WEBVTT - Boston Fed Taps Susan Collins as New President

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<v Speaker 1>the Federal Reserve of Boston announcing that Susan Collins, a

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<v Speaker 1>University of Michigan economists, will be it's new president, marking

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<v Speaker 1>the first time a black woman will lead one of

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<v Speaker 1>the US Central banks twelve districts. Collins succeeds rosen Gren,

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<v Speaker 1>who resigned from the FED in September, and Collins is

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<v Speaker 1>to be the FMC voter starting in July. All Right,

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<v Speaker 1>good to know and some changes. We know that there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of changes going on in the FED in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of the makeup of the f O m C.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get to Bloomberg News economic supporter Steve Matthews. He

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<v Speaker 1>is on the phone from our Atlanta bureau. He is

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<v Speaker 1>our FED watcher and uh, Susan Collins tell us about

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<v Speaker 1>this significance here, Steve, Yeah, I mean this is a

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<v Speaker 1>groundbreaking choice. Uh. You know, as a few years back,

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<v Speaker 1>Raffael Bostic became the first black man to be serving

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<v Speaker 1>as a FED president with the Atlanta Fed. Uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>now Susan Collins will become the first black woman ever

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<v Speaker 1>to be serving as a president of one of the

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<v Speaker 1>twelve FED banks. And the FED has been in existence

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<v Speaker 1>since seven so what you know, hundred and thirteen, fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>years and there this is it seems light to be

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<v Speaker 1>talking about this kind of thing happening, but it is happening,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is a big significance. And for that matter,

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<v Speaker 1>the Biden administration has talked quite a bit about diversity

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<v Speaker 1>and trying to have a central bank that looks like America,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and the government that looks like America. And

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<v Speaker 1>you've just had too uh the deplotment of two African

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<v Speaker 1>Americans uh to the to the FED Board of Governors,

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<v Speaker 1>which you know, they're still waiting confirmation Lisa Cook obviously.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So it's interesting. I've spent the last few minutes

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<v Speaker 1>trying to to look back at her monetary policy via

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, is shea dove, is shea hawk? And

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, honestly, we really don't know. That's interesting because

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<v Speaker 1>that's where my next question was going, What do we

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<v Speaker 1>know about her policy? I mean, she's got a PhD

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<v Speaker 1>in economics from m I t uh the Boston Fed

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<v Speaker 1>saying a statement quote Collins is an international Maccar economist

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<v Speaker 1>with a lifelong interest in policy and impact on living standards.

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<v Speaker 1>She has spent you know, I've got she has thirty

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<v Speaker 1>two papers listed with the National Bureau Economic Research, UH,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're almost all on international economy and international developments. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>She's written about Korea, She's written about Asia, She's written

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<v Speaker 1>about currencies, she's written some about China, uh, but not

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot about US policy, and not a whole

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<v Speaker 1>lot and nothing that I've been able to find so

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<v Speaker 1>far on US monetary policy. The one thing that she's

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<v Speaker 1>written that might strike some is as interesting, if not controversial,

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<v Speaker 1>is in the wake of the two thousand uh seven

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand nine financial crisis. She was advocating for a

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<v Speaker 1>week er dollar along with a co author, saying that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we needed to boost the the beat up

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<v Speaker 1>the economic recovery, and one way to do that would

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<v Speaker 1>be to have a week dollar, which will help the

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<v Speaker 1>help exporters in particular. I want to bring in our

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<v Speaker 1>market round table because we're obviously watching a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>things on this Wednesday and including this headline on the

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<v Speaker 1>new head of the Boston fab. Let's bring in Creedy

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<v Speaker 1>group to markets correspond at Bloomberg News at Bloomberg in

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<v Speaker 1>our interactive broker studio along with Katie Greifeld, Bloomberg News

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<v Speaker 1>processor reporter and also Tim's co anchor over on Bloomberg

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<v Speaker 1>Quick take, Um, Creedy, you watch the markets more broadly,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot going on. We're still getting a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of big earnings headline like this. How do you think

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<v Speaker 1>about it? Well, it's not gonna be market moving just yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Steve was saying, there's no clear indication of where

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<v Speaker 1>the policy lies. But what is interesting that she will

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<v Speaker 1>be a voting member in two so when we do

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<v Speaker 1>get Senate confirmation. But I guess I would assume she

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<v Speaker 1>will I mean, it kind of seems like it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but Steve is going to be the expert on that.

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<v Speaker 1>She will not need confirmation by anyone that the way

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<v Speaker 1>the fed uh Bank President's work is. I mean, she

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<v Speaker 1>has been approved by the Fed's Board of Governors. There

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<v Speaker 1>is no additional confirm confirmation needed for her for the

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<v Speaker 1>Board of Governors, but not for the FED Bank president.

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking of Lisa Cook, right, and okay, forgive

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<v Speaker 1>me so my bad. Yeah, thank you, thank you. Steve. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that just amps up the what's at stake here? Right

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<v Speaker 1>When we do get that indication of what that mon

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<v Speaker 1>Terrey policy is going to look like, her take is

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<v Speaker 1>going to look like that's really going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>key piece at least for the dot plot um. In

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<v Speaker 1>terms of the markets, though, I mean, let's just stick

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<v Speaker 1>with the bond market here. That two percent yield is

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<v Speaker 1>something that I think is coming up on everyone's horizon.

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<v Speaker 1>We're looking ating at one nine two on the tenure

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<v Speaker 1>and it kind of seems like there's a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of relief in the markets because we pull back from

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<v Speaker 1>that level. A similar story in the oil pulling back

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<v Speaker 1>from that one oil there's some scary levels that I

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<v Speaker 1>think stock the stock market investors are kind of watching,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think the fact that we're not as close

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<v Speaker 1>as we were a couple of days ago, that's adding

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<v Speaker 1>to the relief out we got so close to that

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<v Speaker 1>two mark we did. Hey, Katie Grafel, come on in here.

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<v Speaker 1>And because just a few minutes ago before we got

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<v Speaker 1>this news, you were watching the strong tenure treasury auction.

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<v Speaker 1>Takeaways from that, Yeah, there is bonds right now, is

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<v Speaker 1>why we're not anywhere in two percent striking distance. You

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<v Speaker 1>saw that the tenure treasury auction from the Treasury Department,

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<v Speaker 1>it was it saw the lowest amount awarded to primary

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<v Speaker 1>dealers ever. Reminder these investors, they have to bid at auction,

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<v Speaker 1>so to see such a low allotment there, that really

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<v Speaker 1>speaks to how much demand there is for bonds right now,

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<v Speaker 1>which is really interesting because we're going to get a

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<v Speaker 1>very hot CPI report tomorrow potentially, Yeah, big deal, And

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<v Speaker 1>it's exciting that Susan Collins is a wild card. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how she's going to be looking at those

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<v Speaker 1>numbers tomorrow. So you did fun but inflation right in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of these fixed income investments just kind of eats

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<v Speaker 1>away at the returns. I know, but I mean there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of talk that maybe this will be the

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<v Speaker 1>peak cp I print, that we're going to start to

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<v Speaker 1>get lower, cooler readings from here. So I mean, if

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<v Speaker 1>that's the bet, you probably want to be buying bonds

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<v Speaker 1>right now. All right, we gotta run, guys, Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much. Are thanks to Katie and Creedy Credy. We

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<v Speaker 1>back lit bit later on with her chart of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course our thanks to Bloomberg News Economics reporter

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Matthews on that breaking news the Boston Fed with

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<v Speaker 1>a new head. This is Bloomberg Business Week with Carol

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<v Speaker 1>Messer and Bloomberg Quick Takes. Tim Stinovic on Bloomberg Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>The investors definitely loving companies that increase their prices, and

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<v Speaker 1>that includes the next one that we're going to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>We're mentioning Chippotle Mexican Girl shares jumping about ten percent

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<v Speaker 1>most's last summer. Following last night's quarterly update, it showed

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<v Speaker 1>that fourth quarter sales COMP sales adjusted EPs all topping estimates.

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<v Speaker 1>Company also raising its outlook. The company CEO, Brian Nichols

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<v Speaker 1>sang on the call he's not seeing any signs and

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<v Speaker 1>inflation is slowing down. Specifically Tim highlighting higher beef colls,

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<v Speaker 1>saying the company may have to raise prices again also

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<v Speaker 1>raise wages. Well, let's bring in Jack hard Tongue, chief

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<v Speaker 1>financial officer for Chippotle Mexican Drill. He joins us on

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<v Speaker 1>via zoom from Chicago, so folks watching on YouTube certainly

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<v Speaker 1>see him there. Jack. How are you. I'm great. How

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<v Speaker 1>are you guys doing. We're doing well. Thanks. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to jump right into it with the with the with

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<v Speaker 1>the price s power. Considering the rising input costs that

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<v Speaker 1>you guys called out yesterday in your earnings release, help

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<v Speaker 1>us understand how much pricing power you have to raise

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<v Speaker 1>the price of items on the menu in order to

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<v Speaker 1>combat those higher input costs. Yeah, you know, it's one

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<v Speaker 1>of these kind of mysteries if you will, TI, and

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<v Speaker 1>that you kind of hope you never find out the reason.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason is, if you find out, it means you've

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<v Speaker 1>raised prices too high and it and it means customers

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<v Speaker 1>are resisting. We've always been very thoughtful whenever we've had

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<v Speaker 1>to raise prices, including in this environment, and frankly, every

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<v Speaker 1>other restaurant company, grocers, everyone is raising prices. So we

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<v Speaker 1>still think that we're kind of you know, at or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a little bit behind the media and what companies

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<v Speaker 1>are doing. And so, um, what we want to do

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<v Speaker 1>is we we while we think that we can raise

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<v Speaker 1>prices for we'll watch and see how the inflation environment unfold.

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<v Speaker 1>We do think we've got additional pricing power and if

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<v Speaker 1>we need to, we'll spend it, but we'll look at

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<v Speaker 1>other things like efficiencies and um, you know, are there

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<v Speaker 1>other ways to find some you know, cause sating opportunities

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<v Speaker 1>and if there aren't, and if we have to raise prices,

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<v Speaker 1>will we'll do that, But it won't be the first

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<v Speaker 1>thing we'll do. Where Jack, are you seeing the costs

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<v Speaker 1>rise the most and the quickest? Is it wages or

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<v Speaker 1>is it on the commodity side? Yeah, well, you know way,

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<v Speaker 1>wages really increased a lot last year, and in our case,

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<v Speaker 1>we took a big stair step. We increased our wages

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<v Speaker 1>by about fifteen percent for all of our restaurant employees. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was you know a big impact. And then

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<v Speaker 1>we did that in the April May timeframe. That's when

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<v Speaker 1>it became clear to us that there was a in

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<v Speaker 1>balance between the demand that we and other companies had

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<v Speaker 1>for labor as the economy was opening up, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the people coming back into the workforce that helped us significantly. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>That allowed us to retain our existing people, that allowed

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<v Speaker 1>us to increase application flow. You know, we're growing company,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're constantly hiring people. Um. And so that allowed

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<v Speaker 1>us to stabilize the workforce to the point where right

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<v Speaker 1>now we feel like we're in a good labor position.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not it's not like we're completely you know, over

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<v Speaker 1>the challenge. It's still a challenge, but we're as good

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<v Speaker 1>of a labor staffing position now as we were even

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<v Speaker 1>before the pandemic. And uh, you know, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>that every company could say that right now. Hey Jack,

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<v Speaker 1>do you feel like, in terms of the labor shortages

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<v Speaker 1>and the crunch that we're hitting peak and that things

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<v Speaker 1>will start to get better? And same same side, the

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<v Speaker 1>same questions on on the pricing side of things. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you feel like we're getting kind of inflation peak? If

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<v Speaker 1>you will? Yeah, I don't think either are over. I

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<v Speaker 1>think labor is going to continue to go up, but

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<v Speaker 1>I would expect there won't be another kind of shock,

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<v Speaker 1>like like when we we were kind of at the

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<v Speaker 1>leading edge when we raise prices in the May or

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<v Speaker 1>wages in the May June time. Frank most other hospitality

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<v Speaker 1>and restaurant companies have followed since then. I think they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be increases, meaningful increases, but I don't expect

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<v Speaker 1>that there will be another fifteen percent jump. What we're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing right now is there are pockets where when there

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<v Speaker 1>are shortages that you're gonna have to maybe raise wages

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<v Speaker 1>at a in a preemptive manner rather than just, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>rather than risking falling behind you know, the wages in

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<v Speaker 1>that market. From a commodity standpoint, most of our channel

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<v Speaker 1>has been in beef. That's been throughout the year, and

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<v Speaker 1>in the fourth quarter it hit us again. Freight as well,

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<v Speaker 1>especially we get a lot of our packaging in from

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<v Speaker 1>outside the US, and freight has been a real challenge,

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<v Speaker 1>not only just to get enough supply because there's such

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<v Speaker 1>bottlenecks at the boards, but also the cost of freight

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<v Speaker 1>is going up significantly. Our outlook suggests that um nothing

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<v Speaker 1>is going to ease in terms of material or great

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<v Speaker 1>an inflation to let the earliest later in the year,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not even until Wow. So it sticks around for

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<v Speaker 1>a while. Hey, I'm curious about wages too, because that's

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<v Speaker 1>something that we've talked to a lot of economists, Jack,

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<v Speaker 1>that that stays with you, that cost. And I'm curious,

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<v Speaker 1>I've spent a lot of time with your previous administration

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<v Speaker 1>that you guys pride yourself and holding onto workers and

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<v Speaker 1>grooming them to move up the chain. So will those

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<v Speaker 1>higher labor costs be problematic maybe down the road. No.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, we still pride ourselves on our people culture.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we we promoted nineteen thousand people last year.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's what you do when you have a thriving,

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<v Speaker 1>growing company. Um, We've like the idea that when crew

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<v Speaker 1>join us today, that they can join us for a

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<v Speaker 1>job today, but that can turn into a career over time,

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<v Speaker 1>and even that they don't stay with chipotlea their entire career.

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<v Speaker 1>We will teach them skills like how to cook in

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<v Speaker 1>a real restaurant, will teach them how to leave people,

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<v Speaker 1>will teach them how to run a business. And if

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<v Speaker 1>they say with us, that's fantastic. If not, if they're

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<v Speaker 1>still going to learn life skills. And so we run

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<v Speaker 1>all of our restaurants where unique in the restaurant industry

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<v Speaker 1>where we have almost three thousand restaurants. None of them

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<v Speaker 1>are franchised. So we need to have the ability to

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<v Speaker 1>hire great people, to develop great people, and and to

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<v Speaker 1>give them opportunities to move into management roles. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's alive and well. Edge Fully, Hey, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit about growth and expansion physical expansion here.

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<v Speaker 1>In your release yesterday, you said, based on those successive

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<v Speaker 1>small town locations that are delivering unit economics at or

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<v Speaker 1>better than traditional Chipotle locations, you are now you now

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<v Speaker 1>believe there can be at least seven thousand Chippotle restaurants

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<v Speaker 1>in North America, up from that prior goal of six

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<v Speaker 1>thousand restaurants. Talk to us about the competition for real

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<v Speaker 1>estate here and how difficult it is to actually find

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<v Speaker 1>compelling real estate opportunities in a market like this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's always been a challenge. There's always broke

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<v Speaker 1>companies out there. But um, we do really well. And

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<v Speaker 1>the reason we do well is that, as I mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>we're company owned, so we can make quick decisions. We

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<v Speaker 1>have a dynamite real estate development team and so they're

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<v Speaker 1>out there. They know the brokers, they know the sites,

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<v Speaker 1>they know how to dig great sites. UM. And when

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<v Speaker 1>we show up and knock on the door of a

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<v Speaker 1>landlord or developer and we're interested in space, they love

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<v Speaker 1>to have chuppote L in their UM in their development.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason is we bring traffic to their development. And

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<v Speaker 1>so if we're in a center where there's five or

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<v Speaker 1>six or seven different tenants there, UM, they can count

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<v Speaker 1>on the fact that Chippotele will bring a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people to their center, they will recognize some of the

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<v Speaker 1>other tenants as well. UM. So UM you know, so

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<v Speaker 1>we get a lot of attention and we're one of

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<v Speaker 1>the preferred tenants out there. UM. We also have been

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<v Speaker 1>very successful in not just securing the sites, but also

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<v Speaker 1>getting the approval to get a chapot Lang, which that's

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<v Speaker 1>our version of a digital drive through UM. And even

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<v Speaker 1>if we don't have a free standard and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>it's a great convenience for our customers and our landlords

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<v Speaker 1>and developers have been working really well with us to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure we can get the chippot Lane and so

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's because we really bring um, you know, something

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<v Speaker 1>to their center that they're really after, and that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>more foot traffic That's what I wanted to ask you though. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys out at your first digital only chippot Lane restaurant.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it was late last year. Uh in New

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<v Speaker 1>York State. How's that going in? Is there? What are

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<v Speaker 1>the expansion plans with that? Yeah, it's it's actually really good.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to now fully digital restaurants. What that means

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<v Speaker 1>is there's no front line. So if you walk into

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<v Speaker 1>a restaurant, you're not going to see a front line

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<v Speaker 1>with a register where you can order and then pay.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything has to be ordered ahead. You can order ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and pick up um in in one of the two

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<v Speaker 1>cases we've got chipot Lane, so you can order ahead,

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<v Speaker 1>not get out of your car. You still can get

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<v Speaker 1>out of your car and walk into the restaurant if

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<v Speaker 1>you if you like, and our team will treat you

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<v Speaker 1>to great experience, but you have to order ahead there.

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<v Speaker 1>These are early days. These are early experiments. We do

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<v Speaker 1>think there's gonna be opportunities for what we call a

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<v Speaker 1>seam location, meaning you could have a lot of totally

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<v Speaker 1>restaurants in a certain trade area and then there's an

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<v Speaker 1>underserved area kind of in the middle that might be

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<v Speaker 1>a great spot for a smaller restaurant that has just

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<v Speaker 1>chicot lane um and no frontline ordering. So UM, it's

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<v Speaker 1>early days and we'll find where these make the most sense.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're up both thoughts to a great start in

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<v Speaker 1>that same vein digital sales. For one, for the full

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<v Speaker 1>year forty five point six percent of sales. Carol mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>how they shot up during the pandemic. What's a way

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<v Speaker 1>for investors to think about that digital versus physical mix

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<v Speaker 1>when we do get to the other side of the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 1>where does it stabilize? Yeah, you know, our our guests,

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<v Speaker 1>and it really is just a guess that it probably

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<v Speaker 1>bounces at about at or in that low forty percent range.

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<v Speaker 1>When we look at our markets throughout the country and others,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, different markets have have had different impacts from

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<v Speaker 1>covid um and they have come out of covid faster

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<v Speaker 1>or slower. When we look at the ones that were

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<v Speaker 1>least impacted, um, they didn't fall below at range. And

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<v Speaker 1>when we look at the fort of digital sales today,

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<v Speaker 1>the is are mostly our loyal customers. They come very often,

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<v Speaker 1>they tend to spend more, and they really like the

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<v Speaker 1>digital channel. The convenience of digital Once you get into

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<v Speaker 1>our app once you sign up as a loyalty member,

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<v Speaker 1>is so easy that our customers tend to stick with it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I would see that will probably stay in this

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<v Speaker 1>you know, load and mid range UM, and then we'll

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<v Speaker 1>bounce up from there as more and more customers discovery digital.

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<v Speaker 1>The reality is, even though it's almost forty percent of

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<v Speaker 1>our business, the majority, the largest group of our customers

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<v Speaker 1>have never tried digital. So there's still a big opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>for us. Hey, Jack, just got about a minute or

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<v Speaker 1>so left here. You've been at to potl for what

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years? You've seen a lot at that name alone

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<v Speaker 1>McDonald's before that. You understand this industry. But this is

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting time coming off a pandemic. Uh. We love

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<v Speaker 1>to hear from the c suite. What's top of mind

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<v Speaker 1>for you right now? Yeah, I mean the most important

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<v Speaker 1>thing to me and our entire executive team is people. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we have a food ethos um. We really

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<v Speaker 1>take pride in the quality of food that we source,

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<v Speaker 1>the quality food that we cook in the restaurant. But

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<v Speaker 1>all of that with great people. That means great people

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<v Speaker 1>on the front lines, it means great managers for the

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<v Speaker 1>two fifty restaurants we're going to open up, you know

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<v Speaker 1>during this year. It means great people in our office

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<v Speaker 1>as well to support our restaurants. The reason we are

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<v Speaker 1>company owned in that franchise is it takes a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of hard work, a lot of care and a commitment

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<v Speaker 1>to a purpose to actually care about the food, how

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<v Speaker 1>we source it, how we cook and training customers a

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<v Speaker 1>great experience. And so as long as we have a

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<v Speaker 1>great pipeline of people joining Chipotle developing into the management ranks,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll have a bright, bright bright future. That's that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>something that's going to be a high priority really in

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<v Speaker 1>any environment for us. All right. The only thing that

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<v Speaker 1>would have made it this better is having some guacamole

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<v Speaker 1>with you. I'm just gonna say in the house, but

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<v Speaker 1>you're making me hungry me as well. Um, Jack, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much. Hello to all of your team, and

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<v Speaker 1>we really appreciate it. That's of course Jack Carton. He's

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<v Speaker 1>the chief financial officer of Chipotle Mexican Grill. On the

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<v Speaker 1>Zoom from Chicago, this stock it is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>performers on the S and P five hundred today. You're

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<v Speaker 1>listening to Bloomberg Bus. This Week with Carol Messer and

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg Quick Takes Tim Stinovic on Bloomberg Radio. Super Bowl yep,

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<v Speaker 1>it's this weekend big matchup between the Bengals and the

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<v Speaker 1>Rams and Bloomberg I got sum my microphone on Go Bengals.

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<v Speaker 1>The cover story of Bloomberg Business Week this week is

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<v Speaker 1>about the Big Game and the betting apps that want

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<v Speaker 1>you to come for the game. And then you know it,

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<v Speaker 1>Tim staying Gamble forever. Yeah, and you're certainly seeing the

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<v Speaker 1>ad spend to accompany their desire to actually get you

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<v Speaker 1>on the platforms. Joel Weber is that at Bloomberg Business

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<v Speaker 1>Weeki's with us in the Bloomberg Interactive Broker studio. Peter

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<v Speaker 1>Robisson Projects and investigated investigations reporter for Bloomberg News. He

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<v Speaker 1>joins us on the phone from Seattle. Joel, it certainly

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<v Speaker 1>feels like, and it's clear reading this story by by

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<v Speaker 1>Peter and Ira, that there has been this sea change

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to the acceptance of sports betting from

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<v Speaker 1>something that was illegal and you know, prevented people from

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<v Speaker 1>joining halls of fames, uh, to something that is actually

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<v Speaker 1>being embraced by the league's What happened uh, the smartphone.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of kind of true though, I think, um,

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<v Speaker 1>what with the story really goes into here is the

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<v Speaker 1>look everybody's We've long seen what sports gambling can do,

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<v Speaker 1>and there it's always been a concern that the integrity

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<v Speaker 1>of the game would be in question. Um and and

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<v Speaker 1>that is a legitimate concern. As as Peter and Ira

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<v Speaker 1>write in the story, basically every every sport in every

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<v Speaker 1>league around the world that has had to deal with

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<v Speaker 1>legal betting has had to confront this question of like

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<v Speaker 1>is does this have the potential to undermine the sanctity

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<v Speaker 1>of the game? And uh, that was a thing that

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL obsessed over for years and did not want

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<v Speaker 1>to embrace uh gambling. And then it was just like

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<v Speaker 1>never mind and and part of that was the money.

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<v Speaker 1>Um so, so Peter like, this has been a sea

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<v Speaker 1>change just within the last couple of years. What makes

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<v Speaker 1>this year's Super Bowl especially the one to watch when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to sports betting, Well, one big thing that

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<v Speaker 1>changed is that online sports betting is now legal in

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<v Speaker 1>New York and you saw a massive, massive uptake, more

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<v Speaker 1>than a million people created new accounts. Um and the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that the light bulb moment for me was was

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<v Speaker 1>reading a report from Golden Sacks, which which pointed out

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<v Speaker 1>that these apps over time might each have fifteen million customers,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's the number who watch a usual NFL game,

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<v Speaker 1>And so when you have that many eyeballs and that

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<v Speaker 1>many people coming regularly on your site, it gives you

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of power. And in a lot of other

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<v Speaker 1>countries that the gambling sites are are the way people

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<v Speaker 1>watch these games, and it's it's the filter through which

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<v Speaker 1>the games are watched, which which seems like a really

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<v Speaker 1>big deal for for all these sports over time. What

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<v Speaker 1>I find so fat well, what I find fascinating He

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<v Speaker 1>just wants to talk about the now Go bank was

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<v Speaker 1>I got it, um. But what I think is interesting

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<v Speaker 1>the MLB was early uh in on on draft kings,

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Kraft, Jerry Jones. I mean colleges they went from

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<v Speaker 1>like not doing anything to all of a sudden they're

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<v Speaker 1>investing in big time and there's meetings kind of I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like, was it was a craft Sun who brokered

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a meeting with one of the betting apps.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's just interesting how entrenched it's become. Yeah, there

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<v Speaker 1>there there was preparation behind the scenes for this moment,

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<v Speaker 1>even before the Supreme Court opened the floodgates with its

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<v Speaker 1>ruling legalizing sports betting outside of Nevada. In even before that,

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<v Speaker 1>as we report in the story, Roger Goodell met with

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<v Speaker 1>Jason Robbins from Draft Kings UH in a Boston suburb

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<v Speaker 1>with the craft with with Robert Kraft and his son

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<v Speaker 1>and UH fantasy. As another person we talked to said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, fantasy was really the wedge that helped these

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<v Speaker 1>leagues get comfortable. It was almost like a soft launch

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<v Speaker 1>for for gain bling. And it also showed the leagues

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<v Speaker 1>and everybody how popular this is. Okay, the question of purity,

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<v Speaker 1>how do they keep it pure? It's a really good

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<v Speaker 1>question and it sounds like one that the league is

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<v Speaker 1>still working out itself. We we talked to the chief

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<v Speaker 1>compliance officer for the NFL and they have developed an

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<v Speaker 1>online training course. They have stepped up their discussions with

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<v Speaker 1>league personnel about what information can be shared outside the

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<v Speaker 1>league because with so many prop bets, including what color

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<v Speaker 1>is the gatorade going to be that's dumped on the

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<v Speaker 1>coach's head, there's a lot of potential what what what

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<v Speaker 1>color is it going to be? Blue? Right? And I

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<v Speaker 1>guess one distinction is that those bets that tend to

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<v Speaker 1>be on offshore books, which are are less regulated. But

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<v Speaker 1>the point remains that there's a lot of potential for uh,

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<v Speaker 1>for shenanigans, and so the league is trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of that. They've also had workshops with players where

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<v Speaker 1>they bring in what they've called bad guys who have

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<v Speaker 1>been caught before, you know, trying to groom players in

0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:09.280
<v Speaker 1>six games. And you know that the skeptics will say

0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:13.479
<v Speaker 1>that that you can't you know, do that uh with

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<v Speaker 1>complete success and and really any one case it's gonna

0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:21.000
<v Speaker 1>it creates a huge perception problem. Uh. And and you

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<v Speaker 1>know you saw that even in the Premier League recently

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<v Speaker 1>where a yellow card given late in the match has

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<v Speaker 1>has you know, caused a fury on on Twitter with

0:23:29.400 --> 0:23:33.600
<v Speaker 1>people claiming that that there's somehow a fixed So it

0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:36.280
<v Speaker 1>just it changes the way people watch games. When when

0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:41.000
<v Speaker 1>betting is so entrenched, how much money is you know

0:23:41.040 --> 0:23:43.200
<v Speaker 1>slashing around here for the NFL, Like, what's the what's

0:23:43.240 --> 0:23:48.560
<v Speaker 1>they're they're taking all this It's it's already substantial. It's

0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:50.480
<v Speaker 1>in the hundreds of millions, you know, just just one

0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:53.840
<v Speaker 1>deal that the NFL signed with the data provider is

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<v Speaker 1>reportedly worth a hundred and twenty million a year to it,

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<v Speaker 1>and over time, they're they're talking a billion a year,

0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:02.800
<v Speaker 1>which is a lot of money for a league that Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>In the pandemic year, it took in twelve billion, so

0:24:06.200 --> 0:24:10.640
<v Speaker 1>uh and Goldman's talking, you know, thirty thirty billion plus

0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:13.480
<v Speaker 1>over time just in the US. UM. You know, you

0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:15.600
<v Speaker 1>mentioned the data providers there. That was the thing that

0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:18.800
<v Speaker 1>I learned in the story. Can you talk more about

0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:21.439
<v Speaker 1>what what's happening in the back ends and and that

0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:24.800
<v Speaker 1>that data because those are those are companies that many

0:24:24.800 --> 0:24:28.000
<v Speaker 1>people may not have heard of. Yeah, and and and

0:24:28.040 --> 0:24:30.760
<v Speaker 1>they're fascinating companies. It's companies. Um. One of them is

0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:34.320
<v Speaker 1>called Genius, and others called sport Radar in some cases

0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:37.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, again, the leagues are taking equity investments in

0:24:38.080 --> 0:24:41.240
<v Speaker 1>these companies. So the NFL has a stake in Genius.

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<v Speaker 1>And what these companies do really is they go to

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<v Speaker 1>events around the world and they collect they do a

0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:49.600
<v Speaker 1>live feed of the game, they collect data from it,

0:24:49.680 --> 0:24:53.800
<v Speaker 1>they collect statistics, and those statistics and the feed let's

0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:58.879
<v Speaker 1>sports books around the world. Uh, lay odds on on

0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:01.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, both the game them and events during the game,

0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:05.960
<v Speaker 1>and it's it's you know, it's incredible how many events

0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:08.919
<v Speaker 1>are covered. Some of these companies are covering, you know,

0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:11.840
<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand, two hundred thousand plus events a year, even

0:25:11.840 --> 0:25:15.200
<v Speaker 1>in lower tier leagues. Hey, Peter. One of the promises

0:25:15.280 --> 0:25:17.639
<v Speaker 1>that or at least the selling points that these apps

0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:20.000
<v Speaker 1>are and services are making to the leagues is this

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<v Speaker 1>idea of engagement and the way that it drives engagement

0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:25.840
<v Speaker 1>two levels that the teams want to see in the

0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:27.200
<v Speaker 1>leagues want to see. What do we know about the

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<v Speaker 1>relationship between the way that people bet, who bets and

0:25:29.640 --> 0:25:31.760
<v Speaker 1>to what extent they actually pay more attention and tune

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<v Speaker 1>in and see the ads in the games? Well, I know,

0:25:35.640 --> 0:25:40.639
<v Speaker 1>Genius has a statistic that people are more likely to

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<v Speaker 1>watch a game if if they're placing a bet on it.

0:25:42.960 --> 0:25:45.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, certainly if your money is at stake, you're

0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:48.040
<v Speaker 1>you're more likely to watch or at least to watch

0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:52.639
<v Speaker 1>a portion of it. Uh So that's one big factor.

0:25:52.680 --> 0:25:54.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean. The other factor we get into in the

0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:59.359
<v Speaker 1>stories is just the possibility of addiction that that you know,

0:25:59.400 --> 0:26:04.920
<v Speaker 1>as one person pointed out, uh, you know that that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, people between the men between the ages of

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen to thirty five are especially likely to gamble. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that that increase in rates already, that is like

0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:16.199
<v Speaker 1>such an important point in this because it looks like

0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:18.480
<v Speaker 1>a ton of fun, Like there's all these funny prop beds.

0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:21.320
<v Speaker 1>Then it's like, oh, by the way, you know, eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>to thirty five, Like, can you imagine how many people

0:26:24.119 --> 0:26:25.960
<v Speaker 1>are going to get addicted out of this because it

0:26:26.000 --> 0:26:27.639
<v Speaker 1>seems like nothing. And then it's like, oh, wow, that

0:26:27.800 --> 0:26:29.880
<v Speaker 1>just drained my bank account. That's your future cover story.

0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:31.800
<v Speaker 1>You know it's coming. Well, you know, we can start

0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:33.920
<v Speaker 1>with this one and we'll see where it goes. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's interesting to have this story. We've got

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<v Speaker 1>the Super Bowl, and then of course you've got the

0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:40.880
<v Speaker 1>former Miami Dolphins head coach Brian Flores his suit, which

0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:45.160
<v Speaker 1>included a claim that the owner of the team had

0:26:45.200 --> 0:26:48.040
<v Speaker 1>offered him money to throw the game for each games

0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:50.479
<v Speaker 1>high for the next year. This is going to be

0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:53.280
<v Speaker 1>a big conversation, continues to be ahead of the Super Bowl.

0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:56.280
<v Speaker 1>Um our. Thanks you, Joe Weber, Editor of BusinessWeek. Peter Robinson,

0:26:56.480 --> 0:26:59.760
<v Speaker 1>Projects and Investigations reporter at Bloomberg News. The cover story

0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:05.040
<v Speaker 1>check it out. You're listening to Bloomberg Business Week with

0:27:05.119 --> 0:27:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Carol Messer and Bloomberg Quick Takes Tim Stinovic on Bloomberg Radio.

0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:14.080
<v Speaker 1>Another stock jumping on earnings today or its latest quarterly update.

0:27:14.119 --> 0:27:17.399
<v Speaker 1>Have A Pharmaceutical up about seven percent after reporting that

0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:21.159
<v Speaker 1>fourth quarter earnings beat estimates. Core Schultz as president and

0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:24.000
<v Speaker 1>CEO of tv A Pharmaceutical, on the phone from Parsippany,

0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:27.040
<v Speaker 1>New Jersey. Core, how are you. I'm very fine. How

0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:29.359
<v Speaker 1>are you doing doing well? Thanks? Hey, I want to

0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:31.120
<v Speaker 1>just briefly touch on the quarter and then jump into

0:27:31.160 --> 0:27:34.000
<v Speaker 1>some other stuff. Um T have A shares up seven

0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:36.199
<v Speaker 1>percent now. It was up nine percent in or day

0:27:36.200 --> 0:27:40.119
<v Speaker 1>after reporting those earnings. Whilst Fargo says two could be

0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:43.120
<v Speaker 1>the trough for TV sales even as growth remains elusive.

0:27:43.160 --> 0:27:45.760
<v Speaker 1>Where are you going for growth? We will go in

0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:48.200
<v Speaker 1>for growth in our key products. So we have two

0:27:48.280 --> 0:27:52.040
<v Speaker 1>products on the market. Jovi for prevention on migraine, which

0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:56.320
<v Speaker 1>is a verificacious, convenient solution for people suffering from chronic

0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:59.840
<v Speaker 1>migraine during check once a month or once every third month.

0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:04.480
<v Speaker 1>It's the longest acting anti cyp in the marketplace, and

0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:07.640
<v Speaker 1>it gives you a really significant reduction in your micraine days.

0:28:07.680 --> 0:28:10.679
<v Speaker 1>So that's one product is penetrating nicely in US and

0:28:10.680 --> 0:28:13.399
<v Speaker 1>Europe right now and that will be driving growth in

0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:16.720
<v Speaker 1>calling coming ten years, I would say. And then we

0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:20.080
<v Speaker 1>have Osteto, which is the product that is indicated for

0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:23.679
<v Speaker 1>two things. One is Huntington's disease Korea and Huntington's at

0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:28.040
<v Speaker 1>least involuntary movements and tart of this keynesia, which is

0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:32.760
<v Speaker 1>also significant involuntary movements that really disturb, you know, people's

0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 1>lives and and it's really difficult to have a job

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 1>and function socially when you have these involuntary movements. And

0:28:40.000 --> 0:28:43.960
<v Speaker 1>Osteto is currently doing very well, growing nicely. It will

0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:47.960
<v Speaker 1>sort of surpass a billion dollars this year, and we

0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:50.760
<v Speaker 1>see that it's a huge potential because tart of this

0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:54.080
<v Speaker 1>keynesia has not been treated in the past, because there's

0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:56.560
<v Speaker 1>been no drug to treat it, and now we have

0:28:56.680 --> 0:29:00.200
<v Speaker 1>this possibility. And right now, out of the probably five

0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:03.720
<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand people suffering from chart of dyskinesia, there's less

0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 1>than six percent being on on therapy and getting help.

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:10.760
<v Speaker 1>So another big growth driver. And the third thing is

0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:12.960
<v Speaker 1>that this year we hope to get approval mid year

0:29:13.280 --> 0:29:18.520
<v Speaker 1>from FDA on a new long acting antipsychotic therapy sparred

0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:21.840
<v Speaker 1>on l AI in a new and improved way of

0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:26.360
<v Speaker 1>long acting. Most antipsychotics that are long acting treating for

0:29:27.720 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 1>people who suffer from mental illness is long acting by

0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:36.560
<v Speaker 1>a depot that is injected in some muscular so a

0:29:36.640 --> 0:29:41.760
<v Speaker 1>long needle that injects the depot deep into your muscle tissue.

0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:44.960
<v Speaker 1>This is a new and better product that's subcutaneous, so

0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:48.800
<v Speaker 1>a small, thin needle, very short, very easy to inject.

0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:52.880
<v Speaker 1>And it's really important because when you suffer from schizophrenia,

0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:55.800
<v Speaker 1>every time you relapse, you actually lose some of your

0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:58.880
<v Speaker 1>cognitive function of your brain. So you want people not

0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:01.160
<v Speaker 1>to relapse. You want them on long acting play oky.

0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:04.640
<v Speaker 1>But if it's painful and inconvenient and people go for

0:30:04.760 --> 0:30:07.360
<v Speaker 1>the oral tablets and then they go off the tablets

0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:09.760
<v Speaker 1>at some point in time to get a psychosis, and

0:30:09.840 --> 0:30:11.760
<v Speaker 1>it's real bad news for them. So this will be

0:30:11.880 --> 0:30:13.760
<v Speaker 1>would be good for patients and we hope to launch

0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:16.760
<v Speaker 1>this year. Well. Court we appreciate that, and and because

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:20.240
<v Speaker 1>our investors and not our investors, but the investment audience

0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:22.560
<v Speaker 1>and certainly our listeners want to know what's coming down

0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:26.320
<v Speaker 1>the pipeline. Having said that, I feel like they don't

0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:29.520
<v Speaker 1>think it's a clean story until all of the lawsuits

0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:33.840
<v Speaker 1>and litigation over the opioid settlements is done. You guys

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:37.320
<v Speaker 1>did do million dollar opioid settlement with Texas that was

0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:40.840
<v Speaker 1>on February four. More deals maybe ahead, at least that's

0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 1>what our Bloomberg intelligence team is writing. And you have

0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:45.600
<v Speaker 1>said that you might pay as much as three point

0:30:45.680 --> 0:30:49.600
<v Speaker 1>six billion in US settlements. Are we talking about cash settlements?

0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Is that a real number? And what's the timeline? So

0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:56.640
<v Speaker 1>what we talk about is a mixture of cash and product,

0:30:57.240 --> 0:31:00.240
<v Speaker 1>and we, of course, being the largest generic manufact during

0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:03.080
<v Speaker 1>the world, doing more medicine than anybody else, we have

0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:05.920
<v Speaker 1>the locky position that we can provide products that are

0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:09.840
<v Speaker 1>needed to combat the opioid epidemic. And what we have

0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:13.360
<v Speaker 1>agreed with Texas is that we're providing a hundred fifty

0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:16.600
<v Speaker 1>million dollars in cash over fifteen years, and we are

0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:20.480
<v Speaker 1>providing generic knock and spray, which is a product used

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:23.479
<v Speaker 1>when people have an overdose situation. So it's a very

0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:28.360
<v Speaker 1>useful product to fight overdose deaths. And this product, by

0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:32.200
<v Speaker 1>the way, is actually manufactured in our facility in Salt

0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:34.760
<v Speaker 1>Lake City on a dedicated line we have there. So

0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:37.400
<v Speaker 1>it's also you know, good good for the US that

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:40.680
<v Speaker 1>it's a US manufactured product we're supplying. But core you

0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:42.760
<v Speaker 1>know that there are some lawyers for some of the

0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:46.600
<v Speaker 1>plain TIFFs that question the value of the drug component,

0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 1>the cost of that um and our skeptical, you know,

0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:54.560
<v Speaker 1>skeptical about you know, basing maybe every any kind of

0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:58.840
<v Speaker 1>national deal on what what what happened in the Texas settlement?

0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:01.440
<v Speaker 1>So what do your expect patients? Will it continue to

0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:05.920
<v Speaker 1>be this combination of drugs and maybe a smaller cash component,

0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:09.040
<v Speaker 1>or might you have to pony up some significant cash

0:32:09.160 --> 0:32:12.720
<v Speaker 1>going forward to to put this completely behind you? You know,

0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:14.680
<v Speaker 1>what you're seeing in Texas is really that we have

0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:16.840
<v Speaker 1>changed the mixture, because if you go back a bit

0:32:16.880 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 1>more than two years when we had the framework settlement

0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:23.000
<v Speaker 1>with the state ages where both Johnson Johnson, the three

0:32:23.080 --> 0:32:27.120
<v Speaker 1>distributors and we came up with a solution. The solution

0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:29.520
<v Speaker 1>for j n J and the distributors were sold based

0:32:29.560 --> 0:32:31.640
<v Speaker 1>on cash and we were the only ones having a

0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:35.080
<v Speaker 1>combination of cash and product. Back then, it was two

0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:39.560
<v Speaker 1>million dollars in cash and twenty three billion dollars in product.

0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Now we have of course switched that dramatically around now

0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 1>you could say with the Luciana settlement and with the

0:32:46.000 --> 0:32:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Texas settlement. And in the Texas settlement the value is

0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:52.320
<v Speaker 1>two thirds cash one third product. So there's been a

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:56.400
<v Speaker 1>significant change. And it's no secret that the plane of lawyers,

0:32:56.480 --> 0:32:58.720
<v Speaker 1>they don't get fees based on the product. So of

0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:02.040
<v Speaker 1>course from there earns perspective, it's much better to see

0:33:02.120 --> 0:33:04.400
<v Speaker 1>cast and product, and you could see I think the

0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 1>mix we have now in Texas is both very good

0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:13.000
<v Speaker 1>for the population in Texas people suffering from sofistance Altimore,

0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:16.360
<v Speaker 1>profitable for the planing lawyers. Everybody has to agree. At

0:33:16.360 --> 0:33:18.520
<v Speaker 1>the end of the day. It makes me optimistic we

0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:21.479
<v Speaker 1>can reach a nationwide settlement by the end of the year.

0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:24.360
<v Speaker 1>It just quickly, yes, no, within the next two months,

0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:27.080
<v Speaker 1>is all right. I gotta run court. Thank you so much.

0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:29.800
<v Speaker 1>I wish we had more time, course salts to his president,

0:33:29.880 --> 0:33:33.120
<v Speaker 1>chief executive officer Teva Pharmaceutical on the phone from Precipiti

0:33:33.160 --> 0:33:35.480
<v Speaker 1>in New Jersey. Excuse me, but we are definitely seeing

0:33:35.520 --> 0:33:42.400
<v Speaker 1>the stock move higher in the trade today now, But

0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:47.320
<v Speaker 1>you want me drive? Oh no, no, no, no home please,

0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:50.720
<v Speaker 1>I'll do the right gravels. I don't want to drive.

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:58.960
<v Speaker 1>It's good question, good drive. This is the drive to

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<v Speaker 1>the Globe Radio. All right, everybody, we are just about

0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:08.319
<v Speaker 1>ten and a half minutes away from the closing bail

0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:10.400
<v Speaker 1>and what's been another busy week for earnings. We've got

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:13.200
<v Speaker 1>a bunch coming after the clothes in concluding, of course,

0:34:13.239 --> 0:34:16.080
<v Speaker 1>Walt Disney Company. That's the big one. Uber Sonos, Ye,

0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:18.600
<v Speaker 1>don't forget about supply chain questions when it comes to

0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Sonos and Mattel. And also as people are getting out

0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:23.319
<v Speaker 1>in the world post pandemic, maybe they're not so into

0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:26.120
<v Speaker 1>buying sound systems and the light right for their home.

0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:28.640
<v Speaker 1>That's an important question that we're gonna ask CEOs Patrick

0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 1>Spence tomorrow when we interview. We will, indeed, all right,

0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:33.280
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna break it all down after the closing. The meantime,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get some thoughts from our next guest, our drive

0:34:37.120 --> 0:34:39.280
<v Speaker 1>to the closed guest Eric Jackson back with us, founder

0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:42.640
<v Speaker 1>president of the Toronto based hedgephone E M J Capital

0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:44.759
<v Speaker 1>with us on the phone once again in Toronto. Eric,

0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:47.600
<v Speaker 1>good to have you back. How are you and I'm

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:51.239
<v Speaker 1>doing great. How are you guys doing? Okay? Doing okay? Uh,

0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:57.120
<v Speaker 1>exhausted already here, but that's why we love this world. Um. Hey,

0:34:57.440 --> 0:34:59.120
<v Speaker 1>we've been doing this a lot. We've been checking in

0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:02.040
<v Speaker 1>with managers now that we're in a new year. How

0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:05.239
<v Speaker 1>did twenty one turn out for you guys in terms

0:35:05.239 --> 0:35:07.800
<v Speaker 1>of performance? Because you you, we know you were like

0:35:07.880 --> 0:35:13.879
<v Speaker 1>what back in but curious about how last year played out? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it was. It was a challenging year for sure. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that they growth and tech stocks in particular, UM

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<v Speaker 1>probably topped out for one in mid February, and so

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<v Speaker 1>we're really almost coming up on a one year anniversary

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<v Speaker 1>of that date, where you know, you've you've had a

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<v Speaker 1>few pockets, uh in those twelve months where things have

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<v Speaker 1>rallied back, but uh, it's been a huge correction. So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if a year ago, basically folks were

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<v Speaker 1>already anticipating the interest rate discussions that we've been deep

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<v Speaker 1>into over these class whatever four or five in six

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<v Speaker 1>weeks um. But but growth stocks and small cap stocks

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<v Speaker 1>and the Russell stocks you know haven't really had a

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<v Speaker 1>hard time. So uh, it's been challenging for sure. It's

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<v Speaker 1>been it was its big, big change from for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it's so interesting though, Eric, because like about a

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<v Speaker 1>year ago we had you on the program, if my

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<v Speaker 1>memory serves me, read a couple of companies that you

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<v Speaker 1>talked about. UM. One included up Start, which finished the

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<v Speaker 1>year wow up two. Also, I know you were bullish

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<v Speaker 1>a year ago on Bombardier that had a great year

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<v Speaker 1>up close to two. So were you I mean, talked

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<v Speaker 1>about your positioning in those if you can, and and

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<v Speaker 1>to what extent that you know helped performance for you

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<v Speaker 1>in UM both were you know, big big positives for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>UM both incredibly UM you know, sort of tell the

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<v Speaker 1>tape tale of the tape of the whole markets because

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<v Speaker 1>with up Start you're talking about syntact that came public

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<v Speaker 1>in December to really no fanfare and no one was

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<v Speaker 1>paying attention to it. It's IPO price is twenty dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Peaked up last year just over four dollars UM. Then

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<v Speaker 1>it bottomed two and a half weeks ago. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was like seventy four dollars and now too as

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<v Speaker 1>today it's up to like I think it was like

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred to ten last time I look today, So huge, huge, moves. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>so I own, I'll start I own Bombardier. UM. Bombardier

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<v Speaker 1>was more kind of like a you know, a company

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<v Speaker 1>that was sort of left for debt and had a

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<v Speaker 1>great run last year as has approved, like like the

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<v Speaker 1>private check company was not it was not going to

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<v Speaker 1>default on any debt. UM, and so it's been it's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot less bottle bottles tell in comparison, but you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>positioning wise to him, I mean, to go through that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a draw down, I mean, you have to

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<v Speaker 1>learn to take profits along the way with some of

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<v Speaker 1>these big moves. But nothing changed operationally in either business

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, in most growth or tech businesses. That's

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<v Speaker 1>been the funny part, especially the last three or four months.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing's changed operationally for most of these companies, but the

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<v Speaker 1>markets basically freaked out. Everything got sold a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these names. You know, we're off fifty seven. So even today,

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<v Speaker 1>even though like some of these stocks have bounced just

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<v Speaker 1>the last couple of weeks, there's still there's still you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say the majority of growth technages out there

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<v Speaker 1>that that are still majorly discounted. So you have to

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<v Speaker 1>do your work. You have to like look into them. Um,

0:38:11.360 --> 0:38:13.360
<v Speaker 1>and don't just trust them. So the main narrative that

0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:15.759
<v Speaker 1>you hear on radio or TV where you have the

0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:17.959
<v Speaker 1>people come on and say, oh, you can't buy growth

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<v Speaker 1>or tech stocks and this rising very great environment. I

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<v Speaker 1>only want to, you know, buy stocks and I can

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<v Speaker 1>drop on my feet and value stocks and this and that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you just yesterday this company Joe, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>basically a flying taxi company. No revenue was up. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's up another eight percent today. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta you gotta do your own homework and make

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<v Speaker 1>make the best desistence for yourself. So is it easier

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<v Speaker 1>to be long or short right now? Uh? It's easier

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<v Speaker 1>to be long right now, I'd say for sure, Carol,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, even some of the most um beat

0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:54.320
<v Speaker 1>up stocks. Um, you know that we're easy shorts just

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<v Speaker 1>maybe like a month ago or six weeks ago, Uh

0:38:58.000 --> 0:39:01.080
<v Speaker 1>have all been levitating. So um, you know it's you

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<v Speaker 1>have to watch your short's. I mean, like like look

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<v Speaker 1>at Peloton for example. You know that's that's sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like a cautionary tale and massive you want to get

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<v Speaker 1>leaning too far one way being sure of stock. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean as of yesterday, I think Peloton was year today

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<v Speaker 1>at up six percent for the year, while Facebook was

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<v Speaker 1>down thirty five percent. So that's funny, hey, um, because

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<v Speaker 1>we don't think about those two in comparison. Right, Hey, Eric,

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<v Speaker 1>wondering about some stocks that you know you're looking at

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<v Speaker 1>that your bullish on. Let's start with National Cash Register

0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:34.520
<v Speaker 1>ticker n CR. Why are you optimistic? Well, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>like a it's a it's a pure value play. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's uh, most people don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>it's still of stock, but it's it's still around. It's

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<v Speaker 1>got two big businesses, one that caters to kind of

0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:49.000
<v Speaker 1>retail and restaurants selling you know, self serve checkout machines,

0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:51.400
<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing, and then another vertical, which is

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<v Speaker 1>focused on a t M s and banks. And so

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<v Speaker 1>it's even though they totally transformed their business over the

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<v Speaker 1>last couple of years and now something like over seven

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<v Speaker 1>percent of revenues are recurring as opposed to one time revenues. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's just a really cheap stock. Um, you know

0:40:06.719 --> 0:40:09.120
<v Speaker 1>that has sort of been forgotten about. So yesterday they

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<v Speaker 1>had an earnings and called the announced that they basically

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<v Speaker 1>or the board is exploring their options. So it's a

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<v Speaker 1>forty dollar stock today or forty three uh. My analysis

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<v Speaker 1>suggests that it's worth over a hundred bucks if the

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<v Speaker 1>pieces were sold off. So that's one where um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm happy to hold it and all ways to thinks

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<v Speaker 1>the play out, it seems like the management is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of throwing in the town now because they're sort of

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<v Speaker 1>set up with being ignored. So that's that's definitely one

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<v Speaker 1>that's UH. I think has UH is one to watch. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>We always enjoyed talking with you and really appreciated Eric. Thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>Eric Jackson, foundering president of E m J Capital, joining

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