1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of I 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:13,319 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh 3 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: Clark and there's Charles w Chuck Bryant and it's just 4 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: the two of us. And that's okay because we are 5 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: here and we are ready to do this thing and 6 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: it's gonna be good stuff. You should not. That's right. 7 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: Waiting into political waters yep, no way around it, no 8 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: way around it. What does that DC license plates say? 9 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: Taxation without representation? That says it all, it really does. 10 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: I love it because it's so subversive, you know. That's right. 11 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: We're talking about DC statehood and why the District of 12 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: Columbia it's not a state when they have seven hundred 13 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: thousand roughly people living there, about two hundred and fifty 14 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: thousand of which were born and raised there. Uh, and 15 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: yet they don't get the benefits of statehood we'll talk 16 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: about for reasons that are kind oft I think. So. Um, yeah, 17 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 1: if you aren't aware, if you live in d C. 18 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: You you have some voting rights, but mostly, um, you 19 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: are very much limited or restricted as far as like 20 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: what you're allowed to do to participate in democracy, at 21 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: least compared to other states, right, and all of this 22 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: was like because of a layer, layer after layer after 23 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: layer of rules and laws and regulations that basically prevent 24 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: DC residents from voting or participating like other other residents 25 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: of other states. Um. And so this idea that like, wait, 26 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: this isn't right has been something that people have been 27 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: talking about for a very long time, and yet we 28 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: still can't reach this finish line to make d C 29 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: the fifty first state, um, which a lot of people is, 30 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: including most the people who live in d C want 31 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: they want to become the fifty first state. They want 32 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: to be a state, they want to be treated like 33 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: a state, and they just can't quite get it to 34 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: the finish line. But it's possible, Chuck, that we're close, 35 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: closer than ever, actually closer than ever, but still not 36 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: too close. If he asked me, well, we'll we'll we'll see. 37 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: I think we'll see. Yeah, we'll see. So let's talk 38 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: about how DC was even established and why all of 39 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: this is is like this hodgepodge of weird laws and 40 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: rules and where it came from. Yeah, so we didn't 41 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: have a capital as a country at first? Uh for 42 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: about um, I guess from seventeen seventy six to eighty nine, 43 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: the Continental Congress met in different places. They met in Philly, 44 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: of course, they met in Maryland. Some they met New 45 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: York City. Some they even met in New Jersey some 46 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: believe it or not. And in sev seven and the 47 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: Philadelphia Convention, they wrote the Constitution and said, you know, 48 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: that's really kind of beefed up the oral government, and 49 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: said we need someplace that's like clearly ours that we 50 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: will meet, that is permanent. And it was written right 51 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: there in the Constitution, Article one, Section eight, Class seventeen. Yes, 52 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: and um. Exactly where they were going to put this 53 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: new capital was a huge debate, Like everybody just presumed 54 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: it would be someplace like New York or Philadelphia, where 55 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: it was already you know, the populations were very established 56 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: and large, and where they had already written the Constitution, 57 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: and where a lot of the early founding fathers were from. Um. 58 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: But the Southern States said, hey, man, we don't want 59 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: the capitol all the way up there in New York 60 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: or in Pennsylvania. We need it somewhere that's a little 61 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: closer to the middle of this country. This string of 62 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: thirteen colonies along the eastern seaboard. So they came up 63 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: with what's called the Compromise of seventy, which said, Okay, 64 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: we'll place this capital further south towards you guys, but 65 00:03:55,000 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: you have to say that the colonial um debts obligations 66 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: that were accrued during the Revolutionary War, we get to 67 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: move those over to them to the federal government's responsibility, 68 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: because we these northern colonies are swimming in debt and 69 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: we just can't pay them off. So one of the 70 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: first things we have to do when we established this 71 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: country is laden it with revolutionary war debt, right. Uh. 72 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 1: And with the Residents Act, they said, you know, we 73 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: literally need land, like physical space, So Maryland, Virginia, pony up. 74 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: You've got to give up each a little bit, uh 75 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 1: to create this area. And um, I think they eventually not. 76 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: I think I know they eventually got back Alexandria Virginia 77 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: in eighty six, But initially that was a part of 78 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: the uh, the tranche of land and sort of the 79 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: very I think from the very beginning they weren't a 80 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: state because of something that happened that kind of feels 81 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: a little more contemporary of the past couple of recent years. 82 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: The the Pennsylvania Mutiny of seventeen eighty three when these veterans, 83 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: hundreds of veterans, stormed Congress and said, you know, this 84 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: is what we want. They were angry, we want back Bay, 85 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 1: we want this and that, and the Pennsylvania Executive Council 86 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: would not send the state militia to protect Congress and 87 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: they had to move to New Jersey temporarily. And so 88 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: they were like, this is not good. We need to 89 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: be able to be in charge of our own um 90 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: defense really, and so we need a federal land that 91 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: is not a state so we can have our own uh, 92 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: our own defense system, our own soldiers system. They just 93 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: saw that if it ever came down to, you know, 94 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: a federal versus a state kind of situation again, that 95 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: they couldn't rely on a state militia, so that capital 96 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: couldn't be associated or affiliated with the state, had to 97 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: be a stateless capital that was its own territory. It 98 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: made sense, It definitely did um and and it was 99 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: all because of that Pennsylvania Mutiny of seventeen eighty three, 100 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: because war veterans were oh back pay and they were 101 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: mad about it, and we're chasing Congress all over the country. 102 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 1: For it. So, um, so that's why d C was 103 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: stateless to begin with, like that, so that the federal 104 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: government could have its own jurisdiction over this this area, 105 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: over the capital, that's right. And uh in eighteen hundred 106 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: Congress set up there in Washington, d C. And like 107 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: I said, Alexandria is part of it. First Georgetown was 108 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: and still is, and they were you know, there were 109 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: port towns, so there was a lot going on there. 110 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: But for the first um several decades, d C was 111 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: pretty rural, uh, and didn't really start growing a lot, 112 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: and we have some population breakdowns, but it was really 113 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: post Civil War is when the population boom happened there. 114 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: I think in eighteen hundred there was eight thousand people there, 115 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: eighteen sixty seventy thousand, eighteen eighty a hundred and seventy 116 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: five thousand. That's a big jump. Yeah. And these are 117 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: you know, people that work for the government, and these 118 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: are also uh, free people now that came up from 119 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: the South set up presidents there and so d C 120 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: for many many years had a majority black population and 121 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: kind of right away, Uh, the federal government was like, 122 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: well that won't do either, yes, And so the reason 123 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: that they were not okay with it was because well, 124 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: at first, so people in DC have been agitating for, um, 125 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: what's called home rule, which is just basically, you're allowed 126 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: to self determine your own government. You can elect your 127 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: own officials. They can pass laws other people can't, like 128 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: out other people in the country can't tell you that 129 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: your laws are invalid. Um just basically the right to 130 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: sovereignty that any state holds right. So people have been 131 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: interested in that in d C since the outset. But 132 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: as you said earlier, it was a really rural and 133 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: small population for a while, so it didn't really matter 134 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: as much because it affected so few people. But as 135 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: the population grew it became more and more of a 136 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: pressing issue until um, they finally said, and I think 137 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: eighteen sixty seven, you know what you're you're you're totally right, 138 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: like we should we should let d C residents vote, 139 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: And they passed an act that said everybody in DC 140 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: can vote. And by saying everybody in d C, or 141 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,679 Speaker 1: I should say every man in DC can vote, Um, 142 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: they were for the first time in American history, enfranchising 143 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: black men to vote. Like there had never been a 144 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: law that allow black men to vote in the history 145 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: of the country to that point, and that was the 146 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: first one that was ever passed. And so starting in 147 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: eighteen sixty seven, uh for a full three long years, UM, 148 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: black men were allowed to vote in d C for 149 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: things like federal federal federal government positions like the president 150 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: and vice president. Right. And when I said that won't 151 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: do that's what I was talking about, they uh quit 152 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: realized that you have a large city or you know, 153 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: a larger city now that is being controlled. You know, 154 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: there's a lot of political power with black people for 155 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: the first time, and this alarmed them. And so they said, 156 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: all right, we're going to replace this with a federally 157 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: appointed commission. And they did that really quickly, and it 158 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: was exactly for that reason. It was to read disenfranchise 159 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: black people. Yeah. There's a famous quote from a senator 160 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: named John Tyler Morgan who was describing it years later. 161 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: Why why they repealed that law and appointed that that 162 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: federal commission to rule the city? He said, And I'm 163 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: sorry for this, everybody. After the Negroes came into the district, 164 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: it became necessary to deny the right of suffrage entirely 165 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: to every human being, to burn down the barn to 166 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 1: get rid of the rats. The rats being the Negro 167 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: population and the barn being the government of the District 168 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: of Columbia. So what do you said? He said it 169 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: out loud, he did, and wrote it down like it's 170 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: in quote there. So he Um, what he's saying is 171 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: is that to keep black people from voting in d C, 172 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: they had to remove the voting rights of everybody. Um. 173 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: And that's what they did. And what's crazy is that's 174 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: how it has generally remained for hundred and fifty years 175 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: now for basically the same reason. Unfortunately. Yeah, it was 176 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: from the eighteen hundreds until nineteen seventy three, like I 177 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: was born and alive, when Washington, d C. Was still 178 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: a territory that had a governor and a ruling counsel 179 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: that the president appointed. Uh, they did have a single 180 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: delegate to Congress. Uh, and but that they were not 181 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: given a congressional vote. So there was a delegate that 182 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,839 Speaker 1: could do the things that delegates do. Uh, they can 183 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: even introduce articles, but they can't even vote on their 184 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: own articles. No, no, they can. They can beyond can 185 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: middies and all that, like almost everything that a House 186 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: member can do as congressional member could do, but just 187 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: not vote. It's a non voting delegate. And so in 188 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: that way, like, yes, you had somebody who could advocate 189 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: for d C, but the the people of d C 190 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 1: couldn't elect somebody who could go vote on their behalf 191 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: in the House of Representatives. And that's just the house. 192 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: They have nobody and never have had a single representative 193 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 1: in the Senate. So the only representation that DC has 194 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: has is a single non voting member of the House 195 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: of Representatives. And that's it. Yeah, like constituents without a 196 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: real say at the end of the day. It gets 197 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: even far far worse than that, you know, because I'm 198 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: sure people are like, well, come on, you know, how 199 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: much does that affect these people? Really? Um, Well, we're 200 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: gonna explain exactly how it affects him. But one of 201 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: the big ways, if it stands out to me, is 202 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: that when um, the Home Rule Act was passed in 203 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: ninety three that said, okay, you guys can elect your 204 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 1: own mayor and you an electoral own city council. Bully 205 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: for you. There's this thing that we have to to 206 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: tell you about. Though it's not all you know, great, 207 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: every single law that gets passed by you in your 208 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: town is subject to Congressional review. It doesn't actually become 209 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: law until Congress says that your laws that you came 210 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: up with in past yourselves are okay. And that means 211 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: that any congress person, any House member from anywhere in 212 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: the country, who is offended by one of your laws, 213 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: who takes an issue with one of your laws, can 214 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: strike that law down basically single handedly by attaching a 215 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: rider to your annual budget. And so if you don't 216 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: like that writer, well then you you can do without it, 217 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: but you have to do without the money that makes 218 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: up about your operating budget every year. That's the kind 219 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: of like a drag Toonian rule that Congress holds over 220 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: d C to this day. Yeah, and this is why. 221 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: And you know, unfortunately this does wait into politics, and 222 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,719 Speaker 1: we'll get into that more later. But like it is 223 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: kind of purely for partisan politics why d C is 224 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: not a state at this point. Uh. And it's the 225 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 1: ironies are pretty rich here in that. UM. Generally Republicans 226 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: do not want d C to become a state. UM. 227 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: But they're also the same party who decries government overreach 228 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 1: in states states rights. And I guess they'll say well, yeah, 229 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: but it's not a state. But it is certainly government 230 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: overreach when you have the local people of a terror 231 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: of a district voting there for their own laws that 232 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 1: their constituents want, but the federal government can override those. 233 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: And again you might say, like, what laws, who cares? What? 234 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: What's the problem? How are these people actually really harmed 235 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: with that? Well, there's actually like a lot of laws 236 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 1: that DC has passed that Congress has either dragged its 237 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: feet on or overturned that have actually harmed people. Um 238 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: d C had a needle exchange program to try to 239 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: slow the spread of HIV um and it was overturned 240 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: by Congress in and was not allowed to happen again 241 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: until two thousand seven. And it turns out that when 242 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: that was finally allowed to start up again, the HIV 243 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 1: infection rates in the city and by the way, d 244 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: C had one of the highest rates of HIV. After 245 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: its needle exchange program was was banned by Congress, um 246 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: it's HIV rates dropped by sev and an estimated hundred 247 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: and twenty people were prevented from being infective with HIV 248 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: in just two years after the needle program was allowed 249 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: to to start up again in two thousand seven. There's 250 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: also ones on abortion access COVID nineteen they got the 251 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: short end of the stick as far as funds go. Um. 252 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: And then there's another one where, uh, they tried to 253 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: repeal their sodomy law, which outlawed sex between men back 254 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: in one and Congress didn't let it actually go through 255 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: until there's just been a lot of stuff where basically, 256 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: if you have somebody in Congress who does and like 257 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: the idea of d C, the people of d C 258 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: having um legalized marijuana or being able to use taxpayer 259 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: money for abortions, like DC doesn't get to do that 260 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: because the writer gets attached to their budget and they 261 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: have to they have to take it. And that COVID 262 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: thing you were talking about, they um, every US state 263 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: got one point to five billion dollars in aid, but 264 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: Congress cut that in half for d C even though 265 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: they had Well, first of all, they're like, well, we're 266 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: bigger than Vermont, uh and like one one other state too, right, 267 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: And they're almost the same size as Alaska, UM, North Dakota, 268 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: South Dakota, and Delaware population wise. Yeah, and they were 269 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: I think had more confirmed COVID cases at the time 270 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: than nineteen other states, yet they got half the aid 271 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: just just because. Yes, so it's it's my numbing and 272 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: crazy and if you like, just put yourself in the 273 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: position of somebody who's a like interested in the political 274 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: process and lives in d C and the idea that 275 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: your city can pass a law huge like with huge support. 276 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: I think they're marijuana legalization, UM law passed with supportive voters, 277 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: and somebody from Arizona could come along and be like, Nope, 278 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: you're not doing that. That law doesn't go through. I'm 279 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: attaching that as a writer to your your annual budget. 280 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: How outrage inducing would that be? You know, how how 281 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: frustrating would it be at the very least. So, yes, 282 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: it actually is harmful um to the to the democracy 283 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: of Washington, d C. And their their self determination and 284 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: their ability for home rule. UM. The situation as it 285 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: stands right now, all right, well, let's take a break. 286 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: I think it's pretty clear where we stand here, and 287 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: we'll talk about the electoral College, just that little thing 288 00:16:46,840 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: right after this. Alright, So, uh, people have been allowed 289 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: to vote in Washington, d C. For elections for presidential 290 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: national elections for a long time now, uh. In nineteen 291 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: sixty one, they Radifford, that Radifford ratified the twenty three 292 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: Amendment to the Constitution that was specifically for d C 293 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: electoral College votes in the presidential election. That was when 294 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: they started to be able to vote for president vote 295 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: at all. That's right. So, so sixty sixty years is 296 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: how long the residents of DC have been able to vote. Yeah, 297 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: I mean when I said quite a while, it didn't 298 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: mean on the like the beginning of time scale, just 299 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: sort of oh, I didn't know if you're being facetious 300 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: or not. No, no no, no, I mean for many decades now, 301 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: but not Yeah, it's a guess. In that context, it's 302 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: it's an outrage for sure. And so that that that 303 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 1: twenty three amendment. That's the whole purpose of the twenty 304 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: three Amendment is to basically say, yes, DC can now 305 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 1: vote in presidential elections, and they can contribute electors, um, 306 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: but they can never have more electors than the number 307 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: of electors that the least populous state in the United 308 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: States has. It doesn't matter how many people DC could 309 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: swell to. It probably couldn't handle it, but it could 310 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: swell to the size of a two million population and 311 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. You get your three electors, right, and 312 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: it's always going to be three at the minimum because 313 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: you're a number of electors are based on the representation 314 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: you have in the in the House and the Senate, 315 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: so you always every state has two senators and every 316 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: state has at least one congress person, and d C 317 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: probably would always still have one congress person anyway, that's 318 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: how many Alaska has, in Vermont and Delaware like these are, 319 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: it's just based on population, so they will probably always 320 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: have three electors UM. And so those electors ever since 321 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 1: the I believe the nineteen sixty four election, the first 322 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 1: time DC ever contributed electors to the Electoral College UM, 323 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: those those electors almost invariably go towards the Democratic candidate, 324 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: right Like DC is one of the first states that 325 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: gets called on like those electoral maps during every presidential election, 326 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: and they go towards the Democrat. So if you've made 327 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: DC a state that's not gonna be a huge change, 328 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: like nothing's going to change, You're they're still going to 329 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: have their three electoral votes and they're probably going to 330 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: go towards the Democratic candidate for president. They're only going 331 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: to have one congress person, and that one congress person 332 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: will probably be a Democrat. But it's kind of a 333 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: drop on the bucket when you're talking about like four 334 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty or sixty I can't remember however many 335 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: are in the House right now. But when you talk 336 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: about the Senate, now we get to the problem, the 337 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: partisan political problem with why DC is not a state, 338 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: because d C is and has been for a very 339 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: long time, majority black as far as the population goes, 340 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: in as far as their voting base goes, traditionally, Black 341 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: voters lean Democrat. That's as far as voting history goes. 342 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: That's typically the case for the last several decades at least. 343 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: And if you have to new senators that just did 344 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 1: not exist before, the Senate would go from a hundred 345 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: senators to a hundred two senators, and those two senators 346 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: were almost guaranteed to be Democratic senators. Will imagine what 347 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: two extra Democrats senators would do right now if you 348 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: had two more Democrats in the Senate than what we 349 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: have right now. Now we've reached exactly now, we've reached 350 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: the reason why DC is not being allowed to be 351 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: a state and why it's a partisan political matter. Right, 352 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: and here is where you're going to get into. UM, 353 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: to me, some very disingenuous arguments. Uh, that are just 354 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: it would be so much easier if they just talked 355 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: about what the reality was instead of disingenuous arguments that 356 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: everybody knows isn't the real reason. Uh, it's just that 357 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: That's the stuff I hate about politics in this country 358 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: is no one's talking about the what the real situation is. UM. 359 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: You know, some people they'll try and call it out, 360 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: but they So there are sort of two avenues that 361 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: have been bandied about over the years. Is basically the 362 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: two two main paths for uh, making DC estate. And 363 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: one is what you what we need to do? Is 364 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: the idea is that what we need to do is 365 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: shrink what is called the federal district to only the 366 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: buildings that are under federal control, like the White House, 367 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: in the Capitol Building and you know kind of everything there. 368 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 1: D c all the all the government buildings basically and 369 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: just make it that. Um. But no, no one lives 370 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: is there except for you. No one lives in these buildings. 371 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: These are office buildings except for the White House where 372 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: the president and first family live and maybe some of 373 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: the staff So one of the disingenuous arguments that comes 374 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 1: up is, well, we can't have a situation where there's 375 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 1: only three or four people, like let's say, living in 376 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: these places that get this kind of representation. Yeah, that's 377 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: completely disingenuous. Sure, and especially if that that president is 378 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: an incumbent running for election again, then that incumbent president 379 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 1: would have three electoral votes to cast for themselves. Right. 380 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: So so on paper, you're like, oh, yeah, I could 381 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: see that being a problem. Let's just give up because 382 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 1: of the twenty three Amendment and that cork that it attributed, right, 383 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: But there are a lot of like workarounds too that 384 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: people are like, no, that's that's a ridiculous argument, right, 385 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: Like the president could in fact usually does vote uh 386 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: absentee from their own home state. That's that's one. Then, 387 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: so if no electoral votes are cast, or if no 388 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: votes are actually cast in the district of Columbia, then 389 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: you there's no electors to be given, right, so you'd 390 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: have those three electors that just never didn't go to anybody. 391 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 1: That's one. That's one solution. Um. Another one is to 392 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: just take those three electors and give them to whoever 393 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: wins the popular vote regardless. Yeah, and then a lot 394 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: of people are like, no, you just repeal the twenty 395 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: three amendment if you make to see a state like 396 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: it's a one two punch, like they that's just how 397 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 1: it has to be. That's right. And we'll talk more 398 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: about some some disingenuous arguments and deconstruct him as we go, 399 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: but that's the one that seems to be bandied about 400 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: most most commonly. Right. Yeah, and you know, we've talked 401 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: a little bit about why it matters to begin with. Um, 402 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: we mentioned at the very beginning their license plate taxation 403 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: without representation, and you know, that's a little bit of 404 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: a snide license plate, but it's very true. They pay 405 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: federal income tax and like really high federal income tax, 406 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: so much that they contribute more than they received from 407 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: the federal government. One thing I saw, Chuck is like 408 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 1: I was like, well, wait a minute, can DC like 409 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: even handle being a state? You know, how much does 410 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: it get from the federal government? And apparently it is not, 411 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: in any way, shape or form, the the state that 412 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: or the area that receives the most federal funding. I 413 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: guess that honor goes to Mississippi. Of Mississippi state and 414 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: local budget is made up of federal funds thirty percent 415 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 1: for Louisiana, New Mexico, and South Dakota, pent DC is 416 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 1: twent so just a quarter of all of the money 417 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: that DC uses to operate comes from the federal government. 418 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: The rest is from local taxes. And DC apparently has 419 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: a little bonnet, a little flower in its bonnet, and 420 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: that it typically has a balanced budget every year too. 421 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: Oh really, so we could do just fine without um 422 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: being a state. It would be like, yeah, we should 423 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: still get the federal funding because other states get federal 424 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: funding too. But even if you kept it at the 425 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: federal funding they get now, they would be doing just 426 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: fine as far as federal law is concerned. They are 427 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 1: treated as a state. Yeah, they're not a state with 428 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: representation like a state. We already talked about congressional representation. Uh. 429 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: They you know, they can't vote on bills. It's uh, 430 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: it's really weird that you can introduce a bill and 431 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: write the bill, but not vote in that bill. Yeah. 432 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: And because constitutional amendments are typically what's thrown around about 433 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: making DC a state or not, or has been up 434 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: until recently. Um, it's kind of ironic that D c 435 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to vote on its own ratification like 436 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: its own statehood, like, because it cannot vote on constitutional 437 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: amendments because it's not a state. So it would basically 438 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: DC has to rely on everybody else to go to 439 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 1: bat for it because it doesn't have self determination. That's right. 440 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: You want to take another break and then talk about 441 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: some of the arguments for and against. Yeah, okay, well 442 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: we're gonna do just that, everybody, George, all right, So 443 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: we've you know, made our position clear that most of 444 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: the arguments against statehood are and these aren't our arguments. 445 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, any honest person will tell 446 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: you that it is strictly partisan political issue. It's because 447 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: they don't want two more Democratic senators in there. They 448 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: just don't. And um, you know, uh, that's their right 449 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: to fight against that, I guess, uh, and they and 450 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: they do. But it's disingenuous and it's an anti social 451 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: sentiment like there how somebody or some group of people 452 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: are expected to vote has like nothing to do with 453 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: whether they should have the right to vote or not. 454 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: You can't just keep people from voting because you don't 455 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: like the way they're going to vote. That is an 456 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:17,479 Speaker 1: anti social act anti democratic. Yeah, it's both, and you did. 457 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: That's exactly what's going on right now. That is that's it. 458 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: They boil it down, I mean, get mad at us, 459 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: just like you did our gerrymandering episode or our voter 460 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: suppression episode. It's still the case. That's just how it 461 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: is right now. It's one of those political fictions that 462 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: it's anything but that. That's right. Um. The one of 463 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: the arguments is that it's unconstitutional to begin with. That's 464 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: why you said that. Up until recently, most of the 465 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: attempts to make DC a state have tried to come 466 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: via constitutional amendments. And here's the thing though, like there's 467 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: nothing specifically prohibiting d C from becoming a state in 468 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: the constitution. No, you had mentioned that, like some some 469 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 1: people are like, let's shrink d C the capital down 470 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: to just the federal buildings. Basically as ed who helps 471 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: us out with this one? UM puts it like tourists 472 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: d C, right, and that everything else commercial and residential 473 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: DC that would become the state and then that federal 474 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: district would become the capital. And people are like no, no no, no, 475 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: you can't do that. There's like a size requirement in 476 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: the in the Constitution can't change something like that. And 477 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: and people are saying, well, actually, there is a size requirement. 478 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: It's a maximum, not a minimum. It doesn't say how 479 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: small it can be, it says how big it can be. 480 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: It can't be more than ten miles square. Yeah, I 481 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: think ten square mouths sare mouth So yes, you totally 482 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: could shrink it. So just shut down that argument. But 483 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: but one more thing, chuck about that. One of the 484 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: reasons why they have abandoned a constitutional amendment making DC 485 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: estate is twofold one. That's a huge hurdle to jump over. 486 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 1: I think you have to have two thirds of the 487 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: state to ratify account. So first of all, you have 488 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: to get it through both houses of Congress, which is 489 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: an impossibility to begin with. And then you have to 490 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: have two thirds of the state, many of which are 491 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: controlled by Republican legislatures, to ratify that amendment to make 492 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: DC a state. So it's just too huge of uh 493 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,959 Speaker 1: an obstacle to this amount. But also it's really disingenuous 494 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: to require a constitutional amendment to make DC estate because 495 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: since the Constitution itself was ratified in not a single 496 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: state that was admitted into the Union from that time 497 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: had had was was admitted through a constitutional amendment. There 498 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: are no constitutional amendments that that have admitted states. They've 499 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: all come in through congressional decree instead. That's right, and 500 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: well we'll talk about that in just a second more detail. 501 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: But another one of the paths that has been bandied 502 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: about a little bit is um well, not past the 503 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: statehood but passed to making it not a state and 504 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: ensuring it never become the state, saying well, why don't 505 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: we just make it part of Virginia or Maryland like 506 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: it used to be. Give it back to them and 507 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: nobody you know, you know who doesn't want that, d C, 508 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: Virginia and Maryland. Yeah, none of them want it. Maryland 509 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: doesn't want to assume those seven hundred thousand people. Virginia 510 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: doesn't want it. DC doesn't want to be a part 511 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: of either one of those. Like, the only people that 512 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: want that are are frankly Republicans who don't want it 513 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: to become state. Yes, because it might add a few 514 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: more electoral votes to Maryland or Virginia, but it would 515 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: not add a single extra senator. You can't have more 516 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: than two senators no matter what your population size. Again 517 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: the crux to the matter. Um. Another one is that 518 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: the idea that the city can't take care of that 519 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: federal property. And I don't think anybody who's a pro 520 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: statehood advocate says, oh yeah, yeah they can, that's just 521 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: not true. But they say, well, we wouldn't be taking 522 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: care of most of that property. It would be shrunk 523 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: down to be the capital, so it'd still be the 524 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: federal government's jurisdiction. People said, well, there's other federal buildings 525 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: outside of this little tourist area. How what are you 526 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: gonna do about those? And d C says, do you 527 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: know how many states and cities have federal buildings in 528 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: them that the state in the city takes care of 529 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: in conjunction with the federal government and with funding from 530 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: the federal government. Totally not a problem. I think disingenuinuity 531 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: is that a word? It is now, Buddy, is one 532 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: of my least favorite things to witness. It is because 533 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: it's just it's just dishonest. It's just a bunch of garbage, 534 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: like acting a certain like just call it what it is. 535 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: Is so frustrating, it's almost almost disingenuous. Um. So we 536 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier that no other state needed a Congressional 537 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: or i'm sorry, a constitutional amendment to become a state. Um, 538 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: the Tennessee model is sort of where DC has tried 539 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: to go more recently. The Tennessee Plan in se when 540 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: Tennessee as an a state yet, and they said, you 541 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: know what, we're tired of waiting around for Congress to 542 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: do anything about it. So we're gonna hold our own referendum. 543 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: We're gonna vote to become a state. And we passed it, 544 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: and then we're gonna write and approve our own state 545 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: constitution and how we're going to administer that and kind 546 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: of this is how we would do things. And they 547 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: did that, and then Congress is sort of like everyone 548 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: sort of sitting sitting there twiddling their thumbs staring at 549 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: Congress like we're all ready to go. Just unlocked the 550 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: door and we could become a state. And it worked, 551 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: and it also worked in Michigan, Iowa, California, Oregon, Kansas 552 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: and Alaska and so d C recently I think about 553 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: five years ago, said maybe let's try this Tennessee plan 554 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: forget constitutional amendments, let's just have a referendum. And it 555 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: passed by and they said great, let's draft a constitution. 556 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: And they did that and it was approved, and they said, 557 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: the mayor is going to become the governor's city council 558 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: will become the legislature, and here we go, Congress, let's 559 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: get this done. We're ready to roll. Yeah. And I 560 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: So this was in two thousand and sixteen that that 561 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: referendum passed and they started to adopt the Tennessee Plan. 562 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: And what sucks, Chuck, is that means that they were 563 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: distracted by that idea that they had to become a 564 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: state through constitutional amendment for decades, like they if they 565 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: had taken up this Tennessee Plan decades ago, who knows 566 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: where they would be now. They might be a state 567 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: by now. It's just so it's just it's really sad 568 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: to think like that that that work, that boondogg will work, 569 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: that they needed for years. Yeah, basically, so that's why 570 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, we might actually see it's 571 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: possible we could see d C a state. Um, because 572 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: this referendum and the plan that they followed where they 573 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: basically made themselves an instant state, like just ad Congress 574 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: kind of thing. Um. It came in just the last 575 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: five years. So for the first time ever in the 576 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: history of the District of Columbia, UM, a bill passed 577 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: that says DC is a state. Please go ahead and 578 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: m past this bill Senate, it past the House. Everything 579 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: else has been like, we're the House of Representatives and 580 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: we think DC should be a state, not a It's 581 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: just a like a resolution and support of DC being 582 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: a state. It's not an actual law. This is an 583 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: actual law that passed the House of Representatives. Of course, 584 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: it died in the Senate because, um, it was while 585 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell was a majority leader and he didn't even 586 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: let it come up for a vote. I I can't 587 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,280 Speaker 1: believe it even made it onto his desk before catching fire. 588 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: But but the fact is that it did pass the 589 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: House at least once. And that is brand new. That 590 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: is definitely new. Yeah, it's amazing. And uh, it's amazing 591 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: that we have a situation in our on our modern 592 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: day government where one person can say no, we're not 593 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: gonna vote on this two party system does not work. 594 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: It's broken, it doesn't work. Yeah, it was reintroduced in 595 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,919 Speaker 1: one just this year past the House again. UM. Well, 596 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: sadly in this case, it's probably not gonna happen because 597 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: Democrats can't agree on anything within their own portable irony 598 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: of the whole thing in it. Yes, it really is. 599 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: You mentioned two people earlier, probably would be the same 600 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: two people. That's what happen. Yeah. The only other question 601 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 1: mark is Mark Kelly no Angus King from Maine, and 602 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 1: he may be retired now, but yes, it is. From 603 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 1: what I saw, it would come down to Kristen Cinema 604 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: and Joe Manchin and UM both have not supported previous 605 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: like DC statehood stuff before. Other people who have not 606 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: actually didn't actually co sponsor that bill in the Senate, 607 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: UM have supported other stuff, so they would be expected 608 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 1: to vote yes. So it could come down to two 609 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: people again, both of whom Democrats, that would keep d 610 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: C from becoming a state. Now it's pretty interesting stuff. 611 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: What would uh different names bandied about over the years 612 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: that it did become a state. I knew that New 613 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: Columbia was what they were gonna call it for a 614 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 1: long time, but then you know, uh, in more recent years, 615 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: Christopher Columbus has become less favorable in in the eyes 616 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 1: of history, so they're saying maybe New Columbia is not 617 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: the right the right name after all. No, and I 618 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: didn't know this, but they they are. They plan as 619 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: part of that referendum, um draft constitution that was passed, Uh, 620 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: they would change the name. They would keep it as 621 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: Washington d C, but d C would stand for Douglas Commonwealth, 622 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: after Frederick Douglas, the abolitionist former. S I like it 623 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: in that neat yeah, d C. You know, I think 624 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 1: people they go to towards d C, which is a 625 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 1: lot of fun. We both done that that thing a 626 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: lot of times. Um, it is that. But d C 627 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,359 Speaker 1: is a rich city with a rich history, uh in 628 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: and of itself, a rich history of music and culture 629 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: and black culture and great food and like there's a 630 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 1: there's a lot to d C besides the mall area. 631 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 1: Um And every time I go there, I try to 632 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: check out different areas and do different things, and uh, 633 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 1: it's it's awesome. We have a great, great time when 634 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 1: we do live shows in d C. It's one of 635 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: my favorite places. When we go to uh what is 636 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 1: it Lincoln and they give us us Lincoln logs. The pastry, 637 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: where did those come from? What do you mean where 638 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 1: they come from? What's what's the bakery that does those? 639 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: Do you know, I don't know. I think it's I 640 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: don't always just sitting there backstage and they're so delicious 641 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: and we always eat like ten each of them. They're 642 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: they're like Swiss cake rolls, but like the bakery version 643 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: of a Swiss cake roll. Yeah. So before we go, Chuck, 644 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: I feel like we have to talk about how some 645 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: recent events like really kind of have brought the idea 646 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 1: of DC not being a state to the four um 647 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 1: both of which occurred in actually, oh, like the storming 648 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: of the capital. That's that's one of them for sure. Yeah, 649 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 1: and I think that kind of harkens back to the 650 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,839 Speaker 1: mutiny of seventeen eighty three and that uh there there 651 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: are some people who think it could it would have 652 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,879 Speaker 1: gone down a lot differently if um, we had been able, 653 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 1: if if the government had been able to call on 654 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: the state national Guard like super quickly. Yeah, because the 655 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 1: national Guard, the d C National Guard is not under 656 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: control of d C, just like any other states national 657 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 1: guard would be under the state's control, which is why 658 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: that that's what Congress wanted it to be, Like, they 659 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 1: wanted DC's National Guard to be under control of the 660 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,799 Speaker 1: federal government. Because of that that Mutiny of seventeen eighty three, 661 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:43,280 Speaker 1: But the exact opposite thing happened on January six, because 662 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 1: d C and the Capital wanted the d C National 663 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 1: Guard and definitely would have activated them and brought him 664 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: out hours before, but the federal government at the time 665 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: kept them from doing that because they were under federal control. 666 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: So that was one that really just kind of pointed out, like, oh, well, 667 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,839 Speaker 1: this is harmful, this is not good. UM. The other 668 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 1: way that it was pointed out was kind of the 669 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,280 Speaker 1: opposite of that, where during the Black Lives Matter protests 670 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 1: in the summer of after the murder of George Floyd 671 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 1: UM and people took to the streets in d C. 672 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: They were um, they were basically beating out of the streets, 673 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: harassed out of the streets, used tear gas on um 674 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 1: by the DC National Guard that was deployed by the 675 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,319 Speaker 1: federal government. Whereas you can pretty much guess that if 676 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,239 Speaker 1: Muriel Bowser had been the governor of the state of 677 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,840 Speaker 1: DC rather than just the mayor and had the power 678 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,840 Speaker 1: over the National Guard, those National Guard troops would not 679 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,879 Speaker 1: have been deployed against those protesters. So both of those 680 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 1: events just in within months of one another, um, so 681 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 1: the protests were in the insurrection was in the beginning 682 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:55,959 Speaker 1: of one. Yeah, that was this year. It's nuts, I think, really, 683 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,359 Speaker 1: I thought seems longer. This year has been a long 684 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 1: decade him. But both of those, both of those events 685 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: have pointed out like because of that mutiny of three, 686 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: those things were able to happen the way that they did. 687 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 1: Really really interesting. Yeah it is so now you guys 688 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 1: know DC statehood. You make up your own mind about it. 689 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 1: But them's the facts, just the facts. And since I 690 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,440 Speaker 1: said them's the facts, it's time of course everybody for 691 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 1: listener mail. I'm gonna call this baby shout out. You 692 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,400 Speaker 1: don't do a lot of shout outs, but this is 693 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 1: kind of special, I think, because this is a future 694 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,759 Speaker 1: shout out. I've been a long time listener and in 695 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 1: January I had a baby. Who is your youngest listener. 696 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 1: While I was pregnant, I worked as an assistant manager 697 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: local horse boarding facility near Augusta, Georgia, And every morning 698 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,120 Speaker 1: when I fed the horses, I put my phone uh 699 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,279 Speaker 1: in my phone belt and turned on stuff. You should know, 700 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: babies can hear nearby sounds in the womb. So Clara 701 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 1: has been listening as long as she has been able 702 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,959 Speaker 1: to hear. Uh. Now we listen to stuff you should 703 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 1: know during our afternoon walks together. If an episode finishes 704 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,399 Speaker 1: before it's over, Clara will sign and ask for more. 705 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: You know that little toddler sign like which is the best? 706 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 1: I know? It's adorable. I didn't realize it was the thing. 707 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: And then one of you's best friends, Um taught her kids, 708 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, that's really cool. Yeah. We 709 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 1: did some basic stuff. We didn't get too involved, but 710 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 1: there was a little bit of that early on. Man, 711 00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,759 Speaker 1: kids are so neat these days. They're so neat. Uh 712 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 1: not like us. We were just dummies. They're like, here, 713 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,879 Speaker 1: here's oatmeal and a television we've played with the stick 714 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 1: in a wheel. Back to the mail. I would love 715 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 1: for her to have a shout out on an episode, 716 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,839 Speaker 1: so one day we can go back and listen to 717 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:45,280 Speaker 1: her episode. So, uh, Clara, your episode is on DC Statehood. 718 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,240 Speaker 1: Maybe things will be different then? Yeah, wouldn't that be something? 719 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: That would be something? But this is from Karas Texador 720 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 1: and she just says, thanks for all we do. We 721 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,560 Speaker 1: really helped build the long arms of COVID shutdown at 722 00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,400 Speaker 1: home with an infant and for helping making learning new 723 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: things fun. That is Carris Texadore. Great name. That's awesome. 724 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 1: Thanks Kris, definitely a great name. You sound like the 725 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,880 Speaker 1: last Starfighter or something that's right. And hello little Carla. 726 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 1: I hope you keep listening in. Uh, I hope by 727 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 1: the time your twenty we're still doing this show. No, 728 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:21,919 Speaker 1: maybe not by then recently retired. Yeah, I will be seventy. Yeah, yeah, 729 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,440 Speaker 1: I guess that's right. Yeah. So yeah, thank you very 730 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: much for writing in. Carris and Carla. Best wishes to 731 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 1: you on a fantastic life. And if you want to 732 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,879 Speaker 1: get in touch with this, like Harris and Carla did, 733 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 1: you can send us an email to Stuff podcast at 734 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:43,759 Speaker 1: iHeart radio dot com. Stuff you Should Know is a 735 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: production of iHeart Radio. For more podcasts my heart Radio, 736 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,480 Speaker 1: visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 737 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:51,840 Speaker 1: listen to your favorite shows.