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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon, and this episode number seventy four

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Speaker 1: tay the show. We're joined by Jeff Lindsay and we're

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Speaker 1: diving into the circumstances and tactics that have led Jeff

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Speaker 1: and his dad to consistently bag big mature bucks. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Sick of Gear. It's great to be here recording

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Speaker 1: the podcast again after taking a little time off chasing Elk.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know about you, guys, but I am

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Speaker 1: really fired up about the white tail season that's now

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Speaker 1: upon us. And today we're going to be diving deep

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Speaker 1: into the world of one very successful white tail hunter,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Lindsay. And if you've watched any of the shows

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Speaker 1: or DVDs from the Dreary Outdoors over recent years, you've

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Speaker 1: likely seen Jeff or his dad, David killing big buck

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Speaker 1: after big buck after big buck. As these guys are

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Speaker 1: just consistently putting some absolute giants on the ground. In fact,

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Speaker 1: David Lindsay killed a buck a few years ago that

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Speaker 1: at the time was the largest free range white tail

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Speaker 1: ever killed on film. So, needless to say, Jeff and

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Speaker 1: David are doing something right. So with all that being

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Speaker 1: the case, you know, the plan today is to chat

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Speaker 1: with Jeff all about how him and his dad have

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Speaker 1: been able to have this kind of success. And I'm

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Speaker 1: really interested in trigued to hear about that. But before

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Speaker 1: we get into it, we me and Dan do have

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Speaker 1: some updates to share. And I don't know about you, Dan,

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Speaker 1: but are you you as pumped as I am to

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Speaker 1: kick off the white tail season? Yeah, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited, but because there's so many other things going

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Speaker 1: on in my life, it's just it's not as intense

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Speaker 1: this year as any other years, if that makes sense,

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Speaker 1: Just like my mind is other places. Yeah. So, the

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Speaker 1: the knitting business is going that well for you, the knitting,

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Speaker 1: basket weaving, you know, it's really taken off. Probably gonna

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Speaker 1: miss the rut this year because of it. You gotta

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Speaker 1: knit those little booties. Yep. It's about sacrifices, you know

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Speaker 1: what really is going on? Just kids stuff, just kids,

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Speaker 1: work and life, you know. So it's just, uh, it's nuts.

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Speaker 1: It's my My life is crazy. I you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: ten years ago, if you said, dude, you had four

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Speaker 1: people in your bed last night, that's pretty sweet, you know.

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Speaker 1: Like now last night I had four people in my

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Speaker 1: And one of those people is like not even a

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Speaker 1: is just a stud. Like he's gonna probably be six

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Speaker 1: four probably, you know, he's probably gonna be six four,

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Speaker 1: just really huge and big. But my luck, he'll be

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Speaker 1: like instead of being an awesome football player, he'll be

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Speaker 1: awesome at dungeons and dragons, magic to gathering. Sounds like

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Speaker 1: me and him would have got along. Well are you serious?

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Speaker 1: And now I'm kidding okay, Although although I was a

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Speaker 1: But I do feel like, like looking at mac and

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Speaker 1: he's gonna have me beat before before long. At all,

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Speaker 1: So man, I'll tell you what. You may not be

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Speaker 1: Last night, Monday night, cold front hit overnight. And just

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Speaker 1: before that cold front hit, I was kind of watching

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Speaker 1: one of my food plots on one of these properties

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Speaker 1: And uh, that cold front hit and it's just gonna

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Speaker 1: conditions look really good. Um the moon, the moon position

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Speaker 1: That's good. Yeah, I tell you what, Man. I checked

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Speaker 1: Do you do you have that? Well? Two things, first,

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Speaker 1: for permission. Absolutely. Now did you check your trail camera

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Speaker 1: and I'm really excited about that. That's like that was

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Speaker 1: gotta get here. But if I go in with this wind,

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Speaker 1: it's going to ruin everything. So I went nast and

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Speaker 1: getting the property itself to hunt. Yeah, that's sweet, man,

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Speaker 1: by our podcast next week, we're gonna have some good stories. Though. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm jacked. All I want to do is kill kill

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Speaker 1: I didn't kill a doe the year before. Um just

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Speaker 1: Sewn over to Heartland bow Hunter. They are going to

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00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 1: be the guys, uh, you know, producing it, putting it

428
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 1: all together. And so I've been friends of those guys

429
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,399
Speaker 1: for a long time, so this was an opportunity to

430
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 1: work together and we've done some things so far, so

431
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 1: we're pretty pumped about it. That's sweet. Well, I based

432
00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 1: on I know what they've done the past, and then

433
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 1: based on the hunting and deer I know you guys

434
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 1: are having over there, it sounds like it's gonna be

435
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 1: a slam dunk. Yeah, you know, hopefully it's it's the

436
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: best of both worlds, you know, giant deer, you know,

437
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,199
Speaker 1: produce with that cinematography. You know, that's that's what we're

438
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 1: shooting for. That's our goal. So it's what I've wanted

439
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 1: to do for a long time. And uh, you know,

440
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 1: we think we got some some pretty cool ways to

441
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,640
Speaker 1: share our adventures, you know, through television and and keep

442
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 1: the audience on the edge of their seat. Very cool. Well,

443
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: I know me and Dan will be excited to see that,

444
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 1: and it's a good kickoff to you know, what we

445
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about with you. You mentioned the fact

446
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: that you guys have built a white tail empire over

447
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 1: there in Iowa, and you've got some giant deer and

448
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: certainly from what I've seen online and from what I've

449
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 1: seen on you know, the different things you've done the dreuries,

450
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: it's definitely the case. So you know, we're hoping to

451
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: ask a whole bunch of different questions about, you know,

452
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 1: what has led your success out there and some of

453
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 1: the things you've learned along the way, but at a

454
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: high level kick things off. You know, you and your

455
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,679
Speaker 1: dad have killed a ridiculous number of big white tail bucks.

456
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: So I'm curious. You know, at a high level, what

457
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 1: do you think is the single greatest factor maybe that

458
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: has contributed to this success. If you had to just

459
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: pick the most important, it would just be letting deer

460
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: reach your full potential. You know, a lot of people,

461
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: you know, that's the age old debate whether deer is

462
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 1: fully mature at four or five, six or whatever. But

463
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 1: on our farm, you know, we try to let them

464
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: get as big as we think they're ever gonna get.

465
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: And and that's not easy. It's been tough, you know,

466
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: I know I said whitetail empire, but that's a meaning

467
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 1: just a lot of deer, you know. Unfortunately we don't

468
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: have the big deer like we want to. Yeah, yeah,

469
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: definitely getting that age on it's pretty important, huh. It is, man,

470
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 1: That's the number one factor is you know, laying off

471
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: the young bucks and you know, trying to We've found

472
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: out our magic number in Iowa is six or seven

473
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 1: years old. You know, six is really tough year to

474
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: kill the bucks. But if a deer can make it

475
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,400
Speaker 1: to seven, we feel like that is as big as

476
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: as racks gonna get. And you know, at seven, they

477
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: don't want to say they've become a little easier to kill.

478
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: But five and six are are really tough. But it's

479
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: seven years old on our farm in our area seems

480
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 1: to be the magic number. Yeah. Now, you know, I

481
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 1: think it's safe to say that you would agree with

482
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: this that the situation you have there in Iowa and

483
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: this great set of properties is unique compared to some

484
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: people's um you know, maybe guys in Michigan or New

485
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: York or Georgia where they're on small piece or really

486
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: heavily pressured ground. So so I think a big part

487
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:04,719
Speaker 1: of probably why you're able to get some of these

488
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: bucks up to six or seven year results that you

489
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: have a great property. Can you share with us a

490
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: little bit about what you think makes a property so great?

491
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 1: For dear, you know, can you share us what your

492
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: property holds? You know, what are those factors that make

493
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: us so great? Yeah? Our farm um is almost a

494
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: double edged sword. It has a lot of timber which

495
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 1: holds a lot of deer, but it makes it very

496
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: tough to hunt. You know, late season it's really good

497
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 1: because they'll come out in the fields, will come out,

498
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: you know, the standing beings, standing corn, whatever it may be.

499
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: But you know, as far as neighbors. You know, that's

500
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: another big factor that's helped us a lot. But you know,

501
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: you gotta be where the big bucks are, and southern

502
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 1: Iowa has you know, a higher average of big bucks

503
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: than most other places. So that's one of the things

504
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: we're blessed with. But you know, cover timber, that's what

505
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: those Midwest dear like. But like I say that, some

506
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: of the other farms I've looked at in the past

507
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: few years and kind of tried to get away from

508
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: that timber because it's so tough to hunt. You know,

509
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 1: I almost prefer hunting the more open ground, but you

510
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: just don't hold the deer like you do on the

511
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: on the timbered farms. Yeah, So with your farm, do

512
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: you do anything to improve the cover or timber or

513
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: is it just kind of natural what's there? Yeah, we

514
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: do a lot of timber stand improvement. We have a

515
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: lot of switch grass. You know. We try to you know,

516
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 1: have every part of our single part of our property,

517
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: you know, working for us, whether it's the switch grass,

518
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: whether you know we're going in we're cutting timber, whether

519
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: we're leaving some standing corns, some standing beans. We don't

520
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 1: we try to have any sections of our farm that

521
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: we consider just you know, zero habitat or or nothing

522
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: really going on for our deer, you know, whether it's

523
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: you know, going in and doing a prescribed burn or

524
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: or going in and you know, mowing some clover, whatever

525
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: it may be. We just try to keep the farm

526
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: always turning over, having different habitat you know, uh, different

527
00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: levels of growth and underbrush stuff like that. It's just

528
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 1: a working farm. Do you guys have like egg in

529
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: livestock as well? Yes, we just have agg. Our neighbors

530
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: have some livestock, but we just have agg. You know,

531
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: we we lease a lot out to farmers, we farm

532
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: some ourselves. We have some hay ground um, and then

533
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: we have a fair amount that we leave for deer,

534
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: and of course we have the you know, the timber

535
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: operation as well. Nice. So what about food, you know,

536
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: it sounds like you're doing a lot of work and

537
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: your cover and stuff, what kind of I mean, what's

538
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: your mix between keeping ground in agg land you know,

539
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: for commercial versus food plots and stuff. How are you

540
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 1: diving that up and what are you focusing from a

541
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: food plot standpoint on? Well, last year it's kind of

542
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: a transition stage for our farm. We had a lot

543
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: of CRP ground that was coming out of CRP, so

544
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: we had to go in there, you know, mow it down,

545
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: take out some cedars, and either re enroll it CRP

546
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: or turn into farm around. So we turned two or

547
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: three acres back into farm around. So we've got more

548
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: farm around right now than we've ever had on our

549
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: farm and the you know, the eight years that we've owned.

550
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: So in turn, we almost feel like we have more

551
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: deer than we ever have. But you know, the farm

552
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: ground we only let the farmers farm, you know, kind

553
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: of our outskirts. We'd like to keep our core with

554
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: standing corn, standing standing beings because I feel that you

555
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: can never have enough of that. Just feel like the

556
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 1: more food, the more deer you're gonna have. So um,

557
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: we're we try to work with our farmers. Are farmers

558
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: are are really good friends of ours. And if we

559
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: go in and you know, our food plots and the

560
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: center of our farm are getting hammered and we need

561
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: to leave some more food on the outskirts, you know,

562
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: we'll work out to deal with them, you know, one

563
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: way or another, and and and try to keep it

564
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: to get our deer at least enough food through you know,

565
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: the spring of the following year, definitely, and that's always

566
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: a goal, but that very rarely happens. It's nice to

567
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: have that type of situation where they're you know, willing

568
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: to work with you in that way. That's great, it

569
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: is they are. We've got some really good farmers and

570
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: um we work with a couple of different ones and

571
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: you know that that's a lot of reasons for our

572
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: success is being able to, you know, deal with guys

573
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: who kind of understand what we're what we're coming you know,

574
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: on the same page, what we're coming from. What's your

575
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: what's your approach to pressure on your farm? And what

576
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: I mean by that is are there certain areas you

577
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: stay out of or you just because for example, I

578
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: hunt on a on a farm, it's there's agg there's livestock,

579
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: and there's people on it all the time, and the

580
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: deer feel comfortable with that. What's your approached on your farm? Yeah,

581
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: I've heard that a lot. You know, a working farm

582
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: you can get away with a lot more. You know,

583
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: you can whether you're going in and riding your truck around,

584
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: riding the tractor around. I think on working farms in

585
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: certain areas you can you can get away with a lot.

586
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: But we have what we call, you know, core areas

587
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,959
Speaker 1: sanctuaries on our farm that we will never go in.

588
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: We will go in shed hunt and that will be

589
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: the only time of the year that we step putting

590
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: those certain areas. And they're they're not always huge. You know,

591
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: we have a five acre sanctuary here across the road.

592
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: We may have you know, a hundred acre sanctuary. Just

593
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: just different things. But you know, pressure, that is one

594
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: of our biggest um, you know, pet peeves that we

595
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: really try to try to monitor. You know, even the

596
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: wind has to be right for me just to go

597
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: check a camera, you know, or to to go in

598
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: and and and check on a food plot. We're always

599
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: thinking about pressure with costs. You know. It's just one thing,

600
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: big white tails when I put up with in our area,

601
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, I think in a lot of places.

602
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: And and and here's the question I've got because I'm curious

603
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: given your circumstances, which you know, like in my case

604
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: where I'm hunting a ninety acre farm in Michigan that's

605
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: surrounded by you know, five to ten hunters on every

606
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: property around me. You know, there's so many other people

607
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: out there that I've become obsessive about, you know, only hunting,

608
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: only putting pressure on this deer when everything has just

609
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: lined up perfect. Because if I go in there once

610
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: and I don't have everything stacked in my favor, I'm

611
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: probably gonna educate deer and then not have another chance.

612
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: So because of that, you know, I might be hunting

613
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: a lot less, just waiting for those perfect times to strike.

614
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: You know, do you guys have to obsess to that degree?

615
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: Or since you've got a larger property maybe or since

616
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: you have control of the pressure, can you get away

617
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: with with more hunts because of that? You can when

618
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: you have you know, a few different farms for a

619
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: few different wind directions. But I'm of your same philosophy,

620
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: even though we do have a couple of more farms

621
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: that we have access to. If it's not you know,

622
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: the ideal conditions, you're not gonna get perfect conditions every night.

623
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: But if it's not you know, ideal conditions, we're not

624
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: going in one of our best spots. We'll go somewhere

625
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: on the outskirt shoot some does you know, now that

626
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: I got a kid, maybe I'll stay at home and uh,

627
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: you know, play with him that night or something. So

628
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: the older I get, uh, I still I feel like

629
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: I still kill in the same amount of deer, but

630
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: hunt less, if that makes sense. I kind of picked

631
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: my battles wisely. Definitely hunting smarter instead of harder. Maybe right, Yeah,

632
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: and that's it takes a long time to learn that. Yeah,

633
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: definitely has been one of my biggest kind of revel

634
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: revelations over recent years is figuring that out. Um something

635
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: you mentioned, you know, those those perfect conditions a person

636
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: that me and Dan and and a lot of our

637
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: listeners have learned a lot about those perfect or correct conditions.

638
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: So we've learned a lot from his Marjuri, who, like

639
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: you said, is is one of your neighbors. Um, what

640
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: has heat What have you learned from him? I mean

641
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: working with him and living close to him, What have

642
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: you learned from him in regards to, you know, timing

643
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: these hunts and figuring out the right times the hunt. Well,

644
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: Mark's mad scientist, you know, I mean the stuff he

645
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: comes up with and how it correlates to deer movement

646
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: is stuff that nobody else in the world could come

647
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: up with. I've learned a ton from him, you know.

648
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: The good thing about living close to Mark is you know,

649
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: during deer season, we may go to dinner once or

650
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: twice a week. You know, we're texting almost every day,

651
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: and he just comes up with these, you know, these

652
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: off the wall things like you know he's really big

653
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: on for instance, uh, you know, after a cold front,

654
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: the first south wind. I mean, how in the world

655
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: do you figure that out over time unless you're keeping

656
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: the best diary, the best cutting journal a man's ever seen,

657
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: you know, and learn that this south wind the deer,

658
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: you know, off the art. So I mean, little things

659
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: like that that I probably wouldn't have figured out out

660
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: my entire lifetime, just the stuff he comes up with.

661
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: At first, I'm like what, And then once I start

662
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: paying attention to it, I'm like, golly, this guy, you

663
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: know he is he has a talent. Yeah, he's he's

664
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: got an incredible wealth of knowledge. Um, that man. We

665
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: we had a podcast with him a couple of months

666
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: ago where he shared just such a boatload of information.

667
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: I still go back and listen to it and take

668
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: notes again, because there's there's a lot to learn from

669
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: that guy. Oh it is man, And you know, he's

670
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: just one of those has a wealth knowledge, and you know,

671
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: every conversation we have it seems like, you know, I'm

672
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: trying to absorb all I can because he lives with

673
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: a deer. You know, he's you know, most people are

674
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: you know, part time deer hunters hunting full time deer.

675
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: But you know, I think Mark Drury is closer to

676
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: the full time deer hunter hunting full time deer. You know.

677
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,959
Speaker 1: So he's yeah, he's got it figured out. Yeah, so

678
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: he I just saw online that last week. I think

679
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: he killed one of the bucks he's been after for

680
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: a little while. Did you did you get to see

681
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 1: that deer over there? I think, yeah, I've seen that.

682
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: I think he shot that one in Missouri. I was

683
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 1: a giant buck, you know. I mean didn't take him long.

684
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know the whole story on

685
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: that deer, but I think it it had read he

686
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,959
Speaker 1: had seen him like two years ago or a year ago,

687
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: and it came in that certain food plot. So he

688
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: just went on hunch without any pictures this year and

689
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: killed him. And I mean that's that's having faith right there. Yeah, yeah,

690
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: it is. He's he's got figured out so interesting stuff,

691
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Yeah, it is He's one of those

692
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: that you know, Mark doesn't doesn't write a lot of articles,

693
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: but he shares it more, you know, live and and

694
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: through his television and now through thirteen and you know,

695
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: thirteen is one of the best shows ever created for

696
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 1: white tail hunting. And I think that's why it's so popular,

697
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: is because people are getting to see Mark and Terry Drewy,

698
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: you know, killing deer, but but better better yet telling,

699
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, telling the world their secrets per se. Yeah.

700
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: How long have you been in the Midwest? About eleven years?

701
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: Eleven years? So what what's the difference? I guess is

702
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 1: there is there a difference because we don't talk about

703
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: the South and hunting the South a lot on this show. Um,

704
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: but is there is there a difference between hunting the

705
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 1: Midwest and the South. Yeah, it's huge. You know. Growing up,

706
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: I have and I still have, I had the every

707
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: North American whitetail cover, I mean magazine, you know, since

708
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: I was old enough to read. And I would always

709
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: study those books, you know, inside corners, super saddles, funnels,

710
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. And it I just couldn't you

711
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: can't relate that to you know, a hundred acres of

712
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: flatland and pine trees or hundred acres of hardwoods. It's

713
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: just you know, no topo, no structure, no farmland, no nothing.

714
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: So I mean it is a huge difference, it really is.

715
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: And so when I got to the Midwest, all these articles,

716
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: you know, growing up reading Bill Winkey, you know, dick

717
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: Out whoever it was, you know, all this stuff started

718
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 1: making sense, and um, kind of can put the pieces

719
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: together a little more. Yeah. So so I think you

720
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: have been going back down south still. I think I

721
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: remember seeing a number of hunts of you guys still

722
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: go down there and hunt. Sometimes what have you found?

723
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: Does work down there? Given the fact it's a lot

724
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: different than Midwest. Down there, you just gotta get him

725
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: to move, you know. I mean it's you know, I

726
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: hunted in Georgia last year probably I don't know exactly

727
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: how many days, probably fifteen twenty days. Um, And you know,

728
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: I think I've seen one deer the entire year that

729
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: was you know, five or better. It was just they

730
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: just don't move. They get a lot of pressure. And

731
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: we have a we have a pretty good farm. We

732
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 1: hunt down there, but it's just bread and those deer,

733
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: you know, from from the beginning of time or whenever

734
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: it was. I guess just all the heavy hunt pressure

735
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 1: they can get, they just they don't move in daylight.

736
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you can get a good cold front, the

737
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 1: conditions be perfect, you know, maybe you see one right

738
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: at dark. But it's it's tough. It's really tough. We

739
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: got to hunt there um about two weeks ago on

740
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: opening weekend and we actually seen some some shooters. It

741
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: was it was the coolest it's ever been that I

742
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: could remember down there in September and we've seen you know,

743
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: five or six shooters opening weekends. So it has to

744
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: be ideal scenario and you have to have a really

745
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: solid food stores. You have to have all the stars

746
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: lined up just to see one. Then once you see

747
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: and then you gotta figure out how to kill him.

748
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's a challenge. Yeah, I guess that's

749
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: part of what we love about deer hunting, though I

750
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: suppose the fact that it is such a challenge and

751
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: when it does finally come together, it's magic. It is

752
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: that's why you do it, that moment of truth. So

753
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: uh So, with a lot of guys, you know, over

754
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: the past two weeks, their seasons have been opening, and

755
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: and yours and mine and some of us and some

756
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: of these other states open October one. We're opening, you know,

757
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: just in a couple of days. With that early season

758
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: time frame, you know, what are the main things that

759
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: your folks to sing on from a hunting tactic standpoint.

760
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: One of those main things that you're looking to do

761
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: in this early season to try to get a stab

762
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: at one, Well, it's all about the weather early season.

763
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 1: You know, if you get the right weather, I think

764
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,959
Speaker 1: the first ten days of October can be the best

765
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: time to see or kill a mature buck in Iowa.

766
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: But you've gotta have the weather. You gotta have that

767
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: front that we're you know, we're about to have. And

768
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: you know what I try to do is just look

769
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: at where I've been getting the summer pictures of that

770
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: those certain deer, and I just figure, for the most part,

771
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: nine percent of those deer is still going to be

772
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: in that location. We have some deer that shed velvet,

773
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: we never see them again. Or we have some deer

774
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: that once they shed velvet, they move over on to

775
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: our farms. But you know that's why I run my cameras.

776
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: We'll start putting them out July four, run them off.

777
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: I'll try to check them every week or two. And

778
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: I'm not off all summer. I'm sorry. And then once

779
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: I do that, I wait on the right cold front,

780
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: the right wind and try to move in for the kill.

781
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: But it's tough because you know, you don't get that

782
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: perfect weather. But you know, a deer is living in

783
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: a certain food plot and you want to go in there,

784
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: but you gotta wait on that weather front. And if

785
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: we and I thought we talked about this in the

786
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: earlier in the conversation, but until you you get the

787
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: right scenario, we don't. We don't move in for the kill. Yeah,

788
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: So we talked about weather like temperature stuff, um, and

789
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: I know we talked a little bit about how Mark

790
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: has shared a lot of ideas Mark Dreary, But is

791
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: do you pay much attension to stuff like the moon

792
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: or barometric pressure some of these other things, like we're

793
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: like any of those? Yeah, baro metric pressure for sure,

794
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: you know, I've I've learned a little bit of that

795
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: from Mark. You know, rise and fall and whatever it

796
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: may be, as long as it's moving. I like to hunt,

797
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: you know, I like to hunt. I like about a

798
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: five to ten mile per hour wind um. The moon,

799
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: I've you know, I like a rising moon just because

800
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: they seem to get up off their feet a little

801
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 1: earlier or get up on their feet a little earlier

802
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: in the afternoons. Um. But besides that, I don't put

803
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: a lot of stock into the moon just because I've

804
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: I've kept journals on that for the you know, the

805
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: past twenty years, and I can't, you know, get a

806
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: good enough pattern to really believe in. I don't know.

807
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: Some people live and die by the moon, but to me,

808
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: you know, I'm more of the weather guy, always have been. Yeah,

809
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: it definitely seems that that's the the ultimate factor, you know,

810
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: that that temperature change and some of those things. That

811
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: seems to be, at least from what I've seen in

812
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: a lot of the guys I've talked to, it seems

813
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: like that's the greatest influencer. And then some of these

814
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: things like pressure or moon kind of can enhance it

815
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: a little bit maybe, um, but it's a it's a

816
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: much smaller factor I think, compared to something like temp

817
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: It is it is in the Midwest, and I know,

818
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: you know, trophy or you know, deer hunting's regional everything

819
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 1: works different, you know, different parts of the country. But

820
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 1: but right there, I will Illinois, Kansas where I hunt.

821
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: You've got to have those weather fronts. Yeah, it's interesting,

822
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: you know, giving some of these conversations we've been having

823
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: over past weeks. You know, I've been trying to do

824
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,439
Speaker 1: just a better job, or it was planning on doing

825
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: a better job in the past years and this year

826
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: of just trying to see you know, every time I

827
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 1: do see a mature buck or you know, get a

828
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: daylight picture of mature buck, trying to like figure out

829
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: why why was he moving during daylight this time? Lots

830
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: of times in the past, you know, I shouldn't have

831
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: done this, but I'd see one, Oh great, there's a

832
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: big buck, and I would never try to understand the

833
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: reasoning behind it. But I'm trying to change that. Um So,

834
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: just last night, I was scouting from a distance. I

835
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: saw three potential shooters come into one of my Michigan

836
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: food plots during daylight. So I was trying to figure out,

837
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: you know why, you know, what was the reason for us.

838
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: And so I started looking through all the different potential

839
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: factors that people talk about that might influence deer movement.

840
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: You know, all these things we talked about, temperature pressure,

841
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: different moon things, wind speeds, et cetera. And you know,

842
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: one of the interesting things I saw was that we

843
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: definitely had a cold front hitting overnight, so that was

844
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: the biggest thing. And then the other thing, like you

845
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: mentioned a minute ago, we had that moon rising during

846
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: the last hour of daylight, and I really think that

847
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 1: could have been what triggered all that really great daylight movement.

848
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I just had a phone cut off for

849
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: a second and came right back home. But oh no,

850
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: you're talking about you seeing that buck last night and

851
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: then you're just trying to figure out exactly what's causing

852
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: them to move. Yeah, exactly, And I just said that,

853
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: you know, it ended up being when I looked at

854
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: all the different factors that just the things that you

855
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: mentioned there, the cold front hitting and moon rising during

856
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: the last hour daylight, those seemed to be perfect for

857
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: deer movement, and I saw it. So it's just interesting

858
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: to you know, to talk about these things and then

859
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: to actually see in action is pretty cool, right. Yeah.

860
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: I was ilk hunting this last week and we had

861
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: the full moon, um, and you know, the the Elker

862
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: Rutton all all night, but it was so hot. I

863
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: was waming the moral on the hot weather than I

864
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: was the moon. I'm sure the moon had a factor,

865
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,439
Speaker 1: but you know it wasn't nothing like what the weather

866
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: was doing to them. But but yeah, that over time,

867
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: if you start paying attention to that stuff, you know

868
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: what's causing these deer to move, You're gonna you're gonna

869
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: come up with, you know, the magic formula. Yeah, definitely,

870
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: so moving kind of fast forwarding through the season. You know,

871
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: in the early season, you're really focusing on that weather.

872
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: It sounds like you're you're keying in on some of

873
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: your food. What about that quote unquote October lull time

874
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: of the year. Once we get to mid October, what

875
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: are you doing at that time of year? Um, not

876
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: hunting typically, you know, I mean I'll go somewhere else

877
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: and high usually with duck hunting, you know, we'll go

878
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: Dakotas and duck hunt for a weekend or something in October.

879
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 1: But you know, after those first ten days or something,

880
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: you know, I may shoot some doughs, uh, I may

881
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: go to Illinois check on a farm, or go to

882
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: Kansas and hunt for a couple of days. But our

883
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: farm just typically shuts off to about Halloween, and I

884
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: don't spend a lot of time, you know, messing it up,

885
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: because that's that's what I call low percentage days, you know,

886
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: It's and I kind of just try to try to

887
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: brace myself for the rut, if that makes sense, you know,

888
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,439
Speaker 1: because we usually go out on pretty hard this first

889
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: three weeks in November. So after I hunt the first

890
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: week or two in October, I'll kind of, you know,

891
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: try to get back in good standing with my wife

892
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: and get ready for the rut. You know, it can

893
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: be a trying time. Oh man, So this is probably

894
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: the most important topic of the entire episode. Can you

895
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: give us any advice for that staying in good grace

896
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: with the wife? Man? You know, my wife, she likes

897
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: to hunt a little bit um, so she understands, you know,

898
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: the method to the madness. She she gets why I

899
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: do it. But you know, used to I was single,

900
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: it didn't matter, you know, I wouldn't. I'll started to

901
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: get married just because I loved hunts so much. But

902
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: when I finally got married, she was that she goes

903
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: wherever I go, so that that makes it easy. So

904
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 1: if I run to Kansas, check on the farm for

905
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: a long weekend, or I go to Illinois to plant

906
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: food plots. Probably you know, nine of those trips, she's

907
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: right there by my side. So I got a very

908
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: supportive wife and I cannot complain there. But you got

909
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: to keep mama happy or else. It makes for a

910
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: long winter. That's the truth. Yeah, it's it's it's a

911
00:44:54,719 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: constant battle. We we all must keep striving to fact. Yeah,

912
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: that's the truth. And you've got a little one now too,

913
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: So is that making things a little more challenging to Yeah,

914
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: she can't hunt as much now. You know last year

915
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: she um, she didn't shoot a buck last year and

916
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: now it was the first year she hasn't shot a

917
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: buck since we've been married. So you know, it's just

918
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: trying to line up a babysitter or when you do,

919
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: is it you know, is it the right night to

920
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: go hunting or whatever. But you know, she's she's killed

921
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: a lot of deer. But this year, you know, we

922
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 1: got a couple of people lined up who making step

923
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: in and uh and help babysit. And plus he's a

924
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: little older now, so that's gonna be easier. Yeah, that

925
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: would be cool. They were cool so so okay, moving forward, continuing,

926
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: let's say we've we passed that toward law. You killed

927
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: some ducks, you checked out Kansas Halloween hits. Now talk

928
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: to me about what is the Lindsay way for having

929
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: success during the run. You know, going back to weather,

930
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 1: you know, any time around Halloween, if you can start

931
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: to get that get a good cold from it, there's

932
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: gonna be a couple of days of action there. Um.

933
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: But our farm typically doesn't turn on until about you know,

934
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: the fifth through seventh in November. And it seems like

935
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: every year it gets a little later. I don't I

936
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: can't really explain why, but it seems like it does.

937
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: There's a lot of our neighbors, not a lot of

938
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: our other our friends in southern I well, they start,

939
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: you know, Halloween kicks it off, and you know the

940
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: first through the tenth there, you know, just gangbusters. But

941
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: it's not really that way for us. It's it seems like,

942
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: you know, it used to be the fifth, now it's

943
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: seventh or eight until it really gets going, and um,

944
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,479
Speaker 1: it's gonna go hard for you know, ten twelve days

945
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: and then it's kind of gonna be over. And then

946
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: every year is a little bit different, But you don't

947
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 1: really know when that peak of the rut happened until

948
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: it's over, If that makes sense. Yeah, definitely. You have

949
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: a main strategy that you that you focus on, like

950
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: betting areas or pinch points or anything like that during

951
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: the rut. In the rut, I'm all about funnels, you know.

952
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: I do like to get close to betting areas, but

953
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: not too close. But we do have like a tharlier,

954
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 1: a lot of timber um. The deer can really go anywhere.

955
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: So I try to key in on those stands that

956
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: and even if they're not necessarily in the rut right

957
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: where a buck always get pictures of all summer because

958
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: they travel a little more in the rut. But I'm

959
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: all about funnels, you know, whether it's funne on a

960
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 1: field edge, funnel in the hardwoods, phone, you know, creek bottom.

961
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: I just like to get those does coming past me.

962
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: And usually that's when you get your cruisers or you know,

963
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: your lockdown bucks and you're coming by. Yeah, so so

964
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: I know, you know, we talked about this a lot,

965
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: funnels and pinch points, and you know, for those of

966
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: us that have been doing this a long time, we

967
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: know what these funnels and pinch points might look like

968
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: you know, like you mentioned, it might be something that

969
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: the creek bottom with pinch and timber. It might be

970
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: something else. But I do know there's some people listening

971
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: right now that maybe aren't as experienced, and they hear

972
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: these terms but not not necessarily be able to visualize it. So, Jeff,

973
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: can you may be described to us in detail a

974
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: couple example funnels just for someone who maybe doesn't know

975
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: exactly what we're talking about. Well, and I will. We

976
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: have a lot of ditches, you know, and those ditches

977
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: dictate deer moving and sometimes a deer I go right

978
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: through the ditch, but not a lot of white tail

979
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: is pretty lazy, pretty path at least resistant animal. So

980
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's in the timber, uh, you know,

981
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: through the topo that's pushing on their saddles. You know,

982
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: I love hunting saddles, you know, Um, I love hunting. Uh,

983
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: you know, funnels in the timber between betting areas. But

984
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of you know, one of my

985
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 1: best spots is in the middle of a big timber

986
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: block and it is like the only flat spot in

987
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: that whole timber. And when you're shed hunting. No matter

988
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: where you walk picking up sheds, it seems like you

989
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: always come out in this spot, whether if you're trying

990
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: to or not. And you know, I keep those GPS

991
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: apps on my phone when i'm shifting hunt, and if

992
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 1: I find that spot that I keep walking by on accident,

993
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: you know I'm marking, I'm like, put a stand right here,

994
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: you know. So that's that's when I find a lot

995
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: of those funnels is in shed season, but you know

996
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: they're they're in fields to you know, you get a

997
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 1: lot of battles and fields. Big bucks like to cross

998
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: those saddles or those pinch points and fields, and um,

999
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: I like to find a brush yoak in one of

1000
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: those areas and and hang to stand in it. Yeah,

1001
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 1: that could be a dynamite spot. And that's that's kind

1002
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: of one of those under overlooked ones, like the low

1003
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: spot in the field or saddle in the field. I

1004
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: think a lot of us, you know, assume early at

1005
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: least maybe where I'm at, I'm assuming there's not gonna

1006
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: be deer crossing the open fields. But I still do

1007
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: see them doing it sometimes, but it's in those very

1008
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: specific low spots, those saddles in the field where they

1009
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: can stay down below the level of sight and sneak

1010
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: through there when they have to get to the other side. Right. Sure.

1011
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 1: My dad shot a big buck in Illinois last year

1012
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: a crossing the saddle field. I have about an eighty

1013
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: acre field on the farm my own over in Pike Cany, Illinois.

1014
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: And I mean you could be standing anywhere in that

1015
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: field and not have seen this buck, except he was

1016
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: in his elevator stand and he's seen that buck cross

1017
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 1: from from one pitch, one pitch on the edge of

1018
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: the woods to the other and it was probably a

1019
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: two yard crossing, but it was in the belly of

1020
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: the field. You know. It's just they love to do that,

1021
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: and it's it's easy to overlook those spots because if

1022
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: you hang a stand there usually can't see very far.

1023
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: But it is a dynamite spot. Yeah, It's it's interesting

1024
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: to see how those deer just naturally find and use

1025
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: those those areas that give them a little bit of

1026
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 1: edge from a safety standpoint or ease of travel standpoint. Right. Yeah.

1027
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: And in my Illinois farm has a lot of a

1028
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: lot of topo stuff, you know, going back to what

1029
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: I was talking about earlier with you know, reading the

1030
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: North American white Tails growing up. It has a lot

1031
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: of it's bluff country where I hunt in Illinois, right

1032
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: off the Illinois River, and it's a lot more steeper

1033
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 1: and more rugged terrain than I'm used to hunting in Iowa.

1034
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: So I'll be honest, I'm getting lessons every time I

1035
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: hunt there on how those deer move. I'm imagine it's

1036
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: similar to you know, Buffalo County, Wisconsin, or or some

1037
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: of these places that they've called the bluff Country. So

1038
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 1: I'm learning a lot about the Bluff Country, and I'm

1039
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: starting to pay a lot more attention to topo, but

1040
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: cause of you know what I'm having to try to

1041
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: figure out on the Illinois form. Yeah, that's fascinating stuff.

1042
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: I'm I'm hunting a spot this year up in northeast

1043
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: Iowa where it's got a lot of that bluff country too,

1044
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: and and definitely hilliest area I've ever hunted. So I'm

1045
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: I'm in the same kind of learning experienced boat as you.

1046
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: It sounds like just trying to, you know, take some

1047
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: of the things I've read about and heard about and

1048
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: better apply to exactly where I'm hunting. It will be interesting. Right, Yeah,

1049
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: So any of those secrets out and figure them out

1050
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: pass my way. I'll try I'll try. Um all right,

1051
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: So what about like, you know, what I'm thinking about

1052
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 1: hunting in Iowa or Kansas or one of these famed

1053
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: white tail places where you know, on an average you've

1054
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 1: got more older age class bucks. You know, my thought

1055
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: immediately jumps to being more aggressive, you know, calling, rattling,

1056
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 1: using things like decoys and things like that. That's kind

1057
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 1: of what I assume and to a degree I've seen

1058
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: are you able to get aggressive like that where you're

1059
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: hunting in Iowa? If so, you know, what of those

1060
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: hapes of tactics are you're using and having success with.

1061
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: I rattled a lot. You know, I'll carry a drunk

1062
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: costs start in the beginning of October. I'm not scared

1063
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: to start, you know, giving some soft grunts and then

1064
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: but in the rut, I'm rattling probably every twenty minutes.

1065
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: And a lot of people don't like to blind call,

1066
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 1: you know, I do um if I got a good wind,

1067
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,439
Speaker 1: But I do a lot of blind calling. I don't

1068
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: do a lot of blind blind grunting, you know, I

1069
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 1: figured they come in slower on that, but I like

1070
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: the deer the fast paced rut action and the rattling

1071
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: kind of kind of get them fired up. Decoys. I've

1072
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: killed some deer over decoys, but I figured there's only

1073
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: about a three or four day window in the Iowa

1074
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: rut that the decrees decoys really worked well on the

1075
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: mature bucks. That's that, that's just my observations. I'm probably

1076
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: wrong just because I'm don't carry them as much as

1077
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: I used to, but it seems like the more I

1078
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: put them out there, if you're hunting a spot that's

1079
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: got a lot of deer, you're gonna have those does

1080
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: come out. They're gonna be stopping. They're gonna know something's

1081
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: just not exactly right, you know, with your with your

1082
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 1: dough or your buck decoy. And usually they'll mess up

1083
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: one of my hunts more than they'll help it. So

1084
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: I only carry a decoy, you know, like I say,

1085
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: three or four times a year. But rattle. I mean

1086
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 1: I'll have blisters in the rut from rattling, and I

1087
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 1: rattling a lot of bucks, you know, and I kill

1088
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: a lot of books by rattling. But it's one of

1089
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: those deals or that's that's my aggressive tactic. So talk

1090
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: to me about your rattling sequence. Are you just smash

1091
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: them together for thirty seconds or do you tickle or

1092
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: what you know, during the rut when you're out there

1093
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: and you're doing your blind railing sessions, walk me through

1094
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: what that sounds like. It looks like. Yeah, I'm not

1095
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: doing a lot of tickling with the horns, but I

1096
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: you know, I'll typically typically get some good massive sheds,

1097
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: you know, and I'll get the same side that you know,

1098
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: typically two right sides of the shed, and I'll carry

1099
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: them and I'll i'll just make a noise as loud

1100
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: as I can without you know, busting my fingers, you know.

1101
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: I'll bang them together, try to get the mass on

1102
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 1: the horns to really resonate through the timber. And I'll

1103
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: go for about probably fifteen to twenty seconds something like that,

1104
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: and I'll try to sound as realistic as possible. Um.

1105
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: And then if I see a buck in the timber,

1106
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 1: whether he's chasing the dough, cruising whatever, I'll grab those horns.

1107
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 1: I'll turn my backside where he can't and try to

1108
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: rattle where he can't see me in um, same type deal.

1109
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: But when I when I see the deer, I'm only

1110
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: rattling probably five to ten secs. I'm just trying to

1111
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: get his attention. But when I'm just doing the blind calling,

1112
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: just beating the the sheds together, I'm going for seconds. Okay,

1113
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 1: have you I'm thinking you're probably smoking. Yeah, man, they're

1114
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: they're burning. I mean you can smell like the horns

1115
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: smashing together. Like I'm going nuts up there. That's awesome.

1116
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: I gotta imagine when when it works out and you

1117
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 1: see one tearing your way, that's guy to get the

1118
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: blood boiling. Oh it is. That's that's the best You know,

1119
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: that that week to ten days where the rattling antlers

1120
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: is working, that's that's the best time of the year

1121
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: to be alive. In my opinion. I mean, that's that's

1122
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: what you live for. That's why I do this is

1123
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: to is that that magical rut in November and that rut,

1124
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: you know, the rattling just just add some bizzas to it.

1125
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: But I gotta believe hunting where you're at. Have you

1126
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: seen some some big bucks go at it in person? Yeah?

1127
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 1: I have. I've seen, believe it or not, the biggest

1128
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: buck fight ever seen in my life was two years ago. Um,

1129
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: I was hunting with my wife and it was in

1130
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: January and there was these two bucks. You would have

1131
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: shot either one of them, and you know, I'm moving

1132
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: around the way trying to get it all on the

1133
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:30,959
Speaker 1: film because it was the coolest thing I ever seen.

1134
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: And they got done and the younger buck beat the

1135
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:36,959
Speaker 1: older buck in Randy Montimber, and we didn't get shoot

1136
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: either one of them. But but I've seen a few,

1137
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: not a not as ton, not as many as I should. Um,

1138
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 1: you know, I've seen those couple, you know, the two

1139
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: big ones that we had locked up about three or

1140
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 1: four years ago. You know, we we that was the

1141
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: two largest ones I ever seen fighting personally. But but

1142
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 1: I don't see as many you know, just buck fights

1143
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 1: as you as you think I would. You know, I

1144
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: see a lot of you know, bucks posture and up,

1145
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: and then usually they all know who's the boss and

1146
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: they kind of just leave the field order go to

1147
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: the other end and stay out of the main guy's way. Yeah,

1148
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: that's gotta be cool. Every time I've ever hunted in

1149
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: Iowa or one of these big bucks states, it's just

1150
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 1: there's a different feeling when you hunt somewhere like that,

1151
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 1: where you know that something that could potentially happen, a

1152
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: couple of giants could come out and go at it.

1153
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: Just the idea that's potentially out there just gets me

1154
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: pretty excited. Right. Oh yeah, that's that's that's what's so

1155
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: exciting about the road. You never can know, never know

1156
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: what can happen. And you know, a buck fights a

1157
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: rare site, but if you see one, you'll never forget it. Yeah, yeah,

1158
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: speaking of rare sights, what's just this is just kind

1159
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 1: of random curiosity here. What's the biggest buck you've seen

1160
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: while actually out hunting? Like a rough guess on score?

1161
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,399
Speaker 1: Have you seen one of the things over two? Yeah?

1162
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,919
Speaker 1: I've seen a few. Yeah. I had one one year,

1163
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 1: about about six years ago. I think I seem like

1164
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: two of two. D um My neighbor killed one of him.

1165
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: He was he's actually the state record across bow buck

1166
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: and I had him at sixty yards. He was like

1167
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: two thirty to thirty seven something like that. As a

1168
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: deer we called Mr Conics. I got a lot of

1169
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 1: summer pictures. This deer just a giant. Now. That was

1170
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: the only time I've seen him. He was locked down

1171
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: with the dough um and his two phones or or

1172
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: the dose two phones were hanging under my stand, and

1173
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: so I knew she lived in that area. I camped

1174
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: out there for three days, never seen it, and he

1175
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: ended up killing him late season, and I think it

1176
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: was that same year. I've seen another buck, that um

1177
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: that died to b h D. I guess what happened.

1178
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: I seen him October one. It was dear we call

1179
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: freak nasty. Uh. He was a I think he was

1180
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: six that year at four and a half. He was

1181
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: in the one and we let him go and sorry,

1182
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: I lost my head set there, but he was in

1183
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: the one eighties and let him go. And um the

1184
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: next year, I don't remember if it was five or six,

1185
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: but I think it was six and he was had

1186
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: to be two thirties, two forties. I've seen him opening day.

1187
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: I walked out that night through a creek bottom trying

1188
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: to go around where he exited the field. Not bumped

1189
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: him that night, and never seen him again the rest

1190
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: of my life. So I'm not sure what happened, but

1191
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: that those two right there that come to mind, or

1192
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: or about as big as I get. Yeah, man, I'm

1193
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: kind of going on tangent here. I promise I'll get

1194
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: back to tactics. But my favorite storyline ever from a

1195
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 1: Jury Outdoor show or DVD was the story of Goliath

1196
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: and Baby g If anyone out there hasn't seen this

1197
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: DVD or the clip online, you gotta go to YouTube

1198
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: and check out the Jury Outdoor TV YouTube channel. At

1199
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: least if you don't actually get the DVD, at least

1200
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: check out the little ten minute clip that shares this

1201
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: story of Jeff's dad, David's experience hunting this buck called Goliath,

1202
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: and then I think it was I think it was

1203
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: the next year, then another buck, baby g Can you

1204
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about what that was like

1205
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: for your dad at having that encounter with Goliath missing

1206
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: him and then him getting killed by someone else and

1207
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: then killing baby next year. It was probably the most

1208
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: emotional roller coaster year of his life. You know, probably

1209
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: never have another experience like that. I hope, you know,

1210
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: we have another deer like that. But Goliath was a

1211
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: special deer. You know. He he lived on us, but

1212
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: he had a big home range, so we didn't live

1213
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: on us all the time. But he was he was

1214
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: the perfect storm of a mega giant. You know, a

1215
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: world class animal. He was one of those that I

1216
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: could not get a picture of him the summertime. And

1217
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: usually I can get a picture every deer on our farm,

1218
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: but couldn't I get a picture of him in the summertime.

1219
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: He didn't like corn, He wouldn't even come into a cornfield. Um.

1220
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: He was just a very elusive deer and that that

1221
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: had all the potential to be ended up. The year

1222
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: he missed him, I think he was already hit him

1223
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 1: in the back. Skin was back. He was like two fifty,

1224
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: but two years before that when we first knew he

1225
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: was there, he was a two white tail, you know,

1226
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: just just awesome sheds by anybody's standards, but what he

1227
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: blew into was amazing. But that being said, at at

1228
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: six and a half or five and a half, when

1229
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: he had when he was like to ten, you know,

1230
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: we would have shot him all day long, but because

1231
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: he was so elusive, we didn't shoot him, you know,

1232
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,439
Speaker 1: And he was able to stay out of stay away

1233
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: from the hunters, and and ended up, you know, just

1234
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: growing in this world class animal. And I remember having

1235
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: a couple of trail cams up the only time I

1236
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: got druck him. Pictures of him twice. One time was

1237
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: on a scrape and the camera was real hidden and

1238
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: he had his head up in the leaves and he

1239
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: didn't see the camera. The next time is the only

1240
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: time I've ever had a buck do this. It was

1241
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: in the timber on a big community scrape. He come in.

1242
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: I was on the reckonics on the three burst. Every

1243
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: one second the scrape motor whatever it is, he's seen

1244
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: the camera. The next picking scene taking steps backwards, and

1245
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: third pick, you see his till, just getting out there

1246
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: as fast as he can. And so he just he

1247
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 1: was super elusive. And he just so happened to have

1248
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: those jeans that really made him world class because he

1249
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: was so elusive. Because a lot of her other bucks,

1250
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: you know, they get two, we're gonna shoot him the

1251
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: first chance we get, you know, And but this guy

1252
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't wouldn't give you that chance. Man. That's that's that's

1253
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: what we all dream of is is someday being in

1254
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 1: a position to see that kind of deer, that's for sure. Yeah.

1255
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: And when he came out on that field, I mean,

1256
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: I'm sure his his deer hunting career peaked right there.

1257
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: When you know double drop time in the snow jump

1258
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: the fence and uh, you know, we still think if

1259
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: you would have had a cameraman, if he wasn't trying

1260
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: to run the camera and shoot the deer, he probably

1261
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: would have got him. Yeah, that's still like the coolest

1262
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: video I think I've ever seen it. Every time I

1263
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: watched that, like with Buddies, we watched that DVD again,

1264
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 1: we all just kind of jaws drop and we start like,

1265
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. Every time he comes in the field,

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Speaker 1: that is just it's it's a little bitter sweet. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's over it now. And once he got baby ge,

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Speaker 1: it definitely helped ease the pain, you know, because Baby

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Speaker 1: g end up scoring about the same, but he's still

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Speaker 1: is just not as an impressive deer as Golithe. You know,

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Speaker 1: that guy to probably be the most impressive free ranging

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Speaker 1: deer to you ever be killed. Yeah, unbelievable, dear so

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Speaker 1: So we are running out of time here, but I

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Speaker 1: do want to ask you one more kind of tactic

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01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: related question related to something you just mentioned there a

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Speaker 1: second ago um trail cameras, What would you say is

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Speaker 1: the greatest lesson you've learned or the biggest takeaway you've

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01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: had when it comes to using trail cameras. What what

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Speaker 1: do we absolutely need to know from you about the

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Speaker 1: best way to use those, Well, just knowing what deer

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Speaker 1: you got there. You know, trail cameras are a double

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Speaker 1: edged toward in my opinion, because you know, you're just

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01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: gonna tell you what deer you got there, or tell

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01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: you what deer you don't have there. So if you

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Speaker 1: know you've got a deer in the area, you know

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Speaker 1: to hold out for this buck or it's able to

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Speaker 1: You're able to document these deer year after year and

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Speaker 1: figure out how old they are, and then you know

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Speaker 1: when to go in and get them. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: as much as I love trail cameras, sometimes I do

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Speaker 1: love to hunt farms that I haven't ran trail cameras

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01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: on them because I know when I see a big bucket,

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01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: you know, I don't have to worry about, oh, you know,

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01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: who is this guy or what what's our plans for him?

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Speaker 1: You know, it's just he's I I think he's old

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01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: enough to killing. But but that the summertime, you know,

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Speaker 1: being able to get pictures of them and realizing what

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01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,439
Speaker 1: dear you got, I think that is the number one

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01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: you know, management tactic for our herd that that helps

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Speaker 1: us year to year decide on what bucks we're gonna

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Speaker 1: harvest and what bucks we're gonna, you know, decide to

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01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: let go and try to try to grow another goliathe

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01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: per se. Yeah, they're an incredible tool, that's for sure,

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01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: super helpful, but to your point, they could be dangerous

1305
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: too if you're not careful with them right that they

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01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: can Yeah. Yeah, well, Jeff, we unfortunately have got to

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Speaker 1: wrap things up. I'd uh, I'd love to hear more

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01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 1: about some of this big deer you've got run around there,

1309
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: but hopefully we'll be seeing something on Facebook or or

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01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: Instagram soon with you sitting next to a giant in

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01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 1: the coming days and weeks, I hope. So, man, the

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01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: same here to you guys. I know you guys are

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01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: getting excited about what's about to kick off, So maybe

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01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: we'll all three get one. I hope, so man, I hope. So.

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Speaker 1: So for everyone up there listening, if they want to

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01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: learn more about the Lindsay Way or what you're doing online,

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01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: and where can they go to find some info about

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01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: that stuff? Yeah, you know we have Instagram, Twitter, Facebook pages.

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01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: You know, our website is is pretty much up and

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01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 1: run and still kind of raw. But you know, we'll

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01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: start documenting and start you know, kind of updating from

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Speaker 1: the field on our social media. That's that's kind of

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01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 1: what the world does now and so that's our plan

1324
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: this fall, and um, you know, we're going to get

1325
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: the word out and hopefully you know, be ready to

1326
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: rock and roll come uh, you know, July next year

1327
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,919
Speaker 1: when the show hits the air. Awesome, Well, I can't

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01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: wait to check it out, Jeff, And thanks again for

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01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 1: joining us today and good luck this season. Yeah, good

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01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 1: luck to you guys too. Man, thanks for you all time.

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01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: All right, Jeff, I have a good one, are you too?

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01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: Bye bye bye. Alright, Well, I thoroughly enjoyed that chat

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01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: with Jeff. And you know, while I know that many

1334
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 1: of you and myself included, don't necessarily hunt on the

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01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: same type of farm that Jeff has, you know, it's

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01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: still a lot of fun to hear about, you know,

1337
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 1: what's going on out there and the type of opportunity

1338
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 1: muties that you might have in a spot like that

1339
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: where you know, a lot of us dream of hunting

1340
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 1: something like that. And I know that Jeff has realized

1341
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: they've got a great situation out there and and they're

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01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: taking advantage of it, and I think that's pretty awesome.

1343
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 1: So if you do ever get a chance to head

1344
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 1: out somewhere like Iowa or Kansas, you now also have

1345
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: a little bit of an idea of what you might

1346
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: have to expect and look forward to. So either way,

1347
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 1: awesome stuff from Jeff. I'm glad we got to chat

1348
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: with him, and I hope you guys enjoyed it too. Now,

1349
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 1: before we wrap things up, we do need to give

1350
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: a special thank you to our friends at carbon Express Arrows,

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Speaker 1: who are sponsoring this specific podcast. In recent episodes, I've

1352
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: mentioned to giveaway that they're running this fall as part

1353
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 1: of their launch of the new white Tail arrow and

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Speaker 1: that's still going on right now, so be sure to

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Speaker 1: visit Whitetail dot carbon express dot com to learn more

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Speaker 1: about that opportunity to win an all expenses paid hunt

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Speaker 1: to Giles Island with carbon Express and the q DM

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01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: ay that will be a pretty cool hunt. So in addition, though,

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Speaker 1: I also want to mention just really quickly my own

1360
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 1: personal experiences with carbon Express. You know, when I started

1361
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:07,960
Speaker 1: bow hunting fifteen years ago or so, I think it was.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the very first carbon Yeah, the very

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Speaker 1: first carbon arrows that I ever picked up and used

1364
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 1: were Carbon Express and ever since then that's the only

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01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 1: brand I've ever bought. I can't ever remember buying a

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01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 1: different brand other than Carbon Express, and over all those years,

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Speaker 1: they just have never let me down. And these days

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Speaker 1: I'm shooting the Carbon Express Maxima Red Arrows, which are

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01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 1: pretty incredible. But you know what I found is that

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01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 1: regardless of whether you go with the top line arrow

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01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 1: like the Maxima reds or more midrange arrow like the

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Speaker 1: White Tail arrow, I think you'll come to find that

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01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: these arrows consistently always just seemed to get the job done.

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01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 1: And that's why I just keep on shooting him. I

1375
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 1: think you'll find the same thing. So in addition to that,

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Speaker 1: we do want to thank the rest of our partners

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01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:58,479
Speaker 1: who have helped to make sure that the Wired Hump

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Speaker 1: podcast stays on the air. Big thank you too, Sick

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Speaker 1: of Gear, Trophy, Ridge Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds, Huntera, maps Osonics,

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Speaker 1: Lacrosse Boots, and the White Tailed Institute of North America.

1381
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Speaker 1: And thank you to all of you guys and girls

1382
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 1: for you know, hearing us out when we do talk

1383
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 1: about our partners and our sponsors. Um I know that

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01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 1: we're all inundated with ads and product promotions all the

1385
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Speaker 1: time on TV and magazines, and every time you're you're

1386
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 1: getting something Honting related, usually there's some kind of promotion

1387
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 1: in there, and I know that can get annoying sometimes.

1388
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: So we're really trying to try to do a good

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01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 1: job of talking about our partners on occasion, but not

1390
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Speaker 1: in such a way that's intrusive to you. Guys are annoying,

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01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: and we're trying to be really honest about we're doing too,

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Speaker 1: So I hope that's coming through. I hope you guys

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01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: are okay with what we're doing, and thank you for

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01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 1: for your patients. With that, Now, a couple more quick updates.

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Speaker 1: First off, make sure to be checking out The White

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Speaker 1: Tail Q and a podcast that's our new show that

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01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 1: we launched about a month ago. It's it's supposed to

1398
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 1: be twice a week. I'm struggling with that a little bit,

1399
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, so right now it's been

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Speaker 1: about once a week the last couple of weeks. But

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Speaker 1: it's a short and sweet podcast where I'm answering one

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Speaker 1: single listeners submitted question and uh, I think you'll enjoy

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Speaker 1: so make sure check that out on iTunes or at

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Speaker 1: weird hunt dot com slash white tail q A who

1405
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 1: I'm run under breath here. If you guys have enjoyed

1406
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:26,879
Speaker 1: this podcast and our past episodes, we would incredibly appreciate

1407
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:28,759
Speaker 1: it if you could leave us a rating or review

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01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 1: on iTunes. So far, like three and thirty two of

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Speaker 1: you have already done that, and that's incredible. That's making

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Speaker 1: us the top rated deer hunting podcast on iTunes, which

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Speaker 1: is which is awesome. So thank you all so much

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Speaker 1: for doing that already. If you have, and if you haven't,

1413
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:46,679
Speaker 1: and if you have you know some thoughts and opinions

1414
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:48,720
Speaker 1: on the show you'd like to share, we would love

1415
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 1: to hear. You have to say thank you for that feedback.

1416
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: Now that all out of the way, it's time to

1417
01:08:56,200 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 1: officially finally wrap up the show. Next time I talk

1418
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: to you, guys, I'll have been starting to hunt. I'll

1419
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 1: be in Michigan on opening day. I'll have been hunting

1420
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,599
Speaker 1: in Ohio for a couple of days, and hopefully I've

1421
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:10,679
Speaker 1: got some exciting stories. I hope you all are racking

1422
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 1: up some great stories. We hope to hear from you soon.

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01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 1: Make sure you're sharing your success with us. Email us

1424
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 1: let us know how you're doing. I hope that you

1425
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 1: guys are learning some things in the podcast and then

1426
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 1: you can put them into actions. So until next time,

1427
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Speaker 1: good luck on your upcoming hunts, and of course, always

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Speaker 1: stay wired to hunt