Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition to all the smoke by
Speaker 1: you drop. What's up bro? Day two in l A.
Speaker 1: It's been a good got off to a good star yesterday. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna high right now. I'm high, but I'm on
Speaker 1: a high as you shar Bo heart baby bar. We
Speaker 1: gotta so when you'all been waiting on man, been asking for,
Speaker 1: when you're gonna get him, When you're gonna get him,
Speaker 1: When you're gonna get him. We found this motherfucker man
Speaker 1: some time. Good to see you. Boy. Time was crazy.
Speaker 1: Tell me one thing you took from that you either
Speaker 1: catch up or get left. She wasn't gonna be the same,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You wasn't gonna be the
Speaker 1: It wasn't gonna be the same as you were, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So you either had to catch
Speaker 1: someone who was in front of your separate yourself were
Speaker 1: you're just gonna get left? What you do a little
Speaker 1: bit of both. Wey caught me way called me. But
Speaker 1: you know it gave me enough time to think think
Speaker 1: about the future, to think about the past, and then
Speaker 1: you know, just trying to you know, build and you know,
Speaker 1: just be a smarter man than I was before seasons
Speaker 1: crazy obviously went to the bubble because you have handled
Speaker 1: the bubble. What what what kind of shenanigans would you
Speaker 1: have got into in the bubble? That would have went
Speaker 1: right up my alley though, because you know it's straight
Speaker 1: hoop on game day. I'm you know, it's I'm a mute,
Speaker 1: I'm a hermit. You know what I mean. I didn't
Speaker 1: talk on the phones. I used as loot as least
Speaker 1: words I can possibly use on game is you know,
Speaker 1: just all thinking about the game. Um so that would
Speaker 1: have been an amazing environment for me personally, but the
Speaker 1: team we had it would have been a struggle because
Speaker 1: you know, as you know, as a vet, you still
Speaker 1: got to think about the rest of the players. Team
Speaker 1: are you taking in the bubble with your team? Are
Speaker 1: you're talking about? Like if I was gonna take a
Speaker 1: team in the bubble, it would have been like it
Speaker 1: would have been with Larry Hughes in it, because I know,
Speaker 1: all right, that's yeah, that's a cool group. Sean Stevenson group.
Speaker 1: Oh no, Sean, I got I got a young Dravel,
Speaker 1: I got Andre Blotch. You know you got Nick Young Still,
Speaker 1: you know, like, no, they wouldn't hand that bubble right,
Speaker 1: it would have been a whole bunch of loose and
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have sitting no chicken wings. We can't here
Speaker 1: for the ass? What what? What? What teams and players
Speaker 1: are you following these days? You know, obviously you know
Speaker 1: you're gonna watch what Brooklyn is doing over there. You're
Speaker 1: gonna watch the Lakers, um Clippers, you know, Philly, you
Speaker 1: know it's you know, you know, as I've been down,
Speaker 1: do you feel like they're missing Jimmy Butler? You know,
Speaker 1: I thought I thought that who he was as a
Speaker 1: player and a person, you know, a third option, smart
Speaker 1: enough to understand that I have go to guys, let
Speaker 1: me do. Let me give them the ball, and I'll
Speaker 1: do what I do if I need carry out carry
Speaker 1: But then I'm gonna feed off of you guys. But
Speaker 1: he's a bucket getter at the end. So I thought
Speaker 1: he would put and beat and check when it counted,
Speaker 1: and he would. He really looked up to him too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And because he's gonna he's gonna challenge and beat, you know,
Speaker 1: with and be being an alphab by himself. He's still young.
Speaker 1: There's no one to keep him in check. You know,
Speaker 1: you have an imbalanced team. Talk to me, but I mean,
Speaker 1: I love your basketball annalysis. I don't think you get
Speaker 1: enough credit for us. So all we got you here,
Speaker 1: talk to me about Brooklyn. What you see over there,
Speaker 1: and they're ceiling their ceiling if they have one. They
Speaker 1: have too much offense, and it's it's scary because with
Speaker 1: the type of players they have, you can't double, you
Speaker 1: can't set no type of game plan for and if
Speaker 1: you have to go against them in seven games, I
Speaker 1: mean one is going to give you problems too. On fire,
Speaker 1: you lost three on fire. It's a nightmare. So unless
Speaker 1: the Lakers start acquiring more talent to keep up with
Speaker 1: the scoring, no one's gonna be able to shut them
Speaker 1: down long enough to win any games. See them winning
Speaker 1: it all this year if they stay healthy. They won
Speaker 1: a championship last year, and I gave the coaching staff
Speaker 1: a C minus at best. I just thought some of
Speaker 1: the lineups they had didn't do the team well. You know,
Speaker 1: you go small ball and you have a D and
Speaker 1: Lebron during their pick and roll, you got three guys
Speaker 1: who can't create their corner guys. If they're corner guys,
Speaker 1: are never gonna drive they're never gonna penetrate. What do
Speaker 1: I need to guarden for? You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna put all my eyes on YouTube. Now,
Speaker 1: YouTube gotta work harder. They're here for defense, but they're
Speaker 1: guarding someone who's trying to score thirty. So this guy,
Speaker 1: even with great defense, he's gonna score twenty. You're giving
Speaker 1: me five. That's fifteen points somebody else have to make up.
Speaker 1: So I just thought the lineups made it harder for
Speaker 1: the Lakers, you know. I was like, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: you know, I played two K so I wanted to
Speaker 1: seeing CU's mad the one, Brian at the two, you know,
Speaker 1: a D at the three, Javail at the pholt, the
Speaker 1: hit at the five, and say yo, meet me at
Speaker 1: the rim. You know what I mean? You know, And
Speaker 1: that was my line up. I said, you know, if
Speaker 1: they were to put that, you know against Miami, series
Speaker 1: have been over in two. Yeah, they were just quit
Speaker 1: the other two games, Like now we need to go
Speaker 1: to show up for these two Clippers. What about them?
Speaker 1: What do you think about them? I mean, besides them
Speaker 1: being the coppers Uma work. Yeah, it's hard because you
Speaker 1: don't you don't really have a real alpha male. You know,
Speaker 1: you got Kauai's quiet you know, you know he's a
Speaker 1: quiet guy. You know where you're gonna get from him.
Speaker 1: Paul is still I think he's he's fighting for his
Speaker 1: starting back. You know, injuries. You know, even last year,
Speaker 1: you know, two shoulder injuries. So mentally he's still challenging himself.
Speaker 1: With the rest of the team, you need someone who
Speaker 1: can inkor them all but still be good enough to contribute.
Speaker 1: And I don't think they had it last year, and
Speaker 1: I don't think they have it this year. They don't.
Speaker 1: They just don't have enough to keep them on top.
Speaker 1: Rondo doesn't do How do you think Rondo, I mean Rondo,
Speaker 1: Rondo changes, Rondo changes things. They did need a point guard.
Speaker 1: But you you lose scoring off the bench with lou So,
Speaker 1: I mean, if they would have kept loud and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I like the team a lot better.
Speaker 1: But the fact that you lose two points coming off
Speaker 1: the bench, you know, it kind of it kind of
Speaker 1: hurts the squad. So you lose basically basically both of
Speaker 1: your six man's from last year, you lose one of
Speaker 1: the clippers, you know, and and and lose out. So you,
Speaker 1: where's where's the points gonna come from when you really
Speaker 1: need it? Last Team Milwaukee, what do you need to
Speaker 1: see from Janice? You feel for them to reach their potential? Skill?
Speaker 1: It's still raw talent. Explained that because some people don't
Speaker 1: understand because's winning m VP awards, he's putting up crazy numbers.
Speaker 1: But I know exactly what you're talking about. But explain
Speaker 1: that for the people who who don't raw talent is
Speaker 1: the Westbrooks. You know where you're just God's gift, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, your God's give. You're that you're
Speaker 1: that super athletic guy that you got I with athleticism,
Speaker 1: being stronger, faster, and when I say skills like the
Speaker 1: fourth quarters where skill comes into places like being in
Speaker 1: l a at five o'clock once that freeway hits that.
Speaker 1: Butgotti doesn't mean ship, you know what I mean, having Agatti,
Speaker 1: you better off having a hand at that point, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, so you can maneuver through traffic
Speaker 1: at least so when the game gets the last two minutes,
Speaker 1: and in the playoffs, when it's a half court game,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have skill. He's still trying to play this
Speaker 1: regular season open court style, and he needs to learn
Speaker 1: how to back to the basket, understand the concept of
Speaker 1: a double, understand when to you know, when to give
Speaker 1: it up and let those guys hit shots so you
Speaker 1: can take over later. And he still hasn't, you know,
Speaker 1: gotten that part of his game down yet. Have you
Speaker 1: ever shot a from free line? I'm gonna al right,
Speaker 1: come on, then we don't know, okay. So that's one
Speaker 1: thing I said you, you'll never be the best player
Speaker 1: in the league to me if you shoot the ad
Speaker 1: from the free throw nine. I've never done that in
Speaker 1: my life, no point, How does that happen? But you know,
Speaker 1: come on, you've been around a bad free throw shooter, right,
Speaker 1: And they practice more than anybody else. They practice more
Speaker 1: than anybody else. Them lights bro lights turn. They get
Speaker 1: the shaking of them knees, they get the shaking of
Speaker 1: them knees. And you know, you already know what they
Speaker 1: just don't. Just just that's just that's that's what they do.
Speaker 1: That's like when you're golf and don't hit in the water.
Speaker 1: Hit in the water where you going in the water. Never,
Speaker 1: I would never shoot the app out of the free
Speaker 1: thro line. It's a free shot. There's a free throw,
Speaker 1: you get to throw it up there for free. I know,
Speaker 1: but that's but you know, that's that's what those guys
Speaker 1: that they practice on those all day and when them
Speaker 1: lights kick on different element, I don't get it. So,
Speaker 1: h what do you think about the incredible guard play
Speaker 1: we see like Kyrie and all the guards it's in
Speaker 1: the league right now. I'm I'm you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm a scoring guard, you know what I'm so, I'm
Speaker 1: loving it. I love the concept of five weapons, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I always said that, you know,
Speaker 1: if your point guard is a pure point guard and
Speaker 1: he's making a team better, that means the team is
Speaker 1: not that good because when you have gold getters, they
Speaker 1: don't need you. They don't need the point guard sitting
Speaker 1: here trying to make blazing. I just give me a
Speaker 1: damn ball. Let me do my thing, you know. So
Speaker 1: the fact that you know these guards are just you know,
Speaker 1: showing all this ability, you know, I get a smile,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You know, because I'm in
Speaker 1: the area where they were calling somebody like Steph ball yeah,
Speaker 1: and he got eight assists. I'm like, if you got
Speaker 1: the ball, Hall, don't even look this way five I
Speaker 1: would get your five ths gonna be a good fire.
Speaker 1: Other than that, I'm looking at that ril. I trained
Speaker 1: too much. I trained too much of me passing the
Speaker 1: ball just like here you go. Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: know you took twenty shots, you know in Warren most
Speaker 1: but I'm going, head man, don't give you the ball?
Speaker 1: Like no, man, that's selfish, that selfish that you want
Speaker 1: the ball you don't. You don't practice or your game
Speaker 1: that much selfish? Right. The one thing that people don't
Speaker 1: know about you, and I got to know you obviously
Speaker 1: better through kind of a family situation, is you're fucking worth.
Speaker 1: Ethic is is second to none. The way you lock
Speaker 1: in just the ship. You said about game days, but
Speaker 1: you didn't want to use words like your preparation and
Speaker 1: mental preparation. I think Kobe tapped in on that at
Speaker 1: one point in one and talk to you about that.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that later. But where did your work
Speaker 1: ethic come from? And tell people some of the routines
Speaker 1: you used to because they were insane just not being
Speaker 1: good enough, you know what I mean? Like you know
Speaker 1: I was good. You know I'm valid kids, So I'm
Speaker 1: I'm vally good and then you to go to l
Speaker 1: A and then be like, oh, you ain't l A
Speaker 1: good it. So now it's like, all right, I need
Speaker 1: to try to figure out how to be l A
Speaker 1: good even living in the valley. So playing with adults,
Speaker 1: you know, playing with adults, playing with the overseas cats
Speaker 1: that come back in the summer, going to games. Watching
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's what I did a lot, watching,
Speaker 1: Like I watched you you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: watched The Oakland, the E B O s and all
Speaker 1: those things. I watched and sat there. I remember I
Speaker 1: watched the Sean Stevenson and I walked up to him
Speaker 1: and said, all you do is dune, I'm better than you,
Speaker 1: just to see his reaction, like he gave me that
Speaker 1: look never mind, you know what I mean. And then
Speaker 1: I go home and you know, just studying, just trying
Speaker 1: to study, trying to figure out ways to improve. You know.
Speaker 1: I lived across the street from my school, so I
Speaker 1: was there at six in the morning. So my high
Speaker 1: school routine was I'm at the gym, you know, working
Speaker 1: out before school. So I met, I'm there at six,
Speaker 1: go home, take a shower, and then nutrition run to
Speaker 1: the gym. Shooting my free throws and those little fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes passing and at lunch, gold go. We we're gonna
Speaker 1: either I'm gonna work on three's, work on the move,
Speaker 1: or play and then I have my basketball, you know,
Speaker 1: after school. And so that's what I was doing from
Speaker 1: sophomore to my senior year. So I use those little things,
Speaker 1: you know, because I'm catching up. You know, when somebody says, hey, yo,
Speaker 1: you ranked one thousand. You know, you started calculating one thousand.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, once that group is gone, that's
Speaker 1: what five years senior I get drafted, you know. Man.
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of doing the calculations like that. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I need to I need to cover
Speaker 1: some ground, you know. So from there, I just went
Speaker 1: in work mode. I ain't I ain't hang out with
Speaker 1: my friends no more. You know. I'm somebody said that,
Speaker 1: you know, if you want something great, you gotta you gotta,
Speaker 1: you gotta let something go. You know, you gotta sacrifice
Speaker 1: something that you that's important to you. And at that
Speaker 1: point it was my friends and it was Hooper Stu.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. It's like, well, shoot, I mean,
Speaker 1: unless you're gonna come to school and train with me.
Speaker 1: I can't work around today. How many shots? I mean,
Speaker 1: you put up crazy amount of like how many how
Speaker 1: many makes would you have to have? Like you were down,
Speaker 1: like you're someone who wrote your shot, your your your
Speaker 1: shot attempts down your make stand and like you're a
Speaker 1: sicko when it comes to this. And I want to
Speaker 1: let people know that because I already know what about you.
Speaker 1: You know, after my it was it was the summer
Speaker 1: after my rookie season. I remember, I'm I go to
Speaker 1: the gym, I'm there six o'clock in the morning, going,
Speaker 1: I'm shooting, get on the machine, shoot until it flipped
Speaker 1: back to zero, you know, a thousand shots and sit
Speaker 1: there and wait thirty minutes, an hour, eat come back.
Speaker 1: And then I remember Mullen was like, you're working too hard,
Speaker 1: not smart enough. And I'm like, all right, what does
Speaker 1: that mean? He was like, you've been working for five
Speaker 1: hours but didn't go. I said, your work ethic, what
Speaker 1: you did worked up until now. If you want to
Speaker 1: get on this next level, you have to change it up.
Speaker 1: So you know, I used to watch him work out
Speaker 1: and then started adding, then I go to the gym,
Speaker 1: you know, watch Kobe watch how they work out before
Speaker 1: games and then just start putting the pack gets together,
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what makes you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because you know, you get put in a situation. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go to the state, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: We were Damn, They're just like against the Trailblazers team was,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I'm sitting what without
Speaker 1: the talent, that's what without the time. So I'm trying
Speaker 1: to figure out how do I become a pro? How
Speaker 1: do I get to that level? So you know, from there,
Speaker 1: I'm just watching, you know, I'm I'm on the bench,
Speaker 1: you know, my first forty eight. So I'm sitting here
Speaker 1: trying to figure out, all right, this is what this
Speaker 1: type of player does. All right? Ray Allen comes and
Speaker 1: he takes this many shots from here, you know, and
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here and that's how I'm putting my package
Speaker 1: together watching everybody else. So when did you finally kind
Speaker 1: of feel like you had your package in? It? Was?
Speaker 1: That's something that was always evolving through It always evolves
Speaker 1: because new players are coming in. What I understood was
Speaker 1: the young moves the needle, not the NBA players. Right,
Speaker 1: So when you look at you know, look at Lebron. Now,
Speaker 1: if he's going left and he tries this year old,
Speaker 1: he's traveling right, He's gonna travel trying to do that
Speaker 1: because it was never part of his routine. So once
Speaker 1: he got to a certain level, he's perfecting his skill,
Speaker 1: not seeing the new stuff that's coming. Right. So what
Speaker 1: I'll do is during games, if you hit me with
Speaker 1: a move, I'm pointing to the looking at the scoreboard,
Speaker 1: a drop that time down. I want to see what
Speaker 1: that was, you know what I mean? So I go
Speaker 1: back and film take that, and then that's like, all right,
Speaker 1: I got Matt Barnes, and then I'm gonna add all
Speaker 1: my little continuings on. I got the Steve Jack move,
Speaker 1: gonna add all my little you know so, and I
Speaker 1: had this blue book that this blue book all moves
Speaker 1: from that year, just being hit with seeing someone do
Speaker 1: called it on the Weston name. And then that's what
Speaker 1: I'm working on. And I remember I was in Chicago,
Speaker 1: and we'll buy him. It's still it and let me
Speaker 1: see what you know what I mean, because that's how
Speaker 1: I remember what the move was. I got the Jamal Crawford,
Speaker 1: you know. And then you're trying to add all these
Speaker 1: things because I need to try to, you know, be
Speaker 1: ahead of the curve. What would you do in today's game?
Speaker 1: You know, you know for us older guys, you know,
Speaker 1: we always say we're gonna, we're gonna do So I
Speaker 1: look at the reality of it, um healthy you people.
Speaker 1: People don't understand like people think because you talk crazy
Speaker 1: and do some wild ship that you're just like a jokester,
Speaker 1: like this motherfucker with one of the coldest players on
Speaker 1: the planet at one time before we got hurt. It
Speaker 1: was so I know, it's not no bullshit, So I
Speaker 1: want to hear it fat you know, you gotta you're
Speaker 1: talking about a fast system. It's one on one style,
Speaker 1: thirty five easy, and then what ends up happening is
Speaker 1: you don't have a big man down there that's gonna
Speaker 1: stop me from getting there, you know. Yeah, So you're
Speaker 1: talking about it's like not as skilled with the dribble
Speaker 1: as Kyrie, but you gotta remember, the faster you are,
Speaker 1: the less moves you need. So it's like you're I'm
Speaker 1: John wall speed with name Lillard. So once I take off,
Speaker 1: who's at the rind. I don't got it. I don't
Speaker 1: gotta get hit by shock with your feet and your knees.
Speaker 1: This motherfucker boy coming to the basket will hit you
Speaker 1: with this or with this and still get the foul
Speaker 1: and like he just kicked me. Hello me, So you
Speaker 1: think thirty five easy? Huh? You know there's you know,
Speaker 1: just because of the style. You know, just because of
Speaker 1: the because of the style that's playing. There's no there's
Speaker 1: no big out there no more. Everyone's floated. Everyone's out there.
Speaker 1: So you know, now I got, you know, a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of Antoine Jamison's I see you at the room.
Speaker 1: Then where did your passion for basketball come from? Did
Speaker 1: you play any of the sports with basketball? Something you
Speaker 1: fell in love with? It? Ran with now? I was.
Speaker 1: I was football and track. Played for the East Valley
Speaker 1: Trojans on football and um position. I was quarterback, running
Speaker 1: back and receiver tackle or flag? Oh tackled. I think
Speaker 1: you should just throw it to yourself. Yeah yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: no that serious. Um. I was cold. I was cold
Speaker 1: and until I got a rude awakening and my dad
Speaker 1: told me, a do not try to quarterback sneak on
Speaker 1: this team. They got to hit her on there. I
Speaker 1: don'tbody care about that they gotta catch try one of
Speaker 1: those moves. Spent back. Woke up a basketball player, the
Speaker 1: whole rebel, whole fucking running the rebels uniform a. I
Speaker 1: woke up a basketball player, woke up. I was at that.
Speaker 1: I was at the party of knocked me out, helmet
Speaker 1: was off everything, never again, not me. Man. His name
Speaker 1: his name was de Sean I remember called a flashback.
Speaker 1: It was so this is like Tenny Levin, not like
Speaker 1: nine ten years old, and it was my sophomore year
Speaker 1: in high school, playing North Hollywood. And then you know,
Speaker 1: they call your name out right, and they called another team.
Speaker 1: There's all right that guard fine seven Sean Lee. That's
Speaker 1: the nick of the poppy look down there. So you know,
Speaker 1: you go, hey man, hey, uh did you play football?
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I played football. You played for the Eagles.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, how do you know that? FROs like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's the man who ended my career. What did you
Speaker 1: do them on the court? What do you do it
Speaker 1: him on the court. I was trying. I was trash
Speaker 1: a game. Yeah he wont he won that. Yeah he
Speaker 1: won that game. I was still I was I was
Speaker 1: still fucked up. He pushed me back a little bit,
Speaker 1: so I got him the next the next two years,
Speaker 1: Oh that that game? Ready, then me up a little bit.
Speaker 1: Who are your basketball influence is going up? It was
Speaker 1: Penny Hardaway. Um I was. I was naturally, uh a
Speaker 1: bulls hater because my dad was, you know it, Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan's everything, you know. So our whole house was black
Speaker 1: and red, black with a little red pack. It was.
Speaker 1: I was, you know, one of those uh those households,
Speaker 1: you know, Michael Jordan everything. So I didn't become a
Speaker 1: fan of basketball until I see the keen getting knocked
Speaker 1: off and it was by Penny Hardaway. And when Penny
Speaker 1: in one whole room, a whole room, was penning nothing
Speaker 1: but Penny wanted to be Penny were twenty five in
Speaker 1: high school because of Penny Hardaway had all the shoes,
Speaker 1: never touched him, never warm. And then I just fell
Speaker 1: and I just fell in love with watching it, just
Speaker 1: watching just watching who he was. And then I think
Speaker 1: that's what what what really started it? What was your
Speaker 1: high school career? Like? What was your high school career? Like?
Speaker 1: I started posted. I saw you posted highlight against against
Speaker 1: the number one defense in l A man look, and
Speaker 1: I was I was a legend, bro I was the
Speaker 1: legend in high school. What that was a term? I determinator.
Speaker 1: I was determinating in high school. But the only problem
Speaker 1: was I was in the valley. So what ended up
Speaker 1: happening is no one actually ever knew who I was.
Speaker 1: You know, back then, you know, there ain't no real internet,
Speaker 1: there ain't no face, you know, so out to me,
Speaker 1: I mean to everyone else, I was Mexican. You know,
Speaker 1: I was just a Mexican kid in the valley. So
Speaker 1: we'll go to camps. I'll go to camps and I'll
Speaker 1: make all. I was on the All Star team with you.
Speaker 1: I was at all. You didn't know who I was.
Speaker 1: If it was fifteen, I was in the fifteen, it
Speaker 1: was twenty, I was ten. I was ten. So I
Speaker 1: was always good enough to make it, but wasn't known,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Um, so I was getting
Speaker 1: discredited because of where I played, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: where I played. But when I played against competition, I
Speaker 1: gave them buckets. But because I wasn't on anybody's reay,
Speaker 1: I wasn't really in a you like that. I was
Speaker 1: at the park, like I went to UM it was
Speaker 1: a t P I when the t P, I when
Speaker 1: the Vegas had fifty at the half, you know, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I was really putting in network.
Speaker 1: And let's just just say this. I mean, uh, I
Speaker 1: beat Chris Mills. I'm gonna say I beat Chris Mills,
Speaker 1: all great Chris Mills of l A. I beat him
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. I went in two thou seventeen.
Speaker 1: He went in this year. Mhm. I probably cat your
Speaker 1: ass for that one, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta remember that was my that was
Speaker 1: my vet, you know what I mean. He was all
Speaker 1: l A. So he's considered top three best l A
Speaker 1: players in high school. And I said, well, that ship
Speaker 1: don't mean nothing because l A says, I'm a Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame guy. Before you fail, who's your top five
Speaker 1: l A players, whether they made it or not, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know the niggas like that,
Speaker 1: you know, no one like that. I'm that was valley like.
Speaker 1: I was a valley kid. I remember used to come
Speaker 1: to you see. It was crazy because I meant, what
Speaker 1: what do you grad school? I graduate N nine? So
Speaker 1: I remember used to come up to U C. L A.
Speaker 1: But they wouldn't let you play. Now, they wouldn't let me.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you did. He would just be over there shooting.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'd reround for him, like on the off game,
Speaker 1: and I just and he would just keep working. They
Speaker 1: would never let him play. It was crazy. I don't
Speaker 1: because that's what I said. It's like I'm trying to
Speaker 1: you know, I'm trying to find out where the best
Speaker 1: run is. So once I heard was like, that's what
Speaker 1: I said. I was there years before, like my sophomore year,
Speaker 1: they're just sitting there like, yeah, they're gonna put me. Nope,
Speaker 1: all right, junior year Nope, and my senior year. I
Speaker 1: remember my senior year, I got the it was the
Speaker 1: re faster and you know, best point guard in the world,
Speaker 1: remember the Slam magazine. But watching reading all the treaty
Speaker 1: she did like yeah. And then and then go to
Speaker 1: U C. L A. And he's there and I get
Speaker 1: I'm in the game. And then on the fast break
Speaker 1: did some ship Like my mind said he was gonna
Speaker 1: throw it off this and do all one of those.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he did, but I know I
Speaker 1: spent about three times and then before I realized what
Speaker 1: was happening. He was already down the court. I went
Speaker 1: to my dad, like, yo, he's the best in the world.
Speaker 1: He's the best in the world. It was, it was,
Speaker 1: it was true. He did some tricky ship like I
Speaker 1: started making up my own ship what he did to
Speaker 1: be that funny, you know. But I used to go
Speaker 1: there all the time trying to figure out what the
Speaker 1: you know, what the talent was and looking at players.
Speaker 1: I remember it was a Lonnie Gardner, you know, like
Speaker 1: you know him with that move just that that that
Speaker 1: that side throw, like when people are like, yeah, it's no,
Speaker 1: I know that side through come dunk and then um
Speaker 1: rush boy. He was called he was cold. People don't
Speaker 1: know how cold. We had a hell of a class.
Speaker 1: But then that's what I say. You so, when do
Speaker 1: you feel like you were on the map then? And
Speaker 1: it was in College of the Arizona when you put
Speaker 1: yourself on the map. Even even even even when I
Speaker 1: went to Arizona, Um, you know I got fault. You
Speaker 1: know there's you know, I'm on the team with four
Speaker 1: you know what was your team? We had Jason Gardner,
Speaker 1: Um I was at the two. We had Richard Jefferson
Speaker 1: at the three. microL right at the four a m
Speaker 1: my my, my freshman year, we had little record who
Speaker 1: came in from Iowa, and then we had Lithuania kid
Speaker 1: who who holds a record you know for like dunking
Speaker 1: twelve six or thirteen ft you know. So we had
Speaker 1: so much talent. So I was getting read. We had
Speaker 1: a juco player co runner for the year, Lamon Fraser,
Speaker 1: you know. So we had some boys coming in. So
Speaker 1: I was the young buck, you know, like they're gonna
Speaker 1: red shirt me and cool I can learn and my
Speaker 1: assholing is n't kicked in. Yeah, my assholes kicked in.
Speaker 1: So I was like, man, I'm about to go for
Speaker 1: the position, bro, because coach, you know, coach like all right,
Speaker 1: so listen the four and the five is set one
Speaker 1: to three, fight for it. Like, oh my ship, I
Speaker 1: started training fun that school ship. That's what you're supposed
Speaker 1: to go there, right, that's what you was on two right.
Speaker 1: I wish I could have got the national championship. I
Speaker 1: end up losing by not getting in. They wanted to
Speaker 1: tell you fresh, my biggy fresh medal. Ye, that's the championship.
Speaker 1: I missed it not taking the test, showing up blade hungover. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I didn't. I just I just started training, watching
Speaker 1: the habits of you know, like Ruben Douglas. And then
Speaker 1: like people said, like Ruben Douglas, we played against each
Speaker 1: other in high school. Um, I was faster, he was stronger, bigger,
Speaker 1: but I was I was more athletic, and he just
Speaker 1: didn't know my skill. Like I improved since high school.
Speaker 1: So when coach threw that ball up, I was a
Speaker 1: whole another demon. So when I stole a position, he
Speaker 1: was like, I'm transferring ye, And then Louke Record says,
Speaker 1: I'm transferring, oh Shoul. I don't have no competition. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't have no competition. Now like I don't have
Speaker 1: no I don't have to fight with anybody. So now
Speaker 1: you know, now I I have no worries and I
Speaker 1: can just play a free game. And then once that
Speaker 1: free game came in, you know, I'm leading the team
Speaker 1: scoring now. And I was like, I'm four years fast.
Speaker 1: And I thought I was gonna be who's recruiting you?
Speaker 1: Besides that, I was on uh north Ridge, I was low.
Speaker 1: I was north it was north Ridge. I was being
Speaker 1: recruited by north Ridge. And a guy from north Ridge
Speaker 1: got a job at Kansas State. So Kansas State came in,
Speaker 1: you know, and they were like, yeah, we're gonna give
Speaker 1: you a thousand thousand minutes as a freshman. I'm like,
Speaker 1: ship whatever, I just you know, just let me do
Speaker 1: what I do. And then um, the Paul Paul came
Speaker 1: in right before they had still Q and yeah, so
Speaker 1: I was gonna go be the point guard there, blaming
Speaker 1: Fierson too. And then Pat Kennedy, Pat Kennedy the coach
Speaker 1: and my dad had ties from you know, Florida, so
Speaker 1: they was you know, working on their little deal on
Speaker 1: so so I was gonna go there. So right before
Speaker 1: I was gonna go, uh, Pat Kennedy's mother died, so
Speaker 1: they had to cancel the trip. And then Ludolson came
Speaker 1: in and said, I mean he came into the house
Speaker 1: and said, listen, I've never seen you play until I
Speaker 1: got on the plane. You're you have the kind of
Speaker 1: style I like, Um, if you want to come, you know,
Speaker 1: it's whoever you know the sides first between you, um,
Speaker 1: Kevin Gaines and Jimmy Hayward. And I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go take a trip. And they had
Speaker 1: like some little scrimmage there Michael Dickerson them, and I
Speaker 1: was bawling. I was like, oh, yeah, my mom coming here,
Speaker 1: I'm coming here. Didn't you didn't get the pancakes from
Speaker 1: Miss alsa O? Don't no? She she making? Yeah, come on,
Speaker 1: don't don't tell me you experience that. Yeah, be NP
Speaker 1: and cages. What kind of bond did you build with Luke?
Speaker 1: What's the funny? Is I hope I'm a coach like him? Um,
Speaker 1: because you gotta remember, I'm I'm immature like I was.
Speaker 1: Dinnis commnenced like I'm like, there was no way I
Speaker 1: should have been. I first of all, I should have
Speaker 1: been kicked out to school or bench. And he never
Speaker 1: he never punished me on that basketball court, like he
Speaker 1: never let some outside what I was doing outside affect
Speaker 1: my playing time. You know, only way that you know,
Speaker 1: like if I was going to get bench is because
Speaker 1: something I didn't practice, Like if I didn't go to class.
Speaker 1: He's like, all, yeah, you don't want to go to class.
Speaker 1: Five miles five miles, six am under thirty minutes. All right,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? You know, so you know
Speaker 1: that's how you know that's but I looked at us
Speaker 1: like I'm just getting in shape. But he never he never,
Speaker 1: he never, like he never punished me for what I
Speaker 1: was doing. Like it just you know, and I gotta
Speaker 1: respect that because for the most part, any other coach, yes,
Speaker 1: I would have been deep sitting on the bench and
Speaker 1: he was like, you're gonna have to you know, if
Speaker 1: you don't want to go to class, You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to deal with that soon. Ain't got nothing to do
Speaker 1: with me. You got to deal with that soon. You've
Speaker 1: got an old point to you have to do with
Speaker 1: this two thousand one. You gotts go to the n
Speaker 1: C Double A Finals and lose a heartbreak of the duke.
Speaker 1: Talk to us about that game, because I've heard you
Speaker 1: and r J go back and forth on this game. Man,
Speaker 1: he let don't leave. Man kick his ass up and
Speaker 1: down the court. Man, it's done leave. I believe believe
Speaker 1: what so funny is don't Leavi like I had a cold.
Speaker 1: I had a cold. Um a you roommates group, it
Speaker 1: was me done, Levy and Luke right now, that was
Speaker 1: my that was my age, Luke that right game, that's
Speaker 1: what that was my little like like when we when
Speaker 1: we go to like the Pump campus something, that was
Speaker 1: that was my look that was my trio. So um,
Speaker 1: when you when you grew up with don't leave you
Speaker 1: your teammate, and then you're playing in the Western name
Speaker 1: and then you come on r J. It's you know,
Speaker 1: first of all, he's been playing bad this whole tournament.
Speaker 1: He shouldn't got happy to see done. On the other side,
Speaker 1: the athletes, you don't have the man hit five threes
Speaker 1: in the game night off, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: come on, man, So I blame that on him. I
Speaker 1: mean I was for listening. I was four for seventeen,
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna blame myself. I'm not gonna you know,
Speaker 1: it's me against Duke at this point because do y'all
Speaker 1: just y'all just happy to be here. But that's that's
Speaker 1: how we talked to each other. Yeah, come on, man,
Speaker 1: the ain't helped me out. It was like, yeah, bro,
Speaker 1: you're you're four for four for twelve right now, I'm
Speaker 1: going against five players. It's me against them. Who they
Speaker 1: having to do? Who's on the dude team? Bunch of
Speaker 1: sorry players, it's Duke, sorry players, A bunch of Duke.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a bunch of they had young young boozer.
Speaker 1: They had j will Um do Han, Shane Battier, a
Speaker 1: bunch of proper talking about that, A bunch of squares,
Speaker 1: how a bunch of proper talking about outside of that game?
Speaker 1: How well? How good was Jason Williams before he got
Speaker 1: in that motorcycle accident? To you see, I ask you,
Speaker 1: I'm biased because our first introduction was you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? So the finals was so from there it
Speaker 1: was basically for him, and then it became a double
Speaker 1: for him when he's coming into the draft. So you know,
Speaker 1: I I get the starting spot after during my rookie season,
Speaker 1: so I'm coming into my sophomore year as the starter. Well,
Speaker 1: rumor hits that you know, if they get the number
Speaker 1: two pick in the draft, they're going after Jason Williams.
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting here like wait, hold on, waiting to say. So,
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there, you know with what you know with
Speaker 1: Oldis Smith, who was you know the now he was
Speaker 1: the player development coach. So I'm like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: if they drave him, he still gotta beat me, right,
Speaker 1: And it was like he's gonna be the number two
Speaker 1: pick in the draft. You think they're gonna start a
Speaker 1: second rounder over the number two pick. I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: he gonna have to beat it's my position. He's after
Speaker 1: he has to beat me. He said, he don't have
Speaker 1: to do nothing. I said, oh, oh, that's how you know,
Speaker 1: that's how you want to play. So I'm living working
Speaker 1: on my good line. I can't wait. I can't wait
Speaker 1: till I can't weight draft. I hope you'll drafted. Hope
Speaker 1: we get the number two pick. We end up getting
Speaker 1: the number three pick. So uh so we end up
Speaker 1: getting done lady. But when we played the bulls, oh over, nah,
Speaker 1: give him quick quick double double? He asked the is
Speaker 1: he mad at me? Yes? Every night? Every night I'm mad.
Speaker 1: I don't like you. But he was, you know, it
Speaker 1: was he wasn't explosive as d Rose was, but it
Speaker 1: was that type of that type of shiftiness, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, quick crossover and when he hit the
Speaker 1: holy hit the dunk on your this and that was
Speaker 1: the sneaky part of it because he didn't look like
Speaker 1: he had a nice jumper time. I really liked him.
Speaker 1: I was just I was. I was sad that you know,
Speaker 1: obviously through that accident we didn't get a chance to
Speaker 1: see him. But that's funny your little person. It was
Speaker 1: the person. It was so funny that he had no
Speaker 1: idea that I that I that I envied him because
Speaker 1: of that, because they we was fighting for that number
Speaker 1: two spot. So after oh one or after the championship
Speaker 1: four for seventeen, you you feel like it's time to
Speaker 1: take your tale to the league. It was funny. I
Speaker 1: was the last one to choose to leave, like you know, um,
Speaker 1: and I remember I was, I came, I came back home,
Speaker 1: you know, um, you know bragging. You know I got
Speaker 1: my E S three hunting. You know, I got the
Speaker 1: wheels on it, got three, I got E S three hunting,
Speaker 1: got the TVs TVs on it full twelves in the back,
Speaker 1: so you know I'm coming thumping um. And then I
Speaker 1: see the paper and all four the starters into the
Speaker 1: draft and then had a question mark on mine. So
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here like so I had I had Olsen.
Speaker 1: He was like yeah, because he told me before the season,
Speaker 1: he said, I don't spec you to be here after
Speaker 1: this year. You know, he said, you know right now,
Speaker 1: you're better than Mike Baby. That's like Mike Babe his
Speaker 1: freshman year. He said, no, Um, you're better than Mike
Speaker 1: bb is right now as the NBA player, So I
Speaker 1: ain't passing then the ball none in what I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, so you know I was leaning towards going,
Speaker 1: but I didn't really you know, you know, if if
Speaker 1: they would have tried to say, all, we're gonna stay
Speaker 1: and go for it, I would have stayed, you know,
Speaker 1: but once you know, because at that point I really
Speaker 1: didn't you know, I wasn't playing to be an NBA player,
Speaker 1: you know, it was just I would just I was
Speaker 1: just trying to you know, one day I'll get there.
Speaker 1: And then you know, once they had the four, I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, let me go. I went through
Speaker 1: the camp. It is what it is, so you slide
Speaker 1: to the second round. How frustrating was that it was
Speaker 1: it was Brian who was a Brian? It was Bryant,
Speaker 1: it was a Brian O'Neil Celtics. Was that you remember
Speaker 1: Jim O'Brien Jim Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's an asshole. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: So they had I used to call them half ahead.
Speaker 1: That I was talking about half ahead. So they have
Speaker 1: the either they have the tenth and the eleventh or
Speaker 1: the eleventh and truth pick right, So they're going after
Speaker 1: two guards I had. I had a two day work
Speaker 1: out there Boston, Boston had two day workout. Killed in
Speaker 1: my first one, and then they wanted me to stay
Speaker 1: for the second day. But I hurt my achilles and
Speaker 1: like I previously heard it, and then I was like, man,
Speaker 1: if I if I, if I don't heal it, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna miss the rest of you know, I tried offer
Speaker 1: seventeen teams. Um fun that process, that's that's that, that's
Speaker 1: just dumb that that that has no meaning for nothing,
Speaker 1: because it means it means nothing to me. Um. And
Speaker 1: he put the rumor out that you know, I'm too immature.
Speaker 1: I don't want to I'm not taking this serious. Um
Speaker 1: he's not a player. M h. And that was the
Speaker 1: same going on. Um it once they labeled you with that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I heard my my achilles. What I was supposed to,
Speaker 1: you know, run through the wall, you know, trying out
Speaker 1: for a team. You're half a head ass, and we
Speaker 1: just telling about your working ethic. You think that because
Speaker 1: you have a lot of andrews, because you work so on.
Speaker 1: That was the reason I couldn't get back healthy. See,
Speaker 1: I got injured from Jared Wallace crash. He crashed because
Speaker 1: he clipped me and because I wanted to keep my
Speaker 1: place or improved, you know what I mean. Once you start,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm you know, every year, I'm checking off
Speaker 1: this person. All right, Okay, we got uh, we got
Speaker 1: Ai and okay Nash. You know you know I'm training,
Speaker 1: you know, to to to catch these two. So injury,
Speaker 1: this don't mean this don't mean nothing, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So I'm still doing the same routine, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, working out, working out, and I never really
Speaker 1: got it right. I never got it strong enough to
Speaker 1: do what I was trying to do. So I kept
Speaker 1: just tearing early second round to Golden State. What was
Speaker 1: the state of that team like at that time? M
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember I was so angry. I was
Speaker 1: so angry on draft day, oh, because when I came out,
Speaker 1: I was supposed to be a lottery until you go
Speaker 1: until you go to Chicago and then everybody is lottery
Speaker 1: and then you're like, who is where's you going to
Speaker 1: schoolbody talked to Yeah, you gotta remember I went to
Speaker 1: national championship. I don't know you, Joe Joe Johnson, I
Speaker 1: don't know you. Ronnie White, who are you like? I
Speaker 1: don't know who none of y'all are, but you all
Speaker 1: over here talking about lottery right right, like and that
Speaker 1: was like I didn't understand. I didn't that concept. Like
Speaker 1: I thought I was big in my world, Like you know,
Speaker 1: college basketball with championship, there's only one person I can
Speaker 1: say they're better than me, now you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But so when you're hearing these lot of the you've
Speaker 1: got the high school kids coming in, Like, so I
Speaker 1: go to the second round. On my press conference, I said,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't care about none of this. Man,
Speaker 1: I'll be starting by the middle of the seat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll be stirred about the build of the season. Look
Speaker 1: up all the Buckers, man, So who was like, who you?
Speaker 1: Who's your team? Team out? So we had so we
Speaker 1: had Mookie Baylock move uh, Larry Hughes, We have Bobby Sara,
Speaker 1: and then we had Antoine Jamison, Uh Damn Pierre. We
Speaker 1: had Damn Pierre, Donna Foyle, we have Mark Jackson, Big
Speaker 1: Mark Jackson, Philly and we had uh Danny Fortson, y'all
Speaker 1: have some mons um Vontigo Cummings and then we had
Speaker 1: me Jason Richardson and Trey Murphy's what was like like
Speaker 1: early on because I know you can get just your
Speaker 1: shot right away. When did you finally start getting your shot? When? Uh,
Speaker 1: it was like right before the mid season. It was
Speaker 1: Mookie baylock so we started. So we was it was
Speaker 1: one of those teams. Is you as a rookie, you
Speaker 1: like you thought this was the NBA, right, you know, guns, women, cars,
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's what I've seen. And that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's that was a lifestyle, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's so that's what I think the NBA is. So
Speaker 1: I remember it was like eleven, like eleven twenty. Mookie
Speaker 1: Bay like come in country, had his golf clubs like
Speaker 1: we already probably pryingly started. He always came late, coming
Speaker 1: in coming to the golf club. Put it talking, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: come on out of man. I got that. I gotta
Speaker 1: give me some more time. Man just came from the
Speaker 1: golf course right and Dave Cowens was just like, no, no, no, no, Mookie, No,
Speaker 1: you are a bad You are a dog gass player.
Speaker 1: Dog gass. I'm a dog gass player. You're a dog
Speaker 1: ass allowing me to do this going back to the
Speaker 1: Green packed this ship up and took his shoes off. Left,
Speaker 1: never seen sucking Mookie Baylock again after I've never seen
Speaker 1: Mookie Baylock again, never seen him again. And human for
Speaker 1: never seeing this motherfucker again after that stealing that back.
Speaker 1: Nine just just just left, never seen him in traffic nothing,
Speaker 1: Never knew what happened to Like it was just one
Speaker 1: of those things just straight disappeared. And then from there
Speaker 1: like that, So that was one guard gone, um and
Speaker 1: then from there it was Larry Hughes got hurt. Our
Speaker 1: six men didn't want to start. He wanted to, you know,
Speaker 1: keep his on the role. So they took me off
Speaker 1: I r and put me in and then never look back,
Speaker 1: never looked back. How did you improve between your one
Speaker 1: and two? Anger? You know, anger from you know, like
Speaker 1: you know J. C. Williams coming then and um Chris Mullen,
Speaker 1: Chris Chris, Chris Mullen, you know, teaching me how to improve,
Speaker 1: how to get better? Um, ship Mark, Mark, Mark, you know,
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta really think Mark Jackson, you know,
Speaker 1: Big Mark, because he helped me through my my my
Speaker 1: rookie year, because dude, I was I was, I was depressed,
Speaker 1: and I mean, you know you're sitting there and you're
Speaker 1: seeing you know, players that you know, one on one,
Speaker 1: you better than It's like, you know, are you getting
Speaker 1: this shine y'all? Even give me a fair shot? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? I thought, when we get hits,
Speaker 1: the best, the best talent, even though I really wasn't
Speaker 1: ready because when I did get a chance, I got
Speaker 1: sucked up, you know what I mean. Um, but but practice, No,
Speaker 1: you couldn't saw me in practice, and that somethingbody that
Speaker 1: game was kind of sucking me. It was the other opponents.
Speaker 1: It was a yeah, it was it was the mother
Speaker 1: opponents that I didn't know where all that was kind
Speaker 1: of like a dog give me when I got out there. Um,
Speaker 1: so you know, and he's like, don't don't worry about
Speaker 1: this ship, rook, And he always don't worry about it. Listen,
Speaker 1: I played twenty five games, the last twenty five games million,
Speaker 1: he said, you know what I mean. He's like, I
Speaker 1: played the last twenty five games, I got paid twenty
Speaker 1: five million, don't worry about none of this ship. Just
Speaker 1: stay focused. When they call you, be ready. So he'll
Speaker 1: wake me up. He'll wake me up. Like when I
Speaker 1: was the president, he'd like, Yo, we're gonna go train,
Speaker 1: so we'll play full court one on one and half
Speaker 1: court one on one. And he's just trying to, you know,
Speaker 1: teach me what to look for, how to look forward,
Speaker 1: you know, just making me a better one on one player,
Speaker 1: so you know, even do a team that. And we
Speaker 1: never really was on the court together because when I started,
Speaker 1: he was benched, you know. But he's staying in my
Speaker 1: ear and I remember, I remember he did scare me
Speaker 1: when I did get in the game, because you know,
Speaker 1: Marcus Loud, you know you're coming down the courter, whoa
Speaker 1: play like? You know, so like it kind of it
Speaker 1: kind of shook me out. He's like, man, listen, don't
Speaker 1: worry about that. I just I just want the ball.
Speaker 1: I mean because I don't worry about the value of it.
Speaker 1: Just just know I want I'm gonna do something with it.
Speaker 1: I'm always I'm always so market play. Definitely shout out marks,
Speaker 1: so you win most improved player. Uh, coming in to
Speaker 1: the O two are excuse me? The two O three season?
Speaker 1: How important was that to you? Knowing what your next
Speaker 1: situation was gonna be. Um. I remember I did my
Speaker 1: press conference and said, ship I was good last year.
Speaker 1: I said I ain't improved, I said, I said, I
Speaker 1: include what number is y'all going off to it? Because
Speaker 1: I said, when I started out of average about seventeen
Speaker 1: and hey, so shoot, I'm averaging eighteen six and fold,
Speaker 1: this ain't no improved men, to be honest, But I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take the award though, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I said, y'all looking at the total number. You gotta
Speaker 1: remember I played thirty seconds, twenty seconds that that that
Speaker 1: brings it down to ten. But as a starter, I was,
Speaker 1: I was legit. So I wanted to I really wanted
Speaker 1: to stay in in in in Oakland, you know. But
Speaker 1: then they had that rule where if you don't have
Speaker 1: your bird rights, you know what I mean, that's only
Speaker 1: a certain amount of money they can sign you for.
Speaker 1: Don't think I a rule after you named after you.
Speaker 1: It was because it was because of that, because they
Speaker 1: walk us through that um actually just walked through your experience.
Speaker 1: So Kicky Vnderway, that was my guy, you know from
Speaker 1: U C. L A. So he used to train so
Speaker 1: he knew you know that you know I was coming along.
Speaker 1: So you know he's the generamaner for Denver. So that
Speaker 1: was a rumor all year, Denver, Denver, Denver, Denver. That's
Speaker 1: where I'm going. So all he has to do is
Speaker 1: just beat them, you know. So the most taken all
Speaker 1: for me at that time was was it forty It
Speaker 1: was at forty nine. It was the it was the
Speaker 1: mid level, it was forty nine. So you know, negotiations
Speaker 1: already started. Kiki come out of one, right, So we're
Speaker 1: asking for the max. What's the max for your max?
Speaker 1: Was seven seventy nine? It was it was seven years
Speaker 1: seventy nine. Um, what was the funny that was? You
Speaker 1: know that that was that Kobe man was so funny.
Speaker 1: It wasn't Kobe's. It was Kobe's max. But the it
Speaker 1: went up a little bit. So that was like just
Speaker 1: a regular max for me, you know, seventy nine million,
Speaker 1: seven years. So we're going to free agency. It's lamar
Speaker 1: Odom then me. Um, so I'm waiting for lamar Oldham
Speaker 1: so I can see what he's he's waiting for me
Speaker 1: because he knows whatever he gets, I'm at least ten
Speaker 1: million dollars, you know, higher, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You know, you know, So what ends up happening is
Speaker 1: Denver tries to bluff and they signed um Miller Andre Miller.
Speaker 1: I said, well, all right, we don't need Gilbert Will
Speaker 1: what's sign Andre? And gave Andre fifty one and I
Speaker 1: was like, well, you know, if you still want to
Speaker 1: come and give you fifty two. So we're like, I mean,
Speaker 1: you're paying Andre for what he did two years ago,
Speaker 1: not for what he did this year. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's two different engines, is a pure point. I'm a hybrid,
Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean, you know what you're
Speaker 1: gonna get from him? My ceiling, we don't know what's
Speaker 1: what's going on over here and there. So then and
Speaker 1: then um U talk came in and I just I
Speaker 1: didn't even want to listen to that number. It was
Speaker 1: in the seventies though, but you know they just lost
Speaker 1: John Stockton and those two games we played, I bopped him.
Speaker 1: But as John Stockton, you know, I don't want to
Speaker 1: follow John Stockton, especially the type guard I am. That's
Speaker 1: a disaster, that's that's career ending. UM. I got the
Speaker 1: Clippers Washington in Miami, left, UM I go to Washington
Speaker 1: and um A Poland owner was like, UM, you know,
Speaker 1: rest in peace. It was like, UM, whatever we have,
Speaker 1: we're giving it to you. He said, you come here,
Speaker 1: you will be the franchise of this city. We have
Speaker 1: no face, right, they said, you know we have you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of football players, you know, but you know
Speaker 1: we don't have a face of this city. You know,
Speaker 1: Jordan was the face. He's gone. If you can help
Speaker 1: me out of this Jordan crisis, I would be indebted
Speaker 1: to you. So as all right, he said, Um, Brian
Speaker 1: Russell is gonna opt out of his deal to go
Speaker 1: chase that championship with the Lakers. So if that, if
Speaker 1: he outside of that deal, and then the salary cap
Speaker 1: comes up, we'll have more money because at that time
Speaker 1: they have Clippers are from We're still asking for the
Speaker 1: max and see if we can get a little bit more.
Speaker 1: And then with the Clippers, you know, I wanted to
Speaker 1: be home, but I didn't want to be home. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like I want to be home, but I don't
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want that pressure of friends and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Um. And then Miami was like, um,
Speaker 1: Miami was like, we're drafting. We're drafted Dwayne Wade. We
Speaker 1: want to put him at the one, you know, so
Speaker 1: we don't we don't want to pay a young guy
Speaker 1: we don't really know of him. We already just we
Speaker 1: we just have you know, we we just happened one.
Speaker 1: So they were like, we're not gonna We're not gonna
Speaker 1: pay that type of money. So I go back to
Speaker 1: I go to Golden State was my last stop. I
Speaker 1: wanted to go last. Um. I remember, I got the
Speaker 1: warning first they're gonna make it about the team and
Speaker 1: your friendship. And you know, I all that right, just
Speaker 1: keep keep keep focused on what's important, all right. Cool.
Speaker 1: So taking a jet from here to Oakland, like a
Speaker 1: TiO was on the plane, I'm like, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: looking at my dad like, yo, that's Tea, that's Trull.
Speaker 1: I was like, what is he doing here? And it's yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm like that's Teal number one, bro right. And
Speaker 1: then my dad he's you know, telling about you know,
Speaker 1: the city and this and this and how it's a
Speaker 1: good family or you know. I'm feel like all right,
Speaker 1: man too and he was like, man, I hope to
Speaker 1: see you soon. I was, are you will right? You know,
Speaker 1: you will pull up to the hotel. It was like
Speaker 1: a viper Ferrari lambers, like full beautiful cars out there.
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, there's some ballers is here bro at
Speaker 1: the Oak area, the President, this was somewhere else. This
Speaker 1: was like San Jose was like I said, Jose somewhere
Speaker 1: and like like they parked out there, just like yo,
Speaker 1: they got some point people been down here, right, So
Speaker 1: we go up. We started talking and it was like
Speaker 1: you know, you know, we go through all of and
Speaker 1: then they were like, uh, all right. You know, with
Speaker 1: the way the rules are, we can't beat none of
Speaker 1: the offers you have. You know, we're capped off. But
Speaker 1: what we can do is we can sell into a
Speaker 1: one year deal, you know, four point nine, and then
Speaker 1: you know, and then we can have under the table deal,
Speaker 1: which would have been seven it was seven years seventy nine.
Speaker 1: And those four cars down on stairs. Mm hmm. So
Speaker 1: they're still talking. I don't get what they talked about.
Speaker 1: All I'm thinking, that's like your Monday that way. I
Speaker 1: know my ex gonna hate because I'm pull up on
Speaker 1: pull up on all her niggas that she was like
Speaker 1: yeah about, yeah, she gonna hate me. Now. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: go they go little this call and be on sunset
Speaker 1: on Friday. This is gonna be my Friday cars Saturday.
Speaker 1: Like I already got the cars playing now, and they're
Speaker 1: talking and then all I see is them get up,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yo, where y'all Where y'all going right?
Speaker 1: And and then agents like, yeah, we're gonna you know,
Speaker 1: Dan fagging restip piece. He was like, we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about the offers. And then uh I was like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, uh so those four cars of mine right,
Speaker 1: and then it's like, I told you wasn't listening as
Speaker 1: soon as you heard them four cars is here? If
Speaker 1: I just check the funk out? And I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, no, no, no no, I
Speaker 1: want to I want to stay, Like why would I
Speaker 1: seven nine million, nine years? Why when I stay? He
Speaker 1: was like wait, hold hold on. And then they said
Speaker 1: let me lay it out for you. I was all right,
Speaker 1: laid out that. That was going nice. So they're just
Speaker 1: writing down their numbers. I'm all, I'm thinking about the cards, right,
Speaker 1: you gonna live? I was. I was a straight kid,
Speaker 1: but like for whips and it was like, all right,
Speaker 1: so look you have Washington just moved up to sixty
Speaker 1: five for six years. That's all right, that's what's happening.
Speaker 1: You ain't got no cars in there. Though, and then
Speaker 1: so they do the math and he said, all right,
Speaker 1: now look at it. I'm looking. I'm looking. He said,
Speaker 1: look without the cars. I said, I'm looking without the cars.
Speaker 1: One year PHO nine eight nine. Yeah. And then so
Speaker 1: by time the money even matched up, I would have
Speaker 1: been out of the Washington deal, hopefully signing the match. So,
Speaker 1: you know, the first year on the Washington making four
Speaker 1: million extra. So I'm sitting here like, give up calls.
Speaker 1: It's like, yo, with four extra million, you can buy
Speaker 1: your own cars. He said, don't be in there. So
Speaker 1: I was all right, man, And then you know the vibe,
Speaker 1: I didn't even feel the vibe though. It was one
Speaker 1: of those you got the owner in there, right, It
Speaker 1: was more of a vibe for me. You got the
Speaker 1: owner in there, and we'ver here talking about the on
Speaker 1: the table deal, like you really and he he pretending,
Speaker 1: he yeah, on the table good money. But it's on
Speaker 1: the table to anybody here where you can you can
Speaker 1: look me to make sure this ship going. So I
Speaker 1: was gonna sign it, was gonna have it. You know,
Speaker 1: I was gonna keep a copy. He was gonna keep
Speaker 1: a copy, right, But he can't even look me in
Speaker 1: my line, and I'm like, yeah, y'all got y'all go
Speaker 1: screw somebody. I'm good. So I bounced. What was it like,
Speaker 1: helping turn of into a playoff team? It was you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, it was amazing. Um it was
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're, you're you're going out of the
Speaker 1: Jordan era. You're coming in. Well, it was one of
Speaker 1: those things where I'm not coming I'm coming into you.
Speaker 1: Remember Kwami Brown's there, So he's the franchise. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: He's a franchise. You know, Matt Mami just talking to
Speaker 1: the previous show we just had, how good a Quama was?
Speaker 1: Y'all killed him? Man Maverick Like that was one of
Speaker 1: the top number one picks around right, I'm just saying
Speaker 1: what Mac Matt said. This maid was one of the
Speaker 1: one of the number best number one picks of all time.
Speaker 1: He could have been, He could have he could have been.
Speaker 1: And this is why. Imagine being an eighteen year old
Speaker 1: kid getting drafted number one by your your idol, and
Speaker 1: your idol is Michael Jordan's. We know Michael Jordan's, we
Speaker 1: know Michael Jordan's personality. Imagine that personality slapped him in
Speaker 1: the face going towards an eight year old kid, you know,
Speaker 1: just you know, just bullying on him, you know. And
Speaker 1: you gotta remember he's around his peers. You're not his peer,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, You're not his peers. These
Speaker 1: are his peers. So when you're making him look a
Speaker 1: little to his peers, he loses his confidence. So when
Speaker 1: I get there, he doesn't have confidence, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So it's trying to build this this man
Speaker 1: child up. What I mean, man child, you're talking about
Speaker 1: it just a big country human, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So physically he has he's called him the show pony,
Speaker 1: and it loses the show horse. I mean, probably couldn't race.
Speaker 1: Looks look good, look good, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So in games, use like you was see like flashes
Speaker 1: like he's gone, but then you have a flash of trauma.
Speaker 1: Have a flash, you have a flash of trauma. You're like,
Speaker 1: and I who he could have been? He could have
Speaker 1: been more like an Anthony David style. You're talking about
Speaker 1: a seven foot guy who was probably the second fastest
Speaker 1: on our team, like just straight hunted. Oh he was gone,
Speaker 1: small hands, so he was more guard like you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So when he decided to take off.
Speaker 1: You know, he's gone, ball still there, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But I just I just think it was
Speaker 1: like what I'm saying, but like the ball was still there,
Speaker 1: but it was more it was more the trauma than anything.
Speaker 1: And it was more like even though Jordan left, he
Speaker 1: still needed a flash guard because once I got there,
Speaker 1: I don't got time to be working with you. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean, I ain't got times. Just either
Speaker 1: you don't tea with my team. We're both in the
Speaker 1: same draft, you know what I mean, We're both in
Speaker 1: the same drafting. Right now, I make more money and
Speaker 1: he so technically it's my team, and you know, I
Speaker 1: just you know, and and then right now it's like
Speaker 1: between me and Stackhouse, I got I got big sack
Speaker 1: with me too, so it's like, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: it's stack scene, you know what I mean, it's stacks
Speaker 1: seam but on the future, you know, and stacks like nah.
Speaker 1: And then he like laid the rule down. He said,
Speaker 1: I mean, we have a team meeting. He was like, looking,
Speaker 1: if your ass average five last year, emotion, your ass
Speaker 1: going to average this year is eight, you ain't gonna
Speaker 1: be going from five to twenty. Get that ship out
Speaker 1: your brain on this team. I'm sitting here like that
Speaker 1: stops all that ship. That stops all that ship right there.
Speaker 1: Ain't really got to compete no more. And then it
Speaker 1: was it was one of these It was one of
Speaker 1: those things where from there now we're just trying once
Speaker 1: we established who's who, from there's just building, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And you know Larry Hughes, you know,
Speaker 1: because that was my biggest thing going there was Larry
Speaker 1: use you know, I took his position in Washington, I mean,
Speaker 1: in Oakland. I didn't want to bump heads and in
Speaker 1: in d C. And he was like, nah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: play the two. Come on through, man, you can be
Speaker 1: the one too. So from there is just trying to
Speaker 1: figure out each other's game. And then this new offense
Speaker 1: we bumped. We just we bumped against the offense the
Speaker 1: first year, and then once we understood what it was
Speaker 1: that second year, it was nice took off. So you
Speaker 1: you're oh, four oh five years, twenty five point five,
Speaker 1: oh five oh six, about twenty nine and a half
Speaker 1: oh six or seven, twenty eight and a half, do
Speaker 1: you feel like that was when you were really no
Speaker 1: one can sunk with you. Yeah, definitely. I mean I remember,
Speaker 1: you know, Larry was all first team defense, So I
Speaker 1: get to go against all first team defense every day
Speaker 1: in practice. So there's only one more guard that's gonna
Speaker 1: be matched up in that category. So if get to
Speaker 1: go against him every single day and perfect my skill
Speaker 1: around this, I don't feel a threat out there, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. There's only one more you know,
Speaker 1: a person that's gonna be on this level. Other than that,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be two fowards in the center. You know.
Speaker 1: That's how I look at it. Second team and third team,
Speaker 1: y'all got a chance, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here again. I I egg him on all
Speaker 1: all day and pregnant. You know, he's quiet. You know
Speaker 1: I'm egging him, aid coach, they coach. Bro can't guard me, Bro,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? You know, because I need
Speaker 1: to really get him going so I can, you know,
Speaker 1: see all the little tricks he's gonna cause I remember,
Speaker 1: he's guarding the Kobe, he's guarding, he's guarding everybody, So
Speaker 1: I need to see what he's gonna do so I
Speaker 1: know how to adjust, you know, and then you know,
Speaker 1: once I figured out what I can do against him.
Speaker 1: I was like, there's there's nobody who's gonna be able
Speaker 1: to stop. And I mean, if he can't sign me, no,
Speaker 1: I remember we went to the playoff against him. Oh
Speaker 1: you're done. You're done, bro, I talk, you're done, You're done.
Speaker 1: What I had then when you was here, I got
Speaker 1: some new ship with me, you know, And that's how
Speaker 1: we went to the playoff series because I knew he
Speaker 1: was gonna have to go. I got some new ship
Speaker 1: with me. You're about you're about to find out. I mean,
Speaker 1: I have thirty or four ft this series. So oh
Speaker 1: four oh five, O five, you made the playoffs, beat
Speaker 1: the Bulls in six, running the shock and d way
Speaker 1: tell me about talking about that Miami team. We really
Speaker 1: thought we could compete, we know, we really thought we
Speaker 1: could compete against the boys. Man, they smacked the ship
Speaker 1: out of us. Man. We was like some little We
Speaker 1: was like some little ass kids compared to them. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about eatime now, Brendon, Brendon in
Speaker 1: EA time, and then you got Zoe coming off the bench,
Speaker 1: and then you know what I mean, so you got
Speaker 1: Alonzo Morning coming up. That's a starter, you know before
Speaker 1: Shot got there, So you got another starter coming off
Speaker 1: the bench, and we have a backup in a third.
Speaker 1: We know our our Besides, once Brittain went out, you
Speaker 1: know everybody else is under side now compared to them too.
Speaker 1: And I mean so you know when you when you
Speaker 1: got them young de Way, I mean m hm, trouble
Speaker 1: and Shot could even play two games. M hmm. It
Speaker 1: was still a smacking us least. It was one of
Speaker 1: those things where it wasn't even I mean, it wasn't
Speaker 1: even a contest. What did you learn though, because you,
Speaker 1: I mean you make it. You take a lesson from
Speaker 1: everything we learned. We wasn't in the league. First of all,
Speaker 1: we learned we was not on the same playing field
Speaker 1: as that team. I remember I was remember read a
Speaker 1: sign and after we played the Bulls, we want the heat.
Speaker 1: Yeah we do. Game. It was we down old three
Speaker 1: and we down like fifteen in the four, in in
Speaker 1: in the uh in the fourth there's a sign you
Speaker 1: wanted the heat. Now y'all got burned. And I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there laughing like this is embarrassed it bro, we got
Speaker 1: swept in a second round. What was it like winning
Speaker 1: and competing in the playoffs for the first time, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It was. It was crazy. I
Speaker 1: remember I had to I had to say something in
Speaker 1: the paper about the experience we had in Chicago. And
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta remember we have Palmie, you know,
Speaker 1: so writing you know, he's getting booed at home every
Speaker 1: time he mass soon as he missed a layup. They're
Speaker 1: doing the man, Yeah, they're doing him. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It was like one of them like, damn,
Speaker 1: bro well, I ain't passing about them. And he'd come
Speaker 1: he'd be like, hey, listen, hey, And this is where
Speaker 1: I knew. I was like, man, he just needs to
Speaker 1: get a new he needs to leave. Yeah, because he
Speaker 1: was like, you know, he'd come to me. It's like, yo, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, I know they said five down, you know
Speaker 1: when I get in, but let me let me get
Speaker 1: like a tip tipp in first. Don't come directly to me.
Speaker 1: That's how shaking he was. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You can boot at your own home. I mean, you
Speaker 1: don't even want to be home. You want to be
Speaker 1: on the road. You be home no more. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. You don't want to play the home
Speaker 1: game because you're getting booed the road, booing you cousin,
Speaker 1: you killed them your home booon because it hate you,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So you know he really
Speaker 1: has some some some personal stuff, you know, at home game.
Speaker 1: So we're going in to Chicago and like you know,
Speaker 1: you you're watching on TV, like crowds and stuff, and
Speaker 1: you can feel you can feel it in your chest,
Speaker 1: the cheers and the like. You can you can feel
Speaker 1: like god, God, damn, the like this is. This is
Speaker 1: a crowd like like I never experienced nothing, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, d C. There's a home base, but it's
Speaker 1: it's it's a transit city, what I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's transit, you know, so everyone's not from there. Um.
Speaker 1: So I you know, after those straight two losses, I said, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: we need all y'all to boot it. We we got
Speaker 1: the ghost boot out of us. You know that we
Speaker 1: need y'all to to to cheer, cheer. We need y'all,
Speaker 1: We need y'all support here because what we just witnessed
Speaker 1: that was unity over there, and I mean they stepped
Speaker 1: up the hell out of the mother four straight. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go on record here, Scott Skiles, uh he sucked
Speaker 1: off that because he benched. He benched a player that
Speaker 1: we really didn't have an answer for, Eddie Curry too big.
Speaker 1: You remember they have Eddie Curry and Tyson at the four,
Speaker 1: five animals. We got Antoine at the four. So the
Speaker 1: fact that we don't have to guard you know, Eddie Curry.
Speaker 1: We're good, We're good. So the only reason we escaped
Speaker 1: out of there because Scott Scott's benched him and didn't
Speaker 1: and didn't want to play him because we we couldn't.
Speaker 1: We we didn't have no answer for both before the
Speaker 1: job Scotty, because you remember they still got Noon, they
Speaker 1: still had Dang, they still and then you got the
Speaker 1: guard play of Ben Gordon Man was a killer killed
Speaker 1: us and Pargo killed us too. Yeah. A team, yeah
Speaker 1: they had. They had a tough team that you know,
Speaker 1: like we was up. We was up twenty with four
Speaker 1: minutes leapting. Fucking Pargo comes in and get fire fire
Speaker 1: you tie the game up, and that the shot I
Speaker 1: hit Pargo bring them back. The crowd left. It was
Speaker 1: in the parking lot of ship. They thought it was over.
Speaker 1: Pargo three three three boom tie game to Agent zero nickname.
Speaker 1: Where did that come from that was on MySpace. I wonder,
Speaker 1: can I find my MySpace code my myspaces to be
Speaker 1: had my space situation and go to state where the
Speaker 1: chick didn't look like she did in the picture. So
Speaker 1: she came to the door and I just never answered.
Speaker 1: And that was that was bage you got. I was backpage.
Speaker 1: My whole girl hadn't set it up and everything, and
Speaker 1: this bitch for the school, this chick was bad. I
Speaker 1: thought she was bad. So she came to the door
Speaker 1: and I looked through the peak, cold, rubbed the peak
Speaker 1: a little bit and just went back and sat and
Speaker 1: smoked from the couch, not for like five minutes, called
Speaker 1: my phone and everything just it wasn't for me. I
Speaker 1: had my back. I was calling myself the black President.
Speaker 1: I was I was called the Black President. And then
Speaker 1: I had all the girls and I had like top eight,
Speaker 1: and then it had had I put secret service, secret service.
Speaker 1: I'm black President. Is my secret service. And then while
Speaker 1: I was in Washington after like my first year, somebody
Speaker 1: was like, man agent zero, you just like seek serves you.
Speaker 1: And I was like like that, you know, stuck with
Speaker 1: me having your own Adidas shoe. How exciding was that?
Speaker 1: You know? That's always that's always wild, especially yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: especially growing up and you know you're you're sneaker head
Speaker 1: and you're buying you know, every sneaker that comes out,
Speaker 1: you know, if your favorite players. So the fact that
Speaker 1: you know, Didas gave me a line and said it's
Speaker 1: your signature shoes, you know, that was like you know
Speaker 1: that that was like I made it. And I mean,
Speaker 1: you know the kids back home at you know, at
Speaker 1: my high school, theyre gonna be wearing shoes. Who was
Speaker 1: the Adida's team at that time? Because I used to
Speaker 1: take pictures of you guys. You gotta goes you Tea,
Speaker 1: Mack Dimmi, sim Jonkin, Yeah, who else? KG and White.
Speaker 1: I was a time I just wasn't what you guys.
Speaker 1: I was on the third level. She was on the
Speaker 1: level on the F and and and and team Mac
Speaker 1: wasn't hold other love man incredible. He don't get enough
Speaker 1: love like Bro Bro okay, KG big big big. There
Speaker 1: was no T Mac big like I Like I remember
Speaker 1: we were in photo shoots, right, and I mean you're
Speaker 1: talking about KG Bro, Tim Duncan Matt coming in like, hey,
Speaker 1: what we're doing today? What's what's the call? Time. That's all.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be here six hours. Oh hell no, we not.
Speaker 1: Y'all got five flicks, five five, you got five pictures.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hear five clicks and we're out of here, now,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I'm I'm looking like okay, like
Speaker 1: like like five like and he looking around and it
Speaker 1: was like and I'm looking at him. He's hey, whatever,
Speaker 1: Max say, goes Bro, Okay, let's just see how one, two,
Speaker 1: five walk out? That was it? And I'm like, for us,
Speaker 1: that ain't it. That's it? Back to the jet. Him
Speaker 1: is like, if Max says it, it's it. We're done. Damn.
Speaker 1: I was like, he gotta like yeah, every I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm only I'm only doing stuff with Mac. I'm only
Speaker 1: doing stuff with Mac Bro. I'm not I'm not nobody
Speaker 1: else Mac. All day he shut ship down. I've never
Speaker 1: I've never seen I've never seen anything like it. Man,
Speaker 1: Like you said, well for who was there too? That's tough.
Speaker 1: Like I went. I went to China with him, insane.
Speaker 1: I feel like a girlfriend for like a girlfriend. When
Speaker 1: he walked through the mall right, like to worry, they'll
Speaker 1: they don't pay attention to you. There's a star. You
Speaker 1: just sit back, hold your purse. That's we got off
Speaker 1: that plane into that that airport, and all you heard
Speaker 1: was Mac Mac and I've I've had my agent zero
Speaker 1: tours there, so I'm big. I'm I'm big doing something
Speaker 1: over there. Like I'm sitting here like no, they they know,
Speaker 1: they don't see they know me, like I get cheers,
Speaker 1: like I get ship, like y'all, y'all don't be here.
Speaker 1: I did all my tours here, shut shut down. Mac
Speaker 1: is in front. I'm sitting there like bro, like get
Speaker 1: into that. You know what's a bullshit When he get in.
Speaker 1: He got in the rolls Roys boom boom boom convoy
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting here in a tax cat and we
Speaker 1: came here together up like man, that's superstar. He got
Speaker 1: he had a jet for a while, fresh off ada's money.
Speaker 1: We had nothing to do with NBA money. That was
Speaker 1: all the DA's money. And take us through your free
Speaker 1: agency in Washington when you were going to leave you
Speaker 1: to the story you were telling us over there. Um
Speaker 1: so I you know, I I'm off two knee surgeries, right,
Speaker 1: so I get hurt. Oh seven didn't get to finish
Speaker 1: at the oh seven year came back, played eight games
Speaker 1: and then went down again right same same knee, and
Speaker 1: then playoffs start, and I was like, shoot, all I
Speaker 1: need is about two games, one good quarter and I'm
Speaker 1: hitting that market. Right play against Cleveland, game had twenty
Speaker 1: four at the half. I'll gold, I'm I'm free agent now,
Speaker 1: and I mean showed them I'm back. I'm back a
Speaker 1: little bit, you know, I still got it. And then
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, if I don't do it,
Speaker 1: so you know, I'm sitting here with the real dilemma,
Speaker 1: like if I don't come back and I stay in
Speaker 1: my contract, this is this is it. I gotta opt
Speaker 1: out right now, so you know, because they gotta pay
Speaker 1: me and they gotta pay me something. Um. So that
Speaker 1: was that was my decision, you know, going into free agency.
Speaker 1: So my book I set my you know, was the
Speaker 1: July one free agency. So I set my agent zero
Speaker 1: tour starting you know, leaving July one, So July one
Speaker 1: to eleven, so I'm doing an all Asian you know,
Speaker 1: all Asian tour um. So you know, midnight, you know,
Speaker 1: midnight comes, you know, you know, some teams called a
Speaker 1: little bit early, you know. So I got I got
Speaker 1: win um b D was leaving the Clippers. So BED was,
Speaker 1: you know, leaving Golden State going to the Clippers. So
Speaker 1: I get the call, uh that they're gonna offer me
Speaker 1: to Max. Golden State is Golden State's gonna offer me
Speaker 1: to Max? So the max at that time for me
Speaker 1: leaving was five year, one on one. Um, was it funny?
Speaker 1: This is a third party calling? This wasn't this. You
Speaker 1: probably knew who called ballhead, so this, you know, this
Speaker 1: wasn't official. There was an official so and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: well man, I just bought a house here. Man all that.
Speaker 1: It was like, oh no, we're gonna we're gonna they
Speaker 1: get your five million dollar house and uh, you know, helicopter,
Speaker 1: and I mean they hit me with that young ship again.
Speaker 1: And I was in you know what I mean? But
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, let me go on, you know,
Speaker 1: five year one on one, you know, helicopter, helicopter house
Speaker 1: back in the bay. Go there, I go there, you know,
Speaker 1: chess all out confident. I remember I'm still new to
Speaker 1: need certainly, so I know it's gonna be some tugger
Speaker 1: warrior um and I have to give it to Ernie.
Speaker 1: Ernie Ernie. He did what he was supposed to do,
Speaker 1: low ball and then build from there. Um see, I
Speaker 1: wasn't like Larry's. They tried that with Larry, and I said,
Speaker 1: they couldn't do that with Larry. You know, Larry ain't
Speaker 1: going for that bullshit with that little ball ship. You
Speaker 1: either offer them what he won't or he's gonna leave.
Speaker 1: And that's you know, that's why Larry left. So you know,
Speaker 1: he pushed that paper over, you know, slid it over
Speaker 1: to Yeah, you know, this is what we think you worth.
Speaker 1: You did great. You are a guy you know, many
Speaker 1: years to come, you know, yeah, you know, so I
Speaker 1: get it. You don't look at it, you know, you
Speaker 1: go we go straight for the number for all this wording.
Speaker 1: Oh you know, so I mean you know you know
Speaker 1: look yeah, yeah, you look up like eight eighties. I
Speaker 1: can't even say that, right, eighty six. If he's not
Speaker 1: eighty nine, it should be a one somewhere around. He's
Speaker 1: supposed to be like three of these digits. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like it gotta be three digits because when I
Speaker 1: did my calculations, it was, you know, three. They're supposed
Speaker 1: to been like one, seventeen, one, twenty it was three digits,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm you know, eighty six. You know
Speaker 1: that's my mother's twenty more millionare when I was already
Speaker 1: getting So I'm sitting here like, yeah, um go to
Speaker 1: State offered me the max. So he looked at me.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, it was five year, one on
Speaker 1: one baron David just opted out, so you know, he
Speaker 1: sent this assistant out, you know, to go you know,
Speaker 1: facts check came back and gave him a little head
Speaker 1: nod that I hit him with the Cohen All right,
Speaker 1: but look, I'm out of here, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I gotta trip in the morning, so I got to
Speaker 1: get some sleep. You know, we'll we'll, we'll talk about
Speaker 1: this I get back, you know, like when you're coming
Speaker 1: back at eleven. I mean, no team on it, you know,
Speaker 1: like negotiate. You gotta wait till the eat eleven till
Speaker 1: I get back before you can do anything. So hold
Speaker 1: of all the money that holder, Antoine, gotta everybody gotta wait. Right,
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm at the airport, right, I'm at the airport,
Speaker 1: and um owner called me a poland it was like,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, so don't worry about them. You know, I
Speaker 1: can fire them if you won't. Uh, it's it's max.
Speaker 1: Whatever your max is, that's what the money is. And
Speaker 1: I don't I don't care what it is. You're my guy.
Speaker 1: You did everything you said you were gonna do. You
Speaker 1: got me out of Jordan era. No one talks about Jordan's,
Speaker 1: you know, no one's you know, you've done everything you
Speaker 1: said you were gonna do. They said, you know, your
Speaker 1: knees doesn't look. I don't care about none of that.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be the last guy I signed. I probably
Speaker 1: won't be here long enough to see contract through. So
Speaker 1: the money ain't got the money ain't gonna follow me.
Speaker 1: Whatever you want is yours. You do it how you see,
Speaker 1: so what you get. So my max was one seven,
Speaker 1: so I turned. I gave back sixteen million UM because
Speaker 1: I liked, you know, penny hearted one one one. I
Speaker 1: just like one one one, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So that was, you know, penny, penny penny. That's how
Speaker 1: I did my number one one one UM. And I
Speaker 1: gave you know, because Antoine was also a free agent
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, offered him big money too, which they end
Speaker 1: up giving the Elton brand. I think it's like eighties
Speaker 1: six millions something at that five year eighties six, you know.
Speaker 1: So and so I was like, oh, I gotta save
Speaker 1: some big money for Antoine so they can sign him back.
Speaker 1: You know. So I left sixteen million dollars on the
Speaker 1: table to give the organization with a room. Jack, What
Speaker 1: you how much you leaving on the table? Jack? Absolutely nothing?
Speaker 1: Not to got that. Someone asked me now as the player,
Speaker 1: like yo, I want to I'll tell him no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: Your job isn't to create caproo. That's their fucking job.
Speaker 1: This is their business. You get every dollar your work.
Speaker 1: You're trying to be in their situation. We're not taught that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We're taught. You know, we're
Speaker 1: sacrificing for championships and this and this, and we're we're
Speaker 1: we're sacrificing for billionaires. Right, so a billionaires like man,
Speaker 1: I can't I supposed to get fifty million this year
Speaker 1: in profit? You want to sign? You want Jack to sign?
Speaker 1: You know that he's gonna take me down ten million profit? Nah,
Speaker 1: y'all figure that ship out so they may you negotiate
Speaker 1: your own you know, your own wealth so they can
Speaker 1: keep their profit margin. Like no, that's not my job. Like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm Max. He's Max. Figure that ship out. That ain't
Speaker 1: got to figure it out. I'm trying to be I'm
Speaker 1: trying to be a big in there too. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean. You want the championship to pay for it?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? So you know you've got
Speaker 1: players out here, you know, like you know, taking paid
Speaker 1: cuts for millionaires, taking pay cut for billionaires. So like
Speaker 1: when I tell me like I did it, I did
Speaker 1: it because I was Lord Antoine. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I was Lord Antoine. If it was somebody else, I
Speaker 1: don't know. And I mean I was like, well I
Speaker 1: need I need big fella because my my career thrives
Speaker 1: on his shooting ability. You can't double me if he's
Speaker 1: on the court. So but the sacrifice, you know that
Speaker 1: for a championship. No, let let them figure that out.
Speaker 1: They ain't got nothing do with you say, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: give a bit of bad but I wouldn't give a
Speaker 1: bit of bilter back to drag a bown. I'm keeping
Speaker 1: all that. You keep it off. Please you how good
Speaker 1: Karan Butler was as a teammate. I love juice, I
Speaker 1: love I need to get know Karan was one of
Speaker 1: those personalities where you have to when he walks in,
Speaker 1: you gotta feel his mood out. I mean you gotta,
Speaker 1: you gotta really feel his mood out. Let's see what
Speaker 1: vibes on, you know, because you know, sometimes you come
Speaker 1: in real serious and he about no games. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: come in goofy. You know, Um, I didn't see anyone them.
Speaker 1: What you say, mood? Yeah? What's like? Yeah? You know
Speaker 1: he played always played hard, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: always always trying to get better, always trying to improve. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't have we didn't have a we
Speaker 1: didn't have a clash, but we had that looking at
Speaker 1: each other because you know that's good. Though he's coming in. See,
Speaker 1: he wasn't coming from my spot, you know, because he
Speaker 1: knew he had outworked me and I was gonna sitting
Speaker 1: that Jim all day. His thing was he knows a man,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm I'm number two. I'm not don't I
Speaker 1: don't need you to pass me the ball. I could
Speaker 1: do that ship myself. Your number two needs you to
Speaker 1: give him the ball, right, So he was like, hey,
Speaker 1: go ahead and slide that. Go ahead and slide that
Speaker 1: number two tag on me and he could be the
Speaker 1: number three option and that was you know, that was
Speaker 1: the battle. And you know me, you know at that time,
Speaker 1: my assist came from Antoine, didn't come from Karan, And
Speaker 1: I mean Karen was you know, uh, he was a
Speaker 1: rhythm player. So you give him. He had a fucking
Speaker 1: wide open shot. Pump fake you jump, he jumped right
Speaker 1: after you jump, hit the shot. Any even the still
Speaker 1: get the three he stopped, He's still getting three. I
Speaker 1: gets to know assists, so you know, I you know,
Speaker 1: I needed Antoine from my assis. Other than that ship
Speaker 1: had been thirty points zero assists, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: if it wasn't for Antoine. So you know my passes,
Speaker 1: you know, went to Antoine on selfishness just to get
Speaker 1: some assists. So he's gonna always have that little one
Speaker 1: point over over over over Karan, And that's kind of
Speaker 1: screwed us from being in the same category with you
Speaker 1: with it because he averaged nineteen point one. You Beati
Speaker 1: and Monte the only three trio to average twenty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and because of my selfishness of you know, icing them sometimes,
Speaker 1: he didn't get that crazy. He didn't get to have
Speaker 1: that twenty that that was my bad on that was
Speaker 1: got twenty plus points, scored a lot of bucket weird.
Speaker 1: It was weird, but he us it was one of those,
Speaker 1: you know, it was one of those those type of
Speaker 1: games that he didn't work out for it, like how
Speaker 1: did you? What do you do for this? Always in
Speaker 1: the right place for one of them, Venice beach Hooper
Speaker 1: should be like, damn that kind of nice. It's only
Speaker 1: kind of nice. And that was his game. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like every time I've seen Antoine workout just just
Speaker 1: shooting threes. Never worked on this. It was just natural.
Speaker 1: It was just it's just a natural touch floater, awkward
Speaker 1: off the wrong foot. So in your prime in in
Speaker 1: d C, you've got a lot of memorable matchups Young
Speaker 1: Lebron Ai co j Kid to name a few. Talked
Speaker 1: to us what one of of those that stand out
Speaker 1: to the most or individually? My hardest, My hardest matchup
Speaker 1: was Jay kidd Um because you gotta remember he's six
Speaker 1: four all of two twenty, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I couldn't I couldn't bully through him, and I
Speaker 1: my speed, he neutralized it because he was just as fast,
Speaker 1: but he was quick so when I got to take off,
Speaker 1: he can get to that spot before I I gained.
Speaker 1: So when I played against Jay Kid, it had to
Speaker 1: I had to really actually think, Um, I can't. I
Speaker 1: mean I I scored thirty. But it was one of
Speaker 1: those ten for twenty one type games. It was never
Speaker 1: I never just dominated, you know, m J Kid, um
Speaker 1: it was. It was he gave me a run from
Speaker 1: my money all time, um Ai lucky me. I never
Speaker 1: actually had to really guard him like that because he
Speaker 1: was he was sitting at the two. So for those
Speaker 1: years it was either uh Larry who was guarding him,
Speaker 1: or uh the sean I'm on his highlight tape. Us yep,
Speaker 1: I mean I was on the highlight tape. But I
Speaker 1: was the dude that like threw my hand in there,
Speaker 1: like I was fake helping and like drop drop, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It was. It was one of
Speaker 1: It was one of those. It was one of those
Speaker 1: because for some reason, if you had on that number three, um,
Speaker 1: like I was in games where I'm guarding him and
Speaker 1: he just and chill mode, what's up? And he looked
Speaker 1: at threes on that jersey. He took fence, He took
Speaker 1: heat forty forty and and that that that thirty seconds
Speaker 1: if he could, you know, but that was one of
Speaker 1: the hardest work hardest playing you know, players that I
Speaker 1: went against. Steve Nash was hard too, because he did
Speaker 1: a hunting picking rolls and he's coming on speed. Um,
Speaker 1: Tony Parker, um, just because you know that system that
Speaker 1: that that system was, you know it was. It was
Speaker 1: one of those like I gotta go to sleep earlier
Speaker 1: tonight because it's you're thinking, you know, defensively, they all wait,
Speaker 1: they don't make mistakes. Offensively, they're gonna they're gonna get
Speaker 1: the best shots. So you know, you're going against San Antonio,
Speaker 1: You're like, you're playing a perfect game. And what I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's it's it's a perfect game. You
Speaker 1: don't got room for, you know, failure against them, because
Speaker 1: they're gonna, they're gonna, they're gonna they don't cut your
Speaker 1: legs off every time you do something. December, oh six,
Speaker 1: Staples Center, you against Code, you dropped sixteen the overtime game.
Speaker 1: Talk to us about that. Oh that was that? You know,
Speaker 1: that was a build up. Um Before that game, I
Speaker 1: was averaging like thirty three against the Lakers. Mm hm.
Speaker 1: You know you grew up watching them that you know that,
Speaker 1: you know, like that's just that's your tung. What do
Speaker 1: they do? That team you own? And mentally like even
Speaker 1: my rookie year I played them, I had fourteen and
Speaker 1: five minutes. It was just one of those teams that
Speaker 1: I just got up for. It's just you know, um,
Speaker 1: you know watching, you know watching, you know Kobe's training,
Speaker 1: you know, um four games how he trained, um him
Speaker 1: watching me there every single time we played them. Three o'clock,
Speaker 1: I'm near, you know, waiting for you to finish, and
Speaker 1: you know I'm going, Um, so we already had our shooting.
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember sitting there and like, man that
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm giving him all the kudos. It was
Speaker 1: funny before the game, we're sitting there. He's going because
Speaker 1: it's the second time working out before the game, so
Speaker 1: he already worked out once. This is a second time
Speaker 1: working out, and I was like, man, that man just unstoppable. Man,
Speaker 1: Like I'm seeing his coaching hacking on him. He's still
Speaker 1: putting them shots up. And then you know he said it.
Speaker 1: He said it, so this jump ball started. Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna shut down Gil, I'm shut down, Gil, Smush you go.
Speaker 1: There them two plays. I don't remember anyway, Um that
Speaker 1: we were supposed to call the first two players of
Speaker 1: the game is probably for one of the bigs. We're
Speaker 1: gonna go one for Flat. If he guards me, I'm
Speaker 1: going one for Flat. That's how we go through this
Speaker 1: and go one for Flat. We go, We're just gonna
Speaker 1: shut this ship down right now. So that was already
Speaker 1: the mode of the game, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I'm already so I'm in attack mode. So I'm
Speaker 1: in attack mode. I'm like, we get it. Smush comes.
Speaker 1: I'm just going like, just okay. So when Kobe tried
Speaker 1: to get me, I'm already on fire. And that's you know,
Speaker 1: That's how it it was. It was just that's tough.
Speaker 1: Once you got gone, it was over. Once I got gone,
Speaker 1: it was it was really nothing he was gonna do, man,
Speaker 1: you know, because I mean, you know, studying a defensive player,
Speaker 1: I knew I couldn't do the same thing twice against him,
Speaker 1: you know. So if I hit him with a crossover,
Speaker 1: I knew I couldn't him with the same crossover. Come bright, now,
Speaker 1: So I always had to be you know, quick pull up.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not to play around with you. You
Speaker 1: know you're a great defensive I'm not playing around with
Speaker 1: you like I'm just gonna just get to the ams.
Speaker 1: I'm just go just straight line, straight line, shoot it up.
Speaker 1: I don't you know, I'm not gonna sit there and
Speaker 1: beat because that that just FeAs you know, a good
Speaker 1: defensive guy is gonna play to your rhythm. He's gonna
Speaker 1: he's gonna pick that ship up. And I'm sitting here
Speaker 1: like I'm just gonna go quick shot three, let's go.
Speaker 1: That's you know, and that's that's one of them nice
Speaker 1: and one of them NICs. So you get injured, Uh,
Speaker 1: you miss games due to injury. Um, in the midst
Speaker 1: of that, the gun situation happens. Uh walk us through
Speaker 1: that because that was just crazy. You come back and
Speaker 1: then you kind of make fun of the situation with
Speaker 1: the intro and he gets messy. Talk to us about
Speaker 1: the whole situation. You guys understand it better because you've
Speaker 1: you've played your teammates, you've you know, y'all, y'all have
Speaker 1: had them them them heated discussions. Right, So I'll rewind
Speaker 1: you know, this is one of my rookies, so on
Speaker 1: the on on on road trips. You know, I'll tell them, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: if y'all need food, you know, you got a little
Speaker 1: girl over y'all trying to impress. Just order the room
Speaker 1: service on my on mine, I give it because I didn't.
Speaker 1: I wasn't on the roomless. So you know, he'd call
Speaker 1: me like, yo, a room you in. He'd come up,
Speaker 1: we'll eat, you know before he goes out or whatever.
Speaker 1: Or he had just asked me the room so he
Speaker 1: could order his room you know, room service whatever, and
Speaker 1: then charge it to my room. So you know, so
Speaker 1: that was my guy. You know, we used to gamble,
Speaker 1: do it all this, so it didn't have nothing to
Speaker 1: do with us. You know, you got the checks and
Speaker 1: balances of a team, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: it was like, Yo, don't talk to your teammate like that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? That was mine, you know.
Speaker 1: But he's frustrated losing money, you know, frustrating. He's gonna
Speaker 1: you know, he's gonna say whatever you're gonna say, you know.
Speaker 1: So my thing was, yo, just you know, it's don't
Speaker 1: talk to your team like this. You know what, man,
Speaker 1: if all that he's coming at me, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So now you come to me, I'm gonna poke. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's that's all I kept doing, just poking, poking, poking,
Speaker 1: and just I ain't mean you know, you know you
Speaker 1: said you're gonna do something. I want to see you
Speaker 1: do it, you know. I mean, so no different than
Speaker 1: you know what me and young me and Nick young
Speaker 1: Do you know if NICKI younger says, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna shot the shoot at you, you know, because I'm
Speaker 1: working with his kid, you know what I mean, I'm like,
Speaker 1: let me see it, U Brena good. I want to
Speaker 1: see you do it, you know. And that's all it was.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like we was really beefing. I just you know,
Speaker 1: I'm pulling. I'm calling this bluff to you. CA call
Speaker 1: your bluff, you know what I mean. But when someone's
Speaker 1: when when the outside, here's guns in the locker room,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it no, it wasn't. It wasn't. It
Speaker 1: wasn't actually like that. It was it was like that,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't like that. It was like that, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't like how it sees. It was
Speaker 1: more he called my bluff. I wanted to see if
Speaker 1: the motherucker's gonna do huh. So what happened? This is
Speaker 1: the funny part. I put the ship on the chairs
Speaker 1: and said, oh, pick one. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It was foe. It was some utiful. It was golden.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, gold the Smith and Western five.
Speaker 1: He couldn't shoot them ships run Smith and weston five
Speaker 1: five Huntred, you know the big you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I might pick one because if I'm giving you this,
Speaker 1: imagine what I got at the crib. If this is
Speaker 1: what I'm giving you, imagine what I got at the crib.
Speaker 1: And then and then from there it was like it
Speaker 1: was like, man, I don't even I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: need none of this and threw it. But it was
Speaker 1: it was there was no bullets in it. He threw it.
Speaker 1: And that's what scared everybody because he threw a gun
Speaker 1: flying across the table. You know, um trainers, oh my god,
Speaker 1: they got guns on locker room. And then and then
Speaker 1: from there we went straight to the JACUZI was like, man,
Speaker 1: right we were, that's what. Straight to the jacuzi and um,
Speaker 1: you know, getting warm before the game, I mean before
Speaker 1: practice and he was like, man, you played too much.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, bro, you got an anger management problem. Bro,
Speaker 1: I said, you oregon over eleven hundred dollars to see
Speaker 1: you eleven hundred dollars you over here yelling at you.
Speaker 1: I said, you just you have anger management problem. Just
Speaker 1: let that ship go, because like, no, man, they justn't
Speaker 1: gonn be beating out of my money like that. I see,
Speaker 1: that's your problem. That's your problem. And we're sitting there done.
Speaker 1: You know, we're done. We go to practice and then
Speaker 1: from there, you know, team find out, you know, and
Speaker 1: we I thought the ship was over. I thought she
Speaker 1: was over. I mean they asked me like you had
Speaker 1: guns in locker room like this. This you gotta remember
Speaker 1: our locker room. We're in the locker room sometimes more
Speaker 1: than we are at home. That's this ain't no, This
Speaker 1: ain't no. Uh, this ain't no regular job. I gotta
Speaker 1: fucking coming this motherfucker anytime I want, Like I'm in
Speaker 1: here more than the security guards. Right like yo, I
Speaker 1: right now you got you can. You're gonna find Jewey
Speaker 1: and them. You're gonna find money and the money back
Speaker 1: full of money in them lockers. Because that that's that's
Speaker 1: basically safer than our house because when we go on
Speaker 1: the road ship we hit that, they can't they can't
Speaker 1: bring it to the gym. We got two the far
Speaker 1: so that's like our home. So what I leave there
Speaker 1: any job of find me for because you know, this
Speaker 1: is this is safe. This is a safe having this guns,
Speaker 1: locker of rings, like you got every extra phone, ship,
Speaker 1: you know, cons, you know whatever, you know, all in
Speaker 1: the locker room. So um So when it was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you you have guns, I was like, yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: want them. I said, I just had, you know, another child.
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to get rid of the ship. So
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, you can't bring you know,
Speaker 1: guns into the locker room since when you know, I
Speaker 1: mean that was a lot of people people, that's Peter.
Speaker 1: I mean guns have been in the locker room. That's
Speaker 1: one thing. I'm like, uh, since when we hadn't had
Speaker 1: paintball shoot outs to his mother be guns shoot outs
Speaker 1: to this. I had to negotiate, like I remember, you know,
Speaker 1: like like a player, like a player. We we got
Speaker 1: one of them team meetings and nigger one with my ass,
Speaker 1: I got the heat on me just a game. I
Speaker 1: got to back up, back up, back up. You ain't
Speaker 1: just gonna be man handling to me and this motherfucker
Speaker 1: to day, you know what I mean? Back up there
Speaker 1: with you, you just gonna be beat up. I gotta
Speaker 1: we gotta get the bar bro, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So you know, like to me, like since when all right?
Speaker 1: That will? They're gone whatever? You know, So it's over,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It's over. But but they
Speaker 1: run that course and it's it's it's good we're browing
Speaker 1: the guns. Um called them, and that that was the
Speaker 1: story that went out. I didn't care at first, because
Speaker 1: I don't care what the media say. What are you
Speaker 1: gonna do? I didn't. I didn't. I didn't when I
Speaker 1: didn't touch no gun. I wasn't near no gun. The
Speaker 1: only thing I said was, Yo, those are my guns.
Speaker 1: And I put them there, and no one's seen me
Speaker 1: put them there. I mean, sure, I'm the first person
Speaker 1: he hit six in the morning. Nobody see me do nothing,
Speaker 1: you know. But what happened was it was getting so big.
Speaker 1: I was like, and they're gonna they're gonna attack young boy.
Speaker 1: So that's when I was like, yo, I'll just take
Speaker 1: the blame for a fucking I'll take the blame for it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I'll take the hit. You know.
Speaker 1: You you save yourself, you know, and that's that's that's
Speaker 1: how we did it, you know. So that's when he
Speaker 1: was like you, I'm scared for my life. You know.
Speaker 1: They do what you gotta do, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna hold a grudge because one I shouldn't
Speaker 1: have put you in that situation anyway, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, because at the end of the day, when
Speaker 1: it's all said and done, we are still teammates and brothers.
Speaker 1: This is you know what I mean. It just got
Speaker 1: out of hand, and you know that was your rookie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just got out of hand, you know, and you
Speaker 1: can't we can't really do nothing, you know about it
Speaker 1: once somebody else you know, you know checks in on it,
Speaker 1: you know, but we know what it is. So you know,
Speaker 1: I'll take the blame and whatever that comes with mhm.
Speaker 1: And then I remember the one thing that did you
Speaker 1: get in trouble with you you got suspend it from that.
Speaker 1: You got suspend it from I don't suspend it, but
Speaker 1: that was the thing they couldn't suspend me for I
Speaker 1: done did all the research. I don't did all the research,
Speaker 1: so you couldn't suspend me. Like the most was you
Speaker 1: got seven games, right, seven? Y yep, yep, you got seven.
Speaker 1: So I was like uh. And then Telefare got three
Speaker 1: um and he got he was caught twice and I
Speaker 1: actually shot mine and got yeah, And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I said the most y'all can give me for unloaded
Speaker 1: in the locker room. No one's seen that one game.
Speaker 1: I said, that's all I'm excepted. One game. That's all
Speaker 1: I'm excepted is one game. If not, I don't know
Speaker 1: nothing about no guns. I don't know who bring him
Speaker 1: guns there. Y'all got some tape, y'all got some some fingerprints.
Speaker 1: I don't know who broke him. One game. I give
Speaker 1: you one game. That was my one game. So they
Speaker 1: decided after I did that, I shouldn't have did it, though,
Speaker 1: because you know, I basically gave him my defense. And
Speaker 1: then it was like, all right, detriment with the team.
Speaker 1: You're not mentally stable. After I did this, it's like,
Speaker 1: you're not mentally stable to be on the court. Detriment
Speaker 1: of the team. Boy, they got that detriment for the
Speaker 1: games and and this is damn This was the part
Speaker 1: that really liked because I'm like, I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: taking the fifty craziest, I'm not taking fifty games. I'm
Speaker 1: not taking fifty games. I said, I'm not taking fifty games.
Speaker 1: He was like, well, well I'm gonna taking I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go after the rest of your contract if you I
Speaker 1: just lost my Adidas deal for you know, taking a
Speaker 1: felony case fifty games, and you're gonna go after that.
Speaker 1: I'm good fifty that's right, man, I'm gonna take this fifty.
Speaker 1: Then this ship that I at that point, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna you know, this is the same guy who put
Speaker 1: me in the All Star Game. You know, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna go against the guy who can who can actually
Speaker 1: make that ship happen for real. And I mean, so
Speaker 1: I took that fifty. Shut the funk up. He said,
Speaker 1: all right, man, I see all next year then, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's that's why I didn't get suspended
Speaker 1: for the guns. You know, I took that fifty on
Speaker 1: detriment to the team. You know, let my name get
Speaker 1: out of the paper, let it die down, because I
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna let it die down because you're gonna come
Speaker 1: at me. I'm gonna keep coming the other hood. I
Speaker 1: see you around and say your uncle guild to my kids. Obviously,
Speaker 1: people don't know we have sisters that are related, you know,
Speaker 1: related that we have kids for. But how important are
Speaker 1: the kids? I see all your kids with you all
Speaker 1: the time now into sports. Talked about fatherhood, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's different because the fatherhood that we we
Speaker 1: are while we're playing, it's a lot different. It's a
Speaker 1: lot different than when we're done. You know, because when
Speaker 1: we're playing, we can go we can go weeks without
Speaker 1: actually having contact with the kids like that because we're traveling.
Speaker 1: Because we're traveling, you know, our sleep pattern versus their school.
Speaker 1: You know. So we we at the gym and you
Speaker 1: see us kissing the baby and doing it. That's the
Speaker 1: That's the first time I've seen that little motherfucker. I
Speaker 1: thought he was selling diapers, to be honest, that was
Speaker 1: was walking, you know what I mean. But that's how
Speaker 1: it is. It. Yeah, we lived together, but you know,
Speaker 1: because of the schedules were just you know, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here focus getting you know, I'm still prepared.
Speaker 1: So once it was done, once I was planning, you
Speaker 1: you know you're watching You're watching you what I mean,
Speaker 1: You're watching you, your personality and all of it. And
Speaker 1: I remember I was like, man, you know, this is
Speaker 1: what I want to do. I just want to. I
Speaker 1: want to. I want to. I want to be a father.
Speaker 1: What I mean. Like I was a basketball player, I
Speaker 1: wasn't a father, and I was a donor at that point.
Speaker 1: They lived with me, but I can say I wasn't
Speaker 1: really Yeah, I didn't know birthdays and ship like that.
Speaker 1: Who birthday? Which which which one? Oh? You your three?
Speaker 1: Good jaw roll big three? Bro? That was That was
Speaker 1: when I was done. It was like, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: locking in, you know. And then when when the breakup happens, like, no,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna push me back as an athlete, nob,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fight to be a father now, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. My dad I was raised by my dad,
Speaker 1: so that's all I know. You know, he raised me
Speaker 1: and I'm ye what I mean, And if we have
Speaker 1: to go to blows for it, that's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: But you know, when it's all, when it's all said
Speaker 1: and done, they know I'm fault to be in their life.
Speaker 1: I hear your court record is pretty impressive. The number,
Speaker 1: whether you know what, whether that ship you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, go ahead, slicing dies. I don't get if
Speaker 1: if it's if I here you go and say, Yanna,
Speaker 1: can I go to the bathroom? They deny you. I'm asking, yeah, Yanna,
Speaker 1: you know you know I'm having a problem right here,
Speaker 1: can I go to bathroom? And she said yes. I
Speaker 1: want to give him you all win for anything. I
Speaker 1: don't care, just to show you I got this ship
Speaker 1: on locked. But it seems like everything is, you know,
Speaker 1: at peace with the kids, and I think that's what's
Speaker 1: the most important. Um, I mean, how enjoyable is it that,
Speaker 1: like you said, we're moving so much while we play
Speaker 1: and now you sit back and your kids are good
Speaker 1: at it too, So how how how how important is
Speaker 1: that to see them exceeding in something you exceeded in
Speaker 1: and just kind of being there for the moment. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's just it's just it's just it's different. It's um,
Speaker 1: because of the breakup and how it went, I had
Speaker 1: to take a different approach. Um. You know, it was
Speaker 1: one of those is I need the kids to see
Speaker 1: my personality, you know what I mean. I want them
Speaker 1: to judge me for you know what they see. You know,
Speaker 1: so you know, I mean, I'm a big kid, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Me and my son, Me and
Speaker 1: my son argued like we teammates. We don't like you know.
Speaker 1: And and some remembers a parent was watching us play
Speaker 1: and watching us go at it, and I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: you let him talk to you like that. I was like,
Speaker 1: that's I said. I can't use parent trump card. That's
Speaker 1: how you lose your child, you know. You like, at
Speaker 1: this moment, we're two athletes, one older. You know, we're battling,
Speaker 1: you know whatever. Whatever he got to say, whatever, that's
Speaker 1: what we're doing. I'm gonna use my parent trump card
Speaker 1: and say, Yo, yo, you can. I said, No, that's
Speaker 1: how you That's how you stopped growth, That's how you
Speaker 1: stopped communication, you know what I mean. So I had
Speaker 1: to take a you know, a different approach on you
Speaker 1: know how I gotta you know, get there and parent
Speaker 1: and watch them grow, you know, to get their respect.
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta get the respect you gotta you
Speaker 1: gotta always keep that that that line of communication open,
Speaker 1: you know, you know you can't. You know, you can't
Speaker 1: sit there and say I'm the parent. You're gonna listen
Speaker 1: to me. Now. It don't work like it. Don't work
Speaker 1: like it. Don't work like that, even though that's how
Speaker 1: we was raised, were reraised. Don't don't lee, just don't
Speaker 1: talk back, don't talk back, don't challenge. You know, it's like, no,
Speaker 1: hold on the meat with what you got to say?
Speaker 1: You don't like my cooking? Why because the ship just sucks?
Speaker 1: Got you gonna eat this? Like? Like, what's so funny
Speaker 1: is my dad would have never I go like four
Speaker 1: different restaurant for dinner. Oh, you let them kick what
Speaker 1: they want because they are you the whole time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I go and do what I say. No, No,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to eat. Gotta attitude like you know,
Speaker 1: I ain't got time because your mama thinks she won.
Speaker 1: No you want you want this? Let go, I'm going
Speaker 1: all folding you. Goddamn it. I'm gonna have one up
Speaker 1: on something. God, Timmi. There was a story circulating with
Speaker 1: what the conversation you had about Kobe and kind of
Speaker 1: about you giving back in the basketball share that with us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was it was. It was. It was crazy because
Speaker 1: um we we you were in the same tournaments, you
Speaker 1: know what, what with your with your group. Because I
Speaker 1: remember I was coming in. It was like, oh, Matt
Speaker 1: Barns over there too, and then I was like, that's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Kobe's uh, Kobe's over there. For what what I means,
Speaker 1: like for what you know, that's how he coaches girl,
Speaker 1: coaches daughter really all right, go over there and he's
Speaker 1: sitting on the bench coaching like he's really really really
Speaker 1: taking serious. After six days a week, they were in
Speaker 1: the Try and Go and I'm like, I'm watching you
Speaker 1: watching and see like you know, if you're just sitting
Speaker 1: there because you don't want to sit in the crowd
Speaker 1: making this up talking to the girl like like oh shout,
Speaker 1: he's really coaching, right, And then you know, catch him
Speaker 1: again at the Mamba and he's like, Yo, we played
Speaker 1: against your daughter. You know, uh, you know, I want
Speaker 1: to you know, try out all right, we're practice that
Speaker 1: Orange County, Yeah, like six days and I gotta get
Speaker 1: it from here there six days a week and if
Speaker 1: she doesn't practice, she had to come off the bench
Speaker 1: to that team. I said, Now I gotta deal with
Speaker 1: this this, this attitude the whole ride there and back
Speaker 1: because she ain't starting. Uh well, we'll talk about it.
Speaker 1: Then he was like, man, he should you should be
Speaker 1: in here coaching, Like what are you doing? I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm just being a parent, you know, trying to figure
Speaker 1: this out, you know what I mean. It's like, coach,
Speaker 1: don't let your brain go the wat I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: just you know, give back. Nah. These parents, they everybody
Speaker 1: think they child is good. He said, it looks like
Speaker 1: I listened to them parents. And I was like, damn, tune.
Speaker 1: I think about it right a year ago, but you know,
Speaker 1: it goes by and he mentions it. M again, Yo,
Speaker 1: you're gonna coach, you know, I'm I'm gonna said, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about it. The kids are in Oakland right, it's
Speaker 1: the Oakland Tournament, and knee has killed the knee. My
Speaker 1: knee is killing me. I'm like I'm tossing, just tossing
Speaker 1: and turning toom doom doom. And I was like, it's
Speaker 1: like six o'clock, so I'm trying to wait, like all right,
Speaker 1: six o'clock seven, easy up. Yeah. So I called a coach.
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, man, I think I'm I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do it. I'm a junior coach of staff, you know,
Speaker 1: I want to coach. It's like, oh man, so we
Speaker 1: we're going we're going through um, we're going through the roster,
Speaker 1: like what what what? What players I want on the
Speaker 1: team where you know he you know, it's at that time,
Speaker 1: it was it was the it was twelve of you,
Speaker 1: but I was trying to put them in fourteen you right,
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting here like trying to all right, I'll
Speaker 1: take that player, that player, that player. Um. And then
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, hit me up and I said, yo,
Speaker 1: let me know how they you know, finished the game.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to couch. Got a text and it
Speaker 1: was like, uh, you know Kobe Kobe dot M all right.
Speaker 1: And then I was like thirty, like tim is a
Speaker 1: Kobe who as Kobe Bryant the funk out. I said,
Speaker 1: you don't play with don't play with stuff like that
Speaker 1: funk out of him, bro. And then you know, and
Speaker 1: then I'm like, why would he just say something like that?
Speaker 1: Like you know, I'm playing the video of why would
Speaker 1: he say that? That was go on the internet. And
Speaker 1: then I'm just sitting here like Calabasas, and like, I'm
Speaker 1: looking at Calabasas. Non in Calabasas. You don't even live
Speaker 1: in Calabasas. Why it be in Calabasas. Oh tournament they
Speaker 1: play at nine, they play at nine o'clock. So I'm
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sitting here like, oh, ship, we hold
Speaker 1: on and I'm not. I I posted, and I eraced
Speaker 1: and I posted. I said like, I think his daughter
Speaker 1: is on that plane because they have a game at
Speaker 1: nine o'clock, so she would be with him. And then
Speaker 1: everybody's don't put that negativity all like that, and then
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, shoot, you're right, and then he
Speaker 1: raised it and I took that ship off, and I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there and thinking like but wait, hold on ye
Speaker 1: and I had to call like yo, they have a
Speaker 1: game at nine, So I'm like, oh, ship, one of
Speaker 1: the girls or all of the gross is that was
Speaker 1: on the plane was you know, the kids. And then
Speaker 1: like thirty minutes later it came out and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the what the funk just happened? Like what like
Speaker 1: what happened? Because the day I say I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: this coaching thing that he talked to you into for
Speaker 1: us two years and it was that and that was
Speaker 1: the thing that was eating me up, like how why
Speaker 1: how why? And it even got deeper than that. So
Speaker 1: this is like three weeks is past and I'm we
Speaker 1: just had to play date Alanni so Alani as a
Speaker 1: play date. Um, so I picked picked the boy up
Speaker 1: and driving him and he was like, hey, um you
Speaker 1: know that's that's you know, this is where you know,
Speaker 1: we're going back to the work Kobe, you know, Kobe
Speaker 1: plane crash. I was like, for really, it was like
Speaker 1: right here. He's like, no, it's not it's not over here.
Speaker 1: It's across the other freeway. He's like, I have it
Speaker 1: peemed mm hm. So I said what I thought it
Speaker 1: was right here. He's like, no, it's it's over there.
Speaker 1: He's it's like, it's in front of the school. Find
Speaker 1: out that the mountain you remember the house on the hill,
Speaker 1: the moor way at the top, that was the right
Speaker 1: in front of that behind it that technically, yes, from front,
Speaker 1: that was the mountain that he was hitting to climb over.
Speaker 1: H And I'm sitting here like like so that hurt,
Speaker 1: Like wait a minute, hold on the mountain that I
Speaker 1: used to used to have this house up on the hill,
Speaker 1: bro that you could see fucking Texas there, but when
Speaker 1: it got foggy, I couldn't see on the front door,
Speaker 1: you know. So the fact that he was trying to
Speaker 1: climb that there was no way. So basically hits the
Speaker 1: He's climbing this mountain and fall into the lady who
Speaker 1: owns the other half of the mountain, and I'm sitting
Speaker 1: here like, yo, how why you know? It was too
Speaker 1: much connection. It was like, yo, I really gotta you know,
Speaker 1: focus and do this because there's there's something here. I
Speaker 1: don't know what it is, but something's telling me to
Speaker 1: do it in honor of them. That's spoken man. That's uh,
Speaker 1: your podcast, No chill, Gil, you kind of found your lane.
Speaker 1: What got you into that accident? I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 1: It was like it was when somebody was, you know,
Speaker 1: telling me, you know, the podcast, and you probably on
Speaker 1: your first one. You probably like, man, I don't know
Speaker 1: if that win as well as I I think, you know, like,
Speaker 1: you know, so I had the first two. I was
Speaker 1: like I just scratched that. You know, they posted them anyway,
Speaker 1: you know, but it was just to do something, you know,
Speaker 1: And then once people started, you know, like like, yo,
Speaker 1: we like what you're saying. You know, I started taking it,
Speaker 1: you know, more seriously. But it was one of those
Speaker 1: things where I was just doing it just for ships
Speaker 1: and giggles, you know, just to see what it was about.
Speaker 1: Didn't Yeah, it didn't really you know, take it serious.
Speaker 1: Didn't even think I was in the podcast. It was
Speaker 1: just like, all right, let me see what it is.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, that's cool, and that's one of
Speaker 1: the better ones out. Yeah, I think, you know, just
Speaker 1: being ex hoopers there there's no such things as a
Speaker 1: bad one, you know what I mean, because we're giving
Speaker 1: you real life experiences. You know, we're not some stat
Speaker 1: chasing you know, movecles were just gonna say something just
Speaker 1: to get your attention. You know, we're gonna give you stories.
Speaker 1: We're gonna give you life lessons. I remember, we made it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have you know, no matter how big or
Speaker 1: shorter career was, we have one to tell you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So I'm giving you. I'm giving you
Speaker 1: a voice that you didn't hear when I was playing.
Speaker 1: I mean, when I'm when we're playing, I'm I'm memorizing
Speaker 1: when I'm gonna get both teams lay hard. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: if I had a bad game but we won a
Speaker 1: great team win. You know, it's it's we're not we're
Speaker 1: not letting you. We're not letting you in because we
Speaker 1: don't know your angle. I don't know your angle. You're
Speaker 1: trying to Yeah, you're trying to push your wedge through us.
Speaker 1: Like I heard you say, didn't pass so they got there.
Speaker 1: I heard it, you know what I mean. And you
Speaker 1: were right. I'm not passing on the ball, but I
Speaker 1: heard it, you know what I mean. But it was
Speaker 1: if that's why I like, you can interview somebody and like, yo,
Speaker 1: I never heard that story before. You was never gonna
Speaker 1: get it. Your reporter, your reporter, god, your you're trying
Speaker 1: to find some angle. Like we're athletes. We're having conversations.
Speaker 1: We're not in it for the wrong reason. And and
Speaker 1: that's and that's you know, that's where you know what
Speaker 1: we're doing becomes like you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: for you guys, I can tell you right now, I
Speaker 1: argue with my team every day. I said, you see
Speaker 1: what they posted five times today? They got a team
Speaker 1: over there. You see how you see the pictures that
Speaker 1: say you see they steal shots that steal shots look
Speaker 1: better than our videos. What are we doing? I said,
Speaker 1: you know what, if you don't get this ship together,
Speaker 1: I'm done. Oh I do that ship twice a week. Bro,
Speaker 1: You're the reason I went to kids. Then I said
Speaker 1: to mother fuckers, they got a list. Everybody everybody a list, bro,
Speaker 1: We got seas indeeds, Bro, nobody want to hit this
Speaker 1: ship from these players like they got they got cold,
Speaker 1: they got all a's. Man. I was like, man, look
Speaker 1: if you can't get a list, I'm gonna talk to
Speaker 1: the kids. Bro, we can go to kid route and
Speaker 1: that's good. I ain't gotta They can keep that. They
Speaker 1: can keep, they keep the bros got them, can't. We
Speaker 1: can't compete with them, mockers just behind. That's why I
Speaker 1: went to the kids. I could compete. That's the hell
Speaker 1: of the lane though, because they got Kobe, they got
Speaker 1: who the funk got Kobe A? They're doing all that, No, brother,
Speaker 1: I got Chris Duhan coming ready. That was a hell
Speaker 1: of a thing to t happen for them, for them
Speaker 1: high school kids, because that's giving them another lane, Like
Speaker 1: they don't get a chance to say, especially with somebody
Speaker 1: like you. But they don't get a chance to talk
Speaker 1: about like stuff that they want to get off. They
Speaker 1: chant this early. Yeah, normally you gotta wait to you
Speaker 1: in college or you know what I'm saying, you're in
Speaker 1: the college. We are your approb But now they getting
Speaker 1: interviewers and be able to tell they like their stories early.
Speaker 1: Imagine imagine being a boxer, right and Mayweather? Is that
Speaker 1: the standard? He actually giving you the information to get there.
Speaker 1: That's if you don't make it on you. But that's
Speaker 1: that was the problem until we got into this game
Speaker 1: of podcasting. There was no information. We had to figure
Speaker 1: it out like we have figured out like everyone else.
Speaker 1: No one came back and said no, no, no, you
Speaker 1: can't do that. Do it this way, do it that way.
Speaker 1: Because somebody was like, Yo, why would a team want
Speaker 1: you on the team and you're bringing guns to the
Speaker 1: locker room. Because I know not to do it. I've
Speaker 1: experienced it, I've seen the outcome of it. I fell
Speaker 1: into the hole, got out of the hole. I know
Speaker 1: how to stop the next person doing it. You want
Speaker 1: someone who's been there, done that to teach the next person.
Speaker 1: I like, how am I gonna learn to be a
Speaker 1: score from a defensive player? Impossible. How how do I
Speaker 1: supposed to like learn how to be a professional star
Speaker 1: or do this? And everybody around me has never been
Speaker 1: there before, like how to like you can? I'm capped
Speaker 1: off and I and I said, that's why some of
Speaker 1: your organizations never go forward, because you guys think you're small,
Speaker 1: harder than what you really are. You're not that fucking smart.
Speaker 1: You want to pretend it's smart. But I'm not like
Speaker 1: like Kawhi Leonard Kaui. But never if I'm if I'm
Speaker 1: owning and I'm the general manager of Toronto, he ain't leaving.
Speaker 1: I can offer him something that no one's even thinking about.
Speaker 1: You got friends, hunt, They probably can't get here, you
Speaker 1: know where you live. They probably gotta child support issues.
Speaker 1: You know, they probably can't get passport. I'll do that.
Speaker 1: The fund is that ten thousand dollars, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's not like it's gonna be millions and friends,
Speaker 1: you know ten. Let me gonna head clean that up
Speaker 1: for you. Hey, I can give y'all jet jet jet flights.
Speaker 1: Y'all can come over here, fly your mama can fly
Speaker 1: out here to get him in to put him in
Speaker 1: the penhouse. You know what, I mean, get them passports
Speaker 1: and pennies on the dollars to someone you're gonna pay
Speaker 1: millions to that keeps him in Toronto. But even like now,
Speaker 1: we don't we don't need to do all that because
Speaker 1: you're thinking two hundred millions gonna save nah once once
Speaker 1: the person get a bag. They ain't really thinking about that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's like little things
Speaker 1: that you guys are so out of touch with. You
Speaker 1: guys don't and because you don't have anybody in touch
Speaker 1: to to to keep you here, because think about it,
Speaker 1: we've been players most of the time. When we're upset,
Speaker 1: it ain't over nothing big, be some little dumption, there's
Speaker 1: some little ship you know, you've done tapped into our ego.
Speaker 1: We were gonna flex on YouTube and and and I
Speaker 1: think that's the missing link, is like you don't have
Speaker 1: players coming back helping helping build like allow it. It's
Speaker 1: not really that's not all your players who along to
Speaker 1: They just don't get the opportunity that. And that's cool.
Speaker 1: You think Google don't do searches for the best text, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they do. Like if y'all can, if y'all can uh
Speaker 1: one million dollars hack my server. I gotta remember you
Speaker 1: good as an act. If you can hack my server,
Speaker 1: I gotta job for you. That that's the that's the audition.
Speaker 1: That's that's that that that's what he's looking for. You
Speaker 1: put a million dollars out there, the best hackers are
Speaker 1: going to come through, come on on the team. So
Speaker 1: you keep you keep building, and that's what they be.
Speaker 1: They don't. They don't build. Scottie Pippen best deficit. Why
Speaker 1: is he not on the team? Gary? Why these guys
Speaker 1: are not on teams? Like, like, I don't think Wall
Speaker 1: Street is gonna help you get a championship because I
Speaker 1: can tell you some of these trades y'all make not
Speaker 1: gonna happen. That ain't going Those two players clashed. Those
Speaker 1: both need to elbow. This is like you got Shock
Speaker 1: and Patrick you in. Yeah, that ship looks great on paper,
Speaker 1: but they both want that block. Whoever gets their second motherfucker,
Speaker 1: he just out of the loop because he can't play
Speaker 1: on the other side. But it looked great, It looked great.
Speaker 1: It looked great on paper, you know, but they don't.
Speaker 1: They don't know that. They're just looking at some ships
Speaker 1: say oh yeah, we need to shoot thirty thirty threes,
Speaker 1: thirty thirty threes, you know, you know more than anybody
Speaker 1: thirty three. Who I mean, there's only two monthfuers don't
Speaker 1: here that can shoot three. Who's gonna take the other
Speaker 1: eighteen of them ships? You know what I mean? But
Speaker 1: but that's someone who's just yeah, they're just looking at
Speaker 1: stat sheets, looking at stat sheets, looking at the algorithm,
Speaker 1: you know, and that and and they say this is
Speaker 1: the way the game needs to be. It's like, you
Speaker 1: know that that team needs to be that. You need
Speaker 1: to drive. You you need to drive and get to
Speaker 1: the bucket, get some free throws, get a little mid range.
Speaker 1: That's where you capitalize. You you take ten three. You
Speaker 1: got some of these guys who are shooting as many
Speaker 1: shots as fucking realen, No, they can't shoot no, none, none,
Speaker 1: you know, But that's the way the game's going. Quick
Speaker 1: hitters coming down the stretch of favorite teammate, probably Larry
Speaker 1: Hughes Jamison, you know you plus four going to the
Speaker 1: black Top and play who are you bringing you? Plus four?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring going to black Top black Top? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go to Sean Stephenson, Antoine Jamison, Um,
Speaker 1: Karen got you and and Brendon, Oh yeah, because I
Speaker 1: aint gotta pass the ball? Should I haven't Twitter nine
Speaker 1: the get rid of them. I know what I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I know what I'm gonna do. I get this ship,
Speaker 1: that ship, get all the glass. Big fella. Top three
Speaker 1: people you love to see that. You knew it was
Speaker 1: gonna guard you. I knew it's gonna guard me. Uh,
Speaker 1: Kobe usually don't switched off and put some big somebody bigger.
Speaker 1: So you know, like Bruce Bowing. I love you know
Speaker 1: when Bruce born, because he was gonna bring the best
Speaker 1: outre He hacks, he hacks. He was good. He was good,
Speaker 1: garden two threes, not good coming up pick rolls and
Speaker 1: going down here. He wasn't good at it. It wasn't
Speaker 1: that wasn't his sting um and probably Larry Hughes Top
Speaker 1: five scores of all time pier scores yours the top
Speaker 1: five scores all time. Um, I gotta be biased because
Speaker 1: I can only go as far as um when I
Speaker 1: watched the game, you know, So mine's gonna be from
Speaker 1: the window. You know, I can't go backwards. I can't
Speaker 1: go to the mold motherfucker's that. There was seven teams
Speaker 1: and there's plenty of Yeah, I don't I don't even
Speaker 1: want to schedule du two black people. Holy, I'll say
Speaker 1: Jordan Kobe, just pure scourse, Jordan Kobe, Kevin Durant A. Yes,
Speaker 1: of course, I can't sleep on Mellow. Yeah, it's it's hard.
Speaker 1: It's it's hard. It's hard to sleep on Mellow. You know.
Speaker 1: Joe Johnson has to me. But I you know, like
Speaker 1: he was a score. But you know, I gotta go.
Speaker 1: I gotta go with Mellow. Find a question, who do
Speaker 1: you want to see on All the Smoke and whoever?
Speaker 1: Whatever you answer is, you gotta help us, get us
Speaker 1: and get them on the show. Who you want to
Speaker 1: see on the show. You don't have everybody talking at
Speaker 1: your ace. We don't had your ace, Kyrie Swaggy pea, Yeah,
Speaker 1: y'all can have swagg back. Come on man, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all.
Speaker 1: A plus. I look at that because d minus with me. Brother,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's my guess. That's that's my man. Did
Speaker 1: this rotman? Oh the worm and that'll be dope, that'll
Speaker 1: be dope that I like that. Oh, gil Man, we
Speaker 1: appreciate your tongue. Thank you very much. That's a rap
Speaker 1: with our guest, Gilbert Arenas. You can cast on our
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