WEBVTT - The Hindenburg Disaster

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck and Jerry's here too, and this is Stuff you

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<v Speaker 2>should Know. This is one of those ones, Chuck, that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really surprised we haven't done already.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. And actually, boy, talk about a segway.

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<v Speaker 1>This is about the transatlantic voyage of the Hindenburg. But

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<v Speaker 1>before we get into that quickly, we want to remind everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>including the stuff they don't want you to know. Guys

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a five night voyage.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right October two through seven, from New York City

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<v Speaker 1>to Bermuda. Like I said, this is through Virgin so

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<v Speaker 1>that means it is a kid free luxury experience. And

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<v Speaker 1>there's also gonna be interactive sessions. The you're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>what that is.

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<v Speaker 2>I also saw it described as a culture soaked escape

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<v Speaker 2>where pink sand paradise meets curious minds. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>anything else needs to be said besides that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, you get it, folks. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>to come hang out on a very large boat with

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<v Speaker 1>us in the middle of the ocean and here us

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<v Speaker 1>do our live podcast along with other things, then this

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be our only chance to ever do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very nice. You can go to virgin Voyages dot

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<v Speaker 2>com slash stuff in October. Cool. I don't know that

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<v Speaker 2>this was the best episode to put that in, but

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<v Speaker 2>we did what we did.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, well, it's not like it's the Titanic episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's a great great Yeah, that's a good point

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<v Speaker 2>that would have been.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be bad, really, because we're taking through the

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<v Speaker 1>skies now talking about what happened on May six, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty seven, when the Hindenburg dirigible crashed burst into flames

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<v Speaker 1>over Lakehurst, New Jersey. And I am also surprised you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't covered this. This is you know, I didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>know much about it. I knew the Hindenburg crash, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'd seen the footage and heard the stuff the commentary,

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<v Speaker 1>but I was like, yeah, man, that they built that

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<v Speaker 1>thing and they tried it out and it crashed. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know that they had successfully flown this stuff a bunch,

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<v Speaker 1>and that there were even worse airship disasters than this.

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<v Speaker 1>This is just the most well known. For reasons we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get into.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was pretty shocking to see, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>really well documented. But yeah, I think including.

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<v Speaker 1>Me, never mind, there it is what those are the reasons?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, but including me though, Chuck, I thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was the maiden voyage too. I didn't realize it was

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<v Speaker 2>just part of a larger thing either. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>the Hindenburg itself had already been on a three day

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<v Speaker 2>publicity tour and a round trip to Buenos Aires and

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<v Speaker 2>back from Germany before the unfortunate incident happened in New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it had flown a bunch.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So let's talk about this. Because the Hindenburg was

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<v Speaker 2>known as an airship, which was also known as a dirigible,

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<v Speaker 2>which you mentioned a second ago, and there's actually specific

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<v Speaker 2>criteria to be a dirigible, and the Hindenburg just checked

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<v Speaker 2>all the boxes.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Dirigible means it is powered, so it's not

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<v Speaker 1>just floating around if they're like a hot air balloon.

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<v Speaker 1>But hot air balloons and dirigibles are the same things

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<v Speaker 1>as far as being lifted by what's known as LTA

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<v Speaker 1>gas lighter than air gas in this case. In this

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<v Speaker 1>case we're talking hydrogen, but also helium was almost used

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<v Speaker 1>and now it's pretty much exclusively used. Yeah, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it means it's steerable as well, so you can you

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<v Speaker 1>can tell it to go in a certain direction, tell

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<v Speaker 1>it by way of working the rudder and powering those

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<v Speaker 1>engines and it'll go in that direction.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm. All you have to do is shout dirigible,

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<v Speaker 2>go there and it goes.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. I didn't know that it was actually an It

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<v Speaker 1>can be an adjective as well.

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<v Speaker 2>For steerable, dirigible and steerable. So like this car is

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<v Speaker 2>highly dirigible because it's got great responsiveness.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Just try using that word like that though, and

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<v Speaker 1>see if you don't get pushed back.

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<v Speaker 2>I would think there have to be an auto journalist

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<v Speaker 2>who's used it here there because they're just so sick

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<v Speaker 2>of using the same terms, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like Current Driver magazine, like the snooty writers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly. So there's three forms that argiles come in, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 2>and it basically all has to do with how the

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<v Speaker 2>structured the blimp part is well structured. I guess the

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<v Speaker 2>B word. Yeah, I know you're not really supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>say that, but it's true. I mean, I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty accessible to say blimp.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, yeah, we got you know, the Eastlake Golf

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<v Speaker 1>tournament is right near my house and so when we're

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<v Speaker 1>hanging out at the house during the tournament, oftentimes that

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<v Speaker 1>Goodyear Blimp is directly over my home. It's very cool

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<v Speaker 1>to see.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't you say you're trying to angle for a ride

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<v Speaker 2>in the Goodyear Blimp and that you're in laws have

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<v Speaker 2>ridden in the Goodyear Blimp at our Akron show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I have never done that. You know, obviously Akron

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<v Speaker 1>is the home of Goodyear, and I think the blimp

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<v Speaker 1>still and my father in law Steve has at one

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<v Speaker 1>point road in that Goodyear blimp, but I have never

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<v Speaker 1>done it. So if anyone can take me up, and

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<v Speaker 1>you I mean you're invited, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, Oh sure, sure, I assume that if you're interested.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I am or not. My dad

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<v Speaker 2>went on a hot air balloon ride and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not getting in that thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean after reading this, I mean, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>different deal now, but it definitely gives pause.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So let's get back to what the balloon like

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<v Speaker 2>envelope aka the blimp part. How that describes what type

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<v Speaker 2>of dirigibles are. There's three of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah. There's non rigid, semi rigid, and rigid. Non

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<v Speaker 1>rigid is more like a high air balloon. That means

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<v Speaker 1>there's no structure on the inside and it's just the

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<v Speaker 1>pressure of that gas keeping everything puffed out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and hot air balloons are what make New Mexico's

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<v Speaker 2>license plates so nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I agreed.

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<v Speaker 2>Semi rigid is kind of like non rigid, except there's

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<v Speaker 2>like a keel. There's like a structure for the keel,

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<v Speaker 2>the part that runs along the bottom of the envelope. Right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so there is some structure to essentially the bottom, but

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<v Speaker 2>then I guess it flops over, so it's basically like

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<v Speaker 2>a chef's hat. Like the sweetest chef's hate. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>it flies right, and then Rigid is the last one.

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<v Speaker 2>There's like a skeleton like frame, usually of a really

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<v Speaker 2>light but strong material, maybe aluminum. You sent a YouTube

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<v Speaker 2>of colorized photos of the Hindenburg, the interior in particular,

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<v Speaker 2>and they said that its skeleton was made of dure illumine.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever heard of that before?

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<v Speaker 1>I had never heard of it, so of course I

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<v Speaker 1>had to look it up. I'm sure you did too.

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<v Speaker 1>That's an aluminum copper alloy, right, that's as strong as

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<v Speaker 1>soft steel whatever that is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know what that is either, but if

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<v Speaker 2>it's not exactly what it sounds like, then somebody messed

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<v Speaker 2>up naming.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot lighter than soft steel, obviously, and in

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<v Speaker 1>the case of the Hindenburg, and I learned this all

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<v Speaker 1>from that YouTube video. It's pretty cool to see those

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<v Speaker 1>pictures as well. Yeah, there are fifteen, as they described them,

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<v Speaker 1>ferris wheel like rings that gave this thing the shape,

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<v Speaker 1>and between those rings, and this is something I didn't know,

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<v Speaker 1>there were sixteen separate balloons between those rings. And that

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing was covered with Goodyear latex and then a

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<v Speaker 1>cotton like canvas fabric outer shell.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so the outer skin the envelope was not what

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<v Speaker 2>the gas was filled in, like it was in these

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<v Speaker 2>basically bladders inside the envelope, right, yeah, yeah, how many

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<v Speaker 2>were there? Like fourteen?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess then, I think sixteen balloons. We al should

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<v Speaker 1>mention that cotton canvas fabric was coated with their protective

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<v Speaker 1>coating because that'll come into play.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it kept the sun off essentially so that the

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<v Speaker 2>sun wouldn't heat the gas inside and so that the

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<v Speaker 2>UV rays wouldn't break it down into useless I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what you'd break hydrogen down into. I guess ions.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>So the other thing about the rigid one, and I

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<v Speaker 2>had no idea about this either, is that the the

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<v Speaker 2>passengers and crew usually are inside that envelope, inside the blimp.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you look at the Hindenburg, there's like a

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<v Speaker 2>little you know, what's called the gondola attached to the

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<v Speaker 2>bottom of it, and that seems to be I think

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<v Speaker 2>the cockpit where if you were a passenger and you

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<v Speaker 2>were hanging out in the Hindenburg, you were inside that blimp.

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<v Speaker 2>I had no idea about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you, Yeah? I did, because like where else would

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<v Speaker 1>they be because I mean, once you find out that

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<v Speaker 1>there are like twenty five cabins and a bar and

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<v Speaker 1>a restaurant and all that stuff, it's obviously not going

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<v Speaker 1>to fit. I mean, you know, you could hang out there.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, I think they encouraged the passengers to hang

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<v Speaker 1>out in those two that double decked area because that's

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<v Speaker 1>where all the windows were, right. But I also learned

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<v Speaker 1>that from watching the trailer to the Hindenburg movie when

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<v Speaker 1>it showed a lot of action inside that shell.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, gotcha. So I just thought that the gondola was

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<v Speaker 2>just that dwarfed by the blimp itself and that it

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<v Speaker 2>held all that stuff. I had no idea they were

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<v Speaker 2>inside the blimp. I find that much more claustrophobic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. And I could see how you would

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<v Speaker 1>think that because once you get a little bit and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about the size of this thing, but you

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<v Speaker 1>need not only look at pictures of the Hindenburg flying

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<v Speaker 1>over New York City to see how gargantuan this thing was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was enormous. So that good Year blimp, it depends

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<v Speaker 2>on which one you're talking about. I've seen that the

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<v Speaker 2>Hindenburg was more than eight hundred feet long, almost as

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<v Speaker 2>long as the Titanic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how does it compare to the seven forty seven?

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<v Speaker 1>Where is that?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's like three times as long as the

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<v Speaker 2>seven forty seven and twice as tall.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, seriously, Like go look up just type in like

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<v Speaker 1>Hindenburg over New York City and it's the scale is

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<v Speaker 1>really kind of it drives at home for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was really It's really impressive. One of the

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<v Speaker 2>other things I saw, too, is that it had a

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<v Speaker 2>gas capacity. So of the hydrogen it held of seven million,

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<v Speaker 2>sixty two thousand cubic feet of highydrogen gas. And to

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<v Speaker 2>put that in perspective, that's the gas equivalent of seven

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<v Speaker 2>sixty two thousand and one cubic foot bags of top

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<v Speaker 2>soil that you get at the Garden Center. That's how

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<v Speaker 2>much hydrogen gas it held.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot of gas, and you know, of course

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<v Speaker 1>that's what keeps it aloft. As far as those engines,

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<v Speaker 1>it had four diesel engines, and it moved pretty quick.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean as far as travel of the day. It

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<v Speaker 1>could get across the Atlantic in two days. Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>fastest ocean line aer trip took five and it's still

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<v Speaker 1>it had the sister ship the LZ one thirty. There

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<v Speaker 1>are still the two largest aircrafts to ever take flight

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<v Speaker 1>off the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so this was a pretty impressive ship for anybody,

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<v Speaker 2>but it also was not like the first of its kind.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the point that they had reached in the

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<v Speaker 2>development of dirigibles up to that point, which had really

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<v Speaker 2>been kind of going for almost one hundred years at

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<v Speaker 2>that point. I think it was in eighteen fifty when

0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:05.800
<v Speaker 2>the whole dirgible craze kicked off in Paris, thanks to

0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:07.560
<v Speaker 2>our friend Pierre Julienne.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's right. That was the first one. I think

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<v Speaker 1>was in eighteen yeah fifty, Like you said, the next

0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:18.720
<v Speaker 1>one and that seemed more like a little like, hey, everybody,

0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:21.880
<v Speaker 1>check this thing out. In eighteen fifty two you got

0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.960
<v Speaker 1>the first full size one. Thanks. It was really the

0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:28.280
<v Speaker 1>French and Germans leading this charge was a French engineer

0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:33.080
<v Speaker 1>named Jules Auri Gifar one hundred and forty three feet

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<v Speaker 1>pretty big.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, cant and sneeze at that. He also traveled seventeen

0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:43.640
<v Speaker 2>miles around in his first flight of his airship, which

0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:46.480
<v Speaker 2>is again nothing to sneeze that. He was puttering around

0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:47.079
<v Speaker 2>a six.

0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Miles an hour literally around right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, in circles essential. The first few airships just

0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:57.600
<v Speaker 2>basically traveled in circles. The next one was eighteen eighty four.

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<v Speaker 2>This is considered the first round trip light. I'm not

0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:03.440
<v Speaker 2>sure what Giffard was doing, but the French Army Corps

0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:07.199
<v Speaker 2>of Engineers like thirty years later took their dirigible in

0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:10.000
<v Speaker 2>a round trip flight, again a circle, but this one

0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:12.640
<v Speaker 2>was just four to five miles and it had a

0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:17.480
<v Speaker 2>nine horsepower motor and that is the same size motor

0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:21.080
<v Speaker 2>of a really good push mower, lawn mower.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean, you know, you're up there in the sky,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're you don't have to give it a lot

0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:29.320
<v Speaker 1>to get it going. And again they're not going very fast,

0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:32.839
<v Speaker 1>six to ten miles an hour. All of these so

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<v Speaker 1>far have been non rigid. By the way, the first

0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:39.319
<v Speaker 1>rigid win came in eighteen ninety nine courtesy of Count

0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:44.120
<v Speaker 1>Ferdinand von Zeppelin. That's where that word and eventual band

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<v Speaker 1>name would come from.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. Zeppelin basically became the leader in developing, designing

0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:54.720
<v Speaker 2>and developing airships dirigibles at a time when it was

0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:57.720
<v Speaker 2>like this is the new thing, Like if you wanted

0:13:57.720 --> 0:13:59.560
<v Speaker 2>to get from one continent to another you took a

0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:02.000
<v Speaker 2>log liner, Like you said, they were kind of slow.

0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:06.280
<v Speaker 2>Zeppelins could go way faster, and it was like that

0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:11.120
<v Speaker 2>the promise of airship travel was just limitless at this

0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:12.960
<v Speaker 2>time when Zeppelin came along.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. And as far as the band, I

0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:17.480
<v Speaker 1>can't remember who said it, this is off the dome,

0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:21.360
<v Speaker 1>but somebody said something about them going over. They would

0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:24.760
<v Speaker 1>go over like a led Zeppelin. Yeah, obviously that's a

0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:28.480
<v Speaker 1>two contradictory terms. Sure, and that's what they meant. They're

0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:31.040
<v Speaker 1>being sort of a cheeky and of course you know

0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:33.400
<v Speaker 1>it was. The Hindenburg was on the cover of their

0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:34.880
<v Speaker 1>first record, of their debut album.

0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:39.000
<v Speaker 2>One other thing, I looked up the el Z in

0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:42.000
<v Speaker 2>any of the Zeppelins, So like the first rigid airship

0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:46.000
<v Speaker 2>was called el Z one and you mentioned no, I

0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:49.880
<v Speaker 2>thought probably it was, Yeah, but it's a looft shift

0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:55.040
<v Speaker 2>or airship in German. So airship Zeppelin one was the

0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:59.040
<v Speaker 2>first rigid airship. The sister ship of the Hindenburg was

0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:04.400
<v Speaker 2>ELZ one third. Yeah, that's right. So yes, I think,

0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:08.120
<v Speaker 2>as a rule of thumb, anytime you're taking advantage of

0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:11.960
<v Speaker 2>a new technology that carries you away from Earth or

0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:15.840
<v Speaker 2>carries you long earth that really fast speeds do not

0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:19.040
<v Speaker 2>go in any models that are still in the single digits.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just a good rule of thumb, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So if the new plane comes out and

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<v Speaker 1>it's the oh, I don't know, Airmax seven.

0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.760
<v Speaker 2>Just wait until he get the ten. They're gonna get

0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:34.000
<v Speaker 2>there fast because those next three are not going to

0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:35.120
<v Speaker 2>stay around very long.

0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:38.920
<v Speaker 1>You're right, that's good advice. So nineteen ten was the

0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:43.160
<v Speaker 1>first commercial passenger flight. This baby went I think it

0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:46.720
<v Speaker 1>carried twenty three people plus nine crew on a sight

0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:52.440
<v Speaker 1>seeing loop yep. But it crashed. No casualties, no, get this.

0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:56.680
<v Speaker 2>So this was LZ seven, still single digits. Yeah, ran

0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:59.760
<v Speaker 2>out of fuel, was blown off course and it had

0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:03.200
<v Speaker 2>in in trouble and it crashed into some trees. But

0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:08.760
<v Speaker 2>the fact that nobody died is pretty well happy, I guess.

0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:12.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Eighteen years later we got our first transatlantic flight,

0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:14.960
<v Speaker 1>and this is what they were gunning for. This thing

0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:18.000
<v Speaker 1>went from Germany to where the Hindenburg would go, Lakehurst,

0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:21.880
<v Speaker 1>New Jersey. It's sort of a suburban Philadelphia like east

0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:25.080
<v Speaker 1>of Philly. Okay, one hundred and eleven hours and forty

0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:27.880
<v Speaker 1>four minutes. But this is what they were, you know,

0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:32.280
<v Speaker 1>they were looking for, you know, the next wave of

0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:35.720
<v Speaker 1>like taking people. It wasn't just like wowser stuff or hey,

0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:38.280
<v Speaker 1>like we tried it once. They were like really trying

0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:40.120
<v Speaker 1>to compete with ocean liner travel.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I say we take a break and we come

0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:43.800
<v Speaker 2>back and get into that a little more. How about that?

0:16:44.320 --> 0:17:08.159
<v Speaker 2>All right, We'll be right okay, Chuck. So, like you

0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:13.879
<v Speaker 2>were saying, before the break, the zeppelin development had gotten

0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:16.000
<v Speaker 2>to the point where it's like, we can get across

0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:18.400
<v Speaker 2>the Atlantic, we can get down to South America anytime

0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:23.600
<v Speaker 2>we want, Like, no problem, We've reached that point. Let's

0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:29.520
<v Speaker 2>just start creating dirigibles that are meant for transatlantic travel. Like,

0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:34.280
<v Speaker 2>let's really put a dent in the ocean liner industry.

0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:37.199
<v Speaker 2>We're just going to create a new travel industry. And

0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:41.199
<v Speaker 2>that's what they said about doing so. The the Hindenburg

0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:47.760
<v Speaker 2>LZ one was the part of this larger planned fleet

0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:55.440
<v Speaker 2>of specifically transatlantic luxury zeppelins that we're going to essentially

0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:57.560
<v Speaker 2>change the world and make it much smaller.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, it was you know, it was luxury

0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:05.600
<v Speaker 1>in the sense that it was an airship that catered

0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:08.800
<v Speaker 1>to rich people. If you look at the pictures, it

0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.520
<v Speaker 1>looks nice, but it's it's still not like anything you

0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:13.840
<v Speaker 1>would get on board, like the Titanic or anything like that,

0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.359
<v Speaker 1>just because it was an airship, so they couldn't. You know,

0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:19.439
<v Speaker 1>there are obvious weight limitations and size limitations, like the

0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:22.840
<v Speaker 1>cabins were really really small, but they you know, they

0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:27.080
<v Speaker 1>were they were good, good looking enough for the for

0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:29.040
<v Speaker 1>the crowd that they were catering to, which is really

0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:33.080
<v Speaker 1>rich people. Because I think it costs, like in today

0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:36.080
<v Speaker 1>dollars like ten thousand dollars compared to about half that

0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.000
<v Speaker 1>for an ocean liner transatlantic ocean liner voyage.

0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, those are one way too, not like our voyage

0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:43.600
<v Speaker 2>in October, which is round trip.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. They're bringing us back right, yeah, Okay.

0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:49.520
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna leave us stranded in Bermuda.

0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:51.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean they could drop us in Atlanta on the

0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:53.000
<v Speaker 1>way home. I would think, oh, that's.

0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:56.800
<v Speaker 2>A great idea, that's a wonderful idea. Choke, we'll ask, okay,

0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:00.399
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I mean there, it was expense but it

0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:03.200
<v Speaker 2>was also very new, right, so you can imagine, I mean,

0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:05.960
<v Speaker 2>luxury ocean liners have been doing this for a very

0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:08.960
<v Speaker 2>long time. By the time they reached that cost of

0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:12.119
<v Speaker 2>about five thousand dollars for a luxury liner. So you

0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:15.240
<v Speaker 2>can imagine that, like the Zeppelin Company had their eye

0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:17.760
<v Speaker 2>on bringing costs down eventually so that more people could

0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:21.360
<v Speaker 2>afford it. Yeah, but in the meantime to start, I mean,

0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:24.040
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of what you do. You attract everyone's attention

0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:29.000
<v Speaker 2>by getting the richest, most famous, most powerful people that

0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:32.520
<v Speaker 2>come fly on your friendly skies, and then newspapers write

0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:34.560
<v Speaker 2>about it like, oh my gosh, did you see Missus

0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:38.159
<v Speaker 2>Astor eight hundred feet up hanging from the outside of

0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:40.520
<v Speaker 2>the Hindenburg. It was amazing. You could see Rode up

0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:44.520
<v Speaker 2>or dress. That's what newspapers want to write about, you know,

0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:45.760
<v Speaker 2>And so that's what they were doing.

0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:49.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and today Missus Astor's equivalent, I guess is Katy Perry.

0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:54.800
<v Speaker 1>That's exactly right, Chuck, what a time delive.

0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:55.560
<v Speaker 2>That was amazing.

0:19:56.800 --> 0:20:00.400
<v Speaker 1>So I mentioned hydrogen and helium as the LTA lighter

0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:03.359
<v Speaker 1>than air gases used to power anything like this. And

0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:05.359
<v Speaker 1>they had a real decision to make early on with

0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:10.440
<v Speaker 1>the Hindenburg, like what to use, and the original design

0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:14.879
<v Speaker 1>was hydrogen, but then they said there was a crash

0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:17.280
<v Speaker 1>of in nineteen thirty of the British airship R one

0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:21.040
<v Speaker 1>oh one out of the single digits YEP still crashed,

0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:25.560
<v Speaker 1>survived impact, but everybody died in the hydrogen fire because

0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:31.040
<v Speaker 1>hydrogen turns out superflammable. So Hugo. Eckner said, you know what,

0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:34.960
<v Speaker 1>let's go to helium. It's way more stable. It's a

0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:37.240
<v Speaker 1>little bit heavier, so we're going to have to design

0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:40.560
<v Speaker 1>a larger envelope so we can keep that same payload.

0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:44.320
<v Speaker 1>But then there was a US helium embargo and the

0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:48.320
<v Speaker 1>United States was the only maker and cellar of helium

0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:50.840
<v Speaker 1>at the time, and so they said, all right, you

0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:52.879
<v Speaker 1>know what, let's go back to hydrogen and let's just

0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:54.000
<v Speaker 1>cross our fingers.

0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:57.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there was a Helium Act of nineteen twenty five

0:20:57.280 --> 0:20:58.960
<v Speaker 2>that I never heard of that the US is like,

0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:01.080
<v Speaker 2>this is a natural research that we really need, so

0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:02.720
<v Speaker 2>we're just going to keep it all to ourselves.

0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:05.240
<v Speaker 1>And we see a podcast on that at some point

0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:08.719
<v Speaker 1>right on helium.

0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:10.840
<v Speaker 2>No, we've definitely talked about it because there was a

0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:13.760
<v Speaker 2>shortage and it was all everybody was really worried about

0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:15.520
<v Speaker 2>it growing away, and then all of a sudden we

0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:18.000
<v Speaker 2>found a huge new vein of it in the United

0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:21.199
<v Speaker 2>States and now there's no problem with helium anymore. Stuff

0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:23.840
<v Speaker 2>like that makes me feel like we're definitely in a

0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:27.879
<v Speaker 2>simulation sometimes, you know, Yeah, it happens a lot like

0:21:27.920 --> 0:21:30.280
<v Speaker 2>people are like, oh, we're hitting peak oil or you know,

0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:31.879
<v Speaker 2>like we're going to run out of helium and all

0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:34.720
<v Speaker 2>this horrible stuf's going to happen, and then nothing happens,

0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:37.239
<v Speaker 2>Like something comes along and just completely does away with

0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:38.240
<v Speaker 2>that randomly.

0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:42.800
<v Speaker 2>At any rate, that was not the case for the

0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:45.639
<v Speaker 2>designers of the Hindenburg. They had to go with hydrogen,

0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:48.360
<v Speaker 2>like you said, and because they had made that envelope

0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:51.879
<v Speaker 2>so much bigger to accommodate the more helium that they

0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:53.520
<v Speaker 2>were going to need, they were going to now have

0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:55.560
<v Speaker 2>to fill the whole thing with hydrogen. So they added

0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:59.119
<v Speaker 2>a bunch more passenger cabins to basically, we'll make more money,

0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:03.119
<v Speaker 2>but also to make it heavier so that it would

0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:05.159
<v Speaker 2>do all the same things it would have had a

0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:06.120
<v Speaker 2>been helium.

0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it wouldn't float away. Pretty much, pretty much,

0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:12.480
<v Speaker 1>we went over some of the sizes. I think we

0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:16.080
<v Speaker 1>should probably mention the cruising speed with seventy six miles

0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:20.560
<v Speaker 1>an hour with a topper of eighty four miles per hour. Yeah,

0:22:21.680 --> 0:22:25.720
<v Speaker 1>and total you've got about forty flight crew, ten to

0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:28.240
<v Speaker 1>twelve stewards and cooks. As we'll learn there was a

0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:33.480
<v Speaker 1>bartender as well, and then fifty passengers in thirty six

0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:36.159
<v Speaker 1>and then up to seventy two I guess because they

0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:37.440
<v Speaker 1>built those extra cabins.

0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:41.080
<v Speaker 2>Right right, right, And that was nineteen thirty seven season,

0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:43.760
<v Speaker 2>and I think nineteen thirty six was the only complete

0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:47.399
<v Speaker 2>season in the Hindenburg service. One other thing that I

0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:48.760
<v Speaker 2>was trying to get to the bottom of that was

0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:52.840
<v Speaker 2>surprisingly hard to find was its cruising altitude. Now, yeah,

0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:56.680
<v Speaker 2>apparently it's usual cruising altitude or normal cruising out sude

0:22:56.680 --> 0:22:59.040
<v Speaker 2>was like six hundred and fifty feet or about two hundred.

0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:00.280
<v Speaker 1>Meters man's press.

0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:03.119
<v Speaker 2>It is impressive, but they would usually fly lower to

0:23:03.160 --> 0:23:06.840
<v Speaker 2>basically fly under clouds rather than through or over them.

0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:10.840
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I mean these things I saw somebody say,

0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:13.040
<v Speaker 2>like these are they were flying at the height of like,

0:23:13.160 --> 0:23:16.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, the tallest trees in the world, Like it,

0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:18.920
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't that high up that they were flying.

0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:22.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean also, and I don't know if that

0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:24.240
<v Speaker 1>anything to do with it, but you want people to

0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:26.680
<v Speaker 1>see this thing if they're trying to draw them up business. Sure,

0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:29.520
<v Speaker 1>and again those pictures over New York City, that thing

0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:30.280
<v Speaker 1>is pretty low.

0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:33.800
<v Speaker 2>It is like like kind of concerningly low. Actually.

0:23:33.880 --> 0:23:34.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:23:34.720 --> 0:23:37.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so Chuck, just a little more about what it

0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:40.119
<v Speaker 2>looked like inside and what it was, you know, like

0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:43.480
<v Speaker 2>aboard the Hindenburger. Remember these were luxury, like, state of

0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:47.240
<v Speaker 2>the art luxury accommodations in the mid nineteen thirties, but

0:23:47.760 --> 0:23:51.160
<v Speaker 2>they also had to adjust for weight and stuff like that.

0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Like you were saying, it seemed like there was formica everywhere,

0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:56.680
<v Speaker 2>Like it looked like the walls were made of formica even.

0:23:57.240 --> 0:24:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, totally a lot of formica, but that that jibe

0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:01.920
<v Speaker 1>a little bit with sort of the art deco look

0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:04.000
<v Speaker 1>that seemed like it ran throughout.

0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:08.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. For sure, they dressed for dinner like you would think.

0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:12.639
<v Speaker 2>There was an illuminum piano made specifically because a baby

0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Grand would just be too heavy. Yeah, and they had,

0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:22.480
<v Speaker 2>of course incredible meals in this incredibly cramped dining room. Yeah.

0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:24.320
<v Speaker 2>And then there was a smoking room, which at first

0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:26.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, well, of course there's a smoking room, it's

0:24:26.119 --> 0:24:29.560
<v Speaker 2>the thirties. And then I was like, hydrogen dirigible that

0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:31.240
<v Speaker 2>is actually pretty remarkable.

0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:35.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it had a double air lock. Apparently there was

0:24:35.560 --> 0:24:37.719
<v Speaker 1>one lighter, so they didn't trust people to, you know,

0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:40.400
<v Speaker 1>just to bring their own lighters, so there was one

0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:43.840
<v Speaker 1>lighter that would light everyone's cigarettes I guess or whatever else.

0:24:43.880 --> 0:24:48.080
<v Speaker 1>They were smoking pipes I imagine cigars, blunts. Who knows

0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:52.680
<v Speaker 1>the bartender was. I can't remember the guy's name, but

0:24:52.680 --> 0:24:54.439
<v Speaker 1>they talked about him in the YouTube video and he

0:24:54.480 --> 0:24:57.520
<v Speaker 1>seemed to be a pretty popular guy. And there's one

0:24:57.600 --> 0:25:01.960
<v Speaker 1>story of a famous passenger who creates a drink or

0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:07.000
<v Speaker 1>I guess rather his wife did. British author Leslie Charteris,

0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:11.399
<v Speaker 1>who created the Saint Yeah franchise, His wife Pauline was

0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:15.919
<v Speaker 1>a bored and apparently they ran out of gin, like

0:25:16.119 --> 0:25:19.120
<v Speaker 1>probably pretty fast, a lot of gin based drinks back then.

0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:24.679
<v Speaker 1>So she created a martini made from kishpasser which I

0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:26.480
<v Speaker 1>looked up, which is like a some sort of a

0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:27.240
<v Speaker 1>cherry thing.

0:25:27.520 --> 0:25:29.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like a cherry brandy. It's really good.

0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh you've had it?

0:25:32.280 --> 0:25:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah? Yeah, remember when I was like super into

0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:37.000
<v Speaker 2>making cocktails.

0:25:37.240 --> 0:25:40.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I've used like the cherry, like the

0:25:40.960 --> 0:25:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Lexardo liqueur and stuff. Is it sort of like that.

0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:46.880
<v Speaker 2>No, it's much lighter and it's not nearly a syrupy

0:25:46.960 --> 0:25:50.120
<v Speaker 2>and heavy. It's more of a spirit than like a syrup,

0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:50.760
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean.

0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:55.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, because the yeah lxardo is a liqueur, but

0:25:55.480 --> 0:25:58.840
<v Speaker 1>the other one is like a legit ninny proof you

0:25:58.880 --> 0:25:59.639
<v Speaker 1>know kind of thing.

0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:02.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, where you're like who, But it's it is very

0:26:02.800 --> 0:26:05.359
<v Speaker 2>good and it's it's like a cherry flavor. So she

0:26:05.600 --> 0:26:10.000
<v Speaker 2>used that instead of gin, and apparently then did the

0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:14.000
<v Speaker 2>bartender die because like supposedly, the rest of the ingredients

0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:15.640
<v Speaker 2>are lost to history.

0:26:16.119 --> 0:26:18.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess Pauline must have died or else

0:26:18.600 --> 0:26:21.960
<v Speaker 1>she could have just probably told everybody. By the way, like,

0:26:22.040 --> 0:26:24.840
<v Speaker 1>after this tragedy settles, I created a whiz bang of

0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:25.400
<v Speaker 1>a drink up.

0:26:25.320 --> 0:26:27.880
<v Speaker 2>There exactly remind me to tell you about the Hymn

0:26:28.200 --> 0:26:32.679
<v Speaker 2>cocktail that came out. But I saw somebody surmise that

0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:36.199
<v Speaker 2>the other ingredients were probably drivermoth, which you like at

0:26:36.200 --> 0:26:39.920
<v Speaker 2>a Martini grenadine and not like Roses grenadine, but like

0:26:39.960 --> 0:26:44.199
<v Speaker 2>the real pomegranate syrup, and a lemon peel. Yeah that

0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:46.520
<v Speaker 2>sounds nice, Sure, I'll try that.

0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:50.159
<v Speaker 1>So what else they had that piano.

0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:50.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh.

0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:53.439
<v Speaker 1>The cabins had running hot and cold water. They had

0:26:53.440 --> 0:26:56.680
<v Speaker 1>a little fold down desk, but they were small. The

0:26:57.520 --> 0:27:00.960
<v Speaker 1>crew cabins were just like would expect a crew cabin

0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:02.920
<v Speaker 1>to be very small. It look like those beds were

0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:05.000
<v Speaker 1>a couple of feet wide.

0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:07.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there were bunk beds too.

0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:27:08.720 --> 0:27:11.840
<v Speaker 2>So with an art deco ladder, no less too pretty.

0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:13.399
<v Speaker 2>Of course it was kind of cool looking. I'm not

0:27:13.440 --> 0:27:18.120
<v Speaker 2>a huge fan of the nineteen thirties esthetic. I liked

0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:21.240
<v Speaker 2>the ladders for the bunk beds.

0:27:21.440 --> 0:27:23.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm big into deco. Maybe you can get one of

0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:24.160
<v Speaker 1>those off of eBay or something.

0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:30.879
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, it's it's probably dead or gone up in flames.

0:27:30.880 --> 0:27:33.119
<v Speaker 1>I would guess, well, some of that stuff survived as

0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:36.040
<v Speaker 1>in a museum. True, so you couldn't buy it, but

0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:37.400
<v Speaker 1>maybe we could, you know, bust it out.

0:27:37.840 --> 0:27:40.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we could break into the Smithsonian.

0:27:41.359 --> 0:27:42.480
<v Speaker 1>Get that ladder for you.

0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:46.000
<v Speaker 2>Just pass everything else by and go straight for the

0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:46.959
<v Speaker 2>Hindenburg ladder.

0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:47.920
<v Speaker 1>That's it, that's all you want.

0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:50.000
<v Speaker 2>And I'd be like, I'd get it home and be like,

0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:54.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't even have bunk beds, So this is all

0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:57.119
<v Speaker 2>getting lots of press, like this is a big deal. Remember,

0:27:57.160 --> 0:28:00.080
<v Speaker 2>the Hindenburg was part of a playing Transatlantic fleece, so

0:28:00.480 --> 0:28:02.680
<v Speaker 2>this is big news. One thing that a lot of

0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:05.600
<v Speaker 2>people forget is that the Nazis were in charge of

0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:08.760
<v Speaker 2>Germany at the time. The Hindenburg was a German ship.

0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:12.600
<v Speaker 2>It was a civilian ship, but it still had big

0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:18.800
<v Speaker 2>fat swastikas on its tail fins. And as everyone knows,

0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:20.840
<v Speaker 2>the Hindenburg went up in flames. I think is no

0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:24.680
<v Speaker 2>coincidence that its tail went up in flames first, because

0:28:25.640 --> 0:28:26.639
<v Speaker 2>why wouldn't.

0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:29.800
<v Speaker 1>It, right, it's a good point. I didn't think about that. Actually.

0:28:30.119 --> 0:28:32.720
<v Speaker 2>So the Nazis were like, hey, we're trying to get

0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:36.120
<v Speaker 2>everybody a like us to psych them out, and let's

0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:40.080
<v Speaker 2>send the Hindenburg on a three day publicity tour around Europe. Essentially,

0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:44.080
<v Speaker 2>that was its maiden voyage in March of nineteen thirty six.

0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:48.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they did a lot of these little propaganda flights

0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:52.560
<v Speaker 1>and apparently the one that lifted off on May six

0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:58.600
<v Speaker 1>had some engine trouble. But they had had to skip

0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:01.440
<v Speaker 1>endurance test because of one of those propaganda flights.

0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:04.840
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, they were like it'll be fine. Apparently, think

0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:08.880
<v Speaker 2>that they would have found the engine troubles, but The

0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Hindenberg made its first passage to America in May of

0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:15.680
<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty six, which is confusing because it was May

0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:18.840
<v Speaker 2>of nineteen thirty seven when it had its last Yeah,

0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:22.880
<v Speaker 2>its last voyage to America, so almost exactly a year

0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:25.680
<v Speaker 2>later in between its first trip to America and its

0:29:25.720 --> 0:29:30.360
<v Speaker 2>last trip to America. Yeah, it got me all throughout

0:29:30.440 --> 0:29:34.000
<v Speaker 2>researching this. Yeah for sure, Wait wait what how are

0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:34.920
<v Speaker 2>these people alive?

0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:39.240
<v Speaker 1>And then yeah, they completed thirty four flights in nineteen

0:29:39.280 --> 0:29:42.520
<v Speaker 1>thirty six, which included some of those propaganda flights, one

0:29:42.520 --> 0:29:45.520
<v Speaker 1>of which very famously at the nineteen thirty six Olympic

0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:48.640
<v Speaker 1>Games there in Berlin. And then you know, round trip

0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:50.640
<v Speaker 1>flights to America and then the one to Brazil that

0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:55.760
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned, and they had, you know, they were catering

0:29:55.880 --> 0:29:58.800
<v Speaker 1>like you mentioned the astors, you know, Nelson Rockefeller, the

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 1>head of Eastern's airline TWA pan Am Like. I think

0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:04.480
<v Speaker 1>they were kind of rubbing in the face of all

0:30:04.480 --> 0:30:07.720
<v Speaker 1>these early airlines, right saying, come fly on this super

0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 1>slow but kind of awesome thing.

0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:12.000
<v Speaker 2>I wonder also if they were like, hey, don't you

0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:14.280
<v Speaker 2>guys want to start your own airship division. We'll sell

0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:17.120
<v Speaker 2>you theatirships, you know. Yeah, it could have also been

0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:21.560
<v Speaker 2>a little of both. Yeah, right, that millionaire's flight you mentioned,

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:25.280
<v Speaker 2>Eddie Rickenbacher was also on that, and he's the American

0:30:25.360 --> 0:30:27.440
<v Speaker 2>flying ace from World War One who took down the

0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:29.640
<v Speaker 2>Red baron. Yeah, so I'm sure it was a tad

0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:33.800
<v Speaker 2>awkward around the other German military Nazi leaders who were

0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:35.240
<v Speaker 2>on that millionaire's flight too.

0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:37.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well this guy, right.

0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:41.760
<v Speaker 2>So that was nineteen thirty six. It was a triumphant

0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:46.160
<v Speaker 2>year for the Hindenburg, and it had six more successful

0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:50.280
<v Speaker 2>flights in nineteen thirty seven. When it started, I say

0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:52.160
<v Speaker 2>we take a break and come back again, and things

0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:54.960
<v Speaker 2>just start to go poorly for the Hindenburg. How about that?

0:30:55.240 --> 0:31:19.560
<v Speaker 1>All right, we'll be right back, all right. I was

0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:21.520
<v Speaker 1>confused by the May stuff as well, because here we

0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:25.600
<v Speaker 1>are in May again, one year after the first commercial

0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:29.880
<v Speaker 1>passage in thirty six, all those successful flights. Later, the

0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:32.960
<v Speaker 1>seventh one of the new year, on May third, nineteen

0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 1>thirty seven, Captain Max Press was at the Helm and

0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:38.960
<v Speaker 1>it lifted off there in Frankfurt headed toward Lake Hirst.

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:40.920
<v Speaker 1>There's a naval air base there by the way, which

0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 1>is why they kept going to suburban New Jersey.

0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:46.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is kind of shocking. They were letting the

0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:49.560
<v Speaker 2>nazis land blimpse and at a naval air base in

0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:50.240
<v Speaker 2>New Jersey.

0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:53.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean this was still I mean, this was

0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:56.520
<v Speaker 1>just before they probably would have said no, right, right, Yeah,

0:31:56.680 --> 0:32:00.320
<v Speaker 1>So they got all the way there, they flew and

0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:02.400
<v Speaker 1>that's sort of the cruel tragedy of this is or

0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:05.520
<v Speaker 1>one of them is, you know, if there were any nerves,

0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:09.480
<v Speaker 1>they're like landing in New Jersey and they're like, this

0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:12.840
<v Speaker 1>is great. We made it. Everybody, we're all sort of drunk.

0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:17.200
<v Speaker 1>We put out our last cigars. It was a storm.

0:32:17.880 --> 0:32:20.240
<v Speaker 1>There was a storm happening, so they sort of delayed

0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:22.040
<v Speaker 1>the landing. They flew out over the ocean for a

0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 1>few more hours. I imagine everyone got even more liquored up.

0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:28.600
<v Speaker 1>And then finally around seven pm, they descended in high

0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:32.200
<v Speaker 1>winds from about five hundred feet down down down to

0:32:32.280 --> 0:32:35.200
<v Speaker 1>a little under three hundred feet and they actually dropped

0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:39.160
<v Speaker 1>those mooring ropes, which turned out spoiler alert could have

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:42.320
<v Speaker 1>caused this whole thing, and they secured those ropes at

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:44.680
<v Speaker 1>seven twenty five. They secured those ropes to the ground

0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:48.120
<v Speaker 1>with their winch system, and in less than thirty seconds

0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:49.200
<v Speaker 1>it was all over.

0:32:49.720 --> 0:32:52.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but the ropes that bear this in mind, the

0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:55.880
<v Speaker 2>ropes had been dropped and touching the ground for at

0:32:56.000 --> 0:33:00.640
<v Speaker 2>least four minutes by this time, right, Yeah, so yes,

0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:03.480
<v Speaker 2>it took I think I saw thirty four seconds from

0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:05.760
<v Speaker 2>the time when the flames erupted to the time when

0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:09.200
<v Speaker 2>the entire thing was destroyed and crashed on the ground.

0:33:09.600 --> 0:33:13.680
<v Speaker 2>It went that fast, Like I said, the stern, the

0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:17.680
<v Speaker 2>tail of it caught fire first and the flames just

0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:21.600
<v Speaker 2>kind of blew through the envelope and came out the nose.

0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:26.240
<v Speaker 2>And what's just mind boggling is that as it landed

0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:28.320
<v Speaker 2>on the ground, because it was a light skeleton but

0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:30.240
<v Speaker 2>not something you would want to land on you. And

0:33:30.280 --> 0:33:32.680
<v Speaker 2>in fact, one of the ground crew died, yeah, from

0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:38.000
<v Speaker 2>the skeleton landing on him. People once it hit the ground,

0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:42.800
<v Speaker 2>people were running out of the flames and survived. They

0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:45.000
<v Speaker 2>were running for their lives and they actually made it,

0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:46.080
<v Speaker 2>which is crazy.

0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Two, I mean, we'll go ahead and go with

0:33:48.600 --> 0:33:50.959
<v Speaker 1>the numbers. Two thirds of the people basically survived. There

0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:54.680
<v Speaker 1>were ninety seven people on board total, thirty six passengers,

0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:59.720
<v Speaker 1>sixty one crew, and only thirty six people perished, thirteen

0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:02.480
<v Speaker 1>pass and twenty two crew and then the one ground

0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:05.600
<v Speaker 1>crew person that you were talking about, and very famously

0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:10.400
<v Speaker 1>it was it was called live by a Chicago radio

0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:13.759
<v Speaker 1>reporter named Herb Morrison. Yeah, and I think we should

0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:17.200
<v Speaker 1>either I'll either read it, well, I'll read it, but

0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:20.840
<v Speaker 1>hopefully we can replace it with the real thing, Like

0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:24.360
<v Speaker 1>surely this is like within the public domain, right.

0:34:24.840 --> 0:34:27.840
<v Speaker 2>I saw uncertain according to the Library of Congress.

0:34:28.160 --> 0:34:30.439
<v Speaker 1>All right, well shall I do it? Then?

0:34:30.760 --> 0:34:33.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Do it? Can you do a great HERD Morrison impression?

0:34:33.680 --> 0:34:35.239
<v Speaker 1>Though, I'll do my best. Weall.

0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:36.800
<v Speaker 2>Can you do it as Jim Morrison?

0:34:38.120 --> 0:34:39.920
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I should do it as Sammy Davis Junior, just

0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:41.359
<v Speaker 1>to give it some light.

0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:44.520
<v Speaker 2>I would love to hear that if you're okay.

0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:46.080
<v Speaker 1>No, no, I can't do that. That would be even

0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:49.319
<v Speaker 1>that this decades later, it would be disrespectful, I think.

0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:51.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess that hasn't been one hundred years.

0:34:51.239 --> 0:34:53.879
<v Speaker 1>No, all right, so here we go. This was Herb

0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:57.680
<v Speaker 1>Morrison's call, and this is what was played and literally

0:34:57.680 --> 0:35:02.279
<v Speaker 1>played in movie theater newsreels like the next day. So

0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:05.040
<v Speaker 1>it's all over the place, it's fire and it's crashing

0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:07.400
<v Speaker 1>it's burning, bursting into flames, and it's falling on the

0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:10.520
<v Speaker 1>mooring mast. This is the worst of the worst catastrophes

0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:13.960
<v Speaker 1>in the world. Oh, it's crashing, oh four or five

0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:16.440
<v Speaker 1>hundred feet into the sky, and it's a terrific crash.

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:19.640
<v Speaker 1>Ladies and gentlemen. There's smoke and there's flames now and

0:35:19.680 --> 0:35:22.759
<v Speaker 1>the frame is crashing to the ground. Oh the humanity

0:35:23.160 --> 0:35:26.319
<v Speaker 1>and all the passengers screaming around here. I can't talk,

0:35:26.440 --> 0:35:28.840
<v Speaker 1>ladies and gentlemen. Honest. It is just laying there, a

0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:33.000
<v Speaker 1>massive smoking wreckage, and everybody can hardly breathe and talk. Honest,

0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:35.759
<v Speaker 1>I can hardly breathe. I'm going to step inside where

0:35:35.760 --> 0:35:36.520
<v Speaker 1>I cannot see it.

0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:42.360
<v Speaker 2>That was excellent. If you listen to herb Morrison actually

0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:45.520
<v Speaker 2>doing this, he's in between a lot of these sentences,

0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:49.759
<v Speaker 2>it's like, oh, oh yeah, he is just completely overwhelmed.

0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:52.879
<v Speaker 2>It happens immediately the moment he sees those flames. He's

0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:57.600
<v Speaker 2>just completely overwhelmed. Go listen to her Morris and calling

0:35:57.640 --> 0:36:01.759
<v Speaker 2>that because it's just it's quite stirring. And he's the

0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:04.440
<v Speaker 2>one who gave us that phrase, Oh the humanity.

0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, apparently, and that's where that comes from I just

0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:09.359
<v Speaker 1>kind of want to do a straight reading. I didn't

0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:10.320
<v Speaker 1>want to do all the morning.

0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:13.160
<v Speaker 2>No, no, I mean, no one expected you to do that.

0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:14.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, I didn't want to arouse anybody.

0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:19.799
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, he've always got your eye like three steps ahead, man.

0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:22.560
<v Speaker 1>I hope so. But yeah, oh the humanity that had

0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:24.160
<v Speaker 1>never been said before? Is that true?

0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:27.279
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know if it had been said,

0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:29.840
<v Speaker 2>but certainly heard. Morrison was the one who popularized it.

0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:33.719
<v Speaker 2>Seems to me like everything that he said was just

0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:36.719
<v Speaker 2>pouring out of him without thinking. Yeah, so I would

0:36:36.760 --> 0:36:38.840
<v Speaker 2>guess that was just off the cuff for him.

0:36:39.040 --> 0:36:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Man, it's amazing. So again, only thirty six of the

0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:46.320
<v Speaker 1>ninety seven people aboard perished. Immediately, there were about fifteen

0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:50.160
<v Speaker 1>hundred US Navy personnel there that were, you know, all

0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:52.719
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden doing not much of a search but

0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:56.319
<v Speaker 1>just rescue attempts. And like I said, it was all

0:36:56.360 --> 0:36:58.200
<v Speaker 1>over the news the next morning, it was on movie

0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:03.480
<v Speaker 1>theater newsreels. Within hours of both American and German investigators

0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:08.200
<v Speaker 1>were there, and immediately theories started coming out kind of

0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:08.799
<v Speaker 1>left and right.

0:37:10.000 --> 0:37:13.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so this is the thirties, everybody's already starting to

0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:16.360
<v Speaker 2>get wise to what the Nazis are like. There's also

0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:20.360
<v Speaker 2>communists running around, maybe even old school anarchists who like

0:37:20.440 --> 0:37:22.800
<v Speaker 2>to throw bombs. So the idea that it was this

0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:27.879
<v Speaker 2>act of sabotage was bandied about very quickly. Yeah. One

0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:31.120
<v Speaker 2>of the first people who had their eyes set on

0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:34.319
<v Speaker 2>them was a guy named Joseph Spee. Have you did

0:37:34.360 --> 0:37:36.839
<v Speaker 2>you see his professional name?

0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:40.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I didn't. I saw he was an acrobat,

0:37:40.360 --> 0:37:41.520
<v Speaker 1>But he was an acrobat.

0:37:41.560 --> 0:37:44.000
<v Speaker 2>He was also an actor. He appears in Marathon Man.

0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Apparently he's the guy who dies in the car crash

0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:47.680
<v Speaker 2>that starts everything off.

0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:48.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow.

0:37:48.719 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 2>His professional name as an acrobat was ben Dova. I'm

0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:55.800
<v Speaker 2>not kidding.

0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:57.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, it's amazing.

0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:01.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So he I'm just gonna call him Bendover from

0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:02.680
<v Speaker 2>here on out.

0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:06.799
<v Speaker 1>Sounds like a Bart Simpson call into its stabborn totally does.

0:38:07.640 --> 0:38:12.360
<v Speaker 2>He was deemed suspicious by one of the stewards, a

0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:17.400
<v Speaker 2>German steward a board the Hindenburg, and apparently the German

0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:20.480
<v Speaker 2>steward told the authorities who are investigating this that he

0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:26.719
<v Speaker 2>found Joseph Bendova quote unsympathetic to airship travel like he

0:38:26.800 --> 0:38:30.160
<v Speaker 2>wasn't he wasn't just overjoyed or blown away by it apparently,

0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:34.799
<v Speaker 2>which is spoken like a true everyday fascist pos if

0:38:34.800 --> 0:38:35.680
<v Speaker 2>you think about.

0:38:35.440 --> 0:38:38.480
<v Speaker 1>It, Yeah, budd he might also have been like, I'm Bendova,

0:38:38.560 --> 0:38:42.319
<v Speaker 1>you think like you should see what I've seen exactly.

0:38:42.400 --> 0:38:44.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, that was one of the other things too, that

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:47.160
<v Speaker 2>when he was being investigated, they were like, he's also

0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:49.920
<v Speaker 2>an acrobat. He could probably climb around into the Skelton

0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:53.600
<v Speaker 2>and plan a bomb. So apparently they found zero evidence

0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:57.600
<v Speaker 2>to that of like supporting him being a bomber whatsoever.

0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:00.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I have not seen the film from noineteen seventy

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:07.359
<v Speaker 1>five with what's the guy's name Georgie Scott and Anne

0:39:07.360 --> 0:39:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Bancroft among others, but it seemed from the trailer that

0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:14.080
<v Speaker 1>they fully like just fictionalized, and that it was it

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:16.239
<v Speaker 1>was a bomb and it was sabotage and that was

0:39:16.520 --> 0:39:17.280
<v Speaker 1>that was the movie.

0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:19.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh really, I didn't know that. That's lame.

0:39:20.000 --> 0:39:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what it looked like to me. And apparently

0:39:21.920 --> 0:39:23.640
<v Speaker 1>it was a fifteen million dollar movie at the time,

0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:25.719
<v Speaker 1>which was a lot of dope in nineteen seventy five

0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:26.200
<v Speaker 1>for a movie.

0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:29.840
<v Speaker 2>Sure, what was going on with blimps and disaster stuff

0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:32.440
<v Speaker 2>in the seventies, because there was also that movie Black Sunday.

0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:36.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was just the peak, it was peak disaster film,

0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:38.080
<v Speaker 1>so they were they were looking at all angles.

0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:41.399
<v Speaker 2>I think I should have guessed that there were other

0:39:41.440 --> 0:39:47.160
<v Speaker 2>people who were considered for sabotage anti Nazis. Sure there

0:39:47.200 --> 0:39:50.600
<v Speaker 2>was one that said the Zeppelin company and or the

0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:53.760
<v Speaker 2>Nazi Party blew up the ship for insurance money.

0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:55.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was one.

0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:57.640
<v Speaker 2>It was. I think it was covered for fifteen million

0:39:57.719 --> 0:40:00.360
<v Speaker 2>dollars and according to Westig, that's about three hundred and

0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:01.920
<v Speaker 2>fifty five million dollars today.

0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:02.319
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:04.960
<v Speaker 2>Do not think the Nazi Party would not have considered

0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:05.440
<v Speaker 2>doing that.

0:40:05.920 --> 0:40:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, bombs being fired at

0:40:09.600 --> 0:40:13.719
<v Speaker 1>from below, from above. The one thing they do know

0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:17.120
<v Speaker 1>for sure is that the hydrogen was what caused it

0:40:17.160 --> 0:40:20.000
<v Speaker 1>to go up in flames in like thirty seconds. There

0:40:20.040 --> 0:40:23.840
<v Speaker 1>is no controversy about that. How that happened is still

0:40:24.880 --> 0:40:28.600
<v Speaker 1>not like for sure. Known witnesses said that as the

0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:32.799
<v Speaker 1>ship approached, it appeared to be glowing before the fire

0:40:32.840 --> 0:40:36.200
<v Speaker 1>even started, and so at the time scientists heard that

0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:38.960
<v Speaker 1>and they were like, oh, okay, well it gathered an

0:40:39.000 --> 0:40:42.040
<v Speaker 1>electrostatic charge because of these storms that were going on,

0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:45.680
<v Speaker 1>and that there was probably like a hydrogen leak and

0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:47.440
<v Speaker 1>that's what ignited the whole thing.

0:40:47.760 --> 0:40:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Right. The thing is is like that electrostatic charge, if

0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:54.560
<v Speaker 2>it had like sparked, it would have had to have

0:40:54.560 --> 0:40:57.400
<v Speaker 2>sparked exactly where that hydrogen leak was, and across an

0:40:57.400 --> 0:41:00.760
<v Speaker 2>eight hundred foot dirigible. The chance is of the spark

0:41:00.800 --> 0:41:03.600
<v Speaker 2>and the leak happening at the exact same spot are

0:41:03.640 --> 0:41:08.040
<v Speaker 2>pretty low, right, Yeah, I agree. So there's other theories

0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:14.400
<v Speaker 2>that tried to Basically, basically everyone agrees there was an

0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:20.320
<v Speaker 2>electrostatic charge. Somehow the electrostatic charge sparked, somehow that spark

0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:24.439
<v Speaker 2>set off the hydrogen explosion. Almost everyone agrees on that.

0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:27.479
<v Speaker 2>But within that you still have a lot of room

0:41:27.520 --> 0:41:30.799
<v Speaker 2>to maneuver around and figure out, you know, what exactly

0:41:31.160 --> 0:41:33.680
<v Speaker 2>led to this disaster. And what's amazing is that we

0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:34.720
<v Speaker 2>still don't know today.

0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:37.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, there have been a lot of books written

0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:39.400
<v Speaker 1>about it over the year. There was one in nineteen

0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:43.480
<v Speaker 1>sixty two called who Destroyed the Hindenburg by AA Hurling

0:41:44.360 --> 0:41:50.200
<v Speaker 1>And they blamed a ground rigger named Eric Spell who

0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:53.440
<v Speaker 1>was actually on the crew. He was in inside the blimp,

0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:56.000
<v Speaker 1>and apparently blew it up to a pease or to

0:41:56.120 --> 0:41:58.840
<v Speaker 1>please his communist girlfriend. But I don't know if he

0:41:58.920 --> 0:42:00.880
<v Speaker 1>survived or not. But that doesn't make sense, and I

0:42:00.920 --> 0:42:02.719
<v Speaker 1>don't think there was any evans at all about that.

0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:06.360
<v Speaker 2>No, And now that I see Michael Mooney, he wrote

0:42:06.400 --> 0:42:09.080
<v Speaker 2>a book called The Hindenburg and that movie was based

0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:11.839
<v Speaker 2>on the Hindenburg and he basically used that theory. So

0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:14.600
<v Speaker 2>that's why they would have made it like a bombing.

0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:17.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he must have been the character in the movie

0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:20.680
<v Speaker 1>that I saw that was running around up to no good.

0:42:21.040 --> 0:42:23.759
<v Speaker 2>Ben Doova is a character in that movie. But he

0:42:23.840 --> 0:42:26.080
<v Speaker 2>goes by I think Joseph spiel I think.

0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:27.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh, this is a missed opportunity.

0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:32.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh for sure. Yeah. There's also a theory about incendiary paint,

0:42:32.280 --> 0:42:35.760
<v Speaker 2>which is basically a scientist from NASA named Addison Bain

0:42:36.360 --> 0:42:42.239
<v Speaker 2>who his career is based on creating hydrogen fuel propulsion

0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:44.320
<v Speaker 2>systems right, using hydrogen as fuel.

0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:46.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so he's pro hydrogen very much.

0:42:46.440 --> 0:42:50.480
<v Speaker 2>So he had an idea that no, the hydrogen that

0:42:50.600 --> 0:42:54.080
<v Speaker 2>was secondary, that what really ignited first and then eventually

0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:58.520
<v Speaker 2>ignited the hydrogen was this coating on the outer shell

0:42:59.040 --> 0:43:01.440
<v Speaker 2>of the envelope which we talked about that kept the

0:43:01.480 --> 0:43:06.680
<v Speaker 2>sun's rays off and that that ignited. And he really

0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:09.160
<v Speaker 2>went to talent on this. Apparently he had a television

0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:12.680
<v Speaker 2>special and had to really work at getting an actual

0:43:12.760 --> 0:43:17.560
<v Speaker 2>piece of salvaged envelope from the Hindenburg. He burned it

0:43:17.600 --> 0:43:20.120
<v Speaker 2>on TV, but he really had to bend over, He

0:43:20.160 --> 0:43:24.080
<v Speaker 2>had to bendova backwards to get this thing to light.

0:43:24.239 --> 0:43:28.000
<v Speaker 2>So essentially his own demonstration proved to critics like, that's

0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:31.480
<v Speaker 2>that that theory's not doesn't hold hydrogen.

0:43:32.080 --> 0:43:34.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was. It was debunked. Boy, you were just

0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:37.120
<v Speaker 1>flying all over the place with these jokes in double

0:43:37.239 --> 0:43:38.400
<v Speaker 1>entendre's very impressive.

0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:40.760
<v Speaker 2>Thanks, I appreciate you noticing.

0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:44.799
<v Speaker 1>The giant capacitor theory. That was just like five years ago.

0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:49.759
<v Speaker 1>There's a Caltech professor named Constantinos Giappus, not sure where

0:43:49.800 --> 0:43:53.640
<v Speaker 1>he was from, but he offered a different take on

0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:57.239
<v Speaker 1>the ignition source. I think there was a pbshow Hindenburg

0:43:57.320 --> 0:44:00.920
<v Speaker 1>colon the new evidence and here was the deal. There was,

0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:02.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, the outer skin that we were talking about,

0:44:03.360 --> 0:44:06.440
<v Speaker 1>but that skin wasn't directly wrapped on the frame. It

0:44:06.480 --> 0:44:09.040
<v Speaker 1>had these little wooden spacers like hundreds, I would imagine

0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:12.319
<v Speaker 1>thousands of these things spacing it out so it didn't

0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:16.359
<v Speaker 1>actually touch the frame. And his proposal was that when

0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:18.320
<v Speaker 1>the ship dropped those ropes that we talked about, and

0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:20.360
<v Speaker 1>I said to put a pin in it, that the

0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:23.520
<v Speaker 1>space between the ship's skin collected a lot of positive

0:44:24.080 --> 0:44:29.160
<v Speaker 1>electrostatic charge during that storm, so that the area between

0:44:29.239 --> 0:44:33.880
<v Speaker 1>the skin and the metal frame collected electrons when the

0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:36.400
<v Speaker 1>ropes hit the ground, and it turned it into just

0:44:36.440 --> 0:44:39.880
<v Speaker 1>a big, basically a giant bomb, a big energy storing

0:44:39.880 --> 0:44:43.840
<v Speaker 1>capacitor that was dotted with these little capacitors like ignition points.

0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:47.960
<v Speaker 2>Essentially, Yeah, that's so, that's what his That's where we

0:44:47.960 --> 0:44:51.520
<v Speaker 2>were saying that the ignition point, the spark, and the

0:44:51.600 --> 0:44:55.160
<v Speaker 2>hydrogen leak being at the same spot was very unlikely.

0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:58.879
<v Speaker 2>And what Geoppis basically said was like, no, all those

0:44:58.920 --> 0:45:04.080
<v Speaker 2>spacers became capacitors themselves, and they were all soaring, all

0:45:04.120 --> 0:45:06.960
<v Speaker 2>this energy negative on the frame, positive on the skin,

0:45:07.440 --> 0:45:09.920
<v Speaker 2>and all it took was one spark for all of

0:45:09.960 --> 0:45:12.920
<v Speaker 2>them to start sparking. And if you have a hundreds

0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:15.680
<v Speaker 2>or like you said, thousands of little capacitors sparking at once,

0:45:15.960 --> 0:45:18.759
<v Speaker 2>it's going to blow up a hydrogen dirigible, and it's

0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:21.120
<v Speaker 2>going to do it pretty fast. And I said that

0:45:21.200 --> 0:45:24.319
<v Speaker 2>there was four minutes in between the time when they

0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:27.520
<v Speaker 2>dropped the mooring cables to the ground and the time

0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:32.880
<v Speaker 2>the Hindenburg blew up. And in one of the tests

0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:38.440
<v Speaker 2>that Giappus ran for Nova for this program, he basically

0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:42.920
<v Speaker 2>ran essentially the same situation that the Hindenburg would have

0:45:42.960 --> 0:45:45.320
<v Speaker 2>gone through under his theory, and it took four minutes

0:45:45.320 --> 0:45:47.040
<v Speaker 2>for it to develop enough of a charge for the

0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:48.200
<v Speaker 2>capacitor to spark.

0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:50.080
<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, he just sounds pretty good.

0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:51.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I like this one a lot too.

0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:54.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's the most recent one, I guess the

0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:58.040
<v Speaker 1>others have been debunked, So yeah, you know, I'm bandwagoning

0:45:58.160 --> 0:45:59.239
<v Speaker 1>admittedly for sure.

0:46:00.760 --> 0:46:04.160
<v Speaker 2>So one of the things that a lot of people

0:46:04.160 --> 0:46:06.759
<v Speaker 2>aren't aware of is that the Hindenburg when it went up,

0:46:07.320 --> 0:46:10.000
<v Speaker 2>not only did it immediately put an end to the

0:46:10.200 --> 0:46:13.960
<v Speaker 2>idea of transatlantic airship flights or airships in general, aside

0:46:14.000 --> 0:46:17.920
<v Speaker 2>from Goodyear, who bravely was it? Yeah, it put the

0:46:17.960 --> 0:46:20.480
<v Speaker 2>kibosh on hydrogen as a fuel. That's why people like

0:46:20.560 --> 0:46:23.240
<v Speaker 2>Addison Bain in the nineties were coming up with these

0:46:23.840 --> 0:46:26.520
<v Speaker 2>these things trying to defend hydrogen. They're saying, no, it's safe,

0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:28.880
<v Speaker 2>it's safe, and people are like, did you see the Hindenburg.

0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:32.439
<v Speaker 2>You're a fool. And apparently it is safe in some

0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:34.680
<v Speaker 2>ways compared to like gasoline.

0:46:35.320 --> 0:46:39.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean there are new airships happening, and there's

0:46:39.719 --> 0:46:42.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's people working with hydrogen again, so it's

0:46:42.560 --> 0:46:44.960
<v Speaker 1>like enough time has passed to where they're looking into

0:46:44.960 --> 0:46:47.680
<v Speaker 1>this kind of thing again. I think the Pathfinder one.

0:46:48.880 --> 0:46:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Google co founder Sergey Brinn is the sort of brain

0:46:52.719 --> 0:46:55.600
<v Speaker 1>child behind that one. That thing is four hundred and

0:46:55.719 --> 0:46:59.360
<v Speaker 1>feet long, eight feet long, and I think is still

0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:04.239
<v Speaker 1>like none of these things are commercialized yet they're like

0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:06.720
<v Speaker 1>still in testing phases and development phases.

0:47:07.200 --> 0:47:10.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they all run on helium not hydrogen too.

0:47:10.640 --> 0:47:13.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean hydrogen's being used for other things, but yeah,

0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:16.359
<v Speaker 1>that they're still I don't think they could ever use

0:47:16.400 --> 0:47:17.719
<v Speaker 1>hydrogen again for something like this.

0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:22.399
<v Speaker 2>We've talked about the Hindenburg before. It must have been

0:47:22.400 --> 0:47:24.359
<v Speaker 2>on like one of the videos we did, because I

0:47:24.400 --> 0:47:31.520
<v Speaker 2>remember us saying that none of the people who jumped, no,

0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:34.520
<v Speaker 2>none of the people who didn't jump died. That the

0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:38.560
<v Speaker 2>people who jumped from the Hindburg who died. That's not true.

0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:43.720
<v Speaker 2>That is a urban legend and we kept it going.

0:47:43.800 --> 0:47:46.759
<v Speaker 2>But this was fifteen years ago, so come on give

0:47:46.840 --> 0:47:47.239
<v Speaker 2>us a break.

0:47:47.280 --> 0:47:50.440
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, if you want to see parts of it,

0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:53.600
<v Speaker 1>I told you, you know, some in the Smithsonian, some

0:47:53.640 --> 0:47:56.160
<v Speaker 1>of the pieces of the ship, some of the luxury stuff,

0:47:56.239 --> 0:47:59.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of like the Titanic survived. The National

0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:03.120
<v Speaker 1>Museum has some stuff. Obviously, the Air and Space Museum

0:48:03.160 --> 0:48:05.960
<v Speaker 1>have some stuff, and that's where you can see it.

0:48:06.040 --> 0:48:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Just keep your eyes, keep your eyes off that ladder.

0:48:11.160 --> 0:48:11.800
<v Speaker 1>That's for Josh.

0:48:11.840 --> 0:48:13.960
<v Speaker 2>Thanks man. I appreciate you looking out for me like that.

0:48:15.080 --> 0:48:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Since Chuck is looking out for me with Smithsonian artifacts,

0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:22.680
<v Speaker 2>that means obviously it's time for listener mail. Guys.

0:48:24.760 --> 0:48:28.319
<v Speaker 1>This is just a really nice email for Michael and Columbus, Ohio. Hey, guys,

0:48:28.360 --> 0:48:30.200
<v Speaker 1>just want to give you thanks for being one of

0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:33.040
<v Speaker 1>the most consistent aspects of my world for almost two decades.

0:48:33.400 --> 0:48:35.919
<v Speaker 1>I started listening when I was ten years old. Nice

0:48:36.600 --> 0:48:37.960
<v Speaker 1>on and off of course at first, but in the

0:48:38.000 --> 0:48:40.200
<v Speaker 1>last couple of years I've been listening to new episodes

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<v Speaker 1>every week. Such a gift you've given and are still

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<v Speaker 1>giving to this world, sharing your stories, perspectives and jokes

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<v Speaker 1>and rants and spectacles. With this, I truly hope you too,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jerry and all the people who help behind the

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<v Speaker 1>scenes are able to recognize the benefit an impact of

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<v Speaker 1>having consistent worldly discourse. Being able to turn on a

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<v Speaker 1>podcast and learn about landing on the moon or the

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<v Speaker 1>wonders of the world or anything in history really inspired

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<v Speaker 1>the learning in me and continues to spark my curiosity

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<v Speaker 1>every week. Josh, Chuck and team you guys rock. Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>from a twenty seven year old kid trying to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out this world. Hope remains alive and that is Michael

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<v Speaker 1>and Columbus Man.

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<v Speaker 2>Live those really great Thanks a lot, Michael.

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<v Speaker 1>That inspires us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm inspired to go another eighteen years, Chuck, I

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<v Speaker 2>hope I live that long.

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<v Speaker 1>You better, man, I Well, I plan on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh okay. Well, if you want to be like Michael

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