1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: I Am six forty. 2 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John and Ken Show on demand 3 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio app. He's a lion dog faced pony soldier. 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: You're a line dog face pony soldier. He's a lion 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: dog faced pony soldier. You're a line dog face pony solder. 6 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: It's gonna catch on, I really do. Joe, you're a 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: line dog face pony soldier. You know you want to 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: call somebody out. 9 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 3: We should say that about the Hacks, a lie and 10 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 3: everybody else in politics. Just call him a lion dog 11 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 3: face pony soldier. 12 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: It's hip lion dog face. 13 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 3: Johnny Kent showed k I Am six forty. We are 14 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 3: live everywhere in the iHeartRadio app. John has some time off. 15 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 3: Of course, Biden was a liar. We told you earlier 16 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 3: in the show that he appeared in Alaska on the 17 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 3: nine to eleven anniversary and claimed he was at ground 18 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 3: zero the day after nine to eleven in two thousand 19 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 3: and one, but apparently his autobiography says he was in Washington, 20 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 3: d C. But anyway, he too is a lying dog 21 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 3: face pony soldier. Speaking of which politicians who were lying 22 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 3: dog face pony soldiers. 23 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: We have another. 24 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 3: Chapter in the saga of former Los Angeles County politician 25 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 3: Mark Ridley Thomas. Margaret Lee Thomas, of course has been 26 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 3: politics way too long. He served in the Sacramento and 27 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 3: then he was on the city Council. They went to 28 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,919 Speaker 3: the Board of Supervisors and I back to the city council. 29 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 3: Maybe I have the order wrong, but anyway, while he 30 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 3: was recently on the city council, he got charged by 31 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 3: the FEDS in a corruption case involving USC School of 32 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 3: Social Work steering contracts their way in order for his 33 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 3: son Sebastian to get some benefits from USC through a nonprofit. 34 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 3: Money that was funneled through USC to the nonprofit, which 35 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 3: eventually ended up in the pocket of Sebastian. Ridley Thomas, 36 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 3: his co defendant. The woman that was running the School 37 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 3: of Social Work, pled guilty. I got probation. She's an 38 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 3: older woman, but. 39 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: Basically she was like, yeah, you caught us. 40 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 3: Not so for Ridley Thomas, US, who has raised millions 41 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 3: in his defense, went to trial, lost and eventually got 42 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 3: a prison term from the judge of three years and 43 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 3: six months. He is scheduled to report to federal prison 44 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 3: on November thirteenth, a week after he turns sixty nine 45 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 3: years old. And apparently the update is that he intends 46 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 3: to appeal this to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. 47 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 3: Let's talk to defense attorney Lou Shapiro, who give us 48 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 3: the legal side of these happenings for market Lee Thomas, 49 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 3: welcome back to the show, Lou. 50 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 4: Thank you. Whatever you do, please don't call me a 51 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 4: lying dogface and the rest of. 52 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 3: That as a pony soldier. You don't watch old John 53 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 3: Wayne movies. No, anyway, were you expecting this? 54 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean at sentencing he would not really Thomas 55 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 4: would not take responsibility for doing anything criminal. He said, 56 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 4: I'm not going to concede the fact that I did 57 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 4: anything unlawful. Was Were there airrors of judgment that I made? Yes, 58 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 4: with the appearance of impropriety looking at hindsight, yes, but 59 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 4: it wasn't illegal. And his lawyer said that we will 60 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,679 Speaker 4: be appealing this case. And in fact, they filed a 61 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 4: motion for a new trial at that time, outlining probably 62 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 4: what will be the main arguments on appeal. 63 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 3: They went first to the judge. Did they not try 64 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 3: to get him to consider their arguments? And he turned 65 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 3: them down right. 66 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 4: Right it's very common. You do it in every case 67 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 4: if you lose, to file a motion for new trial. 68 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 4: It's kind of strange because you're asking basically the judge 69 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 4: that presided over the case to undo everything that's you know, 70 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 4: was done the past few weeks. So they usually just 71 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 4: are known not to fall into fears. 72 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is US District Judge Dale Fisher. Well, I 73 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 3: mean there could be an occasion, because there are sometimes 74 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 3: judges that set aside verdicts, right, Lou, That does happen, Right. 75 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 4: It happens from time to time, but it's rare. 76 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: It's rare. 77 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,839 Speaker 3: So the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals this, that would 78 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 3: be the next step after the judge. 79 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: Then there's no intermediate receptions. 80 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 4: This is a federal case, right, So the Ninth Circuit 81 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 4: is the next step up in the federal appeal court 82 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 4: process system. And the Ninth Circuit is known to be 83 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 4: very liberal, very pro defendant. If you had to appeal 84 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 4: a case on the defense side, the Ninth Circuit is 85 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 4: generally where you want to be. So you may have 86 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 4: some arguments on appeal and if you want to go 87 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 4: into them, we can I can outline for you what 88 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 4: his main arguments will be all right. 89 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 3: I want to ask you this first though, Is this 90 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 3: really more about delaying his reporting to prison, because it's possible, 91 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 3: and it says the judge in this case would have 92 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,359 Speaker 3: to make a decision as to whether or not he 93 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 3: can avoid reporting to prison until this appeals process is over. 94 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: Is that right right? 95 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 4: So delaying going to prison is always a first step 96 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 4: in a case like this. You want to drag this 97 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 4: out as long as you can in order to give 98 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 4: yourself the most time to appeal, gather the best arguments, 99 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 4: maybe bring on other attorneys. But there's a point that 100 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 4: a lot of people aren't speaking about what you're touching on, 101 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 4: which is that he might be seeking the commutation or 102 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 4: pardon from the Biden administration, and therefore, before you know, 103 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 4: Biden leaves the presidency, whether it's on this round or 104 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 4: the next round. If really Thomas can extend his appeal 105 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 4: process for enough time and get Biden to pardon him 106 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 4: or commuter sentence, well that's also a victory for him. 107 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 3: No, I didn't even think of that, good one, Lou. 108 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 3: I didn't even know that angle was in there too. 109 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 4: Well, think about it, really, Thomas fits the bill for 110 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 4: someone to be commuted. Right, he has a lifelong record 111 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 4: of community service aside from this incident here, he had 112 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 4: one hundred supporters with them at sentencing. He's connected in government. 113 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 4: It's nobody got physically hurt in this case. He has 114 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 4: no other record. It wouldn't surprise me, with his connections 115 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 4: and his good character history that he could get Biden's ear, 116 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 4: get the administration to do something kind for him before 117 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 4: Biden leaves the presidency. 118 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: All right, so what grounds do you think he has 119 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: for appeal and are they strong. 120 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 4: Defense? Words are saying that his grounds for appeal are 121 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 4: basically the fact that there was nothing explicitly done to 122 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 4: show that this was an agreed upon bride. Generally, you 123 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 4: have an email, you have a phone call, you have 124 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 4: some direct evidence that shows if you do this for me, 125 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,799 Speaker 4: I'll do this for you. And in this case, as always, 126 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 4: are saying there's no real evidence of it. If they're 127 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 4: saying the government basically tried to reverse engineer a bribe, 128 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 4: connecting dots and saying they are doing too much in 129 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 4: terms of trying to infer an intent to bribe when 130 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 4: really there was no bride, and furthers of that, they're 131 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 4: saying that really Thomas wasn't the only one that voted 132 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 4: on this government contract that went to s see. Other 133 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 4: people voted along with him, and he would have voted 134 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 4: regardless of his son getting this position at SC or not. 135 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 4: So those are the basic arguments. It's just not clear cut. 136 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 4: He was convicted on a reverse engineering prosecution and it's 137 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 4: not fair to him and his family. 138 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 3: On your first point, lou I thought that there were 139 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 3: emails and messages between him and this woman at the 140 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 3: School of Social Work where basically you were an ink, wink, wink, 141 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 3: not nod, thank you very much. Okay, It looked like 142 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 3: that was kind of the quid pro quo evidence there 143 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 3: of a deal. 144 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 4: Right, So there were these these emails that alluded to, oh, 145 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 4: this is great news, I'm looking forward to doing this, 146 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 4: But there was there was not a direct if you 147 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 4: do X, I'll do Y that that never was presented. 148 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 4: And that's why they had to get the code defendant 149 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 4: when your referenced to basically take a deal and testify 150 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 4: and say yeah, this was the understanding between us. Because 151 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 4: they didn't have anything recorded, they didn't have anything black 152 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 4: and white that showed this is going to be a bride. 153 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 4: Here's how the deal is going to go. I'm going 154 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 4: to send money to see You're going to bring my 155 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 4: son on. You're going to pay them a salary. Money 156 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 4: is going to go to this nonprofit. It just wasn't 157 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 4: that clear cut. The dots had to be connected by 158 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 4: the prosecution for the jury, and you were talking to 159 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 4: he was a quit of several counts. 160 00:07:58,240 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: He was. Yes. 161 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 3: So we're talking about Marilyn in the a four year 162 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 3: old former dean, and she pled guilty to bribing Ridley Thomas, 163 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 3: which even though she did not testify lou but apparently 164 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 3: the fact that she did plead guilty to this essentially 165 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 3: bribing Ridley Thomas, would be a pretty good clue that 166 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 3: that's what was going on between them. 167 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 4: Right, And that was the whole key for the prosecution today. 168 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 4: As long as we can get this person to plead 169 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 4: guilty and this person you know, and then we can 170 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 4: run with this narrative that we have a guilty plea 171 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 4: on the other side, well, if it takes two to 172 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 4: tango and he's the second person now, but keep in mind, 173 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 4: though she pled guilty, she got a probationary sentence. She 174 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 4: got off really easy on this one. Obviously her age 175 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 4: played into it as well, I'm sure. But people take 176 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 4: deal of all the time. That's what the defense will 177 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 4: will argue on to feel like, you know, people take 178 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 4: deals for all sorts of reasons. It's not fair to 179 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 4: just to infer guilty Ridley Thomas because she took a 180 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 4: deal that spared her any prison times. 181 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think that the thought was that Ridley 182 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 3: Thomas was the bigger criminal here because he was the politician, 183 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 3: he was in charge of the tax payer money. 184 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: He was more culpable I think in this bride deal. 185 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely he was the big fish, so to speak. 186 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 3: Sure, all right, Lu, thank you very much for your input. 187 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 3: Appreciate always good to have you on. 188 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 4: You got to look out for that commutation you heard 189 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 4: it here first. 190 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that idea. I don't like that idea, 191 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 3: but I think that's very good possibility. That's Lu Shapiro 192 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 3: defense attorney the Johnny Kent Show, and he is not 193 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 3: a lying. 194 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: Dogface pony soldier. 195 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 3: But anyway, that's what Mark Lee Thomas tried to say 196 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 3: in his defense, and I think it was part of 197 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 3: his statements upon sentencing that oh. 198 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: It was a bad judgment. On my part. 199 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 3: A lot of it centers around one hundred thousand dollars 200 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 3: that was funneled through USC to reach his son, and 201 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 3: I think the jury spent a lot of time examining 202 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 3: that and thought that was definitely evidence of a bribe, 203 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 3: and in return USC got this contract to the La 204 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 3: County Board of Supervisors. 205 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: But you heard lu. 206 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 3: Say he thinks there's a chance that eventually Joe Biden, 207 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 3: because he's a federal case, pardon or commutation of Ridley 208 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 3: Thomas's sentence. Hope not, but it could happen. Johnny Kens 209 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 3: Show I Am six forty Live everywhere iHeartRadio app. 210 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 211 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:13,359 Speaker 5: AM six forty. 212 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: Coming up after three point thirty. 213 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 3: There's a lot of bizarre bills making their way through Sacramento. 214 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 3: A busy week because they're leaving after Friday for some 215 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 3: well deserved time off. Remember, for years we pushed for 216 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 3: a part time legislature. I mean they do get a 217 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 3: lot of time off anyway, but this legislature should get 218 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 3: the whole year off because basically what they push through 219 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 3: are ridiculous bills. 220 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 1: Really told you that the Skittles bill apparently has made 221 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: its way through. 222 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 3: The one we'll be talking about after the news at 223 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 3: three point thirty concerns your electricity bill and the idea that, 224 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 3: in addition to you being charged for your usage, which 225 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 3: makes sense, there'll be a fixed fee on your bill 226 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 3: based on your income. Nothing to do with your usage, 227 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 3: your income, which they're going to have to look up. 228 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 3: The utilities are unhappy about this. Some Republicans in Sacramento, 229 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 3: there is five or six of them, tried to stop this. 230 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 3: They were unsuccessful. We'll be talking to State Senator Brian Jones, 231 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 3: he's the minority leader for the Republicans and the state Senate. 232 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 3: It's from San Diego. He'll be talking to me after 233 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 3: three point thirty about and we've been on this since 234 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 3: we first became aware of it. 235 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: Apparently snuck it in in like a. 236 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 3: Budget trailer bill, the idea that these big utilities would 237 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 3: have to start charging you a fixed fee based on 238 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 3: your household income. And you'll find out how much that 239 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 3: is two per month, and it is outrageous. 240 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:41,959 Speaker 1: Oh, you know what we like. 241 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 3: To talk about the homeless industrial complex, and that of 242 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 3: course is all the money that goes down the drain 243 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 3: because it's being passed around between politicians and nonprofits and 244 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 3: developers to quote solve the homeless problem. How about the 245 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 3: rehab industrial complex. Yeah, of course there's a big belief, 246 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 3: and they sold us to it many times over. The 247 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 3: most recent proposition forty seven, the idea that we don't 248 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,839 Speaker 3: want to send people to prison, and we're going to 249 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 3: save money by not sending them to prison, and we're 250 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 3: going to make sure they're rehabilitated. The old alternatives to 251 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 3: incarceration the state is a program called STOP. That's the 252 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 3: acronym specialized treatment for optimized programming. 253 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's horrible. 254 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 3: Anyway, turns out that with this program they gave out 255 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 3: money to a nonprofit called All Hands on Deck. What 256 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 3: was All Hands on Deck supposed to do? Well, that's 257 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 3: an organization, a quote nonprofit that was supposed to take 258 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 3: in paroles and help get them on the right track again, 259 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 3: house them, give them guidance, help them get a job, rehabilitation. Well, 260 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 3: the big story, covered in depth at calmatters dot org, 261 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 3: concerns a Tilla Colar. That's the guy's name, and he 262 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 3: is with the organization I just mentioned, All Hands on Deck. 263 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 3: Here's the summary Attila Coolar went to prison years ago 264 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 3: for lying to the government. After California gave him another 265 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 3: contract as a provider in a rehab program, a federal 266 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 3: jury convicted him of fraud for using the personal information 267 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 3: a Bay Area paroles and others to collect government COVID funds. 268 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 3: Look at that so it says here he didn't even 269 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 3: need to hide his criminal past. He applied for a 270 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 3: contract with a California rehab program for parolis leaving state prisons. 271 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 3: That's that stop program. 272 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: I mentioned. 273 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 3: Former felons are welcome as landlords in the state funded 274 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 3: rehab program, and many have a strong history providing services 275 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 3: to their tenants. But he covered up his record anyway, 276 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 3: using one of five aliases at TILI, Coolar eased through 277 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 3: the vetting process at the California Department of Corrections and 278 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 3: Rehab in the fall of twenty nineteen, and he created 279 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 3: all hands on deck then joined the list of companies 280 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 3: and trusted with helping Paroli stay out of trouble and get. 281 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: Back on their feet. 282 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 3: Instead, he used the names of the tenants and other 283 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 3: false identities in his scheme to claim a million dollars 284 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 3: in fraudulent COVID nineteen relief benefits a million dollars. He 285 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 3: falsely represented that the residents this is funny. He falsely 286 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 3: represented that the residents were CEOs of companies with hundreds 287 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 3: of employees with million dollar payrolls, so the money was 288 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 3: paid to these quote CEOs were nothing but Parolis and 289 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 3: I guess taken by Colar and putting his own bank account. 290 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: Nice. 291 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 3: This must have been like the payroll protection loans that 292 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 3: were going on during COVID. They also allege in the indictment. 293 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 3: This bothers you that Colar physically abused residents who were 294 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 3: former prisoners enrolled in the pro league program, as well 295 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 3: as people with mental dishealth disorders were living on fixed incomes. 296 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 3: This guy was a on all counts. Although prosecutors did 297 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 3: not charge him with abuse or present evidence of a 298 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 3: trial in the indictment, they painted a picture of life 299 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 3: inside the two Contra Costa County homes that he operated, 300 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 3: physical abuse, tolerated drug use, confiscated resident social security benefits 301 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 3: and other monies that they received. So he ended up 302 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 3: being convicted on a number of charges. But you know, 303 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 3: he was hired in the first place because he was 304 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 3: already a fraudster. They let him run this nonprofit and 305 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 3: take state money, and he turned around and used these 306 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 3: people's identities to collect up to a million dollars in 307 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 3: extra benefits. There you go, another great example from the 308 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 3: world of the rehabilitation industrial complex. All right, when I 309 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 3: come back, I'm going to be talking to a state senator, 310 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 3: a Republican. He's been on a show a few times 311 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 3: this year. A state Senator, Brian Jones from San Diego. 312 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 3: He's the Senate Minority Leader, and the topic will be 313 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 3: something that is bizarre but should bother you. California pays 314 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 3: among the states some of the highest election rates in 315 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 3: the nation. We're like double the national average. They've come 316 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 3: up with the scheme, the legislature and the California Public 317 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 3: Utilities Commission to charge you for your usage and then 318 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 3: charge you a fixed fee based on your household income. 319 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 3: Imagine that your electricity bill is going to have a 320 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 3: fee based on how much money you make, not how 321 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 3: much electricity you use. So if you're one of those 322 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 3: goodie goods at tech people that's got all the solar 323 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 3: panels and stuff, you keute electricity bilow when they find 324 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 3: out you're making a lot of tech money, they're going 325 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 3: to hit you with a higher fixed fee. 326 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: That's next. 327 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 3: Johnny KENKFI AM six forty Live everywhere iHeartRadio app. 328 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 329 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 5: AM six forty. 330 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 3: Don't forget if you can't listen to the show live 331 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 3: between one and four, that's the keyword live. You can 332 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 3: always pick it up on demand. The podcast will be 333 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 3: posted just after four o'clock at KFI AM six forty 334 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 3: dot com at also on the iHeartRadio app. This is 335 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 3: a wild week in Sacramento for the Hacks and the 336 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 3: legislature as they're going to go out of session after. 337 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: Friday for a while months. 338 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 3: So they're pushing a whole bunch of proposals through bills 339 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 3: to throw them at Newsom. The one we've been watching, 340 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 3: which is kind of slipped under the radar, it really 341 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 3: did because literally it was in a trailer budget bill. 342 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 3: It's the idea that your electric bill could be, or 343 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 3: at least a part of it, a big fixed charge 344 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 3: could be based on your income. 345 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: This is bizarre. 346 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 3: It's something about equality. I know that sounds bizarre, but 347 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 3: that seems to be the push here. But the Democrats 348 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 3: and Sacramento, there was an attempt by some Republicans to 349 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 3: overthrow this proposal. 350 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: Well that didn't work. 351 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 3: We're now going to get an update on what's going 352 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 3: on from the Republican State Senate Minority Leader Brian Jones 353 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 3: from San Diego. 354 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: Ryan, Welcome to the John and Ken Show. 355 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 6: Hey, guys, good to be on with you. Thanks for 356 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 6: covering what's going on in Sacramento. As I say to 357 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 6: my constituents back home in San Diego, after midnight on Thursday, 358 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 6: your wallets and your liberties will be safe until the 359 00:17:59,240 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 6: first of the year. 360 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 3: Explained exactly how this wild proposal works, the idea of 361 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,479 Speaker 3: a fixed charge, a separate fixed charge on your electric 362 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 3: built based. 363 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: On your income. 364 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 3: And of course we know California's already have the highest 365 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 3: electricity rates pretty much in a country, like double the 366 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 3: national average. 367 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: Why are they pushing this? 368 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, you described it as a Democrats pushing quality. I 369 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 6: think it's more like socialism run a muck. But what 370 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 6: happened is last year, in a budget trailer bill which 371 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 6: gets pushed through sometimes at the end of session with 372 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 6: very little review, sometimes doesn't even get a committee hearing, 373 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 6: had this mandate in it that was requires the PUC 374 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 6: to consider a fixed charge based on people's income, on 375 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 6: what their base rate's going to be, and then on 376 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 6: top of that, what the usage rate is going to 377 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 6: be for electricity. 378 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 3: So the bill right now is pretty much just based 379 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 3: on usage. There probably are other fees and things stuck 380 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 3: in there, but it's largely based on how much electricity 381 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 3: you use per household's dead They've come up with this 382 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 3: scale where it's going to be based. There's going to 383 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 3: be a separate fixed charge based on your income level. 384 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 6: Well correct, So the first thing will be the fees, 385 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 6: and the next thing will be the basic charge based 386 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,959 Speaker 6: on your income, and that will be set and then 387 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 6: your usage will be above that. 388 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 3: So the idea here, and they're pushing this saying that 389 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 3: this is going to help low income households because their 390 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 3: fixed fee will be low, but does that really work? 391 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 6: So in my in my area in San Diego, the 392 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 6: average San Diego family will pay seventy three dollars a 393 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 6: month more eight hundred and seventy six dollars, and that 394 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 6: varies throughout the states, through the different IOUs and the 395 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 6: different areas of the state. But the bottom line is 396 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 6: everybody is going to have a fixed rate, then their 397 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 6: usages above that, and the higher your income is, the 398 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 6: higher your fix rate is. 399 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 3: To begin with, Yeah, I'm looking at one of the 400 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 3: proposed charts here. Households earning sixty nine thousand to one 401 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 3: hundred and eighty thousand would pay fe fifty one dollars 402 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 3: to Edison a month or PG and E or seventy 403 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 3: three dollars to San Diego Gas and Electric. 404 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: And if right household makes more. 405 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 3: Than one hundred and eighty thousand, which is by no 406 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 3: means rich, you got to fork out eighty five a 407 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 3: month to Edison, ninety two to PG and E in 408 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty eighty year San Diego Gas and Electric. 409 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: That's a real rate I get there. 410 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, that is. And you know it's unfortunate because 411 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 6: what it does is it discourages conservation because right now 412 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 6: your rates are based on your usage. You use less, 413 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 6: you pay less on this. You're going to have a 414 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 6: fixed fee no matter how much you use. So if 415 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 6: you're trying to conserve, you're gonna you know, save a 416 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 6: little bit, not as much as you would have if 417 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 6: we didn't do this. 418 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, because they're selling this Brian as the most customers 419 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 3: will see their bills lower, just higher income people will 420 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 3: see their bills higher. 421 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: Do you buy that? 422 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 6: Yeah, we're are our analysis that strongly disagrees with that 423 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 6: analysis from the PUC. 424 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 3: Has this been tried before with any other utility in 425 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 3: the country? Does anyone do this? 426 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 6: I don't think so. No, No, we're the for of course, 427 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 6: California is the first on all of these fantastically great 428 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 6: bad ideas I know, but. 429 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 3: It's hard to figure out what this one is about 430 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,959 Speaker 3: because it is really a bizarre proposal. What has to 431 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 3: happen for this to actually come into effect? I mean, 432 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 3: obviously it's in the legislature, but it has to go 433 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 3: through the PUC and such. 434 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 6: Right, so it's already state law. This passed last year, 435 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 6: and the PUC gave the or the legislature gave the 436 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 6: PUC and the electrical companies till the end of this 437 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 6: year into the spring to come up with their different 438 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 6: proposals to be considered by the PUC and approved. So 439 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 6: what the Republicans in the Senate right now are trying 440 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 6: to do is undo this uh fee. We tried yesterday 441 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 6: with an amendment to a bill. Unfortunately it died on 442 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 6: a party line vote. Every single Democrat voted down our proposal, 443 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 6: and every single Republican voted for the proposal trying to 444 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 6: eliminate the fixed charge fee from our electric bills. 445 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: So there doesn't seem to be a way to stop this, 446 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: does there. 447 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 6: Not at this point in time. But I think if 448 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 6: enough of your listeners contact their assembly member and their 449 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 6: senator that they don't like this idea and their outrage, 450 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 6: we maybe in the first of the year, when we 451 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 6: come back to session, we can put in a bill 452 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 6: that will pass. And in the meantime they can certainly 453 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 6: reach out to the PUC and share their discontent with 454 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 6: the bill, but they need to make their voices heard, 455 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 6: both of the PUC and their legislator. 456 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 3: And what I guess, the utilities are in favor of this, 457 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 3: specific Gas and Electric and Addison and of course San 458 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 3: Diego Gas and Electric. They like this idea? Are they 459 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 3: part of the proposal? I see it came from like 460 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 3: a Berkeley think tank originally? 461 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 6: Right now, myanders, No, they do not like the proposal, 462 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 6: and one of their major concerns with this is they 463 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 6: don't want to have any business knowing people's income levels. 464 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,719 Speaker 6: That's personal, private information. They don't want to be responsible 465 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 6: for that. They don't want to have to do this bill. 466 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 6: They're being forced by this piece of legislation that was 467 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 6: put in last year, forcing the PUC, And so because 468 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 6: they're regulated by the PUC, they have to do it, 469 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 6: but they would rather not do it. 470 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, they have to go look through the Franchise Tax 471 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 3: Board to verify whatever people say their household income is 472 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 3: to figure out this fixed fact. 473 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 6: That's a really good question, and the legislation was silent 474 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 6: on that. So you know, that's one of the things 475 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 6: they're trying to figure out is how do we even 476 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 6: get this information? 477 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 4: Do we just ask. 478 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,239 Speaker 6: People and believe what they say. Do we have a 479 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 6: third party verifier? Do we use the Franchise Tax Board? 480 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 6: Do we use irs? They have no way of knowing 481 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 6: how they're expected to verify these income levels. 482 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 3: All right, State Senator Brian Jones, I appreciate you taking 483 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 3: some time out to talk to me. Now you got 484 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 3: to get back to that horrible legislative work you're doing, 485 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 3: not you're doing personally, but you're dealing with. 486 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you for covernus and keeping your listeners updated. 487 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 3: All right, that's the Senate Minority of Republican Brian Jones 488 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 3: in the State Senate from San Diego about this proposal. 489 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 3: We've touched on a few times during the course of 490 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 3: this year, which kind of surprised us. That your electricity 491 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 3: bill in the future, maybe next year or the year after, 492 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 3: may be based a bit on how much power you use, 493 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 3: but also there'll be a fixed charge on there based 494 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 3: on your income level. 495 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: And as I said, the highest rate kicks in. 496 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 3: It's just one hundred and eighty thousand dollars a year 497 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 3: household income, which is not that high for many people 498 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 3: who live in southern California. More coming up on the 499 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 3: John and Ken Show KFI AM six forty. 500 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: We're live everywhere the iHeartRadio app. 501 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 502 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 5: AM six forty. 503 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 3: Well, is there really anybody more fascinating? And I don't 504 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,719 Speaker 3: really find anybody fascinating in the world In Elon Musk. 505 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 3: There is a brand new biography coming out today, in fact, 506 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 3: by a man by the name of Walter Isaacson. The 507 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 3: biography is called Elon Musk. That's quite a snappy name. Anyway, 508 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 3: when you have billions and billions of dollars, you can 509 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 3: pretty much do what you want. And what's making news 510 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 3: this week concerning the world of Elon Musk is how 511 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 3: many children he's had. It was revealed through this biographer 512 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 3: that Elon Musk and the experimental musician known as Grimes 513 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 3: have a third child, and Musk did on his social 514 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 3: media platform x confirm that they do have another child. 515 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 3: It was previously known that the billionaire and this experimental 516 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 3: artist have a three year old son and a one 517 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 3: year old daughter. The new child's name, I'll not be 518 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 3: able to get through this story because these names are 519 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 3: is Tao Techno Mechanicus. Now the child's legal name is 520 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 3: Techno Mechanicus Musk. His nickname is Tao. According to an 521 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 3: advanced copy of the book, the baby boy's nickname Tao 522 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 3: is inspired by the Greek letter representing the irrational number 523 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 3: that is equal to two times by huh. The approximate 524 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 3: numerical value six dot two eight doubles as a nod 525 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 3: to Elon Musk's birthday June twenty eight. So I imagine 526 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 3: all these names have deep mathematical or I don't know, 527 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 3: ancient language meeting meanings. It says here in the story 528 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 3: that more information about Musk families included in Isaacson's six 529 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 3: hundred and eighty eight page book, as I mentioned, called 530 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 3: Elon Musk. 531 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 1: Now. 532 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 3: Grimes and Musk dated on and off from twenty eighteen 533 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 3: to twenty twenty two. They already had a son, Oh 534 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 3: my God, ex in May of twenty twenty and a 535 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 3: daughter exa dark Siderell in December of twenty twenty one. 536 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 3: The New York Post attempted to identify all eleven of 537 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 3: Most's children, and I should tell you some of them 538 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 3: were in vitro. Some of them used surrogates. So anyway, 539 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 3: he of he of course welcomed twins back in November 540 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 3: of twenty twenty one, with a woman by the name 541 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 3: of Chavon Zillis, who was a Neuralink executive, just one 542 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 3: month before the arrival of his second child with Grimes 543 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 3: the surrogate. If you're confused, so am I way? Do 544 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 3: you see the names some of them? Well, Griffin, Vivian, Kai, Saxon, Damien. 545 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: An X. He actually has a child named X. 546 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 3: And now we have Techno Mechanicus. All right, it's time 547 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 3: for Tim Conway Jena. 548 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,239 Speaker 2: Hey did did his wife or girlfriend say she's an 549 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 2: experimental artist. 550 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 3: Yes, well that's why she's described an experimental artist. 551 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 2: Do you imagine introducing yourself as a party as an 552 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 2: experimental artist? 553 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: Oh? Maybe experimental musician? Musician? 554 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:54,959 Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, I think it was a musician. 555 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 2: Twenty people would walk away from you when you said, though, 556 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 2: is there anybody more fastating? I thought you were coming 557 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 2: to me. I was a little disappointed that you mentioned 558 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 2: Elon Muss. 559 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 7: So there's that note. 560 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 3: About that by one of his kids is transgender too, 561 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 3: just see you know that? 562 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 7: Okay. 563 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 2: And then one of his kids went to a private 564 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 2: school and they turned him on on his dad. 565 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I saw that. 566 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 7: Fifty thousand dollars a year. 567 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: I think it's a transgender child. 568 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 7: I think it is. I think it says all their woke. 569 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: Teachings have ruined my kid. 570 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 2: Yes, that's right now. She doesn't talk to her dad 571 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,199 Speaker 2: and he had to pay the bill. How crazy is that? 572 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 2: Are two things. 573 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 4: One. 574 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 2: Congratulations on the Jets. I know you're a big Jets fan. 575 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 2: That was a big Yeah, it's going to be quite 576 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 2: a season. 577 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 3: I'm we're one to Oh right, I can see the 578 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 3: Super Bowl, which is in Las Vegas by the way, 579 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 3: next year. Wow, it's within sights. I'm going to get 580 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 3: my tickets soon. And I think that Aaron Rodgers was 581 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 3: just the thing we needed. 582 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that kid, you know, they scored twenty two 583 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 2: points on the twenty second anniversary of nine to eleven. 584 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,719 Speaker 2: There was some stories about that. And that kid was 585 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 2: born that that ran that return. Yeah, he was born 586 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 2: in two thousand and one. 587 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: Look at that. 588 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 7: How crazy is that? 589 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: You like numerology? I do? I do? 590 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 7: Ken and show? 591 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 4: Do you? 592 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 7: You were an accountant at one point, right? 593 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 4: I do? 594 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: Okay, I like puns better than numerology. Okay. 595 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 2: I don't know if you talked about this, but were 596 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 2: you ever officed in the World Trade Center? 597 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: I was. 598 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 3: My company called Deloitte Haskins, and the sales occupied the 599 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 3: ninety eighth through the one hundred and second floor. 600 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: Wow, tower number one. 601 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 2: Is that that's the tower that got hit? Well, they 602 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 2: both did, but but your office would have been hit then, Yes, 603 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 2: But I was there forty years ago. Oh my god, 604 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 2: I'm not that's twenty years ago. What an office though? 605 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I have that view every day, 606 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 2: and you know, and then to go up to windows 607 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 2: of the world for drinks at night. 608 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 3: I don't know if I mentioned this, but you know 609 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 3: who took over those offices eventually it was Canter Fitzgerald. 610 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 7: You've heard of Oh yeah, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. 611 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: My my cousin's son died. 612 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 7: Oh my god, he was at work that. 613 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: Day at Canter Fitzgerald and the building went down. 614 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 7: What a day, man, unbelievable. 615 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 1: I mean, twenty nine years old. 616 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 2: But that must have been a special you know, especially 617 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 2: upsetting for you to be working in that building for 618 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 2: so many years. 619 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: Uh yeah. 620 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 3: Although the job I had, I was rarely in the office, 621 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 3: oh auditors, and we went to where the company was 622 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 3: on site. I was there maybe a third of the year, 623 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 3: but I type memories. I went to windows of the world, 624 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 3: okay with you up there. I mean, yes, it was 625 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 3: a very strange experience when that happened. 626 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 2: So when you came into an office as an auditor, 627 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 2: you got the cold shoulder. 628 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 3: Oh my god, did I I could write a book 629 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 3: about that. 630 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: I treated you like bleep, is to put it mild. 631 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: I hated us. 632 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're in the enemy, coming in to sniff out 633 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 2: all the problems. 634 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 3: You remember all the problems with Exxon and the auditors. Yeah, 635 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 3: I know how that feels because eventually you just finish 636 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 3: the work and leave because just just site off. Yeah whatever, Yeah, 637 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 3: everything's good. Financials are great. Bye, pay up because you 638 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 3: don't want to deal. 639 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: With this crap anymore. 640 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 7: They yell at you, they push you. 641 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 2: That's great. You got to write a book about that man. 642 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 2: That's awesome. Thanks, that's funny stuff. All right, what do 643 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 2: you got? 644 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. 645 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 2: We got something going on today? No, Mark Thompson and 646 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 2: uh yeah, he already worked. 647 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: I don't know. Come up with something. I don't know. 648 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 7: Something about how LA sucks, I think. 649 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 3: Because I live in That's right, God coming dog. 650 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: Bye. Michael Krozer has. 651 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 3: The news CAFI A six forty live everywhere iHeartRadio app. 652 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: Hey, you've been listening to the John and Ken Show. 653 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 3: You can always hear us live on KFI AM six 654 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,719 Speaker 3: forty one pm to four pm every Monday through Friday, 655 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 3: and of course anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.