Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. Breakfast Club Morning.
Speaker 1: Everybody is the DJ Envy just hilarious. Charlamagne the guy.
Speaker 1: We are the Breakfast Club. Law La Rosa is here
Speaker 1: and we got a special guest in the building.
Speaker 2: Yes we do, Kirk Franklin. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome.
Speaker 3: I feel like I live here.
Speaker 2: That's a good thing.
Speaker 3: I feel like I live here. What is this? What
Speaker 3: is it like the twenty thousand time. I'm good with it.
Speaker 3: I'm just humbled. I'm glad you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, welcome and congratulations for being honored
Speaker 1: at the BET Awards this year.
Speaker 2: How is that feeling?
Speaker 3: Oh? Nervous? Had bubble guts?
Speaker 4: Really?
Speaker 5: What you are the performer of.
Speaker 3: Bro I am always nervous.
Speaker 6: Then we talk about that too, Yeah, I candn't believe
Speaker 6: it even when he said it's we talked about at
Speaker 6: the media room.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm always nervous. And I go speak.
Speaker 7: If I go to a nursing home and perform, I'm nervous.
Speaker 7: If I go speak to kids, I always have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, really, what's.
Speaker 5: About it makes you nervous? It's like, what is it?
Speaker 5: What are you thinking about?
Speaker 7: It's I think that you know there's always First of all,
Speaker 7: I think that it has served me well.
Speaker 3: It's because it's never normal. I'm never comfortable.
Speaker 7: I'm always wanting to do my best. I'm always you know,
Speaker 7: like I'm always concerned about every moment, you know, will
Speaker 7: it be good enough, will it be accepted, will it
Speaker 7: be will it be light? And so there's never a
Speaker 7: moment where I'm ever dialing anything in, you know, like
Speaker 7: everything for me is my first. Every project, every album,
Speaker 7: every song, every moment, it's my first. Like I'm a
Speaker 7: new artist, I'm a new I'm a I'm a I'm
Speaker 7: a I'm a struggling artist every time. And I think
Speaker 7: a lot of it. And you know, y'all probably just
Speaker 7: even test just all the the the guests that you've
Speaker 7: had that have come from traumatic backgrounds, you know, childhood, abandonment,
Speaker 7: adoption and all that is that I think that you
Speaker 7: are always chasing thos, chasing goes. You're always looking for
Speaker 7: that good job baby, that mama didn't give you, that
Speaker 7: you didn't that you're having those formative years. So yeah,
Speaker 7: every moment is it is nerves and new and so
Speaker 7: at the B yeah, B two wards, I'm I'm about
Speaker 7: to lose it next you're about to pass.
Speaker 3: I'm like why. And then I didn't know I.
Speaker 7: Was going to last until like a week before. Remember
Speaker 7: we talked about that too, So I didn't know I
Speaker 7: was going to last.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was mad you went last. I was mad.
Speaker 8: I said, you put somebody that like that in the
Speaker 8: front or the middle because it was so late.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, but that but both stayed up.
Speaker 5: I know we did stay up.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's kind of y'all.
Speaker 7: But what I'm saying, though, is that you feel even
Speaker 7: more pressure.
Speaker 3: It's like, I'm not going to last.
Speaker 5: It's like, you know, because you Kirk Franklin though.
Speaker 7: But I'm the gospel guy, and so you don't think
Speaker 7: of your genre having a space like that. You don't,
Speaker 7: you know, and you don't even expect it, like you know, Yeah,
Speaker 7: it's it's it's almost like it's it's an honor for
Speaker 7: even the genre to be acknowledged and even part of
Speaker 7: the the ecosystem.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 7: But when when I found out that I was going last,
Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, brother, you didn't want to be sitting
Speaker 7: by me.
Speaker 4: Pressure was on.
Speaker 3: I was letting him go to you.
Speaker 5: On the tailor, Aaron Pierre was smelling the little and
Speaker 5: I lied.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh man, who did that.
Speaker 4: Way? Because did you have gas when you were sitting
Speaker 4: next to me? I ain't smell nothing.
Speaker 3: Well, I wasn't nervous talking to you.
Speaker 6: Okay, right, because you I'm gonna I've been telling people
Speaker 6: since I mentioned it's my first time meaning you.
Speaker 3: It threw me.
Speaker 4: I didn't know you were so like just normal cool
Speaker 4: and yeah, like.
Speaker 2: I said, you real, he's a real Yeah.
Speaker 7: Why do you think people like, what are people expecting
Speaker 7: for me to come in floating on clouds?
Speaker 4: Yes, a little bit, that's what people.
Speaker 7: And I think that's unfortunate, and I think that we
Speaker 7: got to find ways to still deconstruct that. I just
Speaker 7: think that it stands in the way of people feeling
Speaker 7: like that they can be a part of the family too,
Speaker 7: you know what I'm saying, Like like like everybody can
Speaker 7: pull me and be part.
Speaker 3: Of this God love wagon. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: It's like and and so it's always challenging for me
Speaker 7: when when there's this work where there's this ideal of
Speaker 7: what being a person that loves Jesus looks like, and
Speaker 7: so I want to be the lowliest, the most humble,
Speaker 7: the most realist person, so that you can see, man,
Speaker 7: that everybody's supposed to be on this bus, and we
Speaker 7: also will be riding together.
Speaker 3: Man, we don't always know where we're going.
Speaker 1: But now, during the BET Awards, they kept.
Speaker 2: Showing you when Kevin Hart was doing comedy.
Speaker 1: And then the whole twist was Kirk Franklin was upset
Speaker 1: with all the Kevin Hart jokes.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, they must not know Kirk.
Speaker 3: So oh I was. It was so good. He's good.
Speaker 7: But then I'll also give you this side and you know,
Speaker 7: and I and and I want him cap right. It's
Speaker 7: I think that the biggest thing is for me is
Speaker 7: that I always have to be careful because I know
Speaker 7: that there's a community of the super religious that if
Speaker 7: I enjoy something too much, then it comes across.
Speaker 3: Like, well, why he not? Why he not praying for him?
Speaker 3: He needed to walk out?
Speaker 7: And and so there's this there's this dichotomy that that
Speaker 7: you live in when you say that you represent faith, that.
Speaker 3: It's like I love Jesus, but I'm not Jesus. I'm
Speaker 3: not him.
Speaker 7: I love God, I live in a body that ain't
Speaker 7: his yet until he cracks the sky and make me
Speaker 7: more like him. Until then, I live in this broken house,
Speaker 7: and I live in a world where things are gonna
Speaker 7: be funny. I'm gonna stub my toe and I'm not
Speaker 7: gonna speak a tongue in the middle of the night.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna us.
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying. You push me too hard,
Speaker 7: it's gonna be hands you know. I mean, I'm you
Speaker 7: know I I I am not a perfect person. And
Speaker 7: so when something's funny and it's good and funny, I
Speaker 7: want to laugh.
Speaker 1: How do you stop yourself from laughing? Because he kept
Speaker 1: going and you know, Kevin, Kevin's gonna keep going to get.
Speaker 3: You that laughing.
Speaker 8: I feel like you and wife you are, but you
Speaker 8: still was trying to keep that sense of like all right,
Speaker 8: like you was like cracking, but you were like still
Speaker 8: containing yourself.
Speaker 7: Because it was funny. It was it's funny, he's funny,
Speaker 7: he's good. And so you get to see them perfect Kirk.
Speaker 8: But I think also what people don't understand is God
Speaker 8: don't want us to be perfect anyway, and either like
Speaker 8: I just you know, Jesus, they were not supposed to
Speaker 8: be perfect. That's why he made us in his image.
Speaker 5: But it's like if he if he put us here and.
Speaker 8: He knew, he know everything we're gonna do before we
Speaker 8: do it, like he already knows. It's like we are
Speaker 8: not him, We're of him, you know it. We're not
Speaker 8: meant to be perfect. We're just meant to follow him.
Speaker 7: And in that we always should be pursuing to be
Speaker 7: better matter. We want to be more like him, we
Speaker 7: want to be able to be changed in ways. There
Speaker 7: are things that I see in myself that I want
Speaker 7: to grow and look more like him.
Speaker 3: But I'm not on your watch.
Speaker 7: I'm not on your calendar, and how I get there,
Speaker 7: I am on his. And so I think that if we,
Speaker 7: like I said something on this this new digital series
Speaker 7: I have on called Dane of Kings, is that we
Speaker 7: have to understand man, that that that that we are patients,
Speaker 7: We're not doctors. And Christianity is supposed to be a
Speaker 7: place that's a hospital. It's a hospital. If that's to
Speaker 7: be a country club, it's will be a place where
Speaker 7: people that don't have it together could come and everybody
Speaker 7: can feel comfortable that they know that they don't have
Speaker 7: it together. But when people come to us in our
Speaker 7: community and they feel like that. We are more concerned
Speaker 7: about their their their habits and their ways been changed
Speaker 7: before our eyes, and you're not being changed yet you
Speaker 7: know doing it.
Speaker 3: It's like that that then.
Speaker 7: People create performance anxiety. That's where the mask comes is
Speaker 7: because if I don't look the way that you think
Speaker 7: I should look soon, then now I gotta fake it
Speaker 7: till I make it, and then you never and then
Speaker 7: what happens then you become a human doing and never
Speaker 7: human being.
Speaker 1: They also, I'm sorry, I was gonna say back to
Speaker 1: the BT Awards, they were mad at one of your
Speaker 1: outfits that you were.
Speaker 6: They were mad at every I was about to say that,
Speaker 6: like the office had them this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they said that you apologized for it was you
Speaker 1: wore like a take topic.
Speaker 4: That we talked about that to the media room.
Speaker 2: But what they bad at the I mean, it wasn't
Speaker 2: pom pom shorts. You didn't have it.
Speaker 6: So they try to say, bro sorry. They tried to
Speaker 6: say Korry.
Speaker 4: Sorry.
Speaker 6: You just feel like it's so crazy, how like naturally
Speaker 6: you just feel like the homie and I'm like, it's
Speaker 6: Kirk Franklin.
Speaker 3: When I note.
Speaker 4: He kind of like watching you.
Speaker 6: At the BET Awards and seeing it.
Speaker 4: See God didn't want me to call you bro.
Speaker 5: That's that's what happened when said, don't you call him bro.
Speaker 8: But see that's the thing though, even when Kirk met
Speaker 8: my son, it was it was crazy right because I'm
Speaker 8: until you might come back on. I was saying, like
Speaker 8: we we were on the same festival in Miami for
Speaker 8: Miami Gardens, and my son was so starstruck and Kirk
Speaker 8: made him feel.
Speaker 5: Like he was cool.
Speaker 8: So he goes back to my mother, his grandmother, and like,
Speaker 8: I met Kirk Franklin and he was cool, he said,
Speaker 8: you know, and and he said Bro, My like Bro
Speaker 8: was cool. And my mother here she goes because you know,
Speaker 8: she a deacon in the church and you don't refer
Speaker 8: to know Kirk Franklins. I said, my no, like Kirk
Speaker 8: is really cool, like relax and chill. When I just
Speaker 8: set outside my son like he.
Speaker 6: Bro, I felt like my grandmother came in this room,
Speaker 6: she probably gonna call me after the.
Speaker 4: Better not.
Speaker 7: But see, that's too much, that's too much pressure. That's
Speaker 7: a lot, and I'm gonna tell you I can be candid.
Speaker 7: I don't think we're ever going to deconstruct a lot
Speaker 7: of that it's because for a lot of people, they
Speaker 7: need that to be able to be connected to their faith.
Speaker 7: They need the stained glass windows, they need the pastor
Speaker 7: to look at somewhere, they need the church service to
Speaker 7: make them feel that this is my connection, this is
Speaker 7: what holy and righteous looks like for me, and I
Speaker 7: need that to hold on.
Speaker 3: I don't need none of it. All I need is Jesus.
Speaker 7: Gag game, That's all I All I need is Jesus.
Speaker 7: And I'm you know, and again I ain't talking about
Speaker 7: the European version with the blue eyes. I'm talking about
Speaker 7: you know, that Jesus that dies. Everybody sins in any moment.
Speaker 7: Everybody can come to the table. Everybody's at the foot
Speaker 7: of the cross because we all stink in.
Speaker 3: That's what I need.
Speaker 6: I was gonna say talking about the Awards show, though,
Speaker 6: there were a couple of things. So first, people were
Speaker 6: upset at the performance in a like they felt like, yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean, I thought it was a great performance. But
Speaker 6: I think people, uh, I think it just goes to
Speaker 6: like the people that you bring onto stage and how
Speaker 6: you uh. I have a quote here, I think it
Speaker 6: was Didrikdam was upset about Gloorilla won in the award,
Speaker 6: but they also called He also mentioned like things being
Speaker 6: like a mockery of worship and like things of that nature.
Speaker 6: Do you get tired of that conversation at this point
Speaker 6: or at this point are you so used to it?
Speaker 4: It's whatever, be real, bro.
Speaker 3: Own everything. I love. It is what it is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it.
Speaker 3: Is what this. God blessed him, and God blessed him.
Speaker 2: How did you feel about that?
Speaker 1: Because some people were mad that in the gospel category
Speaker 1: it was Glorilla in yourself, it was little Baby in yourself.
Speaker 1: It was rhapsody, not your quote unquote typical gospel songs.
Speaker 1: What did you think about that that Glorilla won her
Speaker 1: first BT award was a gospel record?
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that? Primarily gospel artists.
Speaker 7: I'm trying to keep my eyes on the prize, trying
Speaker 7: to things that really matter. I'm trying to tell the
Speaker 7: world about Jesus, trying to tell the world that for God,
Speaker 7: soul of the world, that he gave his only son,
Speaker 7: whoever believes in him should not perish, that ever last
Speaker 7: in life.
Speaker 3: That's one man. That's one man. Everything else is just noise.
Speaker 3: That's one man.
Speaker 8: I feel like you meet people where they are. You've
Speaker 8: been doing that since I since I was a little girl.
Speaker 8: Like you know, I I feel like there has been
Speaker 8: like when you when you say you meet people where
Speaker 8: you are, it's always been saying you meet people where
Speaker 8: they are. Right, Christ and Christianity and Church don't look
Speaker 8: the same for everybody.
Speaker 5: So if like a glorrilla can.
Speaker 8: Speak to us the youth, you know, and you stamp
Speaker 8: it and were like, oh, we know, kurk Frank, this
Speaker 8: is all of our mothers and grandmothers and aunts played
Speaker 8: and growing up. And and and she because she she
Speaker 8: is the bridge, you know what I mean, Like she
Speaker 8: would be the bridge for it. And God uses everybody
Speaker 8: like you can use anybody, can use a bum on
Speaker 8: the street, and can use a homeless person.
Speaker 5: He can use you know, anybody to.
Speaker 8: Lead, you know, to so you can pay attention to
Speaker 8: bring you to you know, to God and Jesus.
Speaker 5: I feel like it's not, it's not Why is that
Speaker 5: frowned upon?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? There's a text.
Speaker 7: In Scripture there's this moment where the disciples were talking
Speaker 7: to Jesus about people that were not part of their
Speaker 7: crew that was also using his name and trying to
Speaker 7: do things in his name, and they were upset about
Speaker 7: it because they were not part of the crew. And
Speaker 7: so they came to Jesus. They pulled up like, yo, man,
Speaker 7: you need to go pull up on a boy. And
Speaker 7: then they over there saying your name and trying to
Speaker 7: do in your name, and we need to we really
Speaker 7: need to squash that. And and that Jesus was like, Yo,
Speaker 7: if they over there and they are still trying to
Speaker 7: do good things in my name even though they're not
Speaker 7: part of our crew, I'm not gonna squash that. It's
Speaker 7: because they are still telling people my name. Yeah, And
Speaker 7: so I feel that it is the same that today
Speaker 7: that Christianity has for so long been a country club,
Speaker 7: and you've had to have a membership, you've had to
Speaker 7: look a certain way, like like like like, let me
Speaker 7: tell one thing that's funny to me is that people
Speaker 7: always say to me and even tell me sometimes it's like,
Speaker 7: you know, like y'all look younger now, other y'all did
Speaker 7: when y'all first started. Let me tell what a lot
Speaker 7: of that was. We were assimilating to what the church.
Speaker 7: If you were young in church, you had to look
Speaker 7: old to be thought of as serious, like they didn't
Speaker 7: take you serious if you did not look a certain way.
Speaker 3: So you dressed though.
Speaker 7: You had the long you know, you had the long jackets,
Speaker 7: you know, the squat toe gators, you know, had the
Speaker 7: big lamp. First time I took it to Coja convention.
Speaker 7: We were twenty five years old. And now you know,
Speaker 7: God blessed Church got in Christ, Love Church got in Christ.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 7: But there's a certain aesthetic that sometimes you have on
Speaker 7: twenty five years old, got a big old had on
Speaker 7: gloves and she said, she said, I felt like trick
Speaker 7: or treat, you know, because we were trying to assimilate.
Speaker 7: You're trying to do all the things to be accepted
Speaker 7: as a young person. And so now I mean, we're
Speaker 7: just comfortable being who we are. And I just think
Speaker 7: that it is really really important to just put people
Speaker 7: back on the focus of what matters.
Speaker 1: He's what matters, that's right now. What was the concept
Speaker 1: of den of Kings?
Speaker 2: How what inspired that?
Speaker 3: Bro? First of all?
Speaker 7: Bro, First of all, I am bro Bro Bro drag
Speaker 7: me for see. That's the motif of the show right now,
Speaker 7: bro Bro. And it's a beautiful thing, beautiful thing. But
Speaker 7: one thing that I'm very excited about is that I
Speaker 7: just had this idea that I've always been told that
Speaker 7: people enjoy the way I hold court during dinner, Like
Speaker 7: when you go to dinner with me, we're gonna chop,
Speaker 7: you know. So we're gonna chop about politics, you know,
Speaker 7: we want talking to talk about religions. We're gonna talk
Speaker 7: about whatever and get it in. And so during my birthday,
Speaker 7: I came to Atlanta. Well, I went to Lanta, had
Speaker 7: dinner with some of my good guy friends and they
Speaker 7: were like, yo, bro, you need to turn this in so,
Speaker 7: you know, because I've had really great conversations. So with that,
Speaker 7: I just thought about having dinner with black men and
Speaker 7: what that could look like in that conversation. And so
Speaker 7: the first episode shot in Atlanta, great food, chef, beautiful house.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 7: You had Country Wayne, you had Uh Lou, you had Uh,
Speaker 7: you had Daval, you had d C. And it was
Speaker 7: an incredible moment. And the response has been I've been.
Speaker 4: Telling everybody I know to watch it.
Speaker 7: It's been amazing, as like, were you shocked at the response?
Speaker 5: Yes, especially with DC and how he gets deep and
Speaker 5: high yacht man. I love that because that's my brother
Speaker 5: I know you know what I mean, you love you.
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, yes, and you know even Country Wayne, you know,
Speaker 8: like just you gave them that safe space, that vulnerable
Speaker 8: place where they and they can talk about things that
Speaker 8: they don't usually talk about, and they talk about but
Speaker 8: they don't go in depth with it, you know what
Speaker 8: I mean, Like you provide that and I love to
Speaker 8: see that.
Speaker 7: And it has been I mean, the response has been overwhelmed,
Speaker 7: like it has been so so you know, We've got
Speaker 7: another one on deck coming up soon, you know, and
Speaker 7: it's just you know, dinner conversations with men with Black men.
Speaker 7: And I'm humble and I want to thank everybody that's
Speaker 7: been tuning in and watching it and it's just been
Speaker 7: it's just been an amazing moment.
Speaker 5: And it's like men's therapy. It's like watching a men's
Speaker 5: therapy session.
Speaker 3: It's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 4: Each episode about fatherhood, there is going to be different
Speaker 4: things that.
Speaker 7: Different different conversations. Next one is by being a boss,
Speaker 7: and uh, you know, we we are going to have
Speaker 7: so many conversations that are just really just kind of
Speaker 7: peeling back and just having a really, really, really great conversation.
Speaker 3: You're gonna pull up on one, of course, don't play.
Speaker 6: I think I know, I think v and Charlotte, I
Speaker 6: think y'all be so amazing, and to sit down it
Speaker 6: be fire because it's like a real conversation, non judgmental
Speaker 6: as well.
Speaker 7: Non judgmental, non judgmental. And I want everybody to feel safe,
Speaker 7: and I try to lead with vulnerability and transparency myself.
Speaker 7: So I try to create the environment that makes you
Speaker 7: feel safe and comfortable.
Speaker 8: Will there ever be a episode with you and your
Speaker 8: baby boy, your son?
Speaker 3: Hmm, it's not that I haven't thought about it.
Speaker 7: It's it's it's it's it's because it's still a work
Speaker 7: in progress. I would want there to be real healing
Speaker 7: in his life, or there is anything that that that
Speaker 7: that that puts a spotlight.
Speaker 3: That could even be more damage. It got it to
Speaker 3: his process.
Speaker 7: You know, I want him whole. I don't give a
Speaker 7: heck about writings. You know, I was gonna say someone else,
Speaker 7: but I just want him hold and so whatever is
Speaker 7: going to be for his best healing. And a lot
Speaker 7: of times that that happens when the cameras.
Speaker 2: Are what's what's your relationship now with them?
Speaker 7: It's it's still work. It's it's it's still work now.
Speaker 7: The beautiful thing that has happened is, you know, I
Speaker 7: ran into my biological father these years and his what's
Speaker 7: the most incredible thing about God? Everything that my oldest
Speaker 7: son needs, that's.
Speaker 8: His profession, your day's profession, biological father's profession.
Speaker 7: And I think you can impact that, right, right, everything
Speaker 7: that my oldest needs. So my biological has come in because.
Speaker 3: That's his grandson. So he has a personal interest in
Speaker 3: and in and in him being whole.
Speaker 7: And it's been amazing, it's been well, it's been amazing
Speaker 7: to watch, but it's still a process. And how was
Speaker 7: that relationship with your biological First, let me say that
Speaker 7: he's an amazing man. He's an amazing I love that
Speaker 7: you can say that, Oh, he's.
Speaker 3: An amazing man.
Speaker 7: But it is more me. It's because I wasn't looking
Speaker 7: for a father. He wasn't looking for a son. I mean,
Speaker 7: you know, I mean we weren't looking. Remember, I thought
Speaker 7: I knew who my father was, and he died of
Speaker 7: cancer back in seventeen.
Speaker 3: So now it's me.
Speaker 7: Like, when you live your life so long on your own,
Speaker 7: it's almost like a it's almost like a woman who
Speaker 7: has been single for a long time. And if the
Speaker 7: guy said, don't get that door, and you're kind of like,
Speaker 7: what you know, you know.
Speaker 3: You've got to kind of process. Okay, I ain't got
Speaker 3: to give my door no more. What does that look?
Speaker 3: You know? It's like, oh, what does that look? No?
Speaker 5: I do understand what he said.
Speaker 6: She don't have a man, but a single night, I
Speaker 6: was talking more about your dad and you not feeling
Speaker 6: like you were missing out on anything. Kind of sort
Speaker 6: of I'm skipping past.
Speaker 3: A liar. It's so good. How you did that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, y'all loved the truth, and I'm letting you. She
Speaker 8: don't have a man. She don't have the best relationship
Speaker 8: with her dad, so she loved me.
Speaker 2: That's another thing.
Speaker 7: Would you like men or dad?
Speaker 3: I'm thirty three, Okay, I'm fifty.
Speaker 7: Five, so I'm so a man or dad. If I
Speaker 7: find anyone, it may be a zad.
Speaker 5: I might need a sad.
Speaker 1: But she doesn't have necessarily the best relationship with her
Speaker 1: father as well. So how did you get to the
Speaker 1: point where you can have that relationship? I mean, she day,
Speaker 1: but she doesn't have that relationship.
Speaker 4: That's not true.
Speaker 6: Me and my dad have built a relationship. But I
Speaker 6: met him at fourteen. But to your point, because I
Speaker 6: was so full with what I had, I had my stepdad,
Speaker 6: my mom, my grandmother, I didn't know and like still now,
Speaker 6: I don't, like I'll be forgetting his Father's Day.
Speaker 4: And it's no shade to him.
Speaker 6: It's just I've always been then full to the point
Speaker 6: where I wasn't looking for So when he got introduced
Speaker 6: into my life, I was like, oh, okay, so this
Speaker 6: is my dad. I got to call him, I got
Speaker 6: to talk to him. I got to And it don't
Speaker 6: always be that all the time. It's not a natural
Speaker 6: thing for me to do. So you're the first person
Speaker 6: I ever heard explain it where it made sense to
Speaker 6: me of like you just weren't looking for it because
Speaker 6: you didn't know you needed it.
Speaker 3: And Mom wasn't that I was full. Mom was that
Speaker 3: I was numb.
Speaker 4: Oh maybe I was numb.
Speaker 7: Maybe, So you know, And I don't know, like I'm
Speaker 7: not a professional, but but I do know that sometimes
Speaker 7: you do learn how to live with limps.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you learn.
Speaker 7: How to live with limps to the point that you
Speaker 7: forget is broken, you know. And I think that because
Speaker 7: of where we come Frost people of color. We've had
Speaker 7: to live so much of our lives as people with
Speaker 7: with with limps, as people just because of just just
Speaker 7: just the deconstruction of our homes and families and backgrounds
Speaker 7: that a lot of times we don't even know often
Speaker 7: what healthy is. Yeah, it's because we've had to just live.
Speaker 3: Okay, We've never really lived, well, we just live, Okay.
Speaker 6: Have you had those woments with your biological dad where
Speaker 6: like y'all are talking and y'all going to miss of
Speaker 6: something and you're like, oh, man, like I feel it,
Speaker 6: this is what this is what was missing at some
Speaker 6: point or I could have used this at some point.
Speaker 7: Have you No, I have lived so much with deficiencies
Speaker 7: that I'm still just trying to figure out so so
Speaker 7: a lot of times if I'm around him, I'm just
Speaker 7: trying to figure out how to be. Sometimes sometimes I'm
Speaker 7: even sitting there having to just breathe just to keep
Speaker 7: my anxiety. But you know, because it's so far, so far,
Speaker 7: and I'm not.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not proud of these things.
Speaker 7: But I'm not going to get up here and cap
Speaker 7: with y'all, like you know, and give y'all the the
Speaker 7: you know, the little House on the per fairy tale.
Speaker 7: Oh man, God has blessed us and we're all together now.
Speaker 7: It's like, my God, I'm still trying to figure life out,
Speaker 7: Like it's a new addition that I'm still trying to figure.
Speaker 3: Out the space for it.
Speaker 1: Do you do you regret what you've done in gospel
Speaker 1: music because it took so much time away from your family.
Speaker 3: That's an incredible question.
Speaker 7: It's I think that any man, in my humble opinion,
Speaker 7: that is ambitious and driven will always look back and
Speaker 7: have regrets on how the people around them have had
Speaker 7: to suffer because.
Speaker 1: Of that because you, Yeah, your family suffered, but you
Speaker 1: brought joy to people. You probably saved a million in
Speaker 1: more lives with your music and your dance and the word,
Speaker 1: but you might have hurt a couple in the family
Speaker 1: because you weren't there. So how does that balance out?
Speaker 1: And and you know, as a father that works a lot,
Speaker 1: I feel that sometimes it's like, damn, should I be
Speaker 1: home learning this time?
Speaker 3: But I gotta.
Speaker 4: Devils Because y'all talked about this on the show.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh boy.
Speaker 3: You know you you you have many regrets. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: have many.
Speaker 7: Regrets, and you have confusion. It's because it's it's it's
Speaker 7: almost like if you were not driven, if you were
Speaker 7: not a dog, if you didn't have that attitude, then
Speaker 7: you wouldn't have been what you are. But you also
Speaker 7: know that many around you, whether it's your wife or
Speaker 7: your kids, that they've suffered a lot, that they've gone
Speaker 7: through a lot because it comes with a heavy price.
Speaker 7: And I think that for me, mine also has another
Speaker 7: level of of of kind of dichotomy is because you
Speaker 7: also don't want to you don't want their kids faith
Speaker 7: to be I don't want having to do with Jesus
Speaker 7: because Jesus was the dude.
Speaker 3: That kept my daddy away.
Speaker 7: So I'm trying, you know, you've also tried to have
Speaker 7: that now on space in that too. Now the beauty
Speaker 7: of my children, it's their mother. My My my children
Speaker 7: are are are.
Speaker 3: Are great because of their mama. Tammy.
Speaker 7: Tammy has Tammy is like she just that Midas touched,
Speaker 7: you know she. But then how mama was dad, Tammy's
Speaker 7: Mama's dad. Tammy's Mama's like that with me, you know,
Speaker 7: just that mightas touch and I didn't have Obama, so
Speaker 7: it's bam, I'm just a minus touched. But yeah, you
Speaker 7: live with a lot of regret. You live with a
Speaker 7: lot of guilt, You live with a lot of questions.
Speaker 7: You live with that internal war of of of missing
Speaker 7: things and and wondering what it would what it would
Speaker 7: have been more like for you to be at home.
Speaker 7: But then at the same time, you also that dude
Speaker 7: that wakes up in the middle of the night with
Speaker 7: dreams and ideas and ambitions and songs. You know, like
Speaker 7: I wake up in the midlight with songs and and
Speaker 7: you know, I'm at a basketball game and I got
Speaker 7: to step outside to put something in my phone because
Speaker 7: a song. Because if that song don't work, then I
Speaker 7: can't pay for that school, and I can't pay for
Speaker 7: that college. I can't pay for that your new car
Speaker 7: you want after you graduated. It's like, you know, there's
Speaker 7: that tension. It's because people are blessed by your sacrifice,
Speaker 7: but then they're also hurt.
Speaker 3: By your sacrifice. Yeah, and I don't know all the answers.
Speaker 3: I just try to show up and be honest.
Speaker 4: What's your mentorship to other people look like? These days?
Speaker 6: Because I know Dinny Kings, I felt like when I
Speaker 6: was watching it, it was that like you were mentoring
Speaker 6: these men, but they just came together randomly. Do you
Speaker 6: have like a set group of people that you're mentoring
Speaker 6: and do you take the time to do that.
Speaker 7: Maybe mentoring right now and these days and times does
Speaker 7: look more like that. Maybe it doesn't look as traditional.
Speaker 7: You know, it's I don't know's I just tried when
Speaker 7: whenever I try to show up wherever I am, I'm
Speaker 7: always trying to be the book that people need to read.
Speaker 7: And so whatever that looks like, I'm always available to
Speaker 7: do it. It may not always look in the traditional form.
Speaker 7: It's because sometimes in traditional forms, like I remember doing
Speaker 7: a youth camp's I did a youth music camp for
Speaker 7: the Hood back a few years ago, and it just
Speaker 7: didn't go well. And the reason why is because what
Speaker 7: I notice is that if Steph Curry does a camp,
Speaker 7: if Steph Curry does a basketball camp, and you can
Speaker 7: figure it, you probably can do this. Envy kids that
Speaker 7: come to a basketball camp, they're not looking for Steph
Speaker 7: Curry to get them in the NBA because they know
Speaker 7: that it's still a process. They know a coach and
Speaker 7: a team so so so. So Curry can do a
Speaker 7: basketball camp and you know, show love, give out some treats, whatever,
Speaker 7: but a daddy is not pulling them to the side,
Speaker 7: going yo, man, you think you could talk to the
Speaker 7: team from a boy where when I do a music camp,
Speaker 7: demo tapes and everybody, you know, it's it's like they
Speaker 7: see my world more accessible. So I'm not getting a
Speaker 7: chance to really mentor I got a whole bunch of
Speaker 7: people just kind of.
Speaker 3: Want to be put on right right, and and so
Speaker 3: that didn't go well for me that that.
Speaker 7: You know, I want to be able to plant seas
Speaker 7: and help you, but I'm not here trying to put
Speaker 7: you on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so what I love.
Speaker 8: I love that you said social media is not evil.
Speaker 8: You know, it's broken people. They use it as a
Speaker 8: tool of evil.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Right, So does commentary on social media affect you at all?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I can't.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I think anybody be aligned with this. And
Speaker 7: I think that we all try to do our social
Speaker 7: media fast and we try to pull back, you know,
Speaker 7: Like after the Beach Awards, I was like, I'm not
Speaker 7: reading nothing.
Speaker 3: I don't want to read nothing.
Speaker 7: I don't want nothing, you know, And then you know
Speaker 7: a few days of Lady by yourself.
Speaker 5: I'm looking.
Speaker 3: Man, please about Jesus.
Speaker 7: You know, so you know, yeah, you you you, You
Speaker 7: find that attention and you try to do the best.
Speaker 7: I really believe y'all, and I know y'all gotta wrap
Speaker 7: me up real soon, man, I gotta believe. I believe
Speaker 7: that everything that we discussed can be summarized in these
Speaker 7: major points of humans have to be more kind to
Speaker 7: humans that we we Here's.
Speaker 3: The illustration before I go.
Speaker 7: Right, if you are on an island and the island
Speaker 7: is now slowly sinking into the water, and the only
Speaker 7: way off that island to the other piece of bigger
Speaker 7: land is this rope, this type rope, and everybody has
Speaker 7: to walk across that type rope.
Speaker 3: Now, mind you, they're walking over water.
Speaker 7: That is shark infested, right, so if you fall off
Speaker 7: that type rope, but that's the only way to get
Speaker 7: off this island is.
Speaker 3: This type rope.
Speaker 7: Everybody that is getting on that type rope, if you're
Speaker 7: sitting there, standing there watching them because you know your
Speaker 7: turn is coming up next, you're not going to be
Speaker 7: sitting there criticizing how they're getting off on that type
Speaker 7: You're not gonna be going look at a leap, look
Speaker 7: at shit.
Speaker 3: I didn't walking on it, right, look a look at that.
Speaker 7: You're not doing it because you know why you're not
Speaker 7: doing that, because you know you next, So you sent
Speaker 7: it going.
Speaker 3: Please man, oh God, please let them make it. Please
Speaker 3: she made it. She made because I give you hope
Speaker 3: that you can make it. That's what life is.
Speaker 7: It's sinking and we're trying to get off, and there's
Speaker 7: only way, there's only one way. And but we're criticizing
Speaker 7: each other while we're trying to get on.
Speaker 3: That's the only way. There's no boat, there's nothing.
Speaker 7: The only way off the sinking island is this damn
Speaker 7: difficult way. We should be praying people make it instead
Speaker 7: of complaining how they.
Speaker 3: Walking because you next?
Speaker 8: And the church said, amen, dang well, dang I was
Speaker 8: let me, how did you listen? You got some of
Speaker 8: the strongest pipes coming up out of your choirs, like
Speaker 8: I'm talking about like everybody was like a lead singer,
Speaker 8: like everybody, How did you find these people?
Speaker 3: That's how I do it, That's how you do it.
Speaker 3: I do it.
Speaker 5: I look for lead singer individuals.
Speaker 3: It's I go after artists.
Speaker 7: Ye's I look at people that I see an artist
Speaker 7: in them. Come rock with m and that's what I
Speaker 7: do and that's why they're so amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, but that's dope that you caught that.
Speaker 8: Since I was little, I'm like, yo ho, everybody can
Speaker 8: not just sing, but say everybody can sing like he
Speaker 8: could have had, like everybody do their own solo.
Speaker 5: Yeah crazy man.
Speaker 8: But I want to say I love you so much.
Speaker 8: I've been inspired since I was like just so.
Speaker 5: Young, just those long mornings my.
Speaker 8: Mother pop your CDs and for every CD we had.
Speaker 8: You know, I grew up on you and I love
Speaker 8: you and I'm so happy that I got to meet you.
Speaker 2: You know, this is so crazy. This is the first
Speaker 2: time you met him, because he.
Speaker 4: S second time.
Speaker 8: Always I met him before he but it is kind
Speaker 8: of crazy, mean, Kirk Franklin, because you men are in
Speaker 8: our household are literally and I know my heart for word,
Speaker 8: I know that like everything my whole life.
Speaker 4: So meeting you was just like so I'm mad.
Speaker 5: It was Kirk Franklin like okay, and it is your presence.
Speaker 8: So I thank you so much just for all of
Speaker 8: your work and everything that you that you've done, You've
Speaker 8: contributed to just to my household and to gospel, the
Speaker 8: Word of God.
Speaker 5: Everything thank you.
Speaker 1: That's kind of yeah, thank you well, Dinner Kings. You
Speaker 1: can check it out on YouTube. New single Dude again.
Speaker 1: We're about to play that again and we have to
Speaker 1: leave with a prayer.
Speaker 3: What's wrong with you know?
Speaker 7: I was.
Speaker 4: First of all? He prayed for me at the media
Speaker 4: room as well too. Okay, I'm always covering in prayer.
Speaker 3: Always coming too, but that.
Speaker 8: You see, Shay you I need you to pray in
Speaker 8: exactly exactly because they talked about them, so.
Speaker 5: Many of them talked them right off.
Speaker 3: Are we including praying for a zaddy or are.
Speaker 4: We please you allowed to say that to God? Go here?
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 7: Man, man, Father, wow, man, thank you so much that
Speaker 7: you are just the most kindest, the most patient, creative
Speaker 7: of them all. Thank you Lord, that you constantly just
Speaker 7: forgive us when we mess up, and that you are
Speaker 7: always warning us to win because when we win it
Speaker 7: makes you look great.
Speaker 3: Father.
Speaker 7: We know that the world is crazy, and Father, I
Speaker 7: want to thank you for these three soldiers, for the
Speaker 7: four soldiers, and how they are doing their best to
Speaker 7: try to plant seeds of goodness in the earth. Just
Speaker 7: watch over the families, watch over their lives. If we've
Speaker 7: ever needed you before. We need you in the world. Now,
Speaker 7: please break down the walls of religion so that we
Speaker 7: can be able to see the light of your son.
Speaker 7: And I'm talking about your son as oh end and father.
Speaker 7: We want him to be glorified in our lives. We
Speaker 7: are far from perfect, messed up, and we love the
Speaker 7: fact that you take the lemons and make lemonade in
Speaker 7: our lives every day. Thank you for not giving up
Speaker 7: on us. We want to make you proud, we want
Speaker 7: to make you happy. And your name Jesus, Amen.
Speaker 3: Amen.
Speaker 1: All right, well there you have it. It's Kirk Franklin.
Speaker 1: It's the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 2: Good morning.
Speaker 3: Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club