WEBVTT - Ep. 150: Deer Stories - The Unexpected (Part 1) 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:08.920 We'd named this dear Mowab, mother of all bucks. I 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:10.920 don't nickname every dear, I say, but for some reason 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:14.000 or another, that one he deserved a nickname. I test Ryan, 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:16.880 and I just said, he's in the field. If you 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:19.680 can get here, I'm just gonna sit here and wait. 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:22.840 I have a group thread with some friends of mine. 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:25.680 I just sent them a message and I said, boys, 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:28.880 I'm watching Mowab and I'm waiting for Ryan to get here, 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:30.760 to shoot him if the Lord wills it. 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:35.360 My brothers and sisters, we have found ourselves in the 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:38.360 beginning days of one of the great festivals of the 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:42.560 natural world. For roughly sixty days, the lives of men 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:47.760 will overlap a great pageant, ruddy, grunny, acorn, corn and 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:52.280 clover eating pageant. What I'm talking about is whitetailed deer 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:56.560 hunting of those connected to the land. Whitetail hunting in 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:59.920 the fall is one of the greatest celebrations in North America. 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:04.920 On this episode, we're back to the basics, telling deer stories. 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:11.440 Every storyteller on this episode bleeds a core bear grease frequency. 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:16.480 With some it's their passion, woodsmanship, ingenuity, or just deep 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:20.240 knowledge of deer honting in others, it's their nod to tradition, 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:24.880 love of family and friends. We're gonna hear seven stories 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:29.320 and most of them are gonna surprise you. From rolling apples, 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:34.160 good mountain horses, Andy Brown's Dads nineteen fifty six, Chevy 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:39.360 Mountain Lions, Charlie and Louisdale Edwards, deer dogs, and peeing 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.840 out of tree stands. This episode has stories that I 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:45.880 promise you you are not gonna hear anywhere else. 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:50.360 And it's Whitetail Week at meat Eater in First Light, 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:52.400 So check out all of. 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:57.000 The team's social media feeds for tips, tactics, and deals 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:00.840 this week. And if you're looking for more white tell content, 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:03.960 be sure to check out meat Eater's YouTube for our 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:07.720 series called One Week in November and a series called. 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:08.320 The Buck Truck. 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:12.440 But regardless, you're here now and you're about to hear 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:16.280 some incredible stories, and I really doubt that you're gonna 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:17.160 want to miss this one. 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:19.680 In the meanwhile, I'm about to go to the bathroom 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.840 in my pants. I've got to go so bad, so 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:23.680 I'm like, man. 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:25.079 I can't hold it anymore. 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:28.360 I've got to go to the bathroom, and I was like, Hey, 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:29.560 this might work. 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:41.240 My name is Clay Nukem, and this is the Bear 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:46.280 Grease Podcast, where we'll explore things forgotten but relevant, search 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:50.000 for insight and unlikely places, and where we'll tell the 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:53.760 story of Americans who live their lives close to the 0:02:53.880 --> 0:03:00.440 land presented by FHF gear, American made, purpose built hunting 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:04.000 and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged as 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:15.760 the places we explore. When you look at the last 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:19.600 several hundred years of history of North American wildlife, it's 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:24.160 clear that species ebb and flow in their populations. A 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:27.280 man's entire life might overlap with a period of low 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.880 animal numbers. For instance, if you're born in nineteen fifteen, 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:34.160 much of your adult life the bob white quail would 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:38.440 have been plentiful, maybe even seeming unlimited. But someone born 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:41.200 in nineteen eighty would hardly know that a bob white 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:44.600 quail existed. The first twenty five years of my life, 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:48.480 turkey numbers boomed, but then dwindled to the point I 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:51.320 can hardly find turkeys in the haunts of my youth. 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:53.000 It's really heartbreaking. 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:55.720 And think of the stories of the bison hunters of 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:59.480 the Great Plains, which those animals went from thirty plus 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:04.560 million to less than a thousand continental wide. However, the 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:08.680 white tailed deer is another story. It's estimated we have 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:12.200 twenty five million white tails, and some believe that's even 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:14.800 more than pre European settlement numbers. 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:16.640 We're living in. 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:19.320 The heyday of white tail deer hunting. Let me say 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:21.920 that again. We're living in the heyday of white tail 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:25.960 deer hunting. Seasons are long, bag limits are liberal, and 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:27.440 bucks just seem to be. 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:29.120 Getting bigger everywhere. 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:32.240 I was talking to a fellow the other day who 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:35.200 said the liberal season structures make it hard to even 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:38.640 break the law deer hunting anymore. He said, we can 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:40.640 do things today we could have never done in the 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:47.559 decades past, hunting September, kill six deer year and shoot doze. 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:51.520 And the information about deer behavior that the average hunter 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:56.000 has access to today is unprecedented. There's actually a really 0:04:56.040 --> 0:05:00.520 cool documentary that just came out called wild Tail America's 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:04.480 Wildest Conservation Story, produced by the National Deer Association. 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:05.640 Look it up. 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:09.440 Pretty sure it's going to be on Amazon soon. But 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:13.800 let's get to these stories, and our first storyteller is 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:17.920 from the highlands of western Arkansas. In his community, he 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:20.720 is known as one of the best public land mountain 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:25.760 deer hunters around. Dale Craig is a cattle rancher, former ferrier. 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:26.799 And he's a cowboy. 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.920 I went to school with his son, Clint Craig, who 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.800 made a big run in the PBR as a professional 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:36.440 bull rider. These guys are the real deal, and he 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:40.159 and his hunting partner Travis Ross, love using horses for 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:44.560 deer hunting. It's my pleasure and honor to introduce you 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:45.640 to Dale Craig. 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:52.360 Well, Clay. This this is a one of my stories 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.960 of hunting in a public land in This is Dale 0:05:56.040 --> 0:06:00.320 Craig and I grew up. My dad wouldn't he wasn't 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:03.240 a hunter, but my mom come from a family that 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:07.040 hunted all the time, and I spent a lot of 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:10.000 time with my mom's brother, which my uncle, my first cousin. 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:13.000 That's where I learned to hunt. Slipping through the woods. 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:17.600 We didn't set We just snuck around. You know, if 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.280 you jump up a no buck, nine times out of ten, 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:23.679 he'll run out there fifty seventy five, sometimes a hundred yards. 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:26.520 He's gonna spind around, look back at you and see 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:29.200 see what's scared him, and then you can you can 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:31.360 shoot him, you know, if it's the bulk you're wanting 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:36.040 to kill. And that's how I grew up hunting, and 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:39.440 that takes me. Probably one of the neatest hunts that 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:43.200 I did over in on the public land was in 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:46.800 a November in nineteen ninety eight. There was a good 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.839 buddy of mine. He'd been after this buck and shot 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:53.000 at him and missed him. So it was probably I 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.680 didn't go back in there for four or five days. Yeah, 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:58.360 we camped on the on the main road and we'd 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:01.719 ride our horses into this public area. And you know, 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.320 back in them days, we were get up four o'clock 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:09.400 in the morning, Travis saddle horses. I'd cook breakfast. We 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:10.040 were gung hole. 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:10.400 Now. 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:14.640 I went in there that day and I'd hunted hard 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:18.200 all day, hadn't even seen a single deer that day. 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:20.800 It got on up, It's two o'clock in the afternoon. 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:24.040 You know, how to get little sun, get the beating 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:27.040 down here, you get hot. I was hot and sweating. 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:31.080 I went around this leg, started off the mountain there, 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:34.560 headed back towards my horse, and I got in a 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:37.640 bunch of rocks, big old rock out cropping film. I 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:40.880 got the smelling, you know how where a buck's been bedding. 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:44.280 He just bed today after day after day. And they 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:47.720 just there was beds everywhere in these rocks. There was 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:53.200 buck crap everywhere, and they'll secrete that that all when 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:55.520 they're rubbing their old glands, comes out of their gland. 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.320 There was just all on the leaves all around. And 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.400 I walked through there, and finally I foun where that 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:02.840 buck had been coming in to this beding area, and 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:05.920 he just had a trail war going out. It was 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:09.840 headed west. I walked followed that trail out there, and 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:13.200 it just dropped off in a big canyon. At the 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:15.920 bottom of that canyon, it tied onto the main part 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.320 of the mountain. So I just sat down there, and 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:21.480 that mountain was steep. I had my feet up against 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:25.320 a tree, got my grunt call out. I blew my 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.080 grunt three or four times, stuck it back in my pocket, 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:31.680 and had this big old apple. I was hungry. I 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:33.760 pulled that apple out and I took her by that apple. 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:37.120 I didn't even start chewing on that apple yet, and 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:40.280 I heard a brush start crashing on the main part 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:43.800 of the mountain. It sounded like I heard a deer 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:47.840 coming down through there, and I just kind of froze 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:50.880 there for a little bit. And this deer I just 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:54.160 see glimpses of it. I mean, it was making a 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:57.360 bee line offside that mountain. It was across a big, 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:01.720 big canyon, big valley across there. You just see glimpses 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:03.040 of it every once in a while. And I could 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:05.320 see horns, and I knew it was a good buck. 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:07.840 When it's and. 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:09.240 It ran to the bottom there and I could just 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:11.880 I couldn't make it out completely if I could see 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:15.240 some legs and horns, and uh, you don't have them 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:18.480 beech saplings that get real thick on a it is 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:20.440 a watered hole. I come off here and there there 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:23.000 was a bunch of those and had yellow leaves on them. 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:25.800 That deer was behind a bunch of that stuff, and 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:28.960 I thought, well, he'll take a step here in a 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:30.199 minute and get out there an oat ma and get 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:31.599 a shot at him. Well, I had that apple on 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:34.880 my left hand, so I just reached over and I 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:37.720 laid that apple down in the leaves, and I turned 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.920 that apple loose, pulling my hand back and that apple 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:47.920 took off down the mountain, rolling and it made the 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:50.120 god off the sound you ever heard. I thought, I 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.320 just started cringing. I thought, boy, I have fouled this 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:57.880 hunt up. And about that time, that buck he just 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:01.640 took off running that towards that out and that apple 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:04.280 it would go five six foot in the air and 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.520 then hit the ground. It just cuts on, cuts on 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:09.000 off down the side. And that buck thought it was 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:12.040 another deer. And he come running up through there, and 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:16.040 I'm I'm talking. He's his old Harris turned wrong side out. 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:18.920 He's all bristled up, had his old tongue right out, 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:22.040 and it is a block by coming up through there. 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:23.400 He was ready for a fight. 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:27.760 And he ran up probably fifty to seventy feet and 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:28.960 just threw the brakes on. 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:30.560 Well. 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:34.640 Whenever he stopped, there was an old black jack tree there. 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:37.360 It had his head and his front part of his 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:39.840 front shoulder covered up, but I could see horns, I 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:42.760 could see his nose, but from about the third rib 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.920 back I could see all that. And I finally I 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:48.480 picked out a little hole of about three or four 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:52.440 inches wide through that black jack brush. I put that 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:56.000 cross hair on that and I squeezed it off, and 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:59.080 that deer hit the ground. I mean he was dead. 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:03.079 Ountain was so steep he went off of it backwards, 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:05.440 just slide and went all the way to the creek. 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:09.240 And bought him down there on the creek. And he 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.040 wasn't the biggest set of horns on the deer I've 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:15.080 ever killed, but that for a mountain buck. He was 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.080 probably a one hundred. I've weighed quite a few deer. 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:22.120 He'd weigh one hundred and seventy five or more. He 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:25.920 was a big, big buck. That apple rolling off air 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:27.959 that just if that apple hadn't rolled off their he 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:29.640 might not run up there in my face and let 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:33.600 me kill him. You know, I'd gut him. And I 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:36.000 never killed a deer that I couldn't throw on that horse. 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:38.280 I mean, I pick him up and put him up 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:39.760 on the throw him up on the saddle. 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:41.559 But I couldn't load this deer. 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:44.720 So I had to get my horse in a big 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:47.520 was shout in the creek and tied him up there 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:49.199 and drug that deer down. That old horse he is 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:53.120 generally you could pile deer all over him. And I 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:55.800 wrestled that deer up in the saddle tied his front 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:58.080 feet to one side of the saddle and his back 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:00.480 feet to the gird on the other side, and crawled 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:02.679 up in the saddle and wrote back to camp. 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:08.560 I love the live action drama of Dale's hunt. Just 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:11.720 when things seemed like they couldn't get better, a buck 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:14.760 responding to a grunt call. That's a good thing, things 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:18.120 got worse real quick with that rolling, jumping apple. 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:19.760 I laughed when he. 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:23.040 Said that apple was bouncing five feet off the ground. 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:26.520 But then when he thought everything was run, the deer 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:31.480 shockingly responded by running straight towards that apple, which it 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:34.760 clearly thought was a charging buck. That was a good 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:41.000 deer story Dale. Our next storyteller is Dale's good friend 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:45.400 Travis Ross. He's a full time ferrier and would bleed 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:49.040 cornbread if you cut him. Travis is gonna tell a 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:52.000 bit about his history as a deer hunter and when 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:55.839 Dale introduced him to a new way of hunting. You're 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:59.160 gonna hear a few names in this one that anybody 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:01.360 that's been listen then the bear grease for a while 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:05.679 might know. I'll give you a hint, genuine outlaws. 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.880 Here's Travis. 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:12.960 Well, this is Travis Russ My dad was a fox 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:16.760 and wolf hunter. He run run dogs, they run colts. 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:19.640 There was a bunch of that in this country back then, 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:24.240 go to field trials whatever. But we also, you know, 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:27.640 we deer hunting. We run deer with dogs. You get 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:31.840 on stand. Everybody gets a designate spot, and some stands 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:34.400 is better than others. But you sit there till the 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:37.320 dogs run a deer over you. I mean, I love 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:39.280 listening to them. I still do to this day. Love 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:43.360 hear a good race. So anyway, I've done that forever 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:47.079 and couldn't hard to kill nothing. I mean, it's hard 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.559 to kill a deer that's coming by you one hundred 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:52.400 mile an hour and when you shot at him, you 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:54.880 emptied your gun at him. You know, it's a totally 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:58.079 different way of hunt. It's just you just shoot till 0:13:58.080 --> 0:13:59.600 you run out of bullets and you either kill it 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:03.880 or you do So anyway, I was a rodeo in 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:06.280 two at the time and team roping a little bit 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:11.079 and riding bulls, had horses, been working for Dale and 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:15.760 his dad, Dawn, working cattling whatever, working for them, And anyway, 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:18.720 one year there is nineteen ninety one, Dale said, uh, 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:22.120 why don't we go up in the mountains and uh 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:26.360 take our horses in there and uh go hunting, take 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:26.880 a bedroll. 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:27.520 We'll spend the. 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:30.680 Night, come up next day. And I'm like that parked 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:33.880 me up, you know, rifle pony in me. I'm all in, 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:37.000 I'm about that. Let's go. So we we do, and 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.800 we'd take off. We leave out about what daylight that morning. 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.320 We headed up in there and we rode about four 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:46.360 or five miles. We found a spot we were in camp. 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.560 We made camp, which we didn't make camp. We just 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:51.480 throw the stuff off our horses and tied them up. 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:52.080 We went hunting. 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.720 Yeah, we hit it out hunh Well, after. 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:57.440 A little while, it wasn't very long. I heard a 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:01.600 two seventy gold up on side of the mountain. I 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:05.000 knew it was him. All well, cool, we got something. 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:07.440 And I'd seen some deer and this and that ren 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:09.640 You know, I didn't know what I was doing. There 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:13.120 ain't no dogs running after I was on up in 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:16.800 the afternoon. Probably I'm kind of up on the mountain 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:22.640 a little ways there. I heard a up up and 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:26.360 I'm listening. I know what that is, and directly got 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:28.640 a little closer, a little closer. There's some dogs come 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.520 over the mountain, and I got to looking there, just 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:33.520 a big long leg come off the mountain. It's coming 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:35.240 right to where I'm at. And I'm like, you know, 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:38.400 if they crossed where I think they are, I go 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:39.640 back in the dog mode. 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:42.000 They're going to run right down here. 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:45.040 And I used to open and middle of that leg 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:47.680 or that gap that was there, and I looked up. 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:50.040 Here come this buck just flying off that mountain, just 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:53.680 locking them dogs. Right after Well, I had my thirty 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:57.400 thirty Winchester full of bullets, like I knew how to do. 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:00.800 I went to Levern add him about forty yards and 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.960 I probably shot five or six times, didn't I I 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:07.520 about emptied it. But moral of the story is I 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:10.760 couldn't get away from the dog running and the dogs 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:14.400 wound up being Louidale and Charlie Edwards's dogs that were 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:17.640 running that deer, and I don't know where they come from. 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:20.200 Was that the same year we talked about hanging their 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:21.200 collars on the limb. 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:24.480 We were back in there later and they had some 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:26.440 dogs that come in there and just bet it up 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:29.680 with us. Sinatra was gonna take their tracking collars and 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:30.400 hang them up there. 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:33.400 He's gonna take their collars out and hang them on 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:34.960 top of the mountain, leave it up there. 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:39.000 But we didn't do no Charlie that second time, or no. 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:41.320 Louidale told me to eat. He said, I found where 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:43.800 you all been camping. Said I had to walk in 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:46.560 there and them dogs was betted up there eating up 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:51.880 scrapsy'all left. Yeah, I remember they walked in there and 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:53.160 got them dogs. 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:57.160 I never did tell Ludale. If I'd have told Louidale 0:16:57.240 --> 0:17:00.240 about killing a deer in front of his dog, he 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.280 probably wouldn't have been mad, but he'd have wanted half 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:02.840 of that deer. 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:04.760 We was all friends. 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.160 He'd have just been like, I can't believe you killed 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:09.080 a deer in front of my dog and didn't tell me. 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:12.080 We just didn't tell him. Yeah, even though as my 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:16.880 first hunt in the mountains, I hunted every year probably 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:22.080 until past five years. Yeah, I have hunted them mountains 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:26.679 and old boots a horse. Boots was really good at 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:30.360 hauling deer and I added up. One year I hauled 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:33.439 thirty two deer out of the mountains on boots. I 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:36.560 mean you let him up to a deer, dropped the 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:38.840 reins on the ground and grabbed it and throwed it 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.520 on him, and he'd just kind of turn and look 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:45.439 at it and go and he'd go out of the 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:47.679 mountains just same speed as he went in, which was 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:48.480 really slow. 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:53.360 That was a good story, Travis Ross. 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:56.040 And for those who've been around Bear Greece for a while, 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:59.719 you'll remember our Genuine Outlaws series that started an episode 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:03.800 fIF two where we did a profile on Louisdale and 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:08.480 Charlie Edwards. That was one of our most listened to series, 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:12.520 right up there with Daniel Boone and Hulk Collier. Travis's 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:16.600 story also introduced us to deer hunting with dogs, which 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:19.520 is a long standing tradition in some parts of the country, 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:24.440 well actually very few parts of the country. We could 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:26.760 have a debate on the pros and cons of running 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:27.600 deer with dogs. 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:30.880 I'm well aware of the cons, but. 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:35.280 I believe the traditional use aspects of running dogs is 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:40.960 incredibly strong, and that the institution has an incalculatable cultural 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:44.159 value in the broad picture of American hunting in the 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:48.280 places where it's practiced. I'm an advocate for hunters and 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:52.439 traditional use practices. There are plenty of places where you 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:55.639 cannot run dogs if you don't want to be around running. 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:57.320 Dogs go to one of those places. 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:00.520 I believe in a person's right to hunt the way 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:03.159 they see fit, within the boundaries of the law and 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:06.840 within the big picture conservation agenda of where they're at. 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:09.919 I grew up as a bow hunter in an area 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:12.800 where everyone ran dogs, and I never had any trouble. 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:14.679 It's just something we calculated for. 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:15.719 I love it. 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:19.520 As we'll hear in later episodes, dog hunting is tough 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:23.000 and often and inefficient way to hunt. If your goal 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:26.240 is to kill deer, way more deer are killed over 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:28.919 food plots, corn piles, and out of tree. 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:30.600 Stands with bows and arrows. 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:35.400 I love the regional diversity of our country, and I 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:38.800 love supporting the way that people want to hunt. And 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:41.760 for the record, for the record, it's no joke to 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:44.560 take the callers off a hunting dog. That's why Dale 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:47.560 and Travis made a joke about taking callers off a 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:50.520 hunting dog. They knew not to do that, and they didn't, 0:19:50.760 --> 0:20:00.960 and it was funny. Our next story teller is none 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:04.480 other than Andy Brown from Western Arkansas. He's one of 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:08.040 the best storytellers that I know. Andy's in his mid 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:10.600 sixties and has a long track record with the Bear 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:13.920 Grease podcast. He was a guest on the Louis Dellen 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:17.920 Charlie series, and he's told multiple deer in Turkey hunting 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:20.679 stories to us. That's part of the reason that I 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:26.520 asked him. Remember that I asked Andy specifically to tell 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:30.520 us this story, and it's about his upbringing and. 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:32.480 Particularly about his father. 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:37.000 I think this story gives some context from where Andy 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:40.719 came from, but really where we came from, and that 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:45.400 is important to not forget. In Andy's words, this one 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:49.680 is a little raw. And remember in this story, Andy 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:52.560 is ten years old. Here's Andy Brown. 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:58.639 Telling the story. What I'd like to do. I'd just 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:01.000 like to give you a little history about my dad. 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:06.399 My dad's name was Barney and he was tenth of 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:10.119 eleven kids born in nineteen nineteen, if that tells you anything. 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:13.320 So you know he had a lot of older siblings. 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:16.800 You know he was he was a little rough around 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:19.360 the edge, as you know. But I don't mind telling 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:21.960 you this. He was in reform school and when he 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:26.320 got out of reform school, he went to prison for 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:30.080 four months and twenty days back when he was in 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:33.960 his teenage years. And this is kind of funny too. 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:36.119 He did that. He broke into Dick Huddles history at 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:41.840 Pine Ridge, Yeah, and went to my uncle and my 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:43.840 uncle when him went to the Sheriff's office, he turned 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:46.480 himself in. But yeah, but Dad was just it was 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:49.760 a whole different generation. And Dad had a lot of faults. 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:52.760 But if he told you something, that's what he meant. 0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:55.400