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Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, am Bar Garcia, and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, September two, twenty twenty, Season sixteen, episode

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Speaker 1: number seventeen. Welcome to another edition of The Break. We

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Speaker 1: are alive. I am from the virtual s WB Mortgage

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Speaker 1: studios in my home, joined by Nick Eatman, Dave helm

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Speaker 1: and Amber Garcia. Nick's at the start to day although

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Speaker 1: the team's practicing in the afternoon today, camp is now

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Speaker 1: the season. But today we gotta show for you guys.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk a little bit about some injuries, some

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Speaker 1: guys that have not been practicing here over the last

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Speaker 1: few days. We'll also get to the fifty three man roster.

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Speaker 1: Have these guys pinned down for you? What you think

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Speaker 1: of training camp. How's everybody doing today? Wonderful, good, awesome.

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Speaker 1: Let's jump right in. Let's get into some of these injuries.

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Speaker 1: I think the most important one that we probably need

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Speaker 1: Amari hasn't really done much in a team setting since

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Speaker 1: They thought that Amari had been exerting himself plenty, and

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Speaker 1: have four tackles on this roster for sure. Amber I

428
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Speaker 1: think that this is a situation where they definitely look

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Speaker 1: into bringing someone else. I feel like, obviously we know

430
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Speaker 1: how Tyrant and Lyle Collins look like when they're healthy

431
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Speaker 1: and in delight, but we also got a preview of

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Speaker 1: what this offensive line could look like without those two guys.

433
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Speaker 1: We saw a lot of combination, different mixes of people

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Speaker 1: moving around the line and seeing what that looked like,

435
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,200
Speaker 1: and honestly, that didn't make me feel super super excited

436
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,640
Speaker 1: or comfortable with going into a real regular season game

437
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 1: with those guys. So I think that they need to

438
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 1: are They probably will look into someone else. I don't

439
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Speaker 1: know who all is out there and if they are

440
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Speaker 1: any better than what they already got, but as of

441
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,199
Speaker 1: right now, I think that they just need help at

442
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: the position. Nick Well, I think that it comes down

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Speaker 1: to how ready Camering is to play. Also, I mean,

444
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: not only has he has he been out, but we

445
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: really weren't told why he missed so much time, and

446
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 1: so is he a guy that could step right in

447
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: in play? Is he ready to do that? He hasn't

448
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 1: had much of a training camp and certainly hasn't played

449
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Speaker 1: any games. So yeah, I'd be looking at somebody else

450
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Speaker 1: if they were available just I mean just to upgrade

451
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 1: number one, but also you might need a guy that's

452
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Speaker 1: more ready to play. Based upon what Amber and Nick said,

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Speaker 1: how do you guys feel about the idea of having

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Speaker 1: a fourth tackle? I think Dave's already said he's in

455
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Speaker 1: on that. How do you guys feel about a fourth

456
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Speaker 1: and who would that person be? I love Brandon Knight

457
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Speaker 1: as the fourth tackle. I don't know if if he's

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Speaker 1: ready to be the third, but I like him as

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Speaker 1: the fourth. And if you get a guy that's better

460
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: than Cam Irving, then maybe you cut cam Irving. But

461
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Speaker 1: I'm keeping Brandon Knight as a developmental player who is

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Speaker 1: show some toughness. He's got versatility, position flex maybe to

463
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Speaker 1: play some guard if needed. I like Brandon Knight as

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Speaker 1: a fourth I'm keeping him. I'm okay with that. You

465
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Speaker 1: know what, it makes me wonder how difficult would it

466
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Speaker 1: be for the scouts to be able to look at

467
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Speaker 1: other guys as well that are out there in the league.

468
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Speaker 1: I mean, do you feel more comfortable keeping what you

469
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Speaker 1: already have and you know what you have, or do

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Speaker 1: you take a risk into bringing someone else that maybe

471
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Speaker 1: is I mean, when you talk about those kind of

472
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Speaker 1: back cups like that, you don't really you haven't really

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Speaker 1: seen much from people out there, so it's not like

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Speaker 1: a well known guy. So I don't know, what do

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Speaker 1: you guys think you do you take a chance and

476
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Speaker 1: risk it into bringing someone else, or do you stay

477
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Speaker 1: with well, you know, that's kind of my point. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. First of all, you know, this year,

479
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Speaker 1: more than any year, you just don't really have an

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Speaker 1: idea of what other guys are doing. And like I said,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I just I don't think they are going

482
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Speaker 1: to be as many, very many guys available that have

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Speaker 1: as much experience as cam Irving does. That doesn't make

484
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Speaker 1: him a cure all, but it does probably make him

485
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Speaker 1: the best available option. I would be pretty surprised if

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Speaker 1: there is a strikingly better tackle available this weekend. That

487
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Speaker 1: goes back to a point about the quarterback too, because

488
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Speaker 1: it's like, why do you keep being deduci I mean,

489
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Speaker 1: somebody gonna pick him up and actually put him on

490
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: their their fifty three man roster, like I don't know,

491
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: I mean, because they haven't seen him at all. So

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Speaker 1: I think you can get younger players through a little

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Speaker 1: bit more. That being said to answer her question, it's

494
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Speaker 1: gonna be really challenging to say, are I'm gonna take

495
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Speaker 1: this young guy that I just liked coming out of

496
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: college and putting him on my team. It's gonna have

497
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Speaker 1: to be a veteran player that you would say I've

498
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: seen him before, I had him before at another place.

499
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Speaker 1: So there's not a lot of rookies I think that

500
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Speaker 1: are going to be claimed like that. Yeah, it sounds

501
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: like what you guys are saying is veterans are premium

502
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: this year because of the limited amount of time they've

503
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Speaker 1: had to prepare in the offseason, which means there won't

504
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Speaker 1: probably be any good veterans on the street once these

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Speaker 1: cuts are made. All right, let's move on. Let's talk

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Speaker 1: about the guard position. We know Zach Martin, Connor Williams,

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Speaker 1: Connor McGovern make this team. I think we're all good here, right,

508
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: they're good. There? Three is all they need? You guys

509
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Speaker 1: good on that number? Um, well, I think, and I

510
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Speaker 1: assume you're gonna know Joe Looney and Tyler Battis. Adam

511
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 1: Redman does a little bit of everything. If they want

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Speaker 1: to go heavy, he could play, you know, he can

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00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: play all three interior positions. Like I said, if they

514
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: want an extra body, maybe you consider him. But yeah,

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00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: I think I think you're probably right. Yeah, that's interesting.

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Speaker 1: We're going talk about the center position. We know Joe

517
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: Looney is going to make the team obviously. I think

518
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: Tyler Briottish is another that we expect to make the team.

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Speaker 1: My question really is do you think they keep Adam

520
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: Redman because he does have that position flex for you

521
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: and he could play he could play both both center

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Speaker 1: and guard. What do you think, Amber? I think so,

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Speaker 1: And especially when going back to what you said of

524
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Speaker 1: all Mike McCarthy earlier, something that he keeps talking about

525
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: over and over when he comes to roster spots is

526
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Speaker 1: that flexibility. They want to have guys that have the

527
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: flexibility to be interchangeable in different positions when need it.

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Speaker 1: So when you got a guy like that that has

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Speaker 1: some kind of experience and you know what he can

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Speaker 1: do and help you're in, I think you can definitely

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Speaker 1: keep a guy like that just for emergency. Nick, you know,

532
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 1: I'm actually going back to the guard position just now,

533
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: because let's not overlook the fact that Connor McGovern hasn't

534
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: played a football game in over two years since he

535
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: played at Penn State, So to have him as your

536
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: backup guard on game day and if something were to happen. Oh,

537
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: by the way, you just got to face Aaron Donald.

538
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: I mean I'm a little bit concerned by that, just

539
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: because he hasn't played, and so I wonder if something

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Speaker 1: were to happen, is it better to put be honest

541
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Speaker 1: at center and lunient guard at this point, I don't know.

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00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if McGovern's ready. So that makes me

543
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: kind of hesitant a little bit about saying we're good

544
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Speaker 1: with the three guards. Wait, but are you saying that

545
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: Connor mcgovernor doesn't make this team? No, no, no, but

546
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: he is he ready to back up both guard spots

547
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: in if needed. He hasn't played since a bowl game

548
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: at Penn State, and so I just and that was

549
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: two years ago. So I don't know. It goes back

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Speaker 1: to to the same point that you're making. I mean,

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00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: it's Tyler Biat is ready to be a center, you know,

552
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: if you move Joe Lunia, I mean, uh yeah, without either.

553
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: I don't feel comfortable either, I don't. I mean, that's

554
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: not about being comfortable, and this is this twenty twenty.

555
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: There's nothing comfortable about this year at all. So I'm

556
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: just saying he's not as far removed from playing football

557
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: as McGovern. I just wonder what your best options. You're

558
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: trying to get five five best players out on the field,

559
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: and I don't know if McGovern would be that if

560
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: there would be an injury. I don't know. I think

561
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: y'all are kind of out of the nature of the

562
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: NFL in twenty twenty. I mean, that's that's the NFL.

563
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: I mean, how many positions are you going to lose

564
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: a guy and feel comfortable about who's replacing him. I mean,

565
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: you're very lucky, you know. I think you could probably

566
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Speaker 1: say that about running back and to some degree, receiver,

567
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: depending on how many injuries you're dealing with. But when

568
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: you when guys get hurt, you're probably not going to

569
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: feel great about your options. But we're going to say,

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00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: of all the players on the team that are gonna

571
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: make the team, let's say you put fifty three fifty

572
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: five guys out there. Of the players you know nothing about,

573
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: don't you think Connor McGovern's right at the top of

574
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Speaker 1: that list, Or you're like, I really don't know anything

575
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: about this guy. I think you can make the same argument,

576
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Speaker 1: as Amber was saying with Tyler Beiodis, I don't think

577
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Speaker 1: you really know a lot about him. He's a rookie,

578
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: he's just coming in. He hasn't had an offseason. I

579
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Speaker 1: think you say that about him. I think you say

580
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: that about Gallimore. I think you can say that about

581
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Speaker 1: if you think Bradley and like, go down the list

582
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Speaker 1: of all the rookies except for the top two, I

583
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: think you could probably make the same argument about any

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Speaker 1: one of those guys because you just haven't seen enough

585
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: to know whether they're in. But they don't have as

586
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: much rust as this guy. That's what I'm saying. He

587
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: hasn't played in two years, so yeah, he might be

588
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: he might be better, But I'm just saying it's been

589
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: a long time since he's done anything, and I don't know.

590
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: I don't know what to expect from him. Yep. I

591
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: think the strategy they're going to have is cross their

592
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: fingers and pray that neither one of their guards goes

593
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Speaker 1: down when they got to face Aaron Donald, because it

594
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,239
Speaker 1: will be a rough day for whoever is out there

595
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: by the way, it'll be a rough day for It'll

596
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: be a rough day for either one of the starters

597
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: to Aaron Donald's just a handful, you know. So, I mean,

598
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: you just pray that those guys don't go down, and

599
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: if they do, then I think Conor mc govern's gonna

600
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: get thrown in and they're just gonna see what he

601
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: can do. That's putting it nice. Aaron Donald's a handfuls

602
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: like saying we've had some missions this year. All right,

603
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: let's move on. Let's talk about the defensive side of

604
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: the ball. We're gonna flip over to start with a

605
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,239
Speaker 1: defensive line. My assumption is they're going to carry at

606
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: least ten defensive linemen. I'm gonna throw you eight names

607
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: that I think are for sure going to make this team.

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00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: You guys, tell them if you agree with that, and

609
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: then tell me, if it's two more, who the two

610
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: that you'll take. So I think it's DeMarcus Lawrence, Alden Smith,

611
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: Everson Griffin, Tyron Crawford, Don Terry Poe, Tristan Hill, Antoine Woods,

612
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: Neville Gallimar. That leads two more spots, and you'll have

613
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: to choose between Bradley and I, Joe Jackson, Rondelle Carter,

614
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Speaker 1: Ladarius Hamilton, and Dorance Armstrong. Do you guys agree with

615
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: the eight And if so, do you think if they're

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00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: gonna get to two, how many more or who those

617
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: two names that you take to get you to ten.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with you, Dave. I mean, I don't disagree

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Speaker 1: with your list, but I I'm I think Bradley and

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Speaker 1: I's a lock. Honestly, you know, he's a he's a

621
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: rookie draft pick. Teams don't like to cut draft picks.

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00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: He's also kicked some ass, I mean, and don't get

623
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: me wrong, I don't you know. I don't think he's

624
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: gonna get a ton of playing time as a rookie,

625
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: but he's done more than enough to deserve a roster spot.

626
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: And he's done more than enough, which you know obviously

627
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: other teams haven't seen this. But I would be afraid

628
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: of trying to get him through waivers, that's for sure.

629
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Speaker 1: So I consider him a lock. And then for me,

630
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Speaker 1: you know when you told me we were doing this,

631
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Speaker 1: I spent some time last night. I think it's probably

632
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: between Doran's Armstrong and Joe Jackson. If they keep ten,

633
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: that's my guests. So if they keep a tenth guy,

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00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: I think it would be one of those two and

635
00:32:53,160 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: I would probably lean toward Doran's nick. I like the eight.

636
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I think eight is good, And yeah, I

637
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: would say a nine makes it with the ninth guy,

638
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: and I think I'm done there because you know, it

639
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Speaker 1: looks like they're gonna play a lot of three four

640
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: So when you think about three down linemen, I mean,

641
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: you know, do you need more than I understand some

642
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: of those guys are playing linebacker and pass rush and

643
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: all that, but I just don't see the need to

644
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: have that many guys. Armstrong or Jackson. It would be

645
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: it'd be a flip. It would be the guy that

646
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: could be a little bit more versatile as a stand

647
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: up player. But I could see Armstrong, I guess making it.

648
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm and wait, is there anybody getting

649
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: suspended to start the year? I mean it seems like this,

650
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: well this would be the first year in like seven

651
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: years we don't have a defensive end starting the year suspension, right,

652
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: I think we're going to break unless unless they move

653
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: back around on Crawford, I think we're good. There's been

654
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: a bad boy in Florida. If Jerry, if Jared would

655
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: stop talking about that, you know how to let it lie, right,

656
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: you know. That's a good point of though. Also about Crawford,

657
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,280
Speaker 1: and that's what makes him so good with the position

658
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: flex is that's like having two guys at one. I

659
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: don't think you need to have ten when you have

660
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: a guy like Crawford who could play multiple spots. Griffin's

661
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 1: playing multiple spots. So give me, give me nine with

662
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: a nine and I think we're good. And yeah, you know,

663
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 1: it's you have to cut ties. I guess with Jackson

664
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: and Armstrong a couple of picks, but they've had some

665
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 1: time to do something and they really haven't. Amber Um.

666
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: I agree with everything they just said, both Dave and Nick.

667
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: I think that out of those two, it just depends

668
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: what they decide to do on other positions. But if

669
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: they were to keep that extra guy, I think out

670
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: of those two would just be Dorian's Armstrong. I don't

671
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: think there is a full need for it, but it

672
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: just I guess he's one of those that what do

673
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: they do at other positions? All right, let's flip over

674
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: to the linebacker position. Right now, the Cowboys have what

675
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: I would think are gonna be six spots. There are

676
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: seven linebackers on the roster currently, question is are they

677
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: going to keep a seventh? Are they gonna stick with six?

678
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: We know Jalen Smith, Layton Vanderess, Shaun Lee are definitely

679
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: on this team. Question becomes what happens with the other

680
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: three spots? Yes, Dave, Sorry, I you know, one of

681
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: the fun things about doing the show on our phones

682
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 1: is that I can't look at it, which apparently they

683
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: have released Adam Redmond while we've been on the show,

684
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: So okay, never made it easy. Yeah, yeah, so I

685
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: guess they don't feel that way, which, yeah, so I

686
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: would imagine maybe you go nine, No Lineman, best of

687
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 1: luck to Adam Redmond. I think Clayton Thorson was also

688
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: released today, So yeah, sorry that we were on the

689
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: show while that happened. Everybody anyway, all right, So you know,

690
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 1: so going back to know what's happening, you're real quick.

691
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 1: You know what's happening is they out a practice here

692
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: for three three more days for the cutdown day. They

693
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: know what they want to do. And this is a

694
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: big difference between what you've seen other coaching staffs. The

695
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: previous staff is they wouldn't necessarily do this. This team

696
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: is like, all right, we know we're not going to

697
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: have him, don't let him get hurt and do an

698
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: injury settlement and stuff like that. Let's go ahead and

699
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: start cutting down the roster since we already know what

700
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: we want to do. It's kind of I don't know

701
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: what y'all think about that, but at least that's kind

702
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: of refreshing to me. They go ahead and start doing that.

703
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: It's amazing they you know, under Jason Garrett, they used

704
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: to wait until like Saturday night, and yeah, I mean,

705
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: if you know what you want to do, get it

706
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: out of the way. And also maybe give a guy

707
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: like Adam Redman an opportunity to talk to some teams

708
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: before you know, everything gets crazy. That's exactly right. The

709
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: sooner he's out there, the sooner teams can evaluate him

710
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: and determine whether he's better than what they have. Gives

711
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 1: him an opportunity maybe to get on another team. This

712
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: is great for players. I think, Yeah, all right, so

713
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: let's get back to linebackers. I think Jalen Smith, Layton Vanderess,

714
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: Sean Lee locks to make the team. I think there

715
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 1: are three one spots up for grab, Joe Thomas, Justin March,

716
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: Luke Gifford and Francis Bernard, Do you keep six or seven?

717
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: And who are the guys that you keep out of

718
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: those final guys? Let's start first with you Amber Um.

719
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: Let's see, man, I think hmm, okay, I think I'm

720
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: ready to say bye to Louk Giffer. That was my guy.

721
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: But honestly, this this time has been so crucial for

722
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: the for this year, you just cannot miss any practice time.

723
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: And I think that Francis Bernard, and I know Nick

724
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: has been talking about him, but he's definitely a guy

725
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: that just came in and started making his name known

726
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: out there on the field. I think he took that spot.

727
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: I would keep, all right, you said, Layton, Jalen, Shaun Lee.

728
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: I would say, Joe Thomas, Francis Bernard. And do you

729
00:37:54,440 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: really need yes, I guess justin March, I mean you

730
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: don't really, it's not I guess you basically keep the

731
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: whole group except for one guy pretty much. Here here's

732
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 1: the thing. Here's the thing about it. The one position

733
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: that linebackers kind of mirror from the offensive side of

734
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: the ball is a fullback and or tied end maybe.

735
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: And the fact that you don't have that many physical

736
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: players at full you don't have a fullback. Really that

737
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: is gonna make it you're you're you're tight ends. Dalton

738
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: Schultz is not really a thumper, you know, type of

739
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: blocker at all. Uh So you need maybe you needed

740
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: a little bit more linebackers to make up for that

741
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 1: on the special team's part, because you're not really getting

742
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: that on the offensive side of the ball. So I

743
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: think to answer your question about March, yeah, I think

744
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: you do need to keep justin March. I think you

745
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: do need to keep u is it Francis Bernard? Is

746
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 1: that his name, Bernard Francis, I don't know. I'll tell

747
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: you this. I almost hit him. I almost hit him

748
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: with my truck in the parking lot two days ago.

749
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: We wouldn't even truck, but I'm saying it was kind

750
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: of a mess down there and he was walking by.

751
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: I know it was him because it was the hair,

752
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: and almost hit him. But you know, so we almost

753
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: weren't even talking about this, but that didn't happen. They

754
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: right now, is they've right now is wrapping up exactly

755
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: what all of us are thinking, just like, no, please

756
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: don't hit him, Please don't hit please don't hold Francis Bernard.

757
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: I told Dave, No, you did. I really I think

758
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: five of there's five locks. In my opinion, I think

759
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas makes this team for you know, if you

760
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: have a capable starter as a fourth linebacker, that's wonderful depth.

761
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: Francis Bernard hasn't done more than enough to make the team.

762
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: I've got justin March making it. Maybe they like Gifford more,

763
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: It's hard to imagine that they do, since Gifford has

764
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: been sidelined. I would guess six, and I leaned toward March. Yeah.

765
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: I think it's a general consensus among you guys is

766
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: probably gonna be six. The only reason I would caution

767
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: for seventh is I do wonder how much that factors

768
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: into special teams when you look at the fact that,

769
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: as we talked about earlier, if a fullback doesn't make

770
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: this team, and let's assume they only keep three tight ends,

771
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: maybe they go with the fourth, but let's assume maybe

772
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: they do three. I think they're gonna need some more

773
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: big bodies that are athletic that they can throw out

774
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: on special teams. And I do think this team is

775
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: going to be very, very cautious and thoughtful about what

776
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: they do as far as making their final fifty three

777
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: man roster, and how it affects special teams. I know

778
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: not all coaching staffs do that, but every indication is

779
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: that they will do that. It makes me wonder how

780
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: those how those will be tied together. If they decide

781
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: to only go three at tight end and no fullback,

782
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: do you go with the seventh linebacker to give you

783
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: a little better, a little bit of extra help on

784
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: special teams. I'll throw that back out to you, guys.

785
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: What do you think about that analysis? Well, I was

786
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: gonna say, you know we were talking. Oh sorry, Nick,

787
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: go ahead, you know what I want to say that.

788
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: I'm not implying anything. I'm not trying to start anything.

789
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: But are we sure that Sean Lee is a lock?

790
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: I mean, when you ask what's even Jones was asked

791
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 1: about him, he said he could put a coach, You

792
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: could put a coaching, you know, cap on him in

793
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: a whistle right now. It was a kind of a

794
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: weird answer. He hasn't practiced much. I'm just saying I

795
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on with him. I mean, I'm

796
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: not implying I don't know anything. He might They might

797
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: just be getting him ready to play the season getting

798
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: him healthy because he knows how to get his body ready.

799
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: But it wouldn't be the biggest shock in the world

800
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,959
Speaker 1: if for some reason Sean Lee isn't on the roster

801
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: and maybe has a different role. Again, I know nothing

802
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 1: all about what I've seen and what I heard recently

803
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 1: on the radio. For what Stephen said, it just sounded

804
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: weird to me. I would be shocked, I'll say this,

805
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: I absolutely would be two. And based upon what you

806
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: guys were saying early in the show with regards to

807
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: the premium that you'll have on Veterans this year, I

808
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: think that is even more reason why I think he

809
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: makes this team. And quite frankly, I look at it

810
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: as it goes back to the first conversation we had

811
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: on this show. We were talking about injuries and talking

812
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: about how it seems like, at least from from what

813
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: Jerry's been saying or what he said in this most

814
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: recent interview about Amari, that this team is looking at

815
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 1: the analytics and trying to figure out how they best

816
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: integrate guys in, how they best pull them back, all

817
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: the things that they need to do from the analytics

818
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: that helped them be more predictive about how injuries could

819
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: happen and try to guard guys from that. I think

820
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: that's why they haven't seen as much of Sean Lee personally. Again,

821
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: that's not based upon anything that I've heard. It's just

822
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 1: based upon kind of you put all these things together

823
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: and start reading the tea leaves. I think it's much

824
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: more about the fact they're trying to keep him from

825
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: injury then he's injured, or that he's gonna, you will

826
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: be a problem for him this season. You can base

827
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: it on things that you've heard. I don't remember when

828
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: Stephen did another interview. Obviously, Stephen and Jerry Jones talk

829
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: like five times a week. Stephen said, you know, very

830
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: early on in camp, you know, he said, Mike McCarthy

831
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: had this funny line about, like, you know, we're not

832
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: worried about August eighteenth, we're worried about September thirteenth. And

833
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: that's exactly that's the vibe that I give for Sean Lee. Absolutely.

834
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy you don't need to worry about

835
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: him getting practice reps, especially since you're not looking at

836
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: him to start, you know, you're not asking him to

837
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: play sixty five snaps a game, So I think the

838
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: plan with Sean is just to have him ready for

839
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: the season and not really worry about a whole lot else. Yeah,

840
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: I will say this, if you get to week five

841
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: or six of this season and you sustain an injury

842
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 1: to one of your two top linebackers, of all the

843
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: guys that are left, I would love more than any

844
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 1: of the others to throw Sean Lee in there as

845
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: my starter at that point. So I think for that

846
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: reason alone, he's the guy that makes this team. All Right,

847
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: we're gon take our final break. When we come back,

848
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: Let's jump into the defensive backs. We'll talk about them

849
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: a bit, then we'll wrap up training camp. Will do

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Speaker 1: studios at the Star. Nick's at the Star. We've got

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Speaker 1: Amberg Dave at their homes. We're gonna wrap this thing

889
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: up talking about the insive backs for the Dallas Cowboys,

890
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: who we think will make the team. I think there

891
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: will be ten. That's the magic number. The guys I

892
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: think that are locks are Cheetah, bay A Woozia, Jordan Lewis,

893
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown, Trevon Diggs, Darryl Worley, Darian Thompson, Xavier Woods, Haha,

894
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: Clinton Dix. That gives us eight. We got two more spots.

895
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: Who do you think makes the final or do you

896
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: think that numbers should be higher or Lord, we've got

897
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 1: c J. Goodwin, Donovan Wilson, Reggie Robinson, Chris Westry, Xavion Smith,

898
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: Deontay Burton, and Luther Kirk. Let's start first with you, Dave.

899
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: What do you do with the defensive backpotition? I don't

900
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: think you can rule out the possibility that they keep eleven.

901
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: And I know that's a lot, but it speaks to

902
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: how few proven things they have back there, and how

903
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: many you know, guys they have competings. You know, I

904
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 1: wrote this down. I think there's five locks at cornerback

905
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: Cheeto Brown, Diggs, Jordan and Warley. And then at safety,

906
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: I've got Xavier Thompson, Hah, Reggie Robinson and Donovan Wilson.

907
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 1: And then you can't forget you know. I'm not looking

908
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: to him to play cornerback, but we brave every year

909
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: about CJ. Goodwin's abilities as a special teamer. So that's

910
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: a name that I think is worth considering. That's probably it,

911
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: though I know, you know, people love Chris Westley. I'm

912
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: not sure I see that, but if they really love

913
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: what Goodwin brings to their special teams, maybe they keep eleven. Okay, Amber,

914
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 1: I agree with Dave Honestly, I wasn't thinking about them

915
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: keeping eleven guys, but his recently makes perfect sense. So

916
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: I'm all in with Dad. There's so many guys that

917
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 1: are just like kind of right there with each other,

918
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 1: and you know, I was really concerned about Jordan Lewis

919
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: and the fact that he was missing so much time

920
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,919
Speaker 1: on my old man. I hope that none of these

921
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 1: guys come and kind of pass his how do you say?

922
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: Get better and then you you're leaning more towards a

923
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,959
Speaker 1: different guy and kind of forget about Jordian Lewis because

924
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 1: I've always loved what Jordan Lewis can do, but looking

925
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: at it and being at the end of Camp, I

926
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: don't think there was any guy that actually was able

927
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: to do that, and Jordan Lewis has the experience and

928
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: out of that, I think you guys mentioned all the

929
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: name I got right here, Darian Thompson, Cheeta, Xavier Jordan's

930
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: ha ha, Darley Worley, who to me has been pretty impressive. Honestly,

931
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting him to be so to do the

932
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 1: kind of job that he's done. Anthony Brown, Digs, Donovan Wilson,

933
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 1: and then Reggie Robinson, so I'm not ten guys there.

934
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: You take, you take Wilson and Robinson, those are your

935
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:52,919
Speaker 1: final two if they only stick with ten. Yeah, okay, CJ.

936
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: Goodwin would be out for you, correct, CJ. Goodwin. I

937
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: guess if they do keep ten guys like Dave said,

938
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't mind that at all. But out of

939
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: those guys, like after those, there's no one else that

940
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: honestly did enough for me. I want to throw this

941
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: out there. Oh yeah, lett, Nick, go, but I want

942
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: to throw something out there. Okay, Nick? Well, first of all,

943
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: as I say this, Dave, can we confirm does Devin

944
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 1: Smith also been released as well? Smith has also been there? Yeah? Yeah,

945
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: they really timed this perfectly for us. Yeah, Devin Smith

946
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 1: is gone, so not a huge surprise. Like I said,

947
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: I would have liked to keep him, but oh well, Um.

948
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: The thing is is that we get to this point

949
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: of doing the roster, it's like, what's the number? Like,

950
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: I mean, how many are you? Are you keeping track? Derek?

951
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: I mean, what what what are we at with keeping tracking?

952
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: So we're gonna go back and do that. Tell me

953
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 1: what you think about this these guys, and then we'll

954
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: go back and do that Um, I just eleven seems

955
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: too many for me, and Goodwin would be a lot

956
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: higher on my list to make sure that I get

957
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: in here again. I'm not trying to cut a bunch

958
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: of veterans. I'm just not trying to lock them. I mean,

959
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if ha Ha is he is he

960
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: a lock? I don't know that. I mean he hasn't

961
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: been playing now with Xavier Woods banged up, probably to

962
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: stay on the roster here. But I mean he was

963
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: brought in here to compete, I mean, to get a

964
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: starting job, and he hasn't necessarily done that. So do

965
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: you need him? Donald Wilson and Renci Robinson. Robinson hasn't

966
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: done much of anything. You're just hoping that he will

967
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: at some point. But if Maurice Kennedy opting out like that,

968
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: I think CJ. Goodwin, I think he is close to

969
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: a lot to make the team, honestly, So are you

970
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: saying that you don't you wouldn't necessarily think that there's

971
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: going to beat ten. You think because we had eight

972
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: that we thought were locks, you're saying you don't even

973
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: think Ha has as much of a lock. But CJ

974
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: would replace him as a lock. So you're saying that,

975
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: you're saying at this point nine, maybe go a number end.

976
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: I'd go with I'd go with ten. If I could

977
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: fit ten in, I would go with ten. So who's

978
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: your tenth If you're gonna keep and you're gonna have CJ.

979
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: Goodwin out of Donovan Wilson, Reggie Robinson, Chris Westry, who

980
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: is your your last guy? I go with Wilson and

981
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: I'm cut him a fourth round pick. I'd be a

982
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: big move. I haven't. I mean, I haven't seen that

983
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: since maybe two thousand and six. Skyler Green. Yeah, I

984
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 1: can't remember that many fourth round picks being cut, But

985
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. He probably wouldn't pass Raver in my

986
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 1: time here, I don't. That would signal. That would signal

987
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: a pretty big shift. I mean that would say something

988
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: about Mike McCarthy to me, because in the time that

989
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: I've been here, and in the time that Will McClay

990
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: has been running the draft, they haven't I think a

991
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: fifth rounder is the highest drafted guy that they've cut. Rookie. Yeah,

992
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: you know what you can't do that, you can't cut him.

993
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what he's had eighteen practices. I mean,

994
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: you should have that eighteen practices before you go to

995
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: training camp. He hasn't had that. They drafted him in

996
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: the fourth round of what they knew of him. I

997
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: don't think things have changed. So okay, I gotta you

998
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: gotta take him back. He's gotta be you gotta go

999
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: with eleven if I could fit eleven, or maybe you

1000
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: don't have to keep that other safety. You don't have

1001
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: to keep Donald Wilson or ha. Here's this is what

1002
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up, And I mean, I think

1003
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 1: the Xavier Woods injury probably helps haha, but I definitely

1004
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: don't think that that's a guarantee. But the other thing

1005
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: is this is maybe a spot where you could get

1006
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: away with trading a guy on Saturday. You know, I

1007
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: was the first one to say I wasn't convinced Trayvon

1008
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: Diggs could be a starter from the get I have

1009
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: completely changed my mind. He absolutely looks like he's capable

1010
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 1: of starting from day one. So, I mean, I love

1011
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis, but if somebody wanted him and you could

1012
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: get something for him, that's something to look at. And

1013
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: I think he's had a really good camp. But Darryl

1014
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: Worley is another one. His versatility would make me reluctant

1015
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: to do that. But if somebody wanted to send me

1016
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: a fullback or a sixth round pick or something like that,

1017
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: I would consider it. Would you be willing to go

1018
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: with Anthony Brown? Trade Anthony Brown if that were available

1019
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 1: to you. I just don't know Anthony Brown's I mean,

1020
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: it's not the biggest contract in the world, but he's

1021
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: on a three year, fifteen million dollar deal. So I

1022
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: need something, you know, I can trade Jordan Lewis First,

1023
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: it's more about for you. It's more about the fact

1024
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: that Jordan's Jordan's in the last year of his deal.

1025
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 1: That's more that it takes you for you, right, And

1026
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, if if somebody wants to give

1027
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 1: me a sixth round or seventh round pick for Jordan,

1028
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: I say, yeah, that's probably fair because he's only got

1029
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: one year left on his deal. I mean, if I'm

1030
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: trading Anthony Brown, I'd better be getting something better than that.

1031
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: And I don't know who's going to be willing to

1032
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: part with something better than that. Okay, so let's wrap

1033
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: this whole thing up the way it looks right now,

1034
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: based upon the numbers that we've all agreed on, and

1035
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 1: that's assuming that they're gonna be at at least ten

1036
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 1: defensive backs. It gets us to a total of fifty

1037
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: guys that are currently that we think currently would be

1038
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: on the roster. So you've got three spots and you

1039
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: get to choose from these players. Right, you got the fullback,

1040
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: You've got the two running backs Anderson and Dowdell. You

1041
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: have a sixth wide receiver in John Vay Johnson or

1042
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,439
Speaker 1: Vintel Bryant. You've got an eleventh defensive lineman which would

1043
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: be between Joe Jackson, Rondelle Carter, Ladarius Hamilton, or Dorance Armstrong.

1044
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,720
Speaker 1: You have a seventh linebacker which would be Luke Gifford.

1045
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 1: And you have an eleventh defensive back which would be

1046
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: between Donovan Wilson, Reggie Robinson Chris Westry. Where do you go?

1047
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: Who are those three extra players that you that you

1048
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: put on your team. Let's start first with you, Nick,

1049
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: and how many defensive backs do we have? At this point?

1050
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: I think we settled. We settled on ten, which meant

1051
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: that we were gonna make CJ. Goodwin, Donovan Wilson, and

1052
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: Reggie Robinson. Two of those three We're gonna make it

1053
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: so you could take the third of that group or

1054
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: Chris Westry right to get you to eleven, you gotta

1055
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: keep Reggie Robinson, now change from mine there, so I gotta,

1056
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: I gotta ki it'd be good with Wilson. Reggie Robinson's

1057
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: that's one of your spots. You got two more? Yeah,

1058
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: I let them pick those. We gotta we gotta each

1059
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 1: got three spots. I'll pick one. I'll take Reggie Robinson,

1060
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 1: all right, Dave between Luke Gifford and Joe Jackson Vintel Bryant. No, No,

1061
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cheat because if that's the case, like it'll

1062
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: there will be a guy or two here that wasn't

1063
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: at camp. That's the way it always goes. Um whether

1064
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: that's that's gonna be ye, I'm gonna guess. I'm gonna

1065
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 1: guess it'll be on offense. I mean they've I mean,

1066
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: defense is crowded anyway, So I'm gonna guess, Uh, one

1067
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: way or another, they're gonna add a extra running back

1068
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: slash fullback or a fourth tight end who can do

1069
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: that type of stuff. Um, Yeah, that's my guess, is

1070
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:59,240
Speaker 1: somebody on offense that can contribute to the blocking aspect

1071
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 1: of everything all right, Amber, So what where are we

1072
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: at now? Basically, I need you to give me one

1073
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: player out of all of those that hasn't been selected

1074
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: that you think will make this team. So you had

1075
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: the fallback, You had the two running backs Anderson Dowdle.

1076
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: You had the two receivers John Vay Johnson and Vintel Bryant.

1077
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: You had some of the defensive lineman Joe Jackson, Dorance Armstrong,

1078
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: you had Luke Gifford Um and you had Chris Westry.

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00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: Those are guys you're choosing from. Well now, with hearing

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00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: that Demon Smith was cut, I mean, do you now

1081
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: decide to keep jump bad Johnson? That would have been

1082
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: my next guy out of the group. I know, Um,

1083
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: I've seen some things from benel Brian, but I wasn't

1084
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 1: too crazy honestly about him. And now with the injury,

1085
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,359
Speaker 1: I don't want to deal with anyone that's starting off

1086
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: the season with injury. Like I'm sorry, but stop it,

1087
00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: stop it. Don't even say a poor guy. A poor guy.

1088
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: He has such a great spirit. He stands out there

1089
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: with his helmet on even though he's not doing anything,

1090
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 1: but he has the helmet on and he's out there

1091
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: in the bag kind of going through the motions even

1092
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: though he's not doing much. But out of those guys,

1093
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: I think I would add did you say Donovan Wilson, Yes,

1094
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: he's already we're saying he's already on the team. Okay,

1095
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: if that's assuming that C J. Goodwin and Reggie Robinson.

1096
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: Basically you can take all three of those guys if

1097
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: you want to use one of that, would I would?

1098
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,479
Speaker 1: I think that there would be some other guys coming

1099
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: from other teams, But based on what we currently have

1100
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: on this roster, if I had to choose out of

1101
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: those guys, I think I would keep those three guys

1102
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: because the secondary is just full of question marks. So

1103
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: out of those, I just think we just need the bodies.

1104
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: So it looks like under those circumstances, based on what

1105
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: you guys have all said, cowboys will give up on

1106
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: Joe Jackson, Dorance Armstrong, they would give up on Luke Gifford,

1107
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: they give up on Chris Westry. Those are the names

1108
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: that I think would be the most notable among the cuts.

1109
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 1: Based upon what you guys are saying, you guys all

1110
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: cool with that, Yeah, and remember about about you can

1111
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: say give up on Doran's armstrong and give up on

1112
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: Joe Jackson. This team went ahead and signed Everson Griffin.

1113
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: They went out and got Alden Smith, absolutely drafted Bradley

1114
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: and I I mean like they did those things, you know,

1115
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: in the offseasoning knowing very well that Joe Jackson, dorn

1116
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: Troms Traum were on the team. So you know, it's

1117
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: not so much giving up. It's just that they had

1118
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: to protect themselves. And I don't think they've done anything

1119
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: to say, whoa you know what about me? So I

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00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: think I think you do have to move on. All

1121
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: right With that, We're gonna wrap the show. We'll be

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Speaker 1: back next week. Actually next week we start our daily shows.

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Speaker 1: We'll be at on next Tuesday. Our show will be

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Speaker 1: at eleven thirty every single week day, So starting next

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Speaker 1: to make Tuesday, make sure you jump in and join us.

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Speaker 1: We'll be starting to get you guys ready for Cowboys

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Speaker 1: Versus Rams. That'll be week one of the NFL seats.

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Speaker 1: Until then, for Nick Eatman, Dave Helman, Amber Garcia, I

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Speaker 1: am Derek Eackleton. This has been the Break live on

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