WEBVTT - Planet Protection by Solving for Circularity

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Bloomberg Business Week with Carol Messer and

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Quick Takes Tim Stenovic on Bloomberg Radio. So you

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<v Speaker 1>know all of you been listening and watching throughout the week.

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<v Speaker 1>We've had a focus an honor of birthday that is

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<v Speaker 1>this Saturday. All this week we've been tapping into our climate,

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<v Speaker 1>talking about sustainable food production and agriculture, eliminating food risk

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<v Speaker 1>and as a result, helping to reduce the massive negative

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<v Speaker 1>contribution that agg and food waste make to climate change.

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<v Speaker 1>Waste generally, you know, Maddie, it is a big risk

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<v Speaker 1>to our planet. We all make a lot of garbage

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just really hurting us.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's so true, and I think there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of misconceptions about recycling, and the Recycling Partnership has some

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts on how we can all be better stewards of

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<v Speaker 2>our planet. So here to tell us all about it

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<v Speaker 2>is the CEO of the Recycling Partnership, Keith Harrison, joining

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<v Speaker 2>us in our Bloomberg Interactive Broker's studio. Thank you so

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<v Speaker 2>much for coming in person to sit with us.

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<v Speaker 3>It's great to be here today, loving this.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you doing.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's been beautiful day in New York City. I've

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<v Speaker 3>been walking all around glad to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we were so excited to have you in person

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<v Speaker 2>with us. Give us like the top line here, recycling

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<v Speaker 2>does it work?

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<v Speaker 3>So worth the effort, also worth the effort of improving it.

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<v Speaker 3>Recycling Partnership is a nonprofit and I built us nine

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<v Speaker 3>years ago because I knew we needed a better option.

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<v Speaker 3>We needed a better system in the US, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>what we're after.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll go backwards because I remember growing up in our

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<v Speaker 1>grade school, we did paper drives all the time and

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<v Speaker 1>my family, we you know, stored our papers, tied them

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<v Speaker 1>up and brought them in, you know, a huge station

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<v Speaker 1>wagon full of papers. What is it that hasn't been working?

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<v Speaker 1>Because we've been doing this for a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>We all have.

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<v Speaker 1>Offices where we separate out garbage. Go to different states

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<v Speaker 1>and they separate things multiple ways depending on the state

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<v Speaker 1>that you live in. What hasn't been happening? So take

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<v Speaker 1>us back there and give us kind of a snippet

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<v Speaker 1>of what's going on.

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<v Speaker 3>We all learned about recycling in third grade. We understood

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<v Speaker 3>that it was good for the planet, good to do.

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<v Speaker 3>Put your your bottle, your can in the bin take

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<v Speaker 3>your papers back for the drive. So why are we

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<v Speaker 3>still talking about this? Well, I have a quiz for you.

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<v Speaker 3>You're ready, Okay, I'm ready. How many recycling programs are

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<v Speaker 3>there in the US?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I have no idea to.

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<v Speaker 3>Nine thousand different recycling programs. So when you're like, why

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<v Speaker 3>can I recycle that here but not there? What happens?

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<v Speaker 3>Why is that nine thousand? Now? I bet a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people listening to this story think about supply chains,

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<v Speaker 3>thinks about business. If we pull back and we understand, like,

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<v Speaker 3>what is recycling? At its core? It's a feedstock for manufacturing.

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<v Speaker 3>What feeds feedstocks starts at nine thousand different points. That

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<v Speaker 3>is a really tricky supply chain. So when we ask

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<v Speaker 3>ourselves why isn't recycling working like we want? We have

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<v Speaker 3>to ask have we really built it? Or has it

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<v Speaker 3>organically grown? The answer is a second, Right, it's grown

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<v Speaker 3>over time?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it basically because states could do what they want,

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<v Speaker 1>cities could do what they want. Is it just a

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<v Speaker 1>simple as.

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<v Speaker 3>Nine thousand different do what you want? And that's the

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<v Speaker 3>way that we work.

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Communities are different. We travel from one place to another

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<v Speaker 3>and some do some things better than others. And we've

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<v Speaker 3>put recycling on the backs of communities, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's time to ask should they be paying for that?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that their job? We all want it to just

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<v Speaker 3>work better? So what would make it work better? Well,

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<v Speaker 3>there's an important role for policy to play here.

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<v Speaker 2>So what would be the dream if you got to be,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the president tomorrow?

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<v Speaker 1>What would it look like?

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<v Speaker 3>I have written that down. I think about that a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>So what does good recycling look like? It means a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of things. One everyone can. Right now, forty million

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<v Speaker 3>American families cannot equitably recycle. They have to drive it,

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<v Speaker 3>they have to pay more. They just can't do it

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<v Speaker 3>that forty million households. So one everyone can. Two everyone does,

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<v Speaker 3>and they know what to put in. They trust it.

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<v Speaker 3>They know what to do with those yogurt cups, those boxes.

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<v Speaker 3>They understand.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't. I still don't know whether I'm supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>rinse them out. I still do it.

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<v Speaker 3>And you feel stressed out about it?

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I'm really serious, Like I'm like, oh, this isn't

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<v Speaker 1>going to be recycled, so like you know, but so.

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<v Speaker 3>So in the future, everyone can. Everyone does, because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>clean and dry in the bin, don't overstress about it

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<v Speaker 3>and what goes in. That's the goal of what we're

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<v Speaker 3>working towards. But we're not there yet. We can go deep.

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<v Speaker 3>What is your question?

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<v Speaker 1>In the but clean and the dry does everything that

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<v Speaker 1>should that is divided up, that is clean and dried

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<v Speaker 1>in the bin? Does it actually get recycled?

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<v Speaker 3>That's the big question, and I think that's on the

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<v Speaker 3>mind of public. Can I trust that this is worth

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<v Speaker 3>my effort?

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<v Speaker 1>And can I ask you? Can I just tell you why?

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<v Speaker 1>Because our kitchilll and team wrote a Bloomberg BusinessWeek's story

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was last month. It tracked Plastic Bag's

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand mile journey across season continents quote revealing a

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<v Speaker 1>nether world of contractors, brokers and exporters and a messy

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<v Speaker 1>reality that looks like a less like a virtuous cycle

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<v Speaker 1>and more like passing the buck. Those were the words

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<v Speaker 1>of our Kitchiel who wrote this story. It was incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>So it didn't go where we all thought it.

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<v Speaker 3>Was going to go. In that case, it did not

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<v Speaker 3>go as smoothly as anyone would want it to go.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that the ideal? No, So in the system that

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<v Speaker 3>we design, everyone can everyone does, and we know the

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<v Speaker 3>fate that you can trust that it turns into something new.

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<v Speaker 3>So for every one story of things not going well

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<v Speaker 3>like that, there are a zillion stories of things going well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yogurt cups turning into car parts, cans turning into more cans,

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<v Speaker 3>plastic bottles turning into carpet. But the public here's one

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<v Speaker 3>story about that, and they think, WHOA, I've been tricked.

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<v Speaker 3>And everyone is so careful, you know, has their ear

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<v Speaker 3>open for a trick right now. So it's a scary time.

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<v Speaker 3>So why did that bag turn out that way? I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's because we don't have a system. We have

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<v Speaker 3>this loosely connected, highly dependent network that we think of

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<v Speaker 3>as one thing recycling, but it's actually a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of stuff. Now, the fact that it left the US

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<v Speaker 3>to go get recycled somewhere is that innately bad noe?

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<v Speaker 3>Not at the not necessarily. There's lots of recyclables imported

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<v Speaker 3>and exported, just like there are purses imported and exported everything,

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<v Speaker 3>So recyclables function like that too. But do we need

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<v Speaker 3>more oversight into how things are designed for recycling, how

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<v Speaker 3>the systems are run, and who pays for them. One

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<v Speaker 3>hundred percent. That's policy, and that policy.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that something that you would hope for at the

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<v Speaker 2>federal level or where do you expect to see that shift?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, right now we're seeing it at the state level.

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<v Speaker 3>Four states California and Colorado, Oregon, and Maine have passed extended,

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<v Speaker 3>well even bigger extended producer responsibility. And so what that

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<v Speaker 3>means if you're a producer a company that makes packaging,

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<v Speaker 3>you are responsible for putting money into a kitty that

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<v Speaker 3>makes sure that the system in that state can take it.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's variable fees, so if it's designed for recyclability,

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<v Speaker 3>you pay less. If it's not, you pay more. But

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<v Speaker 3>what it's doing is shifting the economics to say, one,

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<v Speaker 3>we need a better system, two we need a stuff

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<v Speaker 3>designed for that system, and the economics of it need

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<v Speaker 3>to deliver the returns both for the planet and our pockets.

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<v Speaker 1>Keith, I want to ask you, Oh, I'm sorry, good.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's it sounds like the pain that is on

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<v Speaker 2>the company, not the consumer.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, we're shifting. We're shifting that. We're saying, company is

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<v Speaker 3>not just enough to design it to be recycled. Company,

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<v Speaker 3>we need you to be there to make sure that

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<v Speaker 3>it actually happens, and and and putting.

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<v Speaker 1>How do we do that though as a company.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's it's through a network. This is why I

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<v Speaker 3>think the Recycling Partnership is pretty interesting. So we're a

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<v Speaker 3>nonprofit and we're funded almost entirely by corporate entities, and

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of times you could say, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 3>then who's calling the shots here? But I think we

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<v Speaker 3>need more nonprofits like the Recycling Partnership because we were

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<v Speaker 3>designed to insist and assist. Now what does that mean?

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<v Speaker 3>When a company makes a pledge to recycle more? We say, great,

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<v Speaker 3>we want to help you do that, but we don't

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<v Speaker 3>we know that that's not your subject matter expertise, that's

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<v Speaker 3>our So we're going to insist you get there, and

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to assist help you do it. We bring

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<v Speaker 3>in subject matter experts. So I think you need transparency,

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<v Speaker 3>you need data, you need open books to really see

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<v Speaker 3>that the material is going where it should be going

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<v Speaker 3>in the recycling system.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like and we're talking with Keith Harrison,

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<v Speaker 1>CEO of the Recycling Partnership here in studio. We've got

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<v Speaker 1>about a minute and then we'll come back and talk

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<v Speaker 1>some more. But I do wonder you know ESG certainly

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<v Speaker 1>under the microscope and for good reasons. As we try

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<v Speaker 1>to really create more transparency, are we moving? Is there

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<v Speaker 1>a will to move towards greater transparency when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to things like recycling, whether what a company is doing,

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<v Speaker 1>and really the impact of understanding versus just you should

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<v Speaker 1>be recycled. We create products that can be recycled, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know once it leaves, you know, a company or manufacturer,

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<v Speaker 1>it's out of their hands, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that that call for transparency is across the board,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's not just how is a product design, but

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<v Speaker 3>what's the system there and how do you follow? Just

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<v Speaker 3>like you said earlier that they follow those plastic bags,

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<v Speaker 3>we follow it all the way through and make sure

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<v Speaker 3>what we intend to happen happens. And that's how you

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<v Speaker 3>present prevent greenwashing. But that's also critical to a healthy system,

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<v Speaker 3>which is what we want. Recycling will protect the natural resources.

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<v Speaker 3>We all need this to happen, but it's calling out

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<v Speaker 3>for better controls and better oversight.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to continue this conversation because I am curious

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<v Speaker 1>about what are the conversations you're having with companies because

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<v Speaker 1>they can do a lot but again, if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have one kind of big system, it's still going to

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<v Speaker 1>be tricky to really provide the efficiencies and the impact.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to come back with Keith Harrison. See you

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<v Speaker 1>have the Recycling Partnership here in our Bloomberg Interactive Brokers studio.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still not sure our do I runs everything.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we need to ask a couple more like

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<v Speaker 2>do's and domes in the next In the next go

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<v Speaker 2>around here, we'll bet well, we'll tease that.

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<v Speaker 3>Ahead for people.

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<v Speaker 2>We're back with Keith Harrison, the CEO of the Recycling Partnership,

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<v Speaker 2>and in the break we were talking a lot about

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<v Speaker 2>those instant delivery grocery services. I use Instacart, there are

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<v Speaker 2>plenty of them. But your groceries, Keith, they come in

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<v Speaker 2>those reusable bags that are supposed to be great for

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<v Speaker 2>our environment. But we were saying, I am personally drowning

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<v Speaker 2>in these reusable bags. I know that's an incredibly privileged,

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<v Speaker 2>privileged position to be in, but what do I do?

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<v Speaker 3>So? I think this is the very nature of this conversation. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>people want to do the right thing, but it's pretty

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<v Speaker 3>easy to say I don't want to choose the plastic container,

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm going to choose paper. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>use the single use bag. I mean use the cloth one.

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<v Speaker 3>But then the sticks actually get higher when you get

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<v Speaker 3>up up the chain on heavy duty materials, and so

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<v Speaker 3>the responsibility of making sure that you do something is

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<v Speaker 3>there with those reusable grocery bags. I would have to

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<v Speaker 3>look for a donation place for that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think the so I guess the question is like,

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<v Speaker 1>have we exchanged a bad problem for an even bigger problem.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we have. And it's all rooted in the

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<v Speaker 3>we want to buy our way out of this or

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<v Speaker 3>we need We're not we're looking for the quick fix

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<v Speaker 3>when really what our society relies on is convenience and

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<v Speaker 3>serving busy people. Every person listening to this show right

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<v Speaker 3>now has a million things going on between their company,

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<v Speaker 3>their family, their next steps, and they don't need to

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<v Speaker 3>be spending time worrying about do I need to rinse

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<v Speaker 3>my peanut butter container or do I just put it

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<v Speaker 3>in the bin. And that's why that's why the recycling

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<v Speaker 3>partnership exists, is we're trying to pull together the public

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<v Speaker 3>and the private sectors and overhaul this whole system. So

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<v Speaker 3>this public doesn't have to think about recycling all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>The system exists. The system exists, so you can just

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<v Speaker 3>recycle without thinking. And here's how you get here. Okay, One,

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<v Speaker 3>you pass legislation that you changes the economics, that communities

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<v Speaker 3>aren't carrying the bill, carrying this on their backs, that

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<v Speaker 3>they're not paying for this, that the economics are paid

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<v Speaker 3>for by the same companies that are producing it. Make

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<v Speaker 3>that whole system better organized, to make sure that what's

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<v Speaker 3>designed for recycling is recovered. So we're going to not

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<v Speaker 3>just hope for the best, but we're going to make

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<v Speaker 3>sure that it's designed and recovered there. Now, we did

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<v Speaker 3>a report. We answered this question, what would it take

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<v Speaker 3>to fix the US recycling system? Now, how do I

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<v Speaker 3>define that? Can people recycle? Do people will recycle? And

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<v Speaker 3>is the infrastructure there? The price dig seventeen billion dollars?

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<v Speaker 3>What we can find seventeen billion dollars And here's the deal,

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<v Speaker 3>thirty billion dollar return, A thirty billion dollar return in

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<v Speaker 3>resource conservation and US jobs. I think that's an investment

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<v Speaker 3>we can't afford not to make. And you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>we could do it in five years and talk about

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<v Speaker 3>something else. What would you like to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what I'm curious is would you go to Washington

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<v Speaker 1>or talk to somebody in Washington. Is there any will

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<v Speaker 1>to do something like this? It's not expensive, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just curious.

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<v Speaker 3>So I've worked in recycling for twenty five years. I

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<v Speaker 3>ran a recycling program, I worked for the state of

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<v Speaker 3>North Carolina doing grand Site. I was a contractor with

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<v Speaker 3>Boozellen working on EPA stuff. So I've worked all across

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<v Speaker 3>the different sectors. And what I found is that everyone

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<v Speaker 3>wants the same outcome, just make it work, but everyone

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<v Speaker 3>wants it for a different reason. And so we need

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<v Speaker 3>a marriage counselor like someone who's saying, this is what

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<v Speaker 3>our words mean. And for the first time though in

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<v Speaker 3>this twenty five years of working on this, it's only

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<v Speaker 3>been the last two three years that federal policy makers

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<v Speaker 3>have been saying, hey, what's my role in it? And

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's great. So there is a huge role

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<v Speaker 3>for federal policy because, as I said before, break four

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<v Speaker 3>states have passed state level policy. But that's a hodgepodge

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<v Speaker 3>approach that's better than the nine thousand different programs we

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<v Speaker 3>have now. But think about what happens if we have

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<v Speaker 3>one one where things are designed for system things are recovered,

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<v Speaker 3>and we get to address things like equitable access, the

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<v Speaker 3>environmental justice component of equal services.

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<v Speaker 1>So is the marriage counselor potentially the EPA and or

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<v Speaker 1>the SEC. So you kind of dealing with publicly traded

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<v Speaker 1>companies that there's a component that they're measured on, which

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<v Speaker 1>is something we talk a lot about when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to environmental impact and kind of doing it right and

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<v Speaker 1>recycling certainly could be a big part of it, probably should.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the EPA. I don't know, like, how do

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<v Speaker 1>you see it that it plays out.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's a there's probably a lot of marriage

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<v Speaker 3>counselors here. The Recycling Partnership as a nonprofit is one

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<v Speaker 3>that pulls together the public and the private sector, big company,

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<v Speaker 3>small companies, every human in this country. But I think

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<v Speaker 3>there is a role for regulation. There is a role

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<v Speaker 3>for standards. I'm really interested in data. How do we

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<v Speaker 3>measure progress transparency for the flow of material. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm keeping an eye on the UN Global Plastics Treaty

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<v Speaker 3>that's going to be a legally binding instrument to align

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<v Speaker 3>for some common standards. I think that if I was

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<v Speaker 3>running a company that made stuff, I'd have my eye

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<v Speaker 3>on that because it's gonna have what is that? So,

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<v Speaker 3>the UN Global Plastics Treaty. I'm headed to Paris next

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<v Speaker 3>month for the second I incs that the International Negotiating

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<v Speaker 3>Committee of this globally binding Plastic and Plastic Pollution Reduction Instrument.

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<v Speaker 3>And what that means is we can't just keep trying

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<v Speaker 3>to solve things here and there. We need to have

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<v Speaker 3>a common approach across countries. And so will the UN

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<v Speaker 3>have something that's really his teeth in it? That's yet

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<v Speaker 3>to be seen. But what is happening is that companies

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<v Speaker 3>are paying attention of do I want to wait to

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<v Speaker 3>be told what to do or do I want to

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<v Speaker 3>do that now? And that's the questions we get. So

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<v Speaker 3>we work with nearly one hundred major global companies that

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<v Speaker 3>either make stuff we use every day or sell stuff

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<v Speaker 3>we use every day, and they are aligning on common goals.

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<v Speaker 2>What are they doing? What is the biggest change you're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing that make?

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<v Speaker 3>So the biggest change is that they're understanding it's not

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<v Speaker 3>just what they do inside their four walls, but what

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<v Speaker 3>they do outside of their four walls, meaning what happens

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<v Speaker 3>to the bags inside your apartment or what happens with

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<v Speaker 3>your paper that your family makes, that it has somewhere

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<v Speaker 3>to go. So the biggest shift I see is our

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<v Speaker 3>companies who are saying, Okay, I need to make sure

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<v Speaker 3>that the infrastructure is there. Otherwise my goals will not

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<v Speaker 3>be met. Not because I didn't design something, but because

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<v Speaker 3>those forty million American families just can't do it. If

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<v Speaker 3>we can't do it, then don't tell the public to

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<v Speaker 3>do it.

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<v Speaker 1>So is it going to mean ultimately we continue kind

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<v Speaker 1>of doing what we're doing, but just amp it up

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe there's more divisions of plastic glass I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>and then and then there is a place and just

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<v Speaker 1>got about thirty seconds. I'm just trying to well.

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<v Speaker 3>So out of ESG, you know, the thing that worries

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<v Speaker 3>me most out of ESG is just this hot pot

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<v Speaker 3>of opportunities where people are throwing money at, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>venture ideas here and there that don't ladder up to

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<v Speaker 3>system change. I think we have to stop and pause,

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<v Speaker 3>use things like federal policy and the UN Global Plastic

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<v Speaker 3>Streaty to create consistency and shine a light on measurable

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<v Speaker 3>transparent parency for change.

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<v Speaker 2>Can we do like biggest mistake consumers make.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh quick, all right, I'm right, oh the biggest Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>well I think, uh, let's do some real fast so

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<v Speaker 3>pizza boxes. Put them in caps on bottles, leave them on,

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<v Speaker 3>clean and dry on your materials, but you don't have

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<v Speaker 3>to run them through the dishwasher. And the number one

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<v Speaker 3>thing is, if you're in New York City, you use

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<v Speaker 3>bags to recycle outside your apartment, but in most places

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<v Speaker 3>in the country, don't bag your recyclables inside your cart.

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<v Speaker 3>Leave them loose. That's the best way to make sure

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<v Speaker 3>that those all those beautiful recyclables get turned into something else.

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<v Speaker 1>Just throw them in a can and just empty.

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<v Speaker 3>Just throw them in your recycling bin, your recycling cart,

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<v Speaker 3>keep them empty.

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<v Speaker 1>Really cool stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, come back after.

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<v Speaker 1>Paris Harrison, CEO the Recycling Partnership here in studio