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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death Presents External Exams with Nicole and Jimmy.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Mother Knows Death. Each week we will be

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Speaker 2: interviewing an expert for an external exam and this week

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Speaker 2: in pathology. In the news on Mother Knows Death, Maria

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Speaker 2: and I were discussing a case that we saw in

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Speaker 2: the news with a lady named Heather Presty, who is

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Speaker 2: a nurse that has admitted to trying to kill twenty

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Speaker 2: two of her patients. And of course when I read

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Speaker 2: this news story this week, my first thought was my

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Speaker 2: great friend Amy Lochrin. You might know her as the

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Speaker 2: good Nurse, and I think we're going to talk to

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Speaker 2: her and see if we could get a little bit

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Speaker 2: of her story and see why she was the first

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Speaker 2: person that popped into my head. So welcome to the show. Amy,

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I'm so glad to be here with you.

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy to have you. I love your face

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Speaker 2: and I wish you could live closer to me so

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Speaker 2: we could actually hang out more in person.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't miss New Jersey. Let's just say that.

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Speaker 2: It's a nice time in New Jersey. For it's turning

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Speaker 2: out of the nice time. You know, we were talking

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Speaker 2: about that earlier. How crappy the weather is here now.

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Speaker 2: But do you believe that this happened again, that a

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Speaker 2: nurse is trying to kill their patients? Can you believe

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Speaker 2: that it's in the news again.

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Speaker 3: Well, the state of healthcare right now, we are in

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Speaker 3: the middle of a mental health crisis. And one of

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Speaker 3: the reasons that Charlie Cullen was able to get away

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Speaker 3: we were in a challenging time in nursing at that

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Speaker 3: if it's a power struggle or trauma, whatever it is,

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Speaker 3: that could just go awry and head to the worst

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Speaker 3: case scenario, which is killing people, killing patients because there's

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Speaker 3: a sense of power. But it also is a lesson

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Speaker 3: I should say further, we're no further along in our

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Speaker 3: mental health work that we should be doing with the

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Speaker 2: So for the for our listeners that have never heard

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Speaker 2: of your story or why I first thought of you

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Speaker 2: when this nurse killed patients, can you describe to us

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Speaker 2: who Charles Colin is and your relationship to him.

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Speaker 3: So, Charles Cullen, Charlie, my friend Charlie. We worked together

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Speaker 3: between four hundred and one thousand people. And during that

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Speaker 3: investigation he admitted to murdering I believe it was only

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Speaker 3: forty people. The reason that he admitted to killing only

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Speaker 3: could remember murdering. He could remember their name, the circumstances,

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Speaker 3: direct result of their deaths. The other people, it's really

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Speaker 3: just that he knows that he attempted to harm as

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Speaker 2: So you worked with him and how were you? How

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Speaker 2: and what what was your role in that?

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Speaker 3: So I worked with the New Jersey prosecution undercover to

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Speaker 2: When you got all of this information and he eventually

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Speaker 3: So because I was a CI, a confidential informant, no

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Speaker 2: And what year was this that he finally was admitted

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Speaker 3: So in two thousand and three he was arrested and

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Speaker 2: So during that time, how do you go back to

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Speaker 3: Well, I went back to work at Summerset Medical Center.

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Speaker 3: No one knew that I had helped the detectives, and

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Speaker 3: of course because I was his best friend. There were

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Speaker 3: So back in those days, twenty years ago, you could

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Speaker 3: That can't do that now, but at the time, if

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Speaker 2: That's really crazy. So in so, about ten years later

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Speaker 3: Well it was two thousand and eight or two thousand

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Speaker 3: So I started working with Charles Graper and then yeah,

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Speaker 2: What was it that you were like?

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Speaker 2: No at first? Like you were you? I mean, because

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Speaker 3: I think I were scared. Yeah, I was still traumatized.

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Speaker 3: He wanted to show that Charles Cullen had a life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's good too, to show what was

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Speaker 2: and then in the book. So what happened after that

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Speaker 2: So what what happened next? So the book came out?

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Speaker 2: That was back in two thousand and thirteen. Write the

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Speaker 2: book twenty thirteen. Yes, so so you're just what happened

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Speaker 2: with your life then when it was revealed? Were you

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Speaker 3: No, I had actually at that point I had left.

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Speaker 2: about the book. What was that like, like you just

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Speaker 3: I also think it's abnormal to go from questioning someone's

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Speaker 2: any way that there's some kind of a copycat aspect

440
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: to this that they know about the Charles Coling case.

441
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 3: No, I you know that that is something that I

442
00:30:54,680 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 3: thought about as well. However, insulin makes sense because you're

443
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 3: not going to look at low blood sugars in critically

444
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 3: ill patients so much that you would assume that they

445
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 3: are insulin levels. Their blood sugar levels would be off

446
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,479
Speaker 3: just because of all the other medications they're taking, if

447
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 3: they're septic or you know, it's a drop in blood

448
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 3: sugar is not something that's out of the ordinary, and

449
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 3: it's something you have to specifically test for that marker

450
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 3: that it is a synthetic insulin, that a body is

451
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 3: not making that particular insulin, and there is a marker

452
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 3: to tell we're not going to test that unless we

453
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 3: suspect that there's something going on. So for a murderer,

454
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 3: it would make sense to give them insulin because you

455
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 3: can't really backtrack on them and find out who gave

456
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 3: it to them. It's a really good way too, And

457
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 3: I'm probably getting tips to people right now. Jesus, there's

458
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 3: any serial killers out there. We will find you. We will.

459
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: It's just interesting to me because I work in pathology,

460
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: so of course when you're when you're gonna be any

461
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: kind of a good nurse or a good pa or anything,

462
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: you always have to think about the negative ways people

463
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 2: would do something. Yeah, how how how would you kill somebody?

464
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 2: You know, even though I'm not thinking of doing it,

465
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 2: I think like, well, how how would you? How could

466
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: you and get away with it? Because it doesn't show anything,

467
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 2: because that makes you think about how how people commit

468
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 2: crimes like that and stuff. But I don't in my profession,

469
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: like I don't know much about the drugs. I don't

470
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 2: give drugs to people. So it's just interesting that that

471
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: would be the my the mentality of a nurse to

472
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: say like, that's how you would hurt someone under the

473
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 2: kind of because I, you know, just as a regular

474
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 2: person like me, like I don't really think about medications

475
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 2: like that. And but you're right, it's interesting. A lot

476
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: of people don't realize that when you test someone's blood,

477
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: you don't just find every single thing that could be

478
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 2: wrong with them, Like you have to specifically test if

479
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: you're looking for something, yes, And that just wouldn't be

480
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: cost effective in the hospital to be like, oh, let's

481
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 2: test for this insulin mark on every patient to make

482
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: sure they're not killing patient lutely.

483
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And that's why Charles Culling got away with it

484
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 3: for so long too. I remember before he was fired,

485
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 3: we were actually blaming the lab because we could have

486
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 3: like ten seriously low, dangerously low blood sugars every morning

487
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 3: and we were all like, oh my god, I just

488
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 3: got a call too. My patient's blood sugar is like thirteen,

489
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 3: Like what is happening? And we just thought, oh my gosh,

490
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 3: the lab must have gotten you know, different testing modalities

491
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 3: or their algorithm is off. For we weren't thinking that

492
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 3: there's a murderer and the hospital knew. The hospital knew

493
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 3: that there was a murderer. The hospital knew that he

494
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 3: was murdering people, but they hadn't fired him yet.

495
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and just think about like, you guys are

496
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 2: confused with that, and you did bring us to the

497
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 2: attention to the lab, right you said, And then now

498
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 2: you have a whole other department that's involved. That's just like,

499
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 2: what are we growing up? Because something clearly doesn't seem

500
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 2: right here. Yes, So speaking of the whole mercy killing thing.

501
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 2: One interesting fact about the woman that we were talking

502
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 2: about this week, Heather Opresty, is that although she's forty,

503
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: she's forty one years old. She just became a nurse

504
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 2: like in twenty nineteen and started working and started killing

505
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. And prior to her becoming a nurse,

506
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 2: she worked in a vet office as a vet tech,

507
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 2: where she said that she euthanized animals, which is which

508
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 2: makes me really curious, like, because if you have an

509
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 2: animal that's that's sick, you would do that, right. It's

510
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 2: just it's just really.

511
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 3: Crazy, right, yes, And what that must have done to

512
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 3: her brain if she was already struggling with her mental

513
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: health and then to be in charge of really just

514
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 3: youthanizing animals. Like they say that you serial killers always

515
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 3: start on animals, They start small. Charlie Colley started on

516
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 3: animals and tortured animals. So, oh my gosh, that leap.

517
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 3: That is just chilling.

518
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 2: That's chick I know, it's so it's so disturbing. And

519
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 2: if you just were working as a nurse and someone

520
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,479
Speaker 2: an older person came in that just was a new nurse,

521
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: not that it's old but you know, she went to

522
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 2: school later than people normally would. You would you would

523
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 2: just be innocently like, oh cool, like you you upgraded,

524
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 2: you got a better job, and you're you're doing great,

525
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 2: and and you just wouldn't even think that think of

526
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 2: this stuff. It's just it's just it just is so

527
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: scary because everyone has to go to the hospital at

528
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: some point in their life and put your trust in

529
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: vulnerability into people.

530
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 3: And with this state of healthcare right now, with it

531
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 3: mostly we're staffing with these traveling nurses. And yes, I

532
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 3: was a travel nurse when I work with Charlie Colin.

533
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 3: Oh my god. But and I'm not saying anything against

534
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 3: travel nurses. It's just that idea that there is such

535
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 3: a turnover with nurses now that it would be even

536
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 3: harder for us to catch people, uh if they were

537
00:36:55,040 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 3: actually harming patients. Charlie was solidified in a position for

538
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 3: a long period of time, which they did find out

539
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 3: five hospitals did know at least that he was harming people,

540
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 3: maybe not murdering. Some of them knew that he was

541
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 3: actually murdering people. So it was a consistent issue with him,

542
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:24,720
Speaker 3: whereas now with traveling nurses, it could be at any time,

543
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 3: and we're not going to pick up on it the

544
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 3: way that we did with Charlie. I think the best

545
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 3: way for us to protect ourselves and to protect our

546
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 3: loved ones is to make sure that we're asking questions.

547
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 3: Ask what are you giving me? What is your name?

548
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 3: What is your last name? You know, how long have

549
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 3: you been here? So ask those questions because it's really

550
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 3: the people that are closest to the patients that will

551
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 3: be able to recognize things a lot faster.

552
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: That is one thing that I really like about the

553
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 2: way healthcare is going because I have, you know, I

554
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: have one of my kids has an autoimmune issue and

555
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 2: we're constantly like at the doctor, medications, treatments. I like

556
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: that I have access to all of her imaging, all

557
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 2: of her blood tests because I could see if something's

558
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: if something's not right. I mean, I know some stuff,

559
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 2: which is the difference the average person. It's not. But

560
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: you like, back even twenty years ago, you wouldn't have

561
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 2: access to your chart like that. It was like none

562
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 2: of your business kind of things.

563
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 3: I know, and I love that too. That makes so

564
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 3: much sense. You know, log on to your records, log

565
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 3: on read what they're saying, ask someone about what those

566
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 3: medical records need. And yes, I think I think that

567
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 3: is definitely one of the ways that they can protect

568
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 3: ourselves being a really, really strong advocate for yourself and

569
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 3: a really strong advocate for your family.

570
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 2: So how long have you been a nurse, Like when

571
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 2: did you graduate nursing school? How many years has it been, So.

572
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 3: It's coming up on thirty six years. But I also

573
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 3: worked as a home not a home health aid they

574
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 3: call them CNAs now, but okay for just an aid,

575
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 3: and I started as an aide, and so I've probably

576
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 3: been in the nursing field, well in the medical field

577
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 3: for closer to forty years.

578
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: So that the reason I ask is because we're going

579
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,760
Speaker 2: to stop talking about this depressing subject of serial killers,

580
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 2: and we're going to switch gears a little bit, just

581
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 2: because you have so much experience as a nurse. This

582
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 2: week in the news, Maria and I also talked about

583
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 2: how the CDC just put out a report from twenty

584
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 2: twenty one saying that there were two hundred and seventy

585
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: eight thousand er visits due to foreign bodies and over

586
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 2: half of them are sex toys. So I figured, since

587
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 2: love nerve, so what it's so good. And I didn't

588
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 2: even really get into all of my stories because I

589
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 2: wanted to save them to speak with you. But before, obviously,

590
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: with all your years of experience, before we start talking

591
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 2: about what weird items people are using for sex toys,

592
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 2: what other foreign items have you come across that are

593
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 2: kind of unconventional, either like a kid swallowing something or

594
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 2: anything like that.

595
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 3: We definitely took a lot of esafpageal coins out, like

596
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 3: that was an obvious thing I found. We found a

597
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 3: miniature Gi Joe and the kids knows why it's you know,

598
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 3: pulling that out and then like the little arms coming out.

599
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 3: That was time. But yeah, the number one memory that

600
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 3: I have with a foreign foreign body. I had come

601
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 3: into the er. It was still dark outside, and I'm

602
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 3: looking up. This was back in the day when you

603
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 3: popped the X ray film up onto the onto the

604
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 3: fillboard so that you could see. And I walked in

605
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 3: the doors open to the and I'm looking up at

606
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 3: the X ray and I see these words like perfect

607
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 3: panteen written across and I'm looking and I'm like, did

608
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 3: the X ray damn? Like was it? You know, I'm thinking,

609
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 3: oh my god, because we did some crazy things on

610
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 3: the night shift. So I was like, oh, that was

611
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 3: probably a joke. And I walked up and one of

612
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 3: the other nurses, she was so sweet and so old,

613
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 3: and she was like, oh, this poor man, he fell

614
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 3: on that panteen bottle.

615
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Why why does every dude say they

616
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 2: fell on something that got stuck up their butt? Like

617
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: it's who would ever even think that was possible?

618
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 3: Why would they just lie about it like that was

619
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you know, And yes, sex toys we

620
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 3: used to get like vibrators that were still vibrating, and

621
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 3: you know, they would come in sounding like you know,

622
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 3: they were they were brushing their teeth with it, and

623
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 3: that was always the best. Like we would have to

624
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 3: put them in the in a special room because they

625
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 3: were vibrating. And then I had, Yeah, I had one

626
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 3: patient looks like this weirds up inside their their colon

627
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 3: and it was a perfect X on the X ray

628
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 3: and it was a cigar holder they had put up there,

629
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 3: and then and another one up there to try to

630
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 3: get this the other cigar folder out and it got stuck.

631
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 3: So it was a perfect ex Oh.

632
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: My god, I can't imagine because it's like I've gotten

633
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: foreign bodies, so many good ones. Well, first I'll tell

634
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 2: you some of the good ones I've gotten that are

635
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 2: non non sexual. One time I got this thing that

636
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 2: said it was in the patient's stomach for like thirteen

637
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: years or something in their stomach, and it was a

638
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 2: patient that had schizophrena or something, and it was this

639
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 2: bald up thing of just black stuff which it just

640
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: looked like hemalized blood or something in the stomach, like

641
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: old blood around the around this item. And I was like,

642
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 2: what the hell is this because it was almost black,

643
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 2: and I kind of rinsed it underwater and it didn't

644
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 2: come off that much. So then I put a little

645
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 2: bit of like the bleach water we used to clean

646
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 2: our tools, and it revealed that it was like a

647
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 2: crinkled up gift bag, like with little tiny hearts on it.

648
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 2: Somebody ate and it just was in their stomach for years,

649
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: I mean, just like the craziest shit. And then we

650
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 2: had this other guy we would get every single week

651
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:16,439
Speaker 2: we got in another schizophrenic case of he would take

652
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 2: the tips of knives, like cut off tips of knives

653
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 2: and shards of glass, just really sharp things and swallow them.

654
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: But it was like every week, we were getting specimens

655
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 2: from endoscopy, from from them removing these pieces out of

656
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 2: this guy that was swallowing this stuff, and other things

657
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 2: from like bleamic patients, like a butter a huge butter knife,

658
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 2: from trying to make themselves throw up pens, pencils. I mean, yeah,

659
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 2: we got like a huge, like a standard sized butter

660
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: knife out of someone's esophagus. It's just like, it's completely

661
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 2: crazy to think about that. But anyway, we get all

662
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: this stuff and I never get to hear the patients

663
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 2: or because I never took care of these patients. I

664
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 2: just get them in a bag in the lab. So

665
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 2: what it when when these patients come in, I mean,

666
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: is that a common a common thing that they will

667
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 2: like they'll lie about what happened or some of them, Oh.

668
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, they definitely lie. And we would see a lie

669
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 3: A few times. I saw physicians, very heterosexually married physicians

670
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 3: who would come in with their boyfriends, and yeah, it

671
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 3: was it was really challenging the lives that they had

672
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 3: to have behind the scenes. But definitely some mentally ill people.

673
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 3: I remember one of them, he collected knitting needles just

674
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 3: to put in his penis and so he had like

675
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 3: an entire collection of different color knitting needles, and sometimes

676
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 3: he couldn't get them out, So I mean that was

677
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 3: probably once a month he would come in.

678
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: And when he came in, he would tell you that

679
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 2: was what he was doing.

680
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 3: No, he would he would definitely say, you know, just

681
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 3: just my penis is hurting, like there would never be

682
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 3: I think there's a knitting needle in there. And we

683
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 3: definitely pulled out other things out of his bladder, safety

684
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 3: pins and bobby pins and smaller things that he would use.

685
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 3: And again for some reason, those like little polly pockets.

686
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 3: Remember the polypockets. Yeah, yeah, we would. We were finding

687
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 3: polly pockets in like weirdest places.

688
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: It's it's interesting because when I went to PA school,

689
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 2: I never I never heard anything of it. Nobody ever

690
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 2: said anything about foreign bodies or anything. And I'll never

691
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: forget the first time I got one was it was

692
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 2: a travel toothbrusholder in a specimen bag that was covered

693
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 2: in shit, and it was from like a seventy eight

694
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: year old guy. And I remember just being so confused

695
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: because I was in my early twenties and I was

696
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: just like, what is happening right now? And then one

697
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 2: of the pathologists explained to me about the prostate gland

698
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 2: and how like men don't really talk about it, but

699
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 2: that's that's what gives them the best orgasms, and they

700
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: stick things up there to be able to up their rectum,

701
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 2: to be able to touch their prostate. And and I definitely

702
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 2: did find that that was that was the most common

703
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 2: sexual foreign body I got would be from men, rectal

704
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 2: from men. Never I actually never had one from a

705
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 2: female ever. Out of all the ones I've ever seen.

706
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 3: The only thing that we would find in females not sexually,

707
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 3: but they would forget they had a tampa in and

708
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 3: then come in with terrible infections and odors that were

709
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 3: insanely awful, awful, And we would always find these like

710
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 3: moldy tampons that had just necrused inside to their vaginas

711
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 3: and it was, oh my god, it was absolutely one

712
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,960
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Speaker 2: I I agree with you when you're talking about smells.

746
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 2: We got a tampon one time out of an elderly

747
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: person's vagina who was way past oh, menstruating, and just

748
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 2: it was really one of the most smell just opening

749
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 2: the bag and putting it on, you know, our cutting

750
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: board there. It smelled up the entire lab. It's it's

751
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 2: just it's crazy to think that you wouldn't you wouldn't

752
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 2: know that that was up there. But I think because

753
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 2: of these stories, I'm always like extra like double check,

754
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 2: triple check, just because I I'm so scared of that,

755
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 2: you know, it's like a fear of mine to leave

756
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 2: something like that up there.

757
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 3: Well, and also interestingly enough that these people would also

758
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 3: have sex with a tamponion and it just jams it

759
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 3: up there.

760
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 2: Further.

761
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, jams it up there further. You know, it's a

762
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 3: less ketball and uh and yeah, it's more powerful than

763
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Speaker 3: about ketball.

764
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: It just I know, don't you don't think about like this,

765
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 2: that space that you have around your cervix that's up there,

766
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 2: like you could you could really store stuff up there.

767
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:43,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

768
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was telling Maria that. I said, like that,

769
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 2: there's a medical term for it, and they say vaginal vault,

770
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,919
Speaker 2: and I'm like, yeah, because you could, like it's a vault.

771
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 2: You could store stuff all the way up there. You

772
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 2: wouldn't even know it.

773
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,479
Speaker 3: Hey, that's you know, that's what women do also when

774
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 3: they're smuggling things in mother countries or yeah, other countries.

775
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,240
Speaker 2: So what so you said you saw the Panteinge bottle

776
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 2: and I've I actually never got a shamp I'm lying,

777
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 2: I might. I think I got a Dove deodorant spray

778
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 2: bottle like them the deodorant. You know, Yeah, I never

779
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 2: had a shampoo bottle. But I hear lots of people

780
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 2: say shampoo bottles are like a common.

781
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, shampoo bottles. And now that we have Costco though,

782
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 3: shampoo bottles get a lot bigger. It is true.

783
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 2: You can't believe how big the diameter is of some

784
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 2: of these things.

785
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 3: Like it's it's mind boggling.

786
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 2: I had, I mean I've had. I told you the

787
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 2: travel toothbrush holder. I've had so many dildos and stuff

788
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 2: that's I mean one time I got a dildo that

789
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 2: was that had a condom on it that was covered

790
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 2: in poop. I just thought that that was a little

791
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 2: weird because I'm like, why do you have to put

792
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 2: a condom on a plastic thing?

793
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 3: Yeah?

794
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean I couldn't really understand it.

795
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 3: I can think of but I'm concerned about myself that

796
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 3: I can think of those.

797
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 2: But the crazy thing is is that if you were

798
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 2: ever to give a man advice, you would say, like,

799
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 2: use something that has a wide base, because if the

800
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 2: base is wide, But like, I've had plenty of ones

801
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 2: with wide bases that get all the way stuck up people.

802
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 3: Well you would never think that a Cosco family sized

803
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 3: panteen bottle could get stuck up there. But here we are.

804
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 2: I know, I've seen the craziest size things, and not

805
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 2: personally but on the when people send me things on

806
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 2: Instagram that I'm just like, oh my god. But the

807
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 2: craziest thing that I ever had was I had a

808
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 2: half eaten pair out of someone's rectum, a rectal farm

809
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 2: body from a man. And then of course I like

810
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 2: go in the chart to look and see what the

811
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 2: notes are from from the er, and it said that

812
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 2: man stated that wife stuck pair in his butt and

813
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 2: was eating it out like it's it's crazy, And obviously

814
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 2: for me to have a pair that's covered in poop

815
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 2: and blood is crazy. But then thinking about the the

816
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 2: the doctors and nurses in the er that had to

817
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 2: deal with this patient and number one had to take

818
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 2: this story down. How do you talk to a patient

819
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 2: seriously when when I mean, this guy was open to

820
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,479
Speaker 2: say what happened. At least he didn't say he fell

821
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 2: on it, but there were teeth marks out of this

822
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 2: out of this pair. And like when when somebody's talking

823
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 2: to you about something crazy like that, how do you

824
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 2: just have a straight face and say, Okay, I'm just

825
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 2: documenting this. You're not like what I have.

826
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have this this canned answer. I just say,

827
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 3: you know, we've all got his story, don't we. We've

828
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 3: all got a story. Yeah there was.

829
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 2: You just have that kind of person finality though, that

830
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 2: you could be like you're you're good, You're good, like

831
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 2: I've seen it.

832
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, oh yeah, we got this that one of

833
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 3: that this wasn't in an actual orifice. However, this is

834
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 3: a really interesting patient that I had, and a woman

835
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 3: just in regular abdominal folds. She started to notice that

836
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 3: there was species running out of one of her abdominal

837
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 3: folds and she couldn't figure out what was happening. And

838
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 3: she came in with a terrible infection. And so I

839
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 3: was helping the doctor just like and it wasn't a

840
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 3: large abdominal fold. I mean, it was fairly substantial. But

841
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 3: so we're holding up the abdominal fold and there is

842
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 3: feces running out of what looks like a hole on

843
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 3: one side. And as we went around a little bit

844
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 3: to the back and pulled up, it was a whole

845
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 3: role of mentos mentos that had fallen. I don't know

846
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 3: if she was lying down and had fallen into her

847
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 3: abdominal fold and she just from mental health issues, had

848
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 3: not actually cleaned herself very well and it had eaten

849
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 3: through into her coal.

850
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 2: Wow, yes, that is so insane. Yeah, so it just

851
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 2: so you're saying that the mento it was a role

852
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 2: of mentos and it just was laying there on her

853
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 2: skin and eroded her skin into her underlying bell. Yes.

854
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 2: You see, like this is like what I kind of

855
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 2: love about pathology because every single day I could hear

856
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 2: something that just blows my blows my mind, like more

857
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 2: than yesterday. Right, like you just you just never there

858
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:15,800
Speaker 2: there's an endless there's it's endless material.

859
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 3: You know, It's just it's still I still am shocked

860
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 3: by certain things though. I like, it's it's interesting that

861
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 3: after forty years, I can still hear something where I'm like,

862
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 3: what hell.

863
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like, I didn't even know that was a possibility,

864
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 2: never even thought of it. I know, I love I

865
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 2: love it so much. It's like what keeps me going

866
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 2: all the time because like I'm the same way. I'm like,

867
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 2: I have all this experience, I hear all this stuff,

868
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 2: and now like with Instagram and stuff, I get to

869
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 2: hear stories from all over the world, the crazy stuff

870
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 2: and it's like never heard that one, never heard that one.

871
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 2: Thanks forgiving me. I always I always like to say,

872
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 2: like I'm kind of a dork. We like at the

873
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 2: end of the day, I'll just sit there and be

874
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 2: like what's something like knew I learned today. I just

875
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 2: it's like and this is this is going to be

876
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 2: my pearl of the day. So thanks.

877
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 3: You have the most wonderful, beautiful dorkiness. All right.

878
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 2: So where we could stop talking about sex toys now,

879
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 2: although I could talk about them all day, But what's

880
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 2: going on in your life now? Like, what do you

881
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 2: want to share with everyone about? What projects you're working

882
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 2: on now?

883
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh, this project I'm working on, which Nicole

884
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 3: is going to be with me on this project, which

885
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 3: I'm so excited. I really have been concerned about the

886
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 3: mental health of our nurses and our healthcare. I hate

887
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 3: the word industry. Oh my gosh, it makes us sound

888
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 3: like we're, you know, in cogs of a wheel, like

889
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 3: we're from Taco Bell or something. That healthcare profession is

890
00:58:55,680 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 3: really struggling emotionally and mentally. And after the Charles Collin thing,

891
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 3: I really struggled so and I did it silently. So

892
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 3: I started going to workshops and retreats and really working

893
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 3: on my mental health behind the scenes. So I have

894
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 3: decided to put together the modalities that I used, and

895
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 3: some of them very non traditional. Different types of healers

896
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 3: and shamans and akashak records readers and gurus and medicine women,

897
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 3: you name it. Really cool stuff. Plus one on one

898
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 3: therapy is very traditional therapies and I'm bringing all of

899
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:47,919
Speaker 3: those together and an amazing team at retreats specifically for caregivers.

900
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:52,439
Speaker 3: So if you are a caregiver, then I would say

901
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 3: log on to the website. It actually just went went

902
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 3: live on eleven eleven. If you'd like to be on

903
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 3: wait list or learn more about it. It's most Important

904
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 3: Patient dot com and we came up with most Important

905
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 3: Patient actually with Don't clock Out dot org. Who is

906
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 3: They are a team that help people and the healthcare

907
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 3: community who are either either thinking about ending their life

908
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 3: or if they are struggling with their mental health. Don't

909
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 3: clock Out. They are going to be receiving some of

910
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 3: the proceeds from our retreats. But anyway, I would love

911
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 3: it if you were to at least log on see

912
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 3: if there's if you have any interest in doing that.

913
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 3: I will be at every single retreat and Nicole, you

914
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 3: are going to be at our retreats that at least

915
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 3: the next three I'm hoping you would.

916
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 2: You will, Yes, I will. I can't wait. I've already

917
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 2: I saw that the last one you have planned in Sarasota,

918
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 2: and Gabe and I were like, oh, we know we're

919
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 2: gonna because that's where Gabe's dad lives. So we're like, oh,

920
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 2: we know we're going to take them to dinner. We

921
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 2: already have. We already have our dinner planned out for

922
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 2: next year.

923
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 3: Well, you know, the first one is in June of

924
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four, and that one is already set as

925
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 3: being at the Marriotte in Savannah, Georgia, and the second

926
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 3: one we really wanted to have it in Sedona. However,

927
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 3: it looks like they are going to be it's going

928
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 3: to be too big. We can't find a venue to

929
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 3: hold everybody that wants to go to these events. So

930
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 3: I would say join the wait list because they are

931
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 3: already starting to with word of Milk sellout.

932
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it's really important that you're doing this.

933
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 2: It's it's some new, but it's it's almost like a

934
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 2: pioneering thing that you're doing here, because I think that

935
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 2: there's a lot of talk recently. There's been talk over

936
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 2: the past years about the mental health of like soldiers

937
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 2: who see people die all the time, which obviously if

938
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 2: you see your friends or coworkers are just innocent people

939
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 2: traumatically dying, that that could have an impact on you.

940
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 2: But there's never been really a focus on people in

941
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 2: healthcare that are around dead people all the time too.

942
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 2: And so I mean, if you see an older person

943
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,919
Speaker 2: that dies, it's it's like, Okay, they lived a full life,

944
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 2: their whole family's there and stuff. But then you that's

945
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 2: not the case all the time. When you're in the hospital.

946
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 2: You see horrible stuff of parents losing children and people

947
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 2: losing their loved ones young traumatic from car accidents or

948
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 2: anything even just cancer, like thinking about a young person

949
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 2: getting diagnosed with cancer and losing their life early, and

950
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 2: it's just it's just expected that you're supposed to just

951
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 2: be strong and get over it, and especially you guys

952
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 2: as nurses working on the floor, because like in pathology,

953
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 2: I see I've seen horrible, horrible stuff all the time,

954
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 2: even if it's just like a biopsy on a person.

955
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 2: I'll never forget one time I was I was grossing

956
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 2: a colon on a young girl like nineteen years old,

957
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 2: and I opened it up. They she had an obstruction,

958
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 2: and and I was just staring at it, and I'm like,

959
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 2: this is cancer. This is it's this is cancer. She's

960
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 2: nineteen and thinking like, I don't I don't have to

961
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 2: deal with their family, you know. So for me there's

962
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 2: a disconnect. I don't know what she looks like. I

963
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 2: don't have to take care of her. I don't know

964
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 2: her mom and dad and her boyfriend whatever it is,

965
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 2: you know. And and but nurses have to deal with

966
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 2: their families as well. And it and hearing people cry

967
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 2: and like really cry, and then you go home at

968
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 2: night and you're supposed to just be like a normal

969
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 2: person after dealing with that all day, sometimes multiple days

970
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 2: in a row. It's important.

971
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 3: And the interesting thing is it literally changes our brain

972
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 3: and we're not dealing with those emotions in the moment,

973
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 3: and just like a soldier, we hold on to those

974
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 3: things and it is affecting our everyday lives. Now. We

975
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 3: don't maybe have twenty years like I had to go

976
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 3: on this quest of figuring out how to feel better.

977
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 3: But if people have at least a week to just

978
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 3: immerse themselves and know that this is it is a

979
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 3: retreat specific for what we go through as medical professionals,

980
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 3: it just I could have used that. I really could

981
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 3: have used that, and I think that it would taken

982
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 3: me a lot less time if I could have at

983
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 3: least sampled and been awakened to other potential ways to

984
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 3: heal myself. And that's really what I want to offer people.

985
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 3: I know that I do have this platform, I can

986
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 3: at least use this platform to help other people that

987
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 3: struggled emotionally and mentally the way that I did and

988
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 3: the way that Charlie Colin did.

989
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 2: I think I'm going to tell you what's in your future.

990
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,480
Speaker 2: I think I think that this is going to be

991
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 2: almost a mandatory thing for nurses. Like let's say you

992
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 2: get two or three weeks vacation a year. You also

993
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 2: get one week a year where you have to go

994
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 2: and like address your mental health and address these things

995
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 2: almost almost like the hospital will pay will pay for

996
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 2: you to go do these things. I think it would

997
01:05:56,280 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 2: make It would just make so many things better for

998
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 2: for nurses in general, or anyone really working in healthcare,

999
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 2: but just even the stress that you guys deal with.

1000
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 2: Like one of my best friends is a nurse, and

1001
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 2: she has a lot of stress with like she doesn't

1002
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 2: feel like her floor is staffed adequately, and she gets

1003
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 2: really upset because sometimes patients will get really sick when

1004
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 2: they shouldn't because there's no one to take care of them,

1005
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 2: or even worse sometimes and coming home and just blaming yourself,

1006
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 2: and it just takes a toll on you. And if

1007
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 2: these if these healthcare professionals had a week to kind

1008
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 2: of unwind and learn that and meet a whole other

1009
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 2: bunch of people, and all you're doing is kind of

1010
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 2: forced to talk about it, because you're always just told

1011
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 2: to be hard, be hard and not let it affect you.

1012
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 2: But like a nurse, a doctor, a pa, anybody, we're

1013
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 2: all humans still, and we all have the same feelings

1014
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 2: as every other person, and you need to really address that.

1015
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 2: And I think what you're doing is is just it's

1016
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 2: it's awesome, But I could see it like being just

1017
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 2: this whole other thing within the next coming years coming up,

1018
01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 2: you know.

1019
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 3: And I hope that they do have those options to

1020
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 3: be able to spend that amount of time and immerse

1021
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 3: yourself in healing, immerse yourself because a lot of times

1022
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 3: what we do, we take vacations and we don't necessarily

1023
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 3: do the things that we should be doing with is

1024
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 3: taking care of ourselves. We do other things like take

1025
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 3: a cruise and go and get drunk for a week,

1026
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 3: which you know, yay you. I mean, if that's what

1027
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 3: you want to do, you know, if we go away

1028
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 3: or if we go to a conference. It's about once again,

1029
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 3: it's about work, and these are about really being able

1030
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 3: to immerse yourself in taking care of yourself and taking

1031
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:57,479
Speaker 3: care of yourself emotionally. The other thing that we've done

1032
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 3: is made it extremely unique that it's a way stay

1033
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 3: to Wednesday. So all you have to do is do

1034
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 3: one weekend and then add some days onto your weekend

1035
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 3: so that you don't have to be messing around with

1036
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 3: a bunch of weekends and try to move things around.

1037
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's good because obviously you're a nurse, so

1038
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 2: you've worked the schedule and everything and you see that

1039
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 2: that would work best for you. Guys. It's kind of

1040
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 2: it's funny because when you're saying all this stuff, I

1041
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 2: do recall after having my younger kids about them saying

1042
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 2: a similar thing to being a mom and just being

1043
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 2: like the most important person to take care of is yourself,

1044
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 2: because if you don't take care of yourself, you're not

1045
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 2: going to be a good mom, and it's it's kind

1046
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 2: of the same thing, like if you don't take care

1047
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 2: of yourself as a nurse, you're not going to be

1048
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 2: a good nurse. It's not selfish to think that way.

1049
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 3: And you know, it's interesting how I was always told

1050
01:08:56,479 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 3: that when someone comes at you or you're dealing with

1051
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 3: you know, let's say an irate family member or someone

1052
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 3: just isn't dealing with their grief, because we you know,

1053
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 3: we all have that with a patient's family member or

1054
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 3: a patient coming at us. And I remember being told

1055
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 3: to just send them love and that helps you calm down.

1056
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 3: And then I had a situation and actually this wasn't

1057
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 3: that long ago, and someone was coming at me, and

1058
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 3: I remember I wanted to send them love because it

1059
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 3: was what I was trained to do. And what I

1060
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 3: realized was I needed to send my self love. I

1061
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 3: needed to give myself that compassion, give myself that kind

1062
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 3: of understanding, and give myself a gentle space to be

1063
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 3: able to respond and react the way that I should react,

1064
01:09:55,840 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 3: and give myself that love. And then it's not about

1065
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 3: trying to heal someone else. It's not about once again

1066
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 3: making an excuse for someone else. It's about I get

1067
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 3: to respond the way that I need to respond, and

1068
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 3: I love myself for doing that.

1069
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 2: And I think that's why these retreats are so important, because,

1070
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 2: like I could say, from personal experience, like I have

1071
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 2: no idea how to do that. So while I'm there

1072
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 2: assisting with the retreat, I'll also be taking up some

1073
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 2: of the classes to learn how to do things. Because

1074
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 2: what you were saying earlier in the interview was interesting

1075
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 2: when you were saying that you didn't have to learn

1076
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 2: how to trust other people, you needed to learn how

1077
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 2: to trust yourself. It's like, that's just kind of mind

1078
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 2: blowing advice to me. And I think you need to

1079
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 2: hear things like that and learn techniques about that in

1080
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 2: order to to respond to what's going on in your life.

1081
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 2: And I just I think it could be not only

1082
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 2: be helpful for nurses just but for anybody really this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you don't have to be a caregiver to

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Speaker 3: attend these retreats. It's just that it's mostly geared toward

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Speaker 3: healthcare workers, but anyone, anyone can certainly come and get

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Speaker 3: those techniques. One of the things that I'm most excited

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Speaker 3: about is the professionals from from debriefing the front lines.

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Speaker 3: All of them will be there and they'll be leading

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Speaker 3: group therapies. They'll also be doing one on one therapies

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Speaker 3: with people who need deepriefings.

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Speaker 2: That's that's awesome. Yeah, I'm so excited for you.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited for all of us, and I'm just so

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Speaker 3: excited that you're going to be there with me.

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Speaker 2: I know, I'm so excited too. I had a great

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Speaker 2: time hanging out with you last time, so it was

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Speaker 2: it was awesome, all right? So where can where can

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Speaker 2: people follow you? Where are you active? Like on Instagram, Twitter?

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Speaker 3: Like, I'm not you know, I'm not on Facebook a lot,

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Speaker 3: but you can currently find me on Facebook. The reason

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Speaker 3: I'm not on Facebook a lot is that there's so

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Speaker 3: much politics and I end up getting angry.

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Speaker 2: I know, I just that's I try to tune it,

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Speaker 2: tune everything out because it's just yeah, I only follow

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Speaker 2: the page of my town just to see, like what's

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Speaker 2: going on.

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Speaker 3: That makes sense. However, on Instagram, i am Amy the

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Speaker 3: Good Nurse Amy Lochran, and I'm also Amy the Good

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Speaker 3: Nurse dot com. Uh for if anyone really wants to

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Speaker 3: do any one on one sessions with me, I still

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Speaker 3: do that. I still will book out for that for

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Speaker 3: healing trauma, and of course now the new retreats are

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Speaker 3: most importantpatient dot com because you are your most important

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Speaker 3: patient first.

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Speaker 2: Okay, awesome. Thanks. We'll put all of those links in

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Speaker 2: in the episode as well so people can find you

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Speaker 2: really easy. Thanks so much for being here today. I

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Speaker 2: always love talking to you. You're the best.

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Speaker 3: Love you, Nicole, love you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to Mother Knows Death. As a reminder,

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Speaker 2: my training is as a pathologist's assistant. I have a

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Speaker 2: master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.

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Speaker 2: I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed

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Speaker 2: or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of

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Speaker 2: a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website, and social

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Speaker 2: media accounts are designed to educate and inform people based

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Speaker 2: on my experience working in pathology, so they can make

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Speaker 2: healthier decisions regarding their life and well being. Always remember

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Speaker 2: that science is changing every day and the opinions expressed

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Speaker 2: in this episode are based on my knowledge of those

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