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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome on in Everybody, twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: Tuesday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: We have missed you, all of you across this great

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Speaker 1: land now for many days. Clay are both back with

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Speaker 1: you now from our respective vacations and we have a

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Speaker 1: ton to get to. We are looking forward to breaking

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Speaker 1: it all down for you today here on The Clay

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Speaker 1: Travis and Buck Sexton Show. We will dive into this

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Speaker 1: situation in Congress right now underway as we speak, getting

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Speaker 1: new sound bites and new updates. Will Kevin McCarthy be

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Speaker 1: the next Speaker of the House or will something else happen?

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Speaker 1: This is what is at the top of the political

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Speaker 1: agenda right now. We also a Clay is going to

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Speaker 1: break down what happened last night, a really gut ran

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Speaker 1: shank scene from Monday night football involving a player who

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Speaker 1: A lot of the discussions, obviously a lot of prayers

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Speaker 1: up for that individual and his family. We have the

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Speaker 1: promise later on at some point Clay not yet disclosed

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Speaker 1: of the Faucci Twitter files, which I know you and

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Speaker 1: I are excited about because there's a lot going on.

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Speaker 1: Despite Fauci stepping down from the eons, he spent as

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Speaker 1: the highest paid I like to remind everybody of this,

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Speaker 1: the highest paid federal government employee. There are millions of

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Speaker 1: employees of the federal government. Faucci was the most highly paid.

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Speaker 1: It's not because he was such an awesome guy who

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Speaker 1: was right so much of the time. We can be

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Speaker 1: certain about that one. But there are masks returning in

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Speaker 1: a lot of places. There's new information coming out about

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Speaker 1: the latest boosters, vaccines, etc. We will break that all

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Speaker 1: down for you, Clay. Let's let's jump into this one,

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Speaker 1: because this had been building for a while. We knew

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Speaker 1: this was going to happen. We had Kevin McCarthy on

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Speaker 1: the show before the Christmas, a New Year's holiday, or

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Speaker 1: the holiday season, and he was making the case pretty

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Speaker 1: clearly on this show. If not me, then whom which

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Speaker 1: I think that there are a few different layers, a

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Speaker 1: few different points to keep in minds here, right, there's

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Speaker 1: the what is the goal of this? There is in

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Speaker 1: shoving a little bit of elbowing with a new Congress

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Speaker 1: after a disappointing midterm election cycle, and I'm sure you

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Speaker 1: saw there were there were breakdowns of exactly additional breakdowns

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Speaker 1: were and why everybody was expecting a different result looking

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Speaker 1: at the polls. But the conversation we can get into later.

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Speaker 1: And then there's the outside chance that this thing, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the one hundred and eighteenth Congress, with a number of

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Speaker 1: GOP holdouts, could for the first time since nineteen twenty three,

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Speaker 1: go into multiple ballots. Many times over this would only

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Speaker 1: have occurred I think a total of fourteen times in

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Speaker 1: our nation's history. Thirteen of those times happened before the

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Speaker 1: Civil War, so it's been a while. Play Are you

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Speaker 1: concerned at all that this could backfire? People are saying,

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Speaker 1: Or is this good? You gotta throw some elbows, you

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Speaker 1: their toes. This. I don't know the answer to whether

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Speaker 1: in general there's a belief that things that are messy

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Speaker 1: so what would be the absolute worst case scenario is

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Speaker 1: but I am concerned that the longer this continues, the

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Speaker 1: if that were to occur, that it just makes the

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Speaker 1: a positive agenda would look like. Right, well, Clay, well,

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Speaker 1: For example, the COVID vaccine issue, which we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: because I don't even know what booster we're supposed to

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Speaker 1: So she's not alone there, Clay. You know, Matt Gates

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Speaker 1: don't know, right, and we're just trying to think these

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Speaker 1: things through based on the data and based on being

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Speaker 1: two guys who spend a lot of time reading and

433
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Speaker 1: thinking about these issues. Maybe there will start to be

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Speaker 1: some experts who don't have you know, and I mean

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Speaker 1: true medical experts, who don't have five ukraine flags and

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Speaker 1: preferred pronouns and six little vaccine needles in their Twitter bio,

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Speaker 1: who will come forward and answer questions like if this

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Speaker 1: is true, and it certainly seems you know, you just

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Speaker 1: can you can do this intuitively, You can understand what

440
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Speaker 1: you just said about your pan what is their explanation,

441
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Speaker 1: explain to us in a way that everybody, because it's

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Speaker 1: public health policy, is actually about the public understanding. This

443
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Speaker 1: is one thing that was completely abandoned during COVID. If

444
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Speaker 1: you really want to deal with a pandemic, you not

445
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Speaker 1: only have to have good information, you have to have

446
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Speaker 1: good information that the public understands and will act on.

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Speaker 1: Instead of trying to repeatedly be wrong and force they

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Speaker 1: were wrong, they forced more they were wrong. They pushed

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Speaker 1: even harder. Because if what we're seeing is true that

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Speaker 1: the shots, the COVID shots in booster form rapidly administered

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Speaker 1: in a way that even outpaces what we see with

452
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Speaker 1: flu season right or with the flu shot. Now they're

453
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Speaker 1: trying to do these sort of shots that are multiple

454
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Speaker 1: things and whatever, if they're wrong footing immune system so

455
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Speaker 1: that you're more likely to get infected and also even

456
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Speaker 1: having a slightly less capable immune response. It might take

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Speaker 1: five years, it might take fifteen years. But if this

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Speaker 1: cycle continues on and we do get the dangerous variant

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Speaker 1: that they promised us could happen if we didn't get

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Speaker 1: enough shots, yep, that they always said was a possibility. Oh,

461
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Speaker 1: the super dangerous variant could come if you don't get

462
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Speaker 1: all the shots, Well are we setting ourselves up for?

463
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Speaker 1: And like I said, five or ten years from now

464
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Speaker 1: the variant comes along, that is more dangerous. Maybe it's

465
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Speaker 1: natural and that it's more dangerous, but we are less

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Speaker 1: capable of dealing with it, or rather those who got

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Speaker 1: booster number ten booster number fifteen. I would want someone

468
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Speaker 1: to explain this slowly and clearly, who has the background,

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Speaker 1: so that we can all understand, because what they've told

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Speaker 1: us about you know what we have we have a

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Speaker 1: let's come back just to we have a great montage

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Speaker 1: of what they have been saying about this for anybody's Look, well,

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Speaker 1: you guys don't know. The people who said they knew

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Speaker 1: they didn't know. Crap. That's important. What's also important here

475
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Speaker 1: is you know what people are actually doing buck they're

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Speaker 1: voting with their own decisions on the boosters because hardly

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478
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Speaker 1: but I think the uptake on this bi valant is

479
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Speaker 1: only like twenty percent of the American populations actually getting it.

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Speaker 1: So we might get the benefit of everybody finally saying hey,

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Speaker 1: this is not working, let's just go ahead in a band.

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Speaker 1: They will bury you and I know this though, They

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Speaker 1: we have a control group eighty percent of the American

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Speaker 1: truth every day. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton, welcome back

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Speaker 1: to play en Buck. We wanted to update you with

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Speaker 1: the latest on this case of the four college students

513
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Speaker 1: who were rerually murdered with a knife in Moscow, Idaho.

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Speaker 1: We know that there is an individual in custody. We

515
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Speaker 1: want to know how are they able to find them

516
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Speaker 1: to the best of our ability to figure this out

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Speaker 1: and what is the at this stage, the gravity of

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Speaker 1: the evidence against him, the totality of it against him.

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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan is with us now. He's a distinguished

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Speaker 1: scholar of applied for forensics and Joseph, appreciate you you

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Speaker 1: joining us once again. I know you've got a chance

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Speaker 1: to speak to Clay. Tell everybody where this stands right now?

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Speaker 1: I mean, what, how are they able to track this

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Speaker 1: individual down based on the news reports, based on what

525
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Speaker 1: we've seen. Hetty Fellas, how are y'all happy New Year?

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me back. Yeah, the reality is is

527
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: that they have some type of physical evidence at this

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Speaker 1: point in time that's going to be a biological tieback

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Speaker 1: on this subject. My understanding, at this point, there's been

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Speaker 1: a lot of back and forth relative to DNA evidents.

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Speaker 1: We don't know exactly how they how they acquired it.

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Speaker 1: We've heard that the scene was just saturated in blood,

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Speaker 1: so I think that that's kind of a starting point

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Speaker 1: for us. We don't know at this point, obviously, if

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Speaker 1: he was injured in this assault. Remember this is a

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Speaker 1: sharp edged weapon that this fellow was using, and many

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Speaker 1: times in my experience, at least you have these events

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Speaker 1: where subjects will cut themselves and you'll have this kind

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Speaker 1: of what's referred to as comeniling of blood. And if

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Speaker 1: that's the case, they would have had to have separated

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Speaker 1: out all of the DNA profiles. You know, obviously you've

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Speaker 1: got known profiles. You've got these poor victims, the four

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Speaker 1: young people that were killed, you know them, there were

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Speaker 1: the two down in the basement. I'm sure that they

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Speaker 1: probably did cheek swabs and buckle mucosa swabs on them.

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Speaker 1: They'd be eliminated any of their intimate partners, and then

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Speaker 1: you'll wind up with unknowns from within the house, and

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Speaker 1: it's at that point in time it gets a bit

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Speaker 1: more complicated. They have to try to suss that out

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Speaker 1: and try to understand who this unknown is and talk

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Speaker 1: around the campfire. At least at this point in time,

552
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: that we're kind of hearing is that they may have

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00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: used genetic genealogy here, which you know, they're looking for

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00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: common ancestors, essentially somebody that has submitted a DNA sample

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Speaker 1: to one of these companies to try to figure out

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Speaker 1: their past. To just kind of jump in, just to

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Speaker 1: make sure that I'm clear. So you're saying, then, Joseph,

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Speaker 1: it is possible. I know you're not saying this, but

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Speaker 1: you've heard that the break in this case may be

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Speaker 1: related to somebody doing ancestry dot com twenty three and me, etc.

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Speaker 1: And then able to track from that. Is that is

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Speaker 1: that the theory? Yeah? Yeah, I think that's that's the

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Speaker 1: drift right now. You know, there are those cases that

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Speaker 1: are out there because this guy is not the subject

565
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: they accused, that not in a database, he's not in COVID,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's not a prior to sex offender or

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Speaker 1: anything like that, so he didn't have a profile, you know,

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Speaker 1: on board, So you start with an unknown at this

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Speaker 1: point in time. You know, I thought, I think many

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Speaker 1: of us were thinking in my field at least, you know,

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Speaker 1: will kind of kick it around some of my colleagues

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Speaker 1: and you know, kind of thinking about this. Sometimes you'll

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Speaker 1: have these cases where you know, they'll put a team

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Speaker 1: on you and they're watching you. They suspect that you

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Speaker 1: might be this person. They have unknown DNA at the scene,

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Speaker 1: and then you leave a cup laying around or straw

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00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: or napped him, you know, and once you know, guys,

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Speaker 1: once you throw that away, you throw it in the trash,

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Speaker 1: it's no longer yours. They collect it and they run it.

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Speaker 1: But you know, it just seems like they were sitting

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Speaker 1: on top of this and they'd probably known for a while,

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Speaker 1: I would imagine, but they had a lot of this

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Speaker 1: biological materials, very great deals, so it took them a

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Speaker 1: bit of time to kind of work out the profiles

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00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: in this. But it would seem this, along with some

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Speaker 1: other some other forensic evidence, it's going to come to light.

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00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: I think we're going to hear about it in the

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Speaker 1: next couple of days. I think that's that's what they've

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Speaker 1: used to identify the scope. So first of all, thanks

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Speaker 1: for coming on again. We got great feedback, Joseph Scott Morgan.

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Speaker 1: When you see it appears that this guy, this suspect

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Speaker 1: was basically getting a PhD in forenics and therefore may

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Speaker 1: have been almost training to be a serial killer or

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Speaker 1: have been driven into a life of the potential crime

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Speaker 1: based on this attraction to a dark side in some way,

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Speaker 1: would that help to explain maybe the difficulties that have

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Speaker 1: initially ensued that this guy was basically aware of some

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Speaker 1: of the criminal procedures that we be undertaken. In other words,

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Speaker 1: for people like in your world of forensics, you probably

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Speaker 1: would be way better at committing a crime because you

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Speaker 1: know how people have gotten caught. Does it surprise you

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Speaker 1: that the guy would maybe be coming out of this

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Speaker 1: study and this field. As for people who don't know,

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Speaker 1: he's purportedly as suspect a Washington State grad student basically

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Speaker 1: getting a doctorate in criminology and forensics. Yeah, well yeah,

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Speaker 1: let me draw a fonline here because it's in criminology,

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Speaker 1: and you know, there's there's there's this idea that's kind

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Speaker 1: of floating around out there that the criminology people in

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Speaker 1: the forensics people are the same and we're not at all.

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Speaker 1: And you know, he's more of a behavior of that's

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Speaker 1: kind of what he was studying, okay when he was

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Speaker 1: at the sales. You know, yeah, he knows something about behavior.

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Speaker 1: But keep in mind, you know, in all of these

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Speaker 1: academic institutions like this, they're a theoretical environment. Okay. In forensics,

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00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: we're in a applied environment. You know, even the university

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Speaker 1: out of work, we teach applied forensics, and that is

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00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: you know, you go from A to Z and a process,

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Speaker 1: a process and a scene. He does not have that

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Speaker 1: kind of background. Now he's he has a morbid curiosity,

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Speaker 1: I think, and criminal behavior of the criminal mind, all

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Speaker 1: these sorts of things. And I'm sure he's watched plenty

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Speaker 1: of television. He's probably fascinated by all of this and

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Speaker 1: how how bad guys minds kind of work. But he

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Speaker 1: does not know the nuts and bolts of forensic science.

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00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: And you know, if he went in prepared to do something,

626
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: if the subject went in, the accused went in to

627
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: do something, he's always going to miss something, trust me,

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00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: because again, there's so much physical evidence here and we

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Speaker 1: have ways and my field, my colleagues, is kind of

630
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: rooting out at a molecular level these things that are

631
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Speaker 1: specific tie backs to any individual that was in that environment.

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Speaker 1: Basically you told us, you said, sorry to cut you off,

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Speaker 1: but you were like, any time you do anything, you

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00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: leave a trace behind. That's kind of the bible of forensics, right,

635
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 1: so that even if you were a genius criminal, it's

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Speaker 1: impossible to have a quote unquote perfect crime scene, right

637
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: because there's always something that's being left behind. Is that accurate? Yes, yes,

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00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: it is there. You know there there is no perfect crime.

639
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: There's absolutely not, because there's always a human factor in it.

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Speaker 1: And it might be our own you know, self love,

641
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: our desire, our lack of focus that's going to trip

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Speaker 1: us up. Look, science will always Science will always catch

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Speaker 1: As the drama continues surrounding who is going to be

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Speaker 1: the speaker, there are a we should mention this story

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Speaker 1: I presume that you were not, which I think is

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Speaker 1: a good bet. Generally speaking. The Bengals are playing against

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Speaker 1: Damar Hamlin of the Buffalo Bills, collapsed after making a tackle.

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Speaker 1: Damar Hamlin spent last night in the intensive care unit,

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Speaker 1: remains there today in critical condition at the University of

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Speaker 1: They were about five minutes in. Some of you may

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Speaker 1: have seen I was on Fox News last night Live

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Speaker 1: for some time. I talked about it again this morning.

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Speaker 1: We've never seen anybody collapse like this on the football field. Buck,

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Speaker 1: it's turned into a major controversy. Let me say one positive,

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Speaker 1: which I think is really what I love about sports.

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Speaker 1: Buck Deamar Jamar Hamlin had a charity where he was

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Speaker 1: raising money for kids so they could get toys for

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Speaker 1: was to raise twenty five hundred dollars. Just think about

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Speaker 1: how great of a story this is the reaction so

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Speaker 1: many people out there when a story like this happens.

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Speaker 1: It's you know, when someone in your community is ill

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Speaker 1: doesn't change the tragedy, but it's just showing that you care.

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Speaker 1: It's extending a hand of kindness. This is incredible. Twenty

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Speaker 1: charity from Tomar Hamlin. But they now have raised four

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Speaker 1: point two five million dollars for his charity for kids

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Speaker 1: to get Christmas presents. A hundred and fifty seven thousand

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Speaker 1: people have donated money. I am glad to be one

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Speaker 1: but buck this rapidly spiraled into a mess. We obviously

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Speaker 1: Player goes into cardiac arrest on the field, basically had

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Speaker 1: to be resuscitated, is in critical condition right now. What

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Speaker 1: exactly caused this we don't know. There is a condition

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Speaker 1: that has happened before where if you happen to get

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Speaker 1: is very rare. Sometimes it happens with kids, they get

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Speaker 1: hit by a baseball, exceedingly rare. There will be certainly

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Speaker 1: an investigation into what happened here, but it rapidly turned

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Speaker 1: What you were mentioning there is emotional chords, that's right.

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Speaker 1: That's what everyone on the medical side has been comfortable

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Speaker 1: raising at least as a possibility here. I understand. I

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Speaker 1: is hoping for a quick recovery for Damar Hamlin. While

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Speaker 1: we still don't know where this goes. He's in his

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Speaker 1: but he's still in critical condition. So anytime somebody has

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Speaker 1: still a lot of tests they have to run, a

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Speaker 1: out if there's any additional damage and where things stand

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Speaker 1: overall from a health standpoint, I think it is it

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Speaker 1: is whether it's masks or vaccines or anything else, this

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Speaker 1: Democrat Party in America. And when a majority, certainly of

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Speaker 1: And I think this is along. This is going to

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Speaker 1: going to be something that continues to play out at

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Speaker 1: a number of ways. And so that this incident for

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Speaker 1: Let's just focus on Jamar Hamlin getting healthy, getting getting

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Speaker 1: we know that's not there's a mass shooting, it becomes

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Speaker 1: right away. I think social media can be both good

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Speaker 1: That's awful, but it's part of the game. We haven't

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Speaker 1: it's like, oh, the NFL didn't cancel the game quick

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Speaker 1: enough or skip Bayliss, who works at Fox Sports senate

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Speaker 1: and so everybody needs to be angry at someone. Well,

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Speaker 1: there's there's always the internet mob. Oh yeah, first and

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Speaker 1: Damar Hamlin and his family to do something good in

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of it out there, a lot of

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Speaker 1: that's a jump that a lot of people immediately make,

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Speaker 1: We also see this, as I said, with mass shootings.

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Speaker 1: I don't want anybody's family members to ever. I don't

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Speaker 1: things I would like to do that I can. But

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Speaker 1: this also turned into how dare you share the video

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Speaker 1: of the which we need to talk about. We can

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Speaker 1: still yes, I still haven't. So, yeah, I wasn't watching

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Speaker 1: Monday night football, which is, as you said, a fair bet.

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Speaker 1: I don't watch Monday night football. Yeah, and uh, I

860
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Speaker 1: still haven't seen the video of this. And I do

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Speaker 1: think that we have to understand in an era of

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Speaker 1: censorship based upon ideology, the idea that we could start

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Speaker 1: to remove things that are clearly news, yes, and that

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Speaker 1: are that are the actuality, the the evidentiary basis for

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Speaker 1: you know, there's there's an onlook. I get it, they'll

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Speaker 1: blur if there's a horrible video that shows a shooting,

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Speaker 1: they'll do some blurring, and but they don't pull it

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Speaker 1: off the internet. And there seems to be. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's a difference between limiting I think, the graphic nature

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Speaker 1: of something and just saying no one is allowed to

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Speaker 1: see what happened here on full public display with tens

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Speaker 1: of millions of people watching in the first place, Which

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Speaker 1: is why when we come back, we'll talk about this,

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Speaker 1: because we had to make an editorial decision on this

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Speaker 1: the collapse. Here's the hit, Here's what happened, because yes,

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Speaker 1: while there may have been tens of millions of people

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Speaker 1: watching this game, there were hundreds of millions who were

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Speaker 1: not and would care about what might happen. We'll come

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Speaker 1: back into this in a moment. And also I want

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Speaker 1: the top of the show that there has been an

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Speaker 1: arrest made a few days ago of the quadruple murder

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Speaker 1: in Moscow, Idaho, that I know Clay spent a lot

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Speaker 1: of time with you on that story before the Christmas break,

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Speaker 1: and we had talked about it previously on this show.

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Speaker 1: We had Nancy Grace on to talk about it. We

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Speaker 1: will have that forensics expert back on in the third

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Speaker 1: So we'll come back in the third hour and we

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