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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome into the All Ball Podcast. I'm Doug Gottlieb

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Speaker 1: This week we're gonna deep take a deep dive into

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Speaker 1: the Boston Celtics as well as to the d m V.

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Speaker 1: My boy Darren Mclinton is going to join us. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He was a tremendous planet player at James Madison played

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Speaker 1: not only a trainer but also in a you coach

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Speaker 1: thought you'd enjoy me catching up with de Clint, who

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Speaker 1: has his own podcast with his brother who played ball

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Speaker 1: in Maryland. I thought that would be uh interesting, entertaining

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Speaker 1: and enlightening. Also joining us as Keith Smith, the covers

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Speaker 1: the NBA for Yahoo's Sports. You can follow him on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: He also does the Celtics blog as well. So I

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Speaker 1: want to get you sense for what was going on

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Speaker 1: I'll give you my my two cents here real quick

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Speaker 1: on a couple of things we've seen. I will point

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Speaker 1: out this about the Houston Rockets, and I'm not laughing

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Speaker 1: saying I told you so, because they're much worse defensively,

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Speaker 1: much worse offensively now they've had, uh, you know, subtraction

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Speaker 1: of that we saw in Fairness. In fairness, you know,

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Speaker 1: they had they had a suspension with Chris Paul and

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Speaker 1: they got James Harden hurt. So if you lose Chris

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Speaker 1: really hard to hide Carmelo Anthony. His game is one

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Speaker 1: a pass. They haven't played well. But neither of the

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Speaker 1: Neither of the Lakers played all that well. And some

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Speaker 1: other dudes in the NBA are tired of hearing about

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Speaker 1: It's just really hard for a guy who's always played

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Speaker 1: And the Machifs. But people think the machiese moo basketball

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Speaker 1: did they miss Andre Robertson? People still under aid his

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Speaker 1: importance to that team. Everybody says, I can't hit a

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Speaker 1: free throw and can't hit a three, but that dish

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Speaker 1: regards just how good he is defensively and against the

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Speaker 1: team like Boston or even a team like Golden State.

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Speaker 1: Teams like that, you need his defense and they're really

434
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Speaker 1: missing it right now. Yeah, and then the question becomes

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Speaker 1: when he does return having an a c L injury

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Speaker 1: and then having a back up another surgery, is he

437
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Speaker 1: ever going to be the Andre Robertson athletically of old

438
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Speaker 1: like that? You know, that's a legit question in addition

439
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Speaker 1: to the fact that you're playing four on five on offense.

440
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Speaker 1: You can make up for it if he's that good

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Speaker 1: a defensive player and rebounder, but if he loses a

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Speaker 1: step defensively, will that team ever live up to what

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Speaker 1: I think their potential is um your thoughts on the

444
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Speaker 1: Orlando Magic, a franchise which seems to have been in

445
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Speaker 1: rebuild mode now here for the last five years or so.

446
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Speaker 1: Uh Bushovic Obviously Vic is a very talented player, but um,

447
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Speaker 1: you know they paid Aaron Gordon a bunch of money.

448
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Speaker 1: I don't think he'll ever be a stretch let alone

449
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Speaker 1: with three men when you see Orlando. Is there hope there? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think there's some hope, but it's you have to

451
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Speaker 1: project it down the line a little. You have to

452
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Speaker 1: believe in Jonathan I like Mo Bamba and Aaron Gordon

453
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Speaker 1: are going to be able to develop and met the

454
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Speaker 1: three of them are going to be able to play

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Speaker 1: together on the floor, And then you're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: hope that John Willman and Jeff Hammond are able to

457
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Speaker 1: go find cards that fit around them, because right now

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Speaker 1: they just don't have enough shooting. The only confidence shooter

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Speaker 1: on the roster is Terence Ross and your Russell let

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Speaker 1: a fly from anywhere on the floor. You get that,

461
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Speaker 1: a rational confidence, if you will. But the rest of

462
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Speaker 1: the guys, it's just rough there there you are, you know,

463
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Speaker 1: they're they're guys who should be good backups on a

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Speaker 1: good team instead of being starters for the Magic, which

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Speaker 1: is why they're in the position they're in right now. No,

466
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Speaker 1: I mean, like, listen, if you want length and athleticism, Gordon,

467
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Speaker 1: you mentioned Jonathan Isaac who is super versatile, and Mo Bamba,

468
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Speaker 1: who you would think two or three years from now projects,

469
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Speaker 1: But they're all just kind of long athletic range Like this,

470
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Speaker 1: this has become a game where you need that, but

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Speaker 1: you also need skill. It's a it's a shotmakers league,

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Speaker 1: and they don't have any shotmakers, let alone, let alone

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Speaker 1: true ball handlers as well. All right, last one is

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Speaker 1: the Toronto. Well I'm gonna get this way to the

475
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Speaker 1: Sixers too. The Raptors beat the Celtics in Toronto, obviously

476
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Speaker 1: their second game of the year. But the sense you

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Speaker 1: get when you watch Toronto you think Kauai can take

478
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Speaker 1: them a further step now that Lebron's not in not

479
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Speaker 1: in the Eastern Conference. Yeah, I really do. And the

480
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Speaker 1: thing with the Raptors is just everything fits so well

481
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Speaker 1: with them. Everybody knows what their role is, everybody's content

482
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Speaker 1: to play that role. You've got really it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: Kyle Lowry and Kauai are going to be the ones

484
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Speaker 1: who get us our offense, and then everybody else is

485
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Speaker 1: going to play off the two of them. Danny Green

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Speaker 1: looks like, you know, the guy who he looked like

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Speaker 1: with the Spurs a few years ago. You know, he's

488
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Speaker 1: playing great defense and knocking down every open jumper he gets,

489
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Speaker 1: and then the Bigs are doing some stuff. Pascal Siaka

490
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Speaker 1: has come almost from out of nowhere as this guy

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Speaker 1: who all of a sudden, he's defending, he's bringing the

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Speaker 1: ball up. He gets a little out of control sometimes.

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Speaker 1: But but I think that's almost okay because they leave

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Speaker 1: them a little more unpredictable. So I think the there's

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Speaker 1: you know, they still get that deep bench too, so

496
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Speaker 1: they're they're gonna be really toxic. It's one of those

497
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Speaker 1: things where when you watch them play Boston is only

498
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Speaker 1: the second game of the season for both teams, where

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Speaker 1: you really said, well, I hope we could get seven

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Speaker 1: games of this compass brain. Yeah. I guess my fear

501
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: is I do think that Lowry hits his ceiling once

502
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Speaker 1: he gets to the playoffs. That guys lock in on

503
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Speaker 1: him a little bit more. And you know, he's about

504
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Speaker 1: six feet tall, he's in his early thirties. He's gonna

505
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Speaker 1: be like thirty three here in March. And I think

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Speaker 1: one of the things that people don't talk enough about

507
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Speaker 1: with Toronto is there are times in which he struggles

508
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Speaker 1: with the longer, better point guards and and teams you know,

509
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Speaker 1: much more focused on it. But I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like, look, if last year you had your

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Speaker 1: best season ever and you had to Mark de Rosen,

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Speaker 1: you get rid of them Rosen, and you add in Kauai,

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Speaker 1: and you add in a guy like Danny Green, who

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Speaker 1: is a perfect fit for the way in which they

515
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 1: want to play, the Raptors should be better. I still

516
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Speaker 1: think the Celtics are better, but I'm not I'm not

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Speaker 1: convinced as of yet that the Celtics have figured out

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Speaker 1: exactly who does what and when they do it. Last

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Speaker 1: one is the Philadelphia seventy sixers. Um look and beads.

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Speaker 1: A guy who everybody likes because of his personality and

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Speaker 1: what he can be. Everyone likes Ben Simmons because of

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Speaker 1: his ability to create for himself and for others. But

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Speaker 1: there seems to be a post of shooting there as well.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not convinced the folk you'll be able to

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Speaker 1: fix folds during the years nobody's guarding him. When you

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Speaker 1: see the seventy sixers, are they are they going to

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Speaker 1: take that next step this year? Yeah? I don't think

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Speaker 1: they're going to take that step further than really what

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Speaker 1: they were this year or this past season. They should

530
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Speaker 1: say they are in a spot where they're chief rivals

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Speaker 1: of Yeast. Boston and Toronto are just are horrible matchups

532
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Speaker 1: for them. Because the Celtics they do two things. One

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Speaker 1: may play that seventy sixers, they say, all right, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna we're just gonna drop off Ben Simmons because he

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Speaker 1: isn't not going to shoot. We're not worried about him

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Speaker 1: shooting at all. And then they have enough side that

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Speaker 1: most teams they'll drop off him, but he's still think

538
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Speaker 1: he can still get to where he wants to go,

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Speaker 1: you know, even though guys are giving him three and

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Speaker 1: four steps. Celtics have enough side that they can still

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Speaker 1: hold their own when he gets there. And then the

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Speaker 1: other thing they do is they bring in Aaron Banes

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Speaker 1: and say sign embid. You might dunk on him once,

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Speaker 1: but the other ten possessions he's just gonna be up

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Speaker 1: in your face for shooting and stupid stuff and taking

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Speaker 1: these terrible shots. And then that's where Ebid just plays

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Speaker 1: right into it because he's still, you know, is in

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Speaker 1: the sense at this point in his career he wants

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Speaker 1: to beat guys and go act guys. And we see this,

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Speaker 1: you know, with certain guys and Aaron bans Is that

551
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: guy Baines doesn't care if you dunks on him. Banes

552
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Speaker 1: is like, that's fine, I'll shut you down on the

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Speaker 1: other ten possessions. I have no issue in Toronto. We

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Speaker 1: saw it the other night. They're starting to play them

555
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: the exact same way. So Philadelphie's definitely get some problems

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Speaker 1: and a lot of it does revolve around the shooting

557
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: as well as they just don't have another creator off

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Speaker 1: the dribble other than Simmons unless Bolts can get there,

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Speaker 1: and then that's only two and I don't know that

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Speaker 1: that's enough to win when you're you know, getting into

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, and playoffs is being about, is about care,

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Speaker 1: get in your own offense. If you can't do that,

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Speaker 1: things that are going to break down and really get

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Speaker 1: tough for you. I think it's fast thing. It's fasting.

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Speaker 1: Let me I said that was the last thing. Why

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Speaker 1: doesn't It's a lot of personality in one room, and

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Speaker 1: Dwight Howard's coming back, and I don't know that that's

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Speaker 1: going to make things any better, you know, to kind

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Speaker 1: of conditioned at this point to believe that's probably gonna

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Speaker 1: make things worse. I just it feels like it's one

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Speaker 1: of those where they've been together too long to you know,

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Speaker 1: we're going into year four is five of this same group.

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Speaker 1: We have the same core guys all together. And when

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Speaker 1: you when you're not winning at a high level, like

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Speaker 1: say Golden State, is when it's the same guys together

577
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Speaker 1: all the time, they just wear on each other and

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Speaker 1: it's really time to break it up, and unfortunately wear

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Speaker 1: Withking at it and you're saying, how are they going

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Speaker 1: to break it up? They've got all these terrible contracts.

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Speaker 1: They've only got five players with guaranteed salaries next year,

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Speaker 1: is just break things up, go in a different direction

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Speaker 1: So that's it starts with with that, is like, look,

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00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: he was more highly recruited, more highly touted, and so

642
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: that little inferior or the time plex I think it

643
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: comes up all the time, right, it does? It does?

644
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: We argue, We go back and forth. We uh, you know,

645
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: some people that listened to the show, they asked who's better.

646
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: You know, he's humble, and you know I got something

647
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: to prove. So it comes up a lot. Okay, so

648
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: let's let's get to a couple of things that I mean,

649
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: you're perfect for this. Um uh, Let's start with the Wizards.

650
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: They have John Wall Brad Beal. I don't, I don't really.

651
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I know Scott Brooks and we had him

652
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: on the podcast, so he kind of explained the Dwight

653
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: Howard thing, like, look but I don't I don't know

654
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: when Dwight Howard since Orlando a long time ago. It

655
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: hasn't really worked in terms of the team, but he

656
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: hadn't played yet, so we can't blame their dysfunction on

657
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: Dwight Howard. What the hell's the matter with the Whiz? Now?

658
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: I have two things with the Wizards now. First off,

659
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: there awful rebounded team. They're lasting, re total rebound um

660
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: and the presence in the middle. Uh now marching Gore

661
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: Toon who is now with the Clippers. They we traded

662
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: him away and he's a former teammate of mine. We

663
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: played together in Germany. He he wasn't the inside physical

664
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: force that you you kind of want to see, but

665
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: he was a total team guy man, and he he

666
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: did a lot of a lot of things that don't

667
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 1: show up in the statue that clearly the Wizards are

668
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: missing right now. Um, Dwight Howard has yet to suit up,

669
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: so I can't say anything more than he'll be a

670
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: rin protector. He'll change that. Um, he'll be able to

671
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: start the fast break immediately with the shot blocking ability

672
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: and rebound ability. But uh, it's it's yet to be seen.

673
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: He's supposed to debut on Friday against the when the

674
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: Thunder come to town, so we'll see. But okay, but okay,

675
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: so that's one. So rebounding is one, and Dwight Howard

676
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: can rebound. Although like, look, the game has so changed

677
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: now because the game is so spread out that you know,

678
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: you have to you have to have a guy who runs.

679
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: You have to have a guy who sprints to a rebound, right.

680
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: You gotta Jordan Bell types guys that run into rebound

681
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: both offensively and defensively. And the thing that they have

682
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: with Gore Tott was like, look, he frustrated him because

683
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: he's standing on there with with his hand up and um,

684
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: and you know wants the ball, and those guys are like, look,

685
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: that's not you know, in terms of efficiency wise, posting

686
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: up is not a good is not is not terribly efficient.

687
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: But there were other things that he brought. He brought toughness,

688
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: he said, you know, he said good screens, which I

689
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: think I think, you know, but loosen like like Andrew Bogat.

690
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: People don't realize how important he was for the first

691
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: championship for the Warriors, right because like that dude said

692
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: great screens and sometimes the legal screens. So when you're

693
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: guarding Steff, you don't have to worry about Steff. We

694
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: had to worry about sometimes running into Andrew Bogat, who's

695
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: a huge human being. Gore Todd had some of that.

696
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: So maybe they undervalued him and we'll see how it

697
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: works with with with the twelve. I guess the big question,

698
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Speaker 1: maybe this is your second part. Can Wall and b

699
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Speaker 1: O co exist? And that's my second part is the

700
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: it's the locker room because you know, and you're you're

701
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: a point guard like myself, and you know that leadership

702
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: starts at the point guard position. And and just as

703
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 1: recent as after the last game, I listened to the presser,

704
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: the postgame pressor, and they were talking to John Wall,

705
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: and he was stating, how, you know, it's up to him,

706
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: he's got to, you know, galvanize these guys and get

707
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: them get them together and and and get out of

708
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: this slump. And then they talked to Bradley Bill and

709
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: he's saying it's up to him that they've got he's

710
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: got a galvinize the guys and bring them together, and

711
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: he takes the blame for that. Um, I don't think

712
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: it can be both of them. And so one is

713
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: telling the truth and one is not so. And they're

714
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: posted elite All Star players. And I'd be fine if

715
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: they were saying if Wall said me and being Bill

716
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: or me and Brad and then Bill said, yeah, me

717
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: and John that we've gotta you know, we've got to

718
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: get these guys raised, these guys level. But they were

719
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 1: each saying me and and and I just there's something

720
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: about that. And after the Clipper game. After the Clippers game,

721
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 1: DC Rivers said, the first thing that Scotty Brooks said

722
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: to him was, you guys really look like you all

723
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: love planning with each other, and you know you play

724
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: together as a team, So there's something to be said

725
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: there as well. And I don't think that the locker

726
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: room problems is a is a fixed by D twelve.

727
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,439
Speaker 1: He's not. He hasn't been a great locker room guy,

728
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: you know in his past as well, So I don't

729
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: think him coming into the myths. You know, he hasn't.

730
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: He hasn't showed up yet. And and the togetherness is

731
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: what they need. And he you know, he didn't he

732
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: had to go on tour in China, UM when the

733
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: team had their outing out in UH in California, so

734
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 1: he wasn't there for that either. You know, there's there's

735
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: a lot to be said with you know, continuity and

736
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: cohesiveness that that starts in nof season three, when you

737
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: got a new free agent coming in town. Why do

738
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: you think, um, why do you think that the thunder

739
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: has struggled? WHOA? I don't know whether they're gonna try

740
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: to start uh shrewder and and and UM Westbrook together

741
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 1: even when UM Robson comes back. I think Robson missing

742
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: these two months is really hurting them. UM, great defender,

743
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: great team guy, great blue guy. UH, and then bringing

744
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 1: shrewder In, who's a starting point guard UM into you know,

745
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: Russ's town, which is see I see. I think I

746
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: think if you go back to when Russ had k

747
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: D and they went to the finals, obviously James Harden

748
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: is better than Shrewder. I'm not not sitting here, but

749
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: but what the thunder guys told me, then Scotty told me,

750
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: then the front office guys like, look, as good as

751
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: Russ is as a point and he's dynamic, you put

752
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: him off the ball where he doesn't have to worry

753
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: about running things, just gets it and goes. And I

754
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: think that whether they start him or not, I do

755
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 1: think that they want that to be their finishing group.

756
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: And you mentioned continuity, but like, look, if you don't

757
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: have Russ for the whole preseason and now of a

758
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: sudden you're trying to do it's hard on fly. It's

759
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: like it's like Mark hell Folds trying to fix his

760
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: jump shot on the fly. Like you need a long

761
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: time together to get cohesiveness. And there's great expectations of

762
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook two years in row AFGENI and triple double.

763
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 1: There's a great expectation that team because everybody thought, well

764
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,479
Speaker 1: Paul George's back second year, more cohesive, they'll start winning

765
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,439
Speaker 1: right away. I actually I still think that will work.

766
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: My fear with the Thunder is there's this hope they're

767
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 1: holding out hope for robertson coming back and being the

768
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 1: same dude. You come aft off two surgeries and the

769
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: same knee, You're not gonna be the same athletically. And

770
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: that's his whole game is defense and rebounding. That that's

771
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: really my fear with this team. I think the rest

772
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: of the stuff kind of gets worked out. Yeah, it's

773
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: all about how you finish and that and not how

774
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: you start. And you made a great point about you

775
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: know what, which team with which lineup they want to

776
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: finished games with UM and go down to stretch with.

777
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: And I do think it will end up being shrewder

778
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: and and Russ in there together. Uh, it'll take some time.

779
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: It'll take time to iron out because you know, I

780
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: worked with UM Jeremy Grant in the off season. He's

781
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: from here as well, and you know he we were

782
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: working on some pick and roll stuff and I I

783
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: was telling him, I was like, you know, where where

784
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: do you usually get it? And he kind of told

785
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: me when you're dealing with Russ, you know, you just

786
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: gotta be ready to get it whenever. You never, you know,

787
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: you just gotta play off of him. So that's you know,

788
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: that's different from you know, if if Shrewder's hand on

789
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: the ball. So you know, there's some things that we'll

790
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 1: we'll get ironed out. And I think, uh, down the stretch,

791
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: they'll they'll be in the mix. Um. Yeah, but it's

792
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 1: just it's gonna take. It's gonna take some time. Shrewder

793
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: was gonna show the whole reseason. Do you like Lebron

794
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: with the Lakers? Yes, Actually I do. I do. Um.

795
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: I think Lebron is kind of coasting right now, and

796
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: he's so good that he can do that because he's

797
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 1: giving he's giving guys, you know, an opportunity to to

798
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: really express themselves, Guys like Josh Hart, guys like uh

799
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: Brandon Ingram. You know, they're coming into their own and

800
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: and and I think that when it comes down to

801
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: the nitty gritty, Lebron is just gonna take games over.

802
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 1: And that's what that's what happens when you get towards

803
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: playoff time and uh second half of the season after

804
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: the Christmas break, so all after the All Star break,

805
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: I think the Lakers will be fine. I think they'll

806
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: be better, and I think they're still trying to. I

807
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: agree with you, he's trying to figure out who can

808
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 1: play and who can't play. I think they're trying to

809
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: figure out, you know, Alonso or Rondo. They played Rondo

810
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 1: down the stretch against Minnesota. I thought that was a mistake,

811
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: even though Alonzo wasn't playing well that night, just because

812
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: Alonzo can make he can make a catch and shoe

813
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: jump shot. Rondo is doing so many other little things,

814
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: but can't. You won't even take a catch and shoe

815
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: jump shot. And they they do need, they need some

816
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: of their shotmakers to jump up and make shots. I

817
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: like Heart more off the bench than I do as

818
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: a starter. I think sometimes his ceiling kind of gets exposed.

819
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: And I know I'm talking a bad about guys from

820
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: your area, but I'm not really talking bad about Heart.

821
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: I think he's a really good player. I just think

822
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 1: like that's a hard position. Like you know, Jimmy Butler

823
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: can just jump up and shoot over him. He's just

824
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: bigger and a little bit better, right, Um he's and

825
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: he's an energy guy as well. Yes, you know, as

826
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: you know energy guys. You know, if you play them

827
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: long periods the time and long stretches, you know some

828
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: some of their weaknesses do show. Yeah, No, I mean, look,

829
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: that's the that's the part that I don't think. I

830
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: don't think people do a good enough job on TV

831
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: and sometimes on radio of understanding that that positions like

832
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: there's different guys for different roles, and like a Josh

833
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: Hart coming off the bench as a six man, even

834
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: if he plays the exact same minutes as a starter,

835
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: you're matching up usually against inferior players. He gives him

836
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: a chance to ramp up the energy, kind of change

837
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,399
Speaker 1: the tempo of a game. There's a lot of starting card,

838
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guards, like like I would I

839
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: would contend that Shrewder is the is another example of that.

840
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: Like I don't love Shrewder playing thirty five minutes a game,

841
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: playing forty minutes a game. But if he plays, you know,

842
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: twenty five minutes a game, and you go, hey, man,

843
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: when Russ is out, I want you to just go

844
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: and try and score an attack. And when Russ is

845
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: in the game, I need you to, you know, beyond

846
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: the ball defensively so he can chill a little bit

847
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: and I need you to facilitate a little more. I

848
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: think that's sometimes guys have specific roles that they fit in.

849
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: Some of it's about who they match up with, some

850
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: of it's about kind of the pace of the game,

851
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: and some of it's about just the makeup of guys.

852
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: You have to know the makeup of those guys. And

853
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: I kind of think that's what Lebron and frankly Luke

854
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: Walton is trying to figure out, because like you and

855
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: I know that you and I know this, and and

856
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 1: other people don't. They see it, but they can't really

857
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: express it. It's that last year with the Lakers, people

858
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 1: weren't getting up for Laker games like they were crummy,

859
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: like they were bad, and they had a bunch of

860
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,479
Speaker 1: young guys. Now you're now every game that you step

861
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 1: on the floor of Lebron James, that's like a playoff game.

862
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: And so you have no idea how Brandon Ingram is

863
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: going to react in a real game or how For example,

864
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: is Jimmy Butler like he ain't been playing that great

865
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he plays out of his mind.

866
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 1: Why because he's playing against Lebron James and the Lakers,

867
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: a franchise he might want to play play with this

868
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: season or next season, and he's trying to show out

869
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: for them. I think that. I think that Luke and Lebron. Yeah,

870
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: it's it's a different It's the same sport, but it's

871
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: a different game. Yeah, now that The thing about playing

872
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: with a guy named a guy like Lebron is every

873
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: possession when he kicks out to you, you're expected to

874
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: make that shot, you know, and if you don't, if

875
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: you can't consistently make it, you know, you're under that microscope.

876
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: And now and now they're saying, you know, normally these

877
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: guys are considered pretty good shooters, but you know, it's

878
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,479
Speaker 1: a more pressured shot when it's coming from Lebron because

879
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: he needs you to knock that down, as you know,

880
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: in your role with that team. And now they're saying

881
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 1: that Lakers have you know, shooting woes him major problems

882
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: on the perimeter. Uh where if guys were able to

883
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 1: just relax and shoot their normal shot, you know, I

884
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: think they shoot a higher percentage. It's it's tough to

885
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: playing alongside Lebron, you know, no, no, listen, Chris Bosh. Uh,

886
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 1: Miles Simon is one of my closest friends. I remember,

887
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: you know, he was Chris Bosh's guru and Chris Bosh

888
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: would say, like, look, Lebron's gonna get Lebron has no

889
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: problem passing to people. He and he gives you a

890
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: good path, he gives it to You're right in your

891
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: shot pocket, right where you wanted. But you've better making

892
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 1: the first half or he is not going to pass

893
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: you in the second half like he just he You've

894
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 1: got to earn his trust. If you earn his trust,

895
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: he'll always find you. He does not care, but you've

896
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 1: got to earn his trust. And I think those guys

897
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: are struggling with the level of play being amped up

898
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: and the level of importance of every shot, whether it's

899
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: the pressure of it or the expectations of of Lebron. Now,

900
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,919
Speaker 1: are you a Lebron guy or a Jordan guy? Jordan guy?

901
00:43:54,040 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: What Jordan's the ultimate competitor. Jordan's has that killer instinct.

902
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: I compare Kobe more to Jordan's than I do Lebron

903
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: to Jordan's. Um. I think if they play, if they

904
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: were to played one on one, and I've seen and

905
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: I've seen this, Uh people have brought this up. They

906
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: played one on one, Jordan would win regardless of Lebron's Uh.

907
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: Size advantage. I think Jordan would win because Jordan will

908
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: cut your throat to beat you. I agree with you.

909
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: I'm completely with you. It's it's a way of and

910
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: I think it's it's basketball is so different than anything else,

911
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: especially to basketball players generally. And you tell me if

912
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. Every level I've ever played at, the guy

913
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: who's your best player at the end of the game,

914
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: you give him the ball and sometimes even if it's

915
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: a questionable shot, you have a feeling that he's gonna

916
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 1: take it and he's gonna make it. And Lebron it's

917
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: just different in that he has always been willing to

918
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: let his teammates make those shots, even if he starts

919
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: with the basketball. He's told people like he gets great

920
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: joy out of other guys making shots, other guys win

921
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: winning games. It's just that it's a different sort of wiring.

922
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: And people equated to Magic Johnson, but people good but Magic.

923
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: We had the killer instinct, Dude, Magic would he made

924
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: the biggest guy hook in the lane. And so I

925
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: do think that for the best of the best, like

926
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 1: those guys are licensed killers. And I think I don't

927
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: think Lebron, even though he's made more shots recently. Um,

928
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: I don't think he's wired the same way as those guys.

929
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: And that's why I think a lot of former players,

930
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: plus you know, we we saw Jordans, We lived the

931
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: Jordan thing. We understood all the different shots and ways

932
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: in which guys were draped all over him. The game

933
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: was different. You couldn't play downhill, you couldn't play you know,

934
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: guys were hand checking you, and there was a powerfulward

935
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 1: in the lane as well as the center in the lane.

936
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: And now oftentimes there's nobody in the lane, and so

937
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: it's a much easier path for for him. So it's

938
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: a different sport. But I tend to agree with you.

939
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: All right, here's here's a question, Um, who's better Kevin

940
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: Durant or Lebron James right now? Ah, that's the tough one. Um,

941
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Lebron. Kevin Durant a better scorer,

942
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, He's closing the gap and I would say

943
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 1: that probably equal as far as a defender, Um, Lebron

944
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 1: a little bit of reputation defensively, A little bit reputation

945
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: defensively because he can't guard guards anymore. He doesn't move

946
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: like he used to and he's smartly you're watching now.

947
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 1: He guards a lot of centers, so he can take

948
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 1: some plays off. But you know, I think his story

949
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: right on a money A lot of his block shots

950
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: are from chasing and a lot of his block shots

951
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: come from off the ball where Kevin Durant, she'll get

952
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: on the ball block shots. And he's and you're right.

953
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: You know his wingspan is he's able to slide his

954
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: feet with he moves like a guard. Umh Lebron used

955
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: to move like that, uh, you know, some years some

956
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: years back. But I just think um Lebron's ability to

957
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: guard from the five two some twos you know, UM

958
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: that versatility too, and to be able to to bang

959
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: in the post a little bit, uh and be more

960
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 1: physical than um than k D. I say it's almost

961
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: almost even on the defensive end, but overall and effect

962
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: on the winning uh to go along with those skills

963
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: offensively and defensively, I give the slight edge to Lebron

964
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: right now. Even though Katie's a home guy, homegrown, No,

965
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: I'm asking, I have all homegrown questions for you. Okay,

966
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: here here's one. Are you are you willing to admit

967
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: that that Carmelo is going to ruin the Rockets. It's

968
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: it's looking that way. And I said, and I said

969
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: this on my podcast. My brother was saying that he

970
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: was going to ruin the the Rockets, and I was like,

971
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: you can't as offensively minded as d' antonio and the

972
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: Rockets are that you you've got to think that he's

973
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: gonna add some value to them and uh and give

974
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: Chris Paul some really good options on offense. But you know,

975
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: his lack of defense and his lack of conditioning is

976
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 1: it's glaring right now. And you know, with with Harden out,

977
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: it's it's it's looking bad for the for the Rockets,

978
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: there's you know, they're trying everything they can to get

979
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 1: bring Butler in. Um. I don't know how he is

980
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: as far as the locker room guy. UM. I know that,

981
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: I know that Chris Paul is a is a fiery

982
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: type leader. Um and and I don't know how that's

983
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: working out, but he's he seems to be detrimental to

984
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: that team right now. Yeah, I mean, I I do

985
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: think I actually think some of it. Over the last

986
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: couple of years, there's been more effort defensively. I think

987
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: his body now is kind of shot and he's kind

988
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: of washed. And I also think his game, he was

989
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: the best score in the league. What what Kevin Durant

990
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: is now? He was you could go back five seven

991
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: years ago, but remember he was amazing in the mid range,

992
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: in the post and probably the weakest part of his game,

993
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 1: but he could do it was was shooting the three.

994
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: And now once he's become kind of a secondary or

995
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 1: even tertiary player on offense, it's it's much more about

996
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: shooting jump shots. And that's that's not his game. Like

997
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: his his game takes to give me the ball, get

998
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: out of the way. Yes, and and you know what

999
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: people do understand, right, this is the it's like the

1000
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: hardest part of for you for example, right, and for

1001
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 1: people don't know, Darren was a great I think scoring

1002
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: point guard. Right that you could get the ball and

1003
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 1: you could go get buckets and probably if you were

1004
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: coming out of college now, I think you would have

1005
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: an even better shot of making it. Is that a

1006
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: fair fair way of especially as a backup guard, to

1007
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: come in and just get buckets? Huh Okay. So, so

1008
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: as as the game is evolved, it's kind of evolved

1009
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: in your favorites evolved against him. But the hardest part

1010
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: about making it in the pros when you're when you're

1011
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: coming in as a backup is all of us from

1012
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: the time we started, like fifth grade, sixth grade, we

1013
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: had the ball in our hands a bunch. We had

1014
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: a ton of a volume of touches, a volume of possessions,

1015
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: a volume of opportunities to take shots. And now you

1016
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 1: get to the NBA and you're like, hey, listen, you're

1017
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: gonna play against better players. You're gonna play half as

1018
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: much time as you used to. You're gonna have to

1019
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,959
Speaker 1: shoot from further out against better competition, and you're gonna

1020
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: get a quarter of the shots you used to and

1021
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 1: you got to shoot a higher percentage than That's a

1022
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: really hard he's having to make that adjustment as like

1023
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 1: a thirty whatever he is, thirty three year old man,

1024
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: Like that's thirty four year old, thirty five year old dude.

1025
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: That's really hard to do when you've done one thing

1026
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: what he has been a go to score, get me

1027
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: twenty five shots a game since birth and now the

1028
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: sudden old dog new tricks. It's really really hard to learn.

1029
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: And his body is a little shot and his game

1030
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,439
Speaker 1: doesn't fit the way the Rockets or really the NBA

1031
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:01,919
Speaker 1: is trending. You're right, you can't. It's it's very hard.

1032
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say you can't, but it's very hard.

1033
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: Like you said, to ask a volume shot guy to

1034
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: become a corner three jump shooter and be efficient in

1035
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: a less amount of time with the less amount it's it's,

1036
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: it's it's very hard to do. All right. Did his

1037
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 1: podcast called God of his Caliber? That's that's the leading

1038
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: scoring team USA history. And you know, with all the

1039
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,479
Speaker 1: accolades and the way he's gotten it done in the past,

1040
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: every everybody said, everybody says, hey, I'll sacrifice, I want

1041
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 1: to win a championship. And then all of a sudden,

1042
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 1: you're getting five shots a game and maybe you're out

1043
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: at the end of the fourth quarter. You're like, but

1044
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: that's that's not really the way I saw it playing. Right.

1045
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: Here's here's the most important question that you're going to

1046
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: use on the hot box on your next podcast. The

1047
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 1: best player from the d m V to never make

1048
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: it is who to never make it? Yes? Like, like

1049
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: in California, there's a guy named Jimmy Man, and there's

1050
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 1: Shake Cotton right. Shake Cotton is on the cover Sports

1051
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: Illustrated eighth grade right. And Shay was left handed, beast

1052
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: six five when he was like a freshman in high

1053
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: school and never played the game in the NBA. So

1054
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: when I say didn't make it, you could have made

1055
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: it and played a little bit in college, but made

1056
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: it to the league. And you're like, everybody who grew

1057
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: up around here knows this dude should have made it.

1058
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 1: Whether it was drugs or women, or bad luck or

1059
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: making the decisions off the court, on the court with

1060
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: coaching or whatever. He never made it. Who's Who's your guy?

1061
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: There are a lot of those cases from from from

1062
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: the DC area. This is this is an unbelievable hot

1063
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: bed for basketball. It's a tough question. I would have

1064
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: to say, Um, if I was to go with one,

1065
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: it would be Stacy Robinson Sr. Stacy Robinson's a year

1066
00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: tell me god Heim. As a player, it was McDonald's

1067
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: all Americans, you know, his parade, all Americans, all that

1068
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: out of Dunbar High School here in Washington, d C.

1069
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 1: He was bigger. Phelps called him the best high school

1070
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: player in the country, hands down, coming out of high school.

1071
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: And you know, he had some issue substance abuse issues

1072
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, behavioral things that kept him from

1073
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: you know, even playing in college. So you know it's

1074
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: stopped after high school. And who who It's scary to know,

1075
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: you know how far he would have taken his game

1076
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: if he didn't have those things in place. And it's

1077
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: it's a lot of guys uh like that, but that's

1078
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: the one that would stand out for me, uh first

1079
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: and foremost. Now, now you are super close, you're super

1080
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: close with franchise with Steven Francis, who of course did

1081
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: make it, But I would say the lasting image of

1082
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: Franchise is a guy who didn't live up to his potential.

1083
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: Was it just off the court? Is that? Is that? Why?

1084
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 1: Is it? Why? Why? Why did Steven Francis not last

1085
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: as long in the NBA or have as big an

1086
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: impact as they should have? It was also injury. Um.

1087
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 1: A lot of Steve's game was predicated on athleticism and explosiveness. UM.

1088
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: And you know guys like uh Stadomeyer come to mind,

1089
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: Mcdyce come to mind when they had that micro fracture

1090
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: surgery that takes away their explosiveness. You know the difference

1091
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: between Steve was six to six three on a good night.

1092
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: And these guys were you know, so they can kind

1093
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: of change their game and still be effective. But it's

1094
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: hard when you're um, when you're when you're a guard,

1095
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: an explosive point guard at that and and that is

1096
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: in your game and a lot of that is taken

1097
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: away from you. So I would say, you know, a

1098
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,919
Speaker 1: combination of those two. Yeah, he's bad boy though, whet

1099
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: he Oh my goodness, Yeah, I've he could do some

1100
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: things athletically that I you know, I could only only

1101
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: dream of and have never seen before. We used to

1102
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: work out together in the summertimes, and you know, running

1103
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: a four hundred, he was doing it at track star level,

1104
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: you know, Olympic track star level without stretching. It was

1105
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 1: I had, like I got stories for days, you know that,

1106
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: And I know we're gonna we're gonna tell some of

1107
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: these stories in an upcoming podcasts. You're just a ton

1108
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: of great information. By the way, what's funny about Steve

1109
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: Francis is you'd be like, did he have a good

1110
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: NBA career for like, like, dude average to over twenty

1111
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: game three different years, like for a six three guard.

1112
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: And that's one of those things to which you know,

1113
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: it's it's weird. It's it's like Stephon Marbury, who has

1114
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: like a museum in China, right, Like Stephan Marby was

1115
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: an All Star. Like but Stepan Marbury could have been,

1116
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: you know, a perennial All Star, could have been, but

1117
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: I think he didn't live up to it. And he

1118
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:58,720
Speaker 1: had some of the off the court stuff and also

1119
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: his game was so based on athleticism as well that

1120
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,879
Speaker 1: the lack of development of some of the basketball IQ

1121
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: stuff and when to do what I think, you know,

1122
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: kind of hurt him. But um, Steve Francis was an

1123
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: unbelievable player. Man, what a what a talent? How can

1124
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: someone download your podcast? All right, it's uh, we're right now.

1125
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: We're on Facebook Live. The page is First Amendment Sports

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Speaker 1: with the number one st Amendment Sports. And as soon

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Speaker 1: as you like the page and follow the page, the

1128
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Speaker 1: podcast will come on. We go every Tuesday every Tuesday night. UM,

1129
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 1: we will soon be on UM. Well have have it

1130
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: on our YouTube page as well, UM for everybody to download.

1131
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: But it's it's just it's a great, uh show about

1132
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Speaker 1: the DMV area. UM red Skins, We're all heart Redskin fans, Wizards, nationals,

1133
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: uh in capitals. You know, we just we just got

1134
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 1: to say, are you gonna talk keep you don't, don't

1135
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: don't start talking hockey. Come on, man, you got to

1136
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: talking hockey. Well, our show is the hot Box and

1137
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: it's a it's a basketball they show. We also have, uh,

1138
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:14,240
Speaker 1: we also have other other podcasts on under First Amendment Sports,

1139
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: which our producer, he does a really good job of

1140
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: covering all everything d n V. But but we go

1141
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: national to I like to talk about the NBA as

1142
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: a whole and the whole n C Double A and yeah,

1143
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Speaker 1: we've got the We cover the w C a C

1144
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: which is the Catholic League here and in d d

1145
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: n V UM. So we just got a two year

1146
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: deal to covert that conference. You know, you know all

1147
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: the games that we're gonna be streaming them. So I'm

1148
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: pretty excited about what we got going forward. Well, listen,

1149
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: I'm happy for You'm happy that you're you're helping so

1150
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: many guys trying and fulfill their basketball dreams. More importantly,

1151
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: happy they'd love to catch up. That's because I don't

1152
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: what what you don't know is like I always came

1153
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: in with the mentality. Wherever I was, I struggled to

1154
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: be come be friendly with other guys that played my position,

1155
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, like in college when I was in Oklahoma State,

1156
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: Joe Atkins one of best friends, but he played he

1157
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: played the two guards he played with me, right, So

1158
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: when when you and I were going at it with

1159
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: whether it's in the c BA or with the Oklahoma Storm,

1160
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: we're on the same team. Like, I just struggle with him,

1161
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: Like this guy is so cool to me and he's

1162
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: so nice and I like him so much, but we're

1163
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: fighting for the same minute. It was such a conflict.

1164
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: But but but I I learned from watching you that like, look,

1165
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,439
Speaker 1: you can you can want to kick somebody's ass every

1166
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: day and still be boys with them, right, and and

1167
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: still really really enjoy their presence. But I I will

1168
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: tell you that before I met you, I had never

1169
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: experienced that. And so after our first year with the

1170
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: Storm together, I went and I played in Russia, and

1171
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,919
Speaker 1: I'll never forget the other point guard was the Lithuanian dude,

1172
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 1: and I was like, I want to kick his ass

1173
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: and practice every day, and but I was just trying

1174
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: to be cool, like it didn't and he was having

1175
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: none of it, like none of it. Like he didn't like.

1176
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: He wouldn't look at me, he wouldn't talk to me,

1177
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: he wouldn't shake hands with me. They would speak in

1178
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: Russian about me. And then I learned to speak some Russians,

1179
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: so I knew he was talking on me or whatever.

1180
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: But it was the It was the one thing that

1181
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: I took from you, which is you can absolutely try

1182
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: and be a killer and earned minutes for somebody in

1183
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: practice or in games, and still just be a good

1184
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: dude afterwards, because we all just love ball and love

1185
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: to hang out. And it's something that I I try

1186
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: and share with other people that I learned about being

1187
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 1: a true professional. For sure, you hit the nail on

1188
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: the head man. I've I've played so many places just

1189
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: like you. And you know that I've I've got teammates

1190
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: that you know, I still keep in contact with and

1191
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: you know, for great relationships with. You know, we played

1192
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: with some great talented guys, even at the same position.

1193
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: You know, your Randy Livingston, You're the Wan, we Rusty LaRue,

1194
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: guys like that. You know that we're all great players,

1195
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: And think about it, we all played that that same position.

1196
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: And I'm still you know, in contact and and you know,

1197
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,439
Speaker 1: just just goes to show even if we still stay

1198
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: in contact and I've been following what you're doing, you're

1199
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: doing great things. Then you know, I'd like to catch

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01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: you up on a lot of the stuff that I've

1201
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: been doing as well. So all right, thank you for

1202
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: having Yeah, well we'll do that offline. I do will

1203
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 1: tell you this about Randy Rutherford. You know, you and

1204
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: I did battle. We battled off like thirteen dudes to

1205
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: make the Oaklahoma to make the Idaho Stampede. Right, you've

1206
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: played there the year before and Aubrey Reese was hurt,

1207
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: so you and I kind of made the team. We

1208
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: did team pictures. I don't know if you remember this.

1209
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:26,439
Speaker 1: We did team pictures of the Downtown Arena. And Brian Gates,

1210
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: who is now an assistant with the with the with

1211
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: the King's Right, he calls me. He's like, yo, dude, Yo,

1212
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: You and d Clinton you're are guys. You made it. Like,

1213
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: why don't you and Angie get together? My girlfriend who

1214
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: was now his wife, driving up from Oklahoma like you

1215
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: we can share you hauls like straight bet right, So

1216
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: we go and we take the we take the team

1217
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 1: picture and I looked down at that little La vomitorium.

1218
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: We're dudes walk on and off the court, and I

1219
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: see this tall dude and I was like, that's Randy Livingston.

1220
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: I just got cut. And we go and play the

1221
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 1: College of Southern Idaho and where it was gonna be.

1222
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: It was a scrimmage right before you're gonna play opener.

1223
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, I go from like battling

1224
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: you for minutes to not even taking off the sweats.

1225
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 1: And I was like, dude, why didn't they Why did

1226
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: they take me on this trip if they weren't even

1227
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 1: gonna play me? And yeah, so, but I love Randy

1228
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: to death. Uh he was. He was one of those

1229
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: guys that I know he made it to the league.

1230
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: But man, if he hadn't heard his knee at ABC

1231
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: D camp, what what what could have happened? We gotta run, Darren,

1232
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: thanks so much for doing us. Love what you're doing

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01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: in the d MB, and we'll talk to you real soon. Hey,

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Speaker 1: thanks thanks for having that's hit for all ball. Remember

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Speaker 1: It's three to six Eastern time, twelve three Pacific in

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Speaker 1: the meantime. Next week we'll do a recap of that

1240
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: incredible showdown in the Annapolis. What we make for the

1241
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 1: elite programs in college basketball, seeing them bang heads on

1242
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 1: on on the hardwood floor for the first time. I'm

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Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb. This is all ballot