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Speaker 1: to be q a fdad.
Speaker 2: Be a q a a.
Speaker 1: Hey, Manja, how are you girl?
Speaker 3: I'm doing swell, doing well.
Speaker 2: Howver you Sunshine, I'm doing good because my curls are
Speaker 2: keeping up.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, look at my curls.
Speaker 2: You know I did that.
Speaker 3: They look amazing.
Speaker 2: I know. I was really shocked because last time I
Speaker 2: did the pipe cleaner girls for the girls with locks,
Speaker 2: I did the pipe cleaner curls, but I did them well,
Speaker 2: I didn't do them. Leela, who does my makeup in Jersey,
Speaker 2: she did the bigger ones and the curls dropped pretty quickly,
Speaker 2: and this time she did much small, like half the size,
Speaker 2: and there's it's still curly.
Speaker 3: I said, yeah, how long has it been?
Speaker 2: Honestly, it's been like I took them out, like probably
Speaker 2: a week ago, and there's still curly.
Speaker 1: I'm like, look at me.
Speaker 3: I knowledge it because it probably took a lot of
Speaker 3: time too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It did take would take maybe about an hour
Speaker 2: for her to like do all the curls. Yeah okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: so and then I wore them for a.
Speaker 3: Few days and bouncy and fun.
Speaker 2: Thank you now very summertime. So we have some today.
Speaker 2: We're gonna do money question rules.
Speaker 3: Is that so I'm excited? Yeah, let's go. We got
Speaker 3: some interesting well yeah, I can't wait for number two,
Speaker 3: but number one. All right, let's start with number Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Oh I'm so excited. Well, first, since we're doing the disclaimer,
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Speaker 3: With that out of the way, let's read our first
Speaker 3: read our first listener question. All right, this one comes
Speaker 3: from someone who wants to be called recent widow. She says,
Speaker 3: I'm a recent widow and I'm wondering if I should
Speaker 3: cash out my husband's retirement accounts and manage them myself,
Speaker 3: just in case I need cash in the future. I'm
Speaker 3: fifty three employed with a six figure salary. I don't
Speaker 3: have any other debt other than my home, and when
Speaker 3: I retire at sixty three or sixty eight, I'll get
Speaker 3: my same salary for life. Also, please let me know
Speaker 3: if there are any groups with Tiffany for widows. Thank
Speaker 3: you widow.
Speaker 2: Well, first recent widow, I want to say, I am
Speaker 2: so sorry for your loss. Yeah, because I mean, obviously
Speaker 2: I have no firsthand and I don't know how recent.
Speaker 2: But I will say that one of the best piece
Speaker 2: of advice that my certified financial planner gave me, Angulie,
Speaker 2: was to not make any major choices or changes within
Speaker 2: a year at least of your love one passing away,
Speaker 2: unless it's dire, meaning like I have to make this
Speaker 2: choice because I have to save the house, or I
Speaker 2: have to make the choice because we have to feed
Speaker 2: the kids, you know. But if it's not a decision
Speaker 2: that doesn't have to be made to actually give yourself
Speaker 2: at least six months and that's cutting it, if not
Speaker 2: a year or more. And here's why you are not yourself.
Speaker 2: I thought I was myself. I look back, I was
Speaker 2: a zombie. I was not myself. And at first, you know,
Speaker 2: when you lose some when so close to you, you
Speaker 2: know that you're not yourself, But then you enter into
Speaker 2: this fake yourself space and you're like, no, this is
Speaker 2: how I am. Remember, Mandy, I was like, I think
Speaker 2: I want to quit Bajanista and you were like you forget?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you sure about that?
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I'm absolutely certain. I don't love
Speaker 2: it anymore. I don't want to do it. I want
Speaker 2: to close my businesses down. I just want to walk
Speaker 2: for a living and read books. And Mandy was like, okay,
Speaker 2: because that's how I truly thought that, That's how I
Speaker 2: was feeling, but I didn't realize I was still deep
Speaker 2: in the throes of grief because it wasn't as sharp
Speaker 2: as it happened two three months ago, you know. And
Speaker 2: so when greef Dulln's it's still just as strong, it's
Speaker 2: just not as sharp. So it tricked me into believing
Speaker 2: this is the new Tiffany. And so had I made
Speaker 2: those choices, which I almost tried to do, just closing
Speaker 2: everything down, I would have regretted it because I was
Speaker 2: really not myself and you will never be where you
Speaker 2: were before. But it took me about a year and
Speaker 2: a half before I came out of the larger fog
Speaker 2: of it all, and so I'm thankful. I mean, I
Speaker 2: made a lot of choices. Some of them I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe I should wait. But I just wanted just to
Speaker 2: caution you that unless you're making a choice because it's
Speaker 2: for your own like financial safety, which it does not
Speaker 2: sound like. You know, you're making six figures, you know
Speaker 2: that even in retirement, you'll be fine. That I would
Speaker 2: not touch his retirement accounts. Ideally, I would want to
Speaker 2: work with a certified financial planner to kind of like
Speaker 2: get what's inside of you out to say, you know, like, huh,
Speaker 2: you know, what is it that you're wanting, Like what's
Speaker 2: the desired outcome? You don't have to let them manage
Speaker 2: your money, certainly, but just to like decide what that
Speaker 2: kind of looks like. But even that can wait.
Speaker 1: Honestly, it can wait.
Speaker 2: You know that my first order business for you, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you have a therapist, but I
Speaker 2: recommend therapy to everyone, but especially if you just lost someone,
Speaker 2: a therapist that specializes in trauma, because to lose someone
Speaker 2: is traumatic. So I recommend that, I recommend taking some time.
Speaker 2: I don't know how how much time away you can
Speaker 2: get from your job, but I recommend doing that and
Speaker 2: just getting through therapy getting clear. I'm just like, like,
Speaker 2: what is the second half of your life? Like what
Speaker 2: direction do you kind of want to go in? Because
Speaker 2: the money is really just a tool to help assist
Speaker 2: you in that, it's not the thing itself. And I
Speaker 2: know that if you were like me, I wanted to
Speaker 2: stay busy, so like kind of like, oh, this acount
Speaker 2: of that cant of that feels like I'm in motion,
Speaker 2: so I don't have to sit still and let the
Speaker 2: grief kind of seep in. But I don't want you
Speaker 2: to touch that money if you don't need to, at
Speaker 2: least for some time, you know, and not without guidance,
Speaker 2: you know, so we know that the grief is not
Speaker 2: driving all the decisions. I didn't. I didn't join any
Speaker 2: widow like groups. I certainly you know when when your
Speaker 2: husband passes away and people find out, widows tend to
Speaker 2: find you. And it was just like this beautiful sad
Speaker 2: club to be a part of. And so many people
Speaker 2: reached out to me. I mean I created friends as
Speaker 2: a result, like women who I just never met before,
Speaker 2: but they would hit me on social media and just say,
Speaker 2: my husband passed away two a year ago, if you
Speaker 2: ever want to talk, And I'd be like yes, because
Speaker 2: no one understands but someone else who's been through that.
Speaker 2: It's like if you lost a child or lost her
Speaker 2: no one even if someone's lost their mom or it's
Speaker 2: not the same. I don't know what it is for
Speaker 2: a woman to lose her child, you know, like that
Speaker 2: she needs to talk to a woman that's lost their child.
Speaker 2: I don't know what is for a woman to lose
Speaker 2: her sibling, thank god, not yet, and so she needs
Speaker 2: to talk to someone who, so you need to talk
Speaker 2: to other widows. Mandy gave me such an amazing book.
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know if you know that book was
Speaker 2: like it was perfect. It was I think if you
Speaker 2: ever read I read it like within a day of
Speaker 2: you giving a that I never told.
Speaker 3: You that, but you're never told me. I was so
Speaker 3: worried I did the stupid thing and I was like,
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: No, it was perfect because it was a day. I
Speaker 2: thought that was a dark thing. No, it was the best,
Speaker 2: honestly because one so Mandy gave this book called Black Widow.
Speaker 1: I actually found her online friend. I said her friend
Speaker 1: requested and.
Speaker 2: Not accepted because obviously I'm crazy, but like, but it
Speaker 2: was so and I should have told you that, Mandy.
Speaker 2: It was. It was because it's.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I know.
Speaker 2: It was this amazing book called Black Widow of a
Speaker 2: woman who lost her husband. She's a black woman, and
Speaker 2: it was funny, it was sad, all.
Speaker 1: The things I was feeling.
Speaker 2: I was like, yes, yeah, it was like everything I
Speaker 2: was feeling, I could read it in this book and
Speaker 2: I listened to it, which is really helpful. I mean,
Speaker 2: if you're a reader, but I'm a reader as well,
Speaker 2: but I listened to it and you can hear the
Speaker 2: inflection in her voice. It was.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It was the first book I read after draw Passing Away,
Speaker 2: and it hit exactly where I needed to hit. And
Speaker 2: so in the book though, she mentions, oh, a camp.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's called Camp Widow or something,
Speaker 2: and I considered that, but she mentions it in the
Speaker 2: book and if I remember, let me see if I
Speaker 2: can it is it Camp Widdow. But she mentions it
Speaker 2: that she went, and I looked into it, and I
Speaker 2: considered like going. I never ended up doing it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it's Camp Widow. So campwidow dot Org at
Speaker 2: it now and it helps like widows build connections and
Speaker 2: it just looked like a really loving, kind place. So
Speaker 2: you know, I didn't end up doing that, but I
Speaker 2: did end up like just reinforcing the community that I
Speaker 2: already had. So that's what I would share. Don't make
Speaker 2: any big money choices unless you have to get a
Speaker 2: financial advisor for sure. For sure, for sure, and if
Speaker 2: you're interested, Camp Brittles sound like an amazing place. And
Speaker 2: read Black Widow. That was a really good book.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, obviously I can't speak to what you're
Speaker 3: going through. But just to draw the connection to what
Speaker 3: we were speaking about in our episode earlier this week
Speaker 3: with Rachel Rogers, is about when you say the thing
Speaker 3: out loud, that is how you get the help that
Speaker 3: you need. And maybe like first of all, you saying
Speaker 3: it to us, where Tiffany's also obviously giving you what
Speaker 3: you need, which is some guidance, but to find and
Speaker 3: for those for the when you said the widows will
Speaker 3: find you, I just I started to imagine those luna moths,
Speaker 3: beautiful lunamv and just like fluttering yes to find you
Speaker 3: and kind of like landing on your shoulder. But I
Speaker 3: think they can't find you unless you speak out and say, hey,
Speaker 3: I would like to find this community. So I feel like,
Speaker 3: even for you, like with Tiffany's saying on the show,
Speaker 3: but where can you let other people know who do
Speaker 3: know you, how they can find you? You know, Like
Speaker 3: I would have loved if you had told us your
Speaker 3: Instagram handle or your email or something so that we
Speaker 3: can connect you or get or tell people so they
Speaker 3: can find you. But yeah, I'm just I'm glad that
Speaker 3: you felt safe to come here and share your experience,
Speaker 3: but I'm it sounds like you were sort of similar
Speaker 3: to Tiffany in a way where it's like, because of
Speaker 3: the choices that you made financially to set yourself up
Speaker 3: to be taken care of, you know, you didn't expect
Speaker 3: your spouse or your partner to sort of like be
Speaker 3: that support for you. You're not sending us a message
Speaker 3: of desperation like I have nothing now. You should feel
Speaker 3: so proud and you know, so incredible, And I think
Speaker 3: this is just a beautiful way, a beautiful story to
Speaker 3: share in a beautiful inspiration for so many of us
Speaker 3: to create that safety net for ourselves because you do
Speaker 3: never know what will happen in this life.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, if you feel comfortable sharing a place where
Speaker 2: people can reach out to you, certain please jump back
Speaker 2: right in the inbox and we'd love to do that.
Speaker 2: And if you don't, that's okay too. Like I said,
Speaker 2: look into Camp Riddle, get that book, Black Widow. I
Speaker 2: read a lot of Ryan Holiday books about stoicism. The
Speaker 2: obstacle is the way, just like I just was seeking
Speaker 2: understanding also to one lesson that helped me. This is
Speaker 2: external to the financial component. I don't know what your
Speaker 2: religious or spiritual beliefs are, but I couldn't get over
Speaker 2: what happens like to just go black. I mean, I identify
Speaker 2: as Christian, but it's Mike Tyson has this quote that
Speaker 2: says everybody has a plan until they get punched in
Speaker 2: the face, you know. So you're like, oh, I'm Christian
Speaker 2: until you lose your husband and you're like, what happened? Heaven?
Speaker 2: What is that even? You know? So I thought myself
Speaker 2: spire and what helped me significantly, significantly deal with the
Speaker 2: what happens after is I followed a lot of hospice
Speaker 2: nurses that talked about when people transitioned, and I watched
Speaker 2: a lot of near death experience videos of people who
Speaker 2: transition for minutes, you know, like twenty minutes, ten minutes,
Speaker 2: five minutes, and it just helped to give me some solace,
Speaker 2: you know that it's not just black. I mean when
Speaker 2: I tell you, I watched them obsessively. So there's a
Speaker 2: woman named nurse Julie on Instagram. She's a hospice nurse.
Speaker 2: So I think hospice nurse Julie and the way she
Speaker 2: talks about their transition and what people share, and it's
Speaker 2: just really beautiful and it gave me comfort but then also,
Speaker 2: like I said, the near death experience with people who
Speaker 2: actually did pass away for a number of minutes and
Speaker 2: sharing their unrelated but strikingly similar experiences of what it
Speaker 2: was like to not be here for some moments. And
Speaker 2: so it gave me a lot of peace for me.
Speaker 2: And so maybe you know, I don't know your relationship
Speaker 2: with your husband or whatever, but if you're looking for
Speaker 2: some sort of like what happens next kind of piece,
Speaker 2: that helped me out a lot, a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, well.
Speaker 3: Well I'm really glad you sent that question until I
Speaker 3: learned some stuff about you that I didn't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for that book.
Speaker 2: Man. I know it was a crazy I don't don't know.
Speaker 2: I didn't tell you just because obviously I was just spiraling.
Speaker 3: It's fine. I was fine not.
Speaker 2: Knowing, but no, it was.
Speaker 3: It was he's trying to be the helpful friend after
Speaker 3: someone goes through a tragic you could never comprehend. I
Speaker 3: feel you.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes it was. Yeah, thank you so much. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was an amazing book. So hey, b a fan,
Speaker 2: We're gonna take a quick break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 2: So this is from Nelly from ig Hi Mandy hope
Speaker 2: you well, girl, I'm here too, but that's okay because.
Speaker 3: We will stop. Everyone's always like, hey tell me and
Speaker 3: that girl, I.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't have one because you know best that this is
Speaker 2: a mandy question. But either way, hey girl, I'm just saying, ha, yeah, question.
Speaker 2: I'm looking to interview very soon for a new opportunity
Speaker 2: at my current company, different department. It would be a
Speaker 2: promotion and I have most of the required skills plus
Speaker 2: finish my masters in twenty twenty one. Go ahead, girl,
Speaker 2: How can I go about getting the absolute max amount
Speaker 2: of money? Since they that have access to my salary history? FYI,
Speaker 2: the range is up to one hundred and fifty six
Speaker 2: K and I'm at one twenty three currently. They require
Speaker 2: a salary expectation entry. When I applied, I said one
Speaker 2: fifty just in case they negotiated me down. Let me
Speaker 2: know if you have any tips. Loving everything you're doing, thanks, Nelly.
Speaker 1: This is a good question.
Speaker 3: What do I want to start saying? Hot and hair?
Speaker 3: I don't know why.
Speaker 2: No, let's do it again. Hot in here, so make
Speaker 2: sure you get all your coins?
Speaker 3: Okay, right, we negotiate a and that doesn't work.
Speaker 2: That's around.
Speaker 3: Okay, this is a book delete that anyway. Listen, Nellie.
Speaker 3: First of all, congratulations, because I feel like this is
Speaker 3: a really exciting opportunity and to work at a company
Speaker 3: where you can apply to another department, it's awesome. And
Speaker 3: I feel like when people think about quitting a role
Speaker 3: for a new opportunity, you sometimes think like you have
Speaker 3: to go outside the company. But I'm a huge fan
Speaker 3: of pivoting in place, Like that's what I call it.
Speaker 3: When you find a growth opportunity right where you are
Speaker 3: and your mindset is really important here and this is
Speaker 3: a thing where you know what you make and you're
Speaker 3: kind of letting that kind of get to you a
Speaker 3: little bit. I would treat this new department like another company.
Speaker 3: So anything that you would do if you were interviewing
Speaker 3: for an outside company, I would do, you know, I
Speaker 3: would go in there strong and establish, you know, your
Speaker 3: credentials and how excited you are for the opportunity. You've
Speaker 3: already mentioned a salary at least it was a sort
Speaker 3: of the top of the range. You mentioned one fifty.
Speaker 3: I typically would have said, you know, put you know competitive,
Speaker 3: or put zero or put one dollar whatever it is
Speaker 3: in the field, so that you don't have to necessarily
Speaker 3: name a number. But I think that you should go
Speaker 3: in there definitely expecting to get paid what the value
Speaker 3: of the job is, especially if it is a promotion.
Speaker 3: You have most of the skills, like you said, and
Speaker 3: you now have a master's degree. So if you are
Speaker 3: thinking about the salary that you have now holding you back,
Speaker 3: this is a whole different job. You know, it's a
Speaker 3: step up, probably more responsibility. What may help you feel
Speaker 3: more confident going in and asking for your value is
Speaker 3: to find comparable roles at comparable companies, as are the
Speaker 3: two comps. You want to have similar company and a
Speaker 3: similar role, and see what types of salaries they're offering
Speaker 3: as well, and then again think of them as an
Speaker 3: outside employer who doesn't necessarily know your current salary, and
Speaker 3: negotiate from that space. It's not about what you're earning now,
Speaker 3: it's about the market value. Excuse me, It's about the
Speaker 3: market value of a candidate for this specific role that
Speaker 3: you're applying for. So don't go in there can one
Speaker 3: twenty three vibes think one fifty six, Okay, think hi,
Speaker 3: And you also know that you're not probably just making
Speaker 3: one twenty three. You also have to factor in your
Speaker 3: annual bonus on top of that, you know, so don't
Speaker 3: forget that you can still negotiate those types of things
Speaker 3: like your annual bonus amount. If they offer you equity
Speaker 3: at your company, you should still feel confident negotiating equity
Speaker 3: when you get to that point, Like you've just applied
Speaker 3: now and you put in your salary expectation, which is cool. Now,
Speaker 3: the key is everything that's going to happen before the negotiation,
Speaker 3: which is you really want to make them excited to
Speaker 3: hire you. You already know the company, but what other
Speaker 3: strengths do you bring to the table, Like how well
Speaker 3: do you understand the challenges the pain points of the
Speaker 3: team that you're joining. Do you have any connections on
Speaker 3: that team already that you can build on those relationships.
Speaker 3: You want them to think of you as a no brainer,
Speaker 3: you know, so that by the time you get to
Speaker 3: the negotiation or the offer stage, they want you so
Speaker 3: bad that when you come back to them and like, hey,
Speaker 3: one forty is cute, but what about one fifty six,
Speaker 3: that they're like, Okay, we really want Nelly, you know,
Speaker 3: so let's make this happen. That's essential for you at
Speaker 3: this point. But before you get there. You got to
Speaker 3: get your mindset right around. This is a whole different employer,
Speaker 3: even though it's with the same company, whole different team.
Speaker 3: You're not in the same role that you have now,
Speaker 3: You're not making one twenty three in this new role.
Speaker 3: It's a whole different ballgame. So start to think that
Speaker 3: way and don't get in your own way.
Speaker 2: I like that, And I'm just like as someone who
Speaker 2: employees and oftentimes typically will promote promote from within, you know,
Speaker 2: I like most employees, employers are going to want to
Speaker 2: look within if someone is good, because it's like you
Speaker 2: don't have to learn the company culture. I don't have
Speaker 2: to like kind of talk talk to you about like
Speaker 2: and teach you about what we do here. So know that,
Speaker 2: like that's a benefit, you know, to be able, you know,
Speaker 2: to looking to work internally. But also sometimes the problem
Speaker 2: is is like the prodigal son, right, the person who
Speaker 2: leaves and comes back gets like better treatment than the
Speaker 2: person who stayed. So don't be afraid either to like
Speaker 2: be like it seeming like they you know, they treat
Speaker 2: me like old news. Maybe I need to be made
Speaker 2: kneel again, you know, So if you're needing if you
Speaker 2: wanted to make more, consider that too. But I just
Speaker 2: say this that I have people on my team that
Speaker 2: are just so excellent, like are you bringing obvious excellence
Speaker 2: to the table. Not just you're you're doing well, but
Speaker 2: you're visibly doing well. You know, there are people who
Speaker 2: like Even now, there's a woman on one of my
Speaker 2: teams that I want to bring on over to the Bunjanista.
Speaker 2: She's on the Literature Academy team. Shout out to you
Speaker 2: at Keisha girl, we come and get you. She's amazing,
Speaker 2: Like you know, it just started with you know, us
Speaker 2: contracting her to do a few things here and there,
Speaker 2: and I was just blown away about what she delivered.
Speaker 2: Logan was like, what we gotta do to get her?
Speaker 2: You know, and she do project management, but she's just excellent.
Speaker 2: She's one of those people that like, you know, it's
Speaker 2: just it's going to see the thing all the way through.
Speaker 2: Akesha works really hard but also smart and strategically. She's
Speaker 2: like a great team player, easy to get along with.
Speaker 2: She project managed project So her first project management thing
Speaker 2: that I had her do was she helped me with
Speaker 2: the Get Go with Money launch. That was a huge
Speaker 2: project to try and trust to someone and it was
Speaker 2: like fifteen of us working on Get Good with Money
Speaker 2: and it was getting to be overwhelming for me to
Speaker 2: manage everyone. So I said, I heard through the grape
Speaker 2: vine because we used to have our weekly chats when
Speaker 2: I was the CEO of the academy. I heard through
Speaker 2: the grape vine that I Keisha was interested in project
Speaker 2: management and just wanted to test it down. I said, well,
Speaker 2: I have a huge test for you. Try Get Good
Speaker 2: with Money on the Budjanista side. And she was like,
Speaker 2: are you sure? I said, one, all eleven people on
Speaker 2: the Get Goes Money team are hard workers, so the
Speaker 2: project management component is not. You don't have to manage
Speaker 2: and motivate them. These are great people. I cherry picked
Speaker 2: everyone on the team, so that was one. You just
Speaker 2: have to keep us all organized. And she was excellent,
Speaker 2: and I was like, hold on, I want to keech
Speaker 2: it for myself. So me and Tam had to tussle
Speaker 2: song I won and so yeah, so I'll be making
Speaker 2: her I mean, I don't even know ify Kisa listen,
Speaker 2: but yeah, girl, I'll be making your offer.
Speaker 1: So because we talked about it.
Speaker 2: Already, but I'm just saying all that to say, when
Speaker 2: you are excellent, a space is always made for you
Speaker 2: at the table. So I'm sure you're bringing excellence to
Speaker 2: the table in an obvious way because it'll make people say,
Speaker 2: we cannot lose you, know, Nelly, So good luck to
Speaker 2: you girl.
Speaker 3: Keep that's such a perfect point to make.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I talked to a coaching client this morning, all the
Speaker 3: way in Australia, shout out to Nicole. It was ten
Speaker 3: thirty her time, ten thirty a m. My time, and
Speaker 3: she's going through a similar thing. She's applying for a
Speaker 3: senior role at her company, and I had to remind
Speaker 3: her how incredibly beneficial it is that people already know her,
Speaker 3: like she has brand recognition exactly where she is, and
Speaker 3: she I feel like sometimes we take ourselves for granted
Speaker 3: at work and we forget like we don't or no
Speaker 3: one tells us. But there's so much value and how
Speaker 3: a great reputation, colleagues wanting to work with you.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 3: Plus you can teach skills, you can teach how to
Speaker 3: do this, how to do that to a certain extent. Right,
Speaker 3: So if you're meeting most of the qualifications on all
Speaker 3: of them, and people know and love you and will
Speaker 3: vouch for you and you know endorse you. That is
Speaker 3: so key and that gives you such a huge advantage
Speaker 3: over external candidates. So yeah, it's just about building your
Speaker 3: own confidence, Nelly, and that you have a lot going
Speaker 3: for you already understanding the inner workings of this company.
Speaker 3: And even though I want to know like twelve thousand
Speaker 3: more things about the situation, I just want you to
Speaker 3: go in again feeling strong. And to Tiffany's point about
Speaker 3: sometimes if you are missing out on opportunities and you're
Speaker 3: not being valued where you are, because that, unfortunately is
Speaker 3: often the case, use this as a litmus test to see, Okay,
Speaker 3: do I have growth potential at this company? And if
Speaker 3: this promotion does not work out or you don't get
Speaker 3: the support that you feel like you need, well at
Speaker 3: least you explore that option. And you should feel nose
Speaker 3: ounce of guilt for looking outside of the company, you know,
Speaker 3: for new opportunities. Sometimes they got to really fear losing
Speaker 3: you to really respect and value you, which is unfortunate.
Speaker 3: But it's up to you to you know, assert your
Speaker 3: value in that way. So I hope this works out
Speaker 3: for you, but I'm just saying, even if it don't,
Speaker 3: there's other pads ahead of you as well, and they
Speaker 3: don't have to be, you know, feeling stuck or stagnant
Speaker 3: where you currently are.
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Speaker 3: Bye bye,