WEBVTT - #724 Packers Unscripted: Wrapping up 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:10.639 Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers unscripted from 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:14.120 Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffer, joined as always 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:17.920 by the one and the only, Weston had Kowitz. We're 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:22.000 coming to you here once again from distant locations at 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:26.160 lambeau Field West. Maybe maybe fingers crossed the last time 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:28.639 in a while that we'll have to do the show 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:32.440 this way. No promises, no guarantees. We will see what 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:36.680 next week brings. But in the meantime, since our last show, 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:41.519 the Packers held their last two public practices of training 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:46.760 camp out at Raynichki Field on Tuesday and Wednesday. Wednesday 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:51.120 was an awfully hot one, but everybody seemed to get 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:54.959 through it. Okay, your observations. As the Packers wrapped up 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:57.800 these last two public practices. 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:02.160 Rashan Gary wanted to play some foot. It was my observation. 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:07.000 I'll tell you what, Mike uh. He's been going through 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:09.000 the individuals the last couple of weeks. As Matt Lefuller 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:11.640 told us earlier this week, he was finally going to 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:15.160 take that next step to team. I was so incredibly 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:17.600 impressed by what I saw from number fifty two. First 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:20.680 and foremost, he took two to one on one reps 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:24.880 in the offensive line versus defensive front drills and going 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:29.040 up against Zach Tom, who is a terrific offensive lineman. 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:30.400 I think is gonna be a good starter for the 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.959 Packers for years to come. But when you see the 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:35.920 when they always say there's levels to this game. That's 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:39.560 a big phrase in MMA. But there Rashaan Gary's on 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:42.640 another level now. Because the one thing I took away 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:44.920 from his two reps against Tom, and a lot of 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:48.520 it was just showing his natural strength and also some 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:50.440 of the pressures he had on Jordan Love and the 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:52.400 team periods had one of the sacks I think you 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:54.600 would call perceived sack and one of the one of 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:55.640 the team's drills. 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:58.160 Here's the thing about Rashaan Gary that. 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:00.320 Is so impressive to me when we came in and 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:03.400 he's a twenty one year old kid and everybody knows, okay, 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:05.440 you know, he's he's going to be a project here, 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:08.320 but there's a lot of potential there. We talked about 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:10.560 how he would rely on his bull rush a lot 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:13.160 right right out of the gate. When you talk about 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:16.200 all the other tools and the other the other weapons 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:18.799 that can be used in his Arsenal. I think that's 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:21.760 what we're seeing with Rashaun Gary in those rushes against 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:23.919 Zach Tom. You know, he used some speed, he used 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:27.359 some speed to power, he used his power to get 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:31.480 out of a stalemates situation. The guy's just so darn resourceful. 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:34.520 And we saw it last year those first nine games. 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:37.040 I mean, he was on trek to being a Pro 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:40.520 Bowl player. Then unfortunately the acl happened in Detroit. So 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:43.680 hopefully for him that's all in the past. But I'll 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:45.800 tell you what, for a guy that hasn't played football 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:49.000 in what nine to ten months, he came out looking 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.600 like he was just guns of blazon. Yeah. 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:55.079 And you talk about the development of the repertoire, I mean, 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:59.440 that's that's the that's the progression that you see from 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:03.200 these guys like Rashaan Gary, who the first thing he 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:06.000 had to do when he was drafted and came to 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:08.919 the Packers and the three four defenses, he had to 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:12.720 learn how to play defense standing up as opposed to 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:14.919 in a three point stance with his hand in the dirt. 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:19.040 There's there first, there's that transition. So early on, they're 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:21.840 still just going to have that one move to rely 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:24.280 upon and then all the other moves have to come. 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:27.040 And you know, he had guys like Zadarius Smith and 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:29.600 Preston Smith and these other guys to learn from, and 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.560 the coaching staff and everything else. And we've just seen 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:36.240 this steady progression from him, and we're seeing Lucas Fanness 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.480 going through that same kind of transition right now, played 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:43.400 mostly with his hand in the dirt at Iowa, and 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:46.520 he's learning how to play standing up and learning all 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:49.520 the responsibilities on the edge. And Lucas van Ness has 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:52.200 not developed all the pass rush moves that that he's 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:55.840 going to have either. And there are so many parallels 0:03:55.840 --> 0:04:00.640 there that hopefully for the Packers, he on the same 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:03.360 trajectory as Rashan Gary. But I agree with you with 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:07.720 just the I don't know if energy is a use. 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:10.320 That's word, a word that's used a lot, and I 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:13.880 don't even know if that word quite exemplifies what Rashan 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:18.440 Gary brought to these last couple of public practices. There 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:22.720 was something different about this Packers defense with him on 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:24.960 the field. I think his teammates were excited to have 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:31.600 him back. He's a wrecking ball in some respects, and 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:35.279 there are no guarantees yet that he'll be available for 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:39.200 Week one. Things are certainly trending in that direction, and 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:43.279 hopefully the Packers can get him out there against the 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:46.080 Bears at Soldier Field comes September tenth. 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:48.000 This quote is so good. I want to make sure 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:48.719 I get this right. 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:52.280 I typically don't go off screen during Packer's unscripted but 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:53.680 I want to make sure I get this right from 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:56.440 what mattch Steiman had tweeted to us or sent to 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.560 us earlier this week. And I'm not gonna be able 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:01.599 to find it because he probably put twenty three instead 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:06.680 of Alexander. Let's look, no, no, not gonna find it. 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:08.839 I'm going to paraphrase it. I hope I'm not gonna 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:12.160 botch it. But basically, Alexander said he feels like Superman 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:15.160 when Rashon Gary's on the field, and I think that 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:19.440 is the sentiment that everybody shares in terms of Yeah, 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:21.080 in addition to the fact it's going to put more 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:23.800 pressure on the quarterback and decrease his time clock to 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:26.320 be able to get that ball out, it's how everybody 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:28.680 around him raises their level of play. And I think 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:31.040 when you have a premier pass rusher in this league, 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:34.479 that is what the trickle down effect is. When you 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:37.599 look at the Packers' defenses in the early Clay Matthews era, 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:40.360 when you talk about you know, Aaron Kamptman in the 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.080 mid two thousands, Reggie White, the list goes on and 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:46.440 on those type of players, they set the tone. And 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:48.360 I felt like, you know, Rashon Gary for still being 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:50.440 as young as he is, it's all still out there 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:52.680 for Michael and as you touched on, and I think 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:54.760 one of the things you've been working on too, story wise, 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:56.840 is when you have a Rashon Gary, when you have 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:01.280 a Preston Smith, a Kingsley, Enigbari and then Kenny Clark 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:03.160 and these other guys that can get after a quarterback, 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.320 you make an offense start to make some decisions. And 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:08.600 if for Shawn Gary's going to get doubled this season 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:11.359 whenever he is out there, well then that's opportunities for 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.320 one on one matchups for Preston Smith, DeVante wy At 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:17.039 Kenny Clark. That's the exciting thing I think about having 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:18.680 Rashon Gary back in this defense. 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:20.920 Yeah, I mean, just what we've seen in his couple 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.240 of days back, he is going to command so much 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:27.039 attention from opposing offenses, and I think that's that's going 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:32.159 to change, create opportunities for other players, as you said, 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:36.039 and one of the stories that I've posted now on 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:39.239 Packers dot com is just looking at where the Packers 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:43.600 are at outside linebacker heading into twenty twenty three compared 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:47.000 to how they ended twenty twenty two. Because you didn't 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:49.480 I mean, you had Preston Smith, who I believe he 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:51.760 had five of his eight and a half sacks last 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:55.159 season after Rashaun Gary left the lineup. But you didn't 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:58.719 have Gary. You had Nigbari, who was a fifth round 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.240 rookie who was just trying to figure things out. You 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:04.640 had Justin Hollins come in trying to reacclimate himself as 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:07.520 quickly as he could to Joe Berry's defense, and he 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:11.480 certainly made a contribution. Jonathan Garvin was taking some snaps, 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.920 not providing a whole lot of production. They were just 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:17.600 trying to survive at that position quite frankly down the 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:20.400 stretch last year without Gary. Now you fast forward here, 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:23.680 Gary's on his way back. Preston Smith is Preston Smith. 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:25.800 You've added a first round pick in Lucas van Ness 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:28.840 Kings Leanninggbari just had a two SAT game in the preseason. 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:32.800 He's showing the year two jump. Justin Hollins has now 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:37.240 been here, he's settled, he's settled in more. And you 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:41.440 have an undrafted guy in Breton Cox who's who showed 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.640 enough promise early that the Packers moved on from Jonathan 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:47.360 Garvin and Breton Cox could be an undrafted rookie who 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:50.280 ends up making this fifty three when roster decisions are 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:53.360 made next week. The depth at outside linebacker right now 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:55.400 compared to nine months ago is night and. 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:56.840 Day two things one. 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.880 Aaron Moseby also got claimed in the midway through camp. 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:02.440 I think Moseby's had a really nice camp too, for 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:04.440 a guy that unfortunately is kind of at the bottom 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:06.760 of that depth chart just based on attrition and the 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:09.120 guys who have been here. I can now get that 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:12.080 quote correct though, because I'm all about the accuracy here. Mike, 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:15.440 you know that this is what Jayer said. A healthy 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:18.320 Rashaun Gary is like Superman in my opinion. He makes 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:22.280 my job easier, a whole lot easier. If I was 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:24.600 on ESPN, That's how I would close my segment and 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:26.440 I would just and then back to you, Mike. 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:30.960 Okay. Well, the other thing I think that's worth talking 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:34.800 about here is the packers wrapped up these public practices 0:08:34.840 --> 0:08:37.800 as we saw. I think in a lot of ways, 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:42.800 these practices finished up the way they started, and that 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:46.400 we saw hot a lot of well hot, yes, but 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:48.080 we saw a lot of We saw a lot of 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:51.120 back and forth in terms of the you know, the 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:53.880 defense providing some challenge to the offense and then the 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:56.760 offense responds, and then the defense responds, and you know, 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.400 there over these last couple of days, there were stretches 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:03.680 where the pass Russ was really getting after Jordan Love 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:06.760 for you know, a sequence of plays, and then suddenly 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:09.040 the offense settles in and Love starts to find his 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:13.040 rhythm and hits some passes. Then we see the you know, 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:16.080 I believe it was on Wednesday. We see the offense 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:19.199 looking like, you know, they're hitting some nice running plays, 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:21.160 and then the next thing, you know, TJ. Slayton is 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:23.360 in the backfield, you know, three or four times in 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:25.320 a span of you know, like eight or nine plays 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:27.719 or something like that. The back and forth, and then 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.200 the epitome of that was the the last two two 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:34.680 minute drills. The number one defense won the drill with 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:38.360 Rasul Douglass getting an interception on a pass for Romeo Dobbs. 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:42.080 But then Sean Clifford Misster two minute takes the number 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:45.040 twos down the field, hits a fourth down touchdown pass 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:47.800 to Grant Dubo's adds the two point conversion on top 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:49.920 of that, so you have the defense win one, the 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:53.040 offense win one in the two minute drills. At the end, 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:55.439 it just seemed like these last couple of days everything 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.440 was about the one side challenging the other and trying 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:01.360 to trying to push the other side to provide an answer. 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:04.360 And I have to believe Matt Lafleur liked a lot 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:05.679 of what he saw in that regard. 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:08.760 I think you're one hundred percent right about that. But 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:10.440 the other aspect of it, I think that is so 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:13.280 refreshing is when you have a young team like this, 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:17.920 how exciting and energetic these practices have been. And not 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.240 to say that, you know, when it was Clay Matthews 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:22.240 and Jordy Nelson and Aaron Rodgers and all that they 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:24.520 weren't there was plenty to be you know, taken from. 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:26.800 But there are some like when you go into those 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:29.000 one on one periods. You don't know always who's going 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:30.880 to prevail in those. I think that's where I first 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:32.960 started to know TJ. Slayton, to be honest with you, 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:35.320 and he's had you know, I've said this time and 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:38.280 time again, I think him, Rashid Walker, those guys are 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:40.840 probably in the conversation for most improved player. I mean, 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:43.800 Kingsley Ningbari contributed at the end of last season, but 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:46.400 you know, he was a fifth round pick and he 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:48.440 already seen some of that growth. Those two guys have 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:51.160 just blown me away just with the role that potentially 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:52.920 they might have to play on this team this season. 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:55.280 And Walker co went from a guy that didn't play 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:56.880 at all last year to a guy that now is 0:10:57.280 --> 0:10:59.520 you know, being charged in these practices as the left 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:02.200 tackle for Jordan Love and in the preseason game as 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:06.880 well last week. So to your original point here, yeah, 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:09.079 I think the give and take of the offense and 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:11.720 defense is sort of indicative of a young football team 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:14.520 kind of growing together. And the same way in which 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:16.880 you look at those Patriots practices. The Packers take it 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.160 to the Patriots the first day, the Patriots respond back 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:23.400 to second There's a challenge there there is a motivation 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:26.280 and a competitive fire. I think that comes out of 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:28.800 both of those two sides of the ball working against 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.280 one another. The hope would be for the green Bay 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:33.720 Packers now as you get through this game against Seattle, 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:36.960 hopefully healthy, get through the fifty three man cut, and 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.000 start building to that game against Chicago, that you have 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:42.200 a much better football team than you did eight weeks ago. 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:44.079 And I feel like that's where green Bay has really 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:46.800 grown the most in terms of just the development and 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:50.280 the maturation. This is one of those training camps where 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:53.120 I think you can literally look at players and see 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:56.439 the growth. And for some of the Packers' bets in 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:58.959 the past, it was about okay, getting back to that baseline, 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:01.040 where do we need, what's the play style, what's everything 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:04.000 like that. Matt Lafleur is establishing all of that right 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:06.200 now and I think that played into also these young guys, 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:08.800 you know, getting this action in the preseason games, because 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.120 one of the things I wrote an insider inbox this 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:14.520 week was the fact that you have a bunch of 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:16.760 guys that need snaps and we are no longer in 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:20.320 the Larry mccaerran to a day's fifty one practices or 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:24.320 whatever of training camp. You got two dozen training prep 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:28.320 practice training camp practices in three preseason games. 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:30.560 You have to make those opportunities really count. 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:32.679 Yeah. 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You know how they're going to piece that together, 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.360 and certainly special teams plays a role in all that, 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:47.240 and then special teams themselves. There are still two punters 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:49.960 and two long snappers on this roster that have that 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:54.480 have had a training camp long competition at both of 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:58.320 those spots. So where will where will your eyes be 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:02.120 trained on come Saturday? After Oh, by the way, it's 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:06.360 an afternoon preseason game at Lambeufield, a noon Central time kickoff. 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:10.400 A rarity here in Green Bay. Not that I'm complaining, 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:15.440 because work wise it's much nicer to have afternoon games. 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:18.360 But back to my question, what will you be watching 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:22.960 for come kickoff at noon Saturday against the Seahawks. 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:25.520 It's an excellent question because there are so many different 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:27.960 ways you can take this thing offensively. 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:30.720 What does that number one unit look like with Jordan Love? 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:32.320 How many series do they see? 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:34.360 They had two in the first game, three in the second, 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:35.960 although I think that was kind of brought on a 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:40.040 little bit by the Botch snap there earlier. But the 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:42.240 fact is is that you know, how long does Matt 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.680 Lafleur want these guys to play. Sean Clifford probably can 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:48.520 use the reps, but he's gotten a lot of reps 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:50.840 at this point. So you know, when does Alex Magoog 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:52.760 get into the game. He's only played that one game 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:54.880 and unfortunately for him, it was an eight r touchdown 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:57.160 on his first snap. As cool as that was for 0:14:57.200 --> 0:14:59.560 the Packers offense, not really a chance for the usfl 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:02.160 ringing in VP to show what his arm can do. So, 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.440 you know, those type of things are going to be important. Certainly, 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:07.520 the safety battle is going right down to the wire 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:10.680 when you look at you know where they're going to 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.280 be trying to find that that one two combination with 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:16.080 Darnell Savage. That whole thing's come full circle again. Ruby 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:18.880 Ford back with the starters this week, yep. And you 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:21.640 know t Varius Moore has taken those snaps. Jonathan Owens 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:23.880 has taken those snaps over and over and over and 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:24.680 they kind of. 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:28.440 Unfortunately unfortunately for more now he's injured. He got hurt 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:32.000 his knee in the last preseason game, so bad bad 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:34.480 timing for him. But we'll see, we'll see what happens 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:35.600 here these next few days. 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:39.160 The number three running back battle, the offensive line battle. 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:41.000 But the one thing I challenge people to look at 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:42.640 and keep an eye on. This is not the most 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:46.320 attractive thing to pay attention to, but the coverage teams, 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:51.440 offensive kickoff and the punt return units. Very interested to 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:54.520 see what that personnel looks like. We've seen from Ritz Pasacci. 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:56.480 He's willing to mix and match. So I wouldn't take 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:58.600 everything as you know, chapter and verse in terms of 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:02.240 what the starters are, so to speak. But I always 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:05.120 go back, dude. James Crawford twenty eighteen. He made the 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:08.080 Packers roster based on special teams in the Packers' pre 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:11.320 season finale in Kansas City. There's going to be at 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:14.240 least one of those type of situations where somebody steps up, 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:17.120 somebody makes their presence felt. Because as much as the 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.960 Packers are building this offensive defense, they're also building these 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:22.280 special teams this defense as well. And when you lose 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:25.200 a guy like Tyler Davis, who was your leading player 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:27.760 in terms of special teams snap scene last season. I 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:29.840 think he played like almost eighty percent of the snaps, 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:32.320 that is going to be a big challenge for Green Bay. 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:33.360 Who's going to step up? 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:39.440 Yeah? Absolutely, and you know that these the special teams reps, 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:42.080 whether it's whether it's a kickoff return, a kickoff cover, 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:46.520 a punt return, a punt cover, those reps are being 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:49.840 scrutinized on film over and over and over again by 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.920 the personnel department as they're as they're trying to decide, Okay, 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:56.520 who are the guys that can be counted on to 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:58.400 get the job done in that phase? Who are the 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:01.440 guys who are separating themselves in that regard. The Packers 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:04.399 have a fair number of veterans now on special teams. 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:07.080 That's been one of the big shifts in terms of 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:11.440 the roster and the personnel in that face since Rich 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:13.880 Pasacci came in. But there are a lot of young 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:16.760 guys who you know, are trying to make a name 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:19.359 from themselves, and they're not necessarily going to be second 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:22.440 string on offense or defense, but there are going to 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:26.119 be some roster spots available, and can they put something 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:29.000 on film that's going to get them noticed and get 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:30.800 them a chance to either be on the fifty three 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:33.480 or be brought back on the practice squad next week 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:36.840 when all these roster machinations take place. 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:38.880 And maliek Keith is the guy also, Mike that I'll 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.320 probably have my eye on the most I mean undrafted rookies. 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:43.520 We know the history and the backstory with the Green 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:46.720 Bay Packers and at those spots. If he can put 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:50.200 together a strong performance in this preseason finale against Seattle, 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:52.119 I don't know what that all means for Tuesday and 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:53.639 how the Packers will sort through it. But this is 0:17:53.640 --> 0:17:55.320 a guy that Mike, you and I were talking about 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:58.720 him at OTAs and he has just continually done it 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:02.520 over and over again, so impressive. It reminds you of 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:07.040 the Allen Lizards, the Jake Kumeros, where you have an 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:11.080 inundation of draft picks at receiver. You remember when Kummero 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:13.959 made it the first time. I gave Jake no chance 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:16.560 at making the fifty three because they had three rookie 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:20.199 draft picks that year. Just so turned out that, you know, 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:22.399 you had Marcus Veldez scantling, but otherwise there was a 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:24.400 lot of opportunities still there even though there were those 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:27.360 incoming picks. This is going to be critical to see 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:29.879 exactly how the Packers shuffle this out. I do not 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:33.000 envy Brian Goudikuntz and his scouts. I know they relish 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.159 these opportunities. I know it's a challenge for them and 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:37.320 it's an excitement that they don't have to go too well, 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:39.720 we got forty seven players, and who else do we 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:41.320 want to fill up this roster with now? I mean, 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:43.840 it is going to be a tedious cut to fifty three, 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:44.680 no doubt about it. 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:45.400 I think. 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:48.200 One of the things, and we'll kind of close on this. 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:50.560 One of the things that has struck me about watching 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:53.239 Malie Heath, as you said, we've watched him, you know, 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:56.600 through all the way since he arrived here, is that 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:59.560 a lot of times when undrafted guys catch your eye, 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:03.080 it's always like, oh, like where where's where's he from? 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:04.600 Or what school did he come from? And you know, 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:06.000 you look up and you try to get to know 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:08.159 him a little bit. Yeah, if you didn't know the 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:12.280 background for of of Malie Keith, the question you'd be 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:15.000 asking is what round was this guy drafted in? I mean, 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:18.160 and that's that That's not always That's not always the case. 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:21.280 Undrafted guys will still kind of look like undrafted guys, right, 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:24.520 he hasn't looked like one. The question it's it's like 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:26.840 you're wondering, what round was he drafted and he wasn't 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:31.359 drafted at all, and he's uh, he's made a strong case. 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:33.560 But we don't know. Are the Packers going to keep 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:36.320 five receivers or six receivers or seven receivers, how many 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:38.280 are going to be on the fifty three, how many 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:40.560 will they want to bring back on the practice squad. 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:43.000