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Speaker 1: We're alive in Chicago, thirty felt like I was in

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Speaker 1: Thanks for making us part of your day. So I

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Speaker 1: saw his story, Mike McCarthy to the Steelers Blairs, the

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Speaker 1: headline why he'd be the right fit for Mike Tomlin,

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Speaker 1: right fit in Pittsburgh to replace Mike Tomlin. Okay, we

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Speaker 1: get at Pittsburgh. You have blue collar people, you like

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Speaker 1: your own. You don't have to keep reminding us. Mike

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Speaker 1: McCarthy isn't just older, he's old school. That was Mike mctomlin.

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Speaker 1: Right tone, deff to one side of the ball, A

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Speaker 1: lot of penalties, five years McCarthy was in Dallas, they

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Speaker 1: averaged seven penalties a game, led the NFL. You know

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Speaker 1: who has the fewest penalties in the NFL this year,

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Speaker 1: Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan. In fact, the four least penalized teams,

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Speaker 1: four young offensive coaches McVeigh, Shanahan, Zach Taylor, Dave Canalis.

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Speaker 1: That's the NFL, and just because you're older doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: you have to be old. Kurt Signetti is sixty four,

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Speaker 1: just one to Natty. Have you heard about how he

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Speaker 1: recruit roots and his view on athletes. It's very new school.

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Speaker 1: Like McVeigh. His teams don't get penalized, fewest penalties fbs,

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Speaker 1: they don't drop passes like mcveag's teams, they don't fumble.

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Speaker 1: Signetti maybe sixty four. He is all about quarterback playing details.

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Speaker 1: Richard Branson late seventies, still cool, still hip, still with it.

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Speaker 1: Jensen Wang sixty two, founder of Nvidia. I mean innovative, sharp, progressive.

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin Mike McCarthy are kind of the same guy.

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Speaker 1: Their football teams are loose, a lot of penalties. What

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Speaker 1: works in the NFL today is young coaches. Jamiko Ryans McVeigh,

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Speaker 1: young coaches who think young, making trades in season, Howie

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Speaker 1: Roseman moving off tone deaf coaches, pivoting off quarterbacks and players,

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Speaker 1: finding your next quarterback and putting him on a rookie

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Speaker 1: deal for four or five years as you build a roster.

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Speaker 1: All four things Steelers haven't done well. Mike Tomlin. Before

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers got there, they had a penalty problem. Aaron

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Speaker 1: as many picks. Suddenly they look detailed. Now that's Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: I got nothing against Mike McCarthy and Pittsburgh, but Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: doesn't do this hiring thing and they get a lot

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh is loyal.

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Speaker 1: The problem is they're like the guy who was married

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Speaker 1: Like he doesn't understand dating apps. They didn't have iPhones

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Speaker 1: social media when he got married. And that's Pittsburgh, Tomlin

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Speaker 1: and McCarthy. That's the same guy. Good coach, little light,

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Speaker 1: mcveigh's team this week in Chicago in horrible weather for

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Speaker 1: That's what's happening in the NFL right now.

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Speaker 3: It's changed.

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Speaker 1: So and the Steelers they don't just date head coaches.

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Speaker 1: They say I love you and propose after the first date.

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Speaker 1: Like whoever they hire. They're here for fifteen years, ten minimum.

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Speaker 1: And I got nothing against Mike McCarthy. I wouldn't put

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Speaker 1: he's in that second tier with Tomlin. Very very good,

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Speaker 1: I'm not anti, I'm not agis. I'm older, gray hair,

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Speaker 1: That's not working and winning in this league right now.

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Speaker 1: You can be a defensive coach, Demiko Ryans, Mike McDonald young,

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Speaker 3: For it, not tone deaf to it. So I know it.

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Speaker 1: Just Pittsburgh's like, listen, the way we're doing things works,

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Speaker 3: That's not it. Here's Art Rooney on the Steelers coaching stir.

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Speaker 4: Nowadays, there a number of protocols we have to follow

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Speaker 1: So when Jim Harbaugh got hired by the Chargers, Jim

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Speaker 1: The Giants had seven one score losses. In fact, they

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Speaker 1: The New York Giants are a right tackle, probably another receiver,

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Speaker 1: But I mean watching Jim Harbaugh get hired by the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: He's boyish. And my theme today is you can be old.

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Speaker 1: I'm okay with it, but you gotta You gotta be

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Speaker 1: somebody that wakes up optimistic, not cynical, that understands offense,

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Speaker 5: You build your team around your quarterback. I mean that's

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Speaker 5: do well. And i'd like. I like the way he plays,

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Speaker 5: malic his talent, skill set, all things he accomplished. But

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Speaker 5: I think we're gonna have a lot of great conversations.

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Speaker 5: I can't wait to get started with him.

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Speaker 1: So the other thing that's important and instructive here, when

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Speaker 1: John Harbaugh today doesn't just feel right this morning. Best

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Speaker 1: the blue tent. Because Jade and Daniel's injuries now are

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Speaker 1: We'll know by Thanksgiving. Next Thanksgiving, we'll have a feel

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Speaker 1: Four win teams are not all the same. Playoff law

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Speaker 1: If you're the Denver Broncos, win or lose this week,

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Speaker 1: John Harbaugh could have taken a lot of gigs, why

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Speaker 1: and generally speaking, I think whatever the country thinks, whatever

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Speaker 3: The home run derby. It's like batting practice.

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Speaker 1: You love it. I don't get the Pro Bowl. Every

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Speaker 1: I like. But here's where you and I totally, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: inarguably disagree. There is one thing that I think and

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Speaker 1: I said before the break, Diana Russini, top of Next Hour,

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Speaker 1: Phil Simms do today, I said, as I sent the

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Speaker 3: That you and I mostly agree on everything. I mean

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Speaker 1: I mean, day to day we may disagree on a

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Speaker 1: That was trouble at tendance down, ratings down. Baseball is

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Speaker 1: Don't blame the Dodgers for that, of the Yankees for that,

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Speaker 1: If the Dodgers would have lost to the Blue Jays,

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Speaker 3: Buying those players. You laughed at the maps, didn't you

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Speaker 3: It's funny they spent all that money. They stunk. They

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Speaker 8: All right, let's get started with any interesting press conference

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Speaker 8: that went down earlier today in Buffalo, Colin.

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Speaker 9: I don't know what on earth owner Terry.

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Speaker 3: He was very good.

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Speaker 8: Listen to the owner jump in and defend Bean and

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean I interrupt. I'll address the Keon situation. Uh.

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Speaker 10: The coaching staff pushed to draft Kean. I'm not saying

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Speaker 10: That was Brandon being a team player and taking advice

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Speaker 10: And you know, he's taken for some reason heat over

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Speaker 3: Isn't that player still on the team.

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Speaker 9: He is on the team.

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Speaker 8: He was a healthy no stratch, he was a healthy

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Speaker 1: The way, why would you do that when he's still

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Speaker 8: So it gets worse, it gets worse calling Oh good,

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Speaker 8: As soon as things get embattled, everybody coz he's up

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Speaker 1: Pick Keon first of all, and I Keon Coleman's disappointment.

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Speaker 1: Let's be fair to Keon Coleman, the young man Florida

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Speaker 1: You're maybe I'm panning the players here, but I just

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Speaker 1: I don't like calling out young players publicly, privately ream

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Speaker 1: them all you want, bring him into the office. But

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Speaker 1: I don't like Keon Coleman's a kid. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: he's listening to this, and I mean he's what is

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Speaker 1: he thinking to that? And again, that's all I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: is there there, This is weird, this is ugly. They

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Speaker 1: got the they got the PR announcement wrong. They waited

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Speaker 1: like two days to finally go to their social media

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Speaker 1: and give McDermott. You know, McDermott's laughing at all this.

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Speaker 1: You know what Sean mcdermot's doing. I told you it

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Speaker 1: was a zoo. I told you it was a mess.

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Speaker 1: Sean McDermott looks like he escaped from Buffalo. That's what

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Speaker 1: it looks like right now. Fair enough, that's what it

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Speaker 1: looks like.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean this is as a Jets fan, I

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Speaker 8: love watching the Bills implode and Colin, that's what's happening.

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Speaker 9: I know you don't love to listen to like fan bases.

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Speaker 3: The fan bise right now.

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Speaker 8: In Buffalo is so angry that McDermott got fired and

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Speaker 8: Bean is still employed. They've broken down his draft history.

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Speaker 8: It's abysmal.

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Speaker 9: Listen, I had to take Friday with Rachel. You were

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Speaker 9: out that.

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Speaker 8: I think the Buffalo Bill's super Bowl window of Josh

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Speaker 8: Allen has shrunk, and I don't know that there's much

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Speaker 8: of a window left. Colin, Let's be real, but thirty

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Speaker 8: years old, he has taken a lot of hits.

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Speaker 9: The injury started.

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Speaker 8: Haven't piled up yet, but he started to wear down.

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Speaker 8: We saw Mahomes crack this season. Cam Newton at age thirty,

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Speaker 8: fell apart. I'm just saying, Josh Allen, he gets a

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Speaker 8: turf toe injury and this is a five win Buffalo team. Okay,

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Speaker 8: things are not looking good for Buffalo right now. Now

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Speaker 8: let's move on to a positive story, and that's Mike McDaniel.

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Speaker 8: We talked about him a lot, the sharp genius, the

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Speaker 8: wizard who was fired by the Miami Dolphins. He's going

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Speaker 8: to the Chargers to be the offensive coordinator, pairing with

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Speaker 8: oh my gosh, Jim Harbaugh and Justin Herbert. Everybody wanted

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Speaker 8: McDaniel except the Lions. Apparently Tampa Bay was hot for him.

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Speaker 8: The Eagles are very interested. Colin is a great landing spot.

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Speaker 8: You know, Harball's not going anywhere. You know Herbert's not

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Speaker 8: going anywhere. Yes, and you get to go from Miami

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Speaker 8: to Los Angeles too, great American cities.

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Speaker 9: This is awesome.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a really really good fit.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna have a lot of mo They'll look a

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Speaker 1: lot like Honestly, they'll look a lot like the Rams offense,

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Speaker 1: a lot of motion, a lot of sets. He's a

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Speaker 1: very creative guy. You know, it's interesting. I think both

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Speaker 1: of both of us. Don't know if he's a head coach,

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Speaker 1: but he's a great offensive guy. And again I'll say this,

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Speaker 1: he got the Dolphins to the playoffs. I believe two

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Speaker 1: times he made too a pro bowler. I didn't like

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Speaker 1: getting Tyreek Hill necessarily because my take was they already had.

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Speaker 1: I think Jayden Waddle they and two is not a

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Speaker 1: deep ball thrower. And you're not gonna win super Bowls

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Speaker 1: because you have a track team. You're gonna win super

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Speaker 1: Bowls because you have good old line d line goal

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Speaker 1: to the Miami Hurricanes. There's a Miami team that's good.

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Speaker 1: Why trenches? You know, that's what wins in cold weather trenches?

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Speaker 1: Rams defensive front right like Denver, a lot of sacks.

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Speaker 1: So I mean to me, I think this is about

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Speaker 1: if I was Justin Herbert, I get the check book

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Speaker 1: out and I'd help like this because the trajectory and

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Speaker 1: the opinion on Justin Herbert now is like, well, when

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Speaker 1: are we going to see watch Justin Herbert's reaction if

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Speaker 1: he gets side.

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Speaker 3: This is so good for him.

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Speaker 8: I know you and I are equally bullish on Herbert

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Speaker 8: and the Chargers. Just remember everybody, they made the playoffs

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Speaker 8: the last two years. They'll get both of their tackles back.

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Speaker 8: Their rookie O'maron Hampton was injured a lot. He's going

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Speaker 8: to be back with Vidal. They got the receiving corps.

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Speaker 8: Gadston emerged. I mean, listen, if you want you want

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Speaker 8: hot take off season, this is a top three team

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Speaker 8: in the AFC next year. For me, Colin, I think

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Speaker 8: the Chargers are really now. They're probably gonna lose mintor

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Speaker 8: right the defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 9: He's interviewing everywhere. But I like a lot of things

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Speaker 9: about the Chargers.

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Speaker 8: Final story, it's going to Brian Dabole, another offensive coordinator

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Speaker 8: in high demand. According to Diana Russini, Philadelphia is conducting

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Speaker 8: their OC search with the understanding that Dable wants the

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Speaker 8: Buffalo Bill's job.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 8: If he doesn't get that, and maybe he doesn't want

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Speaker 8: to go into that MESSI cauldron over there, he could

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Speaker 8: go to Tennessee as their offensive coordinator for Robert sala Culin.

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Speaker 8: If Mike McDaniel and Brian Dabele do not want to

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Speaker 8: work with Sirianni in Hertz.

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Speaker 9: What does that tell you about Philadelphia right now?

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Speaker 1: Well, it's Philadelphia is a hard place to coach, and

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Speaker 1: it's certainly a hard place. It feels like to me,

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Speaker 1: a Sirianni has escaped the criticism. I mean, so Sirianni

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Speaker 1: sits there because he's got a trophy, and when you

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Speaker 1: get the job, nobody talks about Sirianni. They're not going

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Speaker 1: to talk about Vic Fangio, who's great. The offensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: is getting ripped for hours, regardless of who it is.

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Speaker 1: He's taken all the arrows. So to me, it's like

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Speaker 1: time out. You can all see that Sirianni is totally

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Speaker 1: reliant on coordinators. How about he gets the criticism, not

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Speaker 1: the coordinator. So to me, I think it's a It's

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Speaker 1: probably the toughest coordinator job in the NFL. Is the

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles a very loud franchise where you and I

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Speaker 1: and I've said this before, is I still don't know

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Speaker 1: if is Sirianni if he was available to the market

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Speaker 1: today as a head coach, would people be lined up

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Speaker 1: like they were for Stefanski or I don't think they would.

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Speaker 3: I could be wrong, So where does it?

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Speaker 8: You know, like some people are offense, some people are defense.

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Speaker 8: That hardball is a special teams guy. Famously, I don't

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Speaker 8: know what, Sirianni.

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Speaker 3: He's an offensive guy.

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Speaker 9: Oh really, yes, that's why he has to change his offensive.

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Speaker 2: Coordinator every year.

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Speaker 8: And Jalen Hurts is declining supposedly rapidly. And the Eagles

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Speaker 8: offense was a massive issue all season.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, huh okay Jmack with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping that. The

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Speaker 2: Herd line.

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Speaker 3: News we've established.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Mike McCarthy would be a disaster, but

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Speaker 1: he feels like more of the salm in Pittsburgh. Harbaugh

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Speaker 1: is gonna win ten or eleven games next year. Bank

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Speaker 1: it and stop telling me Kyle Tucker the Dodgers. That's

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Speaker 1: what really ticks the owners off. They're all billionaires. By

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Speaker 1: the way, Coming up next, Rex Ryan says Hire Belichick

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Speaker 1: in Buffalo. Nick Wright said that on the surface, it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: So there's a story out today that the Rex Ryan

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Speaker 1: says the Bill should hire Bill Belichick. He's my guy,

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Speaker 1: says Rex Ryan. Okay, three things that would worry me,

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Speaker 1: because Belichick knows the division and would love to beat

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Speaker 1: Robert Kraft and Mike Vrabel, because Rabel is the only

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Speaker 1: ex Patriot that doesn't kiss Belichick's bot.

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Speaker 3: He pokes him in the ribs constantly.

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Speaker 1: Because Rabel right now is a better coach than Belichick

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Speaker 1: is today. So Number one is you have to keep

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Speaker 1: Belichick away from pro personnel. He's so arrogant. He thinks

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Speaker 1: he's good at it. He's awful at it. His last

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Speaker 1: seven years were brutal in New England with personnel. On

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Speaker 1: Draft Day, I was told by two sources mid January,

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Speaker 1: he said, guys, I got it from here awful. Nick

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Speaker 1: Cassario left him, went to Houston. Now, Houston drafts as

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Speaker 1: well as anybody.

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Speaker 3: In the league.

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Speaker 1: Because Belichick had his thumb on him and Brandon Bean

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Speaker 1: is the GM of Buffalo. He's not known as a

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Speaker 1: great draft guy either. You know, he's a great cap guy.

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Speaker 1: He's a smart guy, he's a confident guy. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: have the best reputation in my in my sourcing as

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Speaker 1: a great you know, Jason Lyt and Tampa John Snyder

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Speaker 1: guy less need guy, Brett veach guy, Howie Roseman. That's

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Speaker 1: not his thing. He's not a great trade guy. He's

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Speaker 1: not a great draft guy. It maybe okay, he's not great.

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Speaker 1: Belichick's a disaster, indisputable.

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Speaker 3: Disaster.

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Speaker 1: Number two is old defensive coaches. This is a theory

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Speaker 1: of mine. They don't age as well. I think the

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Speaker 1: league's now getting younger with coaches, but I'm okay with

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Speaker 1: older offensive coaches Jim Harbaugh, Sean Payton, Andy Reid, because

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Speaker 1: offensive coaches tend to be creators.

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Speaker 3: It's like Hollywood.

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Speaker 1: Hollywood's got all sorts of seventy year old directors and

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Speaker 1: actors and writers and entertainers. Creative people age better than

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Speaker 1: brute force. And defensive guys are about toughness and volume

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Speaker 1: and there's a way to do it and authoritarian. Remember

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Speaker 1: the late Bobby Knight, how he ate not very well,

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Speaker 1: very restrictive, very rigid, my way of the highway. That's Belichick.

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Speaker 1: Belichick has said, you know, I only want to coach

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Speaker 1: certain guys, my kind of guys. I mean literally, he

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Speaker 1: made Matt Patricia an offensive coordinator. I don't think defensive coaches.

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Speaker 1: Old defensive coaches age as well. Brute force has a ceiling.

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Speaker 1: Creativity is ageless. If you're smart and funny and creative,

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Speaker 1: you could be a stand up comic in your seventies.

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Speaker 1: George Burns was funny, Dilly died. Creative's age better. That's

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Speaker 1: not Bill's thing. And the other thing is And we

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Speaker 1: got to be totally honest about this. Belichick. There's no

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Speaker 1: new guys in his circle. He hires retreads. Even in Carolina,

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Speaker 1: he kept Freddy Kitchens and that's another old guy, Bobby Patrino.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't want a new young set of eyes unless

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Speaker 1: the last name is Belichick, it's one of his kids.

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Speaker 1: I know that sounds brutal, but go look at his

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Speaker 1: new England hires. He hires guys that have failed elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: Where's his McVeigh on the staff or his Kyle Shanahan

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Speaker 1: on the staff.

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Speaker 3: Where are they?

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Speaker 1: Vrabel will go get it. So I'm not anti defensive guy,

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I think Demiko Ryans is great, Mike mcdonnaland

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Speaker 1: Seattle's amazing. I prefer offensive guys, but I can live

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Speaker 1: with a def Brian Flores. I've been saying this for

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Speaker 1: two years. Somebody give that guy a job. I think

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Speaker 1: he's great, but you can't let Bill do anything with

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Speaker 1: a draft. You can't let him touch it.

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Speaker 3: Brutal.

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Speaker 1: Secondly, defensive, older defensive guys. The numbers are right here.

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Speaker 1: They don't age as well. Third, he hasn't put any

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Speaker 1: new guys. I mean, Andy Reid's always got a new

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Speaker 1: young guy in the staff. He's got plenty of young guys.

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Speaker 1: I don't mind old guys on the staff. I'm not agist,

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Speaker 1: but you've got to have new, fresh voices and eyes

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Speaker 1: on your product. Carolina feels like family and friends, nor

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Speaker 1: you know, New England at the end retreads, let's bring

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Speaker 1: Joe Judge back. How about not you know? I mean again,

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Speaker 1: I think Matt Patrice is really good. For the record,

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Speaker 1: he could be on any staff I had, So I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I mean Silence of the Lambs was thirty

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Speaker 1: five years ago, but we saw what happened to the

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Speaker 1: first Buffalo Bill.

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Speaker 3: It's not good. I'm not going there.

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Speaker 1: Here's Brandon Bean on the Bills potentially hiring an offensive

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Speaker 1: head coach.

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Speaker 11: Now, we'll definitely give those guys every chance, but we

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Speaker 11: got to be careful not to just This is a

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Speaker 11: bigger job than just a play caller and a schemer.

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Speaker 11: I think we've seen where guys have been excellent play callers,

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Speaker 11: but they got to the head coach seat and they

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Speaker 11: couldn't handle the adversity, the conflict, management, all the things

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Speaker 11: that it's a CEO job.

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Speaker 1: That's for the record, that's exactly right. It is a

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Speaker 1: luxury when you get Kyle Shanahan, who's a CEO and

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Speaker 1: a great scheme guy.

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Speaker 3: Andy Reid's that. But Andy Reid also says I don't

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Speaker 3: want to.

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Speaker 1: Touch the draft. Andy Reid has no interest in the draft.

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Speaker 1: So you know who would I hire? Brian dabol feels

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Speaker 1: like he could handle the conflict. He's been in New

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Speaker 1: York as a head coach. This is a small market,

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Speaker 1: probably easier, let's be honest. Daniel Jones with the Giants

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Speaker 1: is harder than Josh Allen.

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Speaker 3: With the Bills. That's an easier lift.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry he's I mean, what are the three or

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Speaker 1: four things you need in the NFL? You need a

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Speaker 1: star quarterback, check, a great left tackle, check, an edge rusher,

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Speaker 1: Bosa check. They got a lot of checks. They really

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Speaker 1: check a lot of boxes. They got a new stadium,

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Speaker 1: so revenue's gonna go up. It's gonna be much more

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Speaker 1: attractive to free agents, got loyal fan base. I understood

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Speaker 1: the McDermott dismissal.

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Speaker 3: I did.

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Speaker 1: They just kept it was always something. But I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you since he left, it doesn't look great. I disagree

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Speaker 1: with j Mac. I think if you have Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: a great left tackle, weapons, an edge rusher, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: be fine. This is a league in which if you

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Speaker 1: have a star quarterback, as long as you keep redoing

685
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Speaker 1: his deal so you have some space to go get

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Speaker 1: a weapon, you're gonna be fine. The idea that Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen for seven years has done. Josh Allen had a

688
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Speaker 1: bad game against Denver. Josh Allen, it should be no

689
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Speaker 1: to MVP last year in the running this year.

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Speaker 3: If you have an.

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Speaker 1: MVP level quarterback, it's hard not to be kind of good.

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Speaker 9: Well, they're gonna be good. Yeah, they're gonna win seven, eight, nine,

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Speaker 9: ten games.

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Speaker 8: But the days of thirteen wins AFC Championship, Colin, they

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Speaker 8: got eight free agents who are starters. Okay, now you

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Speaker 8: got a new head coach. Don't know what that transition

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Speaker 8: is gonna be, Like, is there gonna be a new

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Speaker 8: offensive coordinator?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 8: What are they keeping Brady? A lot of questions. The

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Speaker 8: thing I keep coming back to is Josh Allen. Colin

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Speaker 8: turns thirty this offseason, has not really been injured. As

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Speaker 8: long as he's breathing, they're fine. They'll be competitive.

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Speaker 3: But remember, but win a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Remember remember Matt Stafford got to you know what beat

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Speaker 1: out of him for a dozen years in Detroit. He

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Speaker 1: is gonna be thirty eight or thirty nine super Bowl week.

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Speaker 1: He is still elite, and he doesn't have the ability

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Speaker 1: to escape. He's had concussions, He's had a litany of injuries.

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Speaker 1: He's thirty eight in Hummin. He's not the app He's

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Speaker 1: got a great arm, he's not the athlete. To Josh Allen, Also,

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Speaker 1: the league, you didn't have all this nutritional upgrades, the

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Speaker 1: quality of these quarterbacks and plu you know what they

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Speaker 1: the pliability stuff they go through. Josh Allen can play

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Speaker 1: as long as he wants to play because he's like

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Speaker 1: a great shooter in the NBA. He's going to have

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Speaker 1: an arm when he's fifty four. I don't worry about

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Speaker 1: that stuff. But what I worry about in my take

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Speaker 1: on this story with Belichick is every coach has a hole,

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Speaker 1: even the great ones have a hole. Belichick doesn't think

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Speaker 1: his hole as a hole.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: Belichick, with players already in the league, is very savvy

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Speaker 1: and very sharp. Bill watches Sunday Football. Do you think

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson coached in college football? Jimmy Johnson spends his

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Speaker 1: Saturdays for eight hours watching college football. Jimmy Johnson was

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Speaker 1: great with college personnel. When he rebuilt the Cow he

728
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Speaker 1: made that herschel Walker trade.

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Speaker 3: Nobody make trades like that.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy is one of the rare guys loved college football,

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Speaker 1: love the personnel. There's not now Jim Harbaugh because he's

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Speaker 1: con call he loves college football too. Look at the

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Speaker 1: Chargers last two drafts. They have been very, very good

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Speaker 1: because hardball loves college football, right, So.

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Speaker 9: I would be pushing Bill Belichick for the.

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid doesn't. Andy Reid doesn't watch college football on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: That's why he doesn't want anything to do with it.

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Speaker 1: And he'll tell you let Breadfeach do it. Some guys

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Speaker 1: love college football. Jimmy Johnson did. Jimmy's arguably the best

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Speaker 1: personal guy we've ever had as.

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Speaker 3: A head coach. And by the way, most aren't.

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll came out of USC first three years, seah

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Speaker 1: Owks were stealing.

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Speaker 3: Guys in the sixth round.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so my take is that that is Belichick is

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Speaker 1: not a Saturday guy. I mean, last year was a disaster.

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Speaker 1: He's smart enough to make the program better. Carolina should

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Speaker 1: be better this year. But this was for the record.

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Speaker 1: This is this story what Rex Ryan is saying. This

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Speaker 1: is what I was saying, and I think you were

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Speaker 1: saying it last year. Remember his contract had a very

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Speaker 1: quick out he did and I kept saying the two jobs.

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Speaker 1: He would look at Eagles with Howie Roseman. Now I

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Speaker 1: do I think Bill in Philly with Howie Roseman is

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Speaker 1: a GM that tracks because he's not going to be

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Speaker 1: near the personnel. But in Buffalo, where Brandon Bean is not,

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Speaker 1: he I and again, smart guy he's known as a

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Speaker 1: very sharp guy, great cap guy. He doesn't in recent

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Speaker 1: years have a great record, and I understand the draft

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Speaker 1: is hard. It's really even the great gms with all

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Speaker 1: the time. So I think Philly with Belichick, I would

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Speaker 1: support that move today.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, there's nothing here with Buffalo Belichick.

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Speaker 8: There's no chance a guy like Brandon Bean who's clearly insecure,

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Speaker 8: which is why he ran off McDermot. Zero chance he's

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Speaker 8: entertaining Belichick and you know ownership they don't want him

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Speaker 8: in there, so it's a non starter. I think the

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Speaker 8: real interesting one is Dable because Dabell is who made

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Speaker 8: Josh Allen. That's how you win the fan base back.

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Speaker 8: They loved Brian Dable, offensive genius. That was the best

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Speaker 8: years of Josh Allen. I think that's the move you bring.

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Speaker 8: You got to bring him back then, but then you

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Speaker 8: lose Joe Brady. The eir thing is there's no easy

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Speaker 8: fix your calm. This team is in trouble, man. I'm

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Speaker 8: just telling you they're not as much trouble.

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Speaker 1: Look around the AFC. The young quarterback checks disaster. Dolphins,

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Speaker 1: you know, just hired a defensive guy. Vrabel and New

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Speaker 1: England are going to be great and Buffalo is going

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Speaker 1: to be really, really good too.

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Speaker 3: Those two are going to run this division for years.

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Speaker 1: That's the reality is fourteen teams make the playoffs, you know,

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Speaker 1: seven each conference. If Josh Allen is upright, they're going

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Speaker 1: to be in that playoff chase Week sixteen, seventeen eighteen

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Speaker 1: for the next decade.

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Speaker 3: Coming up next, it's the hurd