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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with

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Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody. Pre recording from the Home Bunker. So, folks,

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Speaker 1: of the time of this recording, Donald Trump has yet

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Speaker 1: to be indicted for a third time, and so we

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Speaker 1: remain on indictment Watch. And I just got to pull

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Speaker 1: back for a second, because I tell you that all

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Speaker 1: of this shit has just become way too normalized for us.

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Speaker 1: That a former president of the United States twice in

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Speaker 1: peach president of the United States who's been found guilty

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Speaker 1: of defamation and rape, a person that has stolen documents

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Speaker 1: from the federal government and refused to return them. Somebody

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Speaker 1: who made a phone call that said, hey, find me

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Speaker 1: eleven thousand, two hundred and seventy some odd votes. A

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Speaker 1: person that has use their broke down fucking Twitter in

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Speaker 1: order to harass and degrade and defame regular just poll

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Speaker 1: workers who wanted to do good by their community. That

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Speaker 1: we're on indictment Watch number three, and frankly, by the

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Speaker 1: end of the summer beginning of fall, he could have

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Speaker 1: been indicted for a fourth time. Because we have also

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Speaker 1: have eyes on Fannie Willis in Georgia, and as we

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Speaker 1: continue to talk about these things. I think it is

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Speaker 1: important to remind ourselves that this shit should not be normal.

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Speaker 1: And the fact that Kevin McCarthy, with his Fisher Price gabble,

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Speaker 1: is sitting around pontificating on whether or not he's going

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Speaker 1: to open up an impeachment inquiry into Joe Biden for

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Speaker 1: no other reason but to appease his master Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: just shows you how degraded our politics have become. And

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Speaker 1: so I understand when people are like, I'm done and

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Speaker 1: I want to turn off from this, But it is

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Speaker 1: more important than ever that we pay attention to what

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Speaker 1: is happening. Just this week, Greg Abbott down in Texas

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Speaker 1: has decided that guess what he's gonna do as governor.

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Speaker 1: He's reading all public schools of libraries. What is he

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Speaker 1: putting in their place detention centers. So when we say

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Speaker 1: that these motherfuckers are fascists, that they are authoritarians, look

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Speaker 1: at what they are doing to our public schools. Because

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Speaker 1: who will this affect Because white people with means will

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Speaker 1: pull their children out of public schools, which is what

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Speaker 1: the Republicans have wanted, which is why they've been defunding

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Speaker 1: public education for the last several decades, they'll pull their

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Speaker 1: kids out, and the ones that will be subjected to

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Speaker 1: the lies right and to the discipline will be black

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Speaker 1: and brown children. Folks, this set up and the rig

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Speaker 1: is in, and it's up to all of us to

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Speaker 1: pay attention. Coming up next, my conversation with friend of

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Speaker 1: the show Gentobb, our friend and lawyer who we look

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Speaker 1: to to kind of help us understand the legal woes

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Speaker 1: that Donald Trump is facing and the legal woes the

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Speaker 1: nation is facing because of our grifting ass illegal Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: That conversation is coming up next, Folks. I am always

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Speaker 1: so happy when one of my friends, fellow nerd Avenger,

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Speaker 1: just fellow colleague in the space who loses their mind

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Speaker 1: a regular bathists try to keep drek with the news cycle.

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Speaker 1: Gentob joins wo k F daily. You know her. She's

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Speaker 1: a law professor and the author of Big Dirty Money

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Speaker 1: and Other People's Houses, and she is the host of

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Speaker 1: booked Up with Gentobb Again, Danielle, Where to begin in

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Speaker 1: all honesty in the legal landscape or minefield that is

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Speaker 1: America these days? But because I don't have my medication present,

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Speaker 1: let's not talk about the Supreme Court, shall we. Let's

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Speaker 1: just talk about the Donald Trump. But so here's what

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Speaker 1: we know. Judge Alien Cannon who should have recused herself

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Speaker 1: but didn't and is still overseeing Jack Smith's documents case

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Speaker 1: against Donald Trump. Folks, I know that there are so

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Speaker 1: many cases, so it's hard to keep track, but let

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Speaker 1: us start with the document's case has set a court

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Speaker 1: date for May twenty fourth, I believe twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: So five twenty four, twenty four. Ha ha on usu, Jen,

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Speaker 1: what do you make Aileen Cannons moves thus far? Uh

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Speaker 1: way of Jack Smith because he said he was ready

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Speaker 1: But but where what are you thinking so far about

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Speaker 1: her moves and then the timing of this trial.

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Speaker 2: Well, in my past life, Danielle, like I don't know,

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Speaker 2: find the silver lining in the storm cloud that Eileen

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Speaker 2: Cannon has created for the future of democracy because May

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Speaker 2: twenty four, twenty twenty four, there's only one good two

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Speaker 2: be done teaching. So if that's going to take over

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Speaker 2: that's the one good thing, hardly enough to recommend the date.

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Speaker 2: But the other good thing is it is so far

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Speaker 2: out there as a preliminary date that I'm hoping that

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Speaker 2: Jack Smith is ready to go on the insurrection case

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Speaker 2: on the January sixth case, that we expect to be

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Speaker 2: sees it as perfect timing. There's no In other words,

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Speaker 2: the reason why, as you know, that the Justice Department

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Speaker 2: that will not be the case in the January sixth indictment,

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Speaker 2: you know. And I think the Justice Department has brought

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Speaker 2: hundreds of cases involving the rioters and has already the

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Speaker 2: attack on the Capitol. They have done incredible amounts of

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Speaker 2: May twenty fourth is it gives the opportunity a wide

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Speaker 2: open field to bring the most important case again, this

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Speaker 2: if there I am hoping he asks for October or

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, we have a couple of things that

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Speaker 1: But he seems to be doing the same exact things

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Speaker 1: giving him once again all just the free press that

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Speaker 1: So tell me how these kinds of things can be

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Speaker 2: I think, once there is an indictment, assuming there is one,

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Speaker 2: and there's a judge assigned that judge can issue in

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Speaker 2: theory a kind of gag order related to specifically making

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Speaker 2: I would say incitement activity. And the question is, you know,

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Speaker 2: You know, the the he's gotten away with so much,

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Speaker 2: the second case, even though it went first. And there

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Speaker 2: were things that you know, the Donald Trump was doing

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Speaker 2: stand by kind of language actually creating violence. I remain

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Speaker 2: a little bit less concerned because when he was indicted

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Speaker 2: the first federal grand jury indictment, we didn't see that

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Speaker 2: much support for him around the courthouse in Florida. Now

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Speaker 2: they may not come and also they may themselves not

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Speaker 1: You know, the thing is, I wasn't stating that as

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Speaker 1: It was really about whether or not the prosecution can

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Speaker 1: show a pattern of behavior and did, Yeah, a pattern

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Speaker 1: you could have yeah, because my thought was if Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: an isolated event. But over the last few years, since

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Speaker 1: January sixth, we've watched Donald Trump continue to use social

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Speaker 1: media as a way to either virtually assault people, right,

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Speaker 1: make them a target in an attack, the same way

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Speaker 1: that he did with the voting staff in uh in Georgia. Right.

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Speaker 1: And so my question really is like, how is the process?

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Speaker 1: How do you feel how can the prosecution use Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump's continued behavior or there for their case.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so it's more of a legal analysis that you're

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Speaker 2: they if the prosecution wants to bring in evidence like

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Speaker 2: and our rules of federal rules of evidence is, first

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Speaker 2: And what's super interesting is when you say organized crime ring,

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Speaker 2: given opportunity for overturning a lawful election. We're talking about

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Speaker 2: fourteen years for each of these offenses. There's like one, two, three, four,

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Speaker 2: or five, like six different felonies here in several accounts each.

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Speaker 2: To my hope is that other states, not just Georgia

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Speaker 2: that they're not going to wait around for the federal government.

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Speaker 2: Jacksonith's obviously very busy at this point, and whatever else

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Speaker 2: he's not working on, I wouldn't leave it to Merrick

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Speaker 2: Garland and hopefully they step up.

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Speaker 1: I mean, but isn't that just a fucking travesty that, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, in Merrick Garland's attempt to not play politics

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Speaker 1: to restore integrity into an institution, That's exactly what he's

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Speaker 1: been doing. That's exactly what he's done. And what we

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Speaker 1: know to be true is that if Donald Trump had

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Speaker 1: not announced his run for reelection, then Merrick Garland would

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Speaker 1: have done absolutely nothing.

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Speaker 2: You know, if it weren't for I think the biggest

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Speaker 2: in addition to that, one hundred percent agree, I think

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Speaker 2: the biggest game changer was the testimony of Cassidy Hutchinson's

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Speaker 2: And yet again, you know, look, there's you know, people

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Speaker 2: who are closest to the activity, who don't have fancy

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Speaker 2: titles always know what's going on in this world. But

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Speaker 2: here she is, this young woman, and not only did

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Speaker 2: they not take her seriously, they tried to destroy her,

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Speaker 2: you know, afterward. And you know, my question for you is,

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Speaker 2: why did she go Why did her lawyers when they

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Speaker 2: decided to seek her own counsel, why did they feel

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Speaker 2: safe going to the commission, and why did they not

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Speaker 2: go to the Justice Department first? And there's a reason. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because I you know, and I don't know. I I

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Speaker 2: have a lot, you know, I'm very disappointed. I you know,

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Speaker 2: as you know, I believe a special counsel should have

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Speaker 2: been appointed right away at the outset. But we're where

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Speaker 2: we are. But if there had been a special counsel

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Speaker 2: appointed the minute Merrick Garland was sworn in in March

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty one, we may have actually had some

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Speaker 2: trials by now. This is ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: That's not what they that's not that's not what they wanted,

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Speaker 1: and that's not what he wanted.

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Speaker 2: But we're really it's a terrible situation for the country

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Speaker 2: to be in. You know, I'm not someone who's who's

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Speaker 2: happy that Donald Trump is going to most likely be

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Speaker 2: the candidate for the Republican Party, because they all know

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Speaker 2: the only way that he can win is if there's

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Speaker 2: a third party candidate. I mean, that's how Bill Clinton won.

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Speaker 2: Ross Perow was there. It's very hard, even under normal circumstances,

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Speaker 2: for anyone to either party to win the presidential election

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Speaker 2: the way that the electoral College is set up, in

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Speaker 2: the way our country has always been divided, and now

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Speaker 2: we're in a real danger of Donald Trump being re elected.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I blame that on the Justice Department

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Speaker 2: because and I'm not saying it because this is not

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Speaker 2: a partisan issue. I'm saying someone who tried to overthrow

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Speaker 2: the election should not be running again. And that is

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Speaker 2: if you don't if you don't understand that, then you

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Speaker 2: really don't know what you're doing in your job. And

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Speaker 2: I don't understand how that was in his priority day one.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, that is a that is a question that I

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Speaker 1: don't think we'll ever have an answer to, my friend,

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Speaker 1: but we will have to leave it here today. Genob,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for making the time to join

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Speaker 1: wo KF read some tea leaves with me here because

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Speaker 1: Lord only knows what's coming. But I'm sure it's not good.

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Speaker 1: But but I'm sure we'll have you back to unpack

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Speaker 1: it all when it does come to fruition.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad that you say that, because it's nothing good.

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Speaker 2: It's going to happen in this space if something even small,

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Speaker 2: even the essence of something good, I guess yeah that

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Speaker 2: I can you know, have a little a little rejoicing. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: oh we'll see.

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Speaker 1: That is it for me today? Dear friends on Woke

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Speaker 1: a f as always Power to the people and to

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Speaker 1: all the people power, Get woke and stay woke as

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Speaker 1: fun