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Speaker 1: Welcome back all the smoke.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: This was we had to rebook because we were supposed

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Speaker 1: to have this guest when the LA fires hit, similar

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Speaker 1: to Cheryl Miller yesterday, and we had to rebook. But

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Speaker 1: thankfully this brother was free. And he actually has to

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Speaker 1: get out of town today because he's going to go

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Speaker 1: do some college basketball analysts. But man, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Danny gpreciate you, brother, man.

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Speaker 3: Thank you pretty sure, loved man. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: One of the barber is a clap for himself too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good for the show.

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Speaker 1: Clap it up for yourself. One of four players in

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Speaker 1: NBA history win a championship with three different teams, one

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Speaker 1: of the best three and D guys of his era.

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Speaker 1: Twenty seventeen all defense fifteen year pro officially retired last October,

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Speaker 1: transitioning into the media space fatherhood. Like, what's life been

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Speaker 1: like since you hung it up? Bro?

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Speaker 2: I retired? Yeah? So good? They throwing it around. You

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Speaker 2: could have got you a couple.

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Speaker 4: Of home Yeah, man, I just I didn't want to

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Speaker 4: be one of those guys. I was just holding up

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Speaker 4: like h and I was like the hardest thing. I

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Speaker 4: think when people were taking to the structure, we used

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Speaker 4: year prior, just waiting on calls. I was tired of

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Speaker 2: It's time for me to just disrespect.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know a lot of politics of you know,

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Speaker 4: your ten year plus vets. So now your minimum is

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Speaker 4: I didn't have much else left to prove to myself.

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Speaker 4: I didn't care about anybody else. But I had the

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Speaker 4: knee injury. I came back in eight months. The knee

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Speaker 4: was good. I hooped in the summer, I worked out,

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Speaker 4: and I was like, I knew I could play if

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: You entered the game in twenty ten, you left in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, What would you say, because you saw

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Speaker 1: a huge shift in the game, what would you say

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Speaker 1: is the biggest difference in the game from when you

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Speaker 4: I mean, everybody talking about today the three point line,

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Speaker 4: you know, being San Antonio Pop, he used it, but

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Speaker 4: he wasn't a big fan of it. You know, we

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Speaker 4: shot threes, but we didn't shoot a lot of them.

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Speaker 4: It was always inside out. Even in college. I played

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Speaker 4: but it was always inside out. Now it's it's outside it.

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Speaker 4: You know, guys shooting threes in transition, that's the first

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Speaker 4: look they get. The game was a lot more physical

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Speaker 4: But now bigs have to shoot three. So everybody has

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Speaker 4: And the mid range is lost. Yes, you know it's

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Speaker 4: in still lost Art Kawhi. You know, that's how they

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Speaker 4: now everybody analytics are saying if you don't get a

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Speaker 1: When you first got to the Spurs, it was a

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Speaker 4: Lot of different emotions. Obviously, these are people I watched

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Speaker 4: when I was a young kid. I watched Timmy in

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Speaker 4: I mean, Timmy was always great. Manu to Tonio. You

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Speaker 5: Before we will talk about coach Pop, I want to

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Speaker 5: send him to Love. I know I'm gonna let you

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Speaker 5: talk about him. I've been talking to Tom James and

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Speaker 5: just checking on him. I haven't actually talked to Pop.

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Speaker 5: I've been checking on him because you know, Pop was

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Speaker 5: a big part of my career too. Talk about your

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Speaker 5: experience with Pop and do you want anything you want

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Speaker 3: I tried to see him.

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Speaker 4: I went to Santoini for a wedding like in November,

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Speaker 4: but it was still early phases there weren't let a

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Speaker 4: lot of people see him. I'm supposed to go back

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Speaker 4: Without him, I don't think I make it.

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Speaker 3: I got a second chance with him.

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Speaker 4: I was cut from Cleveland and then they gave me

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Speaker 4: much taught me how to beat a pro me too,

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Speaker 4: That was just how they all operated there. But being

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Speaker 4: prayers text him here and there. When I can, he

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Speaker 4: and see him.

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Speaker 5: I wouldn't have had the career I had if I

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Speaker 5: early in my career. So a lot of people and Pop,

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Speaker 5: I hope you get well, man, We love you NYC

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Speaker 5: raised Long Island. It is true you play the AU

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Speaker 4: It's the best I played against Bassie. I didn't get

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Speaker 4: I think Bassie brought Braun there and Reno. I think

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Speaker 4: I have I have it on DVD somewhere. Actually, the games,

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Speaker 4: he was a movement in himself. He was unreal Lincoln.

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Speaker 4: Our team was really good, so we beat them team wise.

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Speaker 1: You guys beat Lincoln?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Did you?

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Speaker 1: We beat them every time? Are you guys the same year?

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Speaker 4: He was a year old and Bron was two years older.

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Speaker 4: So that's why I never got a chance to get

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Speaker 4: to play against Broun. They were different. We were private school.

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Speaker 4: We only played them in scrimmages and I think we

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Speaker 4: But we beat Lincoln. We were a really good team

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Speaker 2: Your career has been super intertwined with Braun.

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Speaker 5: You played with him when the Cavs early, You played

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Speaker 3: While I was playing.

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Speaker 4: I never gave myself a chance to like reminisce because

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Speaker 3: You know, I got a chance to.

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Speaker 4: When I think back, like all the guys that I

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Speaker 4: I've been watching Bron and a lot of my friends

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Speaker 4: And I remember my workouts with Cleveland before I was

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Speaker 4: coming full circle to being able to play against him

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Speaker 3: Was unreal.

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Speaker 4: Said Pop did a great job of not letting the

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Speaker 4: you know, me and Kui were young and more so

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Speaker 4: focusing on the task at hand, and that's beating Miami,

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Speaker 4: well and afterwards, I'm like, damn, you know, I just

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Speaker 3: This is this is his wing.

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Speaker 4: He wants you where you where you're at, where you're

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Speaker 4: Like, who's this bum? Why is he playing with? You

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Speaker 4: When I first got to Cleveland, though, the way he said,

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Speaker 3: Or see him. See him now social media see all time,

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Speaker 4: So yeah, now that are what he carried. It was

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Speaker 3: I remember Dre Blatch. He was good man. He was

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Speaker 4: He was like a they were trying to say he

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Speaker 3: You know, we didn't see a lot of that.

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Speaker 4: Then it was like Lamar Odam and then a couple

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Speaker 4: He was good Greg. Greg was a defensive animal. He

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Speaker 5: Eighth ninth grade Mississippi bullet. Monte ellis brother.

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Speaker 4: He was. He was special. He was my class. So

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Speaker 4: He was averaging his numbers in high school with average forty, athletic,

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Speaker 2: He was a killer best player you played before you

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Speaker 4: then you have to sit out a year figure out.

440
00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:51,640
Speaker 4: But I was just thinking, indeed, to transfer back home,

441
00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,080
Speaker 4: be closer to the family, help take care of the family.

442
00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:56,439
Speaker 4: And also the fact that I don't know if I'm

443
00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,000
Speaker 4: gonna make it because I'm not playing much here.

444
00:17:58,080 --> 00:17:59,240
Speaker 3: How am I going to play in the NBA.

445
00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,160
Speaker 4: It was my dad, who I got very few phone

446
00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,040
Speaker 4: calls with, you know, and other people around me. That

447
00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,200
Speaker 4: was a good foundation, like, nah, like you should fight

448
00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,560
Speaker 4: it out. You belong there. You've always been a kid

449
00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,439
Speaker 4: to figure it out. So continue to do what you do,

450
00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,480
Speaker 4: be who you are, get your workouts in at night,

451
00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,399
Speaker 4: and eventually your time will come. So I stuck with

452
00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,280
Speaker 4: it and it panned out.

453
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Speaker 2: You know.

454
00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,840
Speaker 4: My junior year, I came back. I was one of

455
00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:26,560
Speaker 4: the best six men in the country. I played more,

456
00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,320
Speaker 4: but I still I didn't start to my senior year.

457
00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,720
Speaker 4: He finally came home my senior year. He's able to

458
00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,960
Speaker 4: see some of my last games. But yeah, during that time,

459
00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,520
Speaker 4: it was rough, man, you know, with the family, girlfriend's

460
00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,520
Speaker 4: situations not going right, playing time not going right. You know,

461
00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:46,960
Speaker 4: coaching means you're not on the same page. And I'm

462
00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:48,919
Speaker 4: only eighteen nineteen. There's a lot to juggle and then

463
00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,560
Speaker 4: all of a sudden you've become ahead of the household

464
00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:51,119
Speaker 4: that quickly.

465
00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:52,479
Speaker 3: You got to figure out.

466
00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,200
Speaker 4: You learn how to pay bills, how to help things,

467
00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,480
Speaker 4: you know, find jobs to he'p send some money back home.

468
00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,040
Speaker 4: And back then we weren't making in college, you weren't

469
00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,440
Speaker 4: making any money. Really, it's whatever pelgrant you got.

470
00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,640
Speaker 3: You try to know. I was caddying.

471
00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,000
Speaker 4: I was working at Waikovia, which is a bank. Back then,

472
00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,840
Speaker 4: I did some internships just to try to save a

473
00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:09,439
Speaker 4: couple bucks.

474
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Speaker 1: I think you said something that's interesting in it. It

475
00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,439
Speaker 1: doesn't happen too often these days of kind of sitting

476
00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,960
Speaker 1: there and fighting through it. I think today, I mean

477
00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,439
Speaker 1: you mentioned and I feel it across the board. I

478
00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,280
Speaker 1: mean kids run at the first sign of adversity, quit

479
00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:29,199
Speaker 1: and go high school, college, portal, going to school with

480
00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,400
Speaker 1: all the others. It's crazy. And I think that obviously

481
00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,159
Speaker 1: knowing your journey and seeing your journey, and it was

482
00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,520
Speaker 1: a similar journey to mine, It's just if we didn't

483
00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,639
Speaker 1: fight through that shit, who knows what would have happened

484
00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,480
Speaker 1: when we got to the league and hit that adversity,

485
00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,159
Speaker 1: and so we had nothing to stand on, understand on.

486
00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,280
Speaker 1: And I feel like the kids are running from the smoke.

487
00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,760
Speaker 1: And it's cool now because you can bounce around and

488
00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,840
Speaker 1: land on your feet. But when there ain't nowhere to run,

489
00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:51,560
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do. You've been running your whole

490
00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,040
Speaker 1: teenage years, Like when shit gets real, what's gonna happen.

491
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Speaker 4: A lot of kids don't understand that there is a

492
00:19:56,320 --> 00:20:00,600
Speaker 4: very small percentage of people that become superstar players. And

493
00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,800
Speaker 4: if you can't adapt and adjust, it's just because you

494
00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,120
Speaker 4: don't get your way. That's role players are the ones

495
00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,200
Speaker 4: that are able to adapt an adjusting and stick him because

496
00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:09,600
Speaker 4: they figured out, you know, if I don't get the ball, man,

497
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,480
Speaker 4: I got to figure out how to be in the corner.

498
00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:12,720
Speaker 4: I have to figure out how to be here or

499
00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 4: set screens or get rebounds. I played the foreign college

500
00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,680
Speaker 4: some If you just get cut and run and just

501
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,080
Speaker 4: say I'm trying to be a superstar here, you're not

502
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,639
Speaker 4: gonna make it very far. And said to be a

503
00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,320
Speaker 4: superstar in his league.

504
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Speaker 2: You know.

505
00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,720
Speaker 1: So all players make the league go, stars move it,

506
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,240
Speaker 1: but the role players make it go. Recruiting class heavy.

507
00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,639
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about Tyler Hansbrough

508
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,600
Speaker 1: because obviously one of the most decorated college players. He

509
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,159
Speaker 1: was nice, yeah, you know, solid in the league, but

510
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,119
Speaker 1: it was different some people.

511
00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:47,359
Speaker 4: It was a little physical, yeah, tough too, wow, but

512
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 4: the way he played it was a little unorthodox. The

513
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,800
Speaker 4: hook shot. I think people didn't believe in it at first,

514
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,000
Speaker 4: even in high school. He said he was a bull,

515
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,200
Speaker 4: but they were like, I don't know if he's gonna

516
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 4: make it because he that hook shot, and that hook

517
00:20:58,600 --> 00:20:59,399
Speaker 4: shot worked forever.

518
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Speaker 1: What was he like as a person early on?

519
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 4: Very quiet, you know, introverted. He was very you know,

520
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,399
Speaker 4: to himself. He was intense when it came to the

521
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 4: weight room and on the court. You know, he didn't

522
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,479
Speaker 4: he was one of those guys make friends a lot.

523
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 4: You know, everybody was an enemy socially. It took him

524
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 4: a while to come out of a shell. So like

525
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,240
Speaker 4: now seeing him do like call some of the games

526
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 4: to Carolina is like impressive them see him do a podcast,

527
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,639
Speaker 4: it's like he's actually talking out of people and let

528
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,879
Speaker 4: people in because he was not one of those guys.

529
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,199
Speaker 4: But he was a guy that you wanted to go

530
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 4: to battle with, you know what I'm saying, Like he

531
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:35,639
Speaker 4: was one of those guys, you know, he was not

532
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 4: scared of nobody, no matter who it was, and he's

533
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 4: gonna be there to fight for you.

534
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Speaker 2: Have you back.

535
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,200
Speaker 1: Talk to me about Ty Lawson. He was tough man.

536
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,119
Speaker 1: I got a chance to play with them towards the

537
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,439
Speaker 1: end of my career. But just so small, but so

538
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,159
Speaker 1: motherfucking good and cool at ship. And I hope he

539
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 1: no girl, but you always had females.

540
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 2: I was.

541
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 1: I kept stable women.

542
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:04,879
Speaker 4: It started in college probably, it definitely started call but

543
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 4: Ty was that dude, Dennis the menace. He was always

544
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 4: has some ship, franking people fucking around, you know.

545
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 3: But he liked to be everywhere.

546
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 4: He was into the life, you know, he liked being

547
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 4: outside some but on the court, he's somehow always made

548
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 4: it happen.

549
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 3: It didn't matter you get.

550
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 4: On the court, no matter what he was doing the

551
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 4: night before, he'd get out there and perform. And he

552
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 4: was doing something the night before fastest, fast as hell. Yeah,

553
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 4: but he was one of those guys that made the

554
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 4: game easier and we developed a bond.

555
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,120
Speaker 3: It didn't happen till my junior year. We actually got

556
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:37,680
Speaker 3: better on.

557
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,439
Speaker 4: The court, you know, because early on he came in

558
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 4: with Wayne, so he was always looking for Wayne it's

559
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 4: like your talk, we get a couple of looks, you

560
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:44,880
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying.

561
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,440
Speaker 3: So I got a chance to.

562
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 1: It might have been the light scan bro crazy.

563
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Speaker 4: So I got a chance to set bond with Tie

564
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 4: through different situations. But yeah, ty was a character man.

565
00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 4: He liked to have fun, but he was a hooper

566
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,639
Speaker 4: and he was one of the best point girls that

567
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 4: I got a chance to play with and in college.

568
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 4: You know, he's the reason why we were so good.

569
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 4: Tyler was good to but he was a reason why

570
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 4: he put us over the edge to win that title.

571
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 4: Speaking to national to what was that like hard to

572
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 4: do it?

573
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 1: I mean, just the history behind North Carolina and what

574
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: it meant to put that uniform one. And you guys

575
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,360
Speaker 1: are one of the teams that got to raise a banner.

576
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 3: Just to be accepted to go to school.

577
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 4: There was a big deal for me because I watched

578
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 4: you know, Vince and Stack and all those guys when

579
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 4: I was a kid.

580
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 3: Obviously, Mike she you know, this is the way that

581
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 3: uniformed the.

582
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 4: Pride that they you know, carried themselves with for me

583
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,679
Speaker 4: to carry, you know, try to do.

584
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 3: The same, to beat the dukes.

585
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 4: And have the rivalries and make those guys proud to

586
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 4: see them in the stands weren't at the final four.

587
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 4: Said it's a real moment man and said to college,

588
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 4: I feel like I want to say that's hard to say.

589
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 4: It's a lot harder, but I think it's hard to

590
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 4: win a national Like it's really really hard to win

591
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 4: national title because it takes a lot of luck. It's

592
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 4: one game elimination, you know, the NBA. You still still

593
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 4: have to be healthy.

594
00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 2: You can beat it.

595
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 4: You have to be really good and healthy and beat

596
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 4: a team four times, and it is very tough. It's

597
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 4: probably the hardest thing. But college, I feel like it's

598
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 4: a lot of lottery ticket type of you know, situation

599
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 4: going on your way, a lot of things. You have

600
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 4: a one bad night. You gotta win your losses. You

601
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 4: got to make sure somehow you come out with the

602
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 4: win because you're not gonna play great every night. You know,

603
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 4: it's a Thursday, Saturday or Friday Sunday. It was unbelievable

604
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 4: to see the support that we got. We were in Detroit,

605
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 4: we played against Michigan State and Draymond was on that team.

606
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 4: He was younger and see all Carolina guys there, you know,

607
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 4: mac tar Ah. You know, we had a lot of

608
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 4: those guys that are watching them supporting us. Pep Peppers

609
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 4: was there. So it was dope, man, to see a

610
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 4: lot of guys that I watched, you know, growing up,

611
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 4: give us so much support and comp and be you said,

612
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 4: embrace us into a brotherhood.

613
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Speaker 1: One thing I know that helped me at UCLA was

614
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 1: the summer runs we had up in the men's gym.

615
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 3: That was big, man.

616
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: You guys had some legendary runs back in your day.

617
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: We did see talked to us.

618
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 4: About us, and I wanted to get back to that

619
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 4: because it hasn't been the same really while. And Shaman

620
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 4: Shaman was a big key to that. Shaman Williams, he

621
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 4: introduced you know obviously when we when we came in,

622
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,479
Speaker 4: it was me Tyler, you know, Marcus Bob like our class.

623
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 4: We came in right after they won. So Marvin Williams,

624
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 4: Sean McCants, Raymond Felt and Sewn May, they all they

625
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 4: all had was just leaving, but they were still on campus.

626
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 4: They were still young, and they were all playing. So

627
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 4: we've got a chance to play with and against them

628
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 4: throughout that whole summer. That's how we got better and

629
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 4: each year they would always come back and Shaman led

630
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 4: the charge. Shaman he was playing for years even when

631
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 4: he's older, and now even though we were playing, he's like,

632
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 4: you guys need to get back. These young guys need

633
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 4: that back. And I said, I went back this past

634
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 4: summer before retired. But you know, I do what I can't.

635
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 4: But we don't have as many guys come back and

636
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 4: hooping as much as they should. But yeah, back then,

637
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 4: I was lucky to be a part of and see

638
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 4: it firsthand, you know, and see Brendan Haywood and Stack

639
00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 4: and those guys they were still young enough to play.

640
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 4: Like now a lot of them retiring and coaching like

641
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 4: we're not doing it now. Insurance a little different now

642
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 4: if I pop something, it might take a lot longer

643
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 4: to heal, a lot more money they don't feel like covering.

644
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 4: But yeah, I want to make it a point to

645
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 4: try to get back more often to help those because

646
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 4: it was big for for me and for us as

647
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 4: a group to see those guys. Fourte Joe forty coming

648
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 4: back giving people.

649
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: And he was a bucket forty four. He gave Ray

650
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: forty Where's ray at?

651
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 2: He gave?

652
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: He gave Ray a forty piece.

653
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 2: He did, Ray, he could, but it wasn't on me.

654
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 2: Why it ain't never on you?

655
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: Bro, Gilbert gave him a forty piece.

656
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 2: Forty damn.

657
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 5: A forty piece, guys and Colline Ray, you was getting

658
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 5: to flayed Rotessery Ray.

659
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 2: That's your new name, ro Ray Ray is right.

660
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: So we were both the forty six pick to the Calves.

661
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 3: Oh eight years apart.

662
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, your rookie year obviously with Bron Shack as a vet,

663
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: and I'm sure you got some fucked up locker room

664
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: stories with Shaq, but what was the what was that like?

665
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously Carolina championship history and you're coming in

666
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 1: and getting drafted to Cleveland where Bron is god. But

667
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 1: then also you see the end of an amazing one

668
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: of the most dominant players of all time in Shack.

669
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 1: And the one thing I know for sure, he kept

670
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: the locker room lights. So what is how were the

671
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 1: locker rooms with Shocks the only rookie too, So he's

672
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: fucking with you.

673
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: And all that. Man.

674
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 4: Listen, we had another rookie they drafted, but they send

675
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 4: them back overseas.

676
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 3: Christian Yang.

677
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 4: He's probably lucky following you with Shack Yeah, Shaq was

678
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 4: a he apologized to this day. I accept it, but

679
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 4: he was a There was a lot of shit, you know,

680
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 4: he had me pledging and ship like that.

681
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 3: But it was cool.

682
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 2: Man.

683
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 4: So I think your first year in the league is

684
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 4: just like a let me say, a culture shock.

685
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 3: But you just start.

686
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 4: It's like a starstruck moment, you know, seeing and even

687
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 4: if you don't plays they seeing him up close, you know,

688
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 4: playing against Kevin Durant, playing playing with Lebron and practicing

689
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 4: him dunk for the first time, like oh shit, you

690
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 4: know he really jumps, you know, forty five inches in there.

691
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 4: You know, Shaq is just a big ass human, you know,

692
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 4: and he's light on his feet, like how he's seven

693
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 4: seven to two, three hundred something pound. He could move

694
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,479
Speaker 4: and he's nimble. I'm just seeing how these guys operate.

695
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 4: But he said, idolizing them, watching them, and then you know,

696
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 4: sharing a locker room with him and then being hazed

697
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 4: by him.

698
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: You know it.

699
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 4: It was a full you know it. It was a

700
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 4: good lot of good moments. Even the bad ones were

701
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 4: ones that I appreciated a lot. But I learned so much. Man.

702
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 4: I was a sponge just trying to get everything from

703
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 4: everybody had more Williams. They had Boobie Gibson, Anthony Parker,

704
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 4: Jim Moon, you know, varish out big z. I learned

705
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 4: something from each and every one of them. And Brown

706
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 4: was a big clown. He's a big character back then too.

707
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 4: I think he learned a lot. When he wants Miami

708
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 4: and playing under Spoke and Pat, you know how to

709
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 4: how to win, and you'll take things more serious. Still

710
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 4: still a big kid, but he takes things more serious

711
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 4: when it was time to.

712
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: I want to hear about Shaq being a big kid.

713
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: Hold up my bade, ringing ro Tess Ray. He violated again, Yes,

714
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: ringing Rotisse Ray is your name? Come on Ray.

715
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 2: Raise?

716
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: So we have that like if any if ringing, they

717
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: got twenty five cush ups, so spoke.

718
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 5: Ring again, ringing rot Ray.

719
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: For the rest, we will have to have somebody validate.

720
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 5: Closest to it, whatever went off, whoever closest to it.

721
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: Ringing push push ups, cush ups, So you got to

722
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: do in and out while you're smoking the joint.

723
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: He hit the mouse. So I want to hear.

724
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: I want to hear a little bit before we get

725
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: out of these. The Cleveland early days of like some

726
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: shock shits, give me a thing or two that Shack did.

727
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: You're just like, god damn Shack.

728
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a lot.

729
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 4: It was like so I had to get the donuts

730
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 4: by myself, and at the time in Ohio there was

731
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 4: only one Krispy Kreme and it was like forty minutes

732
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 4: outside of Cleveland and somewhere in Ohio. You have to

733
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 4: drive forty minutes back and you have to be to

734
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 4: arena before everybody else, about two and a half hours

735
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 4: beforehand up. Waking up six in the morning to get

736
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 4: donuts was crazy. If you don't have his donuts, I

737
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 4: will say they kick the balls in the stands. But

738
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 4: Shack said he had me pledge him and I had

739
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 4: to greet them a certain way. And if I didn't

740
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 4: greet them a certain you have to do it. If

741
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:46,719
Speaker 4: I'm shock, how you have to do it. So if

742
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 4: I'm shocked, your brother Shack, you know, certainly I forget

743
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 4: the name of the time, brother Mo Williams. And if

744
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 4: I messed up, I'll get the paddle. You know what

745
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like a phone roll, you know what I'm saying. So,

746
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 4: and he would do weird stuff. Man, you come into

747
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 4: the locker room, somebody'd be showering on his back. You know,

748
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 4: what the hell are you doing?

749
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 5: Man?

750
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 4: You know, run around, but what do you trying to wrestle?

751
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,959
Speaker 4: Like yo, get light on his feet. You don't never

752
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 4: know who he's coming. He was run around tackling the

753
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 4: shack but as nigga, no.

754
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 3: Get away from me.

755
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: Man.

756
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 3: Shi has a lot of pledging going on.

757
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: Ship your journey, obviously being drafted and then being cut

758
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: and and kind of finding your way what what what

759
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: kept you going during those times? Or uncertainty was only

760
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: natural to creep in your mind.

761
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, so my foundation was great was my pops mostly

762
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 4: and my friends of him, and then also seeing my

763
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 4: you know, former colleagues. You said, my college team is

764
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 4: seeing them who like I'm like, I know, I played

765
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 4: with these guys, but against a lot of these guys,

766
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 4: you know, and playing and practice against brownose guys like

767
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 4: I feel like I belong and you know, sometimes just

768
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 4: the opportunity, I'm not sure if I'm gonna make it,

769
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 4: but I'm gonna keep trying. I was overseas for a

770
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 4: little bit. I played in the D League, which is

771
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 4: now the G League. So I played a little bit everywhere.

772
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 4: But I knew that if I got an opportunity, you know,

773
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 4: I'm gonna try to take advantage. I always worked out,

774
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 4: even with my first year in Cleveland, I didn't my

775
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 4: wake up. My first wake up call welcome moment to

776
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 4: the NBA was coming into arena and then tell me

777
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 4: that I was inactive, and I had no idea what

778
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 4: that meant. And I was like, you got to go

779
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 4: back and get a sport coat. I was like, well, shit,

780
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be on the sideline a sport coat A

781
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,719
Speaker 4: lot of I was in the weight room every day,

782
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 4: working on my handles, shooting every day, two or three

783
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 4: times a day, just working out, and so if an

784
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 4: opportunity ever came, I was gonna be ready.

785
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 3: Same when I got cut. I went to the G League.

786
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 4: I was with Phil Handy actually because me and Phil

787
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 4: first interaction was in Reno and before and after practice,

788
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 4: I would get shot up working my game with him,

789
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 4: did some sprinting condition. Once I get this call up,

790
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 4: I'm not coming, I'm I'm not trying to come back.

791
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 4: So I took advantage man of every time slot we

792
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 4: had on the court wherever I was to get extra

793
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 4: working but yeah, my foundation was the ones like they

794
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 4: always listen, you belie there. You know, they encouraged me

795
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 4: and they put the confidence in me and made me

796
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 4: feel more I guess confident myself that you know, I

797
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 4: belonged in the league. And it's like, you know, you're

798
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 4: definitely as good as these guys. We' seen you play against.

799
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 4: These guys you know don't give up. So it started

800
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 4: with them, and that's that's important, man, for these young

801
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 4: kids to have the right people around them and not

802
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 4: just a bunce of yes men. You know, they weren't

803
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 4: a bunch of yes people. And they told me what

804
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 4: I needed to work on, need to get better at,

805
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 4: but they said, you know, I believe you can. You

806
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 4: can do that, you can do this.

807
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: That's a wash out point for a lot of people.

808
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: I was similar, you know, like playing and not playing

809
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: at all and then nearly cut and getting invited to

810
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: a training camp less minute and making the team. But

811
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: it's just like I think, like go back to our

812
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: earlier shit, sitting through Carolina and me sitting through the

813
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: bullshit at UCLA and taking it out what it takes

814
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: to be here and you deserve to be here. But naturally,

815
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: doubt will creep in your mind, but it was dope

816
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: that you were able to keep that.

817
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 4: Got to earn it. You turn with your time, you

818
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 4: got to earn it. And if you're not playing this

819
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 4: for a reason, like, no matter where you go, you

820
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 4: have to fight. I was talking to a lot of

821
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 4: of young college kids in Chapel Hill, like a lot

822
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 4: of them because there's more money out there the portals,

823
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 4: and they're like, oh, they're not happy with the playing time.

824
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 4: We're not happy with whatever is there account And I'm like,

825
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 4: it don't matter where you go. You know, if you're

826
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 4: not happy to playing time here, you think you're not

827
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 4: gonna fight for us, But everybody's trying to get that money.

828
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 4: You're gonna fight for a spot somewhere. So you might

829
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 4: as well sit where you are and fight where you're at.

830
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 4: You got here for a reason, you know, prove that

831
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 4: you're here and prove that you belong here and that

832
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 4: you should be. You know, one of the guys getting

833
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 4: you minutes.

834
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 5: Yep, So coach, let's go back to Sanity Town to

835
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 5: y'all we was teammates briefly.

836
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, was that the year that they got you out

837
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: of there? And brought teammates.

838
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 2: First. First, we lost in the Western Conference Finals.

839
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 3: I had Jack.

840
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 4: So Jack came at the end of the year that year,

841
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 4: and then he came through for like a year. So

842
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 4: you came end of the year and he came.

843
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 3: You came. Let him?

844
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: Well, I came into thirteen.

845
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: Okay.

846
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 5: In the thirteen we lose in the Western Conference finals. Yeah, okay,

847
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 5: come back in fourteen and right before the playoffs, pop cup,

848
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 5: Pop cut me for Trace McGrady, yes and so, and

849
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 5: they ain't play Tracy.

850
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 4: You came game twelve, twelve. Twe twelve thirteen, went to

851
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 4: the finals. We lost the Western con Finals in twelve okay,

852
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 4: so yes, so twelve you came and then they let

853
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 4: you go thirteen.

854
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: Thirteen before we got there.

855
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, and you'll one in thirteen, right we lost.

856
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 2: In thir thirteen. Yeah, best team I was supposed to

857
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 2: be on.

858
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 3: Max was with us. It was his first time.

859
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 5: I would have got out of the first rebound in

860
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 5: game six. I would have got the rebound was Dann

861
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 5: Ray Damn Show wouldn't have got it if anybody would it,

862
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 5: I mean he would have got the shot off.

863
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 2: For none of that. He wouldn't have been involved because

864
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: you know.

865
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 5: I take that ship personals him.

866
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 2: But look, I would have got that got that.

867
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: It's hard to watch right here.

868
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: We played a lot together. Though we played a lot together.

869
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: When I did play, we did, and I would I

870
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: would have been Bars. I would have been Bars. Yeah,

871
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: I would have been Bars.

872
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 4: Going to switch or somebody. We didn't switch right here,

873
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 4: so this is why Chris got the rebound. I would

874
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 4: have been Bars. There was no switch here. But my

875
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 4: question is when I switch everything.

876
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 2: Barsh is one of the best players, the most played.

877
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 4: Very good, but we went smaller because they were trying

878
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 4: to get a three, so they wanted to switch everything.

879
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 4: So we had timmy off the floor.

880
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: Five would have got that rebound. I'm telling you we

881
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 2: wasn't switching that.

882
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 3: Mind you.

883
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 4: We did miss two free throws and the play the

884
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 4: possession before bron hit a three.

885
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 3: The possession before you.

886
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 4: Weren't there, but that play was played over over over

887
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,959
Speaker 4: and over the following your film room, because that's where

888
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 4: my mistake was the most because the year before you

889
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 4: were there with us. Yeah, maybe you can give me

890
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 4: you can test this. We were contesting, and if we tested,

891
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 4: they take.

892
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 1: Off oh they changed that on you though, huh right.

893
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: After this year take off?

894
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 5: This year take off because we weren't getting to be

895
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 5: found with Tim down, there was getting off.

896
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 4: If you can test go so to play before this, Bron,

897
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 4: he missed took one missed it. I can test the

898
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 4: first one. I'm trickling out toward half because my natural

899
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 4: habit was to start leaning to take off. They get

900
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 4: another rebound and kick it back to Bron here to

901
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 4: I think went off the off the backboard with the

902
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 4: bink shot. He kept rewinding that ship. Where the are

903
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 4: you going?

904
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 2: Where the gonna do that?

905
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 4: He took that right out. There was no more leaking

906
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 4: out that.

907
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 2: It was no more.

908
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 5: But you know, the older, the older Tim got, they

909
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 5: probably start taking it out because at one point it

910
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:17,959
Speaker 5: don't make.

911
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: No sense to going in the key, Tim getting all

912
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: that ship everything.

913
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 2: Bro.

914
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 4: Yeah he was Timmy was great. I can test the

915
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 4: first one. I'm leaning to our half and I'm ready

916
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 4: to be like all right rebound we would have been out,

917
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 4: but it was like, oh.

918
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: He goes off the glass.

919
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 3: The second rebound, three ball, bron. It's hard to watch.

920
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 4: But said that film session the following year, because pop

921
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 4: always does every following year. He watches the previous and

922
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 4: we had the same group together for a long time.

923
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 4: He watched the last series, the last game.

924
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 2: I probably watched that just as much as you do.

925
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 3: He was rewinding and rewinding my seven bars.

926
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 4: And but the craziest part is this part here five

927
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 4: seconds they stopped the clock. They stopped, they called, they stopped,

928
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 4: They took the ball to boards in we're trying to go.

929
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 4: So Pop was going ape ship look at him.

930
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what's Joey Carford doing point shaving.

931
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, it took them because we're trying to get and go.

932
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 4: They celebrating. We could have get we go, get a

933
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 4: layup or a basket. At this point, Tony's like, get

934
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 4: it out. Tony would have been gone five seconds. What

935
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 4: we're gonna get a look.

936
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: Now they get a chance to review it.

937
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 4: Now they get a chance to see if it's a

938
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 4: two or three. They get a time out.

939
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 5: Joey every I was with the Spurs. I made it

940
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 5: to at least the Western Conference finals.

941
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 3: At least what we were spoiled, bro at least we

942
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,479
Speaker 3: were spoiled. I was like, damn.

943
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 4: And then after that we ain't been back. We hadn't

944
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 4: been after fourteen. With the first round against Golds, I

945
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 4: think Kui hurt the ankle. We had a couple of clippers.

946
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,919
Speaker 4: CP got the game. We get Yeah, that's the old

947
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 4: Stations Wise Championship. It was a couple of times. We

948
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 4: never have been back to the Western count finals, like damn.

949
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 4: So when I got back in Toronto, I was like,

950
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 4: you know, I'm enjoying this. We ain't been back here

951
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 4: in a minute, and to realize how how hard it

952
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 4: was to get back there.

953
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: So yeah, Wow.

954
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: We had LaMarcus All just on the show last year

955
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: and he kind of detailed low key kind of the

956
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: falling out between Pop and Kawhi. Uh did you see

957
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: that up close and personal? And what was kind of.

958
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: Your take when I was there? So I know he

959
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: saw it.

960
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 4: I saw some of what was happening. I never till

961
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 4: his dad. I never asked QUI me and him what happened.

962
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 4: I've heard from other people of things that have happened.

963
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 4: I can see give you my like mathematics of what happened.

964
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 4: I think his uncle. His uncle had a lot of

965
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 4: what to do what was going on off the clues,

966
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 4: a lot of influence with it. And I think once

967
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 4: his uncle saw some distasteful things in his mind, it

968
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 4: was like, all right, this is we're not doing this.

969
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 4: You know, we're not gonna because you know, San Antonio

970
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 4: they don't treat anybody like superstars.

971
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 3: And I think his uncle kind of and rightfully.

972
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 4: So only three people I'm saying, you know what I'm saying, rightfully,

973
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 4: so he should have been treated like a superstar. But Tommy,

974
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 4: that Pop was spoiled. They never had to treat Tommy

975
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 4: like that because Timmy never never needed he never cared

976
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 4: to be that. But I think, you know, Kawhi had

977
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 4: the injury, Tony said some things in the media, and

978
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 4: then Pop said some things to the media. I think,

979
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 4: you know, Uncle Dennis was like, no, it's not because

980
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 4: Kawhi came back from nine games. And after that, he's

981
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 4: like yet to talk to Kawhi's people, and that to them,

982
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 4: from my understanding, I think they saw that was respectful

983
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 4: and that you know, some of the things Tony said

984
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 4: was like they were like, okay, that's disrespectful. And then

985
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 4: they were like, we're not what the rum wings were.

986
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 4: He's not going to be seen in the San Antonio

987
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 4: Spurs uniform again. So yeah, I never asked him what happened. Uh,

988
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 4: you know, one day, man, we'll get a chance to

989
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 4: shop it up when he's done hoooping. But I was

990
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 4: fortunate enough to play with him in San Antonio and

991
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 4: also play with him again in Toronto.

992
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,760
Speaker 3: We had a great year and.

993
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 5: That's why I got traded. Though it was getting too

994
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 5: close when I was that time. I was there, but

995
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 5: also coming to my house bugging out because we only get.

996
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 3: I remember, I remember this very vividly.

997
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 4: But like, you know, Stack not gonna he's not gonna

998
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 4: just let people talk to him, sir, He's not gonna

999
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 4: just let people practices, just go the way to suppose

1000
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 4: this game, Like you know, we're gonna talk ship.

1001
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 2: And that's all the playing time I was getting at.

1002
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 3: The time, and you know what I'm saying.

1003
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 2: So it was practice.

1004
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 4: So you know we're in practice, and uh, you know

1005
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 4: in the system they were like things doing so worry.

1006
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 4: We're gonna run this play though, and you know you're

1007
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 4: supposed to not cheated or whatever. And Stack's like, no,

1008
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 4: what if they do this? And you're like, well, they're

1009
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 4: not gonna do that. He goes, you know, so basically

1010
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 4: Jack was talking back like, Noah, we're not doing everything

1011
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 4: your well, you know, we're gonna do it this way

1012
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 4: or sometimes it may happen this way.

1013
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 3: How to how you gonna know what the happening. I

1014
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:43,479
Speaker 3: didn't see stack.

1015
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 5: He's not like he's not lying, he is not lying.

1016
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 5: We had I had a great practice.

1017
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 3: He wasn't ship and he was going at Kuhi back

1018
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 3: and forth, and it was like, yo.

1019
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 2: Go under, who's who's the little point going?

1020
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 3: Was young? I'm young. I don't know what's wrong or right?

1021
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: No, no, no, the point god.

1022
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 5: And you know I was I was talking to him

1023
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 5: crazy about swinging the ball.

1024
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I was like, swing the

1025
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 2: fucking ball, you know I was. I was into it.

1026
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: I had a great practice.

1027
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 4: And him his normal intense self into the game talks

1028
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 4: but that's how he plays.

1029
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 3: How he hooped me on the court. Competitive So he.

1030
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 4: Was doing that to all others in US and and

1031
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 4: they telling him, yo, you do it this way to

1032
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 4: do that, and he's like, we might not do it

1033
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 4: that way.

1034
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 3: You know I'm hooping, let me, let me do it,

1035
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 3: but this is what you don't know.

1036
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 4: And I was like, what I've told what I've heard anyways,

1037
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 4: but I was just like, then I ain't see Stack.

1038
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 3: After that, I was like, then what happened. I'm like, yeah,

1039
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 3: we need him.

1040
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 2: Bro.

1041
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 3: Mac I was like, all right, Matt cool.

1042
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 1: Bro.

1043
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 3: I'm like, damn. We had Stack Stack for a year.

1044
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 5: I went in the locker room after practice. Tim was

1045
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 5: in there. You know, Tim love when all of us do.

1046
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 5: It was our biggest cheerleader. By the time he'd say

1047
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 5: something to me, go in the locker room. Soon as

1048
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 5: I'm going to take my shoes up, Pop on you

1049
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 5: in the film room.

1050
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 3: I know this can't be Principal's office.

1051
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 2: This is the first thing he tell me, Bro, He say,

1052
00:42:58,880 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 2: look at this.

1053
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 5: He finds the worst play that I've ever made that season,

1054
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 5: just that play and showed.

1055
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: It in the game.

1056
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 2: It was about eight games ago. It wasn't even recent.

1057
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 3: Pop Pop is very good at the chest play.

1058
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: He's super petty.

1059
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 4: He gonna he gonna cuss you out for this game,

1060
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 4: whatever game it is, so that you're ready for two

1061
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 4: games from now, you might be playing Sacramon. The Kings

1062
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 4: said that the time they weren't good. It was like,

1063
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 4: all I know, we're playing Atlanta or whoever it is

1064
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 4: as good. I need you more locked in for this game.

1065
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna cuss you out, put you in the

1066
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 4: dog house, so you mad. If you play better, Mad,

1067
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 4: I know you'll come out ready focused for this game.

1068
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: T Mack was already on the way there.

1069
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 3: First off, I didn't know that.

1070
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Max was in the air like he had

1071
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 5: already checked in to the rescue.

1072
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: No, he was the playing took off already. He was

1073
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: on the way to San Antonio.

1074
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 5: And one thing about Pop like like he said, the

1075
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:50,959
Speaker 5: smartest person, not one of the smartest people.

1076
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 2: I know.

1077
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 5: He know my reaction before he even asked me something.

1078
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 5: It was basically and he knew I was gonna fall

1079
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 5: for it because you know, you know my passion. He

1080
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 5: brought me in there, showed me that. He was like,

1081
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 5: you know what, Jack, you haven't been playing well. The

1082
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 5: guys that I'm going to play, you know, I want

1083
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 5: them to have confidence going in. You was talking to

1084
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 5: these guys so bad and practice Today. I'm gonna bring

1085
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 5: the guys in and I want you to basically admit

1086
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 5: that all these guys are better than you because I'm

1087
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 5: going to play these.

1088
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 3: Guys and damn well, just Jack ain't gonna Jack.

1089
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 5: Got my ship and walked by it. Then as I

1090
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 5: was walking I seen Tim on the training table. He

1091
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 5: was like, I'm like, man, I how let you later now?

1092
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 5: I just walked up out of there. That was the

1093
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 5: end of I And by four hours later you see

1094
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 5: on the news Tracey McGrady is and San Antonio practice

1095
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 5: uniform shooting jumpers.

1096
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, Nigga, Pop knew exactly what he was doing,

1097
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 2: but I don't.

1098
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 5: I don't hold I don't hold any grudge to Pop

1099
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 5: or nobody because Popped there a live for me. But

1100
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 5: that was my sign and retire. That was my sign

1101
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 5: of retire. After that, Yeah, I was.

1102
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 3: It was. It was one of those moments.

1103
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 4: I was just like, damn Like, even though it said

1104
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 4: he wasn't playing a lot, playing something, we needed Jack

1105
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 4: just that because he was. He gave us that chip

1106
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 4: and even you just never know in a moment he

1107
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 4: in the game, he'll hit some threes for us, or

1108
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 4: even give a hard foul.

1109
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, he gonna foul.

1110
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 4: It's gonna change the tempt that it's gonna change the

1111
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 4: whole pace of the game or this person's trajectory of

1112
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 4: the game.

1113
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: Whoever has a nice small ball lineup. Bro.

1114
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 4: We had a crew and it was like some some

1115
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 4: games were like we knew somebody's hot. Jack would come

1116
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 4: in and man, I lock him. He was getting one

1117
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 4: hard foul. It's like, all right, it's a different game

1118
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 4: for him. I know we're gonna be all right, so

1119
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 4: Jack and all right, Jack, go hit him real quick.

1120
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1121
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 2: I used to call it nasty Jack, Bring the nasty. Yeah,

1122
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 2: bring the nasty.

1123
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,479
Speaker 3: I was like, we need Jack ship.

1124
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 4: But we got Mac and I was like, you know,

1125
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 4: it's another instance. I was like, damn, I got I

1126
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 4: get a chance to play with Tea Mac. I never

1127
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 4: got watched him growing up. He was great too. We

1128
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 4: didn't practice. He showed that he had some signs of

1129
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 4: We didn't really play much either, but he got there.

1130
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 4: He was also in the finals telling us what we

1131
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 4: need to do. And he was one of the guys

1132
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,479
Speaker 4: that was, you know, in Tony's here, like Tony, you need.

1133
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 2: To That was his chance to get a chip too, and.

1134
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 4: He was telling Tony like these guys they play in

1135
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 4: the paint is what Miami does. Kick it out, you know.

1136
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 4: But it wasn't. I'm not gonna blame anybody in particular.

1137
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 4: We all we lost together. It was tough. Game seven

1138
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 4: was tough.

1139
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 5: I ain't gonna do that when you misscoping shots. They

1140
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 5: was blaming you. Yeah, we lost to okay See, and

1141
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 5: that West Conference found there was Tony fault because he

1142
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 5: wouldn't kick the rock. Everybody was on five. I was

1143
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 5: six seven for seven. Everybody was on five. He would

1144
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 5: not kick that bitch until he got tripped. Team tell

1145
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 5: you all, that's what happened.

1146
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: We went up too. Oh, we went up too. Oh

1147
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 2: we lost four in a row.

1148
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: Danny said, these are the thusts of Stephen Jesse Jackson.

1149
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just saying. I said form I was there.

1150
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 5: I said, I love I played with it. I'm not

1151
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 5: distant Tony, but just that series I seen, I'm actually

1152
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 5: I seen Tony.

1153
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 4: There were some times where you know what I mean,

1154
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 4: there was some things missed, but it was like, you know,

1155
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 4: a couple guys miss certain things.

1156
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 3: I seen Tony grow Jack was hot. One series.

1157
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 2: We was.

1158
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 4: We was hooping that series. Okay See was good too,

1159
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 4: though we couldn't stop him. Once they got Serge got

1160
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 4: the Serge went out the first. I think he was

1161
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 4: hurt the first two games, came back four straight.

1162
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: You got it.

1163
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 4: It was James eleven or some ship like that. It

1164
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 4: was James to James come on the bench, the bench

1165
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 4: going crazy. It was hard and you got Katie Russ

1166
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 4: three different They was crazy though. It was a tough team.

1167
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:17,959
Speaker 4: He couldn't stop them.

1168
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 3: But yeah, you know, said Mac was he was talking

1169
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 3: to everybody he was on it. But so it'll be.

1170
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 4: Nice to have to have Jack as well in that

1171
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 4: finals run. And they had other people on that team

1172
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 4: that was good. I feel like on that team yet

1173
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 4: was there. Fisher was on that team. But Sir Serge

1174
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 4: played a big role in They had some pieces.

1175
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 1: Man.

1176
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 4: Every year they had pieces they brought in, and they

1177
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 4: brought in Reggie Jackson. Another year they brought in Dion Waiters.

1178
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 4: And they always brought in some good pieces. Somehow made

1179
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 4: it work.

1180
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: Twenty nineteen, you're in the trade with Kawhi from San Antonio.

1181
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: Obviously he has a huge chip on his shoulder. In

1182
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: the playoffs that year, he had thirty points, nine rebounds,

1183
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: forcedst and nearly shot forty fifty to ninety splits. One

1184
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: of the biggest game winners in the history of the playoffs.

1185
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 3: And the biggest game, winn What was that?

1186
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: What was that? Kawhi like, can you tell? Can you tell?

1187
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: There was a shift in his mentality from san Antonio

1188
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: to I.

1189
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 3: Feel like he's always stayed.

1190
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: It's him, He's always just been him, just him.

1191
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 4: But to see him emerge because I was there before

1192
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 4: he even because he was just a defensive guy. Because

1193
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 4: I was there when we had George George Hill was

1194
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 4: They loved him and I'm like, damn, they trading George

1195
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 4: for this kid, like he he must be special. But

1196
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 4: I didn't see it at first. He had he had

1197
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 4: the stature, he carried himself a certain way. But they

1198
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 4: was like, he's gonna be the next Bruce Bon and

1199
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 4: that's what they like, You're gonna be defense. He got

1200
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 4: the long arms, big hands. We didn't see him as

1201
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 4: an offensive threat. And then Chip you know, developed a

1202
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 4: three pointer and the next you know, I don't know

1203
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 4: if you were there for this, the keys got passed

1204
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 4: to him pretty quickly. At the end of the game.

1205
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 4: You know, it was usually angle for Tony. I seen

1206
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 4: cussed Tony out one time, give him the fucking ball,

1207
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:03,439
Speaker 4: and I was like, I don't know who he's talking

1208
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 4: to I'm like, I'm like, who's he talking. I'm like,

1209
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 4: Tony's got the ball, you know what I'm saying about

1210
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 4: give it to Quiet. I'm like, oh, this is what

1211
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 4: we're doing now, okay, And then it gains. It was

1212
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 4: right after probably twenty thirteen finals. He's like it was

1213
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 4: his show. And then see him continue to trend or

1214
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 4: you know, become a superstar. And then in Toronto was like,

1215
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 4: you know, this is this is who he is and

1216
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 4: nothing phased him and you didn't realize he made it

1217
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 4: look easy. You know, he was just doing it all

1218
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 4: that said, Nick put the ball in his hands and

1219
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 4: he figured it out.

1220
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 1: Drake's relationship and involvement went the team out there.

1221
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 3: It was cool man.

1222
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 4: He had locker, they had the boy on the Boy Man.

1223
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 3: The album was dope. You know, I fuck, you know,

1224
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 3: I like the new album.

1225
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 4: Always been great, you know, lyrically, musically, off the court,

1226
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 4: showed a lot of love. He's always been cool, you know.

1227
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 4: He came to the game with the Ovio jerseys we

1228
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 4: had that year. I wish we had the black ones.

1229
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 4: We had the white and gold. It was cool. He

1230
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 4: wasn't around as much during the season more towards the

1231
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 4: end of the season and more playoffs. But I think

1232
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 4: he played a big factor in that Milwaukee series Janni's

1233
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 4: missing them free throws. You know, he was fucking with

1234
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 4: Janni's a little bit, and that helped us.

1235
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 2: I mean, at one point you didn't have to fuck

1236
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 2: with him. He missed that ship.

1237
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 4: Anyway, fans with fans were on this. Our fans were

1238
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 4: good too, and they had him. You know, at that

1239
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 4: free throw line, he's taking fifteen seconds to shoot him.

1240
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: What was that like though, because I mean in they

1241
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: was packed, but then y'all have motherfucking a couple million

1242
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: people outside while on the jumbo tron. Yeah, what was

1243
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: that like?

1244
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 4: Vibe and I never got a chance to experience until

1245
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,439
Speaker 4: after and then the parade was crazy. But I said,

1246
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 4: you see, like I said, in Santonio had a great

1247
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 4: fan base. But you see all of the country come

1248
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 4: out of Canada for the Raptors. You know, they have

1249
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 4: their own obviously it's a different country. They have their

1250
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 4: own channels and their own shows and on Netflix, and

1251
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 4: they only watched Raptors because it's only.

1252
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 3: One team in the whole country.

1253
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 4: So they're all watching tune in and they're all showing up,

1254
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 4: they're all supporting us, and then arena, that arena got

1255
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 4: loud as hell, especially when Ronads are shooting them.

1256
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 3: Then free throws.

1257
00:50:54,680 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 5: You know Nico, You know Nico, Nico, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1258
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 4: They all all of them good people's man, they always

1259
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 4: show a lot of love. All Ovo boys, man, they

1260
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 4: hell a cool yeah yeah, shout out to them, sir.

1261
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 2: From the Rappers to the Lake.

1262
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 5: Just for the bubble season, Lebron Rondo a d Dwight

1263
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 5: Caruso crazy, Jes Swish was on that switch.

1264
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, Eswecily too, and we had Dion had way to

1265
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 3: come later j McGee.

1266
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, how was that? We was rolling? Man, It was

1267
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 4: one of those So I had a lot of fun.

1268
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 4: One of the most fun seasons on the court with Toronto.

1269
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 4: A lot of vets too, one of the most fun

1270
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 4: seasons off the court with l A before Covid hit.

1271
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1272
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 4: On the court it was fun too, but it was tough.

1273
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 4: It was a tough job for Frank. We had too

1274
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 4: many guys. Head, you know what I'm saying, Like I'm gonna play.

1275
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 4: We got cools, we got you know, said k C. P.

1276
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 4: Avery Bradley Swish Switch Swish came later.

1277
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 3: We had Couz.

1278
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 4: Early on, we had Marcus he was rehaving but adye

1279
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 4: Javel Dwight coming off the bench.

1280
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 2: You know.

1281
00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 4: We had couls playing the four. We end up getting

1282
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 4: Markkeith Morris at later on, but Bron Rondo. We had

1283
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 4: all these defensive guys and guys that can hoop too,

1284
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 4: So it was like we were going in ten twelve minutes.

1285
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 4: It's hard to strug. Early on I was playing like

1286
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 4: twenty eight minutes. Then it was like, you know, I'll

1287
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 4: play the first six minutes, sit the next twelve, and

1288
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 4: then finished the half. It's hard to get a rhythm,

1289
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 4: you know, and then finishing the game, it'd be just

1290
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 4: different guys.

1291
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 3: And the bubble ab didn't come.

1292
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 4: Avery he didn't come, So it made a little KCP

1293
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 4: transition a little bit better and I guess the minutes

1294
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 4: a little bit better for everybody. But we had too

1295
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 4: much talent, man, But it was a lot of fun.

1296
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 2: You know.

1297
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 4: We was enjoying the group man random play. Everywhere where

1298
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 4: we went, we did something dinner, go out, kick it.

1299
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 4: Even in Utah, like we was having a We had

1300
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 4: a blast man. We had cous with us, Troy Damas

1301
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 4: with us for a second, so we got rid of

1302
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 4: I think he left went to Denver and then cousin

1303
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 4: left and that's when we picked up Jr. And Dion

1304
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 4: speak to what it's like to be a Laker though,

1305
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 4: because it's different America's team. I don't remember where when

1306
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 4: I signed. I think I was in a random ass city.

1307
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 4: It might have been in like Orlando. But you realize

1308
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 4: how men Lakers fans are everything everywhere, bro, everywhere.

1309
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 3: It's like like the Cowboys. So like, you sign the.

1310
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: Lakers, minus winning, but like just America's Yeah, not as

1311
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: a winning yeah, sorry, Jack, the championships more than more

1312
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,919
Speaker 1: than more than Dallas. Think about that close.

1313
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 4: Winning as a late Cowboy's not winning, but said, become

1314
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,919
Speaker 4: a fan base, America's team.

1315
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 3: Man.

1316
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 4: Everywhere he went, everybody's you know, thanks for signing with

1317
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 4: the Lakers. I'm in the middle of somewhere. It shouldn't

1318
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 4: be in the Lakers fans. I'm like, it's kind of crazy.

1319
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 4: So you get the love right away. As soon as

1320
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 4: I signed, everybody's excited.

1321
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 2: Man.

1322
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 4: So it was, and it said, lights are different thing.

1323
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 4: And I think a lot of people you see experience that,

1324
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 4: even even Luca Russ. It takes some time to adjust

1325
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 4: to those lights.

1326
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 5: I got a question, how do you celebrate like in

1327
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 5: the bubble, because, like I I.

1328
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 3: Got it was tough.

1329
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 5: Man, I got an in depth look of what went

1330
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 5: on in the boat from jail. He called me every

1331
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 5: morning and we smoked one every morning on face.

1332
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 3: All them hallways.

1333
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 4: Man, this is right when and they just allowed bro

1334
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 4: The whole hotel resort smoked like trees.

1335
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 3: Burned down Christmas Tree was.

1336
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 4: It was crazy, burned out every day like there it's

1337
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 4: section eight over here, like the crazing down the hallway

1338
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 4: Brono was. That was a little bit cleaner, but it

1339
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 4: was still you know, but yeah, them always was crazy.

1340
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 4: So the in the bubble trying to celebrate stuff. They'd

1341
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 4: finally let the family's in like two months after we

1342
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 4: got there, they closed down on the restaurant. So we

1343
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 4: had a little food and get together and party. But

1344
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 4: it's nothing like Yeah, even when we stopped I think

1345
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 4: we went to stop in Vegas. We went somewhere after

1346
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 4: so we you know, some teams when they went to

1347
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 4: e to stop in Vegas or Miami before they fly back.

1348
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 4: After we left and got out of there to celebrate

1349
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 4: in other cities. We went to like San Diego one time,

1350
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 4: duds hats on the San Diego. They went to Vegas.

1351
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 4: COVID was still going on, so it was still the same.

1352
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 4: We didn't get a parade. We had fun, but it

1353
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 4: wasn't the same as like when I was in Toronto.

1354
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 4: When I was in San Antonio, we got a chance

1355
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 4: to actually celebrate with the real world.

1356
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, what Broun and Luca want a chip together?

1357
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 4: No, I don't think so. I don't think so. I

1358
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 4: think I think they're explosive offensively. I think they lack

1359
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 4: a lot defensively. Yes, And as great as bron is,

1360
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 4: he always proves me wrong every year that he had

1361
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,479
Speaker 4: averages thirty somehow, I don't know how much many years

1362
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 4: he has left longer. And I think it's just really

1363
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 4: hard to have to win a championship when your best

1364
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 4: player is forty years old and he's really good no

1365
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 4: matter what you but he's forty years old and you

1366
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 4: can't ask him to do on both.

1367
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 3: Ends of the floor. Yeah, and same with Luca.

1368
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 4: When they carry offensively, they used to not having to

1369
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 4: do as much defensively. The guy that can help clean

1370
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 4: or cover up their messes is gone, and it's hard

1371
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,919
Speaker 4: to find another guy to replace that protection or another

1372
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 4: They could find another lob threat, but I think ultimately

1373
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 4: Luca replaces Broun for when he's done. So now they

1374
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 4: could build around Luca, So long term is good. I

1375
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 4: don't think they can win now.

1376
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 3: Next year. I don't know what they're gonna do with

1377
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 3: Next year.

1378
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 4: Brown's gonna be forty one, so I just can't see

1379
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 4: he gets so average thirty twenty something. But I just

1380
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 4: don't see them winning a championship with that formula right now.

1381
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 2: You played two seasons in Philly, just I don't know

1382
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 2: going on there.

1383
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 4: Like they get Paul tough Man, it's a tough set.

1384
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 4: That's one of the toughest fan bases in the world.

1385
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 5: I want to say, they don't play, not playing well?

1386
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,720
Speaker 5: Stuff going on with and be what's going on there?

1387
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 5: You had a little inside two years.

1388
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I was there recently too. I mean you

1389
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 4: was there with Ben too, right, I was, And I

1390
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 4: actually signed back because of Ben. I like, I like

1391
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 4: playing with Ben. I had my career high and three

1392
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 4: point attempts playing with Ben. I was getting six a game.

1393
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: He's a hell of a player man when he was

1394
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: is it mental for him one percent?

1395
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 4: I think also some physical as later on, But those

1396
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 4: years when we were there is more mental, and toward

1397
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 4: the end of that it was more mental.

1398
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 3: I think physically his back.

1399
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: You were on the team when he passed up the

1400
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: layup for the jumper.

1401
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had Uh. I was out that game because

1402
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 4: I strained Ye. I was there. I strained my calf.

1403
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 4: That series, we were up to one. I strained my

1404
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 4: calf in Game three. They won that game, and then

1405
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 4: we were up Game four by like eighteen. We were

1406
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 4: up eighteen to twenty six. The next two games we

1407
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 4: were up twenty and lost both of them and was

1408
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 4: down three to two forced a game seven. Game seven

1409
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 4: was when been passed the ball up, and I think

1410
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 4: a lot of people were concerned, like something's going on.

1411
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 4: We didn't know what was going on. Also, before that,

1412
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 4: I don't know everybody heard the heard story. There was

1413
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 4: a COVID situation before that. It was a false So

1414
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 4: there was a lot going on that morning with shoot around.

1415
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 4: We weren't sure if he's gonna play. Oh, they thought

1416
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 4: Ben had COVID. It was a false positive. I think, well,

1417
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 4: somebody near him had a false positive, like one of

1418
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 4: his messus, you know, Massaotropis caught up a false positive.

1419
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 3: So there was a lot going on that.

1420
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 4: Morning for him and with him, and we weren't sure

1421
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 4: if he was gonna play, and that might have messed

1422
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 4: with him throughout the game. But I think he didn't

1423
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 4: want to shoot free throws. We were like, yo, take

1424
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 4: the free throw shooting.

1425
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 3: We don't care.

1426
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 4: Man, were getting the attempts they have to. They're gonna file out,

1427
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 4: you know, foule some people out. We're gonna be in

1428
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 4: a bonus. Joe gets to freelance, other guys will get

1429
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 4: to the free throw line. But yeah, when he he

1430
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 4: had to dunk and pass it up to Matist, Matis

1431
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 4: got fouling. But that play in real time, everybody in

1432
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,439
Speaker 4: the building was like, what what the fuck is going on?

1433
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 4: And then I was just like did that just happen?

1434
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 4: Like did he just do that? And a lot of

1435
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 4: people are concerned, like what was going on? So then

1436
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 4: he got a lot of stuff criticism in the media

1437
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 4: after that, and then Doc I guess said something which

1438
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 4: ultimately led to him want to be traded after that.

1439
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know if he's going to be

1440
00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 4: a championship point guard. But yeah, that was the beginning

1441
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 4: of the then.

1442
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 1: For for how good was indeed when he was healthy.

1443
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 4: Unbelievable, especially when from a skill set standpoint, from a

1444
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 4: scoring standpoint, he was still figuring out how to pass

1445
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 4: out of like the double team situation, and you know

1446
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 4: Doc was trying to help him with like where the

1447
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 4: looks were. But he knew how to get to the

1448
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 4: free line. He could shoot jumpers, you know, to euro step.

1449
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 4: You know he could. He can win you a playoff

1450
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 4: series by himself. He's MVP for a reason. And if

1451
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 4: he was ever healthy, stayed healthy in the playoffs, there's

1452
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 4: no reason why they shouldn't have been at least in

1453
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 4: the Eastern Conference Finals. They would have definitely been to

1454
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 4: the finals. We should have that year we lost Atlanta,

1455
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 4: we should have been. If I didn't get hurt, I

1456
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 4: believe we'd have been at least the Eastern Conference Final.

1457
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 2: You think MB wouldn't be dealing with all these injuries.

1458
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 5: It'd he played basketball early and not so late because

1459
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 5: they say he started mad late.

1460
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 4: No, I think there's other reasons. They're trying to figure

1461
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 4: it out. They're saying different training, different rehab, different physical therapy.

1462
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 4: You know, his weight fluctuates sometimes. I think when that

1463
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 4: happens with people, especially when you have that size. Yeah,

1464
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 4: you're that size big man are. So that's one thing

1465
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 4: I fear for Wemby. You know, seven footers ain't supposed

1466
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 4: to last that long. You know what I'm saying. If

1467
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 4: we get ten years out of them, that's a great career.

1468
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 4: He in the floor a lot too, you know. So

1469
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 4: their bones are just different. So for him when he

1470
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 4: takes injury, and it's usually to knee your foot, he's

1471
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 4: not able to exercise and keep his weight off. So

1472
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 4: the weight goes up and down is harder for your body,

1473
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 4: and I just think injuries happened like that.

1474
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 3: Tendons.

1475
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 4: Also, he's not a big he's not a big lifter.

1476
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 4: I think because he's he feels he's already strong, so

1477
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 4: he feels like he don't have to lift that much.

1478
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 4: I feel like if he actually lifted, but it's a lot,

1479
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 4: he probably really ridiculous, like security strong. But I think

1480
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 4: it would help some of the I think would help

1481
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 4: some of the tendons and some of the bones. But

1482
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 4: I don't know, you know, like us, we go back

1483
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 4: to old school practice. We felt like it helps him

1484
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 4: like as less injured when we practice. Maybe if they

1485
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 4: practice more it might help. But I think it's more

1486
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 4: because of the injuries that he has. It hurts his fluctuation.

1487
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 4: He's not able to stay consistent with his with his workout.

1488
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: Quick hitters. First thing to come to mind. Let us

1489
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: know toughest non All star you've guarded in your career.

1490
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 4: There's a couple of them, man, I want to say

1491
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 4: Jamal Crawford for sure of one of them.

1492
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 3: Swisch is one of them too. And there's random guys.

1493
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 4: Man said that there was just chasing Clay like players

1494
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 4: like Evan Fournier and JJ. Like those guys random random

1495
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 4: day Tuesday in Orlando. You gotta chase Evan fourgny, you know,

1496
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 4: But JJ was tough to chase. There was a couple

1497
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 4: of guys that were tough, man, But I'll probably have

1498
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 4: to give it up to the six men Lou Will.

1499
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 4: Those guys were killers, man, and a lot of those

1500
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 4: guys deserve to be All Stars. But when they came

1501
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 4: off that bench and you had to guard JR, Jamal.

1502
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: Or Lou those three are alone right there. All they

1503
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 1: come in to do is.

1504
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 4: With buckets, like you gotta guard him every possession and

1505
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 4: get possessions off.

1506
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 2: MJ, Kobe, Bron Rankle on the spot.

1507
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 4: My goat is MJ. I think Bron has the greatest

1508
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 4: career of all time. Yes, so I'm gonna go one

1509
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 4: and two MJ and then Bron. And it's tough to

1510
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 4: put cold three because but as I think, I appreciate

1511
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 4: him more when he stopped playing toward the end of

1512
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 4: his career. I think, you know, as young kid, always

1513
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 4: liked Mike so much. I thought Cole was just a imitation, Yeah,

1514
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 4: imitation of Mike, and it was like, oh, he's not Mike,

1515
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 4: you know, so I kind of I wanna say I

1516
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 4: hate it on him, but yeah, but I appreciate it

1517
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 4: more once I got the league, played against him, and

1518
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 4: then years seeing how many years he's played, and then

1519
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 4: after of seeing how his mind worked and his footwork unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: I think he probably the most skilled at all three. Yeah,

1521
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 4: he had the best footwork. Mike was just good. He

1522
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 4: did one move, you ain't stopping it.

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Speaker 3: Keep doing it.

1524
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 4: I'm gonna shoot sixty percent doing it. Letna get their

1525
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 4: freuth line. Cole probably the most skilled out of those three.

1526
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 5: What's what's somebody to the difference between Mike and Craigdreg Hodges.

1527
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 1: We had Craig Hodges. He said the difference is hands

1528
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: because he said Kobe would go shoot two free throws

1529
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: for everything Mike was making for and one's so Mike's

1530
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: hands was so much bigger, so Kobe would have to

1531
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: do it with two hands up. Michael moved that bitch

1532
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: on one hand and finish it. And it made.

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01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 2: A lot of.

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01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 4: A lot of sense, bro because quiet big you don't

1535
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 4: have to jump us how to get to that rim.

1536
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 4: And also you think you're in a safe space, would

1537
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 4: dribble like, oh, I'm comfortable if you get this.

1538
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: If you put it in, if you get down in

1539
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: your real triple threat, then big ass hands will come

1540
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: across everything and take everything everything like they.

1541
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 4: Can reach a position where you think it's comfortable, safe space.

1542
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 4: He's taking the ball man. So yeah, Mike, I think

1543
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 4: I think he's probably the reason why they do the

1544
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 4: hand testing.

1545
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: I think one album you could listen to with no skips.

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01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 4: We were talking about that. I talk a lot my

1547
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 4: friends about this all the time. There's I would say

1548
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 4: a lot of Drake the Weekend. I'm a big fan

1549
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 4: of but I'm more of a jay Z guy, and

1550
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 4: you know, New York rappers. So I was about to

1551
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 4: say New York game. We was talking about one of

1552
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 4: the best albums that we heard of. It's fifties. Fifties

1553
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 4: album You're.

1554
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 1: Richard try in the first one that it was hard classes.

1555
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 4: And it's like you you don't realize how good it was.

1556
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 4: So you play it back when you're older, like, yeah, everything,

1557
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 4: you can appreciate it. You can appreciate it. Yes, every

1558
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 4: So you're like, damn every one of these hits, like

1559
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 4: every single one of them.

1560
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 2: That's that sound.

1561
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 3: But I'm a big R and B guy.

1562
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 4: Now, okay, I like the younger. You know, it depends

1563
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 4: on the move. If I'm working out, I'm a dude.

1564
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 4: But I'm more of an R and B you know,

1565
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 4: laid back, chill, R.

1566
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 1: And B all day.

1567
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1568
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 5: I got a couple of neigs Gotta Die in, a

1569
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 5: couple of my songs, Guilty.

1570
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 3: Pleasure for Me, Sweets. I've tried to cut back over

1571
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 3: the year.

1572
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: Hey let me tell you one thing, bro, it's different

1573
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: now we're not running.

1574
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 3: Team real quick.

1575
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 4: I used to play so and I chucked step on

1576
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 4: the scale, and I'm like, damn, how the hell wear

1577
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 4: is it? You know, like, I don't think I'm out

1578
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 4: of shape. I make sure I'm in shape enough to

1579
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 4: wear a suit because you know, yeah, but uh, I

1580
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 4: stepped on the scales like two thirty, and I'm like,

1581
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 4: I played at like two twelve. Two fifteen gets on

1582
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 4: you quick, and I retired two months later. I was

1583
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 4: already two twenty five. I'm like, damn, ten to fifteen

1584
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 4: got that fast. And I'm like, I'm not even doing

1585
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 4: but I still do some workouts here and now run

1586
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 4: the sand dune next, especially to when you got kids,

1587
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 4: run much. You're not the same cardiom, you know. Yeah,

1588
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 4: so I stopped the dessert. I stopped. I cut back

1589
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 4: on candy, but I do more just desserts. But some

1590
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 4: some parts of y'all cut back. But it's hard for

1591
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 4: me to give.

1592
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: You know, my sign was just funny, you said, because

1593
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: I still have to fit suits.

1594
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 2: Bro.

1595
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 1: I was at the ESPN desk sometime with my my

1596
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: but my done because I'm not. I was like, man,

1597
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: I got to get back into childhood crush roasting.

1598
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 4: Oh man, there's a lot of them, you know, I

1599
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 4: used to I was a kid, you know, the j

1600
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 4: Low's trying to think.

1601
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 3: Who else comes to mind?

1602
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 4: Like some of the singers, like randomly you say a

1603
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 4: Shawn Tea or something like that.

1604
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 3: Not Lathan was one of them, but like there was

1605
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 3: one that was consistent. I used to watch.

1606
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 4: I watch a lot of shows, TV shows, and one

1607
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 4: of my favorites I watched a lot of Seinfeld, but

1608
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 4: Friends was like Jenniferiston was, it was tough.

1609
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 2: She was one of them.

1610
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 3: Rachel Green was.

1611
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 1: Who is the best leader you ever played with?

1612
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 2: Danny Timmy?

1613
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: Now I have a question though, Was he a leader

1614
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 1: by example, a vocal everything both?

1615
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 4: I just don't think people seeing they don't. You don't

1616
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 4: see the vocal as much because they know him as

1617
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 4: to be quiet. But he's not as quiet as you think.

1618
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 4: In the locker room, he speaks. He lets you in

1619
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 4: them timeouts, he's letting you know what's going on. But

1620
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 4: he's encouraging. Like I've had great players, like said, I

1621
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 4: love playing with James and Joelle, but you could tell

1622
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 4: they're not. They don't know how to talk to certain

1623
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 4: guys a certain way. Your person know how to approach guys,

1624
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 4: and you can't approach everybody the same way, right, And

1625
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 4: Timmy figured out it's pretty much kind.

1626
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 3: Of like a coach.

1627
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 4: That's what the coach does, right, managing egos and how

1628
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 4: to figure out how to talk to this player, how

1629
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 4: to get through this guy.

1630
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 3: So Timmy was was.

1631
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 4: That and he knew how to get through to everybody

1632
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 4: to where it was, you know, encouraging at the same

1633
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 4: time and being the leader.

1634
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 3: So Bron, Bron's a close second.

1635
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 5: But yeah, Timmy, tim was the only only superstar I

1636
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 5: played with that was standing. Was the biggest cheerleader on

1637
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 5: the sideline.

1638
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 3: He didn't care to be a superstar.

1639
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 5: He won in the game like I played with like

1640
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 5: you know, Jermaine o'nill, and I ain't saying they didn't.

1641
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 5: But tim was up every play. I'm talking about every play,

1642
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 5: cheering on the team bro every play. That's the only

1643
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 5: and the caliber play was all the other caliber players.

1644
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 5: You really didn't see that from God said.

1645
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 1: Fifteen time All Star, fifteen time first Team All NBA,

1646
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 1: fifteen time First Team All Defense. He's the only one

1647
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 1: ever to do that. It's wald nuts.

1648
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 5: I've seen get Crafty, quadriple double games, six I've never

1649
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 5: seen it.

1650
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, he do something.

1651
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 4: You look at the boxer like, damn, Timmy had thirty

1652
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 4: and what fifteen, he's thirty eight, Like he was doing it.

1653
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 4: And he said, Danny, well, we appreciate your time. Making

1654
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 4: was one of those whom is man, These were my best.

1655
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 4: I'm not with Puma anymore right now. I'm telling you

1656
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 4: got some shit over it. But uh, yeah, man, we

1657
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:18,680
Speaker 4: got some gifts for you.

1658
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 1: We got our coffee table book merch.

1659
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate you.

1660
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 1: Appreciate you now, but thank you again. Congratulations on your career.

1661
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 1: Good luck, you know, with with that fatherhood and all

1662
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: the blessings.

1663
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 2: That phrase space.

1664
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and in the media space say flight today and man,

1665
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 1: that's your wrap, Danny Green. You can catch some other

1666
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 1: Spoke productions YouTube and the Draft Kings Network. See y'all

1667
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 1: next week. M