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Speaker 2: The Catholic Church, dear listener, has a new leader. His

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Speaker 2: name is Pope Leo the fourteenth, and yes he speaks Spanish.

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Speaker 1: Donte un pueblo fell campagnado, aspo a compartidoe yadado, tanto

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Speaker 2: Papaleon is the first ever pope from the United States.

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Speaker 2: So when he addressed the massive crowd in Vatican City

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Speaker 2: Latino Usa, I'm Mariano Rosa. Today the unexpected pick of

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Speaker 2: an American pope.

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Speaker 3: Becose.

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Speaker 4: It is certainly it looks like white smoke.

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Speaker 2: That means there is a cardinal who.

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Speaker 5: Is now a pope, A Sir Gaudi Manu ma'am our

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Speaker 5: babu spa ma'am.

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Speaker 2: On May eighth, in Vatican City, the second pope from

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Speaker 2: the Americas emerged on the balcony at Saint Peter's Basilica and.

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Speaker 6: Where history has been made. Today with the election of

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Speaker 6: sixty nine year old Robert Francis Prevost born in Chicago,

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Speaker 6: he has chosen the papal name Leo the fourteenth.

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Speaker 2: The new pope wore a gold cross around his neck

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Speaker 1: Bat jsia ponto tivoy.

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Speaker 2: Peace be with you all were his first words as

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Speaker 1: Telly sore le carrissimi quest so el primo, saluto del

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Speaker 2: Robert Francis Prevost, now Pope Leo the fourteenth is from Chicago,

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Speaker 2: my hometown where, well, understatement, people are pretty thrilled.

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Speaker 7: David, I can almost feel the vibration of Catholics in

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Speaker 7: Chicago's celebrating this moment right now, two point one million

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Speaker 8: It just makes me proud of you in Chicago and

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Speaker 9: It's Tom fer.

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Speaker 2: Territorial quiabla de supropia.

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Speaker 9: Achos no solo.

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Speaker 2: I immediately posted on social media Southsider or North Sider,

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Speaker 2: the burning questions that my fellow Chicagoans want to know

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Speaker 3: He was never ever a Cubs fan, so I don't

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Speaker 2: We don't know what Pope Leo's ring is going to

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Speaker 2: know of his past, like his criticism of President Trump's

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Speaker 6: On his social media account, he reposted criticism of JD

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Speaker 6: is your conscience not disturbed? How can you stay quiet?

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Speaker 3: I kind of think you will see a continuation of

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Speaker 3: Pope Francis. I think he's concerned with people, with their souls,

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Speaker 3: He spent so much time in the missions in Peru,

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Speaker 2: Robert Francis Prevost spent decades serving in Peru, and well,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this, but Peruvians rep

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Speaker 2: Peruvians shared their thoughts of immense pride to see someone

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Speaker 2: And then there was that moment where, honestly my jaw

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Speaker 2: And then, of course there's the fact that the new

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Speaker 9: It was very important for me to see a pope

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Speaker 9: I think that he sends a very strong message not

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Speaker 2: In his first speech, he decided to forego his native

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Speaker 4: Only there's like a micro significance and a macro significance.

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Speaker 4: Like the micro one is that he is very he

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Speaker 2: That's feminist theologian Natalia Imparatory Lee. We had her on

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Speaker 2: They're going to break it all down for us after

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Speaker 2: the break, so stay with us. Not by yes, hey,

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Speaker 2: we're back. Here's the conversation between Latino USA managing editor

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Speaker 12: So hello again. I did not think I was going

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Speaker 12: to be speaking to you this soon.

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Speaker 4: Crazy right, What a crazy week.

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Speaker 12: You and I spoke when Pope Francis passed, and now

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Speaker 12: here we are because we did not expect to have

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Speaker 12: And when we spoke last time, at no point did

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Speaker 4: That's exactly right because he's an American, he's from the

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Speaker 4: a lot of Peru going on with this.

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Speaker 12: Pope, a lot of Peru going on. We already saw

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Speaker 12: So what were your immediate reactions.

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Speaker 4: I was in my office meeting with a student and

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Speaker 4: cautiously optimistic. So when they said it was an American,

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Speaker 12: like this is historic, this is unexpected. Some of the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, nobody expected two popes from the American continent. Two

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Speaker 4: Sola Papa are both Peruvian.

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Speaker 12: will be Pope Leo the fourteenth, let's begin with who

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Speaker 12: was Cardinal Robert Privost? What can you tell us about him?

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Speaker 4: Cardinal Provost was a man who was working in the Vatican.

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Speaker 4: He is an Augustinian priest, so he's a religious order priest.

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Speaker 4: The Augustinians are a missionary order. They have a lot

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Speaker 12: That speaks so much of what in this show we

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Speaker 4: What it means to be hen tepuente, what it means

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Speaker 12: In Chicago, folks are claiming him as one of their own,

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Speaker 12: And of course you have the Peruvian connection, which has

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Speaker 12: As we know, every pope chooses a name to go by.

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Speaker 12: What can you tell me about the choosing of his name.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so he chose Leo as his name, and Leo

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Speaker 4: the thirteenth is Leon. Really he's a lion of Catholic

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Speaker 12: So here we are with somebody who was chosen to

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Speaker 12: So what can we expect from him now that he's

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Speaker 4: Well, the truth is, we have no idea, and anyone

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Speaker 4: because we don't know. It changes a man, I think,

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Speaker 4: He has a different personality. I think you could tell

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Speaker 4: But he echoed a lot about Pope Francis in his

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Speaker 12: But there is not necessarily the warmest welcome, perhaps by

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Speaker 4: The remarks that people are talking about were from twenty twelve.

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Speaker 15: Twenty twelve, the now Holy Father spoke about how the

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Speaker 15: Western news media has fostered sympathy for beliefs on odds

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Speaker 15: He has, though in the past, supported to Pope Francis's

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Speaker 4: There's a lot that we don't know about his personal views,

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Speaker 4: that is a really welcome change that they would like

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Speaker 12: And also one of the things that I heard was

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Speaker 12: child sexual abuse pattern in the Catholic Church. So what

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Speaker 12: can you tell me about that?

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Speaker 4: On the sex abuse stuff? The reports that I've seen

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Speaker 4: of us feel like the Vatican didn't go far enough

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Speaker 4: That's entirely possible. But I don't want us to make

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Speaker 12: So he's representing the United States. What's the larger significance

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Speaker 4: I think that the presence of the American political climate

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Speaker 4: global stage. I do think that the election of Pope

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Speaker 4: I think that they chose an American that would show

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Speaker 4: a very different kind of Catholicism from the Catholicism that

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Speaker 12: And a very different American that was elected to a

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Speaker 3: Of last year.

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Speaker 4: That is correct. I mean, it's like five tweets and

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Speaker 4: they're all anti the administration, and his tweets are causing

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Speaker 4: some consternation among the more right wing factions of Roman Catholicism.

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Speaker 4: Is he the most popular American world leader?

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Speaker 12: Uh oh, Natalie, thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: It's such a pleasure for Nanda. I love talking with you,

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