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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Norah Jones and today I'm playing along with

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Speaker 1: a Nushka Shankar, my sister.

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Speaker 2: I'm just playing long with you. I'm just playing lone

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Speaker 2: with you.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Nora with me as always is Sarah Oda. Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: We have a very special episode today because we are

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Speaker 3: keeping it in the family.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is special. Our guest today is a Nushka Shankar.

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Speaker 1: She's an amazing, brilliant, world renowned star player, and she

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Speaker 1: also happens to be my sister. Yes, we are half sisters,

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Speaker 1: and we have kind of an interesting story which we'll

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Speaker 1: get into a little but we basically both grew up

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Speaker 1: as only children and then we met when we were

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Speaker 1: sixteen and eighteen. I was eighteen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this episode was so cool because you know, I've

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Speaker 3: known you for a long time, a long long time,

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Speaker 3: and its like I know that your sister is a

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Speaker 3: big part of your story, you know, and but I've

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Speaker 3: only kind of gotten bits and pieces over the years,

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Speaker 3: but like to hear you and her talk to each

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Speaker 3: other about those early stories about when you first reconnected

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Speaker 3: and everything is so special because you know, you each

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Speaker 3: kind of went on your own path and then met

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Speaker 3: in this way that's just so unique.

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Speaker 1: It is unique to us. We've also been close since

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Speaker 1: we've since we reconnected, and you know, we love each

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Speaker 1: other a lot. I love her so much. Also, she

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Speaker 1: is one of the most incredible musicians.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 3: She's a virtue chuoso. I was gonna say she's virtuostic,

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Speaker 3: but I don't think that's a word.

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Speaker 1: That's so funny. Virtuostic virtuoso.

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Speaker 3: She's a virtuostick sitar player.

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Speaker 1: She's definitely a virtuoso.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's a master.

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Speaker 1: She's a master of the instrument and music in general.

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Speaker 1: I get to ask her about something that we've actually

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Speaker 1: instrument at a very young age from our dad, who

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Speaker 1: was a very famous and brilliant sitar player. His name

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Speaker 1: was Ravi Shankar in case you don't know that, So

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Speaker 1: kind of hearing that story from her was special. But

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Speaker 1: she also comes from a very different way of learning music.

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Speaker 1: So we had some interesting talks about how we think

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Speaker 3: She's a good teacher.

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Speaker 1: I mean, she's an incredible musician, and we've got to

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Speaker 1: play music a few times together on a few of

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Speaker 1: her albums, but to sit in a room like this

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Speaker 1: and just play was super fun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this was like the first time you kind of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really special for us.

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Speaker 3: She's also been nominated for nine Grammys and was the

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Speaker 3: first Indian musician to perform on the Grammys, which she

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, she's She's definitely been there a lot, and

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Speaker 1: we had fun on this trip. Actually, we were in

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Speaker 1: if she was going to go or not. And I

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Speaker 1: had not seen her since twenty nineteen, so for me

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Speaker 1: in La together, it was really an intense like power hang.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like a power glam hang.

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Speaker 1: It was like a girl girl time. We sat in

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Speaker 3: Half super glamorous and then half like in the jammis.

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Speaker 3: I also love that she requested to do a song

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Speaker 3: from your one of your early albums.

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Speaker 3: Which I'm not going to say what it is. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I hope you enjoyed this episode. I love her

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Speaker 6: I think you love her now too.

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Speaker 1: Well, you spent a lot of time with her that week,

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Speaker 3: It's always quick and in passing related. Yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we had so much fun, and please enjoy the

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Speaker 1: episode with the beautiful and the amazing anushkashenkr.

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Speaker 4: This said there now nine years.

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Speaker 8: The sun won't say.

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Speaker 4: Than now nine years.

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Speaker 9: Golden numbers spinning bend, The day is almost I wonder.

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Speaker 4: How it falls the neatly evening, sir.

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Speaker 5: Each sunset keeps me still.

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Speaker 10: The tree, shets it sleeps our when the evening chill

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Speaker 4: See the sun won't say than now.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, the sun wall said than now ninety.

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Speaker 9: Sam bel all the trees starting to get close, holding

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Speaker 4: During the day we go and this the morning.

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Speaker 9: Far upon mahings, I wish tell you there it's always

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Speaker 11: And now.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, the suns.

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Speaker 4: I know, ny, then.

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Speaker 12: The sun won't save.

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Speaker 11: God.

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Speaker 5: Now nice the son sad night.

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Speaker 1: How do you feel about unresolving?

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Speaker 6: Do you ready to do or not to d Is

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Speaker 6: that what you said? The story of my life?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 1: My god, I thought that was really pretty.

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Speaker 6: It was really pretty.

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Speaker 1: I screwed up some of the phrasing, but I feel

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Speaker 6: I was like, oh, she could have kept Yeah, she

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Speaker 1: I thought that was really pretty.

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Speaker 6: The fact that you did it meant that it was beautiful.

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Speaker 6: That's jazz baby different.

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Speaker 6: I thought that I liked that little ending I did resolve, though.

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Speaker 6: Are you happy with the fact that I.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, okay, I thought that was so pretty.

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Speaker 6: It felt it to me. Yay, so hi, Hello, I

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Speaker 6: love you.

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Speaker 1: I usually end the podcast.

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Speaker 6: With I love you, but start with it. You can

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Speaker 1: I feel like this is so special for me to

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Speaker 1: because we've recorded I feel like we recorded these songs

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Speaker 1: how long ago twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 6: I mean exactly ten years ago. Exactly ten years ago, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And this was a fun session because we got

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I remember that, But that was funny because

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Speaker 6: that was only ten years ago in another sense, and

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Speaker 6: it was our first time sort of sitting in a

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Speaker 1: And we and we hung out and wrote one of

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Speaker 6: I wrote words and you made them sound good.

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Speaker 1: It was amazing, and the really emotional words, if I can,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't remember remember one change that you

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Speaker 6: You were just really gently like, how about we just

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Speaker 1: Have been we'll play that song later. Yeah, you'll have

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Speaker 1: I don't know, that's so crazy. I remember. Do you

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Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, I mean slightly significant.

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Speaker 1: Very significant. And I just want to describe to you

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Speaker 1: how I felt when I saw you. You were sixteen

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Speaker 6: It was heavy. We don't have to get too heavy here,

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Speaker 11: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: But you walked into the room you got you got

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you were already there.

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Speaker 6: I love you. Do you remember that before the day

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Speaker 6: mad at you? Why would you even ask that? Of course,

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Speaker 6: I get time I'm mad at you. Like I'm mad

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Speaker 1: That's hilarious. Yeah, yeah, I don't remember.

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Speaker 6: And you gave me a Doctor Seuss book that day.

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Speaker 6: You gave me. You gave me The Places You'll Go.

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, you.

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Speaker 1: Found it recently. Ye sent me a picture that the

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Speaker 1: little inscription was really sweet. I used to be thoughtful

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Speaker 6: I haven't had anything with your writing on it to me, and.

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Speaker 1: I'm Heaven's I'm the worst birthday remember, as you know

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Speaker 1: on the planet. I also don't care about my own birthday,

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Speaker 1: So I think that's why I like.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, oh my god, you just made it so

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Speaker 6: selfish on my part. Now I know why I remember

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Speaker 6: people's birthdays, because you care about I'm obsessed with my own. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I think that's how it is.

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Speaker 1: I know some people say they're more givers than receivers,

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Speaker 1: but do you think most people know you.

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Speaker 6: And your birthday? Yeah? Yeah, Oh that's so sweet though,

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Speaker 6: we were sweet.

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Speaker 1: We were so sweet.

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Speaker 6: I think we had to be so intentional about building

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Speaker 6: I want you, choose you. Yeah, yeah, because we could

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Speaker 1: It's not like we were ever going to live together.

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Speaker 1: And you're better at that than I am. But it's

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Speaker 6: But why I find fun. I mean, I want you

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Speaker 1: It was really fun. We had a ball, We did

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we were grown. We were grown women. So if

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Speaker 6: Talk and so let's play music. Which one do you

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Speaker 6: I was so you know what I mean. I just

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Speaker 1: I have too. I didn't write the song. This song

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Speaker 6: Well you make it your.

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Speaker 1: Lee wrote it. Lee Alexander and Richard Julian you know

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Speaker 6: It for a movie.

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Speaker 1: Did you know that.

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Speaker 1: They wrote it for a Rob Ryaner movie starring Kate Hudson,

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Speaker 1: Remember right, it's the second one is called Sarah. Can

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Speaker 6: Yeah, my head's going to a lot of romantic comedies.

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Speaker 6: But I don't think. Yeah, they wrote ones.

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Speaker 1: They wrote it for that movie and it was in

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Speaker 6: I didn't know that we did, like a different version

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Speaker 1: It was on my second album. Yeah, I love it, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And it was just a I think, you know, I

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Speaker 6: There's something in there, there is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think there is. So I don't know

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Speaker 6: Well, I love it, Let's try it, Let's tune for it. Oh,

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Speaker 1: The tuning thing is intense.

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Speaker 6: Tuning thing is intense for situations like this where I

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Speaker 6: But otherwise it's like you can't be doing that yeah

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Speaker 1: Like when our dad would perform, didn't people clap at

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Speaker 6: That's like the story right, mm hmmm. I think that's

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Speaker 6: the concert for Bangala Dish recording that it's like on

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Speaker 1: I hope you like that's so funny, all right?

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Speaker 1: I just want to make sure we're in the same

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Speaker 4: And no, SI say?

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Speaker 9: Man is one star ragon long enoughty?

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Speaker 12: Those sweet words? What did you say?

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Speaker 9: The end of the day?

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Speaker 4: The hour head has smoke.

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Speaker 1: Before the night stone.

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Speaker 5: I just have.

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Speaker 9: Those sweet words spoken lack mellowly.

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Speaker 5: All you love.

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Speaker 4: Rise enough.

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Speaker 6: B Come on he.

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Speaker 12: Did you have a hard time sleeping.

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Speaker 9: Because the heavy moon's keeping me awake?

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Speaker 12: And all nooys I'm discribed to see? Okay, seem alone.

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Speaker 12: Rising through.

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Speaker 4: The after.

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Speaker 11: And then you pe.

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Speaker 4: What did you say? And no saw singing?

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Speaker 11: But ma's a long.

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Speaker 9: Those sweet words spoken lack of mellowy. I just wanna

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Speaker 12: I just swoan hee.

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Speaker 4: Sweet wood.

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Speaker 6: I love that.

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Speaker 12: I know he yay.

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Speaker 6: And also that way your song sounds like different for

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's like it's like I love hearing you

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Speaker 6: Cool, that was so pretty. Thank you your song is

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Speaker 1: Oh well my song that I didn't write.

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Speaker 6: Your song, but you didn't write but you make yours.

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Speaker 1: But I make mine. Yeah, I think when I sing that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it always really like I want to sing.

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Speaker 1: Like like like lot that one guest, but I can't

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Speaker 6: So I kind of you do in a different way,

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Well, whatever you do, it's working, So keep doing

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Speaker 13: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but I love when you did that, even when

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Speaker 6: I feel like you hit a lot of those inflections

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Speaker 6: it's nice to hear it as you you know.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, Well, yeah that's the goal, right, But yeah, the

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Speaker 6: Neither can I.

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Speaker 6: I started playing? I remember my first lesson was when

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Speaker 1: But did you understand at seven the gravity of learning

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Speaker 6: I wondered if subliminally, even that kind of slight resistance

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Speaker 6: But also there was a way to it of some kind.

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Speaker 1: You weren't sure what it was.

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Speaker 6: I wasn't sure what it was, but if I look back,

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Speaker 6: weight to it, as much as they tried not to

455
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 6: have it be too bad.

456
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: But you're so young. I just wonder how much of

457
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: it sunk in.

458
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,479
Speaker 6: I think those first couple of years it was, you know,

459
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 6: scales and songs and playing. And then as it got

460
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 6: a little better at it, like as happened so often,

461
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 6: I started enjoying it more as well. So I don't

462
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 6: think I was like in any way contemplating it or

463
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 6: serious about it until I was like ten or eleven twelve.

464
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 1: But what a strange thing to have him be your

465
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: teacher from such a young age.

466
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 6: Well, I mean strange.

467
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: I'd also like lucky. No, no, no, I don't mean it's

468
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: strange in about way. I mean it's super lucky and

469
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: incredible of course. But what I mean is like your

470
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: dynamic as him being your dad, like also being your

471
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: because in this kind of music, it's not just like casual.

472
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: It's very respects oriented and teacher student hierarchy, isn't it.

473
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, there is. I mean there's a there's a sort

474
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 6: of if you go back to like the more traditional setup,

475
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 6: like there's a whole sort of philosophy and lifestyle or

476
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 6: spiritual path even that comes along with learning from a

477
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 6: group like a teacher. And that's why they call it

478
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 6: your group guru. And so whether that's in my instrument

479
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 6: or in another instrument or in another field, it's that

480
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 6: same element of you, like you are learning something that's

481
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 6: being passed on to you in an oral tradition. So

482
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 6: it's like a living lesson that's being given to you

483
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 6: from this person. So it's very precious, but biproxy, so

484
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 6: is that person. So there is a kind of veneration

485
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 6: or respect for that, and you.

486
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 1: Should have that for your father anyway. Yes, but you know,

487
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: I'm so casual in that way with my teacher in

488
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 1: my parents, but I remember that.

489
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 6: When you when you started coming around, because when you

490
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 6: would come and stay with us, you just automatically had

491
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 6: a different kind of immediacy and comfort level with him

492
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 6: in the way you hung out with him, which would

493
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 6: make me realize in turn that I'd absorbed some of

494
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 6: that formality even though we were like super cleatly super close,

495
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 6: But there was just something slightly different about the way

496
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 6: I was with him then with my mom for example.

497
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: Exactly, which yeah, to be which I think is is

498
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: just very interesting.

499
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's fascinating. I think in that culture it's really common,

500
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 6: like music or any craft is so often passed down

501
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 6: from a teacher to their children, like to a point

502
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 6: that it goes too far. Like I think a lot

503
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 6: of people get really protective of their craft and their

504
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 6: family business to their children only. Yeah, which luckily Boppy

505
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 6: never did, like our dad never did that. But so

506
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 6: I guess I had a lot of references of other

507
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 6: people that were doing a similar thing.

508
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: That's right. I remember some of those people.

509
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, and so I could talk about that with them

510
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 6: a little bit sometimes. And also I think he like

511
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 6: to give him credit. He also didn't want it to

512
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 6: kind of ruin, Yeah, the father daughter's side of things.

513
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 6: So he did put some effort into, like I'm sure

514
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 6: building some boundaries around, like we're in the music room now,

515
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 6: that's we're in the living room.

516
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: Because I didn't know if he was conscious of that,

517
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: but it never seemed I never felt any formality between

518
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 1: you guys personally. I just I know that, like it's

519
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: a strange dynamic for me to imagine. Yeah, yeah, strange,

520
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: not bad, strange, just strange, just different.

521
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 6: Strange, unusual.

522
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, strange can be a loaded word, that's cool. And

523
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: then and then how old were you when you did.

524
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 6: Your first show? Oh my god, I was thirteen and

525
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 6: it was in front of like two and a half

526
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 6: thousand people. Oh my god, it was horrific.

527
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: So when did the idea start getting floated that you.

528
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 6: With the context It was that it was our dad's

529
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 6: seventy fifth birthday. Okay, so they started planning like a

530
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 6: big concert to just celebrate that and like have a

531
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 6: lot of his students from around the country like common perform.

532
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 6: So they started rehearsing like this big ensemble pees and

533
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 6: all the students that could be available to come came

534
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 6: and so given that context, I was sitting right there

535
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 6: next to everyone in the rehearsals, and I remember my

536
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 6: mom kind of coming to me at some point, going,

537
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 6: do you do you want to take part? Like are

538
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 6: you wanting You're also his student, you're his younger student.

539
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 6: And I kind of said yes with a bit of

540
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 6: like wonderment and confusion, like yeah, sure, Wait what can

541
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 6: I say? How what? So I kind of plugged into

542
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 6: the group rehearsals and started playing the group songs that

543
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 6: we were all playing together. But then they had everyone

544
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 6: put their instruments down in the middle and I had

545
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 6: like a solo because it was like my announced.

546
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was like you're coming out party Jesus.

547
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 6: Yes, it was very much like that.

548
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: That sounds so stressful, but I was really stressful. So cool.

549
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 6: I was so panicked, like beforehand.

550
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: So you were you let all that stress was there?

551
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 6: It was there. It was it was like the first

552
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 6: time in my childhood that I remember that feeling of

553
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 6: like I didn't know you could feel your own heartbeat,

554
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 6: you know, it's like feeling like it's going to beat

555
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 6: out of your chest. And I was like, Oh, is

556
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 6: this what being really really nervous is?

557
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is kind of nuts.

558
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 6: It was kind of nuts.

559
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: And then after that, was it just sort of you

560
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: were always playing with him?

561
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 6: Or was it within the Over the next year, I

562
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 6: did a couple more shows with him that were sort

563
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 6: of convenient nearby, like near where we grew up, where

564
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 6: I grew up in San Diego, so there was like

565
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 6: an LA show in a San Francisco show. But then

566
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 6: over the year that just felt really good, and I

567
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 6: started doing all his shows with him.

568
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: And did you get when did you start getting really

569
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: excited about doing it through that process?

570
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 6: Like I think for me, because it's such a it's

571
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 6: such an improvised form of music, and also because it's

572
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 6: taught from person to person, this stage ended up becoming

573
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 6: like this beautiful extension of our of our lessons at home.

574
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 6: So I was still learning, but I was learning in

575
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 6: this kind of really heady and beautiful heightened context, right.

576
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: And also to be sitting with him as a performer,

577
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: there was.

578
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 3: So much special.

579
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 6: There was so much learning from being up close to

580
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 6: him on stage.

581
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, really was.

582
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 6: That was a huge part of made me fall in

583
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 6: love with it totally.

584
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, like I hate rehearsing, but playing live it's

585
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: like there's always something special happens.

586
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 6: Yeah. So I didn't feel like practicing at home, yeah, exactly.

587
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: So it was really with the tuner on. Yeah, And

588
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: so like.

589
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 6: That was a few years, you know, through high school,

590
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 6: so leading up to turning eighteen like that, all those

591
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 6: years I did almost all his shows and then I

592
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 6: finished high school and it was like, well, I guess

593
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 6: this is what I do.

594
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: What I do, But you put out an album in

595
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: high school?

596
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 6: Still, right, Oh my god, Yeah I did. My first

597
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 6: album was came out in my senior year. I think,

598
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 6: oh my gosh.

599
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, was that exciting or was that kind of like,

600
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: well it.

601
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 6: Was whatever, super exciting. No, it was really exciting. I

602
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 6: loved the idea that I was going to get to

603
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 6: do that and make music and make a record. And

604
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 6: also it was the nineties and things still happened a

605
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 6: certain big record label kind of way. Yeah, it's still

606
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 6: felt excited Yeah. It felt like being swept up into

607
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 6: this amazing whirlwind, you know. And it was a.

608
00:31:58,920 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: Straight Indian classicool.

609
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 6: It was purely and that's all you did then. Yeah,

610
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 6: So that and then the next two records were like

611
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 6: purely Indian classical. But I remember like when it was

612
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 6: coming out. Do you remember Blockbuster stores? So there was

613
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 6: like a Blockbuster that was on the way from my house,

614
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,239
Speaker 6: I remember it to my high school, and so there

615
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 6: was like a month or a week, I can't remember,

616
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 6: but there was like some period of time where my

617
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 6: face was like on the window of the Blockbuster that

618
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 6: we would all see as I got to high school.

619
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 6: And so that was like the first time that things

620
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 6: my world's kind of collided, because up until then I

621
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 6: just had my like normal public high school life. And

622
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 6: then I disappeared now and then and go on tour.

623
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 6: And then that year when the record came out, Everyone's like,

624
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 6: why is your face on the.

625
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: Did they even register? Or they like, I mean that

626
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: that's cool.

627
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 6: Both It was weird and cool. Yeah, but yeah, it

628
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 6: was like things sort of clashed in a beautiful way

629
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 6: and it was like, no, this is this is what

630
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 6: I do it. It made it really real because I

631
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 6: just kind of kept it really compartmentalized until then.

632
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, sometimes I feel like that

633
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: about my life. When I go on tour, it feels

634
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: like unless my kids are with me, and sometimes you know,

635
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: I go without them, I feel like it's a double life.

636
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 6: Totally. It was just so different.

637
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just such a different every day is just

638
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: so different than being home and doing life totally. Yeah, Okay,

639
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: and then and then I remember when you started kind

640
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: of searching for different things.

641
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I saw a lot of you that

642
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 6: year when I started making Rise, which was my fourth album,

643
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 6: but it was the first one that I wrote and

644
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 6: produced myself. So in a way, I sometimes forget to

645
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 6: count my first three. I mean, I count that I

646
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 6: know what you mean. That one felt like my first baby,

647
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 6: you know.

648
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it felt like your first baby. I mean, did

649
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: you feel I feel like I'm My impression was that

650
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: you had a lot of anxiety about trying to venture

651
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,959
Speaker 1: out on your own and not just follow exactly what

652
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: you were taught. Totally right.

653
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, But I think whereas now, you know, obviously it's

654
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 6: many years later, but like there's a certain comfort to

655
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 6: just making music. However, feels like truthful to me.

656
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: It makes sense now, but then then it is to

657
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: kind of step.

658
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 6: Out of the only context I'd been in. But know that,

659
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 6: like as a person that wasn't the whole meet Like

660
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 6: I grew up learning this traditional music that I loved

661
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 6: so deeply, but I also was this whole other person

662
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 6: that had grown up, you know, around the world and

663
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 6: listened to all kinds of music and you know, went

664
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 6: to music festivals and just had a lot of influences

665
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 6: raves I went. I was a little psychedelic transhead, Like

666
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 6: I spent my winters in go whenever I could, and

667
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 6: I was at like crazy three day drouts parties, you know.

668
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 6: So that was a big part of my life. And

669
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 6: so I really did want to make music that reflected

670
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 6: my soul and who I was a bit more. But

671
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 6: it also felt really scary stepping out for the first time.

672
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt that for you and from you. Yeah,

673
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: And I was so excited for you too.

674
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 6: You guys named that record, Do you remember?

675
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Speaker 7: I do?

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00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 1: I remember? I think lead is Yeah.

677
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Speaker 6: I came to your house like the day at mastered it,

678
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 6: and we came and listened on your amazing Oh yes,

679
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 6: because once again I was audio fiah, but it was

680
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 6: a very different context, like once again I'm visiting my

681
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 6: big sister in New York and her like amazing more

682
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 6: grown up life. But now it was like your whole

683
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 6: new life.

684
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I have money.

685
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 6: So it was this amazing place and this incredible music system,

686
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 6: and yeah, I just got to sit and listen to

687
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 6: the record with you guys, and I had like no

688
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 6: time left to name it.

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00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: That's right.

690
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 6: And he was just leaning back, right, Lee was like

691
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 6: leaning back and listening to music, and suddenly out of nowhere,

692
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 6: he was like rise.

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Speaker 1: Did he pick a word from a song?

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Speaker 6: It wasn't any of the song names. He just said rise,

695
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 6: and I will give you like that like a little

696
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 6: like a Buddha. Yes, so yeah, thanks for that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's so funny.

698
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Speaker 7: Yah.

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00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved whenever that was all happening. You know,

700
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: it was exciting to watch. I think it's so exciting

701
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 1: to watch young artists who you see at a young age,

702
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: and it's so exciting to see them grow into who

703
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: they become. And like you see that with these young

704
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: pop stars sometimes they grow up to be like incredible

705
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: artists that you just it's totally yeah, you just watch

706
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: them become that before your eyes.

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Speaker 6: In this last decade, where like the way people can

708
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 6: reach with music, I feel like we see more people

709
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 6: who just start that way where they're building their own

710
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 6: identity in their room with their little true set up,

711
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 6: and they can just come out kind of being themselves.

712
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 6: And I admire that so much. But I also, like

713
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 6: you say, like I love seeing people like break out,

714
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 6: like whether it's the kind of the Disney stars or

715
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 6: whoever exactly. So they're already successful, they're already making there's

716
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 6: super talent, but you see the moment where they kind

717
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 6: of find themselves within what they're doing and bring that

718
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 6: and infuse it into what they're doing. It's really beautiful.

719
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's like it's like everyone growing

720
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: up and becoming more yourself, even in life. But I

721
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: just love it in music. I love seeing it happen.

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Speaker 6: Well, you did it in a pretty brave way, I think, like, oh,

723
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 6: really leaving school and going to New York and kind

724
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Speaker 6: of making that decision for music.

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Speaker 1: Did you know that I was? I don't know if

726
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: you know this, you might tell me. I did two

727
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: years of jazz college, right, and then at the end

728
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: of the second year, I had to take eight or

729
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: six semesters of classical piano.

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Speaker 6: Is that when you play.

731
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: I had not started yet until the end the last

732
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 1: semester of the second year, and I had this awesome teacher.

733
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: She was so cool and an incredible human, but I

734
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: think she liked me a lot, and she knew that.

735
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: She's like, you're gonna cram and really practice. When it

736
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: got closer to the jury, right, I was like, yeah, totally,

737
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 1: and I did not. I failed my classical jury. I

738
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: didn't know that, and I think, I mean, that's not

739
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: the only reason I dropped out of college, but I

740
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: think it being faced with eight semesters of classical piano,

741
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: which was just not what I was I'm sure it

742
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: would have made me a better pianist, but it's not

743
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: what my heart wanted to be focusing on. And I

744
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: was already doing gig and stuff and I was so

745
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: into this other kind of making music. I think that

746
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: was a big part of it. I just knew I

747
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: couldn't do it.

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Speaker 6: I love that you share that because I just think

749
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 6: for someone listening as well to know that, like someone

750
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 6: like you, but you failed, and then like you found

751
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 6: your music, You know what I mean. I think that's

752
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 6: really beautiful.

753
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: That well, it's funny too, because I'd never failed at

754
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: music before, because it was always good at it, and

755
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: I was always like, you know, the person who got

756
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: the solo or like the person who could figure out

757
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: the cord first.

758
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Speaker 6: Maybe let me let me reframe what I'm what I'm thinking.

759
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 6: I mean, which is that like, at least especially in

760
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 6: the UK for example where I live now, like the

761
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 6: education system for music just gets continually more and more formalized,

762
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 6: more and more pedantic, more and more kind of uniform,

763
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 6: and I just think it funnels people through this way

764
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 6: that I think can be so disheartening. So I think

765
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 6: to hear that someone like you like failed within that

766
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 6: system because that wasn't the aspect of what you do,

767
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 6: but still could find that, I think that's that's great.

768
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think all of that has good,

769
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: good value. It's not like I don't think that I

770
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: just for me at that time, I could not do

771
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: it totally. But it's funny. Yeah, So he went right,

772
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: I failed, and I cried so hard, and my teacher

773
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: was so sweet. She hugged me, and I think she

774
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: was shocked. That I failed because she was shocked that

775
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: I didn't practice enough. In the end, it was really

776
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: just on practice. Yeah, I just didn't practice. Yeah, but yeah,

777
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: So then I moved to New York and I try

778
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: to figure myself out. Let's try Can we try traces? Yeah,

779
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: i'd love to. I love this song.

780
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 6: I don't know how we're going to do it as

781
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 6: two people.

782
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: I'll just like skip a few or something.

783
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 6: I'm like such a linear musician that I'm like, I

784
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 6: can be really good on my instrument with my two hands,

785
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 6: doing something really precise, and as soon as I just

786
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 6: need to say something like hello at the right time,

787
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 6: I'm like, your time is off, my hand falls apart

788
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 6: my tip. Yeah. Yeah, it's I always look at people

789
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 6: like you and go, how are you doing like four

790
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 6: things at the same time.

791
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm I mean that's why I had that restaurant

792
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: gig in college. It was paid practice. It was coordination practice.

793
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 6: I remember seeing you somewhere that was on like thirty

794
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 6: third and third. Oh, remember that same first trip when

795
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 6: I came to visit you.

796
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: I'm staying at a wine bar and you came.

797
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 6: Yeah, I remember, because I was going to go leave

798
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 6: to see a boyfriend. I remember very well, and I

799
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 6: thought that thirty third and third was really close to

800
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 6: thirty eighth and eighth, and then I was just walking forever.

801
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: I remember this, Yes, I remember those boots.

802
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 6: Actually those boots were not meant for one.

803
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And then I remember it anyway, never mind,

804
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: what was that Imber?

805
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 6: I remember? Oh, I remember what you're not saying.

806
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to say it, but we can cut it.

807
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: I remember late at night, being home from my gig

808
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: and having said goodbye to you, and you were hanging

809
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: out with your boy.

810
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 6: Fella anyway, mind in a little Korean hotel.

811
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: That's right, you were hanging out and you'd realize you'd forgotten.

812
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 1: Oh you had my house to Yorkey's and I didn't

813
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: have them. Oh my god. That's so like young young

814
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 1: lady in New York.

815
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 6: Yes, that kind of thing.

816
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: And I had to find you.

817
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, how did you find me?

818
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, because before phone yeah, it's not before

819
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: cell phones.

820
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 6: But I booked that. I booked that hotel by looking

821
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 6: it up in the Yellow Pages.

822
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: How did I know where it was?

823
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 6: That's what I don't know.

824
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: I think because I knew how far you'd walked and

825
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: I knew the streets it was on.

826
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 6: Or did I tell you where I was going to be?

827
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 6: So if I got murdered, you'd know.

828
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: I think you did.

829
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I would have asked.

830
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: I'm very protective.

831
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 6: Yeah, you always were. Yeah.

832
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: I had to go to your hotel like two in

833
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: the morning and get the key. Oh my god. I

834
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: just remember sweating in New York so much, Just like

835
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: doing stuff like that and being drenched in sweat and

836
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: so sexy. Yeah, all right, all right, So Traces of You.

837
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: All right, this is from that album you made after

838
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: our dad died, right yep. And so this whole all

839
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: these songs are very touched by that.

840
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 6: They're very touched by that. I think the ironic thing

841
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 6: about this song Traces of You, is that to me,

842
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 6: originally this one wasn't about him. It was more kind

843
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 6: of universal or spiritual.

844
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 4: It is.

845
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: It's very much like.

846
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 6: A and it's like a prayer song. But because he

847
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 6: passed away while I was making the record, and then

848
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 6: the other two songs you and I wrote together are

849
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 6: about him, this one kind of ended up being in

850
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 6: the same collection. In my fad after a while, I

851
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 6: think so a lot of people heard it and listened

852
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 6: to it as being very much about him, But for me,

853
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 6: originally this song wasn't.

854
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me. The sentiment reminds me of

855
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: I Am missing you in that it could kind of

856
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 1: be anything, but it's also kind of like a prayer.

857
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: It is like a prayer, which is what I like.

858
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 6: That's what I was writing about. Not to be too

859
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 6: like about it, but I love that it was that connection.

860
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: I've written more spiritual songs in the last five years

861
00:42:58,520 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 1: than I ever thought I would.

862
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 6: I know, watching you join me and hit you world

863
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 6: up the last few years, I'm like, hey, Crystals, I

864
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 6: feel like I want to write his gospel. You know

865
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 6: that's beautiful. All right, let's see what happens. There's a

866
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 6: lot of repeats, which actually makes me forget where things are.

867
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 6: So I know, you mean, I'll try. It's tricky, tricky

868
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 6: without that.

869
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I feel like if you could play any

870
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: more rhythm that might be helpful in the verse stuff,

871
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: like just more aggressively.

872
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, I'll do that.

873
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't hear you enough, but I don't know.

874
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: I don't want to get off. I mean, I do

875
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 1: want to get off. That's what fun about your mom?

876
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 6: Uh huh, your mom, not my mom.

877
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: I think it's funny that we were like teenagers. We

878
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: used to make all these your mom jokes because.

879
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 6: We didn't have the same mom, because it was like

880
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 6: your mom, yeah, your mom.

881
00:43:54,920 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 13: Yeah, Okayists.

882
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 11: Are like.

883
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 9: Joy said h lingalagaing Drama, fresh Body.

884
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 12: They beliod class sounds, body Lingalaica tin drama, like.

885
00:45:31,800 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 9: Besbahart sa Fian they belied sounds, Body, Jasons being along

886
00:46:10,120 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 9: to best Bonny babyl add choices, Oh Lame, the lago Vershaba,

887
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 9: Hot seats for you play.

888
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 12: With La Class.

889
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 4: Sounds po.

890
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: I loved your intro on that thank you.

891
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a raga called which just has like those

892
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 6: five notes.

893
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 11: What is it?

894
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 4: Yeah?

895
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, so no second and no fifth. I just think

896
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 6: it has so much space for that's so nice. It's

897
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 6: really yearning and like yeah, I just I love it.

898
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 6: And it was so funny because when we wrote Traces

899
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 6: of You, I actually wrote the whole melody on the

900
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 6: cithar in that ruga, and then Nit then started playing

901
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,919
Speaker 6: guitar under and just suddenly was playing chords like really

902
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 6: focused on the fifth and it just cracked me up

903
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 6: because it works so well. But I was like, Okay,

904
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 6: I guess we're not in that rug.

905
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: I guess we're not gonna avoid the fifth.

906
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 6: That's that's why my soul I'm like, oh, hang it, okay.

907
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: Well, that's kind of what I like about that song

908
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: is that it I couldn't figure out what he was

909
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: playing first of all, and then I like how it

910
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: just kind of cycles through stuff, but then you can

911
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: change it and it's over the same thing.

912
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 6: It's a weird one to teach a band. Yeah, every

913
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 6: time you started to say, okay, so there's an A,

914
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 6: then a B, and an A and a B. But

915
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 6: then I'm playing the B and you're playing the A

916
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 6: and it slops around cyclical but it's like, yeah, random,

917
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 6: it just flips.

918
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. I liked that though. I love that kind of stuff.

919
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,439
Speaker 6: Deceptively simple, yeah, which which please is my complicated brain,

920
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 6: because I'm like, we're pretending it's able, but actually.

921
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: It's a very complicated. You do have a complicated brain.

922
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 6: I have a complicated brain. I also over complicate everything. Oh,

923
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 6: you're a really good at problem doing. I disagree. I

924
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 6: think we have the same prop Sarah Sarah would disagree

925
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 6: strongling with you. All I know is like all my

926
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 6: tour manager friends say we're the best, like musical tour

927
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 6: managed people.

928
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: Well, we're very on top of things, yes, but sometimes

929
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: it's we're so on top of it that we overthink

930
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: the future and all the scenarios that may.

931
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 6: Make it's keeping. But I think that comes from your

932
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 6: ears of touring, like you're just I'm just automatically scanning

933
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 6: and preparing for like this is going to not be there,

934
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 6: So if I'm traveling for something, it'll be like what

935
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 6: do I carry in my hand luggage for if my

936
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 6: luggage doesn't exact arrive two citaris stuff I need in

937
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 6: each citar box. Like there's just always planning.

938
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: Like the terminator scanning your future.

939
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 6: For Yeah, I literally say it, though it's like something

940
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 6: complicated happens in life, like maybe there's like a lot

941
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 6: to manage with two different kids diaries or whatever, and

942
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 6: it's like I'm gonna dour manute.

943
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: I bet your your home home calendar for the kids

944
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: is very well thought out. It's beautiful.

945
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 6: I bet it's color coded color.

946
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: God, can you do one for me?

947
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 6: Yeah? Maybe would you follow it?

948
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 11: Though?

949
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't make it. I wouldn't actually confession I

950
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: own a laminator, a laminator, I bought a label maker maker,

951
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: I never used it. I'm like that, like I'll think

952
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: all of these things through, but then I'll end up

953
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 1: not finishing.

954
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, that too. My kids use the label maker more

955
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 6: to just stick things on each other's doors that should

956
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:46,720
Speaker 6: not be said. That's amazing. Yeah. What was that raga

957
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 6: called goney?

958
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: Is that one?

959
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 13: You?

960
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: Okay? So you know me, I really don't know anything.

961
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 1: I still don't completely understand ragas.

962
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 6: Are you gonna ask me to explain them?

963
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: Yes, I am.

964
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 6: It's actually really difficult.

965
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: Well you don't have to. You can give me the

966
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 1: cliff notes version.

967
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 6: So the cliff notes version is that a rugga is

968
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 6: a melody form that isn't a scale or a mode,

969
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 6: or a set of phrases or a song. It's not

970
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 6: any of those things. It can contain all of those things,

971
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 6: Like a ruga is based on a scale, Like every

972
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,919
Speaker 6: rugga has a set of notes that it exists within,

973
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,919
Speaker 6: but you could have tons of ruggas within that same

974
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 6: set of notes. So then you get into more detail,

975
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 6: like different ruggas may have different ascending patterns and descending

976
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 6: patterns that differentiate them from each other. Oh boy, but

977
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 6: then also phrases, recognizable characteristics, and most importantly, beyond all

978
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 6: of those things that you could write down, there's a

979
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,720
Speaker 6: particular mood or a feeling or an association with that rugga.

980
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 6: So you might even have two ruggas that are almost identical,

981
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 6: but one of them is played like in the morning,

982
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 6: in a more solemn, spiritual way, and one is more

983
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 6: romantic and performable with that, you know, So it's really

984
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 6: about like learning the characters of them. And I remember

985
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 6: when like our was teaching me, the thing that really

986
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 6: helped me the most is he would always say, it's

987
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 6: kind of like people, Like when you meet new people,

988
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 6: sometimes they remind you of someone else. So at the beginning,

989
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 6: when you kind of see that person, you're constantly thinking

990
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 6: of the person you know really well, which could be

991
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 6: that other raga. But the more you get to know

992
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 6: that person, they start to exist like fully fleshed in

993
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 6: their own Okay, can you stop thinking about the other person,

994
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 6: So you kind of have to get to know them

995
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 6: to know who they are. So there's like that's why

996
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 6: it's so much an immersion. It's about playing, it's about

997
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 6: playing along with learning from because some aspects of it

998
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 6: just just can't be notated, can't be put.

999
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: That's what makes it so mysterious.

1000
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think yeah, I think so it can be

1001
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 6: really mysterious and elusive to people who are not coming

1002
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 6: from that tradition because it's so hard to step into it.

1003
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 6: Though I guess people who like come from there or

1004
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 6: grow up listening to it, like so many ragas would

1005
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 6: be like really recognizable to people really instantly, even lay

1006
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 6: people who don't play, they'll be like, oh, that's Pelu

1007
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 6: or that's the young uncommy.

1008
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: Because of certain melodies as well.

1009
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 6: Well, I guess yes, some have really recogniz phrases in

1010
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 6: melodais or some are just super popular and therefore a

1011
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 6: lot of popular songs that people grow up knowing or

1012
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 6: hearing are in those raugas so reference them.

1013
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: So it made its way into popular music or Bollywood.

1014
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 6: So just like Western classical music may have been a

1015
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 6: root for jazz for you know, folk music, and then

1016
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 6: you know, like all the kind of the commonalities that

1017
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 6: exist in Western music that like all have evolved from

1018
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 6: each other. It's the same in Indian classical music. So

1019
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 6: even though like Indian pop or film music isn't classical music,

1020
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 6: it's grown and evolved from that root. Okay, so you

1021
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 6: will hear raugas in film music all the time, but

1022
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,919
Speaker 6: maybe they're used in a kind of lighter, more accessible way.

1023
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1024
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, Oh my.

1025
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: God, you're so smart.

1026
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:46,760
Speaker 6: I just said a lot of words.

1027
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 1: You're so good at explaining things. You're so like well

1028
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: explained that. I felt really satisfied by that explanation.

1029
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 6: Good, thank you.

1030
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: That sounds really beautiful though, it's really good. I love

1031
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 1: the mood thing.

1032
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's really beautiful.

1033
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: But you can still play a morning raga in the

1034
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: evening at a concert, for instance.

1035
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 6: That depends on who you talk to, I mean, interesting

1036
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 6: people can be very purist about that.

1037
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: Really.

1038
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 6: There's two main classical styles in India. There's the Hinduslani

1039
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 6: system that developed in the north and the Carnatic system

1040
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 6: in the south, and there are a lot of commonalities.

1041
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 6: But like in South India music, they don't have this

1042
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 6: time of day concept at all. It's just ragas have

1043
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 6: everything that I just told you, minus associations like that.

1044
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 6: So you can hear any rag at anytime Hinduslani music is

1045
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 6: really specific, Like there are sunset ruggas, sunrise rauggas. There's

1046
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 6: even like monsoon ragas, spring ragas, harvest ragas. You know,

1047
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 6: So there are certain things that if people really grow

1048
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 6: up with that it feels jarring to them. To some

1049
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 6: people to hear things at the wrong time. So that's

1050
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 6: why you Occasionally you will have like in music festivals,

1051
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 6: they'll do morning concerts or they'll do all night festivals

1052
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 6: where people perform through the night, so people stay up

1053
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 6: and listen to, like people perform at three am, four

1054
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,439
Speaker 6: am music that you wouldn't hear.

1055
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: That's so crazy.

1056
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 6: It's pretty amazing.

1057
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: Now I'm thinking about being awake at one last night

1058
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: with you and being like, I'm so.

1059
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 6: Much I can't do this. I know, I can't think.

1060
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 6: Like the last time I was at an all night concert,

1061
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 6: I was a kid, and I think they just let

1062
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 6: me fall asleep on the scene.

1063
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: But it's so beautiful if you can, if you can

1064
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: stay up for it. And yeah, my mom told me

1065
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: about a concert she produced for our dad at the

1066
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: cathedral Saint John the Divine.

1067
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, woah, was that the all night one that he did?

1068
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 13: Yeah?

1069
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, and people still talk about those too.

1070
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 11: Me.

1071
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 6: People could come up and be like, I remember when

1072
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 6: your dad played like eight hours through the night, and

1073
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 6: I'm like, I can I can't even imagine. I think

1074
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 6: about like.

1075
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen doing four hour concerts and that that just.

1076
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 6: Makes me tired. Yeah, I even doing that, even if

1077
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 6: I practice, like in rehearsals and stuff.

1078
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:40,280
Speaker 1: Eight hours.

1079
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 6: I'm so impressed with myself. Yeah, I mean, I.

1080
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: Love music, but you have to just get into a zone.

1081
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: It's a meditation. I think it is right, very much so,

1082
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: and then you get carried by the energy of it.

1083
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1084
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: I love that. I don't know if I'll ever be

1085
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 1: able to do it.

1086
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 6: We can love it from afar.

1087
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what do you think is it sacrilegious for

1088
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: me to try to play oh my god not raga

1089
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: with you?

1090
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 6: Because not at all.

1091
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: I didn't know if it was a like a respect thing.

1092
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 1: But can you kind of help?

1093
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1094
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 6: I think for me, I think so there are some

1095
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 6: ragas that get very very nuanced and complex with the

1096
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 6: things we were talking about, like really specific phrases or

1097
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 6: twisty ascending or descending lines, and I think when we

1098
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 6: start playing, we always start with the slightly more scale

1099
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 6: based drugas. So then it's really just about understanding what

1100
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 6: scale that raga belongs to and then finding finding our

1101
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 6: ways to improvise and be as variable as possible, but

1102
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 6: within that limitation, so you wouldn't like modulate or change

1103
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 6: out of that. So like there's loads of pentatonic rugas

1104
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 6: that are really just like That'shupi or there's Durga.

1105
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: And it almost sounds like it's in a different in

1106
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: g Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1107
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 6: And then there's another if we're still indeed, there's one

1108
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 6: called Hamsubun, which is really beautiful, which is.

1109
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 1: That's really free.

1110
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 6: The only thing within this draga that sometimes might happen

1111
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 6: is like a little focus on after anything you've played,

1112
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 6: like to kind of pause on that note and give

1113
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 6: it some stress and then to resolve. So just chuck

1114
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 6: a couple of those in.

1115
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 15: M's so pretty.

1116
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: I like country it up. Well, it's funny because like

1117
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: the thought of doing this, but I don't have Bendi's on.

1118
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 6: But you're so good at that, like.

1119
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: You you make I try to, but it's you know,

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00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: I don't actually have access to those microtones on the piano.

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00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 6: It's fascinating. There's some people like over the years, there's

1122
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 6: like definitely people who've kind of started bringing in Western

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00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 6: instruments into Indian classical music. There's there's any credible cellist

1124
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 6: to play fully classical concerts. But of course that's a

1125
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 6: little easier. Yeah, as far as the Bendy's, Yeah, so

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00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 6: I love our official term, by the.

1127
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: Way, Bendy's. I think I got that from Jackass.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, on the piano, that's hard. But I have

1129
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 6: seen a few people who like really study and like

1130
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 6: just develop their style in a way to be as

1131
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 6: close to it as possible. Like the harmonium is a

1132
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 6: really common instrument accompanying vocalists, and they're crazy, like they

1133
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 6: just yeah, they just do like really fast trails.

1134
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: To Yeah, yeah I remember that.

1135
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's fascinating watching that different technique.

1136
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, yeah, that's so cool. So it starts

1137
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: with a slow bit, which is called the lap.

1138
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 6: If you're playing in a classical it gets you'd introduce

1139
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 6: the ruga in an a lapse, so it's like solo

1140
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 6: rhythm free, just bringing out the character.

1141
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: Okay, and then when do you get to the fast

1142
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: burning stuff?

1143
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 6: Whenever you want? Whenever you want, Really, I.

1144
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: Really want you to play something, just show your range,

1145
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: because it's so insane how fast you can play.

1146
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 6: Oh, Carol, you got some chops. I like, I like

1147
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 6: playing fast. Well you're good now.

1148
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: I like playing I know you do, and you're really

1149
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 1: good at it. So I don't know that I can

1150
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: hang at all, but I could cover like droney bits,

1151
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: but whatever, I want to hear you do something.

1152
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 6: That's so funny because I was like, I'm at like

1153
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 6: Nora levels of like speed right now, I'll come to

1154
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 6: like the relaxed slow songs like love practice that sounded

1155
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 6: so much more insulting than I meant it, but like

1156
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 6: I'm not insulted by it. By being known for slow music,

1157
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 6: I know that about IMiD like melodic, relaxed songs.

1158
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: I know that about myself I have I mean, I

1159
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 1: failed my classical jury. Hello, I have no technique.

1160
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Speaker 6: Because by the way, can we stop that? Because you're amazing,

1161
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 6: Like well, I literally watch your videos with people to

1162
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 6: go like look at her like level of piano playing,

1163
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 6: like your voice is so amazing. I feel like people

1164
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 6: sometimes forget to notice how amazing you're playing is.

1165
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: Thank you. I think I've been able to play a

1166
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: lot more piano lately once they strip my band back

1167
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: to just bass and drum. Yeah, because I used to

1168
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: have like two guitar players in the stage, which was

1169
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: awesome for the music, but I didn't really you know,

1170
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: there wasn't a ton of room. Yeah, I've really been

1171
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 1: going for it.

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01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 6: Like, yeah, I don't feel like there's that many people

1173
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 6: in the world that like play at that level as

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01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 6: an accompaniment to their own singing. It feels like it'll

1175
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 6: usually be someone else there doing that, you know. Yeah,

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01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 6: I think it's amazing.

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01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: Well again, like I feel like I've grown into this

1178
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: thing that I think is unique in my own But

1179
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: I definitely don't have a lot.

1180
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 6: Of chaps that are fast.

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01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,919
Speaker 1: So I don't know how you feel, but I would

1182
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: love to hear something.

1183
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 6: Oh my god, she was sticking that rug up.

1184
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 1: Sure, okay, see, I mean I will barely play. I'm

1185
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: just going to stay out of your way. You can

1186
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: set it up.

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01:01:41,760 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 16: I'll just do like a drumcambers stress.

1188
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 11: Learnt.

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01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 1: What did the hell that?

1190
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 6: I was scared all the time. I was like, I

1191
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 6: don't know what to do.

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01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: Oh that's okay, Yeah, I was thinking about that. You

1193
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: did like a little thing on Instagram last month where

1194
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,439
Speaker 1: you were doing this crazy counting thing.

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01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, like something like that. Okay, thanks, yeah, sorry,

1196
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 6: that's going to let's going to.

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01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: Is it cool that I just drone under it like that?

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01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 5: Yeah?

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01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 6: Can I give you a different thing to do? Yeah?

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01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: So actually I was going to ask about that if

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01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 1: if you're emitting like the fifth from something, does the

1202
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: drone have to change? Then?

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01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 6: I mean, within that context, the tonic would always stay

1204
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 6: the same. So even if you're changing you could move.

1205
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: No, what I mean, did they have to say?

1206
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 6: The dunstays the same. So the kind of tonic always

1207
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 6: stays the same. So when I'm playing with people, like

1208
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 6: in a band, will move chords to give it a

1209
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 6: shape and a feeling, but we're still staying within the notes,

1210
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 6: knowing where the drone is. Like we don't move the

1211
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 6: bottom if you know what I mean, Like I don't.

1212
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 6: I always think of sah in the same place within

1213
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 6: a song.

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01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, what I do?

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01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 6: Can you give me actually, like a more of a

1216
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 6: focus on those notes?

1217
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 14: So we're still in deep, but we're going into like

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01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 14: much come on, So it's.

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01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 6: Like all the notes.

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01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: I've heard you say this so many times and I've

1221
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:44,800
Speaker 1: heard much.

1222
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is now we're going to Laila.

1223
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, now we do much. Yes, really

1224
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: bad impression.

1225
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 6: Every time you say something. He said, you put the

1226
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 6: accent on. It's really funny. Well he had sense, so

1227
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 6: do you.

1228
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: But he didn't have a traditional accent that I think of.

1229
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 6: He didn't really like softened that. It was softened in

1230
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 6: an accent. I guess you did.

1231
01:05:11,520 --> 01:06:15,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, stimulation think.

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01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 11: On the community.

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01:06:27,000 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 7: When atty, Oh my god, that's hilarious.

1234
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you mean all that, like you love

1235
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 6: that stuff? Right then give to me. Yes, it's fine,

1236
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 6: thank you. I think I love just coming to do

1237
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 6: some relaxing signs.

1238
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 1: Sorry you're saying, yeah, I wanted.

1239
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 6: You to play fast. That's cute. I'll play fast for you.

1240
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 4: I love it.

1241
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 6: I'll play slow for you. I'll play medium for I

1242
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 6: love it.

1243
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 1: I've all that is so impressive.

1244
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 6: No, I just think this is the first time you've

1245
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 6: called me to play I know. Yeah, you know why

1246
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 6: why Because I've been wondering for years.

1247
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 1: Now, because this guitar has such a specific sound.

1248
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 6: You know what. That's actually been one of the biggest challenges.

1249
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 1: I was going to ask about that.

1250
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 6: That's something I think about really consciously, and I still

1251
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 6: feel like that's something I want to work on so

1252
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 6: much more because it's so embedded in like people's subconscious

1253
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 6: with the sound that our dads smashed through. Yeah, so

1254
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 6: he kind of created something which is so incredible, but

1255
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:36,719
Speaker 6: that's just set the mold. Like people hear the citar

1256
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 6: and they think of like that popular culture phase.

1257
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's always used as like the incident music

1258
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 1: to a hippie.

1259
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 6: See, so it's like someone goes to India, or someone

1260
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 6: goes to like a tarot card reader or something, you know,

1261
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 6: insert whatever, and it'll be like, you know, magic carpet, incense,

1262
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 6: citar wafting, and it's like so as soon as people

1263
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:59,679
Speaker 6: hear just just that first note and it's like we're

1264
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 6: just the sympathetic. It's just a synthetic strings and you're like,

1265
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 6: oh you know. So actually, like that's something I think

1266
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 6: about really actively, is like how to put it in

1267
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 6: different context. I feel like that's why I keep working

1268
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 6: with so many different band setups, Yeah, because it's like

1269
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:14,719
Speaker 6: what happens when I place it there with an upright

1270
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 6: bass and a piano, or what happens when it's with

1271
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 6: a clarinet and a drum kit, you know, and I

1272
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,799
Speaker 6: just feel like, just continuously putting it in these different spaces,

1273
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 6: it just kind of strips that exotic thing. Yeah, and yeah,

1274
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 6: I really enjoy finding that.

1275
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 1: Well, you're good at finding it. But I wondered if

1276
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 1: you felt ever frustrated by this sound being so not

1277
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 1: only like so generalized by people, but also just it's

1278
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 1: a very specific sound.

1279
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 6: It's a very specific sound. I feel like I really

1280
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,680
Speaker 6: enjoy writing for other people as well because then I

1281
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 6: get to think outside of my specific sound. And obviously

1282
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 6: I've usually done that more in my own projects, but

1283
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 6: I would really love to develop more in that in

1284
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 6: that way, like you know, composing for other stuff. Yeah,

1285
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 6: and just getting taxs that.

1286
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: Do you ever play piano anymore? Because I know you've

1287
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: played for a long time when you were a kid.

1288
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't play, like play play, but I'll, you

1289
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:08,640
Speaker 6: know what, randomly, when I feel stressed out, I'll like

1290
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 6: sit down and do hand and exercises or something so weird.

1291
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 3: I find it calming.

1292
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 6: I find it coming.

1293
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 4: You would, my friend.

1294
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 6: You totally would.

1295
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 1: That does not surprise me, you nut.

1296
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, because it's right there and it's just easier to

1297
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 6: go and sit down and play the piano then to

1298
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 6: go and pick up my sitar and put my Yeah, you.

1299
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 1: Playing music is a release for stress, but doing hand and.

1300
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:29,639
Speaker 4: Exercises is like.

1301
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 1: Yeah that one. Yeah, yeah, it's fun.

1302
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:35,879
Speaker 6: I think that like my brain. There's just something about

1303
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 6: like the the clarity of that kind of thing, like scales,

1304
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 6: I find calming, like like I start slow and I

1305
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 6: you know, and then I'll and then I'll get a

1306
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 6: little faster, yeah, and then like that's just something so

1307
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:51,200
Speaker 6: clear about it and progressive, whereas music in general is

1308
01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 6: so open ended, like when did you When did you

1309
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 6: do a take that was better than the other take?

1310
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 6: It's so down to feeling and it's ambiguous, And with

1311
01:10:58,160 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 6: something like scales, I can just sit down and kind

1312
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 6: of go I played that scale. I started it and

1313
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 6: I finished it. I went from the bottom of the

1314
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 6: piano to the top of the piano, and then I

1315
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 6: get up and I can like feel like I did

1316
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:12,959
Speaker 6: something I don't know that's crazy Ukra right like structure.

1317
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And we didn't even get into the whole

1318
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 1: there's my whole therapy session in there about why the

1319
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 1: counting stuff too. Yeah, you have such a math brain. Yeah,

1320
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 1: and you and you, I mean you must also just

1321
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 1: from playing this music and playing in different time signatures

1322
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 1: all the time. And was it you that taught us

1323
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 1: that trick? There's a bunch of numbers tricks. I feel

1324
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 1: like I may have that you and then my dad

1325
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 1: taught us when which was we can't really get into

1326
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 1: three three against four? Yeah, it's like that's well, no,

1327
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 1: like this counting thing and then it always anyway, I

1328
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 1: don't know if we can get into it, but.

1329
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,679
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's well, it's fascinating and this is just a tip.

1330
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 6: There was just that.

1331
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a there.

1332
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 6: There's so much in there. There's a whole universe in there.

1333
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 6: But I found it really because it's it's just coming

1334
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 6: from different places, right, And that's what I find so

1335
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 6: lovely about things like this, where it's like where do

1336
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 6: you meet in the middle? Like, first of all, what's

1337
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 6: the middle? Like are you coming more towards me? Or

1338
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 6: am I moving more towards you? So like on that

1339
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 6: very first song we wrote together easy on All Earthing Underwater,

1340
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 6: where you know, I think in a cyclical manner, in

1341
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,519
Speaker 6: an absolute rhythm cycle, so like we may speed up

1342
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:22,679
Speaker 6: or slow down. But if I've chosen that a song

1343
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 6: is in seven or it's in sixteen or whatever it is,

1344
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 6: that's what it's in. I can't help counting round and round.

1345
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 6: So wherever we move and start playing, I'm still thinking

1346
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 6: of like where the one is. And I don't know

1347
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 6: if you remember, like there's a phrasing you use in

1348
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 6: the middle of that song where you instinctively moved the

1349
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 6: one to hit where you're oh yeah, and it's like

1350
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 6: a change in the middle of the song where now

1351
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 6: this is the one, and I swear we stopped the

1352
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 6: recording and you and I were talking for like an hour,

1353
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 6: where in my brain I was like you can't you

1354
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:51,679
Speaker 6: wha why and go like but it is here, listen,

1355
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 6: like there's a stress of that money. And we eventually

1356
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 6: went your way and I just got used to it

1357
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 6: and it feels completely right, are you? I think it

1358
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 6: was like as calm and like studies of an argument

1359
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 6: as it could be in a recording studio with like

1360
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:04,720
Speaker 6: ten other people there.

1361
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 1: But don't remember that.

1362
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was like a long word curse just because

1363
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 6: Curs did that album with me cal and he just

1364
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 6: was like, I'm just going to sit back on this one.

1365
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 1: Funny, so you guys decide, wait till you decide where

1366
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 1: one is. Yes, but that song we did earlier, those

1367
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 1: sweet words, yeah, is like that yee is always kind

1368
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 1: of movie.

1369
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:22,680
Speaker 6: Which is why it took me a while to figure that.

1370
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1371
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't think i've.

1372
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 6: Written out like where I'm like and and and a

1373
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 6: bar and a bar and then and then I come in.

1374
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I feel like that stuff I

1375
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 1: find very easy when I'm not counting. And if I

1376
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 1: have to feel counting it, you can't remember it.

1377
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:42,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, which is also like a really correct and

1378
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 6: beautiful approach.

1379
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 1: It's just it's just funny. That's not where you come from.

1380
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:47,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I have to like slip my brain across

1381
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 6: into like another way. That's what she said, slip my

1382
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 6: brain across. Really, it's never not funny.

1383
01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1384
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:00,760
Speaker 6: Yeah. What I love is that I'm always the one

1385
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 6: that does it. But right now you're the rude one.

1386
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:04,639
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm the one doing it because you're trying.

1387
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 1: I'm busy doing your You're trying to stay professional.

1388
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 6: No, I'm just busy doing your mom Oh okay, my.

1389
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 1: God, that's so creepy on so many levels. I love

1390
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 1: you so much that I love you too.

1391
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 6: I knew this would be so fun with you. Well,

1392
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 6: I think it's dangerous, like when you do interviews with people,

1393
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:33,680
Speaker 6: you know, because you just can't help being more. Yeah,

1394
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 6: through the filters.

1395
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 1: There's no filter here. So you want to try our

1396
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 1: last song? One said, So we're going to end with

1397
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:54,719
Speaker 1: the emotional teacher. Thanks for teaching me the raga stuff.

1398
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:59,599
Speaker 6: I don't know literally.

1399
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:02,679
Speaker 4: You know what's.

1400
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,759
Speaker 1: Funny is I remember when I was in India once

1401
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 1: with I don't even know if you were there, actually,

1402
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 1: I think it was. I was going through that weird

1403
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 1: time and I went when you came with your guitar. Yeah, yep,

1404
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 1: when you India with your guitar, with my guitar, only

1405
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 1: you're really teaching yourself to play guitar that trip. Yeah,

1406
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 1: I had already started. But yeah, I was really into

1407
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 1: guitar for a while and that was definitely the phase.

1408
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 1: And I remember our dad. I think I asked him

1409
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 1: to maybe like teach me something. I was a little

1410
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 1: shy to ask him, and he was probably shy to offer. Sure.

1411
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,640
Speaker 1: I think that's it was just like so funny that

1412
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 1: we'd never sat and really done anything musical. And I

1413
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:52,680
Speaker 1: was probably twenty eight or twenty seven at the time, and.

1414
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 6: Oh, okay, breakup trip. I was thinking of the one

1415
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 6: when you were twenty and came with your tar and

1416
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 6: stayed and I was there and you made write and

1417
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 6: come away with me and what am I to you?

1418
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 4: Oh?

1419
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,639
Speaker 6: That was the that trip. Okay. So I wasn't there.

1420
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 1: No, you weren't there. This is a later trip where

1421
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 1: it was very like soul searching for me. So you

1422
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,160
Speaker 1: were you were with him? Yeah, I was with him,

1423
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 1: and it was nice to have. I mean, I missed you,

1424
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 1: but it was kind of nice to just be forced

1425
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 1: to spend time with him in that way, because, as

1426
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 1: you know, it was hard for me to sort of

1427
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:31,639
Speaker 1: get in there sometimes and just like my own stuff.

1428
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 1: And so we sat in his little music room and

1429
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 1: I had my guitar, which was very funny, nice, and

1430
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:42,720
Speaker 1: I wasn't really trying to play anything specific, but I

1431
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 1: just had it, and he was trying to teach me

1432
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 1: a song. But I think I was a little rigid

1433
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 1: in wanting to be loose, and he was a little

1434
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 1: rigid in wanting to teach me properly. This song when

1435
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:59,639
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, man, I.

1436
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 6: Just want to I just want to play and I

1437
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 6: just want to Yeah, I think I was.

1438
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 1: It was a little awkward, yeah, and it was really

1439
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 1: well intended on both of our parts. But it's funny

1440
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 1: because I wasn't really in.

1441
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 6: The place to be a pupil, right, and I don't

1442
01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 6: think so you still wanted to connect that way.

1443
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 1: I wanted to use musically, but I didn't know how

1444
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 1: to sit.

1445
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 6: I know exactly what you mean, because I think you

1446
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 6: know in a way that is such a core of

1447
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 6: why he was so great at what he did. He

1448
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:27,680
Speaker 6: was a teacher through and through, Like he just had

1449
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 6: this like passionate obsession with sharing his art and his music.

1450
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:34,760
Speaker 6: So I feel like every collaborative experience he ever had,

1451
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 6: if you look through his career, was always about like

1452
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 6: teaching Indian music and putting it. It wasn't like a

1453
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 6: jam session. It wasn't like I'm going to play like

1454
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 6: I'm sow into like I'm going to play plumbing, go

1455
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 6: on this and there, I'm going to try and learn

1456
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 6: other words. He was coming from that place of let

1457
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:50,639
Speaker 6: me introduce you to this thing which had never happened before.

1458
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 6: But I don't feel like he ever moved out of

1459
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 6: that so right to he was teaching. I totally get

1460
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 6: why that would have been an agy plug in between the.

1461
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 1: Two of you. It was like a near It was

1462
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 1: a good near miss, but I mean it was still

1463
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 1: a really nice memory. It definitely there was nothing. There

1464
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 1: was no like fighting, but it was funny and it

1465
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 1: was so nice to just be able to have you

1466
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:17,640
Speaker 1: explain it in a way I could hang with you know.

1467
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,719
Speaker 1: I love you. I love you too, Thanks for doing

1468
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 1: this with me. And it's funny that we're in La together,

1469
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:27,400
Speaker 1: so happy to be here, and we're going to go

1470
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 1: to the Grammy store together and you're going to perform.

1471
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1472
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 1: And twenty years ago we were both at the Grammys together.

1473
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 12: Yeah.

1474
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:36,400
Speaker 6: I mean we've both been nominated in the middle a

1475
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 6: couple of times at the same time, but we've not

1476
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 6: been here together.

1477
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1478
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:42,360
Speaker 6: So twenty years ago when your world changed.

1479
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but you were there.

1480
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 6: You were nominated that year, and it was like, I remember,

1481
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 6: like through the night, we just kept going to the

1482
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 6: bathroom together and it was just like we'd.

1483
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:53,719
Speaker 1: Be like, do you because I don't remember much.

1484
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 6: Because you must have been in job I was hungry too. Yeah,

1485
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 6: you were hungry. Yeah, and you drank a lot and

1486
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:00,759
Speaker 6: you need to peel a lot going to the bathroom,

1487
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 6: and in the bathroom will be like, oh my god,

1488
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 6: what's happening. This is crazy. I didn't go back out

1489
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 6: there and it was like whoa. Yeah, it was a

1490
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 6: wild times see times.

1491
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 1: All right. So this is the song you wrote the

1492
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 1: lyrics to that I put music to and I changed

1493
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 1: what like one lyric?

1494
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:20,680
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, I wrote the words on the plane on

1495
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:21,639
Speaker 6: the way to come see you.

1496
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 1: Really, and this is about a year after our dad died.

1497
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:26,919
Speaker 6: Nope, thirty days Are you serious? I'm serious.

1498
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that.

1499
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 6: Yep, I was on the plane twenty nine days after

1500
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 6: he passed away.

1501
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 1: I don't remember that that was that soon.

1502
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1503
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 1: Oh so it was really raw, and I say it

1504
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 1: was wraw. Yeah yeah, okay, all right, now I think

1505
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 1: you started, do you do like a oh?

1506
01:19:46,400 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 6: Yes, you're right, I can't start. M hm.

1507
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 9: Love wasn't left unsaid, thank you? That was left unsaved.

1508
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 9: I know, maybe left unsafe. I don't know what.

1509
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:48,880
Speaker 11: Said.

1510
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:58,640
Speaker 6: My heart, my heart speaks to you.

1511
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:02,680
Speaker 5: Your No.

1512
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 4: It was small, in true.

1513
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 10: In bady, blood and socking, I walked in long and.

1514
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 12: In shape, hard skin speak.

1515
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 11: When Lad.

1516
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 12: Skinned there was bald.

1517
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:47,480
Speaker 17: I lost my chance word the things I should have done.

1518
01:21:47,600 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 9: It's too late now, Lad, your gold love wasn't left unsaid?

1519
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 12: Thank you? That was left unsaid.

1520
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 9: I see, maybe left unsaid.

1521
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:26,639
Speaker 12: I don't know what was said.

1522
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 1: Fortune smiled on me.

1523
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:42,520
Speaker 4: Man the chances not to say.

1524
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 12: In yoursy was loved.

1525
01:22:50,479 --> 01:23:08,559
Speaker 9: Live the world isn't once we left unsaved.

1526
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:12,080
Speaker 8: Let you.

1527
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 11: I'm going.

1528
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:42,400
Speaker 5: On like.

1529
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 11: A wo.

1530
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:29,519
Speaker 12: Ah wow.

1531
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 1: That was so pretty Thanks for listening to this episode, Sarah.

1532
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 3: Hi Hi very meditative.

1533
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 6: Yea last one.

1534
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:44,559
Speaker 3: It's so interesting that you reconnected with her later, but

1535
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 3: you've both developed your personalities and music and then come together.

1536
01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:52,639
Speaker 3: These songs are such like an encapsulation of like your

1537
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:53,759
Speaker 3: two worlds together.

1538
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, from the moment we met, I think we

1539
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 1: felt connected or similar in some way, even personality wise,

1540
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 1: even though there's so many ways were very different. There's

1541
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 1: just something.

1542
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I feel like a family thing. You know.

1543
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 3: It's like discomfort and natural feeling.

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Speaker 6: No, I mean it is.

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Speaker 1: It's just a weird thing.

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Speaker 3: You know, we could be It feels like there's an

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Speaker 3: inside joke behind everything it does. Do and say it does.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of feel like it does, but it's

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Speaker 1: usually your mom joke. But who's mom exactly? Oh. I

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Speaker 1: like how we kind of revert back to our teenage

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Speaker 1: selves too, kind of when we got really close as teenagers. Basically,

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Speaker 1: I love her so much.

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Speaker 3: I also learned a lot about traditional Indian classical music,

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Speaker 3: which you know, and just the sitar in general.

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Speaker 1: It's such a different world.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean training, her level of training is like

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Speaker 3: an Olympic ast level.

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Speaker 1: It kind of is. But then you still have to

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Speaker 1: have the emotion and the heart.

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Speaker 13: Oh god.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, watching her play is like incredible.

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Speaker 1: It's beautiful and if you if you have never seen

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Speaker 1: her play live, please go check her out, check her

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Speaker 1: her website or her socials because it's a it's a

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Speaker 1: really special thing to see and I encourage you to

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Speaker 1: do so. Yep, thanks so much for listening.

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Speaker 6: Oh excuse me, Hey, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Just playing a long dude.

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Speaker 12: Weezy do do doo doo.

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Speaker 3: Don't forget to subscribe to Nora Jones as Playing Along

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Speaker 3: wherever you get your podcasts so you never miss a

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Speaker 3: new episode.

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Speaker 1: If you're wondering about the songs from this episode, the

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Speaker 1: first song we played was called the Sun Won't Set

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Speaker 1: from her album called Traces of You. The second song

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Speaker 1: was Those Sweet Words from my album called Feels Like Home,

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Speaker 1: and the third song we did was the title track

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Speaker 1: from her album Traces of You. We did a traditional

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Speaker 1: raga called Mama, and we also did another song from

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Speaker 1: Traces of You called Unsaid. This episode was recorded at

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Speaker 1: Golden Hour Sound in Glendale, California, by John Yeston, assisted

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Speaker 1: by Eric Raczinsky, mixed by Jamie Landry, edited by Sarah Oda,

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Speaker 1: Additional engineering by Greg Tobler. Artwork by Eliza Frye. Photography

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Speaker 1: by Shervin Liniez. Produced by Me and Mioto,