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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: So on Friday.

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Speaker 2: Show, as Buck was knee deep, probably way higher than

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Speaker 2: knee deep in moving boxes getting into his new place,

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Speaker 2: we talked about the death of Dianne Feinstein and how

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Speaker 2: quickly it was likely to be the case that California

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Speaker 2: Governor Gavin Newsom would have a new nominee to replace her,

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Speaker 2: and we said that he had announced. Gavin Newsom had

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Speaker 2: prior that he would only pick a black woman as

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Speaker 2: his selection when it came, if it became necessary for

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Speaker 2: him to announce a replacement, and so already this morning

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Speaker 2: there has been I believe it's been officially announced. The

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Speaker 2: story certainly went out on Sunday evening. Newsom picked a

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Speaker 2: woman named Lafonza Butler. She may actually live in Maryland,

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Speaker 2: she may not even live in California, but she hit

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Speaker 2: the trifectas she is black, a woman, and gay. Maybe

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Speaker 2: even hit for the cycle since she worked at Emily's

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Speaker 2: List and that is one of the biggest donors in

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Speaker 2: the entire Democrat political base. So Gavin Newsom has done

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Speaker 2: what Joe Biden did Buck, which is pick someone for

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Speaker 2: the job, much like Joe Biden picked maybe Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 2: I think it's probably the case that he picked his

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Speaker 2: vice president because she was a black woman. But we

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Speaker 2: know specifically that Joe Biden had done what Buck. He

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Speaker 2: had said Katanji Brown Jackson, who was his pick for

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court. He said specifically he would pick a

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Speaker 2: black woman for the Supreme Court. He had made a

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Speaker 2: pledge that he would pick a woman for his vice

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Speaker 2: presidential running mate, not that it would be a black woman,

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Speaker 2: but probably not a surprise that he picked a black woman.

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Speaker 2: And now Gavin Newsom has picked a black woman after

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Speaker 2: saying I will limit my search to only black women.

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Speaker 2: It's worth noting that black women make up about six

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Speaker 1: So when you.

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Speaker 2: Are saying I'm only going to pick a black woman,

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Speaker 2: another way of analyzing this is you are specifically saying

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Speaker 2: I'm excluding ninety four percent of the American population from consideration.

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Speaker 2: And what I think is even worse is you're delegitimizing

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Speaker 2: your pick on its face because you're not even arguing

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Speaker 2: they're the most qualified person. You're telling us I'm picking

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Speaker 2: based on identity politics, and then you're doing it.

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Speaker 3: What do you think of as as fuck? Well, this

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Speaker 3: is I think, in some ways a window into Newsom's

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Speaker 3: aspirational thinking for himself, as in he understands that any

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Speaker 3: with the most consistently Democrat voting demographic of all the

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Speaker 3: So the politics for Gavin Newsom are right clear. Look,

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Speaker 3: I think that there's a lot of work to be

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Speaker 3: There need to be a lot of lawsuits, and there

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Speaker 3: need to be state companion laws or you know, laws

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Speaker 3: I just don't think he's running this time around. And

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Speaker 2: A couple of things on this buck that I think

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Speaker 2: I actually, when I saw the story about whether she

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Speaker 2: is so diabolical. I actually thought to myself, I wonder

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Speaker 2: if this gets him off the hook. If he points

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Speaker 2: a resident of the state and then not eligible. Does

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Speaker 2: he have to pick another black woman like? I don't

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Speaker 2: know how far the identity politics rules require, So I'm

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Speaker 2: wondering if he picked someone he knew was ineligible so

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Speaker 2: without violating his pledge.

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Speaker 1: Second part of this, and I love this.

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Speaker 2: Meghan Markle, who I guess technically qualifies as a black woman,

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Speaker 2: think that Meghan Markel or her representatives reached out to

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Speaker 2: be okay being appointed to the United States Senate? And

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Speaker 2: can you imagine the reaction if Gavin Newsom had appointed

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Speaker 1: You know this, That's what I wrot.

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Speaker 3: It's tough to know with Megan Markle. It's tough to

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Speaker 3: delusion that she is suffering from? Right, So was this

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Speaker 3: me and so many others have to address this because

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Speaker 3: it crosses over into our world, right when you're talking

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: Now they think they're they're capable of doing absolutely anything.

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Speaker 3: And the crazy part of this whole situation is Clay,

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Speaker 3: I mean, Megan Mark will be a better senator than

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Speaker 3: Diane Feinstein, you know, toward the area. Let's be honest.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, that is a statement of fact. They

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Speaker 3: when she passed away. And you know, rest in peace.

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Speaker 1: And or anti death or anti death on this web.

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Speaker 3: Anti death of any of anybody out there. But in

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Speaker 3: the final years here, I mean, you had somebody who

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Speaker 3: also saw that Nancy Pelosi's daughter was very involved with

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Speaker 1: I mean, she had a buck. She wasn't able.

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Speaker 2: She had a power of attorney signed over. I don't

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Speaker 2: know that most people understand how crazy this is. She

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Speaker 2: You shouldn't be able to have no power of attorney

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Speaker 2: public life. I mean she had she voted the day

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well this is but this is where you start

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Speaker 3: to get to all these conversations, all these discussions that

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Speaker 3: just all about the the edifice of Democrat power, and

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Speaker 3: You can make a very clear argument it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: I mean, these this isn't this isn't Cicero in the

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Speaker 3: What you have is a system that is increasingly self perpetuating,

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Speaker 3: Lafonsa Butler. She's going to be the third black woman

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean it points out to California in a

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Speaker 2: I hate to even have to contemplate that this is real,

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Speaker 2: but that Kamala Harris ends up president of the United States.

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Speaker 3: I know you say, I've heard this theory with you, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, she's probably she's probably better at the job

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Speaker 2: But I do think she would be so bad, Buck,

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Speaker 2: that if she were the nominee, she would get squashed.

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Speaker 2: I really do believe, and I understand you can make

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Speaker 3: But she's just one person, right, So if she's just

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Speaker 3: but the next diversity inclusion candidate's going to be fantastic.

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Speaker 2: I think you're starting to see all over America people

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Speaker 2: That's scary to me, Like, this is why I couldn't

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Speaker 2: Buck Sexton show, Trump speaking to reporters outside of the

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Speaker 1: We were just talking about it off air, and all

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Speaker 2: The entire purpose of this civil fraud trial seems to

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Speaker 3: Listen, mister Trumble, you want to be here in person

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Speaker 5: Watch this witch hundred oh a witch hunt for years.

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Speaker 5: This is really now getting nerve between Jack Smith and

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Speaker 5: between all of these the UJ people helping them along.

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Speaker 5: This is a fewer witch hunt for purposes of interferior

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Speaker 5: with the elections of the United States of America. It's

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Speaker 5: totally illegal. This judge should be this party shouldn't be allowed.

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Speaker 3: To be a judge.

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Speaker 2: Sang it Okay. So the one thing I think is

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Speaker 2: interesting here, Buck is I think we are setting ourselves

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Speaker 2: up in the event that these cases actually go to trial,

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Speaker 2: and the first one is scheduled to start in March.

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Speaker 1: In terms of the criminal cases in.

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Speaker 2: DC, I think Trump may do press conferences every day

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Speaker 2: while the trial's going on. And this is important because

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Speaker 2: Jack Smith is trying to gag him. Right now, we're

447
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Speaker 2: going to see a criminal trial that is truly not

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Speaker 2: leave aside the fact that Trump is the currently former

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Speaker 2: president running for presidential office.

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Speaker 1: Again.

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Speaker 2: I can't even remember a time buck when a criminal

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Speaker 2: defendant would do press. I mean, I'm laughing about it.

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Speaker 2: It's so crazy where a criminal defendant would potentially do

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Speaker 2: daily press conferences.

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Speaker 1: I'm not talking about his lawyers.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about the defendant himself potentially on the steps

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Speaker 2: of the courthouse as basically his campaign strategy. Because I

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Speaker 2: think that's a little bit of a preview of what

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Speaker 2: you just saw.

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Speaker 3: That's that is the campaign. I mean, this is the

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Speaker 3: million dollar question, or maybe the trillion dollar question, given

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Speaker 3: the stakes these days, is will these appearances going forward

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four, because there's going to be more

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Speaker 3: of them, whether it's just to get trials moved or

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Speaker 3: motions or whatever, will be will be visual of Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump showing up and saying this is all rigged. I mean,

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Speaker 3: usually the lawyer is the one that does this too,

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Speaker 3: which I think is so interesting. The speaks for himself there.

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Speaker 3: Usually you'd be you'd have a lawyer, especially in a

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Speaker 3: criminal case, you'd have a lawyer do all the talking.

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Speaker 3: I think that you're going to see this is something

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Speaker 3: that that the Democrats believe is very effective for Trump

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Speaker 3: in the primary. The gamble that they are taking is

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Speaker 3: that it will be toxic in swing states to independent voters. Uh,

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Speaker 3: and that's now, that's.

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Speaker 2: What they What do you think? Yeah, I get it,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm it's I mean, it's interesting because

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Speaker 2: we had the Eging Carol case, right, and they were like,

479
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Speaker 2: we're going to brand Trumps as a rapist. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: they got a conviction. The oh's five million dollars whatever

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Speaker 2: it was sexual assault. We can argue about these act

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Speaker 2: derivations of that and how it was applied. Nobody seemed

483
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Speaker 2: to care. Like the Eging Carroll thing happened, and I

484
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Speaker 2: think she sued him again, he went and denied it,

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Speaker 2: and it's all occurred in there. There may be another

486
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Speaker 2: defamation trial, whatever it's going to be. It legitimately had

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Speaker 2: zero impact. And so the question that I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: wrap her in my head and I'm curious what you

489
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Speaker 2: would say right now, A part of me feels like

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Speaker 2: none of this is going to have any impact because

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Speaker 2: every voter has already weighed in.

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Speaker 1: Yew, maybe I'm true.

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Speaker 3: I think that's true of ninety eight percent of the

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Speaker 3: electorate and the last two percent is what they think

495
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Speaker 3: will end up determining the election. Right, So it doesn't

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Speaker 3: it doesn't feel like it does anything in the in

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Speaker 3: the immediate sense, it's not convincing people in a way

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Speaker 3: that you could see and that they're going to make

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Speaker 3: the polls move. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: there is going to be a decision made by a

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Speaker 3: few hundred thousand people probably in the six states, the

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Speaker 3: five states that really matter, and will a Republican presidential contender,

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Speaker 3: you know, will they view this as it's all a

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Speaker 3: witch hunt, or will they view it as he brought

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Speaker 3: this on himself, or I just don't want to deal

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Speaker 3: with this headache anymore. You know. The noise and nobody

507
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Speaker 3: can really tell you how that shakes out. That's the

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Speaker 3: big part of this that is left out sitting. No

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Speaker 3: one really knows. So Democrats, hey, they've thrown I mean,

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Speaker 3: if you one thing that won, they got four criminal

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Speaker 3: I mean I know there's but four criminal prosecutions of

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Speaker 3: him outstanding right now. Four The guy's never faced a

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Speaker 3: criminal prosecution in this omo eighty years of life, and

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Speaker 3: now he faces four. So they just decided kitchen sink

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Speaker 3: is the way.

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Speaker 2: I think this is so crazy, too, Buck, because we're

517
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Speaker 2: coming up when now we're in October, it's, you know,

518
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Speaker 2: thirteen months until the actual election, and you guys know

519
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Speaker 2: how things work. It's gonna get to Thanksgiving and then

520
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 2: Christmas and then New Years. And I feel like as

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four begins, this is every single one of

522
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Speaker 2: you out there listening to us right now, especially if

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Speaker 2: you're a guy. You've had a friend who was engaged,

524
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Speaker 2: and I bet a lot of women have two I

525
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 2: can only speak to guys and you've been like, I

526
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 2: can't believe this wedding's gonna happen, and you're like, well,

527
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Speaker 2: it's six months away.

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Speaker 1: Something will happen.

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Speaker 2: And I feel like for the Democrats, it's as if

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Speaker 2: they don't really realize what wheels they've put in motion.

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Speaker 2: Like you realize you get engaged, eventually, a wedding ceremony happens,

532
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Speaker 2: right like you have to talk to your buddy. At

533
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Speaker 2: some point you understand what you've done here, Like the

534
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Speaker 2: wheels are moving and suddenly are we going to get

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Speaker 2: to March?

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Speaker 1: And Democrats are gonna have to answer questions?

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Speaker 2: I mean they're already starting to, you know, with the

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Speaker 2: gag orders and everything else. I mean, are they going

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Speaker 2: to try to put Trump in prison? Has anybody even

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Speaker 2: thought about what happens with Secret Service protection? I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think probably what they would do, Buck is just

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Speaker 2: put him on try to put him on house arrest

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Speaker 2: at mar A Lago. But during a presidential campaign, even

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Speaker 2: that is crazy. What I'm getting at is the permutations

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Speaker 2: of Democrat insanity. We haven't yet started to reap the

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Speaker 2: consequences of their decisions in a broad way, and I

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Speaker 2: wonder if they've even contemplated the wheels of justice that

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Speaker 2: they put in motion, because eventually we're gonna get to March,

549
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: and it's gonna happen for a lot of us really quick,

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Speaker 2: because it's going to come out of the holidays and

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Speaker 2: we're gonna be like, holy crap, this is two months away.

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Speaker 1: People are prepared for what we're gonna see.

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Speaker 2: Buck, I really am not sure as a nation that

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Speaker 2: they've even thought through what this.

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Speaker 1: Is going to look like.

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Speaker 3: I think that's true.

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Speaker 1: And I just I can't believe this is where we are.

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Speaker 3: Bowman should be charged and pay a fine for creating

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Speaker 3: something that we've been talking about. I think it is

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Speaker 3: some of our calls.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 3: We have Russell in Tampa, Florida. What's going on? Russell, Hey,

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Speaker 3: excited to be with you.

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Speaker 4: Just want to bring up a couple points. I'm a

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Speaker 4: lifelong Florida native and a full time rematch real estate agent.

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Speaker 4: And what people don't realize when a property is sold

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Speaker 4: in the state of Florida, it's assessed typically for eighty

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Speaker 4: percent of the purchase price number one, number two. Assessments

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Speaker 4: are capped by STO in the state of Florida. Homesteads

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Speaker 4: could only go up three percent a year, commercial property

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Speaker 4: ten percent a year. So depending on the number of

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Speaker 4: years and what he paid for the property, that assessment

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Speaker 4: is going to be way off point. That's point number one,

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Speaker 4: point number two. Every prosecutor and the judge in New

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Speaker 4: York I want to know what they sold their last

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Speaker 4: home for and how much over the assessment they sold

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Speaker 4: it for. They should be sued for fraud as well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the call.

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Speaker 2: Here's the big issue on the Trump fraud trial that

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Speaker 2: I see Buck, and I think that Trump people should

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Speaker 2: be hammering this as hard as they can.

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Speaker 1: In order for there to be a fraud, doesn't there

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Speaker 1: have to be a victim?

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Speaker 2: Like, what is the crime of the And I know

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Speaker 2: it's not a criminal trial right now, but what is

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Speaker 2: the civil fraud? The banks got paid, the loans didn't

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Speaker 2: go bad. How do you have a fraud when there's

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Speaker 2: no victim of a fraud? And I haven't hurt a

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Speaker 2: good argument for this in any way to even justify

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Speaker 2: how this proceeding could be going on.

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Speaker 3: Well, that was always the big argument against all this

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Speaker 3: was that the banks are one sophisticated financial correctors you

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Speaker 3: would certainly hope so, and two did not lose anything

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Speaker 3: in any of these processes. So how can you have

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Speaker 3: a crime without a crime? Right? Yes, well, where's the

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Speaker 3: no harm no foul principle applied here in a financial context?

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Speaker 3: But Clay it almost you know, you start to go

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Speaker 3: a little crazy with some of this stuff when you

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Speaker 3: analyze it from a legal perspective, because the law is

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Speaker 3: just the tool here. It's really just politics, right, So Currense,

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Speaker 3: you see it through a political lens that it all

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Speaker 3: makes sense because they're not even making serious legal arguments

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Speaker 3: with some of this stuff. Or I should say they're

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Speaker 3: not making arguments that should be taken seriously.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there are some things I disagree with on the

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Speaker 2: charges criminally, Like I don't believe they should be applied

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Speaker 2: the New York City case, for instance, Oh, we're going

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Speaker 2: to elevate a misdemeanor to a felony on a bookkeeping

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Speaker 2: charge effectively, but I understand the logic under which the

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Speaker 2: charge could occur. I don't even understand the logic of

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Speaker 2: how you make an argument here, you know, mar a Lago, bookkeeping,

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Speaker 2: the possession of papers. I understand how these arguments could

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Speaker 2: be made from a legal perspective, I don't support them.

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Speaker 2: I don't even understand how you can have a civil

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Speaker 2: action for fraud when there is no consequence of any

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Speaker 2: fraud at all. That's the one that I just keep

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Speaker 2: coming back to again and again. If you're right, it's

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Speaker 2: totally political, but I don't even understand how it gets

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Speaker 2: over the hurdle to even be able to be a

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Speaker 2: broad case when there is no victim of the fraud.

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Speaker 1: In any respect.

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Speaker 3: Well, this is an argument that comes up sometimes in

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Speaker 3: mortgage fraud cases, right where they'll say, well, there's a

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Speaker 3: mortgage fraud even if the mortgage is being paid and

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Speaker 3: it doesn't seem like the bank has had has had losses.

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Speaker 3: So you know, I'm not sympathetic to the argument that

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Speaker 3: there should be criminal felony charge is brought against an

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Speaker 3: individual when there hasn't been any actual harm done to

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Speaker 3: anyone that I can point to. But again, we're getting

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Speaker 3: into the legal realities here when we understand that the

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Speaker 3: political necessity for Democrats is what's driving absolutely all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you just look at it too.

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Speaker 2: And again I would hammer this more and more than

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Speaker 2: the Trump people even are. In addition to there being

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Speaker 2: no actual victim here, what are they even trying to

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Speaker 2: teach by bringing this charge. I don't even understand the

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Speaker 2: larger state perspective here. And then of course you can

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Speaker 2: get into the fact that Leticia James said, Hey, you

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Speaker 2: need to elect me because I'm going to go after Trump.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of elections, Buck Robert F. Kennedy Junior potentially going

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Speaker 2: to announce in a third party race. What's the impact

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Speaker 2: who wins, who loses. We'll talk about at it next

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Speaker 2: out