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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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Speaker 2: Chuck and Jerry's here too, and this is Stuff you

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Speaker 2: should Know. This is one of those ones, Chuck, that

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Speaker 2: I'm really surprised we haven't done already.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And actually, boy, talk about a segway.

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Speaker 1: This is about the transatlantic voyage of the Hindenburg. But

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Speaker 1: before we get into that quickly, we want to remind everybody,

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Speaker 1: or maybe if you're hearing this for the first time,

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Speaker 1: about the Stuff at Sea voyage that we are going

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Speaker 1: on in partnership with Virgin Voyages. We're taking to the

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Speaker 1: Great Seas, right.

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Speaker 2: We are not the skies, the seas, and we are

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Speaker 2: actually headlining a very special voyage called Stuff at Sea

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Speaker 2: and it's us doing our thing, including a live podcast

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Speaker 2: on board, and then some of our other colleagues too,

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Speaker 2: including the stuff they don't want you to know. Guys

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Speaker 2: are going to be doing their thing two on this.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a five night voyage.

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Speaker 1: That's right October two through seven, from New York City

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Speaker 1: to Bermuda. Like I said, this is through Virgin so

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Speaker 1: that means it is a kid free luxury experience. And

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Speaker 1: there's also gonna be interactive sessions. The you're gonna be

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Speaker 1: meet and greets, they're gonna be themed activations. Woha, wonder

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Speaker 1: what that is.

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Speaker 2: I also saw it described as a culture soaked escape

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Speaker 2: where pink sand paradise meets curious minds. I don't think

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Speaker 2: anything else needs to be said besides that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you get it, folks. If you want

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Speaker 1: to come hang out on a very large boat with

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Speaker 1: us in the middle of the ocean and here us

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Speaker 1: do our live podcast along with other things, then this

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Speaker 1: is going to be our only chance to ever do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very nice. You can go to virgin Voyages dot

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Speaker 2: com slash stuff in October. Cool. I don't know that

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Speaker 2: this was the best episode to put that in, but

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Speaker 2: we did what we did.

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Speaker 1: You know, well, it's not like it's the Titanic episode.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's a great great Yeah, that's a good point

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Speaker 2: that would have been.

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Speaker 1: That would be bad, really, because we're taking through the

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Speaker 1: skies now talking about what happened on May six, nineteen

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Speaker 1: thirty seven, when the Hindenburg dirigible crashed burst into flames

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Speaker 1: over Lakehurst, New Jersey. And I am also surprised you

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Speaker 1: haven't covered this. This is you know, I didn't really

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Speaker 1: know much about it. I knew the Hindenburg crash, and

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Speaker 1: I'd seen the footage and heard the stuff the commentary,

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Speaker 1: but I was like, yeah, man, that they built that

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Speaker 1: didn't know that they had successfully flown this stuff a bunch,

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Speaker 1: and that there were even worse airship disasters than this.

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Speaker 1: This is just the most well known. For reasons we'll

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Speaker 1: get into.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty shocking to see, and it was

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Speaker 2: really well documented. But yeah, I think including.

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Speaker 1: Me, never mind, there it is what those are the reasons?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but including me though, Chuck, I thought it

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Speaker 2: was the maiden voyage too. I didn't realize it was

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Speaker 2: just part of a larger thing either. And I think

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Speaker 2: the Hindenburg itself had already been on a three day

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it had flown a bunch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So let's talk about this. Because the Hindenburg was

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Speaker 2: known as an airship, which was also known as a dirigible,

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Speaker 2: which you mentioned a second ago, and there's actually specific

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Speaker 2: criteria to be a dirigible, and the Hindenburg just checked

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Speaker 1: That's right. Dirigible means it is powered, so it's not

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Speaker 1: But hot air balloons and dirigibles are the same things

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Speaker 1: as far as being lifted by what's known as LTA

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Speaker 1: and now it's pretty much exclusively used. Yeah, and then

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Speaker 1: it means it's steerable as well, so you can you

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. All you have to do is shout dirigible,

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Speaker 1: Well. I didn't know that it was actually an It

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Speaker 2: For steerable, dirigible and steerable. So like this car is

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Speaker 2: I would think there have to be an auto journalist

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Speaker 2: of using the same terms, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like Current Driver magazine, like the snooty writers.

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. So there's three forms that argiles come in, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, we got you know, the Eastlake Golf

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Speaker 1: Goodyear Blimp is directly over my home. It's very cool

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Speaker 2: Didn't you say you're trying to angle for a ride

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Speaker 2: in the Goodyear Blimp and that you're in laws have

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Speaker 2: ridden in the Goodyear Blimp at our Akron show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have never done that. You know, obviously Akron

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Speaker 1: done it. So if anyone can take me up, and

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Speaker 1: you I mean you're invited, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, Oh sure, sure, I assume that if you're interested.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I am or not. My dad

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Speaker 2: I'm not getting in that thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean after reading this, I mean, it's a

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Speaker 2: Right, So let's get back to what the balloon like

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Speaker 2: of dirigibles are. There's three of them.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah. There's non rigid, semi rigid, and rigid. Non

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Speaker 1: rigid is more like a high air balloon. That means

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Speaker 1: there's no structure on the inside and it's just the

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Speaker 1: pressure of that gas keeping everything puffed out.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and hot air balloons are what make New Mexico's

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Speaker 2: Semi rigid is kind of like non rigid, except there's

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Speaker 2: the part that runs along the bottom of the envelope. Right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it flies right, and then Rigid is the last one.

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Speaker 2: of colorized photos of the Hindenburg, the interior in particular,

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Speaker 2: and they said that its skeleton was made of dure illumine.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever heard of that before?

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Speaker 1: I had never heard of it, so of course I

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Speaker 1: That's an aluminum copper alloy, right, that's as strong as

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Speaker 2: it's not exactly what it sounds like, then somebody messed

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Speaker 1: It's a lot lighter than soft steel, obviously, and in

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Speaker 1: ferris wheel like rings that gave this thing the shape,

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Speaker 1: and between those rings, and this is something I didn't know,

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Speaker 1: there were sixteen separate balloons between those rings. And that

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Speaker 1: whole thing was covered with Goodyear latex and then a

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Speaker 1: cotton like canvas fabric outer shell.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the outer skin the envelope was not what

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Speaker 1: I guess then, I think sixteen balloons. We al should

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Speaker 1: mention that cotton canvas fabric was coated with their protective

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it kept the sun off essentially so that the

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Speaker 2: UV rays wouldn't break it down into useless I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: So the other thing about the rigid one, and I

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Speaker 2: passengers and crew usually are inside that envelope, inside the blimp.

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Speaker 2: And if you look at the Hindenburg, there's like a

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Speaker 2: I had no idea about that.

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Speaker 1: Did you, Yeah? I did, because like where else would

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Speaker 1: In fact, I think they encouraged the passengers to hang

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Speaker 1: where all the windows were, right. But I also learned

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Speaker 1: that from watching the trailer to the Hindenburg movie when

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Speaker 1: it showed a lot of action inside that shell.

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Speaker 2: Okay, gotcha. So I just thought that the gondola was

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Speaker 2: just that dwarfed by the blimp itself and that it

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Speaker 2: held all that stuff. I had no idea they were

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Speaker 2: inside the blimp. I find that much more claustrophobic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And I could see how you would

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about the size of this thing, but you

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Speaker 1: need not only look at pictures of the Hindenburg flying

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Speaker 2: It was enormous. So that good Year blimp, it depends

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Speaker 2: on which one you're talking about. I've seen that the

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Speaker 2: Hindenburg was more than eight hundred feet long, almost as

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Speaker 2: long as the Titanic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how does it compare to the seven forty seven?

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Speaker 1: Where is that?

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Speaker 2: I think it's like three times as long as the

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Speaker 2: seven forty seven and twice as tall.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, seriously, Like go look up just type in like

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Speaker 1: Hindenburg over New York City and it's the scale is

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Speaker 1: really kind of it drives at home for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was really It's really impressive. One of the

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Speaker 2: other things I saw, too, is that it had a

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Speaker 2: gas capacity. So of the hydrogen it held of seven million,

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Speaker 2: sixty two thousand cubic feet of highydrogen gas. And to

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Speaker 2: put that in perspective, that's the gas equivalent of seven

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Speaker 2: sixty two thousand and one cubic foot bags of top

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Speaker 2: much hydrogen gas it held.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of gas, and you know, of course

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I say we take a break and we come

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Speaker 2: All right, We'll be right okay, Chuck. So, like you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, it was you know, it was luxury

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Speaker 2: Yeah, those are one way too, not like our voyage

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Speaker 1: That's right. They're bringing us back right, yeah, Okay.

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Speaker 2: A great idea, that's a wonderful idea. Choke, we'll ask, okay,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it wouldn't float away. Pretty much, pretty much,

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Speaker 2: Right right, right, And that was nineteen thirty seven season,

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Speaker 2: It wasn't that high up that they were flying.

435
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean also, and I don't know if that

436
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 1: anything to do with it, but you want people to

437
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 1: see this thing if they're trying to draw them up business. Sure,

438
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: and again those pictures over New York City, that thing

439
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 1: is pretty low.

440
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 2: It is like like kind of concerningly low. Actually.

441
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

442
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Chuck, just a little more about what it

443
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,119
Speaker 2: looked like inside and what it was, you know, like

444
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 2: aboard the Hindenburger. Remember these were luxury, like, state of

445
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 2: the art luxury accommodations in the mid nineteen thirties, but

446
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 2: they also had to adjust for weight and stuff like that.

447
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 2: Like you were saying, it seemed like there was formica everywhere,

448
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 2: Like it looked like the walls were made of formica even.

449
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally a lot of formica, but that that jibe

450
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 1: a little bit with sort of the art deco look

451
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: that seemed like it ran throughout.

452
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. For sure, they dressed for dinner like you would think.

453
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 2: There was an illuminum piano made specifically because a baby

454
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 2: Grand would just be too heavy. Yeah, and they had,

455
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 2: of course incredible meals in this incredibly cramped dining room. Yeah.

456
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 2: And then there was a smoking room, which at first

457
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, of course there's a smoking room, it's

458
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 2: the thirties. And then I was like, hydrogen dirigible that

459
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 2: is actually pretty remarkable.

460
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it had a double air lock. Apparently there was

461
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,719
Speaker 1: one lighter, so they didn't trust people to, you know,

462
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 1: just to bring their own lighters, so there was one

463
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: lighter that would light everyone's cigarettes I guess or whatever else.

464
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: They were smoking pipes I imagine cigars, blunts. Who knows

465
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 1: the bartender was. I can't remember the guy's name, but

466
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 1: they talked about him in the YouTube video and he

467
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: seemed to be a pretty popular guy. And there's one

468
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: story of a famous passenger who creates a drink or

469
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: I guess rather his wife did. British author Leslie Charteris,

470
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: who created the Saint Yeah franchise, His wife Pauline was

471
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 1: a bored and apparently they ran out of gin, like

472
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 1: probably pretty fast, a lot of gin based drinks back then.

473
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 1: So she created a martini made from kishpasser which I

474
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: looked up, which is like a some sort of a

475
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: cherry thing.

476
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a cherry brandy. It's really good.

477
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: Oh you've had it?

478
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah? Yeah, remember when I was like super into

479
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 2: making cocktails.

480
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I've used like the cherry, like the

481
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: Lexardo liqueur and stuff. Is it sort of like that.

482
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 2: No, it's much lighter and it's not nearly a syrupy

483
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 2: and heavy. It's more of a spirit than like a syrup,

484
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

485
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, because the yeah lxardo is a liqueur, but

486
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: the other one is like a legit ninny proof you

487
00:25:58,880 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: know kind of thing.

488
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, where you're like who, But it's it is very

489
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 2: good and it's it's like a cherry flavor. So she

490
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: used that instead of gin, and apparently then did the

491
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 2: bartender die because like supposedly, the rest of the ingredients

492
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 2: are lost to history.

493
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess Pauline must have died or else

494
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: she could have just probably told everybody. By the way, like,

495
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: after this tragedy settles, I created a whiz bang of

496
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: a drink up.

497
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 2: There exactly remind me to tell you about the Hymn

498
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 2: cocktail that came out. But I saw somebody surmise that

499
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 2: the other ingredients were probably drivermoth, which you like at

500
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 2: a Martini grenadine and not like Roses grenadine, but like

501
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 2: the real pomegranate syrup, and a lemon peel. Yeah that

502
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: sounds nice, Sure, I'll try that.

503
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 1: So what else they had that piano.

504
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 2: Oh.

505
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 1: The cabins had running hot and cold water. They had

506
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: a little fold down desk, but they were small. The

507
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: crew cabins were just like would expect a crew cabin

508
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 1: to be very small. It look like those beds were

509
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: a couple of feet wide.

510
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there were bunk beds too.

511
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

512
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: So with an art deco ladder, no less too pretty.

513
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 2: Of course it was kind of cool looking. I'm not

514
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 2: a huge fan of the nineteen thirties esthetic. I liked

515
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: the ladders for the bunk beds.

516
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: I'm big into deco. Maybe you can get one of

517
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: those off of eBay or something.

518
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 2: Oh man, it's it's probably dead or gone up in flames.

519
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: I would guess, well, some of that stuff survived as

520
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: in a museum. True, so you couldn't buy it, but

521
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: maybe we could, you know, bust it out.

522
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, we could break into the Smithsonian.

523
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: Get that ladder for you.

524
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: Just pass everything else by and go straight for the

525
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:46,959
Speaker 2: Hindenburg ladder.

526
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: That's it, that's all you want.

527
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 2: And I'd be like, I'd get it home and be like,

528
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 2: I don't even have bunk beds, So this is all

529
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 2: getting lots of press, like this is a big deal. Remember,

530
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 2: the Hindenburg was part of a playing Transatlantic fleece, so

531
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 2: this is big news. One thing that a lot of

532
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: people forget is that the Nazis were in charge of

533
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: Germany at the time. The Hindenburg was a German ship.

534
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 2: It was a civilian ship, but it still had big

535
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: fat swastikas on its tail fins. And as everyone knows,

536
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: the Hindenburg went up in flames. I think is no

537
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 2: coincidence that its tail went up in flames first, because

538
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 2: why wouldn't.

539
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: It, right, it's a good point. I didn't think about that. Actually.

540
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: So the Nazis were like, hey, we're trying to get

541
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 2: everybody a like us to psych them out, and let's

542
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: send the Hindenburg on a three day publicity tour around Europe. Essentially,

543
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: that was its maiden voyage in March of nineteen thirty six.

544
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, they did a lot of these little propaganda flights

545
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: and apparently the one that lifted off on May six

546
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: had some engine trouble. But they had had to skip

547
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: endurance test because of one of those propaganda flights.

548
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, they were like it'll be fine. Apparently, think

549
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: that they would have found the engine troubles, but The

550
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: Hindenberg made its first passage to America in May of

551
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty six, which is confusing because it was May

552
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: of nineteen thirty seven when it had its last Yeah,

553
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: its last voyage to America, so almost exactly a year

554
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: later in between its first trip to America and its

555
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 2: last trip to America. Yeah, it got me all throughout

556
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: researching this. Yeah for sure, Wait wait what how are

557
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: these people alive?

558
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: And then yeah, they completed thirty four flights in nineteen

559
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: thirty six, which included some of those propaganda flights, one

560
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: of which very famously at the nineteen thirty six Olympic

561
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: Games there in Berlin. And then you know, round trip

562
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: flights to America and then the one to Brazil that

563
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: you mentioned, and they had, you know, they were catering

564
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: like you mentioned the astors, you know, Nelson Rockefeller, the

565
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: head of Eastern's airline TWA pan Am Like. I think

566
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: they were kind of rubbing in the face of all

567
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: these early airlines, right saying, come fly on this super

568
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: slow but kind of awesome thing.

569
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: I wonder also if they were like, hey, don't you

570
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: guys want to start your own airship division. We'll sell

571
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: you theatirships, you know. Yeah, it could have also been

572
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: a little of both. Yeah, right, that millionaire's flight you mentioned,

573
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: Eddie Rickenbacher was also on that, and he's the American

574
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: flying ace from World War One who took down the

575
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 2: Red baron. Yeah, so I'm sure it was a tad

576
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 2: awkward around the other German military Nazi leaders who were

577
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: on that millionaire's flight too.

578
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well this guy, right.

579
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 2: So that was nineteen thirty six. It was a triumphant

580
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: year for the Hindenburg, and it had six more successful

581
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: flights in nineteen thirty seven. When it started, I say

582
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: we take a break and come back again, and things

583
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: just start to go poorly for the Hindenburg. How about that?

584
00:30:55,240 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: All right, we'll be right back, all right. I was

585
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: confused by the May stuff as well, because here we

586
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: are in May again, one year after the first commercial

587
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: passage in thirty six, all those successful flights. Later, the

588
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: seventh one of the new year, on May third, nineteen

589
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: thirty seven, Captain Max Press was at the Helm and

590
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: it lifted off there in Frankfurt headed toward Lake Hirst.

591
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: There's a naval air base there by the way, which

592
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: is why they kept going to suburban New Jersey.

593
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is kind of shocking. They were letting the

594
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: nazis land blimpse and at a naval air base in

595
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 2: New Jersey.

596
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this was still I mean, this was

597
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: just before they probably would have said no, right, right, Yeah,

598
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: So they got all the way there, they flew and

599
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: that's sort of the cruel tragedy of this is or

600
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: one of them is, you know, if there were any nerves,

601
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: they're like landing in New Jersey and they're like, this

602
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: is great. We made it. Everybody, we're all sort of drunk.

603
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: We put out our last cigars. It was a storm.

604
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: There was a storm happening, so they sort of delayed

605
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: the landing. They flew out over the ocean for a

606
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: few more hours. I imagine everyone got even more liquored up.

607
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: And then finally around seven pm, they descended in high

608
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: winds from about five hundred feet down down down to

609
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: a little under three hundred feet and they actually dropped

610
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: those mooring ropes, which turned out spoiler alert could have

611
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: caused this whole thing, and they secured those ropes at

612
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: seven twenty five. They secured those ropes to the ground

613
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: with their winch system, and in less than thirty seconds

614
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: it was all over.

615
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the ropes that bear this in mind, the

616
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 2: ropes had been dropped and touching the ground for at

617
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: least four minutes by this time, right, Yeah, so yes,

618
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 2: it took I think I saw thirty four seconds from

619
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: the time when the flames erupted to the time when

620
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: the entire thing was destroyed and crashed on the ground.

621
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: It went that fast, Like I said, the stern, the

622
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: tail of it caught fire first and the flames just

623
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: kind of blew through the envelope and came out the nose.

624
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 2: And what's just mind boggling is that as it landed

625
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 2: on the ground, because it was a light skeleton but

626
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 2: not something you would want to land on you. And

627
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 2: in fact, one of the ground crew died, yeah, from

628
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 2: the skeleton landing on him. People once it hit the ground,

629
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: people were running out of the flames and survived. They

630
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 2: were running for their lives and they actually made it,

631
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 2: which is crazy.

632
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Two, I mean, we'll go ahead and go with

633
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,959
Speaker 1: the numbers. Two thirds of the people basically survived. There

634
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: were ninety seven people on board total, thirty six passengers,

635
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: sixty one crew, and only thirty six people perished, thirteen

636
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: pass and twenty two crew and then the one ground

637
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: crew person that you were talking about, and very famously

638
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: it was it was called live by a Chicago radio

639
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: reporter named Herb Morrison. Yeah, and I think we should

640
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: either I'll either read it, well, I'll read it, but

641
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: hopefully we can replace it with the real thing, Like

642
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: surely this is like within the public domain, right.

643
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 2: I saw uncertain according to the Library of Congress.

644
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 1: All right, well shall I do it? Then?

645
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? Do it? Can you do a great HERD Morrison impression?

646
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: Though, I'll do my best. Weall.

647
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 2: Can you do it as Jim Morrison?

648
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: Maybe I should do it as Sammy Davis Junior, just

649
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 1: to give it some light.

650
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: I would love to hear that if you're okay.

651
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: No, no, I can't do that. That would be even

652
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: that this decades later, it would be disrespectful, I think.

653
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that hasn't been one hundred years.

654
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 1: No, all right, so here we go. This was Herb

655
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: Morrison's call, and this is what was played and literally

656
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: played in movie theater newsreels like the next day. So

657
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: it's all over the place, it's fire and it's crashing

658
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: it's burning, bursting into flames, and it's falling on the

659
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: mooring mast. This is the worst of the worst catastrophes

660
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: in the world. Oh, it's crashing, oh four or five

661
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: hundred feet into the sky, and it's a terrific crash.

662
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen. There's smoke and there's flames now and

663
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: the frame is crashing to the ground. Oh the humanity

664
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: and all the passengers screaming around here. I can't talk,

665
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. Honest. It is just laying there, a

666
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: massive smoking wreckage, and everybody can hardly breathe and talk. Honest,

667
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: I can hardly breathe. I'm going to step inside where

668
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: I cannot see it.

669
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 2: That was excellent. If you listen to herb Morrison actually

670
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 2: doing this, he's in between a lot of these sentences,

671
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, oh yeah, he is just completely overwhelmed.

672
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 2: It happens immediately the moment he sees those flames. He's

673
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: just completely overwhelmed. Go listen to her Morris and calling

674
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 2: that because it's just it's quite stirring. And he's the

675
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 2: one who gave us that phrase, Oh the humanity.

676
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently, and that's where that comes from I just

677
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: kind of want to do a straight reading. I didn't

678
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 1: want to do all the morning.

679
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: No, no, I mean, no one expected you to do that.

680
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: Well, I didn't want to arouse anybody.

681
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he've always got your eye like three steps ahead, man.

682
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: I hope so. But yeah, oh the humanity that had

683
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: never been said before? Is that true?

684
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if it had been said,

685
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 2: but certainly heard. Morrison was the one who popularized it.

686
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 2: Seems to me like everything that he said was just

687
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: pouring out of him without thinking. Yeah, so I would

688
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 2: guess that was just off the cuff for him.

689
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: Man, it's amazing. So again, only thirty six of the

690
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 1: ninety seven people aboard perished. Immediately, there were about fifteen

691
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: hundred US Navy personnel there that were, you know, all

692
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: of a sudden doing not much of a search but

693
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: just rescue attempts. And like I said, it was all

694
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: over the news the next morning, it was on movie

695
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: theater newsreels. Within hours of both American and German investigators

696
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: were there, and immediately theories started coming out kind of

697
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: left and right.

698
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is the thirties, everybody's already starting to

699
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 2: get wise to what the Nazis are like. There's also

700
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 2: communists running around, maybe even old school anarchists who like

701
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 2: to throw bombs. So the idea that it was this

702
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 2: act of sabotage was bandied about very quickly. Yeah. One

703
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: of the first people who had their eyes set on

704
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 2: them was a guy named Joseph Spee. Have you did

705
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 2: you see his professional name?

706
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 1: Oh no, I didn't. I saw he was an acrobat,

707
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: But he was an acrobat.

708
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: He was also an actor. He appears in Marathon Man.

709
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 2: Apparently he's the guy who dies in the car crash

710
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: that starts everything off.

711
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

712
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: His professional name as an acrobat was ben Dova. I'm

713
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 2: not kidding.

714
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: Oh wow, it's amazing.

715
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. So he I'm just gonna call him Bendover from

716
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: here on out.

717
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: Sounds like a Bart Simpson call into its stabborn totally does.

718
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 2: He was deemed suspicious by one of the stewards, a

719
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 2: German steward a board the Hindenburg, and apparently the German

720
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: steward told the authorities who are investigating this that he

721
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 2: found Joseph Bendova quote unsympathetic to airship travel like he

722
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: wasn't he wasn't just overjoyed or blown away by it apparently,

723
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 2: which is spoken like a true everyday fascist pos if

724
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: you think about.

725
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: It, Yeah, budd he might also have been like, I'm Bendova,

726
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: you think like you should see what I've seen exactly.

727
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 2: Well, that was one of the other things too, that

728
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: when he was being investigated, they were like, he's also

729
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 2: an acrobat. He could probably climb around into the Skelton

730
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 2: and plan a bomb. So apparently they found zero evidence

731
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 2: to that of like supporting him being a bomber whatsoever.

732
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have not seen the film from noineteen seventy

733
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 1: five with what's the guy's name Georgie Scott and Anne

734
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: Bancroft among others, but it seemed from the trailer that

735
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: they fully like just fictionalized, and that it was it

736
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: was a bomb and it was sabotage and that was

737
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 1: that was the movie.

738
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 2: Oh really, I didn't know that. That's lame.

739
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it looked like to me. And apparently

740
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: it was a fifteen million dollar movie at the time,

741
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: which was a lot of dope in nineteen seventy five

742
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: for a movie.

743
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 2: Sure, what was going on with blimps and disaster stuff

744
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 2: in the seventies, because there was also that movie Black Sunday.

745
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just the peak, it was peak disaster film,

746
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: so they were they were looking at all angles.

747
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 2: I think I should have guessed that there were other

748
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: people who were considered for sabotage anti Nazis. Sure there

749
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: was one that said the Zeppelin company and or the

750
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 2: Nazi Party blew up the ship for insurance money.

751
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was one.

752
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: It was. I think it was covered for fifteen million

753
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 2: dollars and according to Westig, that's about three hundred and

754
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 2: fifty five million dollars today.

755
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: Wow.

756
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: Do not think the Nazi Party would not have considered

757
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 2: doing that.

758
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, bombs being fired at

759
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: from below, from above. The one thing they do know

760
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: for sure is that the hydrogen was what caused it

761
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: to go up in flames in like thirty seconds. There

762
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: is no controversy about that. How that happened is still

763
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: not like for sure. Known witnesses said that as the

764
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: ship approached, it appeared to be glowing before the fire

765
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: even started, and so at the time scientists heard that

766
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: and they were like, oh, okay, well it gathered an

767
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: electrostatic charge because of these storms that were going on,

768
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: and that there was probably like a hydrogen leak and

769
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: that's what ignited the whole thing.

770
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: Right. The thing is is like that electrostatic charge, if

771
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: it had like sparked, it would have had to have

772
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 2: sparked exactly where that hydrogen leak was, and across an

773
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 2: eight hundred foot dirigible. The chance is of the spark

774
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: and the leak happening at the exact same spot are

775
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: pretty low, right, Yeah, I agree. So there's other theories

776
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 2: that tried to Basically, basically everyone agrees there was an

777
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 2: electrostatic charge. Somehow the electrostatic charge sparked, somehow that spark

778
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 2: set off the hydrogen explosion. Almost everyone agrees on that.

779
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,479
Speaker 2: But within that you still have a lot of room

780
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: to maneuver around and figure out, you know, what exactly

781
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: led to this disaster. And what's amazing is that we

782
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 2: still don't know today.

783
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there have been a lot of books written

784
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: about it over the year. There was one in nineteen

785
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: sixty two called who Destroyed the Hindenburg by AA Hurling

786
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: And they blamed a ground rigger named Eric Spell who

787
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: was actually on the crew. He was in inside the blimp,

788
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: and apparently blew it up to a pease or to

789
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: please his communist girlfriend. But I don't know if he

790
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: survived or not. But that doesn't make sense, and I

791
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: don't think there was any evans at all about that.

792
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 2: No, And now that I see Michael Mooney, he wrote

793
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 2: a book called The Hindenburg and that movie was based

794
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 2: on the Hindenburg and he basically used that theory. So

795
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: that's why they would have made it like a bombing.

796
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, he must have been the character in the movie

797
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: that I saw that was running around up to no good.

798
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 2: Ben Doova is a character in that movie. But he

799
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: goes by I think Joseph spiel I think.

800
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: Oh, this is a missed opportunity.

801
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 2: Oh for sure. Yeah. There's also a theory about incendiary paint,

802
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 2: which is basically a scientist from NASA named Addison Bain

803
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 2: who his career is based on creating hydrogen fuel propulsion

804
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 2: systems right, using hydrogen as fuel.

805
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's pro hydrogen very much.

806
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 2: So he had an idea that no, the hydrogen that

807
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: was secondary, that what really ignited first and then eventually

808
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 2: ignited the hydrogen was this coating on the outer shell

809
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 2: of the envelope which we talked about that kept the

810
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: sun's rays off and that that ignited. And he really

811
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: went to talent on this. Apparently he had a television

812
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 2: special and had to really work at getting an actual

813
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: piece of salvaged envelope from the Hindenburg. He burned it

814
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: on TV, but he really had to bend over, He

815
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: had to bendova backwards to get this thing to light.

816
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: So essentially his own demonstration proved to critics like, that's

817
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: that that theory's not doesn't hold hydrogen.

818
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was debunked. Boy, you were just

819
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: flying all over the place with these jokes in double

820
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: entendre's very impressive.

821
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 2: Thanks, I appreciate you noticing.

822
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: The giant capacitor theory. That was just like five years ago.

823
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: There's a Caltech professor named Constantinos Giappus, not sure where

824
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: he was from, but he offered a different take on

825
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: the ignition source. I think there was a pbshow Hindenburg

826
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: colon the new evidence and here was the deal. There was,

827
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: you know, the outer skin that we were talking about,

828
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: but that skin wasn't directly wrapped on the frame. It

829
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: had these little wooden spacers like hundreds, I would imagine

830
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: thousands of these things spacing it out so it didn't

831
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 1: actually touch the frame. And his proposal was that when

832
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: the ship dropped those ropes that we talked about, and

833
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: I said to put a pin in it, that the

834
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: space between the ship's skin collected a lot of positive

835
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: electrostatic charge during that storm, so that the area between

836
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: the skin and the metal frame collected electrons when the

837
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: ropes hit the ground, and it turned it into just

838
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: a big, basically a giant bomb, a big energy storing

839
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: capacitor that was dotted with these little capacitors like ignition points.

840
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 2: Essentially, Yeah, that's so, that's what his That's where we

841
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: were saying that the ignition point, the spark, and the

842
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: hydrogen leak being at the same spot was very unlikely.

843
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 2: And what Geoppis basically said was like, no, all those

844
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: spacers became capacitors themselves, and they were all soaring, all

845
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: this energy negative on the frame, positive on the skin,

846
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 2: and all it took was one spark for all of

847
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 2: them to start sparking. And if you have a hundreds

848
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 2: or like you said, thousands of little capacitors sparking at once,

849
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 2: it's going to blow up a hydrogen dirigible, and it's

850
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: going to do it pretty fast. And I said that

851
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 2: there was four minutes in between the time when they

852
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: dropped the mooring cables to the ground and the time

853
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 2: the Hindenburg blew up. And in one of the tests

854
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 2: that Giappus ran for Nova for this program, he basically

855
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: ran essentially the same situation that the Hindenburg would have

856
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 2: gone through under his theory, and it took four minutes

857
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 2: for it to develop enough of a charge for the

858
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 2: capacitor to spark.

859
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: So, yeah, he just sounds pretty good.

860
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like this one a lot too.

861
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's the most recent one, I guess the

862
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: others have been debunked, So yeah, you know, I'm bandwagoning

863
00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: admittedly for sure.

864
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 2: So one of the things that a lot of people

865
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 2: aren't aware of is that the Hindenburg when it went up,

866
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: not only did it immediately put an end to the

867
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 2: idea of transatlantic airship flights or airships in general, aside

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Speaker 2: kibosh on hydrogen as a fuel. That's why people like

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Speaker 2: Addison Bain in the nineties were coming up with these

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Speaker 2: these things trying to defend hydrogen. They're saying, no, it's safe,

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Speaker 2: it's safe, and people are like, did you see the Hindenburg.

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Speaker 2: You're a fool. And apparently it is safe in some

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there are new airships happening, and there's

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Speaker 1: you know, there's people working with hydrogen again, so it's

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Speaker 1: like enough time has passed to where they're looking into

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Speaker 1: this kind of thing again. I think the Pathfinder one.

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Speaker 1: Google co founder Sergey Brinn is the sort of brain

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Speaker 1: child behind that one. That thing is four hundred and

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Speaker 1: feet long, eight feet long, and I think is still

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Speaker 1: like none of these things are commercialized yet they're like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they all run on helium not hydrogen too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean hydrogen's being used for other things, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: that they're still I don't think they could ever use

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Speaker 2: We've talked about the Hindenburg before. It must have been

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Speaker 2: on like one of the videos we did, because I

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Speaker 2: remember us saying that none of the people who jumped, no,

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Speaker 2: none of the people who didn't jump died. That the

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Speaker 2: people who jumped from the Hindburg who died. That's not true.

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Speaker 2: That is a urban legend and we kept it going.

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Speaker 2: But this was fifteen years ago, so come on give

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Speaker 2: us a break.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, if you want to see parts of it,

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Speaker 1: I told you, you know, some in the Smithsonian, some

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Speaker 1: of the pieces of the ship, some of the luxury stuff,

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of like the Titanic survived. The National

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Speaker 1: Museum has some stuff. Obviously, the Air and Space Museum

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Speaker 1: have some stuff, and that's where you can see it.

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Speaker 1: Just keep your eyes, keep your eyes off that ladder.

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Speaker 1: That's for Josh.

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Speaker 2: Thanks man. I appreciate you looking out for me like that.

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Speaker 2: Since Chuck is looking out for me with Smithsonian artifacts,

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Speaker 2: that means obviously it's time for listener mail. Guys.

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Speaker 1: This is just a really nice email for Michael and Columbus, Ohio. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: just want to give you thanks for being one of

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Speaker 1: the learning in me and continues to spark my curiosity

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Speaker 1: every week. Josh, Chuck and team you guys rock. Thanks

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Speaker 1: from a twenty seven year old kid trying to figure

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Speaker 2: Live those really great Thanks a lot, Michael.

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Speaker 1: That inspires us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm inspired to go another eighteen years, Chuck, I

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Speaker 2: hope I live that long.

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Speaker 1: You better, man, I Well, I plan on it.

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Speaker 2: Uh okay. Well, if you want to be like Michael

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