilson. Oh what a mess of a 4 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: marathon we talked about this week we did. First, I 5 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: want to talk about a couple of things related specifically 6 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: to this, and then I'll go on my TI rad 7 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: or they'll get intertwined. I don't know one of the 8 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 1: things that made me infuriated, and obviously, like I mean, 9 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: I would say that those athletes were fully abused, no 10 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: qualifier at all. I agree were abused by race organizers. 11 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: It would have sucked and been really bad if they 12 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: were just really bad at planning and that's why things 13 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: went so poorly. But because they purposefully treated them like 14 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: lab experiments and almost killed two of them, I have 15 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: no sympathy for them. Yeah, it's very bad. Charles Lucas 16 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: in his book is that's a fascinating and like I said, 17 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: gross and racist at points read. But what's really interesting 18 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: is that he both praises Hicks for his you know, 19 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: incredible drive to finish the race and says really insulting 20 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: things about him. And he's kind of that way with 21 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: a lot of them, But like at one point, there's 22 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: one quote where he's talking about Hicks towards the end 23 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: and he said his mind continually rove towards something to eat, 24 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: and in the last mile, Hicks continually harped on the subject. 25 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: And I'm like, I hate you, Charless because he was hungry, hydrated, 26 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: and hungry and possibly dying from the strick nine. You 27 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: gave him right so much anger. That entire read is 28 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: again fascinating because it is an insight into how race 29 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: organizers and the Olympic Committee perceived what they were doing, 30 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 1: and horrifying because it is super racist and also treats 31 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: all of the runners like labrats. Yeah, human beings. But 32 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: to make it a little bit funnier, I wanted to 33 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: talk again about Felix Carva Hall because he I think, 34 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: here's why I believe the Apple story. So after he 35 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: went to the nineteen oh four Games, and even though 36 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: he didn't meddle, he was considered to have really been 37 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: a pretty good representative for Cuba and Cuban athletics. So 38 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: when the nineteen o six Games happened in Athens, they 39 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: actually sent him there like they he didn't have to 40 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: do the whole like I just want to go on 41 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: the strip by myself. They actually like fundraised and but 42 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: he did go by himself again and he didn't make 43 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: it to the Games, but we don't know why because 44 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: after he got to Italy he disappeared well okay, and 45 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: nobody knew his whereabouts and there was no sign of him, 46 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: and so he was presumed dead. Wow, newspapers in Cuba 47 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: ran his obituary. But then he just showed up in 48 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: Havana one day on a steamer from Spain with a 49 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: Spanish flag, and he didn't ever relate, to the best 50 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: of my knowledge, explain where he had been. But it 51 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: seemed like he had a fun time in Europe and 52 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,839 Speaker 1: then came home. So funny. So I went hundred percent 53 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: believe that he ate some apples, didn't feel good, took 54 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: a quick map. Yeah, he seems like a very fun guy. 55 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: Little focus issues. One of the things that is uh cool, 56 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the right. Thing helpful about 57 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: this particular race is that there is visual documentation of it. 58 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: There are photographs of those runners there. You know, we 59 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: see a lot of a lot of the things that 60 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 1: we talked about are photographed, and some of it is 61 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 1: hard to look at because you see how like Hicks 62 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: is is not there. He looks like he is comatose 63 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,239 Speaker 1: as he's you know, kind of being pushed along essentially. 64 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: But it is cute and you do get to see 65 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 1: Carva Hall in his cute little dandy outfit. And I listen, 66 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: this is where we talk about like you and I 67 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: have both run distance races, not like big competitors, but 68 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: I've done a marathon. Run is generous, right I did. 69 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: I completed a half marathon right, same, same, same. I'm 70 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: a run walk interval gallery. That was when I was 71 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: running regularly. Two water stops is often what you would 72 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: get in a five k. Yeah. So this made me 73 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: particularly mad in this moment that we're living in because 74 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: we've had so much here in the US, and I'm 75 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: sure else. I can't speak for the rest of the world. 76 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: I am not up to the minute on other nations weather, 77 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: but here in the US we have had a whole 78 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: lot of record breaking heat this summer and a movement 79 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 1: for federal safety standards for worker safety during heat that 80 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: includes things like water. And I think as our climate 81 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: has gotten warmer, more people have become aware of how 82 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: dangerous heat and humidity can be, especially if you don't 83 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: have a way to cool off, a way to get 84 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 1: in the shade, ample water, and so this like just 85 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: the whole idea of We're going to start a race 86 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: when it's already ninety degrees and humid and not give 87 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: any people. We're not going to give people hardly any water, 88 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: and we're gonna do that on purpose. It just made 89 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: me really angry. And then we're going to poison some 90 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, because Lucas was involved in that decision 91 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: to give Hicks strick nine, So that came from like 92 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 1: one of the organizers, right, what the actual bleep? Right? 93 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: Like I can't what This also is interesting because that 94 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: gets referenced as the first known instance of doping in 95 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: modern sports m which is like a I have like 96 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: the quizzical puppy question mark face because I'm like, well, 97 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: doping slash poisoning someone. But you know, Hicks is very 98 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: lucky he didn't die. Those organizers are very lucky that 99 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: he didn't die, and that Garcia didn't die on the court, 100 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: right right. I also feel like there is a difference 101 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: between when someone becomes injured or in some other way 102 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: is struggling during an event, and another competitor, like in 103 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: a display of short of sporting behavior, helps them and 104 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: they finish together. Right, I feel like there's a difference 105 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: between that and staff people literally carrying a competitor who 106 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: honestly should be in the hospital. And like this is 107 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: also a good I don't know if it's a good example, 108 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: but it's a good contrast to see how things like 109 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: regulation and sport are vital and to see just how 110 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: far we've come. Right, The thought of somebody going, okay, 111 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: you have the Olympics and then like go with God, 112 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: make that thing happen would never happen today. There are 113 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: so many regulations, rules, checklists, guidelines, and I mean, everything 114 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: has to start somewhere. But this is kind of like 115 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: the good cautionary tale of like, I know, sometimes rules 116 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: can become convoluted and probably frustrating for people trying to 117 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: organize things, but also no rules leads to this oof. 118 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: I literally think about you know, I have done one marathon. 119 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: I hated it. You were there that day, Thank goodness, 120 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: Like I I mean, I'm glad I did it. I 121 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: can say like, oh I did a marathon, I have 122 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: friends that do it, that do them regularly and love 123 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: them and like, but I just no think I want 124 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: to do that again, and I cannot. And I had 125 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: like all of the benefits, right, like I did the 126 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: Disney World Marathon, which is like support support, support support. 127 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: They have you know, nurses stations, they have all of 128 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: the water stops, they have things to entertain you and 129 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 1: keep you occupied. They have all of the help you 130 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: could possibly need. And I still found it miserable and difficult. 131 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: And I was running in you know, modern, very engineered 132 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: running clothes, right, and also in you know, moderate cool 133 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: temperatures on a pretty flat course. M hmm, because you're 134 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: in Orlando. Yeah, they start the races at like ungodly 135 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: hours of the morning so early. I feel like we 136 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: got up at three am or something. I don't remember. 137 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: We got it really yeah, yeah, I mean I have run. 138 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: I think the hottest I have ever been in a 139 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: race wasn't a race in Orlando. It was only a 140 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: ten k and I remember at the end of that 141 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: feeling like ooh that was dangerous towards the end, and 142 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: again same, I had all of the support on earth. 143 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: There was water, there was food waiting for me at 144 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: the end there were you know, so I just my 145 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: hat is off to anyone who even got past the 146 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: mile marker on this one. But also like that's all 147 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: very wrong and I wish they did not do it. 148 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: But right, right, yeah, I've only done the one half marathon, 149 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: which I kind of did on a whim, and occasionally 150 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: I will think should I do that again? And I 151 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: enjoyed having done it, Like the process of training, the 152 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: training that I did was like not something that I enjoyed. 153 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: I would say the race itself that was that was fine. Uh, 154 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: but like the process of feeling confident that I would finish, 155 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: I would finish it and I would not have to 156 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: be picked up in a golf cart and transported somewhere. 157 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: Like the process of getting physically to that point was 158 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: just a lot. And I try to, like I try 159 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 1: to exercise regularly because my mental and physical health feel 160 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: better when I do that. But like the what I 161 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: had to dedicate myself to to do that half marathon 162 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: was like not was not the same. Oh yeah, the 163 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: training was the worst part, right, Like because I was 164 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: doing the stupid Listen, it's not stupid if you're doing 165 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 1: it, It was stupid. For me, I shouldn't probably have done it. 166 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: I was doing the Goofy where you eat the half 167 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: on Saturday in the full on Sunday, and so to 168 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: train like in the months leading up to it, I 169 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 1: was just like, I don't have a social life anymore. 170 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: I don't. I have no balance to my life because 171 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: I'm either working or running. That's stopped being fun. Yeah, 172 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: we also did a five k before all of that. 173 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: I did, and there are people now that do the 174 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: five k. They have since added a ten k to 175 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: that race weekend and then the half and then the full, 176 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: and again, my hat is off to you. Some of 177 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: those people are amazingly conditioned. But for me, have I 178 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: ever told you about the hilarious things that I have encountered, 179 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:33,479 Speaker 1: specifically during the Space Coast half marathon, I don't think so. 180 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: So one the Brandy thing reminded me this was not 181 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: at Space Coast, this was a Disney thing. There was 182 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: a woman who finished several races, several half marathons, pretty 183 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: close to a similar time to me. Because I saw 184 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: this happen at least three times, and it was the 185 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 1: same woman. Because you know, there are people who love 186 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: Disney races and they'll do all of them. And she 187 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: always had pretty close to the finish line, like, you know, 188 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: just a little ways up from it, friends that were 189 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: there with a pitcher, and they would pour her a 190 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: margarita and she would finish the race holding a margarita. Okay, 191 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: always thought was really funny and great. But on the 192 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: Space Coast Half Marathon, which starts in Cocoa Beach and 193 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: it goes up and down the coast there and it's 194 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: absolutely beautiful and it's a really fun one and you 195 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: get very cool space themed medals because it's right there 196 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: by the Kennedy Space Center. You're running through neighborhoods and 197 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: there is one family who I do not know their names, 198 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: but I wish all of the blessings of life upon them, 199 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: who basically set up their own unofficial AID station. And 200 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: when I tell you it's an AID station, what it 201 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: really is is an amazing party on their lawn. Like 202 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: they have things you would want like water, you know, 203 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: sports drink, et cetera. But they also are out there 204 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: with full chafing dish is full of like bacon, oh wow, 205 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: other light sandwiches. If you don't want to do something 206 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: foolish and eat bacon. Yeah, I was gonna put through 207 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 1: some people, but I ate the bacon every time, and 208 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: I was the idea of eating bacon in the middle 209 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: of that immediately turn by stomach. I don't remember if 210 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: it was at their house or another one nearby that 211 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: they had somebody out there with essentially like a bar 212 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: out posts where they would pour you a drink if 213 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: you wanted. And for people like me that were not 214 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: like I gotta run this thing for a time, I'm 215 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: going like that one is is I will say before 216 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: you think like nobody should have bacon on a course 217 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: that particular race, because the half marathon you have the 218 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: same allowance of time that the full marathon has because 219 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: it's the way the course is laid out. The marathon 220 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: is running part of the half marathon course, so like 221 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: they don't close it, and there are people that walk 222 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: the whole thing and it's a pretty casual, like I'm 223 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: just gonna have a long morning of walking around the beach, 224 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: enjoying the beautiful weather and smiling and waving at people, 225 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: and I'm going to get my big you know, space 226 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: shuttle metal at the end. And so for those people 227 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: and often by the end because it's an out and 228 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: back course. You would pass that house twiceh So I 229 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't always take bacon on the way out, but on 230 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: the way back when I'm like, I got two miles left, 231 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna walk it and eat bacon. That sounds great. Yeah, 232 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: I'll take a Yeah, I'll take a cocktail. That sounds amazing. 233 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: I have had some amazing experiences running half marathons. Yeah, 234 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: and I really enjoyed them when I was doing them 235 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: all the time. But now I just feel like it's 236 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: too much effort and my body doesn't want to do 237 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: that anymore. Yeah, I am. Then the one half marathon 238 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: that I did, I injured my foot and had to 239 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: see a podiatrist afterward. I remember, I remember, but if 240 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: you do such things, please take care of your body. 241 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: Don't do foolishness. Don't do it. You know. It's I 242 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: think about and I wonder if you know. Years down 243 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: the road, Hicks was like, yeah, that was worth it. 244 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: I don't think he ran again. I didn't pursue it, 245 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: but I saw one right up that said that was 246 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: his last race, and I'm like, yeah, it would be 247 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: mine too. I got poisoned, like so in any case 248 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: if you do distance running one, I cheer you to 249 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: take care of yourself out there, especially in very hot weather. 250 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: It's rough. You gotta be really looking out for your 251 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: hydration and your your health. We talked about Emily's Sergeant 252 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: and Judith Sergeant Murray this week on the podcast, which 253 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: was a great excuse for me to take a little 254 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: field trip out to Gloucester. I love kpe Ann. I've 255 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: been out to Cape Ann a few times. I find 256 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: the whole area very beautiful. And I went on the 257 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: Friday before July fourth because that day we had as 258 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 1: a half day, uh, and I was like, I have 259 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: things I want to do in Gloucester, being going to 260 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: these museums for work. So what I'm going to do 261 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: is I'm going to go to Gloucester, go to these museums, 262 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: and then my half day will begin and I will 263 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: already be in Gloucester and I can walk around and 264 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: look at the water. And that is exactly what I did. 265 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: One amusing thing that happened the way this so the 266 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: Sergeant House Historical Home museum. It is largely focused on 267 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: Judas Sergeant Marie, but there are also other families that 268 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: owned the home after she lived there, and there's some 269 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: reference to them also, and so there are guided tours 270 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: of the house that leave on the hour, and I 271 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: was there for the first one of the day, and 272 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 1: so it was just me and these two other women 273 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: and a docent, and it was also pretty early in 274 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: their season. It's a museum that's only open in the 275 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: summer because it does not it's not like climate controlled 276 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: for winters in Massachusetts. And so we got near the 277 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: end of this tour and one of the other people 278 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: who was on it asked our tour guide, how many 279 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: men come on this tour. She just kind of paused 280 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: and went almost always only with a woman, which I 281 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: found to be funny. One of the things that they 282 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: have on display in this museum are some childhood drawings 283 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: done by a John Singer sergeant, and they one hundred 284 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 1: percent looked like something a child could have drawn with 285 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: a pencil today. There's one that I think is supposed 286 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 1: to be his father that if you look at it, 287 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: maybe his father's like at a writing desk, or maybe 288 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 1: it's supposed to be a book. But I was like, 289 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: this looks like a six year old drewet yesterday, and 290 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: that's their dad. On a lap top, which I have 291 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: pretty great. Something about Judith's Sergeant Murray that I could 292 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: not find a place to fit in the episode but 293 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 1: wanted to mention is that she actually agreed with Noah 294 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: Webster that there should be an American language in an 295 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: American dictionary. I don't know if she went quite as 296 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: far as the spelling reforms that he proposed, but she 297 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: was very on board with the idea of, like, we 298 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: need an American way of speaking and writing, yeah, to 299 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: which I go, okay, yeah. I have such conflicted, weird 300 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 1: feelings about that, about the language part, well, just about 301 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: like the idea of rejecting things that have gone before 302 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: in favor of establishing a new identity. I understand that completely, 303 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: but it's also kind of like it makes me think 304 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: of the French Republican calendar, where it's like, you you 305 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: don't have to disrupt everybody's everything to prove that you 306 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:22,239 Speaker 1: are your own unique identity. Like yeah, it's okay, uh, 307 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: you know, people were already functioning. It's fine. I would 308 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: I would vote in lieu of we need to make 309 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: a new American English dictionary, saying we are gonna be 310 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: less fussy about all the rules. As long as everybody 311 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 1: understands each other, that'd be cool. Yeah, that should be 312 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: the identity. Yeah, everybody be cool. That's always my bottom line, 313 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: Like that should be the driving decider. There are reasons 314 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: I don't hold positions of power or government. Yeah. Uh. 315 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: One thing that I noticed as I was researching Judith 316 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: Sergeant Murray specifically was kind of a weird debunking tone 317 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: in some recently written work about her. And the reason 318 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: it was weird to me was that it was sort 319 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: of judging how feminist she was. Humh. And I kind 320 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: of feel like like she was one of the first, 321 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: if not the first women writing, you know, people of 322 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: European descent writing in North America specifically about women's rights, 323 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: like one of the first people to do that. And 324 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: it's true. She wrote a lot of other stuff on 325 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: a lot of other subjects, a lot on universalism, a 326 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: lot on how she thought the country should operate, like 327 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: a lot that wasn't about women's rights. And her views 328 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: on women's rights like definitely reflect the time she was 329 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 1: living in and her upbringing and like existing thought on 330 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: the roles of women, Like that's true of everyone, and 331 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: so I, like I felt like the things that have 332 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: not been discussed as much about her, Like there hasn't 333 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: been as much discussion of like how really focused she 334 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,719 Speaker 1: was on other women like herself and sort of not 335 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: even really observing women of other classes or other races, 336 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: Like I think that's an important thing to note. Also 337 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: really important to note how slavery was connected to all 338 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: of this, because that is not mentioned at all in 339 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: a lot of writing about her, and I had to 340 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: do a lot of digging to talk about that. But 341 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: like there was just this sense that what people were 342 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: focused on was like a yardstick of how feminist she was. 343 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: And I was like, this is weird to me because 344 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: anytime we're talking, we're like anytime we're using the word 345 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: feminists to describe a woman who was living before that 346 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: term was really coined and used in the way we 347 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: use it now, like it's always not going to compare 348 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 1: to later thought about gender and sex, right, And I 349 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: just I found it odd. I was like, this is 350 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: I feel like there's a weird debunkery happening, but that 351 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: it's focused in an odd direction. I mean, I haven't 352 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: read these things, so I am talking strictly from your descriptor, 353 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: but I think what often happens, right is those sorts 354 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: of comparisons of like saying, well, she wasn't really x 355 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: amount feminist. It's almost the same as things going like 356 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: from any direction. Is that I understand the desire to 357 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: boil everything down to like kind of you know, simple 358 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: identifiers to parse the world that we live in, but 359 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 1: that robs all of it of its nuance a little 360 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: bit which is worthy of consideration and is sort of 361 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: looking at a human's life as a whole. Yeah, it's 362 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: a tricky balance. Like I said, I understand the impulse 363 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 1: to kind of do the checklist, but I also recognize 364 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: that that is not going to give you a true 365 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 1: representation of the thing that you're measuring. Yeah, there was 366 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 1: kind of a vibe of like, people keep calling her 367 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: a feminist, but she thought that women should be mothers, 368 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: And I'm like, so did a lot of early suffragists. 369 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: Why is this what we're pointing out? Uh. The one 370 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: other thing that I wanted to note is I think 371 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: there may be folks who are thinking about Emily Sergeant 372 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: and the fact that Emily Sergeant never married or had 373 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: children and was lifelong friends with Vernon Lee, also known 374 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: as Violet Paget and Vernon Lee, as we know, had 375 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: a number of like long term, committed relationships with other women. 376 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: So I feel like a logical reasonable question is do 377 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: we know anything about like Emily Sargent's sexual orientation or 378 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: romantic life. I have no idea. I found no reference 379 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 1: to any of that in any work about about her. 380 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 1: There's a lot more writing about John Singer Sargent, and 381 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: the episode was not about him, and so I did 382 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: not even really try to get into that at all. Right, 383 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: at that point, everything is conjecture. Yeah, if people are 384 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: curious about Emily, I honestly I don't know, don't know 385 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: it all. So I am still very captivated by her 386 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: life story and hope that one day, as there's more 387 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 1: interest in her, as more museums have more of her 388 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 1: work and there will be more of it on display, 389 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: that I hope there will be more research into her 390 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: life and maybe a full biography of her own one day. 391 00:25:53,440 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 1: Thinker's crossed. Yeah, So happy Friday. Whatever's happening this weekend 392 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,719 Speaker 1: for you, I hope it's as great as possible. If 393 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: you want to drop us a note about anything, We're 394 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: at History Podcasts at iHeartRadio dot com. 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