1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers four Eyes of Conda all 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: four episodes. Hello, my name is Jason Getepsi and I'm 3 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: Rosie Night and welcome back to x rabis in the 4 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: podcast where we dive deep at your favorite shows, movies, comics, 5 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: and pop culture. Company from Myra podcast Wherever You three 6 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: episodes a week every Tuesday Thursday, plus your summer's biggest 7 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 1: movies on Friday. 8 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: And it's on Saturday. 9 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 3: Ye's. 10 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 2: In today's episode, we are gonna conve inn hellll low 11 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 2: round table. We're gonna bring in superroduce a Joel Monique, 12 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 2: and then we are gonna be talking about Marvel Animation 13 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: and the newest show drop Eyes of Wakanda. Joel, how 14 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: are you doing today? I'm good. 15 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 4: I'm good. I listen. I came in with on the 16 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 4: floor expectations. I was like, I even feeling Marvel Animation. 17 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 4: I don't know, is we not in Wakanda. I walked 18 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 4: away being like, yeah, I kind of kind of fox 19 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 4: heavy with this show, kind of want to see you. Oh, 20 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 4: maybe this is a good way to do it. 21 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: You know, I did come away. I mean my main 22 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: takeaway is there should be more of it and there's 23 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: not enough of it. And if there's one thing that 24 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: keeps this show from being actually like, it's a good 25 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: show and I enjoyed it, and I think particularly younger 26 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: Marvel fans will really love it. I think what keeps 27 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: it from being like ooh, yeah, okay is the fact 28 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: that it's only four. I think clearly they just were like, 29 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: we're not doing where the budgets are getting slashed, We're 30 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: not doing ten episodes of this. It doesn't make sense 31 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: to do only four episodes of a Adventure of the 32 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: week style show. But that's what happened. And to me, 33 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: the only thing that keeps this show from being like 34 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: really good is the fact that it's only four because 35 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: we don't we don't allow it's not a runway for 36 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: the kind of B and C level intro Wakanda political 37 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: storylines to really get momentum, Like the introduction of the 38 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: adventures are really fun, but we don't get we don't 39 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: get more than that. That's my one takeaways. I need more. 40 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: How would you yeah, I would love more of this shows. 41 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: It's really great, it's really well made. How would you 42 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: guys feel if they had kind of had a bit 43 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: more time and they'd kind of re invented the movie. 44 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 2: This show as more of like a you know, kind 45 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 2: of like Killer of Killers Predator, where you had those 46 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 2: three stories but the fourth one kind of tied together. 47 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: Would you guys have liked to see them kind of 48 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: reimagine this into one story that comes together in that 49 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: way and the end. I think that could have been 50 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 2: really interesting if they knew it was going to be short. 51 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: I thought that that's what they were going to do, 52 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: and it's clear that things must have changed. It seems 53 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: like that was what they were aiming for right from 54 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 1: the episodes, and it just feels like things must have 55 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: changed quite abruptly in the midst of production, and they're 56 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: like allowed them to finish out these episodes, but you know, 57 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: you still feel like there was more to come. The 58 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: way it ends, I mean, we. 59 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: Even have like Chekhov's acts in the same way that 60 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 2: we kind of have the Chekhov's gun in Killer of Killers. 61 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: Let's talk quickly about what these episodes were about. Episode one, 62 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: into the Lion's Den. We open an crete in. 63 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 3: Twelve sixty BC Whoa and Noni, who is like a 64 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 3: former disgraced Dora, is tasked with taking down a former 65 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 3: captain the Royal Guard who has gone rogue the Lion. 66 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: Episode two, Legends and Lies is a kind of reimagining 67 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: of the Trojan War in which we come to understand 68 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: Wakanda's like hidden role in that conflict. Episode three, Lost 69 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: and Found we open in China and fourteen hundred a 70 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: d And this is more of a what should Wakanda's 71 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: role in the greater world be? When we see atrocities, crimes, 72 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: bad things taking place, should Wakanda step in? And this 73 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: is a very interesting episode. And then episode four of 74 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: the Last Panther, Prince Dafari and Kuda of the mining 75 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: tribe or after yet another lost vibranium artifact, and what 76 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: they're after is actually the you mentioned it, the pickaxe 77 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: Kilmonger stole in Black Panther. Okay, those are our setups 78 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: for our episodes. So yeah, let's talk about what we 79 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: liked and didn't like. Joell, you liked this episode, I 80 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: think more than anybody. Tell us what you liked. 81 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 4: I like these series of episodes. 82 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 2: I would love in the texts I was getting. Let's talk. 83 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, So first of all, I just want to 84 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 4: acknowledge the market confusion because I tend to agree with 85 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 4: you guys that I think a movie would have just 86 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 4: been a much more clear directive for audiences of like, hey, 87 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 4: this is like a little secret history of the war Dogs. 88 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 4: They're really allowing you to seep in. And when you 89 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 4: do a TV series, particularly an animated show, I think, 90 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 4: particularly coming from House of Mouse, you know, we've seen 91 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 4: some pretty great children's television shows that tell long form 92 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 4: narratives over a full season of television, and so to 93 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 4: shortcut that to just four episodes is frustrating. I definitely 94 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 4: feel like this is just a taste when you could 95 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 4: have had like a whole meal of great spy stories. 96 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 4: Who doesn't love like international intrigue. You've got some Royal 97 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 4: Court miss Sift going on, third Sons and whatnot. Like 98 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 4: it's really like hefty in that way. I think what 99 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 4: I really enjoyed most about this is, like I love Lare, 100 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 4: and I think if Marvel has dedicated itself to telling 101 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 4: long form, consecutive narrative stories in a singular universe, then 102 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 4: this is a great way to get into Lare. Like 103 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,239 Speaker 4: we know, just a little sprinkling about the war Dogs. 104 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 4: If you're a strictly an mcu fan. If you haven't 105 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 4: dipped into the comics, what you sort of know about 106 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 4: the war Dogs is a they are seem to be 107 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 4: insiders of more violent action. They seem to be more 108 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 4: I mean, they're on the front lines. They're willing to 109 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 4: They're like, hey, we got to defend ourselves out and 110 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 4: so I don't want to say it's like a negative connotation, 111 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 4: but they kind of always seem to be at odds that, 112 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 4: like what the Dormalage are doing. We're seeing a lot 113 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 4: of infighting. So to get this fully fleshed out form 114 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 4: a to see like a woman leading it early loved her, 115 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 4: loved the pilot to me perfection, obsessed with this pilot. 116 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 4: I could watch it over and over again. I think 117 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 4: the building of the villain is so tactile, and you 118 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 4: understand this character so well, and you would like I 119 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 4: would spend more time with him. One hundred percent. We'd 120 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 4: love to see spinoffs. Great costuming, there's so many, like, 121 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 4: so many great choices overall from the animators in both 122 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 4: like the styles of fighting costume design. You can tell 123 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 4: there's a lot of historical reference to these different periods 124 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 4: they're exploring. And then to cap it all off, you know, 125 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 4: episode two, which is I really had fun. I I'm 126 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 4: an Achilles Stan Okay, I really love the character of Achilles. 127 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 4: I was missing Metropolis. I was like, are we gonna 128 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 4: go full gay? And they're like, no, we're gonna go 129 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 4: subversive gay. We're here at Disney. We don't We're not 130 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 4: touching it, but we will give you all all of 131 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 4: the hints, all of the right up to was any 132 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 4: of it really I think at one point accause like 133 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 4: you bathed me, I was like, okay, get it, Like 134 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 4: they're really into okay, And so I think that there's 135 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 4: such a deep dive of all of this and it's 136 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 4: really lovely, and I wish we did had more episodes. 137 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll be right back after a quick break and 138 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: we're back. 139 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 2: I want to know, how do you guys feel about 140 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 2: that kind of like ancient Greek setting, because that wasn't 141 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 2: something that I necessarily like saw coming. I feel like 142 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 2: it's not something that they really kind of pushed, but 143 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 2: it becomes quite a major part of the story. Again, 144 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 2: feels like maybe the original idea for this show was 145 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 2: it was going to be twelve ish episodes long, and 146 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 2: each one was a different period in history, right, It 147 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: doesn't feel like this was kind of necessarily the be 148 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: all and end all Joel your Greek myth lover, Jason, 149 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 2: how about you? How did that work? 150 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: It was a little bit more. Listen, if this show 151 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: had more runway, maybe it all makes sense to me. 152 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: It was a little bit. I found the setups themselves 153 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: a little bit of a question mark for me. And 154 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,719 Speaker 1: I found myself, you know, I thought, I think the 155 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: show is really good, and I think again, particularly young 156 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: Marvel fans, will really love it. And I really enjoyed it. 157 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: But I did find myself going, you know what, like, 158 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: on the surface, a story about the war dogs and 159 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: about the spies of Wakana going out and how they're 160 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 1: kind of tinkering in geopolitics in order to keep Wakanda 161 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: safe and secure, et cetera, is like it makes sense 162 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:43,479 Speaker 1: on paper, But I found myself being like, where's Wakanda, 163 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: What's going on Wakana, What's going on in Africa? What's 164 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 1: going on like next to Wakanda? And and I found 165 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: myself being like, why am I in Why am I 166 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: in Greece? With Brad Pitt from Troy That's fine? And 167 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: this is like overall in enjoyable, but I found myself 168 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: missing the Wakanda of it all. Like, yes, we do 169 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: go there, and we have these kind of conversations, you know, 170 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 1: strolling in gardens and talking about like the political reasonings 171 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: and why we have to keep this secret from the 172 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: Dora and from others, and we get these kind of 173 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: hint set at the political intra political conflicts within Wakanda. Right, 174 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: But that's kind of like what I wanted more of, 175 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: and that's kind of what I was very interested in. Like, 176 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: I think we know about the you know, at least 177 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: I feel like I kind of have seen that. I 178 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: know about the Trojan War. I kind of know about it. 179 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 1: I want to know what's going on in Wakana. I 180 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: want to know what's going on right around Wakanda. Like 181 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: it seems interesting to me that we're interfering in the 182 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: Trojan War, which is taking place in what is now Turkey, 183 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: messing around with societies that have no ability to pay 184 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: to trade into Africa and get anywhere close to wak 185 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: Why do we care? 186 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 4: Okay, I'm up two minds and I'll tell you why. 187 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 5: Jason. 188 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, here's the thoughts. Some thoughts one, I will say, 189 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 4: I agree with you that a game of Throne style 190 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 4: like Palace intrigue with the garden talks in Wakanda. I 191 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 4: mean someone cook intrigue. 192 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: It's like, what what threat do the Trojans pose to 193 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: Wakanda such that we need to place the war Dogs 194 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: with them? 195 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 4: So I agree that an inciting incident beyond the Lion 196 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 4: of like how is because every time they go out there, 197 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 4: like they're recovering Wakandan technology, And so in the first one, 198 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 4: you're like, oh, this guy kind of goes Rogan is 199 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 4: spreading the technologies just all from him? Did he like 200 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 4: was his I mean he had a shit kind of ships, 201 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 4: So it's possible his empire was that vast. We just 202 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 4: don't know. And so I completely understand like a more 203 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 4: harmonizing theme of like why are these artifacts getting out 204 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 4: in the first place would be helpful to the story. 205 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 4: But I also think like knowing that Disney has really 206 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 4: struggled to keep narratives straight, like keeping that storyline clean, 207 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 4: and this is a great way for us to dig 208 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 4: into again just just the war Dogs, like who are 209 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 4: the people who joined the war Dogs? What is there? 210 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: I completely agree, and so I think this is I 211 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: am nitpick. I'm giving you the nick like. There are 212 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: somes that I really like, which is I love history. 213 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: I love like I love this idea that there's this 214 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: hidden hand of Wakanda involved in all these events and 215 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: they've managed to keep it secret all this time. You know, 216 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: for me, it's like the the the thing that is 217 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: the nitpick is once you go past that, I'm like, Okay, 218 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: so where is Wakanda. Why are we not there? That's 219 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: that's my thing. But I'm sorry, sorry, tru continue now. 220 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, like, I think that there's it. 221 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 4: In order to get into the Wakanda history, you would 222 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 4: need some more concrete language from like MCU tops like 223 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 4: you you Coogler in here tooling and being like, yes, 224 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 4: this is concrete fact and we can dive into that. 225 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 4: This makes it so that the world at large is 226 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 4: not disrupted, but it gives you an interpersonal look at 227 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 4: a group of folks that you did not know that 228 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 4: much about. It makes me like six times more excited 229 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 4: to see the war Dogs in future movies. Like I 230 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 4: think this is a good to your point, and maybe 231 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 4: this is part of the problem with the MCU. It's 232 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 4: like this is a good bolstering point. It's just a 233 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 4: rand show in and of its own. Right now, it 234 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 4: feels like half done and you're not sure why you're here, 235 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 4: and it's a little strange. It almost feels like a 236 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 4: web tune in, like a. 237 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 6: Both Marvel and yeah, I know it could even Like 238 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 6: you do you remember a few years ago, well, probably 239 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 6: like ten years ago now, it was really popular to 240 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 6: like launch a show on YouTube. 241 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 2: They did it with My Little Pony, Friendships, Magic, they 242 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 2: did it with most of the High They did it 243 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 2: with a bunch of different shows. This definitely feels like 244 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 2: it could have been a web series. I believe that's 245 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 2: why they would have called it. 246 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 4: I watched it with my brother and he was like, 247 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 4: were there are sharing cartoon animators on this? 248 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 2: Oh my god? Wait wait wait wait okay, okay, can 249 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 2: I please say that I'm not gonna lie. First two 250 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 2: minutes of the first episode, the faces were giving veggietails. 251 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 5: They were like, and. 252 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 2: I they were And I did see that. It was 253 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 2: just the It was kind of the secondary characters. So 254 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 2: I think the reason that we are not in Wakanda 255 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 2: or in Africa in general is because essentially the war 256 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 2: Dogs in the comics are you know, it's the two 257 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 2: Zaraz there we were introducing Christopher Priest's stuff, so, you know, 258 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 2: like with Mark tex Schera, so you know, it's kind 259 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 2: of more serious. Right in Black Panther volume three, issue four, 260 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 2: so like late nineties December, they are basically secret police, 261 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 2: and they are basically like sent They are a tribe 262 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:58,479 Speaker 2: who is this kind of sent themselves out there to 263 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 2: torture and interrogate it do all the stuff that Wakanda 264 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 2: doesn't really want to do, you know. So I think 265 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 2: that is why there is this focus on kind of 266 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 2: the Greek myths, the kind of like they don't want 267 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 2: to show them out they're doing bad stuff, because in 268 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 2: the comics it's that they go off to Wakandan's enemies. 269 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 2: That's kind of my gut. But I think kids have 270 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 2: the capacity to understand complex storytelling and they didn't have 271 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 2: to go so kind of safe is my face. 272 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: I want to say that I agree, listen, I get it. 273 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: I just think that here's why the Lion is the 274 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: best episode, because this makes sense to what the mission 275 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: of the War Dogs is. It's twelve hundred BC. There 276 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: is no regional power in the world capable of penetrating 277 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: into the heart of Africa to ever threaten Wakanda at all. 278 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: The threat to Wakanda is from inside. It's the people 279 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: who disagree with the current political sentiment and they're like, 280 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: I'm taking some tech and I'm leaving. I'm gonna do 281 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: my own thing. So that's why that episode is so 282 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: great because it's like, oh, yes, thematically, it makes sense 283 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: story wise, it makes sense like this is the eyes 284 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: of Wakanda aren't looking out, They're looking in at this 285 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: period and time. Right. I love that, And that's a 286 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: different story to me, it'd be a more interesting story. 287 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: But it's like why that episode works because again, they're 288 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: looking in at they're so far ahead of everybody. The 289 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: only threat is their technology getting out, and so the 290 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: only threat is their own people, not anybody else. And 291 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: so that episode absolutely I got it, and I'm like, 292 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: this is the best. It's the best episode I think 293 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: of the series for sure. And then the rest of it, 294 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: like we're going to Troy, Like, yes, Achilles, he's a demigod. 295 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: Maybe that's why he's a You're concerned about him. He's 296 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: a demigod, right, But like, again, are the ancient Trojans 297 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: gonna like march thousands of miles inland to penetrate their 298 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: high tech shields is not gonna happen. And then so 299 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, why are we with these folks, Like let them, 300 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: let them do their little war over the girlfriend. 301 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, the confusing part is that Achilles seemed ancillary to 302 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 4: the situation. It was more that Helen had the stone 303 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 4: and You're like, okay, what was she gonna do with it? 304 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 4: That part was never explained, and you were like, okay, yeah, 305 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,479 Speaker 4: just that she had it was a problem perhaps, But yeah, 306 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 4: I think they got lost a little on the directive 307 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 4: of why they were out, and they were more absorbed 308 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 4: in the types of people who are war dogs, which 309 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 4: I find for me interesting, especially given the number of 310 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 4: dormalage we have spent like significant amounts of time. Yeah, 311 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 4: like we have a full understanding of like these are 312 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 4: women who are very dedicated both to each other and 313 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 4: to strictly the protection of Wakanda, Like they could be 314 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 4: spies going out into the world. 315 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 2: And the reimagined because in the comics that the King's Wives. 316 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 2: You know, So the MCU has done this really good 317 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:02,239 Speaker 2: job of banning them out. I would say, also, in 318 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 2: case you guys are wondering, like where have you seen 319 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 2: the war Dogs kill? Manga's dad played by stelln K. Brown. 320 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,479 Speaker 2: He and Djobu. He was basically a war dog who 321 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 2: then settled in Oakland and decided he didn't want to 322 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 2: do it anymore. And that's that's kind of what happened there. 323 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 2: So you have seen these characters before, but like you say, Joelle, 324 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,719 Speaker 2: this is like so much more insight into them than 325 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 2: we've ever gotten in the movies. 326 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think, what, Yeah, I agree. 327 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 4: Kind of working for me in this is like again, 328 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 4: I think kicking open a door is really important in 329 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 4: and see you with the thing. I kind of like, 330 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 4: it's what why I really love the Thunderbolts, like final 331 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 4: like post credits scene. I just I really appreciate when 332 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 4: either we're getting brand new information or insight into like 333 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 4: the direction these characters are gonna go when we come back. 334 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 4: It's like a nice thing to kind of think on 335 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 4: and ponder when you leave the theater. Or I like 336 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 4: it when we're getting a better understanding of like history 337 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 4: and motive for characters. 338 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 1: And I think like if we. 339 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 4: Look at the very best episodes of what If. Like 340 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 4: I think a lot of people agree that the Black 341 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 4: Panther as star Lord episode is probably the best episode 342 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 4: of What If, and like it completely like encapsulates like 343 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 4: what makes T'Challa such an interesting character just as a person, 344 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 4: like outside of his title or his costuming or even 345 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 4: the shaping of Wakanda, for this character like that is 346 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 4: a guy who's a leader, and it's good heartened. It 347 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 4: provides so much death and I really think, like I 348 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 4: know the MC is pulling back on TV shows, which 349 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 4: I think is that you can feel, yeah, yeah, I'm 350 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 4: okay with it, except for the fact that when they're 351 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 4: good and they hit, they're so good. And I just 352 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 4: I wish we could have a space where we could 353 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 4: take our time and like really develop some of these things, 354 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 4: and we could have gotten like a full season of 355 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 4: Eyes of Wakanda or you know, whatever comes to on 356 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 4: the pipeline next. I just really hope like, as we're 357 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 4: taking time to explore and deep and lore like that 358 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 4: we're giving it space to prosper as opposed to like, 359 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 4: this is not a show that will be remembered, which 360 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 4: I think is unfortunate. 361 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: I think it's unfortunate too, and I think, like the 362 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: questions raised by the show are actually fascinating, Like what 363 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: should Wakana's role be in a world where they are 364 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:28,239 Speaker 1: so technologically advanced? Now that's that's Jason Well, I mean 365 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 1: I did it? 366 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 4: Did it? 367 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 1: Did it? Bumps me a little bit that they have 368 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: the technology of like twenty twenty five, like they have 369 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: the advanced technology they have in the current MCU three 370 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: thousand years in the past, which leads you to believe, 371 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: like why so what happened in the last thousand, Like 372 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: you guys, why all out? But where's the new solution? 373 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: You know, why are you time traveling? And so that 374 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: was a little weird to me, Like I thought that 375 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: they should have scaled it, you know, put them five 376 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: hundred years ahead of whoever they're you know, whatever their 377 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: contemporaries are doing. But I thought it was a little 378 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: weird to have them essentially be a modern technology. 379 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to take a quick break and we'll 380 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 2: be right back. 381 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 5: And we're back. 382 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 2: Would have been cooled to see different eras of their technology. 383 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: I would also say, how do you guys? I feel 384 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 2: like potentially, if six months ago they'd said, hey, it's 385 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 2: going to be a four episode mini series about the 386 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 2: you know, the fights and flights of the war dogs 387 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 2: in Waconda. I feel like Disney kind of just didn't 388 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 2: tell us that it was going to be a shortened season. 389 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 2: Four episodes is never what you expect from a standard season, 390 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 2: and they were kind of pushing that idea of you know, 391 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 2: when Ironheart came out, they had Ryan Coogler and Michael B. 392 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 2: Jordan I'm really rad and supporting the show and talking 393 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 2: about it, and they were like, isaawa kanda isawakonda? Do 394 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 2: you guys feel like if there had been a little 395 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 2: bit more stage setting for what the show would be 396 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 2: able to bring, it might have been easier for you 397 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 2: guys to stomach if you knew it, like or more 398 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 2: enjoyable or something. 399 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 1: I mean, I just think there just needs to be 400 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: more of it. It's really that simple for me. Yeah, 401 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: Like it really stage setting could have happened in the 402 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: show if we had more episodes before, like, and I 403 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: think if you only have four, don't do an adventure 404 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: of the week, you do a four part story, and 405 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: you know that's that's just really where I am. I 406 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: think this is very promising, but just not enough of it. Joe, 407 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: what do you think. 408 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm looking at Tales of the Jedi. You know 409 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 4: that had six episodes, three each dedicated to a single character, 410 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 4: and I think that format really works well. But when 411 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 4: I think back to the advertising, it's very similar of like, Okay, 412 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 4: at your Star Wars conventions, you're seeing a lot of 413 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 4: ads or something pop up, maybe your D twenty threes, 414 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 4: but not a lot in between, like trying to draw 415 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 4: you into watching these animated shows. And I just I 416 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 4: would like to see a refocus on animation. I think 417 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 4: between the loss of College Network, which was doing some 418 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 4: really big things. I mean we I want to say, 419 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 4: like twenty fifteen to twenty twenty, maybe we saw this 420 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 4: boom and like really excellent animated television. Can maybe take 421 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 4: back to twenty ten with the start of Adventure Time. 422 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 4: We saw a lot of new young creators, We saw 423 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 4: a lot of different styles of animation, and I really 424 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 4: felt like from the television angle, we were pushing. 425 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: And even you could take it back. 426 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 4: To film and things like Cloudy with a Chance comes 427 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 4: out and what like twenty eleven, twenty twelve. 428 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 2: Somewhere and then and then sets everything up for two 429 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 2: of the biggest directors to kind of come into animation. 430 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 4: One hundred percent. And so I guess I, you know, 431 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 4: I liked what we got. I do feel bereft. I 432 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 4: also feel like Disney, You're supposed to be like Kings 433 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 4: of animation. This shit be. I think when Marvel's releasing 434 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 4: animated stuff, this should be like a really big deal. 435 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 4: It should be breathtakingly gorgeous. The story should be great, 436 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 4: Like you have great writers like Jeffrey Thorne and Mark 437 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 4: bnardnerre two of the EPs on this show. 438 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 2: And they've done a lot in the comic space, so. 439 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 4: Much good shaping of these characters in these worlds. And 440 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 4: I'm a little bit flabbergasted that we're still you know, 441 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 4: especially I think coming off of something like Netflix kind 442 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 4: of blowing us away with our Kane and other partnership 443 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 4: with Sony and Kate pop Yaman Hunters. 444 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,959 Speaker 1: It's like why why? I will just say that I 445 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: don't know that a series that went so far over 446 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: budget that we are actually still struggling to understand how 447 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: they spent the money is the example that we necessarily 448 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 1: want to use in this in this situation, because I 449 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: think that's exactly. 450 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 5: What Disney is like worried about Yeah, no, I will look, 451 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 5: I will say I do that Netflix is like in 452 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 5: a space right now where they are committed to animation 453 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 5: in a way. 454 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 2: You know, they have obviously cap up Demon Hunters. I 455 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 2: am literally about to leave to go to New York 456 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 2: to present a movie called Fixed by Gendy Tarkovski, which 457 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 2: is like a crazy rated animated movie which I actually 458 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 2: found to be incredibly like heartfelt and interesting. We also 459 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 2: have like a cultural explosion in anime, and people are 460 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 2: easily able to access some of the best animation in 461 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 2: the world. And I think that that means when Disney 462 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 2: does something who were that you know, huge kind of 463 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 2: animation space. They were the forefrunners of it, at the 464 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 2: four runners of it. Like, I think that it's understandable 465 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 2: to want a little bit more, but I do think 466 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 2: that the main thing here is just not enough time, 467 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 2: not enough space, because there's characters here that I do 468 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 2: want to see again, like I want to see Jurani. 469 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 2: I love that we got this second animated iron Fist 470 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 2: played by Joan Najao. I thought that was like such 471 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 2: a real quay. I loved the kind of they kept 472 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 2: the law, like you go to defeat Shao Laud. I'm 473 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 2: dying you go to and I'm like, I want to 474 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 2: see a whole series about that, Like I want to. 475 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,239 Speaker 2: I you know, if there is a character that we 476 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 2: see again in the MCU, who would you want that 477 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 2: to be? Joel? 478 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: I mean and. 479 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, Jason, did you see like you had to answer ready? 480 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: I mean I was going to say that there is 481 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: an immortal you know, the Matt Fraction immortal Iron Fist 482 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: run is exactly the thing that Rosie just laid out, 483 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: which is like a set number of issues focusing on 484 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: certain historical iron Fists through time so that you kind 485 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: of get the feel for what the role is, what 486 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: the arc is, the challenges each of these characters had 487 00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 1: to face during different periods in time, and the kind 488 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: of their own personal relationship with the responsibility and legacy 489 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: of taking on the role. It was like a great 490 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: it was really interesting, but it also like had plenty 491 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: of runway to let those stories unfold. But I think, 492 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: like I mean you mentioned it, like I think an 493 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: iron Fist through time story would be incredible. 494 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 4: I could not agree more. I love iron Fists, like 495 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,959 Speaker 4: the character at large, and I think seeing different iterations 496 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 4: would be fabulous for me, though, I want more time 497 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 4: with Nanny, Like I'm really intrigued. I just think, like 498 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 4: the again just to shout out, like the hard work 499 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 4: that some of the animators have done, Like the Fortress 500 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 4: of the Wardogs was so freaking cool. I was like, 501 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 4: it's on the other side of the waterfall where they 502 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 4: crowned the king, because that's baller, Like, I. 503 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 2: Really did a great job talking to she did a 504 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 2: great job. And I think also I think they set 505 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 2: Nonny up as like kind of the nick Fury. They 506 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 2: gave it the eye catch they I would like to 507 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 2: see her putting together the war Dogs, especially because they're 508 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 2: not what you expect based on the comics. 509 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 4: I love spending time with Nannia. I think the fact 510 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 4: that like her sort of future generations are quoting her 511 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 4: and she sort of has this epic legacy and she 512 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 4: has a very dope look is super cool. 513 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 2: Uh. 514 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 4: And also, if we just wanted to see the Lions rise, 515 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 4: would read an entire comic book about it. I don't 516 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,199 Speaker 4: know if we actually don't know if we need a 517 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 4: TV series for that, but if somebody could just put 518 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 4: that in a comic and I can see, like his 519 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 4: thoughts on like what is freedom are so like fascinating 520 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 4: to me, Like when people. 521 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 2: Also wacons read Pirate King, Yeah, interesting, I love that. Well. 522 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 2: I would also say I think something that they get 523 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 2: into a little bit here which is interesting. It's kind 524 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 2: of like in the later books, especially the tanahasy Coats stuff, 525 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 2: they get into this idea of like Wakanda is almost 526 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 2: like a colonizer of space and they have to deal 527 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 2: with like the realities of like what it means to 528 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 2: do exploration to take new Land. And I think there 529 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 2: is a lot of interesting stuff there that I feel 530 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 2: like was an influence on this that got like touched on, 531 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 2: but is never truly you know, delved into. And when 532 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 2: we get that final Nika Nonnie Rose version of the 533 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 2: Black Panther in the future and stuff, I thought they 534 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 2: did a good job of ultimately tying it back to 535 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 2: the MCU and also then saying, hey, all these characters 536 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 2: live in the MCU that you understand now because of 537 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 2: this pickaxe. But I would have just yeah, I would 538 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 2: have just loved to see, you know. 539 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 4: With the switch to kill me. I was like, for me, like, yeah, 540 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 4: is it Yeah, maybe a little cheesy, but okay, it's 541 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 4: like a it's a post credit scene that you know 542 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 4: where it's going. It builds into the lore. Okay, I 543 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 4: have one last question before we get out of here. Guys, 544 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 4: sure if we were going to take another part of 545 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 4: the MC doesn't have to be content from anywhere that 546 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 4: we could build law into, and it was going to 547 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 4: be an animated show, which group or personal episodes into 548 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 4: yes with a full with a full season order, what 549 00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 4: would you like to know more about? 550 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 2: I think Jason really already kind of touched on it. 551 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 2: I think that idea, especially after seeing you know, Jirani. 552 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 2: I think doing some kind of iron fist history, Who's 553 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 2: who's had all the mantles? How has the technology changed? 554 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 2: That kind of thing. I would also love, you know, 555 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 2: in Wakanda, some kind of slice of life, like what 556 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 2: is it like to live in Wakanda and not be 557 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 2: in the dormage, not be in the war dogs, not 558 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 2: be a royal family member? Like? I want to know 559 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 2: about that. I want to know some young kid who 560 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 2: accidentally finds an artifact and has to go on an 561 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 2: adventure like Black Panther kind of has that Star Wars 562 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 2: thing right now where everybody it's about lineage and legacy 563 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 2: and family, and I would love to know about the 564 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 2: other people in that world. 565 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: Same well. Coming up on x ray Vision, we're diving 566 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: into this week's newest horror movie Weapons. Cannot wait to 567 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: see this movie. That's it for this episode. Thanks for 568 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: listening by. 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