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Speaker 1: Yea. Welcome to the Bloomberg Surveillance Podcast. I'm Tom Keane

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Speaker 1: is Home on arranged John Sylvia with us from Wells Fargo,

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Speaker 1: and we're thrilled not to bring them in right now. John.

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Speaker 1: It's not that there's a complacency right now, but we're

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Speaker 1: all enjoying three and a half four whatever the percent

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Speaker 1: g d P is nominal GDP of six make America

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Speaker 1: great again? Seven percent nominal GDP. What's the Wells Fargo

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Speaker 1: forecast for the next six or eight quarters? What's the

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Speaker 1: glide path of economic growth? The live plats for us

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Speaker 1: are slower. I agree with you very much on the

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Speaker 1: complacency of you know, the foreign four percent plus that

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Speaker 1: we're going to see on Friday, the three percent we've

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Speaker 1: probably seen in a third quarter. But to sustain that

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Speaker 1: over time, you still need the gains and productivity which

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Speaker 1: are yet to appear, and you still need significant improvement

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Speaker 1: in labor force participation rates. What we are seeing some

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Speaker 1: improvement there, but again to sustain that three percent growth. Um,

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Speaker 1: I think the market is a little bit well, I

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Speaker 1: think the market a general is a little bit too

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Speaker 1: complacent given what I see as conflicts. And you've already

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Speaker 1: talked about this this morning, Tom Oil with respect Iran,

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Speaker 1: the trade tensions that go on, and then the coming

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Speaker 1: shrinking of the Fed's balanche and raising short term interest rates,

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Speaker 1: John Sylvia. On Friday, while other people may have been

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Speaker 1: looking in one direction, we were looking at a report

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Speaker 1: from the Congressional Budget Office, this is the nonpartisan CBO.

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Speaker 1: They said that new legislation enacted since the release of

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Speaker 1: the February budget would add more than a hundred billion

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Speaker 1: dollars to the deficit. Now this would push it over

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Speaker 1: a trillion dollars. Can you connect economic performance as measured

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Speaker 1: about what will happen to the deficit if we don't

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Speaker 1: reach that four Well, I mean that that is Indeed,

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Speaker 1: what the CBO was saying is that the deficit rises.

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Speaker 1: Now that surprises people in the sense that, well, wait

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Speaker 1: a minute, we're seeing a better economy. Shouldn't we have

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Speaker 1: better tax revenue as well in part that that certainly

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Speaker 1: it does suggest two things. Interest rates are rising, so

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Speaker 1: the interest expense that goes along with all that federal

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Speaker 1: debt um is going to continue to increase. In second,

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Speaker 1: for CBO, their long run economic objections, uh talk about

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Speaker 1: certainly not three. So those two problems, the interest expense

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Speaker 1: What do real rates do within this dynamic? I mean,

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Speaker 1: if we've got nominal GDP squeezing down and you're looking

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Speaker 1: what do real rates do? And then within that, John

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Speaker 1: your expertise at real wages, Well, again, a real rates rise. Again,

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Speaker 1: the cost of capital starts to rise. It sets a

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Speaker 1: higher barrier for business investment going forward. And it's not

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Speaker 1: you just not you know, going to be the end

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Speaker 1: it's going to put a higher bar for anybody trying

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Speaker 1: once again Tom, when you're talking about a slower nominal

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Speaker 1: to labor and capital going forward, John, I want to

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Speaker 1: way the government actually puts its budget together. There's the

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Speaker 1: mandatory spending and then there's the discretionary spending. Just as

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Speaker 1: happening in more categories because of the deficits. Well, I

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Speaker 1: Going back to Tom's first point. Uh, yeah, you can

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Speaker 1: What have we learned from the Tax Act? I mean,

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Speaker 1: to your own statement, Tom, if you're not sure about

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Speaker 1: and that's what the Tax Act was supposed to do.

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Speaker 1: little bit short at three percent time, John Sylvia, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much. John. I'm gonna say this folks for

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Speaker 1: the first time today, but I'll repeat it throughout the

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Speaker 1: day tonight, PBS American Masters, Ted Williams. I believe Pim Fox,

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Speaker 1: John Sylvia, we'll be tuning into that. I think somehow

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Speaker 1: know that to be in case. John Sylvia, fall River

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Speaker 1: and Wells Fargo with us today. Goldner Montevali joined us

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Speaker 1: reporting for Bloomberg from Tehran. Goldner, let me start with

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Speaker 1: you as well. Who has Mr Rohani's back? Who has

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Speaker 1: the tweeter President Trump came hours after President Rohani warned

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Speaker 1: save the nuclear deal. That remains the big question mark here.

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Speaker 1: the moral high ground in its next response to this tweet, well,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for your importing from Tehran in

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Speaker 1: Banking PM. There's Keith Briette in Woods, which is out

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Speaker 1: there far more than just sell side and analysis. They

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Speaker 1: were acclaimed for decades ago. Uh, it is about transactions,

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Speaker 1: about mergers, about acquisitions, combinations as well. And that's a

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Speaker 1: good introduction for the gentleman from Middlebury. Yes, indeed, well,

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Speaker 1: let's bring in Tom Michel. He is, of course with

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Speaker 1: the KBW, a Stephal company. He is well, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: Just a couple of questions having to do with that

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Speaker 1: they need to grow now is organically. And what we're

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Speaker 1: big banks is their profitability is ramping. And it's ramping

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Speaker 1: because a tax reform. It's ramping because they've really put

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Speaker 1: um the crisis behind them. Uh. The environment is a

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Speaker 1: good environment. Uh. The in other words, the economy is

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Speaker 1: doing well, and we're seeing them investing a lot into

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Speaker 1: tuck in acquisitions as well of non bank type not

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Speaker 1: not non depositories, as well as making acquisitions and investments

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Speaker 1: in fintech and digital banking. I think digital banking is

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Speaker 1: Bank of America to make an acquisition similar to a

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Speaker 1: square of Venmo. You know, I'm not aware of their

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Speaker 1: specific acquisition plans, but my sense is that they have

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Speaker 1: the wherewithal to certainly do something like that. UM. You

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Speaker 1: UM Bank America, I believe, is one of the seven

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Speaker 1: leads me to believe that that's probably not a likely

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Speaker 1: This is what's going on in America. You're either gonna

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Speaker 1: out of business. Lan going Thank you so much. I

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Speaker 1: love Capitalism an American Story, Mr Landing. It is a

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Speaker 1: spirited book. It is very conversational and it's a good

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Speaker 1: quick read for those that want to get the braining

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Speaker 1: gear really pim and within the history there that Mr

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Speaker 1: Lang talked about. Thanks for listening to the Bloomberg Surveillance podcast.

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