1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: All the media. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 2: It's me James, and before we listen to this episode today, 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 2: I just did want to make you aware that I 4 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 2: conducted these interviews in French and Spanish, mostly Spanish, and 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: then transcribed and translated them. So what you're hearing is 6 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 2: a translated interview that's being edited for brevity and content. 7 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 3: I hope you enjoyed the episode, just you. 8 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 4: Finding yourself there and seeing how the environment looks like 9 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 4: you feel like you should give up. I cried it 10 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 4: grace of work for you to actually stand by and 11 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 4: say no, I'll keep on struggling. A lot of people 12 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 4: who give up, a lot of someone dies. Let it die. 13 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 4: People who were crying. Yeah, yes, we let people swear crying. 14 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 4: They didn't know how they could continue. It's not an 15 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 4: easy situation. It's not really an easy situation. Actually, it's 16 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 4: just the grace of God for us surviving, because I 17 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 4: can't say it's by my strength. It's actually the grace 18 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 4: of God. Because what we actually went through, we met 19 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 4: people living collapsed. We had to help them. You meet 20 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 4: your body, you give a lifting hand. It's not really 21 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 4: an easy thing. It's not something that if we are 22 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 4: fine tomorrow can advise any of our family members to 23 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 4: go through, because it's so that it's risky if your 24 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 4: family member is in there and it's not out. It 25 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 4: takes the grace of God for you to even lie 26 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 4: on your bed and close all your eyes either. Once 27 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 4: I survived, by the grace of God, I almost drowned. 28 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,119 Speaker 4: In fact, I was drowning. 29 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 5: By the grace of God. 30 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 6: I was rescued. 31 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 5: Yes, some guys that rescued me. I was already drowned. 32 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 5: I was gone. I was gone. 33 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 7: I was drinking water. 34 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: Very readily all throughout the journey. North Margarets have little 35 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: choice but to rely on one another and the solidarity 36 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 2: of strangers. I heard dozens of stories that you've just 37 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: heard in my time in the Daddy End. Total strangers 38 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: who save each other's lives risk their own in the process. 39 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: For vers, it could only be crossed to people from 40 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 2: three different continents joined arms to form a human chain 41 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: the children and smaller people could hold on to to 42 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: avoid being swept downstream. Not everyone can help. Just surviving 43 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: the Dalian takes all of what many people have, But 44 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 2: for the people who are in a position to even 45 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 2: in desperate times, there's mutual support among the migrants. 46 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 4: Very few people who are ever will help you. They're 47 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,119 Speaker 4: very few people. Only people who are time can actually help. 48 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 4: That people will pass you by, and that people if 49 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 4: you have lost your strength, it's not easy for another 50 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 4: person to actually break though. We can really appreciate those 51 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 4: who help, because having your strength is another You must 52 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 4: help yourself before you can help another person, right, so 53 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 4: if you can really have their strength, it will be 54 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 4: difficult for you need to help another. So we don't 55 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,399 Speaker 4: really condemn them, but at least we are praying where 56 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 4: we are bleeding on our brothers worst still behind, that 57 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 4: if they meet people, if they have the ability to help, 58 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 4: this should do so. Of course, it's not really uneasy 59 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 4: something give. 60 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 2: Sometimes reporting on these places compete them as bleak, unwelcoming 61 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 2: or just miserable and certainly very sad. Things happen in 62 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 2: the jungle and in the camps, in human things, But 63 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 2: just like war or a natural disaster, sometimes the horrible 64 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 2: circumstances of the migration trail bring out the best in people. 65 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 2: As I've said before in this series, I'm comfortable in 66 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 2: the refugee camps at least in part because people there 67 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 2: are looking out for one another. Kids don't stop playing 68 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: the moment they become refugees, not an adults stop laughing. 69 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: In fact, these things become even more important that how 70 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: we keep our humanity in a system that's inherently dehumanizing. 71 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: And people don't stop organizing or caring about one another either. 72 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: It's not just the migrants, of course. One of the 73 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: families who've been stuck in Baho Jigito for almost a 74 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: month was given some money by a local Sender Front 75 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 2: member to take a bus. In Mexico, those who don't 76 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: have enough money to take buses will hop on freight 77 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 2: trains and as they speed through towns and rail yards 78 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 2: at night, local people will throw plastic bags of food, water, 79 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: and clothing to them. In Panama City, I visited a 80 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 2: Jesuit run shelter for migrants called Fate. 81 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 6: Well Numbers. Cordniho is Coordina or the Promotion Social Accompanimento. 82 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 3: Panama. 83 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 8: Alberto went down a Darien recently, and we know from 84 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 8: firsthand experience that the difficulty they have is moving. So 85 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 8: some don't go through the stations, but they stay, so 86 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 8: they appear here in the city, and so they arrive here, 87 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 8: and some decide to stay and forego all the difficulty 88 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 8: of moving forward. 89 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 2: Despite having been set up as a refuge recent changes 90 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 2: to Panamanian law had made that work difficult. 91 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 8: We had to start that service because the state literally 92 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 8: prohibited us as agencies from providing a shelter, and under 93 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 8: the premise that if we gave them shelter without them 94 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 8: asking for it, they could consider us as human traffickers. 95 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 8: So what we do now is we give them food 96 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 8: and if they decide to stay well, we help them 97 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 8: with certain processes that we can call humanitarian aid for sustainability. 98 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 2: I've seen a wide variety of faith based aid in 99 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 2: my time at the border. Much of it has been fantastic, 100 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: but with more than a decade of refugee camps from 101 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 2: resource pot settings, I've also learned to be a bit 102 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: wary of faith based charity. But something Elias said early 103 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 2: in our talk gave me a great deal of respect 104 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: for him. It's not justin he said it, but he 105 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 2: took the time to address his comments to me as 106 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 2: a journalist because he saw this as a problem in 107 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 2: part created by the media. Ford it worth. I think 108 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 2: he's right. It's something that as we try and help 109 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 2: my on a difficult journey. We must always keep in 110 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: mind he might come from a very different background than 111 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: my mutual aid group, but we do seem to share 112 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 2: the same belief in solidarity with the migrants. 113 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 3: There's a fortunate. 114 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 5: Unfortunately much of the media narrative. 115 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 8: What they do is they victimize and ridicule people in 116 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 8: family groups and turn them into pariahs and beggars. Then 117 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 8: that is insulting to the dignity of the person. So 118 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 8: the way they portray migration is shameful in some cases, 119 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 8: and this is very difficult. Well for this, yes, I 120 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 8: think that's very important. 121 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 2: After this, I figured I address the issue head on. 122 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 2: I'm asking about the many churches in Christians I see 123 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 2: preaching hate against people coming to the southern border of 124 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: the US. 125 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 8: There is a sector in the Catholic Church and the 126 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:56,799 Speaker 8: Evangelical Church that opposes it and is more closely linked, 127 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 8: and they are in fact they are they're benefactors of 128 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 8: Trump's campaign. So this one and this one are there, well, well, 129 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 8: those are like groups that are rejecting, let's say, the 130 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,239 Speaker 8: basic principle of the church, which is that we must 131 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 8: welcome migrants and refugees. So they fundamentally reject it. So 132 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 8: they invent all these narratives that Haitians practice voodoo and 133 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 8: they eat pets and this and that or that and 134 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 8: it's shameful mean, or like the Venezuelans, that the majority 135 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 8: of them are from Triande Aragua gang or that they 136 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 8: come from areas that are what you call problematic or chauvannista, 137 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 8: and that. 138 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 5: They are infuriating or that or that. 139 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 8: All the same narrative that was created when when the 140 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 8: Maritos left Cuba. And it's not that the Cuban government 141 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 8: is sending all the prisoners on the Mariel boats to. 142 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 5: Invade the un United States. It's the same narrative. 143 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 2: Then they asked what he thought of the government's plans 144 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: to close the day Enda if they could even do that. 145 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 8: People ask me, do you think the Darian gap is 146 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 8: going to close and that migration is going to disappear? 147 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 8: And I say, ask the Mexicans and the North Americans 148 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 8: if the Sonara Desert has stopped being a corridor for 149 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 8: people after Trump, Because there was a time when all 150 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 8: the media was focused on the migration that passed through 151 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 8: the Sonara and everything continues to happen, But then it 152 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 8: became invisible and ceased to exist for them. But people 153 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 8: continue to pass through and people continue to die. So 154 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 8: as you say this, this is going to continue. Maybe 155 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 8: not a half a million people, but the flow is 156 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 8: going to continue. 157 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 5: It's going to continue. 158 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 8: And then the question we should ask ourselves is what 159 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 8: are we going to do or how are we going 160 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 8: to accompany this flow? How are we going to accompanies 161 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 8: these lives? And in what way can let these people's 162 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 8: lives impact us? 163 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: But like so many of us who work along the board, 164 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: he says, he's constantly fighting. It's negative messaging that encourages 165 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 2: people not to follow the natural impulse to help and 166 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 2: take care of one another. 167 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 8: So it's not a question of how I always say, 168 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 8: and sometimes they tell me, oh that you always speak 169 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 8: so badly of Panama, But it's not speaking badly of Panama. 170 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 8: I love my country and I feel that we in general, 171 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 8: the Panamanian communities are very welcoming and very affectionate with 172 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 8: the migrants. The problem is the narrative that is created 173 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 8: and then it generates to stimuli that end up with 174 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 8: a situation where are not seen so positively. And consequently, 175 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 8: last week we had a meeting perhaps on national reality, 176 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 8: and we touched on the subject of immigrants, and the 177 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 8: first reaction was, no, it's not the state that pays 178 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 8: the fare of the migrants. 179 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 5: It's not that. I mean, they pay their own fare. 180 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 2: After a week of my interview requests being declined by 181 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 2: NGOs and government offices, I found my talk with Father 182 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 2: Alias refreshing. It's nice to know that you're not the 183 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 2: only one who sees the system as it is, which 184 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 2: is fundamentally flawed and entirely propped up by misinformation, hatred 185 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 2: and ignorance. But I don't want to get bogged down 186 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 2: on that. Father Alias told me that when he sees migrants, 187 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 2: he sees God in them, and that he experiences his 188 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 2: faith by helping others. My early experienced religion came in 189 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 2: high school from a priest who was a teacher who'd 190 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 2: been part of the anti apartheid movement in South Africa. 191 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 2: I'm not a religious person in myself, but I can 192 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 2: understand how seeing God and other people is not that 193 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 2: far from my own politics. Lifit seeing God and know 194 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: the people that in pels people stand up against apartheid 195 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: or to dedicate their lives to helping migrants. Then I 196 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 2: respect that. So after we come back, I want to 197 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 2: try and answer the question that pythea Alias ask, what 198 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 2: can you do? 199 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 3: Ran into them. 200 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 2: After getting back from the Dad End and hearing the 201 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 2: migrants share their struggles as they waited in Mexico for 202 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 2: an outlest designed to lay and discourage them, I really 203 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 2: struggled to come to terms with everything I'd seen and 204 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 2: was hearing. A bid to plenty of dangerous places, and 205 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 2: seen war, state violence, and terrorism. I know the tragedy 206 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 2: of death and violence, but the slow and deliberate suffering 207 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 2: inflicted on migrants, for people who lied to us every 208 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 2: day on television, is particularly hard to bear for me. 209 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 2: As I mentioned at the start of this series, I 210 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,719 Speaker 2: think the grim reality of our migration system. On my 211 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 2: first day in Barjiguito, little girl's head hanging limply from 212 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 2: a makeshift stretcher a strangers carried her into town. It's 213 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 2: also cruel, so deliberate, and so unnecessary, and it felt 214 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 2: so disempowering. But that doesn't mean there's nothing you can do. 215 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 2: It doesn't mean there's nothing I can do. 216 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 6: All right, Basically, what we're gonna be doing is we're 217 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 6: gonna go this way. I mean, we're gonna start. We're 218 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 6: gona go down into this well, We're gonna go that 219 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 6: way and see where the light break is on the 220 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 6: mid of the hill in between those hills running cut up. 221 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 6: I'm up in that area. 222 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 2: That's James card Era of Border Kindness, sitting at the 223 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 2: roof of a group of five of us set out 224 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 2: on a water drop in the mountains east of the Cumber. 225 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 2: It's an area called Valley of the Moon, where boulders 226 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 2: the size of trucks stack up against each other, where 227 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,599 Speaker 2: people have been crossing the border for decades. This is 228 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 2: a remote area and not unlike the daddy En. Much 229 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 2: of it is nearly impossible to access in a car. 230 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 2: To get water out here, we have to walk. And 231 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,079 Speaker 2: if you run out of water or injure yourself, you 232 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 2: can't walk out of here. It's possible you'll die, just 233 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 2: like the migotes do in the jungle. People get robbed here, 234 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 2: just like in the dad Enn And if it wasn't 235 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 2: for the five of us with our backpacks full of water, 236 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 2: people could die of first here just like they do 237 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 2: in the jungle. I thought I was packing water bottles 238 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 2: into my frame pack. I thought about little kids I've 239 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 2: met in Baho Chiquito. This isn't the place for children either, 240 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 2: but over the last eighteen months, I've met hundreds of 241 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 2: them out here. I've given them my jackets and hats, 242 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: warmed up milk for babies in my camping stove, and 243 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 2: even wrapped a little girl up in a milar blanket 244 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 2: with me to warm her up last year. Just like 245 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 2: the Dadienne, the suffering here is out of sight and 246 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 2: out of mind for most Americans, and in a year 247 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 2: where we're constantly being told democracies under threat, I think 248 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 2: a bear is mentioning that migrants are treated as humans 249 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 2: without rights even when they're inside this country, and that 250 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 2: their lives are seen as dispensable so long as whoever 251 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 2: is in office can look quote tough on migration and 252 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 2: make TV pundits and big money donuts happy. There weren't 253 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 2: any TV pundits or big money dons on our water 254 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 2: drop a few of us everyday people. Some people come 255 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 2: out here because their family members across the desert. Some 256 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 2: come out because everyone who crosses a desert is part 257 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 2: of our family. Like Bonnio said, in all humans are brothers, 258 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 2: and none of us want our brothers or sisters to 259 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: die in their mountains, whatever their passport might say. And 260 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 2: so nearly every weekend, people all along the border load 261 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 2: up heavy bags for supplies. On this drop, each of 262 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 2: us filled our packs with water, cans of tuna, pineapple soup, 263 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 2: some warm clothing, and in this case an audio. 264 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 6: Recorder recording recording in progress. 265 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 2: Of course, just gave me an opportunity to discuss my 266 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 2: life's calling. Ensuring the correct fit of backpack harness systems. 267 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, you can release those, Yeah, it. 268 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 2: Just doesn't wrap the cantrap. 269 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 9: You either haven't drum the weight out or like, please 270 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 9: have adjustable frames so you can make them fit with 271 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 9: those days. 272 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 2: Bad for that. With everyone suitably adjusted and ergonomically optimized, 273 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: we twisted on the audio record as I'd attached the 274 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: straps of our packs and set off. 275 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: I just feel bad for you. 276 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 5: What are. 277 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 2: From the edge of the dirt road we took our 278 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 2: first steps into the desert. 279 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 6: The first part is gonna be a little slippery. You 280 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 6: eat shit, It's okay, and don't be embarrassed. It happens. 281 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: This part of the border isn't that far from a 282 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 2: Cumba where this time last year James and I spent 283 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 2: a freezing night trying to keep people alive, running our 284 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 2: camping stoves on full blast, giving away our own jackets 285 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 2: who needed them more than us. At that time, I 286 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 2: just returned from a trip to North and East Syria, 287 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 2: which was stressful in its own way, and seeing both 288 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 2: what people are leaving and how we treat them when 289 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 2: they arrive here really piss me off. A year later, 290 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 2: with bags full of water, JMS and I spoke about 291 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 2: things and how they got so much worse in the 292 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: last two years, but press coverage and more importantly, donations 293 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 2: have been way lower. It's same story up and down 294 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 2: the border, record deaths, newer and harder migration routes, different 295 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 2: migration patterns, and the people who cried outside ice detention 296 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 2: centers in Trump's first term cheering for more walls and 297 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 2: bigger DHS budgets. Meanwhile, unlike the Trump era, we don't 298 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 2: have the support of thousands of liberal people in California's 299 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 2: big cities. After the Democrats cynically use migrant suffering in 300 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 2: their twenty twenty campaign, they abandoned them upon acquiring power, 301 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 2: and their supporters have mostly followed them, so that left 302 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 2: five of us this particular morning to load up bags 303 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 2: and do the life saving work of dropping water. On 304 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 2: top of all the state violence, there's been more and 305 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 2: more interference with the water drops, and as we got 306 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 2: further into our route, we made the increasingly calmon discovery 307 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: that someone had taken it upon themselves to destroy our supplies. 308 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 2: O smn of ice. 309 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 3: See that's probably. 310 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 6: Slash ye sorry by the person's making a smirnoff ice. 311 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 3: Yeah he's wrong. Yeah, they all lunched motherfuckers. 312 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 6: I mean, I'm assuming it's a person who brought the 313 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 6: smirnoff ice because it seems like a smirnofvi's activity feed fella. Yeah, 314 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 6: I don't see a VP agent rolling threw with the 315 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 6: smirnoff Iyes. 316 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 2: This isn't unique to border kindness. Someone has been shooting 317 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 2: supplies left by Borderlands Relief Collective half an hour west 318 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 2: of here recently, up and down the border. The combination 319 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 2: of total liberal inattention and xenophobic right wing hate whipped 320 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 2: up by streamers who I won't name and pseudo journalistic 321 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 2: grifters who I will name, like Bill Maluganlugan, of course, 322 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 2: was previously famous for claiming that the cop had a 323 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 2: tampon dropped in his coffee. In twenty twenty. Spoiler alert 324 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 2: if you're not familiar, this wasn't true. Belugan now works 325 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 2: as a quote unquite border reporter for Fox. 326 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 7: Danny, Good morning to you. We are in Santa Siegro, 327 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 7: a part of San Diego, right now, where hundreds of 328 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 7: illegal immigrants have just been massed street released from border 329 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 7: patrol custody. This bus you see right here is apparently 330 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 7: an NGO or volunteer organization bus. They've all just gotten 331 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 7: off a border patrol bus. Two of them actually, they're 332 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 7: now waiting to board this bus. I've talked to several 333 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 7: of them from Peru, from India, from Colombia. The group 334 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 7: from Peru told me they are here to work. They 335 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 7: are going to Atlanta and Minneapolis to see if we 336 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 7: can talk to some of them real quick. Old espanon 337 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 7: the so Ecuadora. Don't us in New York going to 338 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,199 Speaker 7: New York. They're don the so On, They're on the 339 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 7: so Costa Rica. Don't they have us in Los Atlanta. 340 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 5: New Jersey? 341 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 7: Don't the New Jersey, New Jersey. Don't they've us in Chicago? Chicago, Colombia, Columbia, Kerebaja, no, 342 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 7: no I see they yet they say they want asylum, 343 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 7: they don't want to work, they've done their son. Well, 344 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 7: where are you from? 345 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: Sag Sanag? 346 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 7: I think Senegal? From Senegal? We saw a lot of 347 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 7: Senegalese in Lukeville, Arizona. Where in the US do you 348 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 7: want to go to? What city? 349 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 3: Francis France? Frosse France, France speak France. 350 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 7: Oh he speaks French. I obviously do not speak French. 351 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 2: The Loogan's lack of language competency isn't the only issue here. 352 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 2: It's a holy ecosystem of media built up of hyuristically 353 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 2: filming migrants without giving them a chance to humanize themselves. 354 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 2: And it's not just a right wing issue. 355 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 10: This week, each day has been marked by new daily 356 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 10: records of migrants, both crossing the southern border and landing 357 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 10: in custody. The federal government is struggling to keep up. 358 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 10: Three Homeland security official say Customs and Border Protection is 359 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 10: holding about twenty seven thousand migrants and processing facilities as 360 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 10: of yesterday. President Biden spoke with Mexico's president about the 361 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 10: issue earlier today, and NBC News Homeland Security corresponding, Julie 362 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 10: joins me now to dig into this trend. So Julia, first, 363 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 10: just give us some perspective here. How is Customs and 364 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 10: Border Protection operating right now and what are your sources 365 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 10: saying about this historic rise in migrants at the border. 366 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 1: Well, in some ways, there's actually a small victory here, 367 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: is in clay when you look at the fact that 368 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: CBP is seeing a record number of migrants, that they've 369 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: been at a record high now for three days in 370 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: a row. They broke the record of twelve thousand, maintained 371 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: that and there are now almost twenty seven thousand migrants 372 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: in CBP custody. When we got to just about twenty 373 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: thousand and twenty nineteen under the Trump administration, there were 374 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: migrants who were there for weeks and couldn't lie down 375 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: to sleep because they were so overcrowded. Now, because of 376 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 1: the technology, they're actually able to not even hold people 377 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: past seventy two hours and very quickly release them. But 378 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: the tragedy comes after that. There are a lot of 379 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: migrants who are being released on the streets without being 380 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: taken to nonprofits, and some of them don't exactly know 381 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: where they're supposed to go, even though CBP does try 382 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: to coordinate with the cities where they are released. That's 383 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: definitely happening in the Tucson, Arizona area and Eagle Pass, Texas. 384 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: Even though they are scrambling as fast as they can 385 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: to release migrants, that are still thousands who remain in 386 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: the field, a lot of them crowded under a bridge 387 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: an Eagle Pass, just waiting for CBP to take them in. 388 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: The reason a lot of people can give you different reasons. One, 389 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: perhaps Mexico is interdicting as many migrants as they were 390 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: earlier in the year. They're now lower on funds because 391 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: of these record highs. Another reason, sometimes migrants will say 392 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: that they're worried about a future Republican administration or a 393 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: future Trump administration that might be harder ANDed, so they 394 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: think now is the time to come. 395 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 2: Two minutes into this report and we haven't actually heard 396 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 2: from a single migrant. All we hear is numbers. We 397 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 2: also haven't heard about door detention, which is the time 398 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 2: this was released with at its peak. Again, it's just 399 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 2: numbers and CBP statements. 400 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 3: I should also. 401 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,479 Speaker 2: Point out that lots of people are held for more 402 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 2: than seventy two hours or three days. The Department of 403 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 2: Homeland Security office who inspected general report published in November 404 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, month before the new segment that you 405 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 2: just heard, said that fifty six percent of people were 406 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 2: held for longer than that, for some people being held 407 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 2: for more than a month. This information is publicly available 408 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 2: and even had a press release. I found it very quickly, 409 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 2: and they're reported on at the time. But NBC chowse 410 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 2: not to seeing migrants as a quote homeland security issue, 411 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 2: not as people. It's fundamentally the problem, and the way 412 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 2: we fix that is showing up as people to help. 413 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 2: Despite the massive media focus on the border in the 414 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 2: last year, I very rarely see other journalists actually at 415 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 2: the border. 416 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 3: To give him credit. 417 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 2: Malgan does sometimes show up, but he doesn't stay long 418 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,479 Speaker 2: and he doesn't really have the capacity to interview migrants, 419 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 2: even if you wanted to. The border is vast and 420 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 2: mostly empty. It's a place I've come to know and 421 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: come to love, and my time dropping water and recreating 422 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 2: and doing other mutilaid projects out here. Now they have 423 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 2: a better understanding of the journeys people go through to 424 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 2: get here, even more determined to make this small part 425 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 2: of their trip less dangerous, and besides, I get to 426 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 2: see cool rocks. 427 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 6: Oh say, mister potato here like he's dying off. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, 428 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 6: okay okay. 429 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 3: No, I see that. Well, now you say it like that. 430 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 6: It looked very yet the eyes are real close to 431 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 6: each other. Yeah, it's a very melting potato. 432 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 3: Among the cool rocks. 433 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 2: Last weekend I found a mini mouse doll. It reminded 434 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 2: me of Miami, the little girl i'd met him Baio. 435 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 2: I give my number to hundreds of people before leaving 436 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 2: Panama and heard from dozens, but up until that I 437 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 2: hadn't heard from Miami and her mum. I heard of 438 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 2: people being kidnapped, robbed, raped, and ransomed in Mexico. Some 439 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 2: of them have been caught by authorities and pushed back 440 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,959 Speaker 2: to Chiapas, and others have been unable to leave Tapatula 441 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 2: after having all their money stolen. I wanted which if 442 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 2: any of these fates had before been Miami, and if 443 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 2: she was still having a pepper pig adventure. Sadly between 444 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 2: where I met her where I found a mini male, 445 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 2: There's nothing else I can do. They're here in the 446 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 2: mountains outside San Diego, where the wind blows so strong 447 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 2: sometimes you can barely stand up. I can do something 448 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 2: without the ability to do something, something which I know 449 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 2: is meaningful. I don't know how I'd managed to stay 450 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 2: on this beat. It's just too heartbreaking to meet good people, 451 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 2: share meals and laughter, in deep conversations with them, and 452 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 2: then see them fed into a teeth of a machine 453 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 2: that robs, brutalizes, and kills them. So that Joe Biden 454 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 2: can stand on a podium and say that border crossing to. 455 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 3: Down this month. 456 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 2: They are down, and that's allowed you due to enforcement 457 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 2: in Mexico. But I want to make sure that everyone 458 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 2: who does cross the border can do so safely and 459 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 2: they don't have to die on US soil after fighting 460 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 2: so hard to make it here. This hasn't been the 461 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 2: case for everyone this year. My friends up and down 462 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 2: the border have carried far too many little memorial crosses 463 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 2: into the mountains. And depending on the election results next week, 464 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 2: what we're doing might be illegal soon, but that'll never 465 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 2: make it wrong. Since early September, nine people have died 466 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 2: in a little part of southern California alone by friends 467 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 2: who searched for them, sometimes found their remains and undertaken 468 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 2: the thankless task of sharing the bad news with their families, 469 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 2: then constructive memorials in their memory. This is just one 470 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 2: of the many dangerous parts of the migration route north, 471 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 2: but it's the one that I can help with. If 472 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 2: you're nearby are visiting for a while. There are several 473 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 2: organizations dropping water on the border. Border Angels, Border Kindness 474 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 2: and Borderlands Relief Collective here in San Diego, Arho Samaritans, Noms, 475 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 2: Motes in Arizona, groups you search and rescue as well. Obviously, 476 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,360 Speaker 2: not everyone lives here at the USA is Southern border, 477 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 2: but more than half of the population does live within 478 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 2: one hundred miles of a border. Even if you don't 479 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: live in the USA, or maybe you do but you 480 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 2: don't live anywhere near the border, I guarantee there are 481 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 2: migrants in your community. In the last year, I've worked 482 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 2: with migrant welcome committees in Maryland, church groups in the 483 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 2: rural south, Sikhs on the West Coast, occurred on the 484 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 2: East Coast, to name just a few. Without a type 485 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 2: of fanfare, people all over this country are making space 486 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 2: in their homes and their hearts for strangers, feeding them, 487 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 2: housing them, and helping them get set up in a 488 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 2: new place. For the most part, it doesn't get coverage. 489 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 2: Not a democratic administration, it doesn't get much of public 490 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 2: support either, but that doesn't mean it isn't necessary. Aside 491 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 2: from all the reasons it's important, dropping water on the 492 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 2: border is also fun for me. It's helped me learn 493 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 2: more about where I live. I appreciate the desert and 494 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 2: make new friends who generally share my outlook on the world. 495 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 2: I love being outdoors, and I'd be outdoors anyway, but 496 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 2: it's way my hiker is about much more than myself. 497 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Does that mean when you get somewhere 498 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 9: with signal? Yeah yeah, Please to all of you, please 499 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 9: share it. I'd like to follow your journey if that's okay, 500 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 9: and maybe we can talk again when you're in America. Yeah. 501 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 2: I gave my number to hundreds of people in the 502 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 2: dady In as well as some websites they might find useful. 503 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 2: One to NGOs explained the CBP one app are the 504 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 2: ones that might direct them to resources along their route. 505 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 2: Last Sunday night, as I was absent by and least 506 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 2: thrumming through a shotgun reloading manual in my living room, 507 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 2: as I love to do. My phone started buzzing. It's 508 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 2: done this so many times in the last months. Mostly 509 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 2: it's a photo of someone I met updating me on 510 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 2: their journey, or one of the little wooden animals that 511 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 2: they give to children, which has made its way to 512 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 2: Mexico and hopefully giving them some comfort along the way. 513 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 2: Often it's less positive news. Someone's been robbed or simply 514 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 2: run out of money and they need help. But I 515 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 2: got two messages this Sunday which lifted my spirits. Miami 516 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 2: little girl who had an adventure like Pepper Pig in 517 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 2: the jungle, I did you know how I was doing? 518 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 2: And she sent me a photo of the tiny stone 519 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,919 Speaker 2: bear that I'd given her. She also wanted to know 520 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: if we could still go to see Minnie Mouse, who 521 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 2: she came to America, which I assured her we could. 522 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 2: I think it would be quite apt to visit a 523 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 2: place which bills itself as the happiest place on Earth, 524 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 2: where someone I met in one of the most desperate 525 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 2: parts of the planet. The second message was from one 526 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 2: of the migrants I'd met in the jungle, telling me 527 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 2: she'd made it to America, not just to America, but 528 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 2: to a part of the border where I've been dropping 529 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 2: water with my friends. Just a few weeks before I 530 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 2: left for Panama, she sent me a photo of a 531 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 2: rock with a message on it one way, which I'm 532 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 2: very familiar. She told me about her walk, one which 533 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 2: I've made myself, and she taught me how hard it was. 534 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 2: I said, I knew, but really I don't know, because 535 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 2: I wasn't carrying months of trauma with me on the mountain. 536 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 2: She's the only person out of one hundred son I 537 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 2: met who's made it here. Most of them are in 538 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 2: Mexico now, and most of them will remain there or 539 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 2: maybe get sent back home, or maybe they'll make a 540 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 2: desperate attempt across this week. As you hear this before 541 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 2: the election, it made me so happy to see someone 542 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 2: safely here, one person out of a hundred. For so 543 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 2: many of the migrants I met, America was a dream 544 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 2: and the journey with a nightmare. Since the series began airing, 545 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 2: I've seen videos of people I care about clinging to 546 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 2: freight trains that bruce bodies after being beaten. I've helped 547 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 2: them find healthcare after they were sexually assaulted, and tried 548 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 2: to find room at overcrowded shelters. I've helped trans ladies 549 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 2: navigate all of this and transphobia and misogyny, and tried 550 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 2: to find resources in French and English and Portuguese for 551 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 2: non Spanish speakers. I'd hope that I'd finished this series 552 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 2: with a single good story, a story of someone who 553 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 2: made it, who's living the American dream that people died 554 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 2: for in the jungle. But I can't because even the 555 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 2: people who made it here are here temporarily and broadcasting 556 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 2: anything about their journey would put them at risk whoever 557 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 2: wins the election next week. So instead, I want to 558 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 2: end with how you can make a difference, and I'll 559 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 2: start with a story and how little things can make 560 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 2: big differences. One day in bar Juquito, of sitting around 561 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 2: with a few Venezuelan kids, probably four to eight years old, 562 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 2: ripping pages out of my right in the rain note 563 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,959 Speaker 2: book to make paper aeroplanes. Before I interviewed their parents, 564 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 2: I asked him about the jungle. They said it was 565 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 2: scary and they had nightmares. Now, I often find kids 566 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 2: in these places get scared of the dark, and I 567 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 2: used to bring these crappy little electric lights for them, 568 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 2: but they're bulky, and they're not very good. Recently, I've 569 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 2: been carrying the little packets of fishing glow sticks instead. 570 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 2: They gasped about ten bucks for maybe one hundred of 571 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 2: the little green lights. So I poured out my glove sticks, 572 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 2: cut my hands and snapped one. The children remaze of 573 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 2: the little glowing road, so I gave them the rest 574 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,239 Speaker 2: of the packet. I told them they could keep them 575 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 2: for any time they were scared of the dark. Nearly 576 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 2: a month later, I sometimes get a message on my 577 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 2: phone with a photo of a little tiny glow stick 578 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 2: on a note of thanks. 579 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 3: One thing that. 580 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 2: Father Elia said that really impacted me is that when 581 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 2: he meets migrants, he asked what he sees of God 582 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 2: in them, and his work for them is where he 583 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 2: finds what there is of God and himself. Think I've 584 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 2: struggled so much with this serious impart because I've seen 585 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 2: so much of the best of other people, and indeed 586 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 2: the best of myself into such hard play. I always 587 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 2: struggle a little to readjust after trips like this, but 588 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 2: this one's been particularly hard. In the jungle, I saw 589 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 2: people helping, and in a sense, we were all in 590 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 2: it together. When it rained, we all got wet, and 591 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 2: when it got hot, we all huddled together in the shade. 592 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 2: We shared bottles of water, We sat at the same 593 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 2: tables and ate together. I can't really begin to experience 594 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 2: a full, varily inexperience because I've been lucky enough never 595 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 2: to have anything that bad to run away from. Better 596 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 2: have experienced incredible solidarity and kindness of the people who 597 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 2: went through it. I've also experienced the incredible indifference of 598 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 2: people at home, and indeed of the states and governments 599 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 2: of the world. The Colombian friends I met Las Blancas 600 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 2: and Barbjigito, who are handcuffed and deported and ripped from 601 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 2: their families, have already invited me to come and stay 602 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 2: in their homes in Colombia. But if their families make 603 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 2: it here, they won't encounter that kind of hospitality. Just 604 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 2: last week, I helped to translate for a Venezuelan family 605 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 2: living on the street in San Diego. Some of my 606 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 2: friends do sponsor migrants, and that's something any one can 607 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 2: do if you're able to. It's an incredible thing you 608 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 2: can do to change someone's life, and I can't encourage 609 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 2: you enough to do so. I really do see the 610 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 2: best of myself, of my friends, and of humanity, and 611 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 2: I work to help migrants. I would say that on reflection. 612 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 2: And I wasn't really an anarchist until twenty eighteen, when 613 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 2: I watched a state to the world abandoned thousands of 614 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,719 Speaker 2: migros in Tijuana and climbed a fence with my friends 615 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 2: to take care of them, and specifically to distribute three 616 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 2: huge backpacks full of waffles and another friend had sent 617 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 2: from his waffle factory. I'd stopped believing in the benevolence 618 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 2: of the state a long time before, but it wasn't 619 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 2: really until then that I really understood the power of 620 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 2: people organizing horizontally to provide each other with dignity. Ever 621 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 2: since then, I've drawn a lot of hope for humanity 622 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 2: in the same place as I despair for people. Maybe 623 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 2: that's why I keep going back. Since then at the border, 624 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 2: I've seen people die. I've held crying babies and crying parents. 625 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 2: I've also shared meals with people from around the world, 626 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 2: made friends for life, and learned curdish disco songs about 627 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 2: killing people. I've danced around campfires with people I couldn't 628 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 2: imagined meeting. I i' Sparde my own journey here. Last Christmas, 629 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 2: when i'd normally be at the bar with my friends, 630 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 2: I stand the rock in the desert, eating a cold 631 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 2: vegan m Marie with an Ecuadorian family and some of 632 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 2: my friends. And all the Christmases I can remember, I 633 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 2: never felt so much like I was in the right place, 634 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 2: doing the right thing, with the right people. 635 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 7: What. 636 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of terrible things at the border, 637 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 2: in the jungle, and I'll never forget those. More importantly, 638 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 2: I've seen that together we can do incredible things, and 639 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 2: we can make the state irrelevant, especially in the places 640 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 2: it's chosen to be absent. I don't think we should 641 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 2: make demands of a state anymore. It's simply not in 642 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 2: its nature to care. But I do think we should 643 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 2: make demands of ourselves. I don't believe in God, and 644 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 2: I've written a whole dissertation about people who burn churches. 645 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 2: But I think I see something that's just as special 646 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 2: to me in the experience of mutual aid, and in 647 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 2: a way it fulfills not only people's material needs, but 648 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 2: also our human desire for dignity and mutual respect. When 649 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 2: I drop water at the border, or carry someone's bags 650 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 2: in the jungle. I see myself in them, and I 651 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 2: hope they see themselves a little bit of me. But 652 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 2: right now asylum system is so broken the very few 653 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 2: people even make it far enough to drink the water 654 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 2: I leave at the border, And despite the border featuring 655 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 2: heavily in this year's election, there seems to be no 656 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 2: national concern about the way our tax dollars brutalize people 657 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 2: across the continent. So I want to end by asking 658 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 2: you what you can do. It might be coming to 659 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 2: unhere to drop water. It might be sending some money 660 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 2: to one of the links un included the description. It 661 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,399 Speaker 2: might be offering to translate for asylum seekers. It might 662 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 2: just be talking to people and helping to change the narrative. 663 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 2: You can vote or not next week, but there isn't 664 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 2: a box you can take that will change the things 665 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 2: I saw in the jungle. Trump wanted to deport millions 666 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 2: more people. Harris wanted to pass a bill that will 667 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 2: kill more people. You can't pass your commitments off to 668 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 2: someone whose box you take every four years. You have 669 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 2: to take them on for yourself. The way we change things, 670 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 2: it's in the way we do things every day every week, 671 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 2: no one's every four years. I want to end with 672 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 2: NOI's mum and her message to the American people. I 673 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,320 Speaker 2: also want to ask if anyone of those how to 674 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 2: get cheap tickets to Disneyland, because I have just looked 675 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 2: that up and I cannot stress enough ho but I 676 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 2: am to afford it. 677 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 11: Please excuse us because we know that we are knocking 678 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 11: on that door. There are a lot of us, but 679 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,439 Speaker 11: we are desperate because complaining about the president we have 680 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 11: is not helping us. No, he's doing almost nothing. So 681 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,359 Speaker 11: our children have no future and our country won't support us. 682 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 11: It's not easy to leave our parents, our friends, our relatives, 683 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 11: our grandparents, and we do not know if we will 684 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,479 Speaker 11: ever return or if we will ever see them again. 685 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 11: It is not easy. But we also think about a 686 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 11: future for our children. And I do not know what 687 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 11: has happened, but we feel like living in a dictatorship. 688 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 11: We are living something very unpleasant and we do not 689 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 11: get any help. But those who help us, we want 690 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,879 Speaker 11: to say thank you. They opened that door for us. 691 00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 11: They have opened many doors for many ven as wing 692 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 11: so well we hope in faith that they will open 693 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 11: them for us. 694 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,839 Speaker 2: I want to take this opportunity to thank a few 695 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,760 Speaker 2: people who made this possible. Firstly, Daddy and use my Fixer. 696 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 2: She was incredible. Secondly, I want to thank iHeart for 697 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 2: paying for this. Like I said, it's been nearly a 698 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 2: decade that I've been asking to do this story and 699 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 2: I'm just really happy that they trusted me to do it. Thirdly, 700 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 2: I want to thank everyone who trusted me with their stories, 701 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 2: everybody who stayed in touch as they've come north. I 702 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,839 Speaker 2: want to thank border Kindness and Borderland Relief Collective who 703 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 2: have both welcomed me on their drops. And it's not 704 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,919 Speaker 2: always easy to be around a journalist. It's not easy 705 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 2: to let someone record everything you're doing out there and 706 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,439 Speaker 2: their inherent risks to that, and I really appreciate them 707 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 2: trusting me. I want to thank Dutch where Hammocks who 708 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,879 Speaker 2: rush shipped to me a Hammock when my old one 709 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 2: tour right before I left. And I think most of all, 710 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 2: I want to thank all of you for listening, taking 711 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,879 Speaker 2: the time, and all the listeners who have reached out 712 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 2: to say they're listening to the series, people who have 713 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,320 Speaker 2: reached out to ask how they can help. I would 714 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 2: love to organize a way to help the people I've 715 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,439 Speaker 2: spoken to. I spoke to someone just this morning who's 716 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 2: still stuck in Tapachula because she was robbed and her 717 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 2: and her daughter are five hundred bucks short for the 718 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,880 Speaker 2: bus to ride north to Tijuana. I don't have the 719 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 2: capacity to organize that right now, but if someone else does, 720 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 2: they should reach out to me, because I would really 721 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 2: like to help these people who have become my friends 722 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 2: and who I care about, and who are right now 723 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,720 Speaker 2: stuck in a very dangerous place because someone in Washington, 724 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 2: DC has made a choice to treat them with cruelty 725 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 2: and not kindness. So if that's you, if you're the 726 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 2: person who's going to minister that, please let me know. 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