1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: Alzon Media. 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 2: I ain't coming that a big one. Are welcome back 3 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 2: to it could happen here. A podcast that was originally 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: about the theoretical possibility of mass civil conflict and coming 5 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: militarized authoritarian regime and is now about the reality of 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: that happening to different communities at different speeds all around 7 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: the country, and right now Los Angeles is where we're 8 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: focused on. Yeah, as you've probably heard from the news 9 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: or from the episode we did earlier this week, Los Angeles, 10 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 2: California has been in a state of what the President 11 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: declared insurrection, what most people would declare fairly small protests 12 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: based on the overall size of the city, topping out 13 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: at maybe four to six thousand people on Sunday, and 14 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: the President is called a National Guard, He's called in 15 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: the Marines, and we called in James Stout to head 16 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: up to Los Angeles and look at the scene. James, 17 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: that's right, Yeah, me the alternative to the United States 18 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 2: Marine Corps. Yeah, So I've just got back from LA 19 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 2: I was there on Monday night, obviously covering the protests. 20 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 3: I got there mid morning, I guess, but at that 21 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,559 Speaker 3: point the SEIU were having a rally. Yeah, the rally 22 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 3: was for the release of David Huerta, who was released 23 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 3: on bail. I believe after that, like not while the 24 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 3: rally was going on, and from there, like I basically 25 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 3: sort of started walking around downtown La. I guess there 26 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 3: was this really weird kind of phenomenon where you'd like 27 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 3: go down to a place and you'd see one hundred 28 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 3: people shouting cops, fed troops, or some combination of the three. 29 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 2: Right. 30 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 3: Pretty often around the Federal building, it's weird. At the 31 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 3: front entrance, like where the entrance was, you had like 32 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 3: a initial presence of like the front line were National 33 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 3: Guard with maybe it looked like it was maybe like 34 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 3: NCOs or something. You had loaded service weapons, and then 35 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 3: other soldiers had shields in it and like old school 36 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 3: wooden button sticks, right, just just a long long ass stick. 37 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 3: Basically around the other side you had LAPD at the 38 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 3: front and National Guard behind them, and then across the 39 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 3: street from that you had California Highway Patrol and their 40 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 3: riot squad. And then in another location, I think it 41 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 3: was at City Hall, you had La Sheriff's so literally 42 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 3: every agency that can claim any jurisdiction. 43 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: Right. 44 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 3: There was also a DHSRPF FPS, Like literally literally every 45 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 3: every federal and local agency that could send cops sent cops. 46 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 3: It wouldn't surprise me to hear that there were more 47 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 3: than a thousand cops, Like maybe it was hundreds, But 48 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 3: it was hard to get a handle on because every 49 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 3: street you went down, every corner you turned, you ran 50 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 3: into another wall of cops right of ten or fifteen 51 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 3: cars behind them. They were constantly driving around until you know, 52 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 3: I stayed until about two in the morning, and it's 53 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 3: protest obviously, like as I'll explain later, kind of escalated, 54 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 3: I guess, and there's police violence escalated. In the evening, 55 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 3: you'd see these convoys of cop cars just hauling ass 56 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 3: through downtown periodically every hour or so, like running lights 57 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 3: and sirens, like a dozen or so cop cars just 58 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 3: booking it through downtown. Yeah, so it's very hard to 59 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 3: get a sense of like who they are, what they 60 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 3: were doing. They closed all the freeway entrances and exits, 61 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 3: which like I took the I took a train up 62 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 3: trying to be a mass transit enjoyer, and it made 63 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 3: it a fucking nightmare to get anywhere, right, Yeah, that 64 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 3: makes sense, Like anyone who lives or works in downtown 65 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 3: LA will have experienced this already, but like it's and 66 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,839 Speaker 3: then throughout the fuck in the evening, right, you've got 67 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 3: people coming up to you being like, Hey, I live 68 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 3: in little Tokyo. I can't get back because there's a 69 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 3: wall of cops and they keep throwing tea, gescalades, any suggestions. 70 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't get home. 71 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, like an unfortunately, like you know, not much we 72 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 3: can suggest. And then on top of that, because it's 73 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 3: southern California, you know the United States, really people who 74 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 3: can't afford a place to live asleeping on the street 75 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 3: and they're getting TS two and they're getting flashbag too. 76 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 3: I remember like we were up by LAPDHQ at one 77 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 3: point and I seen this guy sleeping on a bench 78 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 3: and the cops were pushing up the street and I 79 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 3: was just trying to sort of take a position where 80 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 3: I could take a photograph, you know, and I saw 81 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 3: him sleeping and I was like, oh, should I wait, 82 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 3: wake this guy? You know, I don't want him to 83 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 3: get a nasty surprise and wake up to a wall 84 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 3: of robocops. And at that point the cops opened up 85 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 3: with whatever they were shooting at that time, forty milimeter, 86 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 3: thirty seven millimeter. 87 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, most of what I've heard is a mix of 88 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 2: pepper balls and yeah forty milimeter yeah, yeah, grenades and 89 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,119 Speaker 2: rubber rounds, some foam, Yeah, some foam. 90 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 3: I found some Safari Land thirty seven milimeter foam casings 91 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 3: on the ground. 92 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 2: Oh nice. Yeah, and yeah, mostly what it was. 93 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 3: You know, LAPD have those green forty milimeters launchers with 94 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 3: the eotex on top, and that was what. 95 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks down the barrel of a few times. 96 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 3: And so if the evening went on right, you'd get 97 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 3: larger groups and they'd become like, you know, more vocal, 98 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 3: I guess in their protesting. At one point, people having 99 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 3: like a street dance party. Occasionally people would would throw 100 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 3: a firework or set off a firework, and then sporadically 101 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 3: and like without really any clear kind of signal, at 102 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 3: some point clearly the whole area was declared an lawful assembly. 103 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 3: I'm guessing it's very hard to actually hear when they're 104 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 3: saying stuff on the l RAD unless it's directly like 105 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 3: pointed at you. But I heard some signed kind of 106 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 3: olt rad an awful assembly announcement at some point, and yeah, 107 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 3: periodically you'd come around a three corner and be like 108 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 3: one hundred, one hundred and fifty two hundred people protesting 109 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 3: right and then the cops would toss a flashbang or 110 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 3: a tear gas, loose off a few rounds, push thirty 111 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 3: yards and then stop and then do that again ten, fifteen, 112 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 3: twenty thirty minutes later, and they keep doing that, and 113 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 3: then they push people back past these various buildings which 114 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 3: had cops like stationed in place like on the parapet 115 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 3: of the building or on the courtyard outside, who would 116 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 3: then also fire at them. So the protest never really 117 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 3: got a chance to centralize. People didn't really get a 118 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 3: chance to centralize in one place. And you know, like 119 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,799 Speaker 3: to have a sense of how many numbers of protesters 120 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 3: there were was hard because every torny you turned, there were. 121 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: More people and there were more cops. So like it 122 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 2: was a bit broken apart. 123 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 3: And I think that was the goal of the policing 124 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 3: operation right to flood the city, was cops to shut 125 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 3: it all down, to make it hard to get there, yep, 126 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 3: and make it hard to gather there. 127 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 2: I still don't get the sense, and this is what 128 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 2: it sounds like from what You've said that most of 129 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 2: what is being done effectively is not the National Guard 130 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 2: and certainly not the Marines. It's the federal and local 131 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 2: police and their game plan here is they assuming things 132 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 2: calmed out in Los Angeles, which is probably the safe 133 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: bet right now. Every time they get over a certain 134 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: threshold of protesters a couple of hundred one thousand or 135 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 2: so in a city, you know, do the same thing, right, 136 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 2: like deploy the military national or federalized the National Guard, 137 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: get him out there, right, Like that's that's where they're headed. 138 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so, Like I don't know if LA 139 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 3: will back down, to be clear, Like La is a 140 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 3: city of what like like four million people. 141 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 2: And eighteen nineteen million in the greater Los Angeles metro area. 142 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it's uh, I know right, Like I had 143 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 3: these I had good conversations with a lot of people 144 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 3: who are out there protesting. I want to go to 145 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 3: to ad like it is that we were really well 146 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 3: received by everyone, which was nice. Like it wasn't the 147 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 3: same crowd as folks I've seen in twenty twenty, Like 148 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 3: no one was in black block, right of course, and 149 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 3: then it was very young people and like a number 150 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 3: of the approached. I was for a time. I was 151 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 3: with Charles McBride and like some other oh yeah yeah 152 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 3: colleagues and friends, like people have known fet years, right, 153 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 3: we cover the same kind of shit. And people would 154 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 3: come up to us and just be like, hey, it's 155 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 3: good that you guys are here. Thank you for staying 156 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 3: here after we got fucking tear guests, like people should 157 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 3: understand that what's happening, Like the unprompted people would would 158 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 3: come and say thank you, which was nice, you know, 159 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 3: and like we didn't really face any any hostility for 160 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 3: being there. But people when I spoke to them, like 161 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 3: there was a lot of a lot of people I 162 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 3: spoke to were very young, and they would say that 163 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 3: they were the citizen kid of parents who either were 164 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 3: you know, like permanent residents or visa holders or you know, 165 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 3: they're veryous. I'm sure if some of them had undocumented parents. 166 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 3: I can't remember speaking to anyone who said that, but 167 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 3: I'm sure that given the numbers of people and the 168 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 3: number of times I heard like, I'm the citizen child, 169 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 3: so I should be here showing up for my family 170 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 3: and my community. 171 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, that makes sense. 172 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, And like it's gonna be hard to back those 173 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 3: people down because they were fucking angry. Yeah, a real 174 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 3: palpable sense of like fuck you was like very present throughout. 175 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 2: People were also afraid. 176 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 3: It's not people who are necessarily used to this, right, 177 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 3: and like you said, the police response is an overwhelming. 178 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 2: Use of violence, right, indiscriminately shooting it people from what 179 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 2: what's the what's the furthest distance you were seeing them 180 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 2: fire at people from. 181 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 3: I mean I probably saw them taking one hundred meter shots, 182 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 3: I'm guessing, like. 183 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 2: Which is very long range for this sort of stuff. 184 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean so at one point, when we've got 185 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 3: pushed back past the LAPDHQ there, they had the whole 186 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 3: sort of front face of it, and they led off 187 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 3: a bunch of shots towards myself and some others. I 188 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 3: just sort of got down behind some cover there and 189 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 3: started filming. And then there was a group of young 190 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 3: people who were in one of those kind of classic 191 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 3: LA three corner open quad more things. 192 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 193 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 3: So they're basically in a in a U shaped container, 194 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 3: right with only one way in and one way out, 195 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 3: and right there's glass stores around it like that, you know, 196 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 3: there's all the shopping bits people go shopping and there's 197 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 3: pill in the middle, and the cops are just unloading 198 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 3: from a distance of maybe one hundred meters from labd HQ. 199 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 3: I think into these people who are effectively like in 200 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 3: a like fish in a barrel. Right, they're in a 201 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 3: container where they is the only way I was the 202 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 3: direction the cops shooting from. There was a small outlet 203 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 3: on the other side, which eventually they were able to take. 204 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 3: That meant they had to cross across like a four 205 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 3: lane road while being shot at by the cops. And 206 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 3: the cops just kept shooting at them there like it 207 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 3: wasn't like they shot a couple of times. They clearly shot, reloaded, shot, reloaded, 208 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 3: and I was filming from the other side, but you 209 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 3: could see these projectiles whacking out like reinforced glass in 210 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 3: the front of these businesses at head height, not breaking 211 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 3: the glass and falling on the ground, punching a hole 212 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 3: straight through. You know, they get coming with serious force 213 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 3: even at that distance. And like those people weren't presenting 214 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 3: a threat twenty one right, they had retreated into that 215 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 3: building after the cops shot their first volley, and the 216 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 3: cubs just kept shooting at them. 217 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 2: I saw a lot of that throughout the. 218 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 3: Night, Like it didn't seem like, you know, anyone was 219 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 3: like okay, now it's a time for you guys to fire, 220 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 3: you know, like they just just sporadic shots throughout the evening. 221 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, we're gonna continue talking about what's going on 222 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 2: in Los Angeles and what we think is going to 223 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 2: happen next. But first, here's some ads fuck and we're back. So, 224 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 2: if you read like the manuals these people are supposed 225 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: to follow, how they're supposed to utilize the riot control 226 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 2: weapons that they use, there's a couple of things that 227 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: you see. One of them is that they're supposed to 228 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 2: be like a bladder of escalation before which they start 229 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 2: utilizing force a range. And the other is that there's 230 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 2: certain ways they're supposed to use these munitions, like, for example, 231 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 2: you're not supposed to shoot people with rubber bullets. You're 232 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 2: supposed to bounce them off of the ground and into 233 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 2: people because otherwise they're not really less than lethal. Yeah. Yeah, 234 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 2: we're seeing a lot of cases of people who've had 235 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 2: at least several that I can count, I think three 236 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 2: of people having surgically removed different like rubber and foam rounds, 237 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: and it doesn't look like they're abiding by kind of 238 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 2: any of the rules by which, per their own documentation, 239 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 2: they're supposed to practice, right, I mean, yeah, that's what 240 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 2: I saw. 241 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 3: Some of them even have eotechs like on their launches, 242 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 3: which I don't know why you'd want an eotech if 243 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 3: you were skipping it off the ground. I don't know, 244 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 3: maybe there's a different rounds they're using, but like, yeah, yeah, 245 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 3: the overwhelming what I saw was just like zero to 246 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 3: one hundred, right, Like they push, they'd throw a ta 247 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 3: gass or a flash bang, and then you just hear 248 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 3: like pop pop pop pop pop pop pop. Yeahs, a 249 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 3: bunch of them unloaded and like raising the forty milimeters 250 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 3: launcher to his shoulder and pointing it to someone two 251 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 3: feet away. 252 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 2: Like I saw a lot of that. 253 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we'd be going down these streets trying 254 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 3: to find a different angle, trying to find where we 255 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 3: could stand and do our jobs as press right and 256 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 3: come around the corner and just just get a forty 257 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 3: milimeters pointed at you. I didn't see any skipping shit 258 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 3: off the ground. Yeah, I did see businesses getting their 259 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 3: windows punched out by things that the police were shooting 260 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 3: at people like. 261 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, which I'm sure we're one getting blamed on protesters. Yeah, yeah, 262 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 2: exactly right. 263 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 3: I mean I saw CNN last night was picking up 264 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 3: fucking phone button rounds and being like these are what 265 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 3: they're throwing at the cops, Like yeah, it just remarkable. 266 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 3: I mean I did see LASD and National Guard with 267 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 3: rifles with magazines in the maguel and you know they 268 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 3: had a round chamber doesn't matter, does it. 269 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 2: No, you're a second away from chambering around, right, exactly. 270 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, the IDF carries with an empty chamber and it 271 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 3: hasn't stopped them a whole lot of people, has it. 272 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 3: The presence of lethal force was closer than I've seen before. Yeah, 273 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 3: Like I'm familiar with seeing overwatch at these things, Right, 274 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 3: someone would what you would colloquially referred to as a 275 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 3: sniper on a rooftop. But it's not overwatching if you're 276 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 3: just in the back of a pickup truck with an 277 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 3: M four right, look at an unmagnified optic, like you're 278 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 3: not You're not over watching shit, you just have lethal 279 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 3: force right there. And I saw that a number of times, 280 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 3: right from the National Guard and then la SD. They 281 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 3: did the whole l rad like go home. It's been 282 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 3: declared an awful assembly thing. But then there wasn't that 283 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 3: kind of scaled use of force that like you say, 284 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 3: is supposed. 285 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: To be there. 286 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 3: There wasn't really much in the way of like we're 287 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 3: going to start shooting now, and like, of course that 288 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 3: means that if you're an unhused person, if you've arrived, 289 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 3: if you're if you're a local person just trying to 290 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 3: get home, it's very possible you can just walk past 291 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 3: and get tear gas. Like at one point, right they 292 00:14:58,160 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 3: were opening up, and like I'd been looking for a 293 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 3: excuse of bathroom for a while because fucking southern California, right, 294 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 3: like there are no public bathrooms, yes. 295 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 2: Which is you know, increasingly every major city. He was 296 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 2: an issue. People got, people get arrested by the fence 297 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 2: for like being on federal property in Portland. Great when 298 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 2: like there was really nowhere else to go. 299 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, and like some some kindly local guy 300 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 3: invited us into his building and asked that, you know, 301 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 3: let us use the bathroom. But yeah, then we stepped 302 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 3: out and suddenly we're like confronted by cops again, Like 303 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 3: you know, I could have been someone who was there 304 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 3: just going to have to get a slice of pizza. Yeah, 305 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 3: the force was like sporadic and unpredictable throughout the evening. 306 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 3: And then as were these convoys of vehicles that would 307 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 3: just come hauling ass through downtown right obviously not you know, 308 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 3: stopping at red lights, et cetera. 309 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 2: It was weird. 310 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 3: Sometimes a green light would happen, so the cars would 311 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 3: start going like and then this cop convoy would come 312 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 3: and some of them would turn right, and some of 313 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 3: them would assume the cars would stop and go straight on. 314 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 3: And so you had the situation where the cops were 315 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 3: nearly hitting each other and it just like it seemed 316 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 3: utterly chaotic, and I don't know what they were doing 317 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 3: other than driving around a high speed for fun. Once 318 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 3: they did manage to kettle some groups of people right 319 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 3: like they again folks maybe who haven't been at these 320 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 3: events before will not be familiar with the way these 321 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 3: things work. But like the police would move in from 322 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 3: both sides and then suddenly you're like, oh shit, there's 323 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 3: nowhere to go. And then I did and put up 324 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 3: in a school bus to take presuably to detain those 325 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 3: people and take them to process them. But yeah, the 326 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 3: tactics were like, I mean, it's their cops. Is what 327 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 3: you expect that you know, we've both been doing this 328 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 3: for a while. You expect them to use those weapons 329 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 3: in the way they can inflict the most damage and 330 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 3: harm to people, And unfortunately, like that does seem to 331 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 3: be happening again. 332 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, in terms of where things are right now, yeah, 333 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 2: you know, Gavin Newsom is trying to thread the needle. 334 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 2: It looks like between letting the LAPD do whatever they 335 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 2: and he, to be fair, I don't think he has 336 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: any issue with people getting fucked up with right nations 337 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 2: what to do well, also not seeding responsibility for security 338 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: of his state to the federal government, which has been 339 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 2: an interesting line for him to walk. 340 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean his stance seems to be like the 341 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 3: LAPD can fuck up these kids, just fine, we don't 342 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 3: need your help, yes. 343 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 2: Which I mean they literally can. Like I will say, yeah, 344 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 2: that's not incorrect, right, I'm not talking at a moral level. 345 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 2: I'm just saying like, yes, the LAPD has sufficient force 346 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 2: for the protests that have been that have existed. 347 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the LAPD then the first Nights who 348 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 3: were caught off guard. 349 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 2: I think right, and so was ICE, And there was 350 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 2: a lot of debate about because like you know, LAPD 351 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 2: not coming in initially to support ICE when they got surrounded, 352 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 2: like and that's those are the kind of things you 353 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 2: get when the authorities are taken off balance. But if 354 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 2: the numbers don't keep increasing, you know, and they have 355 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 2: to increase pretty exponentially as they move in, you know, 356 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 2: federal agents in the National Guard and mobilize the whole 357 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 2: police force in a city like LA, then this situation 358 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 2: becomes basically impossible for protesters to regain the initiative. And 359 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 2: I don't know if i'd say it's impossible right now, 360 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 2: but unless there's some sort of like massive sea changes, 361 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 2: what's happening that does seem kind of like where things 362 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 2: are going to go. And to be clear, here we're 363 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 2: talking about primarily Compton Paramount some protests, and then downtown 364 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 2: Los Angeles some protests. There's a handful of city blocks 365 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 2: and one of the largest metro areas in the entire country. Yeah, 366 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 2: this is not Los Angeles all collapsed. 367 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, it's not like the rights to occurred 368 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 3: after Rudney. 369 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 2: King, right, right, right, not even a little bit. 370 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, no yet right like, yeah, I mean people are 371 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 3: pissed off obviously, like and maybe that you know, you'll 372 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 3: get that sort of thing you had important right where 373 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 3: more people came as the protest continued, and there's more 374 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 3: and more FEDS turned up, Like there were people who 375 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 3: might not have showed up at first just being like 376 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 3: upset at the presence of FEDS in this. I don't know, 377 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 3: but yeah, it seems like right now that their move 378 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 3: is to flood the city. I mean, crazy volumes of 379 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 3: cops shouting all the exits on the one ten today. Yeah, 380 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 3: National Guard, like the National Guide folks were mostly around 381 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 3: the Federal building from what I saw, but like just 382 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 3: a huge volume of cobs and no particular plan other 383 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 3: than a vast number of police and I guess you know, 384 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 3: massive detentions, massive use of right at munitions, massive use 385 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 3: of violence to dissuade protest. But then I've seen like 386 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 3: obviously it's interesting, right like, and I'm sure you've experienced this, Robert, 387 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 3: Like you can be like nose to the grindstone in 388 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 3: a conflict zone or at a protest and other clue 389 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 3: what's happening, and I have to go on a Twitter 390 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 3: or a Blue sky to work out what the fuck's 391 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 3: going on, right, you. 392 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 2: Can tell kind of what's happening in front of you, 393 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 2: and even then you sometimes see something or you're looking 394 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 2: left and the thing happens on the right, and you 395 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 2: get three different stories about what happened totally. 396 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 3: And so like, you know, you know, we found out 397 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 3: David Twist had been released when me I sent a 398 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 3: message saying that, like right, and then likewise, folks for 399 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 3: finding out that they're protests in other areas of the country, 400 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 3: which you know is always I think gives a little 401 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 3: morale boost. And yeah, so like there's a chance I'm 402 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 3: seeing more and more I sort of big protest in 403 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 3: New York tonight. They can't deploy the Marines everywhere. I mean, 404 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 3: right there there are a lot of marines, but not 405 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 3: that many. 406 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 1: I know. 407 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 3: It's in one sense, like and I know that this 408 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 3: is maybe a strange opinion or stance or what have you, 409 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 3: but like, in a sense, it gives me hope to 410 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 3: see these things like at a protest or you know, 411 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 3: like a big action like that, Like I always feel 412 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 3: kind of very cared for and in a strange way 413 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 3: because like the only thing that matters is taking care 414 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 3: of each other, right, and trying trying not to get hurt, 415 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 3: and then for folks who are in the street to 416 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 3: try and remain there, right, And like it's quite a 417 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 3: like you have this kind of disaster community, right, the 418 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 3: same thing that you sometimes find in conflict zones or 419 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 3: after natural disasters, and like, right, it's always beautiful to 420 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 3: see that, right, Like you know, I'm vegan and I 421 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 3: could not find any fucking vegan food for a while, 422 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 3: and like people were bringing me snacks and I thought 423 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 3: that was really sweet, and like, you know, I saw 424 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 3: people taking care of strangers when they got tear gass, 425 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 3: or taking care of strangers when they get shot, or 426 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 3: like just folks who have bought snacks and like wanted 427 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 3: to give them to one house people who were there, right. 428 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 3: So all that stuff is just a reminder that like 429 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 3: you know, like actually, you know, if you were consuming 430 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 3: this thorugh of fucking New York Times, right, you'd think 431 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 3: that people were looting and burning the city. And like, 432 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 3: I didn't see anyone to steal shit. I did see 433 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 3: people take care of one another. Yeah, and that's a 434 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 3: beautiful thing. And you know, maybe people need to be 435 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 3: in the streets to find one another right now, because 436 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 3: you know, every every year, people it gets harder to 437 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 3: go outside and easier to stay on the internet. 438 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 2: Right, people get more adomized. 439 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, and like it was cool to see like young 440 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 3: Mexican folks, young Salvadorean folks, uateateml and you know, people 441 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 3: have different extractions who are now Americans and in addition 442 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 3: obviously to their i think identities and backgrounds showing up 443 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,479 Speaker 3: and then like young black folks showing up with them 444 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 3: and being like yeah, you know, like fuck the police, 445 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 3: and like it was cool to see maybe folks who 446 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 3: are a little bit more liberal, like I definitely had 447 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 3: folks who are like, oh, we're not here for the riot. 448 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 3: We're just here for the peaceful protest in so much 449 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 3: as you know, and no one wants to get shot 450 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 3: in the face with a forty millimeter, right, no one. 451 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 2: No one's there to it, No, absolutely not. 452 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 3: And so it's cool to see those people making those connections. 453 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 3: And we need to make those connections now, right, We 454 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 3: need to talk to people and talk to each other. 455 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 3: I didn't see people beefing with each other. I didn't 456 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 3: really see the like optics police, right, if you were 457 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 3: again if you were consuming this on the fucking Blue Guy, 458 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 3: which can be intolerably libs sometimes, like seeing people being like, 459 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 3: you know, because I personally disagree with the optics of 460 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 3: this one person's decision, the whole protest is therefore flawed. Yeah, 461 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 3: the whole protest as fun and let's just let I 462 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 3: steal their fucking children. Like, yeah, people will let people 463 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 3: be and and deal with the consequences their own actions 464 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 3: instead of being condescending. 465 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 2: Now, and I mean, I'm looking at Twitter right now 466 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 2: where half of the comments are about someone who drove 467 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 2: through a crowd in LA and people either this is 468 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 2: what happens when America gets fed up? Or what other 469 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 2: option did he have? You know, you're getting a mix 470 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 2: of that sort of thing. Yeah, shit, are people okay? 471 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 2: Like I'm not aware of any like serious injuries or fatalities, certainly, 472 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 2: but yeah, yeah. 473 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 3: That was the other weird thing, Like vehicles throughout the 474 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 3: means LA everyone's driving all the time, but there were 475 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 3: vehicles like constantly just moving through. 476 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 2: Yep. 477 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's LA raising people coming out to do their 478 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 3: donuts stuff. But like it is a risk, like if 479 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 3: someone we've shared a cob bomb, bro, But yeah, oh yeah, 480 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 3: we sure did. I've seen a few car bombs. It 481 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 3: always freaks me out. We need a big crowd like that. 482 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 3: And then you've got these cars around like the potential 483 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 3: for vehicular violence. 484 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not great. 485 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 3: Yeah again, Right, we have the quote unquote public safety 486 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 3: forces deployed in massive numbers, and no one's no one's 487 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 3: stopping that. 488 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 2: No. And you know, also just a note to people, 489 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 2: the only realistic way to stop cars in this situation 490 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 2: is with a barrier made of other cars. Right, is 491 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 2: you block off the route of march with vehicles. There's 492 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 2: no other realistic tool at your disposal as somebody who's 493 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 2: a part of a protest to stop a full ass vehicle. 494 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 2: We're going to talk a little bit more with a 495 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 2: couple of updates from the ground and then close out. 496 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 2: But first here's our last but ads. 497 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: Oh not forgot. 498 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 2: Yes it's gonna be no not not not say no, 499 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 2: baby's gonna been taken away like not no. That's so 500 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 2: we're back in James. While you were leaving, the Mayor 501 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 2: of Los Angeles declared a curfew in place from eight 502 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 2: pm to six a m. For the one ten to 503 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 2: the west I five to the east. Uh yeah, one 504 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 2: ten to south, I five and one ten to north. 505 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 2: This is from the public safety alert texted out to 506 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 2: people in Los Angeles. So people are allowed to travel 507 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 2: to and from work, to seek or to give emergency care. 508 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 2: EMS people are exempt. No one else is exempt as 509 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 2: far as i'm a but yeah, that's that's the situation. 510 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 2: So part of why Mayor Karen bass Is issued a 511 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 2: curfew is that it gives the police extra kind of 512 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 2: freedom to take people into custody. Right yeah, Oh, credential 513 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 2: media are exempt. Yeah, that's what I was told. Yeah, 514 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 2: people to and from work, credential media, emergency and medical personnel, 515 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 2: law enforcement are the limited exemptions. So that's that's what 516 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 2: we've got going on right now. Yeah. 517 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 3: And if you are at there working as a journalists, 518 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 3: like it's important to carry your press pass right oh yeah, yeah, 519 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 3: we'll stop you from getting shot with impact munitions because 520 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 3: they've done that to a lot of people. 521 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. 522 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, And like you know, I had a large blue 523 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 3: press badge on my plate carrier like I always do, 524 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 3: and like, yeah, it's not doesn't. 525 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 2: Make you bulletproof. 526 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 3: Now, yeah, there's a curfew tonight, which, like you say, 527 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 3: just gives them the means to use more coercive force 528 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 3: and to charge people more harshly. They'll continue doing that 529 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 3: helicopter shit, right, They had probably four or five helicopters. 530 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 2: They really love putting them out in LA and especially 531 00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 2: now that they got the military. 532 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then it had a real kind of blade 533 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 3: run a vibe to be in this like dark city 534 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 3: at night with these helicopter circling spotlighting people from above, 535 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 3: and like little fires happening across the city and then 536 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 3: occasional clouds of like spicy air floating towards you. I 537 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 3: have seen some speculation that they were using some kind 538 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 3: of other chemical irritant instead of tear gas. I think 539 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 3: that the most likely explanation is just they were using 540 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 3: tear gas that was older. 541 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it tastes different when it's older. The shit the 542 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 2: FEDS US is often different from the shit state or 543 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 2: local police use, Like yeah, you know, you get different 544 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 2: sort of mixes. But I'm not aware, like it's I'm 545 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 2: certain it's just tear gas, right, Yeah, Yeah, I think 546 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 2: it's just a bit different. 547 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 3: Different variants in ages of tear gas, and sometimes they 548 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 3: take on different appearances too, and they weren't really fogging 549 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 3: the tear gas, not that I saw. They were just tossing, 550 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 3: tossing out the grenades. You didn't get that like wall 551 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 3: of tear gas that you guys are familiar with in Portland. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 552 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 3: but it took on like the protest effectic, Like I 553 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 3: didn't see as many people with half masks or hard 554 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 3: hats or goggles any event stuff. So like, yeah, and 555 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 3: in one sense, people it's it's great to see people 556 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 3: coming out and like engating their right to protest. Yeah, 557 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 3: and coming from where they are, as they are showing 558 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 3: up to show out for something. 559 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 2: Leaving work or whatever. Yeah, yeah, it makes me worried 560 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 2: for them. 561 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like you know, I'm there around the block a 562 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 3: few times, and I'm worried if people are going to 563 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 3: get fucked up. 564 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 2: So, yeah, it's curfew tonight. It's curfew tonight. There's still 565 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 2: marine numbers are still at around seven hundred. There's about 566 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 2: four thousand National Guard troops, so the number of military 567 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 2: deployed significantly outnumbers demonstrators at this point. Mayer care and 568 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 2: Bass has stated that or or sorry. The Pentagon has 569 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 2: stated that it's costing about one hundred and thirty four 570 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 2: million dollars this deployment, so esus man, Yeah, it's it's 571 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 2: it's like i'd say, it's it's not a pointless escalation. 572 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 2: The point of the escalation is that they want to 573 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 2: keep using the military, right, Yeah, definitely. 574 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and to sort of establish a precedent that domestic 575 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 3: unrest can be dealt with by the military, which, to 576 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 3: be clear, like by my reading, it's completely in contradiction 577 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 3: of the constitution. Yeah, but a lot of things that 578 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 3: are in constitution of the constitution happen, especially with policing 579 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 3: all the fucking time, right, Like, yeah, Like it is 580 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 3: important not to normalize this again, Like you don't have 581 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 3: to be like a blue head ANTIFA to be like 582 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 3: this is fucked up. And I think I definitely spoke 583 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 3: to a few people, like folks who have come out 584 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 3: of church and stuff and just like, yeah, we had 585 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 3: they had sent the Marines here, so we just came 586 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 3: on down because that's not okay, and that's good to see. Yeah, 587 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 3: And like those are conversations that people who are invested 588 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 3: in not living in a country where your first memorizes 589 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 3: don't matter anymore because you can get shot by an 590 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 3: eighteen year old marine who hasn't had the time to 591 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 3: really morally and ethically consider that decision. Yeah, like it's 592 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 3: important to have those talks with people now because like 593 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 3: it is very concerning. Yeah, you know, you and I 594 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 3: have attended a few civil wars. I don't want to 595 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 3: be like this country spinning towards civil wars that you know, 596 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 3: I think we have a long way from that. 597 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 2: I mean, when the President stands in front of a 598 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 2: bunch of enlisted men at Fort Bragg and talks about 599 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 2: how they're using the military to restore order to an 600 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 2: American city that's been invaded, there's no longer an argument 601 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 2: that those comparisons are an escalation or exaggeration, right, like yeah, hyperbolic, 602 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 2: like yeah, like we're in the ship right now, folks. 603 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, man, Like, show me a thing that Asad wouldn't 604 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 3: have said today, right, right, right? And what you don't 605 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 3: have is an actual insurrection going on. What you don't 606 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 3: have is anyone actually fighting the government. You have people 607 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 3: who are like angry and yelling and some folks who 608 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 3: throw through rocks. You do not have a militant uprising 609 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 3: against federal power. They're just kind of acting like it. Yeah, 610 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 3: like if you have an insurrection in this country. This 611 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 3: country has a shit ton of guns. You all know 612 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 3: if there's an insurrection, because people will be using them. 613 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 2: Like that's not happening. 614 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's young people in the street waving flags and 615 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 3: shouting and like saying fuck the police. Is a constitutionally 616 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 3: protected right in this country, Like, yes it is. You 617 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 3: should not get hurt for exercising your first amendment right right, Yeah, man, 618 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 3: Like I'm I'm proud of all those people who showed up. 619 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 3: I'm proud of them for taking care of each other. Yeah, 620 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 3: And I hope that they they stay there, and I 621 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 3: hope that they you know, as they stay there, they 622 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 3: become more more astute. 623 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, they learned some stuff. 624 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 3: I saw a lot of running two hundred yards away 625 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 3: from the cops in a very straight line, straight down 626 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:43,479 Speaker 3: a straight street. 627 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, which is not not the move right, Like 628 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 2: you want to be? You want to be. I'm up, 629 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 2: he sees me, I'm down. Yeah. Serpentine, serpentine, you do 630 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 2: the worm, That's that's how you get him. Yeah. There 631 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 2: is some polling out early polling. This is from g 632 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 2: Elliot Morris, formerly of five point thirty eight but conducted 633 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 2: June tenth by you Gov of four thy three hundred 634 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 2: and nine adults. Do you approve a disapprove of deploying 635 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 2: National Guard soldiers to the Los Angeles area to respond 636 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 2: to protests over the federal government's immigration enforcement Thirty eight 637 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 2: percent of food approved, forty five percent disapprove, and nineteen 638 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 2: percent are not sure. Do you approve or disapprove of 639 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 2: deploying marines to the Los Angeles area? Thirty four percent approve, 640 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 2: forty seven percent disapprove, nineteen percent not sure. So you know, 641 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 2: these aren't popular measures, although they're also not as unpopular 642 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 2: as you would hope. 643 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's not great. I'd like to see you more. 644 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, you got Tom Cotton doing is for 645 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 3: getting to Wall Street. You're on the Washington postped right, 646 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 3: sent in the troops for real? 647 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 2: This time? Was that? I thought that was the times 648 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 2: time I think I forget exactly. 649 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, somewhat indistinguishable these days quickly in net OpEd pages, 650 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 3: you're right, robate was at times No, No, that's a 651 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 3: twenty twenty OpEd twenty five op edwards in the Wall 652 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 3: Streets Choir, he. 653 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 2: Got a new one. 654 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, he wrote in twenty twenty rubber he wrote 655 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 3: send in the Troops. In twenty twenty five, he wrote 656 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 3: send in the troops Comma for. 657 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 2: Real, for real? Okay, Well he got it, yep, Yeah, 658 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 2: I mean he got what he wanted. Well done. 659 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 3: Ranger Tom, guy who lied about being an army ranger. 660 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 2: Yes, not a ranger, Tom, Yeah, not a ranger Tom. Yeah. 661 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 3: I mean you see this in the UK a lot. 662 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 3: I'm very familiar with this kind of also the powers. Yeah, 663 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 3: maybe that's a good place for us to end. If 664 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 3: you were in the US military or the National Guard, 665 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 3: if you were someone you love is in the military 666 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 3: of the National Guard. Now it's a good time to 667 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 3: read up about Bloody Sunday, Yeah, happened in Ireland. And 668 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 3: now is a good time to look at what's currently happening, 669 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 3: what has been happening to those soldiers, because it took 670 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 3: a long time for those people to stand trial. And 671 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 3: it's not officers who were standing trial, right, it's soldiers. 672 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 3: It's paratroopers in this case, because those are always going 673 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 3: to be the fingers on the trigger, right. Yeah, And 674 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 3: so you know, no one, no one knows which direction 675 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 3: history is moving in. But like things don't feel morally right. 676 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 3: You know, there are things that the DII writes hotline, 677 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 3: but I think people should be aware what happens when 678 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 3: countries use their militaries to oppress protest and what has 679 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 3: happened to some of the soldiers who have been ordered 680 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 3: to do that. 681 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, well look up Bloody Sunday, folks. Maybe we'll cover 682 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 2: that in the not too distant future, because yeah, that's 683 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 2: just going to get more relevant. Don't listen to you 684 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 2: two if you can avoid it, but just look it up. Yeah, 685 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 2: avoid you two, not the song Sunday or Bloody Sunday. 686 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 2: But yeah, all right, everybody, Well this has been It 687 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,439 Speaker 2: Could Happen here. We will be back tomorrow. We'll see 688 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 2: if Gavin Newsom has been arrested yet. All right, thanks James, Yeah, 689 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,760 Speaker 2: thanks for that's an episode by. 690 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,720 Speaker 1: It Could Happen Here is a production of cool Zone Media. 691 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 692 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: Coolzonmedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 693 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. 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