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Speaker 2: It is the Jesse Kelly Show. Another hour of the

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Speaker 2: Jesse Kelly Show on a wonderful, wonderful Monday. Coming up,

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Speaker 2: we have Brandon Wiker a half hour from now. Why

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Speaker 2: is the Navy and Marines? What exactly are they planning

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Speaker 2: about that about a half hour from now. I'm actually

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Speaker 2: said today that is making a lot of people on

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Speaker 2: the right angry about bringing in Chinese students, lots of them.

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Speaker 2: But you know what time it is, Oh, that's political.

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Speaker 2: We don't have time for that. Now. It's the start

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Speaker 2: of the second hour on Monday. So it's Medal of

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Speaker 2: Honor Monday time. Same thing every Monday, at this time,

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Speaker 2: we take a medal of honor, citation, we read it.

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Speaker 2: We remember the men, we honor them, We honor their deeds.

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Speaker 2: We have to tell our children about these men and

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Speaker 2: the things they did. And remember we accept suggestions. If

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Speaker 2: you have ones you like, ones you're related to. Once

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Speaker 2: you just enjoy whatever. It's not just love hating death

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Speaker 2: threats you can send into Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com.

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna do too tonight. This guy says, Jesse.

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Speaker 2: I went to Washington with my daughter on her fifth

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Speaker 2: grade trip. That's so cool. You got to go. I

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Speaker 2: didn't get to go. I wanted to go when my

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Speaker 2: the National Vietnam War Memorial and searched for a specific name,

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Speaker 2: First Lieutenant Douglas B. Fournette. He was from my hometown

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Speaker 2: of Lake Charles, Louisiana. Before you get to the two

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Speaker 2: to ten loop bridge, you will see a dedicated marker

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Speaker 2: to this warrior. He came from a hard nosed family.

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Speaker 2: His brother Rocky was such a fierce defensive back of

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Speaker 2: McNee State that the coach made him wear a black

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Speaker 2: field at all times. Love what you're doing. Every Monday,

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Speaker 2: I take my daughter Mollie to a Monday night activity

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Speaker 2: and we get to bond together listening to medal of

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Speaker 2: honor Monday. Gosh, that's freaking cool. Love your brother be well.

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Speaker 2: So without further ado born and as you heard in

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Speaker 1: Did, hey, honoring those who went above and beyond. It's

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Speaker 1: Medal of Honor Monday.

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Speaker 2: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity in action at the risk

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Speaker 2: First Lieutenant Fournette, Infantry distinguished himself in action while serving

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Speaker 2: as rifle platoon leader of second Platoon, Company B. While

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Speaker 2: advancing uphill against fortified enemy posis in the a Shah Valley,

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Speaker 2: the platoon encountered intense sniper fire, making movement very difficult.

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Speaker 2: The right flank man suddenly discovered an enemy Claymore mind

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Speaker 2: First Lieutenant Fournette ordered his men to take cover and

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Speaker 2: as he approached it with complete disregard for his safety

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Speaker 2: He used his body as a shield in front of

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Speaker 2: Five men nearest the mine were slightly wounded, but First

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Speaker 2: Lieutenant Fournette's heroic and unselfish act spared his men of

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Speaker 2: and reflect great credit upon him himself, his unit in

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Speaker 2: the US Army. And just to let you know, in

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Speaker 2: To throw yourself in front of one that you know

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Speaker 2: the enemy holds the clacker, you set them off for

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Speaker 2: Douglas Bernard Fournette. Now for our second one. This one

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Speaker 3: On the name ca ho.

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Speaker 2: Ohannohanno, Ca ho Ohannohno, that's just his last name, caho

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Speaker 2: of Honor citation for an Anthony T. Caho Ohannohanno. And

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Speaker 1: I do that, hey, honoring those who went above and beyond.

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Speaker 2: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life,

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Speaker 2: above and beyond the call of duty. Private first Class

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Speaker 2: Anthony T. Caho Company H seventeenth Infantry Regiment, seventh Infantry

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Speaker 2: Division distinguished himself by extraordinary heroism and action against the

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Speaker 2: first of September nineteenth fifty one. On that date, Private

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Speaker 2: As the hostile troops concentrated their strength against his emplacement

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Speaker 2: Ho fought fiercely and courageously, delivering deadly accurate fire into

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Speaker 2: combat until he was killed. Private first Class caho Ohanohanno's

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Speaker 2: heroic stand so inspired his comrades they launched a counter

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Speaker 2: Class caho Ohano Hanno's emplacement, friendly troops discovered eleven enemy

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Speaker 2: Class coho Ohanohanno's extraordinary heroism and selfless devotion to duty

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Speaker 2: and reflect great credit upon himself the seventh Infantry Division

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Speaker 2: in honor of both of these gentlemen. To now, it's

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Speaker 2: amazing how often those Korean War ones go that way,

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Speaker 2: read more Korean books than I can count, and that's

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Speaker 2: just the Korean War. You take a hilltop, the Chinese,

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Speaker 2: it is called the Forgotten War, and it really truly

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Speaker 2: is the Forgotten War. Look into Korea, Look into Korea.

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Speaker 2: If this stuff interests you, fascinates you, you want to learn

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Speaker 2: Chosen Reservoir. Highly recommend it. Uh, I don't remember if

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Speaker 2: next truth attitude. Jesse Kelly, it is the Jesse Kelly Show,

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Speaker 2: A wonderful, wonderful Monday, just a medal of honor Monday.

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Speaker 2: Remember we have Brandon Wiker coming up ten minutes from now,

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Speaker 2: going to get us educated on what exactly is happening

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Speaker 2: in Venezuela. So Trump said something earlier today that has

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Speaker 2: it's a very important relationship.

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Speaker 4: We're going to get along good with China.

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Speaker 5: How here so many stories about we're not going to

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Speaker 5: allow their students, So we're going to allow their students

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Speaker 1: It's very important, six hundred thousand students. It's very important.

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Speaker 1: But we're going to get along.

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Speaker 2: With We're going to allow six hundred thousand Chinese students

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Speaker 2: into our country. Chinese spies is what they are. It's

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Speaker 2: not it's not exactly a guess. It's not an unknown thing.

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Speaker 2: China sends its young people into our country, into the

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Speaker 2: corporate thieves on the planet. They steal technology, they steal

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Speaker 2: duplicate it, and it's really really bad. And everyone's mad

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Speaker 2: at Trump today about that we're going to allow six

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Speaker 2: I'm mad too, so let me clarify that's that's really bad.

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Speaker 2: It's really bad. However, remember when Trump was talking with

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Speaker 2: Remember what Trump told him, you don't have the cards,

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Speaker 2: you don't have the cards, and Zolensky had to be

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Speaker 2: like a stupid, angry little troull I'm not playing cards.

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Speaker 2: And that everyone knows what Trump was saying, including Zelensky.

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Speaker 2: What does he mean by that? You don't have leverage.

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Speaker 2: Ukraine doesn't have any leverage. You can't militarily defeat the Russians.

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Speaker 2: You're not in possession of the territory the Russians have taken.

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Speaker 2: You don't have leverage. You can want it, you can

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Speaker 2: So let's have a frank talk about where we are

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Speaker 2: as a country right now. China produces ninety percent of

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Speaker 2: the pharmaceuticals that people take in the United States of America.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Brandon, why is the Navy going down to Venezuela.

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Speaker 4: Well, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 5: As always, the Navy has decided to flex some muscles

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Speaker 2: Oh well, that always goes well, Okay, let's rewind quite

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Speaker 2: a bit, because I realize everybody comes at the news

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Speaker 2: from different levels of understanding Venezuela. How did they get

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Speaker 2: Pretend like I don't know, squat what's going on there?

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, forty years ago, Venezuela was one of

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Speaker 5: They have sent Trende Aragua, which is a paramilitary force,

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Speaker 5: may or may not be some evidence that their company,

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Speaker 4: We need to have.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we are currently purchasing oil from Venezuela.

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Speaker 5: So there was a special carve out that was allowed

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Speaker 5: This became a fight about three or four months ago

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Speaker 4: So that's the logic. Now.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if that's what we should be doing,

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Speaker 2: Okay, Actually, we'll get to the Panama Canal thing in

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Speaker 2: a few moments. Can you elaborate more on Venezuela and

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Speaker 2: when it comes to cartels. People obviously know about Colombia

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Speaker 5: So Venezuela has a state owned cartel. Members of the

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Speaker 5: run excuse me, they all run Cartel of the Suns.

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Speaker 5: all as part of this feeder program to get their

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Speaker 2: Okay, now you mentioned China, you mentioned Russia. In what

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Speaker 5: Well, the Russians through the Wagner Group, which is their big,

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Speaker 5: The Russians are allowed to base nuclear capable Blackjack bombers

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Speaker 5: these massive contracts for access to Venezuela's oil and rare

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Speaker 5: control of the Panama Canal as well as their major

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Speaker 5: all is the epicenter of all of this, inviting the

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Speaker 2: Brandon, do you have I didn't even get to the

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Speaker 2: freaking Panama Canal or Venezuela's military capability. Ay? Do you

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Speaker 2: have time for one more segment with me?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I'm here.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we are going to come right back with Brandon

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Speaker 2: Weiker schooling us on Venezuela.

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Speaker 1: Hang up, Jesse Kelly returns next.

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Speaker 2: It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a Wonderful Monday.

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Speaker 2: email the show Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com. We

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Speaker 2: still have Brandon Wikert educating us on some things. When

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Speaker 2: it comes to Venezuela. Apparently the Navy is heading down there,

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Speaker 2: the Marines are heading down there. Before we get to

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Speaker 2: what's heading down there. How are they militarily at some

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Speaker 2: point in time, as you said, they were one of

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Speaker 2: the wealthiest countries in the world. What kind of military

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Speaker 2: are we dealing with here.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's pretty much a you know, conventional force wise,

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Speaker 5: it's not that impressive. I would argue even the hoofy

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Speaker 5: rebels of Yemen are probably more impressive with their anti

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Speaker 5: access area denial capabilities. The Venezuelans are late to the

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Speaker 5: party in terms of building up their own A twoad capacity.

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Speaker 5: The Russians, like I said, are helping them do that,

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Speaker 5: but again it's.

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Speaker 4: Late in the game. They do have these maoist.

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Speaker 5: Like militias that are you know, the Bolivar and the

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Speaker 5: you know militias which are like the people's militias, and

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Speaker 5: Maduro is claiming he's mobilizing four point five million of

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Speaker 5: these militia men to fight Los Gringos. I'm very skeptical

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Speaker 5: that he can mobilize that many. And even if he can,

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Speaker 5: you know this, this kind of reminds me of the

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Speaker 5: fed Eyen in Iraq. They really weren't that impressive at

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Speaker 5: the end of the day. Obviously Iraq itself was a disaster,

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Speaker 5: but actually knocking out Saddam was pretty straightforward. I think

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Speaker 5: the same thing is true of Maduro. I would just

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Speaker 5: posit if the Trump administration is playing its cards right,

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Speaker 5: it needs to remember it's not dealing with a jihadi

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Speaker 5: type leadership that wants to go meet their maker by

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Speaker 5: fighting to the death. They're dealing with basically a narco

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Speaker 5: criminal gang that just wants the biggest slice of the

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Speaker 5: pie they can get. If the Trump administration flexes its

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Speaker 5: muscle with these these military maneuvers off of Venezuela's coast

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Speaker 5: and signals to some element of Maduro's government, we will

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Speaker 5: leave you in place as long as you hand over

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Speaker 5: Maduro and let us get the oil. I think that's

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Speaker 5: a deal that some ambitious person or group working under

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Speaker 5: Maduro might go for, and it could be relatively bloodless,

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Speaker 5: because you know, it is a jungle war, even though

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Speaker 5: I don't think they're militarily on par with even say

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Speaker 5: the who these In certain ways, a jungle ground war

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Speaker 5: could get very.

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Speaker 4: Dicey, especially because I mean numbers matter. Four point five

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Speaker 4: million guys.

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Speaker 5: If they can get anywhere near that, that's going to

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Speaker 5: be a problem for us. But I think there's a

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Speaker 5: way we might be able to do this relatively bloodlessly.

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Speaker 5: I just hope the Trump administration is, you know, reaching

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Speaker 5: out to certain people in the in the regime who

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Speaker 5: might be willing to part ways with Maduro in exchange

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Speaker 5: for remaining in them remaining in power.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, jungle warfare freaking sucks. Okay, all right, let's go

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Speaker 2: to the Panama Canal because you brought that up, and

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Speaker 2: I know Trump's been hot on that for a while.

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Speaker 2: What do we what do we have now as far

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Speaker 2: as that situation goes, and what do we want?

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Speaker 5: Well, what we have now is basically the Chinese manage it.

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Speaker 5: They have the two largest ports, one on the mouth

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Speaker 5: of the Pacific side, one on the mouth of the

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Speaker 5: Atlantic side, and then they're building these My friend Michael

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Speaker 5: jan who's an independent war reporter, he's been in Panama

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Speaker 5: on and off for the last two years. He's actually

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Speaker 5: taken pictures and posted an on a substack of these

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Speaker 5: bridges the Chinese are building across the Panama Canal. So

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Speaker 5: the Chinese own major infrastructure. They have a huge footprint

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Speaker 5: in the Panama Canal zone. Now in peacetime, that's it

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Speaker 5: seems relatively you know, insignificant because ships are.

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Speaker 4: Still going through and whatnot. But with the.

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Speaker 5: Chinese managing the two sides of the Panama Canal and

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Speaker 5: the locks of the Panama Canal, the Chinese could easily

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Speaker 5: sabotage them in the event that a war between the

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Speaker 5: United States and China broke out, and that could seriously

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Speaker 5: cripple our ability to move naval forces and other assets

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Speaker 5: from one side of the North the North America, the Americas,

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Speaker 5: you know, the Atlantic side, to the Pacific side, and

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Speaker 5: vice versa, which would complicate our ability to deploy forces,

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Speaker 5: say to help protect Taiwan from a possible Chinese invasion.

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Speaker 2: So how do we handle that. We're not going to

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Speaker 2: go down and bomb Chinese ports, how do we go

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Speaker 2: to how do we handle that?

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Speaker 5: So this was this, you know, this was what Trump

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Speaker 5: was talking about. He tried to leverage the trade war

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Speaker 5: with China UH to get them to basically sell off

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Speaker 5: the two the two props, the big properties they have

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Speaker 5: to blackrock.

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Speaker 4: I'm setting aside my distaste for black rock.

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Speaker 5: It didn't go anywhere because ultimately China has figured out

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Speaker 5: that they have ninety percent of the world's rare earth

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Speaker 5: minerals supply under their control and all they have to

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Speaker 5: do is whisper to Trump that we're gonna cut you

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Speaker 5: off like they did in April, and Trump will give

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Speaker 5: them whatever they want, which is one of the reasons

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Speaker 5: why he's dropped his calls to reclaim the Panama Canal Zone.

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Speaker 4: Now, I don't think he's abandoned this mission.

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Speaker 5: I think he's actually finding ways to basically completely surround

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Speaker 5: the Panama Canal Zone and then choke it off from

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Speaker 5: Chinese control. One of those ways would possibly be by

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Speaker 5: taking Venezuela. He possibly has Colombians now on his side,

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Speaker 5: and we could basically create a sort of encirclement of

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Speaker 5: those two Chinese ports in Panama and maybe squeeze them

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Speaker 5: and if necessary, bake them.

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Speaker 4: But I mean, we'll see. This is very dicey, and as.

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Speaker 5: Long as China has those rare earth minerals on their belt,

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Speaker 5: we're not going to do much to them.

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Speaker 2: Okay, finally, last question before I let you go, What

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Speaker 2: exactly do we have around Venezuela right now? As far

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Speaker 2: as our military goes, what do we have? What are

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Speaker 2: we sending?

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Speaker 5: Okay, so, the Ewajima Amphibious Assault Group, which is Marines,

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Speaker 5: I believe they're underway. They'll be there shortly. I think

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Speaker 5: elements of that assault group are already there. That's about

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Speaker 5: forty five hundred marines and sailors. You've got three or

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Speaker 5: hourly class Burke destroyer early Burke rather class destroyers. They've

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Speaker 5: got ninety six vertical launch system cells that can pop

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Speaker 5: off Tomahawk cruise missiles each Then I suspect I might

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Speaker 5: get you know this, this is a theory. I suspect

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Speaker 5: that we probably have a Virginia class nuclear powered attack

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Speaker 5: submarine operating off the coast that brings additional Tomahawk land

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Speaker 5: attack cruise missile capability and probably the ability to launch

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Speaker 5: special Forces element from that submarine. So we've got a

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Speaker 5: small flotilla there. And that's to say nothing of what

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Speaker 5: the Trump administration is talking about doing with the Mexican

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Speaker 5: drug cartels.

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Speaker 4: So we are we.

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Speaker 5: Are rapidly ramping up our force presence in our hemisphere

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Speaker 5: for the first time in decades.

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Speaker 2: How about that? He is Brandon Wikert. I told you

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Speaker 2: to go buy his books. You'll get a whole lot smarter, Brandon.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, my brother, as always very much appreciated. Chris.

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Speaker 2: Do you know how badly I want to scuba dive

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Speaker 2: from a submarine. What, Chris? Why are you?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 2: What are worried about the sonar?

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Speaker 4: Why?

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Speaker 2: I don't know him? Who now? Now? Chris? Why would

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Speaker 2: I be worried about the sonar? It's deafening. I'll wear earplugs, Chris,

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Speaker 2: It's not a big deal. I want to. I want

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Speaker 2: to scuba dive from a submarine so badly. And I

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Speaker 2: don't know why. I don't even want to be a

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Speaker 2: submarine because I get kind of claustrophobic if my shoulders

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Speaker 2: are touching the walls. And those submarines are made for

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Speaker 2: little bitty midgets, you know, They're just not made for

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Speaker 2: somebody like me. But I would do it. If I

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Speaker 2: could scuba dive from it, it would be sweet. I've

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Speaker 2: seen enough Navy Seal movies. I think I could do it. What, Chris.

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Speaker 2: They even have the little things where I don't know

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Speaker 2: what they call them, but the little things that have

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Speaker 2: the propeller where it basically swims for you. I don't

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Speaker 2: have to keep up with the seals. I'll just get

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Speaker 2: an extra one of those. I can do it anyway.

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Speaker 2: Have you switched your cell phone service? You know how

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Speaker 2: easy it is? To switch to pure talk. I just

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Speaker 2: want to stress how easy it is to switch to

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Speaker 2: pure talk when you try to. When you think about

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Speaker 2: switching your cell phone over, it sounds like a pain,

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Speaker 2: doesn't it, Because whenever you do, you have to go

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Speaker 2: into the store, and then you're dealing with some brain

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Speaker 2: dead employee and it takes ten hours and it's a nightmare.

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Speaker 2: Pure talk. You just pick up the phone. You dial

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Speaker 2: pound two five zero, you say, Jesse Kelly. You will

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Speaker 2: immediately be speaking to a pleasant person who speaks English,

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Speaker 2: and they handle it all on the phone, and then

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Speaker 2: they just mail you whatever you need. It's ten minutes

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Speaker 2: and you are switched. You keep your phone number. If

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Speaker 2: you want a new phone, get it. I just got

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Speaker 2: a new phone from them. You want to keep your phone,

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Speaker 2: keep your phone. Pure talk babies you into it. Dial

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Speaker 2: pound two five zero and switch to the cell phone

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Speaker 2: company that actually loves America, and you'll pay way less.

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Speaker 2: I pay half of what I used to pay pound

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Speaker 2: two five zero, say Jesse Kelly. We got another hour.

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Speaker 2: Hang on