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Speaker 1: All right, We start this Easter week with a lot

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Speaker 1: of wonderful weather and some good feelings from the weekend,

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Speaker 1: but some somber news. Pope Francis passed away earlier today

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Speaker 1: after suffering a stroke, just a day after meeting with

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Speaker 1: Vice President J. D. Vance and giving a special blessing

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Speaker 1: in Rome. He was eighty eight years old and served

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Speaker 1: as the leader of the Catholic Church since twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 1: Francis had been battling health problems for some time, but

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Speaker 1: he insisted on staying busy right to the very end,

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Speaker 1: as he did yesterday on Easter Sunday. Today, accolades poured

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Speaker 1: in from all around the globe, including from President Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: who ordered US flags to fly to fly at half staff,

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Speaker 1: and also he announced the President did he will attend

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Speaker 1: the Pope's funeral. We'll take a deeper dive into the

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Speaker 1: legacy of Francis and the changes he brought to the

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Speaker 1: Catholic Church in just a bit. Meanwhile, we're going to

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Speaker 1: turn to some important news in Washington. There are signs

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Speaker 1: that long await accountability efforts may be ramping up. House

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Speaker 1: Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer just a few minutes ago

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Speaker 1: referred former New York Governor Andrew Como for prosecution by

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Speaker 1: the Trump Justice Department, alleging that Cromo made numerous false

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Speaker 1: statements to Congress during its probe into his handling of

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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen and his fires to protect nursing home patients

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Speaker 1: during the pandemic. On another front, separate front, Justin News

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Speaker 1: reported this morning at the US Attorney for Washington DC,

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Speaker 1: President Trump's choice, Ed Martin, sent a letter last week

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Speaker 1: to a former member of Special Counsel Robert Muller's team

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Speaker 1: taking a closer look at the targeting and conviction of

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Speaker 1: former Trump aid George Papadopolis in the now discredited Russia

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Speaker 1: collusion case. That'd be the first real, meaningful investigation quite

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Speaker 1: some time for those who pursued the Russia collusion case.

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Speaker 1: The letter, to Aaron Zelenski, an ex mother prosecutor who

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Speaker 1: left the OJ after Trump won in November, raised questions

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Speaker 1: about Zelenski's statement in court concerning the Papadoplos case, as

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Speaker 1: well as some work he did teaching at a communist

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Speaker 1: those are two pretty big things that we should note

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Speaker 1: that both men is Zelenski and Como, both deny any wrongdoing.

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Speaker 1: All right, time to bring in my amazing coast. Amanda

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Speaker 1: head from Los Angeles says, week Amanda, what are you

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Speaker 1: tracking on the news headline front?

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Speaker 3: Hello?

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Speaker 4: John, Yes, good to see you in Happy Easter to everybody.

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Speaker 4: I hope everybody had a wonderful weekend. You know, John,

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Speaker 4: I think that there's got to be an enterprising travel

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Speaker 4: agency out there who is starting to specialize in trips

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Speaker 4: down to El Salvador, because after Chris van Holland went

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Speaker 4: last week, now we have a delegation of Democrats who

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Speaker 4: And Maxwell Frost had something to say regarding what could

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Speaker 4: happen to American citizens, considering what has happened to the

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Speaker 4: El Salvadorian who was deported back home, check it out.

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Speaker 5: The fact of the matter is it was their administration

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Speaker 5: when all this started that admitted that they made a

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Speaker 5: mistake in board documents speaking of this report, that they

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Speaker 5: made a mistake. That's the whole reason this decision was

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Speaker 5: handed down. They're trying to appeal things left and right,

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Speaker 5: but the fact of the matter is right now they

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Speaker 5: be very concerned about this. Of course, this is a

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Speaker 6: The Trump admitis.

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Speaker 7: Donald Trump in the Oval office talked about.

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Speaker 5: The fact that next he wants to go for quote

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Speaker 4: Well, John, that is quite the stretch to go from

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Speaker 4: President Trump is deporting alleged MS thirteen gang members to

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Speaker 4: the camp of people who says, you know, if you

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's just amazing watching this strategy. They're doubling, tripling, quadrupling

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Speaker 1: down on something that most American thing is the right

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Speaker 1: thing to do, which is to deport legal aliens, particularly

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Speaker 1: those who are suspected of having unsavory ties or criminal

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Speaker 1: where it's gonna end up, but the Democrats don't seem

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Speaker 1: joined this afternoon by for the first time, I think,

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Speaker 1: from the great state of Indiana, Congresswoman Aaron Hatching, congress Woman,

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Speaker 1: great to have you on the show.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, Yeah, great honor. All right, let

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Speaker 2: me just start off.

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Speaker 1: When a leader of Pope Francis's extraordinary import passes away,

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Speaker 1: the world takes no Just your thoughts on Francis's legacy

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Speaker 1: and the sort of discussion the world's been having today.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, what a blessing. And I think Cardinal Dolan said

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Speaker 8: it best. You know, you could not have choreographed a

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Speaker 8: better exit, having this in such a close proximity to Easter.

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Speaker 8: I had the opportunity to meet Pope Francis in Italy

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Speaker 8: at the Vatican a couple of years ago. Just a

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Speaker 8: great teacher, a great leader, and we certainly mourned with

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Speaker 4: Congress, Well, when I want to get to something that

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Speaker 4: we've flicked at at the top, and that is your

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Speaker 4: Democrat colleagues heading down to El Salvador. There's a lot

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Speaker 4: of business that needs to be attended to. And I

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Speaker 4: understand it's the weekend and you're not in session over

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Speaker 9: Or even this week.

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Speaker 4: However, I have to think that there are more pressing

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Speaker 4: an illegal immigrant who has now been I think twice

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Speaker 4: confirmed by courts to be an alleged am a certain

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Speaker 8: Yeah, honestly, I hope all the Democrats start going down

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Speaker 8: to El Salvador to advocate on behalf of MS thirteen

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Speaker 10: This is really kind of a ridiculous issue.

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Speaker 8: Some of these people that Chris van Holland going down

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Speaker 8: of Rachel Warren House. Republicans are going to be focused

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Speaker 8: on continuing to secure the border, supporting President Trump in

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Speaker 8: it gives us time to focus on what the American

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Speaker 8: of a party that prioritizes MS thirteen gang members over

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Speaker 8: their own citizens. But that's exactly what we're seeing out

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Speaker 10: So as long as they get.

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Speaker 8: Back to work when we go have to go back

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Speaker 8: to Washington next week to start the reconciliation process.

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Speaker 10: I think they should all.

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Speaker 8: Go down there and spend their time with MS. Thirteen

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the best possible aud Republicans could have Democrats

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Speaker 2: It's just amazing. Hiris.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit more about one

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Speaker 2: And that's the federal courts.

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Speaker 1: These Democrat appointed judges, even though they keep getting slapped

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Speaker 1: sticking their foot out and tripping up President Trump takes

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Speaker 1: a few weeks. Is there a momentum in Congress to

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Speaker 1: which has passed some er form that stops individual judges.

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Speaker 2: I'm in joining an entire nation.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I supported the No Roague Rulings Act that was passed

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Speaker 10: And you know, we have to have something.

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Speaker 8: That prevents these activists, rogue activist judges from from actually

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Speaker 8: taking a higher priority in their decisions over the President

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Speaker 8: this will the No Rogue Rulings Act will prevent nationwide

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Speaker 7: I do hope the.

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Speaker 8: Senate will with urgency take this up and that some

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Speaker 8: Democrats will come on board. You know, these activist judges

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Speaker 10: We cannot have that happen.

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Speaker 8: And so I do hope that the Senate will rapidly

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Speaker 8: take this up and we will get it passed into law.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so important.

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Speaker 4: Well, and I know that that's something will definitely help

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Speaker 10: Well, we struggle with that.

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Speaker 8: You know, the Democrats do have a very long tail

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Speaker 10: But one of the things that we do have, I.

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Speaker 8: Think on our side, is we do have more and

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Speaker 8: more media who are helping us tell the true story

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Speaker 8: of what's actually happening. We have seen over and over

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Speaker 8: again that the Democrats do not tell the truth. And

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Speaker 8: when they don't tell the truth and the media repeats

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Speaker 8: those things that aren't true, it creates a problem. But

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Speaker 8: what we learned in the last election, and I hope

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Speaker 8: we will ramp up here in the midterms, is that

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Speaker 8: seventy seven million Americans no longer believe the Democrat Party

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Speaker 8: in their rhetoric, nor should they. People really need to

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Speaker 8: educate themselves because what the Democrat Party is doing today

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Speaker 8: is absolutely obtuscating the truth, trying to stir people up

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a great point.

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Speaker 1: It really is an entire subterfush campaign that goes on

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Speaker 1: every day. The media a big part of that legacy media.

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Speaker 2: At least.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about the signs

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Speaker 1: the economy. There's downward pressure and inflation, upward excitement about hiring, obviously,

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Speaker 8: It's great to see. One of the things Congress. Things

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Speaker 6: That we can do.

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Speaker 8: You know, America has been ripped off for decades. We

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Speaker 10: Ultimately, it's going to be very good for the United States.

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Speaker 8: I do think it will bring a golden age back

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Speaker 8: We need to do everything we can to support that

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Speaker 4: Important stuff, and I mean in so many common sense ideas.

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Speaker 4: I think Americans look at what Republicans are trying to

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Speaker 9: Done that before.

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Speaker 4: Every member of Congress that we speak to on this program,

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Speaker 10: Well, Hey, I want to get rid of these EV mandates.

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Speaker 8: I want to get rid of the EV mandates and

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Speaker 10: I definitely want to see those go away.

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Speaker 8: We shouldn't force a industry when the American people nor

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Speaker 10: So that's something that I think is right for repeal.

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Speaker 8: But everything that DOGE is finding with waste fraud and abuse,

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Speaker 10: Republicans are fighting.

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Speaker 8: To protect it by reforming it and making it work

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Speaker 2: Moving forward, Irison, real quick, we got less than a minute.

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Speaker 1: Democrats are demagoguing on the elimination of the Education Department.

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Speaker 2: Just give us your topline thoughts on that.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, there's no need for the federal Department of Education.

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Speaker 10: It can be taken away.

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Speaker 8: We need control back in the hands of our states,

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Speaker 8: to our local communities, to our parents. The best government

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Speaker 8: is the government closest to the people. We don't need

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Speaker 10: We've been trying to do this.

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Speaker 8: I really hope that we succeed under President Trump.

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Speaker 10: I think we are.

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Speaker 8: There's no reason that we should have the federal government

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt, and I know you're on the forefront

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Speaker 1: Congress Woman Aaron Houtchin, what a great honor to have

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Speaker 1: you on the show today. Happy Eastern Money, Thanks for

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Speaker 10: Happy Easter to you too. Thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. What a great conversation. All right, folks, were

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Speaker 9: Welcome back, everybody.

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Speaker 4: The world's over one billion Catholics learned of the news

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Speaker 4: so much for being here.

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Speaker 9: I'm delighted to be with you both. You know, the Pope,

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Speaker 4: You know he had failing health, but this last week

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Speaker 9: Well first and foremost, I think it's so.

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Speaker 11: And you know it happens during springtime, which is the

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Speaker 9: It was almost as if he.

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Speaker 11: Lived long enough to be able to deliver this Easter

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Speaker 1: Such of a remarkable legacy to the first pope from

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Speaker 11: Certainly when I, you know, and I was in church

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Speaker 11: it's always interesting how the pope is decided. We don't

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Speaker 11: know who that's going to be or where they're going

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Speaker 11: to be from, but I think that people are looking

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Speaker 11: for someone who is staunchly enmeshed in the Catholic faith

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Speaker 11: and Catholic traditions and Catholic treachings.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's a deep bench in the the College

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Speaker 1: of Cardinals, and a lot of them picked by friends.

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Speaker 1: It will be really interesting to see where the conclave

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Speaker 1: ultimately ends up. Congressman, I want to shout you out

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Speaker 1: because you have worked tiresly in Congress to sell the

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Speaker 1: issue of prescription drug prices, the drug back, all the

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Speaker 1: things that you've been doing. On Thursday, I was thinking

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Speaker 1: of you when the President signed that executive order and

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Speaker 1: got to the heart of the PBM issue. You talk

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Speaker 1: a little bit about how important that is and how

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Speaker 1: Congress can now file up on it.

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Speaker 11: This is critically important that the President has really been

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Speaker 11: a leader on this issue as well.

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Speaker 9: I mean when he had.

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Speaker 11: His first healthcare pricing transparency back in twenty eighteen. I

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Speaker 11: was there at the White House for the signing of

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Speaker 11: that executive order, so I think this has been something

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Speaker 11: he's long.

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Speaker 9: Been working towards.

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Speaker 11: There are a lot of very special interests when it

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Speaker 11: comes to PBM reform. My goal is not to end

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Speaker 11: pharmacy benefit managers or the work that they do in

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Speaker 11: helping to get prescriptions to people.

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Speaker 9: However, it is to bring transparency.

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Speaker 11: To a very opaque middle area in between the pharmaceutical

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Speaker 11: company that manufactures medications and the pharmacy that dispenses those medications.

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Speaker 11: There is a lot of money that gets lost in

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Speaker 11: that space, and it's not going to the seniors, or

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Speaker 11: to the families or to the mothers who are paying

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Speaker 11: for prescription drugs at the counter. And so I think

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Speaker 11: it was tremendously important. We almost were able to get

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Speaker 11: PBM reform in an into the year package. We're still

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Speaker 11: working hard to be able to do that. In addition

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Speaker 11: to which there would be cost savings. So my first

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Speaker 11: bill in twenty nineteen on PBM reform in the state

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Speaker 11: of Iowa, I just found out that one of our communities,

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Speaker 11: the county, was able to save almost eighty thousand dollars

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Speaker 11: by negotiating and going around the PBM. So there are

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Speaker 11: significant cost savings in transparency and in rebates and how

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Speaker 11: this very opaque marketplace works. We want transparency, we want

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Speaker 11: pricing transparency, We want competition, and you know, we want

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Speaker 11: the people that are paying for medications to be able

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Speaker 11: to get the benefit from what they're paying. And so

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Speaker 11: there's still a lot of work to do and I'm

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Speaker 11: not tired yet. And I've got some good advocates in Congress,

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Speaker 11: with Senator Bill Cassidy on the Senate side, but also

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Speaker 11: very importantly Representative Buddy Carter from Georgia represented Diana harshburg

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Speaker 11: Or from Tennessee, both who are pharmacists, and then Representative

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Speaker 11: Guthrie who is the Chair of Energy and Commerce.

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Speaker 9: So we're going to keep pushing this.

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Speaker 11: We know that Speaker Johnson is also supportive of what

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Speaker 11: we're doing, So we're going to keep moving forward on

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Speaker 11: this issue because it's important to bring prescription drug prices down.

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Speaker 9: It's critically important to our seniors, to.

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Speaker 11: Families, whether they're Iowa families or American families, to single

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Speaker 11: moms raising kids or single parents. This is a critically

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Speaker 11: important issue to bring drug prices down.

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Speaker 4: As you're out in your district because this is a

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Speaker 4: nuance of the economy. It's not necessarily a kitchen table issue,

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Speaker 4: but it definitely contributes to how Americans are feeling about

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Speaker 4: the economy, which is definitely going to come up in

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Speaker 4: the election for midterms. As you're out there in Iowa

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Speaker 4: and you're speaking to constituents, what else are they wanting

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Speaker 4: to see from Republicans.

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Speaker 11: To keep the house well and certainly the things that

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Speaker 11: have been done on the border, deporting criminal illegal aliens

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Speaker 11: is very important. Healthcare costs in general is a topic

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Speaker 11: of conversation. They want to see, you know, they like

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Speaker 11: seeing that there is a move to bring manufacturing back online,

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Speaker 11: but they also know that right now they're seeing some

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Speaker 11: prices come down, but they want to see more jobs

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Speaker 11: than they want to see the economy improve. And so,

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Speaker 11: you know, there's a little bit of a rollercoaster right now,

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Speaker 11: which is not unusual when you're making structural changes as

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Speaker 11: we're making.

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Speaker 9: But they want to see things.

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Speaker 11: Level out and they want to see that, you know,

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Speaker 11: wages are going up, prices are coming down, and that

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Speaker 11: their quality of life improves.

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Speaker 4: Iowa Congresswoman and friend of the show, Marionette Miller meets Congresswoman,

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Speaker 4: thank you so much for being here tonight.

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Speaker 9: My pleasure. Thank you all. Yeah, absolutely, all right, everybody.

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Speaker 4: D I is still a huge problem in this country

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Speaker 4: and in our Ivy League schools. But one person is

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Speaker 4: writing about all of that so that hopefully it can

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Speaker 4: make itvent.

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Speaker 9: Maybe we can fix it. With doctor Carrol Swain next.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in America, joining us now to talk all about

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Speaker 1: all about the extraordinary developments on DEI, the war that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump has declared, the progress being made, the rebranding

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Speaker 1: that liberals are already doing. Is former tenured professor at Vanderbilt.

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Speaker 1: He's also the author of a book about the Claudie

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Speaker 1: Gay scandal at Harvard. It's titled The Gay Affair, Harvard,

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Speaker 1: Plagiarism and the Death of Academic and Degree. It's a

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Speaker 1: fantastic but please read it. It is amazing. Joining us now,

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Speaker 1: our good friend, doctor Carrol Swain. Doctor, good to have

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Speaker 1: you back on.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 7: It's always a pleasure, all right.

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Speaker 1: So today's been another day, and that tit for tat

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Speaker 1: war to try to eradicate the DEI from the American agenda.

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Speaker 1: Trump administration threatening to poll a billion dollars in science

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Speaker 1: funding from Harvard sues. Tell us what's going on in

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Speaker 1: the backdrop of this.

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Speaker 3: Well, the universities are lining up behind Harvard because they're

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Speaker 3: accustomed to doing whatever they want. They believe, just like

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Speaker 3: we've seen people in the previous administration, they believe.

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Speaker 7: They're above the law.

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Speaker 3: And I would say that with universities, they don't want accountability.

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Speaker 7: They certainly don't want the government.

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Speaker 3: Looking at how they're spending government dollars. And I think

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Speaker 3: they're on weak grands because President Trump's order banning diversity,

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Speaker 3: equity and inclusion programs and federally support it that are

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Speaker 3: supported by federal dollars, as well as the executive order,

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Speaker 3: which I think is far more important, banning affirmative action.

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Speaker 7: It ended sixty years of affirmative action.

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Speaker 3: And I believe he's on strong grands because both DEEI

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Speaker 3: and affirmative action they're.

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Speaker 7: Part of the same thing.

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Speaker 3: They violate the equal Protection clause of the Constitution, as

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Speaker 3: well as the nineteen sixty four Civil Rights Act and

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Speaker 3: its various titles.

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Speaker 4: Doctor Swain helped me understand because, as John alluded to

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Speaker 4: a moment ago, you've gotten not only university but universities

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Speaker 4: but corporations too, who are finding ways of renaming DEI

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Speaker 4: departments and naming the titles of people who are within

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Speaker 4: these departments. So if it's if it's not popular and

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Speaker 4: they are having to mask it, why keep it?

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Speaker 9: Why be so belligerent about it.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of corporations are taking advantage of

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Speaker 3: the opportunity to get rid of DEI and that they're

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Speaker 3: actually trying to follow the laws of the land that

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Speaker 3: prohibit discrimination because they don't want the lawsuits. And universities

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Speaker 3: will find themselves sued by their employees, students.

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Speaker 7: And faculty who are discriminated again.

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Speaker 3: As based on their continuing their DEI programs. So yes,

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Speaker 3: they have tried to re name the programs and push

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Speaker 3: them underground, but there are many whistleblowers that are exposing

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Speaker 3: what has taken place, and so it's going to be

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Speaker 3: much harder for them to discriminate in the ways that

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Speaker 3: they did in the past. And they want to pretend

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Speaker 3: that they are noble. You know that they had the

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Speaker 3: high road, but actually no, I think they've set back

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Speaker 3: American education at every level.

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Speaker 1: And you've chromically did so well in your books and

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Speaker 1: your speeches this extraordinary drift away from common sense in academia.

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Speaker 1: Are you seeing signs that some in academia are getting

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Speaker 1: the message that they're putting in peril their trust with

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Speaker 1: their core constituency, students and parents, or do you think

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Speaker 1: they're still barreling over a cliff.

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Speaker 7: There are universities that have become more open.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I spoke at one in Oklahoma a few

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Speaker 3: days ago, and universities like Vanderbilt.

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Speaker 7: The conservative students tell me that they're.

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Speaker 3: Treated much nice on campus. They have support from the chancellor,

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Speaker 3: they believe, and I have been invited to places to

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Speaker 3: speak that would indicate that they're certainly a throw in.

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Speaker 3: And I believe a realization that they cannot continue with

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Speaker 3: the indoctrination. And one of the things I like to

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Speaker 3: point out is that you cannot be educated unless you

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Speaker 3: are exposed to divergent views. And when colleges and universities

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Speaker 3: become indoctrination meals the way that they have, then it

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Speaker 3: cheats students out of an education. But it's not just

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Speaker 3: that they are indoctrination meals. They're also discriminating. They are

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Speaker 3: breaking the Constitution's Equalporatetiontion clause that protects all persons, as

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Speaker 3: well as the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four

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Speaker 3: and its titles, and so they have to be held accountable.

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Speaker 3: Harvard is trying to lead the way the battle, and

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Speaker 3: it really is a partisan battle because something like you know,

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Speaker 3: ninety eight percent of the faculty on these college campuses

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Speaker 3: are Democrats, So it really is Democrats versus Republicans.

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Speaker 7: With Harvard leading the way.

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Speaker 3: And Harvard has not held its faculty accountable for pleasurism.

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Speaker 3: There's some administrators that Chris Rufoe identified who would pleasurized.

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Speaker 3: As far as we know, there has been no accountability

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Speaker 3: for faculty, but they hold students accountable if they catch them.

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Speaker 9: That's a great point. Doctor Swain. You mentioned this a

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Speaker 9: moment ago.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad you did, because at least for Harvard, about

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Speaker 4: ninety seven percent of their professorial staff donates to Democrats.

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Speaker 4: I would love to think that that is an exception. Fortunately,

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Speaker 4: I do think it is probably the rule. Is that

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Speaker 4: the sense that you get across Ivy League and all

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Speaker 4: universities really yes, I think so.

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Speaker 3: And I've said this many times that the Christian universities,

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Speaker 3: numerous Christian.

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Speaker 7: Universities that you would think would be.

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Speaker 3: More conservative because of the biblical worldview that you would

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Speaker 3: expect the facility to have, those places have been and

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Speaker 3: filtrated as well.

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Speaker 7: You can find Marxism.

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Speaker 3: There too, and so yeah, American education has to be rescued.

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Speaker 3: I am optimistic. I believe that the days of the

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Speaker 3: WHO universities are numbered. And I believe that Harvard, you know,

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Speaker 3: can throw all its weight around trying to get sympathy.

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Speaker 3: It deserves no sympathy if it wants them behaved like

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Speaker 3: a private it is a private university.

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Speaker 7: It needs to stop taking federal dollars. It can be

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Speaker 7: like Hillsdale and do whatever.

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Speaker 3: It wants as long as it's not taking federal dollars.

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Speaker 1: That's such a great point, doctor, just one. We all

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Speaker 1: got about a minute left. I wanted to ask about

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Speaker 1: this because you do it so brilliantly. People say, well,

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Speaker 1: DEI is just an ideology. What's the harm to it.

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Speaker 1: There is a direct and insiduous line between DEI and

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Speaker 1: anti Semitism. Could you give us the bottom line on that.

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Speaker 3: Well, the DEI programs encouraged colleges and universities to bring in,

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Speaker 3: well one thing, a lot of foreign students that come

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Speaker 3: from countries that hey is real.

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Speaker 10: But it has been harmful in that it has.

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Speaker 7: Privileged some groups over others, and with the Jews, even

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Speaker 7: though Jews are a minority.

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Speaker 3: They have been targeted, you know, throughout history and certainly

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Speaker 3: on college.

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Speaker 7: And university campuses.

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Speaker 3: And one of the things that always astonished me as

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Speaker 3: a university professor is that there were always some leftist Jewish.

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Speaker 7: Faculty and students.

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Speaker 3: There were has submitted themselves, and I found it, you know,

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Speaker 3: just astonishing. But I've also seen people evolve, and I

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Speaker 3: think they're more conservative Jews now than ever before, and

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Speaker 3: they have realized that the left is not their friend

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Speaker 3: at all.

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Speaker 1: That's a great point. Well, one thing we do know

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Speaker 1: you are a friend to truth. You have a brand

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Speaker 1: new book out to doctor Swaine. Everyone should get this

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Speaker 1: diversity without discrimination something we should all strive for. What

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Speaker 1: a great book. Be sure everyone to get that. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us today. Thank you, Yeah, great honor to

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Speaker 1: have you on. All right, folks, after the break more

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Speaker 1: and Pope Francis and his legacy and what's next for

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Speaker 1: the Catholic Church A lot there, right, My father Frank

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Speaker 1: Pavone might happen to these messages.

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Speaker 9: Welcome back everybody.

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Speaker 4: As most of you know don't have already heard that

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Speaker 4: Pope Francis, at the age of eighty eight years old,

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Speaker 4: passed away and of course, millions of Catholics reacting across

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Speaker 4: the globe, including our very own President Trump, reacted to it.

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Speaker 4: He also ordered that flagsby lowered to half staff. And

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Speaker 4: despite the fact that he and the Pope have differed

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Speaker 4: on a plethora of issues, including border capitalism, climate change,

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Speaker 4: a lot of other social issues, still a tremendous amount

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Speaker 4: of respect for him.

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Speaker 9: So with us.

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Speaker 4: Now, a former Catholic priest who was defrocked by the

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Speaker 4: Vatican after criticizing Democrats for being pro abortion, a good

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Speaker 4: friend of our program.

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Speaker 9: He's the director of Priests for Life.

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Speaker 4: He's also the national co chair of Pro Life of

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Speaker 4: Voices for Trump. Father Frank Provone, thank you so much

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Speaker 4: for being here, sir.

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Speaker 6: Great to be with you both, sir.

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Speaker 4: We spoke to Congresswoman Marionette Miller Meeks at the top

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Speaker 4: of the show.

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Speaker 9: She's a Catholic, and she.

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Speaker 4: Reflected back on the legacy of this Pope, and I

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Speaker 4: would like for you to do the same.

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Speaker 12: You know, First of all, I had the chance to

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Speaker 12: have a good number of interactions with Pope Francis face

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Speaker 12: to face, and we were of course discussing my pro

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Speaker 12: life work, and he was very much a pope of mercy.

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Speaker 6: He wanted to constantly stress.

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Speaker 12: One of the things he said that I liked the

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Speaker 12: most was he said, you know, God never gets tired

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Speaker 12: of forgiving us. We often get tired of asking him

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Speaker 12: to forgive us. And the world needs his mercy. There's

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Speaker 12: so much violence, there's so much sin.

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Speaker 2: We need to.

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Speaker 12: Know that God is someone we can return to once

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Speaker 12: we repent.

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Speaker 6: Of those sins.

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Speaker 12: The Pope was also very clear to those of us

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Speaker 12: in the clergy about saying we have to be close

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Speaker 12: to the people. He said, you know, you have to

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Speaker 12: have the odor of the sheep on your clothing. You know,

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Speaker 12: that's good advice, not only for clergy but for politicians.

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Speaker 12: You can't lead people unless you know them, and you can't.

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Speaker 6: Know them unless you are with them.

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Speaker 12: So these kinds of messages, I mean, I think that

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Speaker 12: these are not just things he said, These are themes

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Speaker 12: that shaped his whole approach to the papacy. And these

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Speaker 12: were were certainly and will remain good for the church.

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Speaker 12: At the same time, we can't deny the fact that

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Speaker 12: this has been a papacy of confusion.

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Speaker 6: And it's not a judgment on him.

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Speaker 12: It's just looking at the impact on the faithful, you know,

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Speaker 12: both of you and I. I mean, we're interacting with

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Speaker 12: people around the country, around the world every.

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Speaker 6: Day and it's undeniable.

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Speaker 12: People have you know how many times they come to us,

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Speaker 12: they call us, they're scratching their heads.

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Speaker 6: What in the world did the Pope just say? You know,

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Speaker 6: what does that mean?

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Speaker 12: You know, there were confusion about the approach of the

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Speaker 12: church to marriage and human sexuality the LGBTQ community.

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Speaker 6: And and you know, it's not.

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Speaker 12: Just things that the Pope has said, but people that

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Speaker 12: he has brought close to him. You know, this father

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Speaker 12: James Martin, who was just absolutely a disgrace to the priesthood.

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Speaker 12: And and you've got appointments that he has made to

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Speaker 12: various Vatican offices of some people that you know, they

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Speaker 12: don't even believe some of the things the church teaches.

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Speaker 12: It's very confusing, very disheartening to people who are making

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Speaker 12: sacrifices every day to live this faith, to pass this

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Speaker 12: faith along to their children, and then they end up

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Speaker 12: getting confused.

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Speaker 6: So it's just the fact there's.

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Speaker 12: No judgment here on him, but we are going to

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Speaker 12: look for some healing and some clarity from.

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Speaker 6: The next Pope and I think we will get that.

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Speaker 12: I think all the cardinals who will be voting for

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Speaker 12: the new pope see the same thing that we see,

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Speaker 12: and I think a.

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Speaker 6: Lot of them want to correct it.

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Speaker 1: That's a really good point. Obviously, Francis reshaped the college

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Speaker 1: of Cardinals.

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Speaker 2: He pointed a lot of them.

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Speaker 1: I think about three quarters if I did in my math, right,

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Speaker 1: So he has a big imprint on that. But it

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Speaker 1: does seem like the cardinals understand some of the confusion,

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Speaker 1: some of the frustration in the church. What do you

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Speaker 1: think they'll be thinking about as they go through that

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Speaker 1: process of picking the next Holy Father.

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Speaker 12: Well, you know, there's a lot of considerations. Geography is

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Speaker 12: certainly a factor. I'd love to see a pope from Africa.

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Speaker 12: You know a lot of people have been saying that

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Speaker 12: the church is thriving there and a lot of the

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Speaker 12: African cardinals just have a very beautiful, clear direct way

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Speaker 12: of teaching the faith, and I think we need that.

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Speaker 2: We need that in the.

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Speaker 12: Church, We need it in politics to kind of straight

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Speaker 12: talk we get from President Trump.

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Speaker 2: You know, we need that in.

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Speaker 6: The pulpit too.

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Speaker 12: Geography, age, you know that they want to go for

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Speaker 12: someone younger who's going to be in for a while,

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Speaker 12: you know, Pope Jopoll the second was fifty.

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Speaker 6: Eight when he was elected. Who knows.

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Speaker 12: These cardinals have a lot of thinking and praying and

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Speaker 12: deliberating to do. And I think that's a good subject

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Speaker 12: for our viewers to pray about over these coming days,

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Speaker 12: really for wisdom on these cardinals. They have a heavy responsibility.

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Speaker 12: And you know, they haven't gotten together all that much

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Speaker 12: as an overall group, so I don't know how well

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Speaker 12: they all know each other.

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Speaker 6: Hopefully they've been keeping making efforts to keep in touch

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Speaker 6: with one another in the meantime.

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Speaker 12: But now they have a serious duty to choose from

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Speaker 12: among their ranks the one who will be the next Pope.

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Speaker 2: Not amazing man.

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Speaker 4: And so Frank, from what I understand from you earlier,

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Speaker 4: in this hopefully two or three week span that it

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Speaker 4: takes to choose another pope, hopefully it won't be longer

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Speaker 4: than that, but the business of the church is halted

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Speaker 4: for the most part, right.

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Speaker 6: Yes, it's a very interesting thing.

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Speaker 12: You know, we do not experience this in our American politics.

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Speaker 12: You know, we don't have an interregnum as it's called

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Speaker 12: between presidents. You know, where this where the office is empty,

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Speaker 12: but we do have that in the Catholic Church. So

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Speaker 12: not only are papal decisions obviously put on hold, but

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Speaker 12: all decisions of all Vatican agencies.

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Speaker 6: Are likewise literally frozen.

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Speaker 12: No official decisions can be made, or documents put out

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Speaker 12: or anything like that until the new pope is in place.

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Speaker 12: And in fact, all those personnel decisions, everyone who heads

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Speaker 12: up that agencies, they're going to have to see whether

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Speaker 12: they still have their positions or if.

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Speaker 6: The new pope wants to replace them.

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Speaker 12: So it is a very significant moment right now. And

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Speaker 12: that's why, you know, I mean, the church is very hierarchical, right,

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Speaker 12: It's very different from American system of politics.

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Speaker 2: That's a great point.

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Speaker 1: I want to just ask a little bit about President

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Speaker 1: Trump's relationship with Catholics. Obviously, he made lots of inroads,

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Speaker 1: made lots of efforts. The Catholic Church and the Republican

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Speaker 1: Party have found lots of certainly at the people's level,

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Speaker 1: a lot of intersection, even though sometimes the leadership was

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Speaker 1: at loggerheads with President Trump. What does the future of

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Speaker 1: politics in America look like with the Catholic Church. Is

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Speaker 1: the evolution that Donald Trump started going to continue you think.

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Speaker 12: You know, I have advocated very strongly in my own

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Speaker 12: relationship with the Vatican on behalf of President Trump and

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Speaker 12: his policies.

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Speaker 6: You know, you mentioned I.

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Speaker 12: Was co chair of pro life Voices for Trump in

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Speaker 12: the twenty twenty cycle. I it were some of the

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Speaker 12: Vatican that didn't like that, and I said to them

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Speaker 12: very directly and very persistently, this man is the best

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Speaker 12: friend that the Catholic Church has in public life, even

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Speaker 12: though he himself is not Catholic. He's defending the freedom

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Speaker 12: of the Church. He's defending positions of the Church that

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Speaker 12: are under attack. Even on immigration, President Trump's policies are

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Speaker 12: much closer to what the Catechism says about immigration than

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Speaker 12: what some bishops say, who are basically of the open borders, Oh,

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Speaker 12: every migrant is an encounter with Christ sort of way

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Speaker 12: of thinking. So I think that what has happened in

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Speaker 12: American politics right now, the public has spoken very clearly,

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Speaker 12: a loud and clear and the good news is that

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Speaker 12: so many of those who went into the voting booth

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Speaker 12: in November are sitting in the pews every Sunday. So,

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Speaker 12: in other words, I'm saying that the way that we

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Speaker 12: have seen a wave of common sense, a wave of

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Speaker 12: rejecting the woe agenda, a.

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Speaker 6: Wave of real change.

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Speaker 12: I think now is going to overflow into the church

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Speaker 12: as we choose a new pope. So the pope is

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Speaker 12: not democratically elected among the people, but that doesn't mean

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Speaker 12: that the people don't have a voice, and I think

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Speaker 12: we have to raise that voice kind of President Trump's style.

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Speaker 12: You know, let's let our pastors know where we stand.

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Speaker 12: Let's put it in their faces, obviously always with a respect,

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Speaker 12: with unity with the church, but nevertheless with a clear

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Speaker 12: honesty and transparency. You know, it's a healthy family when

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Speaker 12: you're able to air your differences instead of pretending that

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Speaker 12: they don't exist. And I find that in the church today,

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Speaker 12: in the Catholic community, very often we're just trying to

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Speaker 12: find the easy way. Let's not cause any disruption or disloyalty, No,

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Speaker 12: speak your mind, and I think that's the kind of

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Speaker 12: change we.

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Speaker 2: Need to see. That's good advice.

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Speaker 4: I think that is just great universal advice. And as always,

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Speaker 4: it came from you, Father Frank Provone. We love having

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Speaker 4: you on the show. Thank you so much for your

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Speaker 4: wisdom on this.

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Speaker 6: Thanks blessing to you both.

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Speaker 9: Thanks to you.

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Speaker 4: All right, everybody, We have one more segment after this

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Speaker 4: commercial break, so we'll be back from the other side.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back, everybody, before we dive into a few more

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Speaker 4: news stories before we head out for the evening. John,

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Speaker 4: I'm just kind of one of these fact fiends, and

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Speaker 4: I love looking into processes, and even though I'm not Catholic,

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Speaker 4: I found it fascinating what I learned about the process

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Speaker 4: of choosing a pope, particularly at the end when there

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Speaker 4: is the black smoke or white smoke. I had no

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Speaker 4: idea how scientific it is. For black smoke, they use

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Speaker 4: a cartridge of potassium perchlorate with anthracine and sulfur, and

888
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 4: then for white. For white smoke, it's potassium chlorate with

889
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 4: lactose and chloroform, and they send that up. They literally

890
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 4: send out smoke signals. I think they said that they

891
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 4: will also ring a bell if the pope has been chosen,

892
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 4: just for extra confirmation. But this is a really interesting process.

893
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 4: It's centuries old, and hopefully in two weeks the process

894
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 4: will be done. But how long do you think it'll

895
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 4: take this time around, because this time, you know, I

896
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 4: don't know. It seems like especially with how what We

897
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 4: were just talking about with Frank Pavon about how some

898
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 4: Catholics feel about Pope Francis. Then it might be a

899
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 4: little rickety getting back to someone more traditional.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, this is a big moment for the church.

901
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: Francis made a lot of changes. He grew the church,

902
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: but he also grew the divisions in the church. And

903
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, the opportunity

904
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Speaker 1: here is for the cardinals to find a path that says,

905
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: how can we bring us closests together, how can we

906
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: make sure the turch is more unified in its doctrine

907
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: and its sentiments, and at the same time keep growing

908
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: the growth areas of Africa. The Philippines are very exciting.

909
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: When you're inside the church, you hear about it all

910
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: the time. Perhaps they pick one of the very strong

911
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: leaders there, or if they want to take a tilt

912
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: back towards old history, may they go back to Europe

913
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: for a while and bring a more conservative prelate there.

914
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: But this one is going to have us significant impact.

915
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: We knew Francis was a transformational figure, but where the

916
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 1: church goes from here, it's really out of crossroads and Wipath.

917
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: It's going to pick, and it's going to be fascinating

918
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: to see what the cardinals come up with in their deliberations.

919
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 4: Absolutely, speaking of fascinating, what these big box retail executives

920
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 4: are going to talk to with President Trump about. I mean,

921
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 4: they're obviously very concerned about the tariff repercussions for them

922
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 4: because they import a ton of goods that go out

923
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 4: from Walmart Home Depot, a lot of these.

924
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 9: Big chain stores.

925
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 4: Do you think this is going to be a good

926
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 4: meeting productive?

927
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 9: What do you think they're going to say to the President?

928
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, I think it's good for this point. Donald

929
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: Trump is often portrayed in the meeting. He doesn't listen anyway.

930
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: He's just doing his own thing. He's always absorbing information.

931
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: And he's going to learn from these big box stores

932
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: because he knows that they are a major touch point

933
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: with the American people and what they're going through will

934
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 1: ultimately translate down or be pushed down to the American people.

935
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: So he wants to get ahead of it, not only

936
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: in messaging, but to see if there are some unique

937
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 1: ways that he can intervene. One of the early things

938
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 1: that he has is, you know what countries that were

939
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 1: going to put first in terms of getting deals. Well,

940
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: the countries that do textiles have a profound effect on

941
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: the walmarts of the world. The countries that provide electronics

942
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: have a big effect on places like Best.

943
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: Buy or Home Depot or Low's.

944
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,760
Speaker 1: And so I wouldn't be surprised if he's even looking

945
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: for advice about where do I start, what do you

946
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: need first to have the lowest impact on the American shopper.

947
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: But the fact that the president's listening and talking and engaging,

948
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: that's a positive thing for the American people.

949
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 9: Absolutely.

950
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 4: All right, we got to get to this crazy story

951
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 4: out of New Mexico. This judge who had been on

952
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,720
Speaker 4: the bench for twelve or thirteen years abruptly resigned. Didn't

953
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 4: give a reason, but there was an illegal gang trendy,

954
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 4: a Rodwood gang member arrested in his house.

955
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 9: This is terrifying. John.

956
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was actually living in the guest house of

957
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: the judge, at the behest of the judge's wife. It's

958
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 1: really unclear what the ultimate outcome of this is. We

959
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: do know that the federal LA Enforcement went so they

960
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: arrested this man. They've alleged that he is a trend

961
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Speaker 1: to Agua gang member. The judge's been silent on this issue,

962
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: but he has resigned. He resigned a few days after

963
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: the appearance at his home by Ice and federal authorities.

964
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Speaker 2: So it's a head scratcher. The photos are weird.

965
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Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of it, but I

966
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Speaker 1: bet you we're going to learn more, just like we've

967
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: learned more about Garcia and others. You know, as time

968
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: goes on, we get more documents, we get more information.

969
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: There's probably a backstory that we don't know quickly. In California,

970
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: Steve Hilton for governor, that was a.

971
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Speaker 4: Big moment on Yeah, you know, this could be a

972
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 4: guy who could bring folks together.

973
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 9: He's been on.

974
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 4: Fox News, so that might actually be a light on

975
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 4: his record when it comes to Democrats.

976
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 9: But you never know.

977
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 4: He's got a great personality, he loves this state. He's

978
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 4: got a British accent. We know people in California love

979
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 4: to bring on outsiders, so you just never know. All right,

980
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 4: that's going to do it for us tonight. Thanks so

981
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 4: much for being here. We'll be back here tomorrow night

982
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 4: at six pm Eastern.

983
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Speaker 9: Had a good you