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Speaker 2: We're gonna fly.

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Speaker 1: All of the wakes of jack Bank.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Week eleven of the NFL season.

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Speaker 1: Ready, I know already.

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Speaker 3: The man next to me really needs no introduction. Ninety

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Speaker 3: seven point one personality Pro Bowl guard for the Detroit

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Speaker 3: Lions and the Green Bay Packers. TJ Laning in the studio.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate taking the till keach.

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Speaker 4: Finally, Man, it.

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Speaker 2: Only took eleven weeks to get to bike, but I

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Speaker 2: appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Here we go every year I have you on and

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Speaker 3: I do believe I've tried to effort this for a

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Speaker 3: couple of weeks. On my defense that you're busy guy,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're popular, do a popular podcast. Now you've

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Speaker 3: got all this other stuff you got going on. So

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you worked me into your schedule.

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Speaker 5: That's I just need a couple of weeks, notice, possibly

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Speaker 5: a month, you know, I gotta get you on the

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Speaker 5: schedule a month. But now it's it's good to finally

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Speaker 5: be here, man, And what a fun season.

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Speaker 2: This has been so dude, it's crazy.

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Speaker 3: And now you've got the Jacksonville Jaguars coming in and

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Speaker 3: I know what everybody out there says, no Trevor Lawrence

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Speaker 3: this week, that was announced on Wednesday to an eight

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Speaker 3: think their record indicates how close they've played teams and

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Speaker 3: how they fought this year. Six of those eight losses

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Speaker 3: Green Bay they lost thirty twenty seven, Philly they lost

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Speaker 3: just expect, Okay, we can just walk into this and

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Speaker 5: As long as we do what we have to do,

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Speaker 5: we're going to be fine. I think the Jacksonville team,

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Speaker 5: Same and they've got some talent. And then the offensive

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Speaker 5: So Jacksonville hasn't figured it out yet. But when you

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Speaker 5: You can't take this team for granted. I think this

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Speaker 5: He's the guy that opposing offenses have to circle right.

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Speaker 4: Like, I don't know what this guy is. He's an animal.

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Speaker 5: Like even last week on the broadcast, we're watching him

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Speaker 1: They crazy see why they signed them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I can't wait to see what Zadarius is

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Speaker 3: And one thing you can't measure too is just the

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Speaker 3: Here in a NodD situation in Cleveland, two wins, it's

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Speaker 5: I think he knows what Dan Campbell and this team

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Speaker 5: Man and Zadarias Smith looks like that type of person

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Speaker 3: All right, I would be remiss if I didn't talk

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Speaker 1: I think how much time we got, We've got all

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Speaker 2: That's that's on your duty today.

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Speaker 3: and look, that's been the key for Detroit all years

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, if there's one group primed for a comeback

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Speaker 4: So it's gonna be a.

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Speaker 3: How fun would it have been for you to play

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Speaker 5: we both came here to Detroit. N's just on a

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Speaker 4: So you kind of like, man, it's making me look

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Speaker 5: The stunts, you know, the pass protection being on the

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Speaker 4: To get beat. It would have been.

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Speaker 5: And it brings up everybody else's level of competitive play

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Speaker 5: And the takeaways that they've been getting, I know, the corners.

438
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Speaker 5: It was about ten weeks, man, those guys were getting

439
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Speaker 5: bitter and jealous watching Kirby and watching Bryan get all

440
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Speaker 5: the takeaways. And then finally, how fitting last week we

441
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Speaker 5: get to see Carlton Davis finally get his hands on

442
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Speaker 5: a couple of balls and the play, I know, you know,

443
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Speaker 5: the first play of the second half. Man, we didn't

444
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Speaker 5: I think ended up in another inception. He didn't get

445
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Speaker 5: points off that, but if flipped the field and you

446
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Speaker 5: felt like that was momentum changer. If you go down

447
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Speaker 5: three scores going into that second half, much like what

448
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Speaker 5: we saw Detroit do in Green Bay a couple of

449
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Speaker 5: weeks ago, it's really hard to dig yourself out of

450
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Speaker 5: that hole, especially against a good team. So that was

451
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Speaker 5: a big play just to get stop the momentum from

452
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Speaker 5: Houston a little bit, I think. And then later in

453
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Speaker 5: the game, I mean that play he made on that

454
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Speaker 5: deep interception to Tank Dell the closing speedes and look,

455
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Speaker 5: I know CJ. Stroud is probably watching that kicking himself, going,

456
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Speaker 5: oh my goodness, like he just there. But you know what,

457
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Speaker 5: that's Carlton Davis not giving up on the play. And

458
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Speaker 5: that's Carlton Davis going and chasing that thing down and saying,

459
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Speaker 5: you know what, I got a chance to go make

460
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Speaker 5: a play. And that's that's a takeaway. That's taking points

461
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Speaker 5: off the board too. Terry and Arnold, Man, I know

462
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Speaker 5: he got called for a penalty last week, and I

463
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Speaker 5: don't I can't imagine how hard it is, uh, you know,

464
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Speaker 5: to be a defensive back one on one and everybody,

465
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Speaker 5: all of us are.

466
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Speaker 4: Sitting there, man, just turn your head, you know what

467
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Speaker 4: I mean.

468
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Speaker 5: Like, it's so especially with the rules, and it's so

469
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Speaker 5: incredibly hard to judge that up, you know, to to

470
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Speaker 5: read the body language and because how many times do

471
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Speaker 5: we see a guy turn his head and the ball

472
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Speaker 5: goes right over his head?

473
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Speaker 4: And it's like, man, if you would have just put your.

474
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Speaker 2: Arm up, you know what I mean.

475
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Speaker 5: So it's like it's incredibly difficult, but I'd love the

476
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Speaker 5: I love the feistiness that these guys play with. And

477
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Speaker 5: I think even the support that these guys give in

478
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Speaker 5: the run game is admirable too. I mean, Carlton Davis

479
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Speaker 5: made some big tackles last week. Terran Arnold has kind

480
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Speaker 5: of proven that he's not afraid to get dirty and

481
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Speaker 5: get his nose in there. We know what Brian Branch

482
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Speaker 5: is going to bring to you. Brian, you can't be

483
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Speaker 5: afraid to go take on a block from a tackle

484
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Speaker 5: or a couple tight ends. We saw Brian Branch make

485
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Speaker 5: a couple of those plays last week. But you're right, man,

486
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Speaker 5: they're going to have to continue to play at that

487
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Speaker 5: high level.

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Speaker 4: I think it.

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Speaker 5: Hopefully the rush will continue to help them. Adding Zadarius

490
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Speaker 5: Smith not giving those quarterbacks as much time as they've

491
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Speaker 5: had uh the last couple of weeks. Uh, and maybe

492
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Speaker 5: it allow Aaron Glenn to, you know, stop pressuring maybe

493
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Speaker 5: as much. I think he's had to kind of be

494
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Speaker 5: exotic over the past couple of weeks, throw some blitzes

495
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Speaker 5: at that you know, we we haven't seen before and

496
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Speaker 5: maybe we're gonna try to confuse teams. I don't think

497
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Speaker 5: that's the way he wants to play. He wants to

498
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Speaker 5: rush for and he wants to let his guys play

499
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Speaker 5: tough man on man coverage.

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Speaker 4: Let us sayet these kind of wander the field.

501
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Speaker 5: So I think with the addition of Jadarius Smith, how

502
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Speaker 5: that ties into the way the secondary wants to play.

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Speaker 4: That could help out as well. And I know last week.

504
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Speaker 4: I don't know if he's going to play this week.

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Speaker 5: But a guy that finished last season on a high

506
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Speaker 5: note that we haven't seen yet, who I think is

507
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Speaker 5: starting to practice now if email a fun will I mean,

508
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Speaker 5: I can't wait to see when he finally does get

509
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Speaker 5: a chance to hit that field again. How Aaron Glenn's

510
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Speaker 5: going to use him, because we all remember the big

511
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Speaker 5: plays that he was able to throw in that in

512
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Speaker 5: that secondary as well last year. We'll see when his

513
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Speaker 5: clock is finally started. But that's I know, Aaron Glen's

514
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Speaker 5: got to smile the ear to hear man. When the

515
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Speaker 5: pack they can use, it's gonna be hard stuff. It's

516
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Speaker 5: gonna tarry on two.

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Speaker 3: I'd be more concerned if I was watching a guy

518
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Speaker 3: that was three steps behind a receiver trailing, you know,

519
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Speaker 3: he's right there.

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Speaker 1: I think that stuff will come.

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Speaker 3: You know, just the more he plays, the more comfortable

522
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Speaker 3: he gets in terms of turning his head, making plays

523
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Speaker 3: on the ball, stuff like that. He's right there. I

524
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Speaker 3: haven't seen him beat like beat beat this year, and

525
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Speaker 3: that's the encouraging thing for me. And when you talk

526
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Speaker 3: about the secretary as a whole, they've put a lot

527
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Speaker 3: on the secondary, you know, since Aiden has you know,

528
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Speaker 3: gone down to your point about Zadarius, like that's a past.

529
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Speaker 3: Defense is a marriage of Russian cover, and they've relied

530
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Speaker 3: a lot on the cover part of it. It'll be

531
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Speaker 3: fun to see it get back to what it was

532
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Speaker 3: those first four weeks when they were really playing good,

533
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Speaker 3: dominant football defensively. Last point, the safety's Joseph and Branch.

534
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Speaker 3: Are they the best safety deal in football? And when

535
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Speaker 3: you have two interchangeable pieces like that teach when you're

536
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Speaker 3: an offense that you're scheming it, how difficult is that

537
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Speaker 3: to play against two guys that are really interchangeable at

538
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Speaker 3: that position and both make place equally.

539
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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, no, they have to be right now.

540
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Speaker 5: I think the top duo in the league, and just

541
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Speaker 5: everything that they do. I know, it's easy to look

542
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Speaker 5: at the ten interceptions that they have between each other

543
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Speaker 5: and say, oh, man, based off the stats, but you

544
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Speaker 5: watch the film and what those guys do and really

545
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Speaker 5: how easy they make the job of everybody else on

546
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Speaker 5: that defense, and.

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Speaker 4: You never really know which one.

548
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Speaker 5: I think Aaron Glenn does a nice job of kind

549
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Speaker 5: of disguising which guy is going to be the deep safety,

550
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Speaker 5: which guy is going to be the box player. Normally,

551
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Speaker 5: when you play defense, you look and okay, okay, you

552
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Speaker 5: know the strong number three, he's their deep safety. Hey,

553
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Speaker 5: if this guy gets into the box, he's their pressure guy, right.

554
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Speaker 5: I think he does such a good job of mixing

555
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Speaker 5: that up where you can't really look and say, oh,

556
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Speaker 5: Brian Branch is the pressure guy, because a couple of

557
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Speaker 5: plays later, you know, you get Kirby screaming off the edge,

558
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Speaker 5: Kirby coming down in the box, and you don't have

559
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Speaker 5: him accounted for, and he's he's a playmaker, he's able

560
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Speaker 5: to make tackles, and so I think that makes it

561
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Speaker 5: difficult on offenses because you're not really able to key

562
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Speaker 5: in on one guy. And I know it's got to

563
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 5: be difficult for other quarterbacks, especially when you have the

564
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Speaker 5: speed and the versatility of those guys playing underneath, playing

565
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Speaker 5: center field. You get one snap and they're showing you

566
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Speaker 5: this and they do cut something completely different. That's all

567
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Speaker 5: part of, you know, just I think the cat and

568
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 5: mouse game that goes into it. But like you mentioned,

569
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Speaker 5: and like you know, we talked about Aaron Glenn talks about,

570
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Speaker 5: I think one of the most impressive parts of the secondary,

571
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Speaker 5: really the defense has been the tackling ability this year.

572
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Speaker 5: I mean, we haven't seen a lot of just poor

573
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Speaker 5: tackling performances and a lot of yards after the catcher,

574
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Speaker 5: yards after the care Even last week, Joe Mixon was

575
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Speaker 5: number one in the league when it came to yak

576
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Speaker 5: per game. I think he was averaging one hundred yards

577
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Speaker 5: and seventy six per game was after contact. And you

578
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Speaker 5: look at the job they did on him last year

579
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Speaker 5: or last week, I'm sorry, swarming to the football, getting

580
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Speaker 5: him down, holding them up, waiting for your buddies to

581
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Speaker 5: come in there, take a couple of punches, try to

582
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Speaker 5: get some take like the way that they've been tackling

583
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Speaker 5: this year has been I think I think one of

584
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Speaker 5: the most improved fundamental parts of what they're doing defense,

585
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Speaker 5: and I think that those safeties you talk about are

586
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Speaker 5: a big part of that. You get guys one on

587
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Speaker 5: one a lot of times you're thinking, oh, no, man,

588
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Speaker 5: one move. How many times last week we saw Carlton

589
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Speaker 5: Davis a couple of times where he's out on the

590
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Speaker 5: edge one on one.

591
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Speaker 4: It's like you versus me, who's gonna win?

592
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Speaker 5: And Carlton Davis came out on top on I think

593
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Speaker 5: pretty much all those scenarios. And I think that's really

594
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Speaker 5: what's been impressive with those safeties as well, man, is

595
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Speaker 5: they are really good.

596
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Speaker 4: They're physical, they hit you. We saw that in the

597
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Speaker 4: Green Bay game. They hit hard and man, they tackle

598
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Speaker 4: really really well too.

599
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Speaker 3: And now you're gonna add, like you said, a fatu

600
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Speaker 3: melifono with you that mix and Manuel Moseley could be

601
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 3: working as well, another guy guy. So it's a deep unit,

602
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 3: it's a talented unit. They've relied a lot on them

603
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Speaker 3: and they can do a lot with him and Meek

604
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Speaker 3: Robertson's a guy man, he's you know, he's played well

605
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Speaker 3: in there too.

606
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Speaker 4: He's kind of been quiet, you know, as far as.

607
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Speaker 1: Jacking my goodness, man, he is scrappy, you know what

608
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Speaker 1: I mean.

609
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Speaker 4: He is scrappy in the coverage that he brings to.

610
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Speaker 5: You two in the slot, he is just he's stick

611
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, And that that helps you

612
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Speaker 5: out when you're trying to figure the pass rush out

613
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Speaker 5: a little bit, right, Hey, just give us a little

614
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 5: bit more time, or let's bring a little bit more pressure.

615
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Speaker 4: Right, Let's let us figure out what we want to do.

616
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Speaker 5: As long as you have the guys that are sticky

617
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Speaker 5: in the back end, you know, you're always gonna give

618
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Speaker 5: your defensive line a better chance to get to the

619
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Speaker 5: backfield make some plays. And I think he's another guy

620
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Speaker 5: that's probably been an unsung hero so far. I know

621
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Speaker 5: the safety is Carlton terry On get a lot of credit,

622
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Speaker 5: but Meek Robertson and what he's done in the slot

623
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Speaker 5: this year has been has been very underrated man, and

624
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Speaker 5: he's been a huge part of their success.

625
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Speaker 1: It's been so good.

626
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Speaker 4: The secondary, it's been awesome.

627
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Speaker 5: And that was, you know, that was the area that we,

628
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Speaker 5: like a lot of people said, I remember, you know,

629
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Speaker 5: Brad post season conference last year, and you know, he

630
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Speaker 5: had a lot of receipts. I think a lot of

631
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Speaker 5: people were saying, man, okay, let's go fix that secondary.

632
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Speaker 4: Now, and he did. I mean, and he did.

633
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Speaker 5: And those guys are playing well together, you know what

634
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Speaker 5: I mean. That's what you have to have in a secondary.

635
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 5: You can't just throw a bunch of talented players and

636
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 5: if they have no chemistry, you're not going to see

637
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Speaker 5: the results. But the way that those guys have come

638
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Speaker 5: together this season and play together, play for each other.

639
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Speaker 4: Man, it's been super impressive.

640
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Speaker 3: It's been You've been impressive. I'm glad I had you

641
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Speaker 3: on week eleven.

642
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Speaker 2: I like it.

643
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Speaker 3: This has been a good good three keys, one of

644
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Speaker 3: the better ones we've had. I always love having you

645
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Speaker 3: on and I love I love that we're home me too, Man,

646
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 3: I love next starting this week, and that's been a

647
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 3: rough stretch. But look, they've handled it really well. They're

648
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Speaker 3: eight and one, looking to go nine and one. Keep

649
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Speaker 3: it rolling in the NFC. In the NFC North uh

650
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Speaker 3: he is TJ. Lang one of the best in the business.

651
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Speaker 4: We'll be right back.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the twenty in the Huddle podcast, and

653
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Speaker 3: I'm very happy to welcome in starting bright tackle Pennay

654
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Speaker 3: So Penny, thanks for joining. I think you've been on before,

655
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Speaker 3: so you're a friend of the podcast.

656
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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Well, let's start with this.

657
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Speaker 3: You and Isabelle announced that you're gonna have your third child.

658
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 3: Congratulations first off, And I know we were chatting before

659
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 3: this girl on the way. What is it going to

660
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 3: be like now you guys are gonna be out numbered

661
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 3: in the house.

662
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Speaker 2: I think it's just chaos, you know, you know what

663
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 2: I mean, that's I think that's expected.

664
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Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, one of my favorite things is

665
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 3: when the training camp with with you and Malachi. He's

666
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 3: getting to that age now, he's like two, right and

667
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 3: right over two, and you know, you guys have the

668
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 3: family at training camp and Malchai gets to come and

669
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 3: run around and every day. It almost broke my heart

670
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 3: sometimes that you have to, you know, obviously go back

671
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 3: in do your stuff, and Malachi would just be grabbing

672
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 3: there and a little tear running.

673
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 2: Down his eyes.

674
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 3: That the hardest part about having a family and being

675
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 3: a football player is that training camp part when you're

676
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 3: away from them and kind of having to leave them

677
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 3: every day.

678
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 6: Hands down, I mean even right now when I have

679
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 6: to come in to the facility. It's definitely tough. He's

680
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 6: always like that, which makes it even harder. So but

681
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 6: I just think about I guess the future, you know, so,

682
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 6: and then the things that I'm doing right now for

683
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 6: my family and just focusing on that.

684
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's my guy man, And every day, every

685
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 2: time I go home.

686
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Speaker 3: It was literally one of the funniest parts of training

687
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 3: camp watching it was, Yeah, going home just every day.

688
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: That's the bright spot for you.

689
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, everything I don't even try to, but everything

690
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 6: leaves my mind once I see Maleka and me La

691
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 6: and my wife.

692
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, life's good.

693
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 3: Well, I want to go back to last week a

694
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 3: little bit offensively, I think, both probably as an offense

695
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 3: over you know, overall, as an offensive line, and probably

696
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 3: even i'd say you'd say individually not the best performance

697
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 3: that that not up to what you got your standard?

698
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 3: Just how much are you looking forward to getting back

699
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 3: out there when you guys have a performance like that

700
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 3: as an offense is it? Are you even more eager

701
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 3: to get back to it to kind of get that

702
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 3: taste out of your mouth a little bit?

703
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: I think a little bit.

704
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, obviously, I mean you don't want your last performance

705
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,959
Speaker 6: to ever be uh what, I guess what we did

706
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 6: in in Houston. So I think that's the best part

707
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 6: about this game, that you have another opportunity to go

708
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 6: out there and really, uh show who you are and

709
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 6: what you're about. So yeah, there's a little sense of

710
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 6: urgency to get to the next one, but at the

711
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 6: end of the day, you just got to take it

712
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 6: day to day and it's another process, process, and just

713
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 6: another opportunity to go out there and play.

714
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Speaker 3: What does it say about this offense the second half

715
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 3: that you guys had that you can have a half

716
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 3: like that obviously blow your standards, but then you can

717
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 3: still fight, come back and win. Aid it by the

718
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 3: defensive performance obviously, which was terrific, but then you guys

719
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 3: kind of got it together and you end up finishing

720
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 3: that game and winning it. How gratifying was that that

721
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 3: you guys didn't play your best football but you can

722
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 3: still find ways to win. Is that the hallmark of

723
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 3: a really good football team?

724
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: Oh?

725
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think Campbell said it, and a couple

726
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 6: of the players said it already, you know, And it

727
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 6: just starts with the executing. You know, at the end

728
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 6: of the day, it's everyone doing their jobs and everybody

729
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 6: trusting each other to do their job. So I think

730
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 6: we just went back to the basics in the second

731
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 6: half and just that's that's what happened.

732
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Speaker 3: Good test this week on Walker, Josh heinz Allen. I

733
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 3: think they got twelve and a half sacks between them.

734
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 3: Just what have you seen from them on film? And

735
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 3: the test that you and Taylor have on the edges

736
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 3: this week?

737
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Speaker 6: Both very physical players. I mean when you look at them,

738
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 6: they already have the size, the height, and the arm length.

739
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 6: So off the paper they just already looked a part.

740
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 6: But on film they're just really physical. They really play

741
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 6: with their hands well, and I think that's the battle

742
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 6: that we have to be. We have to come out

743
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 6: there and play physical.

744
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: This is the NFL.

745
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 3: It's any given Sunday, right, I Mean you can't look

746
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 3: at this team and be like, oh, two and eight,

747
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 3: this is an off week, right. I Mean that's just

748
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 3: not how this league operates. Any team could be anyone

749
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 3: on an even given Sunday. And is that been kind

750
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 3: of the mindset this week too, that they got some

751
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 3: good players over there. They've lost six games by one score.

752
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 3: This is a better football team than their record would

753
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 3: indicate we have to play accordingly.

754
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it goes to every week. It doesn't

755
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 6: even kind of matter about the Jaguars. It's every week

756
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 6: is always a challenge and that's the beauty part of

757
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 6: this league and why I guess we play the game.

758
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,719
Speaker 6: You know, it's to go against the best and uh

759
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 6: come in each and every day grateful for the opportunity

760
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 6: to do that. So, uh yeah, just another another week

761
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 6: with a with a great test.

762
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 3: What's it been like playing alongside Kevin.

763
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: Oh Man, it's been. It's been interesting. At first. Why interesting?

764
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: He's just a real football guy. Yeah, there's like I'm

765
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: a little different.

766
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Speaker 6: He spends a lot of time watching film, Like every

767
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 6: every time in the facility, he's always watching film. He's

768
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 6: always doing the past set and I kind of I

769
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 6: like to breathe a little bit, you know, So in

770
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 6: that aspect, he's Uh, it was interesting. But I've gotten

771
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 6: to get to a very comfortable spot with him now

772
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 6: and it's like we're on the same page about everything

773
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 6: and it's fun. I think when I first heard him

774
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 6: laugh was, Uh, we're in a film room. Somebody busted

775
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 6: a joke and I was like, oh, I mean he

776
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 6: can laugh. You know, so, I just at first I

777
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 6: thought it was a straight football guy. But now I'm

778
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 6: starting to feel his personality again, to know him better.

779
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: I've heard rumors of his wives baking. Is it true?

780
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 3: Has she baked for you guys? Have you guys had

781
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 3: stuff in there? I heard when he was in Baltimore

782
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 3: that was like a thing thing.

783
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I don't remember, but I don't know.

784
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 6: I don't think I've had one of his wife's baking.

785
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

786
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 3: The the week Skipper had last week, I think they

787
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 3: were giving him some ivs on the sideline just to

788
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 3: kind of try to keep him alive with how many

789
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 3: reps that he played last week?

790
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: Was skip? Oh yeah, just the effort that he had

791
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: stepping in there.

792
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 3: A guy who's a swing tackle plays a certain amount

793
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,479
Speaker 3: of reps every week, and then you know, obviously Taylor

794
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 3: goes down and he has to step in. Just the

795
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 3: effort that that he hasn't Is he representative of what

796
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 3: this team is is all about that that guys can

797
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 3: just step in play and next man up.

798
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: Mentality?

799
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 6: Uh yeah, that's always been skipped though. From the day

800
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 6: I met him to today, he's always been, uh that

801
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 6: type of player. And everybody. He knows it, from the coaches,

802
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 6: players and even to executives what type of player he is,

803
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 6: And yeah, he's gonna need multiple ivs throughout the game

804
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 6: with the with the amount of sweat he he has,

805
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 6: that's just him.

806
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 3: We haven't seen the best of this offense yet, have

807
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 3: we been a We talked to Ben Johnson on Thursday.

808
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 3: He said, we've seen it in spurts, but we haven't

809
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 3: seen sixty minutes yet. What is what is sixty minutes

810
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 3: of great offense of this offense's potential look like?

811
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Speaker 6: To be honest, I really don't know, and I would

812
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 6: want to figure it out by showing first, you know.

813
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 6: I think we have to go out there and feel

814
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 6: it in a sense, you know.

815
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, do you get that feeling early?

816
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 3: Like can you sense early in a game like Okay,

817
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 3: this might be one of those games?

818
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,719
Speaker 6: Like not really, I kind of I kind of lead

819
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 6: that up to like the coaches and in that aspect

820
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 6: of how the game is gonna go. I just try

821
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 6: to focus on what I can do to help the

822
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 6: team and just and dominate my space at the end

823
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 6: of the day. So, but I mean, I guess you

824
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 6: can feel it if you want to, but I just

825
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 6: try to try to tune it out and just focus

826
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 6: on what I can do.

827
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 3: Your pound for pound, one of the most most athletic

828
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 3: guys in this entire sport. We saw the trick play

829
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 3: in Dallas with you know, kind of the getting you

830
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 3: out in space and almost scoring there. Did you have

831
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 3: to did you swap Frank on the back of the

832
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 3: head for getting downfield?

833
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 2: Just kind of let that one go. To be honest,

834
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: But is there.

835
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 3: Anything now not to give you what you know, not

836
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 3: to open up the playbook here, give away any secrets,

837
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 3: but there's some other stuff in store for you, isn't there.

838
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: Ben's got something.

839
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 3: Up his sleeve with you because that he talks about

840
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 3: that athletics all the time. And how fun is it

841
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 3: to be part of a coordinator who sees that and

842
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 3: wants you to get involved and has some things dialed

843
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 3: up for you like that?

844
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 6: It makes it fun, you know when when when I

845
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 6: get to I guess, get out inside my position a

846
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 6: little bit and do something that I can showcase my

847
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 6: athletic ability. It just makes it fun, a nice change

848
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 6: up for what I do on a day to day basis.

849
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 6: And yeah, in terms of I guess anything else.

850
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 2: I don't.

851
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 6: We haven't drawn it up yet, but I'm pretty sure

852
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 6: he has a vault ready ready to implement.

853
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 3: I know we've talked about this, and I'm convinced if

854
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 3: you lose fifty if you lost fifty pounds, you could.

855
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: Probably be a Pro Bowl tight end in the league.

856
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: That's true. No, that's saying a lot.

857
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: But I see the fat and goes on Friday, which

858
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: is what they call him.

859
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 3: I tell you what your hands, your athleticism. I see

860
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 3: you snagging one handed, thirty yard go routes and stuff.

861
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 2: I try. I just try to have fun with it.

862
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 1: Look at this guy, very humble.

863
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 3: Last one for me, how much do you like blocking

864
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 3: for David Montgomery and Jamiir Gibbs A lot?

865
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: And I think.

866
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 6: At times I do take it for granted, and I

867
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 6: think this game and going on for that, I'm gonna

868
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 6: show really how much they really mean to me. The

869
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 6: last game, I definitely took a rough start and not

870
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 6: up to my standard.

871
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,879
Speaker 2: So I'm going I'm gonna take it well.

872
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 6: I've already taken upon myself coming in the next starting

873
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 6: Wednesday when we came in that I think I need

874
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 6: to show how much those guys mean to me, and

875
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 6: not only those guys, to the whole offense.

876
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Speaker 3: Well, it looks like we as Lions Fancer and Story

877
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 3: for something fun on Sunday. Congratulations on the contract, by

878
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 3: the way, much deserved. I'm glad that gives security to

879
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 3: your family for generations.

880
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 1: And Uh, you're one of the best in the business.

881
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Speaker 3: We always appreciate you having you on and I look

882
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 3: forward to your play on Sunday after that comment, appreciate you.

883
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the twenty in the Huddle podcast, and

884
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 3: I'm very happy to welcome in John Oser. He does

885
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 3: a great job covering everything Jaguars UH down for Jaguars

886
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 3: dot com. He is the guy to go to win

887
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 3: you need Jaguars information, and so he is the man

888
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 3: for me this week with the Lions playing Jacksonville, UH

889
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: Sunday at one o'clock at Ford Field, and John, let's

890
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Speaker 3: just start with obviously, the big news to come out

891
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 3: of Jacksonville on Wednesday, No Trevor Lawrence UH, Doug Peterson

892
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 3: announced that that Mac Jones is going to make the

893
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 3: start on Sunday. Obviously, you know a big loss for Jacksonville.

894
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 3: But what can we expect from Mac Jones now getting

895
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 3: a second start and then having the reps this week.

896
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 2: Too well the other day.

897
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, the offense has not been fantastic with Trevor or

898
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 7: with Mac this year.

899
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 6: Uh.

900
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 4: But with Trevor there were.

901
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 7: Some big plays downfield. There was a four or five

902
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 7: games stretch where they played pretty well offensively.

903
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 5: Uh.

904
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Speaker 7: With Mac last week, it was a it felt like

905
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 7: a limited offense in terms of going downfield.

906
00:37:59,160 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 6: Uh.

907
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 7: He was getting the feed under a little bit, probably

908
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 7: playing a little bit safe, trying not to make mistakes.

909
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 7: They were in it, and then all of a sudden

910
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 7: at the end of the game, the wheels kind of

911
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 7: came off a little bit. There was a fumbled snap.

912
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 7: You guys know, the Vikings defense very good, very aggressive,

913
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 7: all of a sudden, with the game on the line,

914
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 7: Mac had to go down field a little more. The result,

915
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 7: perhaps unsurprisingly, given the first start in a while, interceptions

916
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 7: on the last two drives with a chance to take

917
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 7: the lead, three turnovers on the last three drives. So

918
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 7: that was the storyline. It's considered now obviously a bounce

919
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 7: back game for Mac Jones, more reps, no doubt that

920
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 7: he is going to be the starter this week, and

921
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 7: he has played well in the past in his career

922
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Speaker 7: after tough games. So if you're asking for the storyline

923
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 7: around Mac Jones is this week, it's certainly can he

924
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 7: showed the same kind of bounce back as he has

925
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 7: had a lot of point in his career. Uh, tough

926
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Speaker 7: task considering the opponent.

927
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be rowdy in Ford Field. It's

928
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 3: obviously a tough place to play. And this is a

929
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 3: much improved Lions defense, really led by their secondary. And

930
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 3: you're gonna get Zadaria Smith after Mac Jones this week

931
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: for the first time too.

932
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: So, uh, certainly a tough task.

933
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 3: But you know, when I look at this Jacksonville team overall,

934
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Speaker 3: John you obviously see two and eight and you say, wow,

935
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 3: they're probably not a very.

936
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: Good football team. But six of those losses have been

937
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: by one.

938
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Speaker 3: Score, and particularly the last three weeks, you know, Philadelphia, Minnesota,

939
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 3: Green Bay took them right to the end. You know,

940
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 3: what's what's been the story with this team? Is it

941
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 3: just they have to learn how to find ways to win.

942
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 3: But to me from the outside looking and they don't

943
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 3: look like a two and eight team, Am I wrong?

944
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, they're probably a five and five team. You know,

945
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 7: it's it's easy to say, well, if they had won

946
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 7: six close games, they'd be eight and two. Well, we

947
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 7: all know in the NFL, you know, the close games

948
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 7: are what the league gets. So if you're not winning those,

949
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 7: you're not a very good team. They compete, they play hard,

950
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 7: they don't quit, but at the end of games, when

951
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 7: it's time to make plays to win, they make plays

952
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 7: to lose. It's just been what they've been. So they

953
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 7: had the Packers on the ropes, couldn't close. It had

954
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 7: a chance laid against the Eagles to take the league.

955
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 7: Head ball on the thirteen yard line. Trevor Lawrence throws

956
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 7: a pick, sort of the same thing last week the Lions.

957
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 7: They're up in the second half, but you've seen plenty

958
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 7: of these games. Tim they're up in these games, they

959
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 7: have a chance, but they never really feel like they

960
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 7: get the upper hand. So it's easy to say, well,

961
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 7: they need to find a way to win, or need

962
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 7: to learn how to win. But the reality is they're

963
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 7: in year three of this. You should have learned to

964
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 7: win a while back. So the problem is this is

965
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 7: what they are right now. I'm not sure with seven

966
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 7: games to go. If they're gonna learn this, I'm really

967
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 7: not sure you're gonna learn it in Ford Field with

968
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 7: that crowd. So it's uh, I'm not trying to make

969
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 7: light of it. But right now, after ten or eleven games,

970
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 7: they're a team that has trouble making big plays late.

971
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 7: It's tough to win in the NFL that way.

972
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's real tough to win in the NFL that way,

973
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 3: especially on the road. When I do look at that,

974
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 3: at that defense of what they did in Minnesota last week,

975
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 3: that's got to be pretty encouraging. Obviously, with Trayvon Walker

976
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 3: and josh heinz Allen, I mean twelve sacks between them.

977
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 3: That's good bookend edge rushers. And it's a secondary that's

978
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 3: really aggressive. I mean to hold Justin Jefferson and uh

979
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 3: would be the other receiver, Yeah, yeah, thank you Jordan

980
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 3: Addison to hold those guys in ninety five total yards,

981
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 3: I mean that that's pretty impressive. Has that really been

982
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 3: the strength of this team all year? Is the secondary

983
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 3: defensive being able to rush the passer a little bit

984
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 3: or not?

985
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: Really you're shaking your head there.

986
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 7: I mean it's been a defense frankly that has given

987
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 7: up huge plays with regularity they've been really they've really

988
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 7: struggled on third and law and you have a lot

989
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 7: of touchdowns on third and long to a historical degree almost,

990
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 7: But credit them last week changed up, played zone instead

991
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 7: of man, which is what they're comfortable with. Played the

992
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 7: definition of ben but don't break. They gave up four

993
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 7: hundred yards and then had two interceptions in the end

994
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 7: zone essentially an interception on twenty two, so they didn't

995
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 7: create any points, but they also didn't give them up.

996
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 7: So I don't know, frankly, if that's a sustainable way

997
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 7: for this defense play, but it did a very good

998
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 7: job with it last week. Your concern is against the Lions. Obviously,

999
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 7: you have to defend the two things.

1000
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 3: You know.

1001
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 7: You have to defend the run and then you have

1002
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 7: to get them on the field when they're trying to pass.

1003
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 7: So uh, it's I would like to see this defense

1004
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 7: do this one more time before I consider it all

1005
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 7: of a sudden a strength. It's really struggled in the

1006
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,479
Speaker 7: secondary this year, and guess what for the Lions, they've

1007
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 7: also struggled with the run game on the interior.

1008
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: So it feels to me like the.

1009
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 7: Match like the Lions matchup pretty well against this team.

1010
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 7: But I think from what you've seen Tim, the Lion's

1011
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 7: matchup well against a lot of teams.

1012
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, they certainly do it.

1013
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 3: Eighten one who's a player to who could you know

1014
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 3: possibly have an impact. Maybe a name Lions fans don't know,

1015
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 3: A young guy, a guy who they're Jacksonville's looking to

1016
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 3: have a good game on Sunday.

1017
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 7: Well for a Lion's reference that Treylon Walker is playing

1018
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 7: very very well. I think the Lions might have drafted

1019
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 7: him at the Jaguars, not it felt like that was

1020
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 7: possibly a thing. So he's playing exceptionally well this year,

1021
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 7: is coming into his own. Guys you may not have

1022
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 7: heard of, you know, I would say Parker Washington, the

1023
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 7: slot receiver he's playing for Christian Kirk, He's shown some flashes.

1024
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 7: The big guy who's having a really good year for

1025
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 7: this team, Brian Thomas Junior, who was the number twenty

1026
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 7: three overall pick until the last couple of weeks. He's

1027
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 7: shown signs of being special. This team hasn't had a

1028
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 7: number one receiver since Jimmy Smith, which is a name

1029
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 7: you prior remember from the nineties in early two thousand,

1030
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 7: but Brian Thomas Junior. He looks special at receiver if

1031
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 7: they can get him the ball. Whether or not Mac

1032
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 7: Jones can get him the ball in the right situations,

1033
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 7: it didn't happen last week's remains to be seen. But

1034
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 7: he's a guy once he gets going, he does things

1035
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 7: above the X and o's that it's hard to defend.

1036
00:44:58,440 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 2: All right.

1037
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 3: Last one from me, John is is how does Jacksonville

1038
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 3: come into Detroit on the road and and you know,

1039
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 3: create a big upset here?

1040
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 1: What has to happen? What has to go right?

1041
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 3: What's the key for Jacksonville coming here and and you know,

1042
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 3: escaping with an upset win?

1043
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 2: You got me?

1044
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 7: You know I'm not trying to be facetious. I mean

1045
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 7: I normally with that question, I would give you a

1046
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 7: good answer. I think what I can tell you is

1047
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 7: this is by far, to me, the jacks toughest matchup

1048
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 7: of the year. I think they have to create turnovers,

1049
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 7: they have to get interceptions. I think they have to

1050
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 7: get points off interceptions. Tim Over the years, we both

1051
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 7: covered some teams that have struggled. When a team like

1052
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 7: this is going into situation, I mean, Jaguars need a

1053
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 7: break early. They need to get up and then Franklinny

1054
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 7: the Lions have a bad game because I think the Lions,

1055
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 7: the way they run, the way they can control clock,

1056
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 7: I think the Jaguar is gonna have their best game

1057
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 7: of the season, which I think they need to do

1058
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 7: to win and not win, but they need big plays

1059
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 7: and they need a break.

1060
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 3: This is a tough matchup for the Jackson Yeah, it

1061
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 3: certainly is. But look, the Lions are looking forward to

1062
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 3: getting back at home. That's why we play any given Sunday, right,

1063
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 3: you know, once you strap them up, you never know.

1064
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 3: We've been through a lot of these before and had

1065
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 3: plenty of surprises over the years.

1066
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: John, I appreciate you taking the time.

1067
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 3: If you need to catch up on anything Jashville, please

1068
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 3: go on Jaguars dot com Judd John does such a

1069
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 3: great job with everything there and safe travels up and

1070
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 3: we'll talk to you on Sunday.

1071
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Speaker 7: Budy, Tim always enjoyed Ready, thank you,