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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffer, joined as always

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Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague West and Hodkitz, who actually has

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Speaker 1: Vince Lombardi behind him just like I do. As we

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Speaker 1: come to you from different locations here at Lanmbelfield and Wes.

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Speaker 1: We are told, and we've been being allowed to say

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Speaker 1: this on the show, that this is the last zoom

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Speaker 1: episode of Unscripted. We will be back in the studio

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Speaker 1: with new cameras and a whole new setup and everything

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Speaker 1: for our next show. But for now here we are.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, Vince is in your background as well as mine.

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Speaker 1: That's actually kind of cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. And the Lombardi Show you can

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Speaker 2: call this one. No, I mean, the thing about it is,

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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously we're in a big transition right now

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Speaker 2: to work off of each other and have that real

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Speaker 2: inner per dialogue, this past like four or five months

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Speaker 2: kind of brought me back to COVID a little bit.

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Speaker 2: When I'm sitting in my attic and you're sitting in

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Speaker 2: your living room or your office, whatever it was, and

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Speaker 2: kind of just making this whole thing work. But you know,

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Speaker 2: the beautiful thing about.

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Speaker 1: It, we figure it out as we go, right.

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Speaker 2: The beautiful thing about is we have some incredible microphones.

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Speaker 2: So for the people that actually just listen to this

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Speaker 2: But I certainly am looking forward to being back and

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Speaker 2: doing these things up close and personal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, for this episode we posted, we recorded and

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Speaker 1: posted a little bit early because we needed to get

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Speaker 1: this done prior to all of the news that is

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Speaker 1: going to happen on Tuesday, Tuesday afternoon with regard to

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Speaker 1: the roster reductions, and we will get to some thoughts

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Speaker 1: outlining that in a minute, but first to recap the

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Speaker 1: Packers pre season finale against the Seattle Seahawks wes the

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Speaker 1: final tune up for the starters, and of course, in

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Speaker 1: that regard, most of the attention all month long has

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Speaker 1: been on Jordan Love and the offense. That's where so

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Speaker 1: much youth on the Green Bay Packers resides. And for

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Speaker 1: the third straight game, Jordan Love and the number one

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Speaker 1: some things could have gone a little bit better, a

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Speaker 1: little bit smoother. But to score a touchdown in each

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Speaker 1: that's not a bad way to go into the regular season.

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Speaker 2: And to end, you know, and all those games feeling

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Speaker 2: pretty good about yourself. I mean, it went from Cincinnati

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Speaker 2: was like, oh, the offense got better today. I felt like,

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Speaker 2: you know, one of the arguments I made for playing

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Speaker 2: love and the starters in these games was the ability

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Speaker 2: to maximize the reps afforded to you during training camp,

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Speaker 2: and we said from day one, Mike, the Packers needed

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Speaker 2: every single one of them they can get, whether it's

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Speaker 2: the public practices, the private practices, any of them. This

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Speaker 2: go about doing. So I really look at it, as

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Speaker 2: you know, fifteen plays, eighty yards, talking to Christian Watson

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Speaker 2: on that series that make me feel really confident about

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Speaker 2: where the Packers are heading. Offensively, it's vanilla defenses, Mike,

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Speaker 2: But as we talk about, if you don't move the

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Speaker 2: The Packers were able to do that. They did it

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Speaker 2: with a left tackle and Rashid Walker, who had played

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Speaker 2: the blind side of Jordan Love. Well, David Baktiari sits

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Speaker 2: out of the preseason game. You did it with Patrick

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Speaker 2: it with Malik Heath, an undrafted free agent, catching a

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Speaker 2: I thought, for Jordan Love's final audition here before we

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think the Packers offense feels pretty

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Speaker 1: Week one. But in your last comment you mentioned two

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a cliche meteoric rise, but I'll say

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Speaker 1: We know this is a young receiving corps. There were

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Speaker 1: their rise individually up the depth chart at their respective

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and it's starting off with Walker. I asked, you know,

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Speaker 2: quantum leap that Walker made and the story I keep

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Speaker 2: telling people, Mike, if you go back to the twenty

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Speaker 2: again we're gonna post this, We're gonna see how everything

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Speaker 2: I don't think, really, Milie Heath could have done much

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Speaker 2: For a guy that came in as a backdoor college

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Well, another question I want to throw your way

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Speaker 1: So the twenty twenty three draft class for the Packers,

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Speaker 1: which draft pick impressed you the most over the past month.

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Speaker 2: Luke Musgrave, just because I thought the strides he made

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Speaker 2: going to be asked to fill a really pivotal role

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Speaker 2: you're going to see number eighty eight quite a bit.

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Speaker 2: And I felt like the Packers that you know, they

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Speaker 2: made an investment towards the future, the highest they've drafted

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Speaker 2: when they took Musgrave at number forty two, and you

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Speaker 2: you saw all the things that fit with him. But

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Speaker 2: I like the grind that he kind of was on

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Speaker 2: I thought impressed me the most in terms of what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and my selection with regard to this is actually

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Speaker 1: the second round, and it's it's Jayden Reid, the wide

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Speaker 1: They tried Amari Rodgers as a draft pick, they tried

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Speaker 1: They've tried different guys in that slot role. Obviously Randall

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Speaker 1: I think Jaden Reid is going to play just as

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well we'll take a further look at where things

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Speaker 1: Love Yeah, and the other interesting piece to watch too. Now,

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Speaker 1: sometimes things happen, sometimes they don't, But this year the

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Speaker 1: Packers are the highest They've been in the waiver claim

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Speaker 1: order at this time of year since twenty nineteen, which

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Speaker 1: a non playoff season. So that's how you get that's

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Speaker 1: how you end up higher in the waiver claim order. Now,

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Speaker 1: back in twenty nineteen, the Packers didn't actually claim anybody

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Speaker 1: higher up in the order. We will see if that

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Speaker 1: I believe the Packers are. That's you know, that's a

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Speaker 1: very different spot than when you're you know, twenty sixth

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Speaker 1: certain players become available. So another thing to watch, and

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Speaker 1: there will be a lot of both with the waiver process,

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Speaker 1: the practice squad signings. There will be a lot of

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Speaker 1: roster machinations between now and Wednesday afternoon, and then, as

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Speaker 1: you just alluded to with Chris Barnes and situations like that,

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Speaker 1: maybe somebody gets activated to the fifty three, you know,

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Speaker 1: a constantly fluid situation. As Brian Gudokun says, roster building,

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Speaker 1: roster management is a twenty four to seven, three sixty

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Speaker 1: five thing. Just so happens that these next couple of

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Speaker 2: Two things, Michael quickly. One, will the Chicago Bears claim

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Speaker 2: six players again this year? We'll wait and see. There

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Speaker 2: the world stands in suspense. But two, Chris Barnes will

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Speaker 2: forever go down to me as the cheekiest move the

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Speaker 2: Packers have made here in the last twenty five years,

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Speaker 2: because not only did they cut him, they kept Kamal

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Speaker 2: Martin so that Martin could be designated to return because

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Speaker 2: he was gonna be help with basically the first half

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Speaker 2: of the season. They re signed Chris Barnes then, and

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Speaker 2: then he was the mike linebacker in that game starts

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Speaker 2: that next Sunday against the Minnesota Vikings. Things that were

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Speaker 2: only made possible thanks to the COVID pandemic. I doubt

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Speaker 2: there's any way that would have ever worked out otherwise.

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Speaker 2: There had been too much, too much of Chris Barnes

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Speaker 2: out there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. If Chris Barnes plays preseason games as an

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Speaker 1: undrafted rookie in twins starting, yeah, he he probably does

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Speaker 1: not clear waivers. But the Packers were the only ones

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Speaker 1: who had any film on him. They had him in practice,

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Speaker 1: they knew what they had. There were no preseason games

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Speaker 1: in the COVID year. So when Chris Barnes' name is

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Speaker 1: out there on the waiver where he was just a name,

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Speaker 1: you know, there was names, nobody, nobody knew anything about him.

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Speaker 1: And but you're right, that was a that was a

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Speaker 1: clever little move the Packers pulled a few years back.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see what We'll see what Brian Gudukunst has

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Speaker 1: in his back pocket this time around.

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Speaker 2: And I'm cheering for Chris. He's down in Arizona. It

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Speaker 2: sounded like he had a pretty productive preseason, so hopefully

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Speaker 2: things work out for him down there. Packers got really

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Speaker 2: deep at inside back in the last couple of years.

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Speaker 2: But I definitely believe that Chris Barnes is still an

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would. I would certainly agree with that. So

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Speaker 1: with that, we will call it a rap on the

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Speaker 1: sedition of Packers Unscript it'd be sure to follow all

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Speaker 1: of our coverage of the team. By the time we

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Speaker 1: do the next show, we will know what the roster is,

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Speaker 1: we should know what the practice squad is, and we'll

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Speaker 1: be looking ahead to where things are headed in week

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Speaker 1: one and hopefully Wes and I will be you know,

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Speaker 1: in closer proximity. So thank you for tuning in everybody.

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Speaker 1: We will see you next time.