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Speaker 1: Great way to end this la rep runoff with the
Speaker 1: with the absolute legend, arguably the greatest of all time. Man,
Speaker 1: Let's walk up to the show. Lawrence table Man hell
Speaker 1: two times Super Bowl chap eleven time All Pro, three
Speaker 1: time Defensive Player of the Year, was robbed with only
Speaker 1: one MVP in eighty six, again arguably one of the
Speaker 1: greatest of all time. How is life currently right now?
Speaker 1: I'm sure you get a lot of golf in you
Speaker 1: know what, I tell you.
Speaker 2: My golf game right now it's not where it used
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 1: I heard at one point you're like a two handed
Speaker 1: cap two.
Speaker 2: I mean I used to be like a plus two.
Speaker 2: But now you know what, I've gotten old. I've got
Speaker 2: no old. God say a life is treated me poorly.
Speaker 2: I've gotten old. I thought I would never get old,
Speaker 2: you know. I thought I would beat the baddest on
Speaker 2: the earth for at least fifty He's still up there. Okay,
Speaker 2: now we're still up there.
Speaker 1: Michael Strahan, Yeah, Michael Strahan. Michael straight said, he said,
Speaker 1: he just stopped being afraid of You's intimidating.
Speaker 5: And it took me until hell recently to not be
Speaker 5: intimidated when I see.
Speaker 2: I tell you, life is what it is. Uh, the
Speaker 2: game of football, I don't watch it the way I
Speaker 2: used to watch it, you know, because now this has
Speaker 2: changed a little bit. Nobody want to hit nobody, you know. So,
Speaker 2: but we're not gonna talk about my problem. We'll talk
Speaker 2: about your problem. I'm decorry college just.
Speaker 1: Right, urban legend or truth. You've shot ten holy ones
Speaker 1: in your golf ten.
Speaker 2: Yes, I haven't a.
Speaker 1: Man for the furthest one out? What was your first
Speaker 1: one out?
Speaker 2: Probably the furthest one out was to twelve? Because see,
Speaker 2: I'm not like you. I don't play from the frontiers
Speaker 2: the way.
Speaker 1: I play all the way to the Whites.
Speaker 2: I played all the play back.
Speaker 1: I played the Whites or the Blues.
Speaker 2: The locker room I did up in front of the build,
Speaker 2: the tips that I don't know this. I don't know this.
Speaker 1: Hey, everyone said, I mean, we talked to James Worthy.
Speaker 1: We've talked to a lot of different people. Everyone that
Speaker 1: you're just a super athlete. Anything you put your mind to,
Speaker 1: you were able to accomplish, either than your football career.
Speaker 1: Speech for yourself, but James Worthy said, you used to
Speaker 1: hoop with them and open gyms. Be the most athletic
Speaker 1: person out there. Obviously your golf game is Where did
Speaker 1: just your athletic problemsts come from?
Speaker 2: I guess I learned from my dad and as I
Speaker 2: got older, you know, like I said, I started out
Speaker 2: as playing baseball. You know. I was when I was
Speaker 2: six years old. I went out for baseball. I made
Speaker 2: every All Star team until every All Star team except.
Speaker 1: My first year.
Speaker 2: My first year I didn't and every other team I
Speaker 2: was always at All Star. And one day at Lafayette
Speaker 2: High School, the coach came to me, he said, listen, hey, uh, well,
Speaker 2: t wo you need to come out and play football.
Speaker 2: I've been playing baseball, you know, going into my junior year.
Speaker 2: You know, he said, listen, you should have started. You know,
Speaker 2: you need a place. And he challenged me to go
Speaker 2: out there and play football. So I went out for
Speaker 2: the sixth first six weeks. Man, they just kicked my ass.
Speaker 2: I mean, all this day I'm running with listen, all
Speaker 2: this hitting. I ain't mad at nobody. And then in
Speaker 2: my junior year, the first play of the second quarter,
Speaker 2: the guy in front of that it was I was
Speaker 2: the second team, you know, and he he went down
Speaker 2: and I had a great game. I had a great game.
Speaker 2: I won the game for the team, and suff it
Speaker 2: was a whole great game. And guess what the next game,
Speaker 2: I got better. Then I got better, then I got better.
Speaker 2: Then I got better and got it, and I got better
Speaker 2: and ended up all American, you know, one of the
Speaker 2: top players in the country. Short amount of time. It
Speaker 2: just got better and better and better. And then my
Speaker 2: senior year, I still played baseball. And let me tell
Speaker 2: you something, I was a hell of a baseball player.
Speaker 2: I was the catcher. But hey, when I hit.
Speaker 6: A ball, nobody say I got it. They say I
Speaker 6: go get it.
Speaker 2: But I tell you I enjoyed and my junior year,
Speaker 2: my senior year, and then all of a sudden, I
Speaker 2: go to college and play play football. Once I got
Speaker 2: that thing in my mind that I couldn't even go
Speaker 2: to sleep every every when I go to bed that
Speaker 2: night and say I'm playing a team the next morning
Speaker 2: or the next day. By the time I get to
Speaker 2: the game, I've already played that game twenty times already.
Speaker 2: I've already played it twenty times a month. I already
Speaker 2: know what the hell you're gonna do. Ain't but so
Speaker 2: many Listen, guy lines up here and you give them
Speaker 2: the ball. But ain't, but so much you can do it? Okay,
Speaker 2: you know shitna run it? Or you line up on
Speaker 2: the player and I look at your formation. Ain't for
Speaker 2: so much you can do for a formation. You can't
Speaker 2: just you can't just make it happen. No, No, And
Speaker 2: guys gotta gotta learn how to read the formation, because
Speaker 2: you know there's a hundred plays in in football, one
Speaker 2: hundred different plays and stuff. Well, if you look at
Speaker 2: the formation, you can narrow narrow it down to three
Speaker 2: or four plays. Even, so many things you can do
Speaker 2: and if somebody else's move a goddamn but one thing
Speaker 2: you can do, all right. So that's how I am.
Speaker 2: That's how I look at the game. Yeah yeah, look
Speaker 2: at the signs and then don't act. Now, if I
Speaker 2: was in the science class, I wouldn't know what I
Speaker 2: wouldn't I wouldn't understand either, Just me too. Ship.
Speaker 1: Before we get into football, I really want to touch
Speaker 1: on what do you remember about the pickup games of
Speaker 1: North Carolina on the basketball court? I mean you were
Speaker 1: in school with somebody.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you something. Hey, look we hit back
Speaker 2: in the day. We used to going to go out
Speaker 2: there and we play and play and and I remember
Speaker 2: for the the intermediate Uh yeah, yeah, we won the
Speaker 2: championship because you know, but we was disqualified because we cheated.
Speaker 2: But you know, we ain't really cheat. One of our
Speaker 2: players he was actually he wasn't actually in school. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: technicality against that. But I used to go out there
Speaker 2: and play with all the boys, I mean, Jordan James Worthy,
Speaker 2: all those guys that I used to go out there
Speaker 2: and play. And what.
Speaker 1: Was your game like?
Speaker 2: Well, see, the problem is I couldn't hit nothing from
Speaker 2: like thirty five feet, but thirty one thirty anything. And
Speaker 2: they used to say they just say that, say, well
Speaker 2: I could, I could, I could shoot the ball. I'm
Speaker 2: off and I'm decent in defense. I already got mad
Speaker 2: because they only give you six files, you gardener, getting
Speaker 2: more than six files. I need more than six fis.
Speaker 4: Imagine somebody imagine you having more than six foules.
Speaker 1: We dead lt is on me. I'm passing that bitch.
Speaker 1: Cut it out, someone else do something.
Speaker 2: I love the years that Carolina. I think it's one
Speaker 2: of the best schools far as getting meeting people and
Speaker 2: and and and.
Speaker 1: Just that the whole preparing you for life.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, because I've been to a lot of ship
Speaker 2: that the lot of ship that Carolina, you know, been
Speaker 2: threatened to kick. Maybe this is one year, okay, I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna tell you. Come on, going in too much.
Speaker 2: Senior year and we're out and some of my boys
Speaker 2: and stuff, and they got this big old festival and stuff, right,
Speaker 2: So we go to the festival because it's right there
Speaker 2: at Aaron House. And we go to the festival and
Speaker 2: a couple of my boys stole a couple of items
Speaker 2: from the festival. So they gave him to me the
Speaker 2: whole because like, you know, ain't nobody gonna suck Maybe,
Speaker 2: I mean, save my language, but anybody's gonna mess with me.
Speaker 2: So I sit there and I held the ambers and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, the the the lady, that's
Speaker 2: what the ta or whatever that the lady is, she
Speaker 2: came over there and saw it fussing, arguing stuff. I
Speaker 2: got anyway, I got sent to back in college. Uh
Speaker 2: to court. Uh you know the campus court, you know.
Speaker 2: So I got sent there, me and a couple of
Speaker 2: mother boys. And so what they did is I wasn't
Speaker 2: allowed to stay on South campus anymore, you know. So
Speaker 2: I was allowed to stay on Stamp campus. And you know,
Speaker 2: this going into my senior year, and I'm worried about
Speaker 2: if I'm going to be able to play my senior year.
Speaker 2: So decided, you know, he can play, he's just not
Speaker 2: allowed to be on South campus. Okay. So they put
Speaker 2: us on in a building on North campus, fourth full
Speaker 2: story building. It was four of us, guys. Four We
Speaker 2: all had a floor. I could stay on the first floor,
Speaker 2: somebody else got to stay on the second, four, third, fourth, greatest.
Speaker 1: So so you got in trouble and it got better.
Speaker 6: Oh God, the greatest it was a girl, hey, and
Speaker 6: it was a girl's dorm, bete right across now, greatest
Speaker 6: it was.
Speaker 1: It was one time. The trouble was that want to
Speaker 1: work for me? All bad trouble turns into gold. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you speak to your friendship. Obviously every week you
Speaker 1: got a good relationship with Michael Jordan. But how's that start?
Speaker 1: And how is it in one of those golf matches, like,
Speaker 1: I know you guys both being very competitive.
Speaker 2: Well, Mike, when I actually my senior year, not my
Speaker 2: senior right after I seen my rookie year in and
Speaker 2: at the Giants. Mike came to school that year. So
Speaker 2: I came back to finish up school that summer. And
Speaker 2: so he was playing with the team, practice with the team,
Speaker 2: and uh, what what's the coach thing? Dean Smith allowed
Speaker 2: me to practice with him, right, he allowed me to practice,
Speaker 2: and Mike was always every time I turned around, he
Speaker 2: just saked. Hey, call him foul foul, foul, foule. I
Speaker 2: just hit you a little bit, Come on, man. So
Speaker 2: every time Mike had the ball, I wanted to guard.
Speaker 2: I wanted to guard Mike because it was and it
Speaker 2: was the pain you gun I am because I know
Speaker 2: Michae was dropping you off. Yeah, yeah, he gonna drop
Speaker 2: me off. He's gonna drop me off of a little
Speaker 2: something in his egg gonna Yeah, I'm gonna throw something now.
Speaker 2: So you know, I'm not saying that I'm a fair player.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I'm a player player. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: but hey, we used to have a great time doing that.
Speaker 2: He is truly, you know, he's one of the best.
Speaker 2: But I'm the best when I come to when it
Speaker 2: comes to fouling, though, But you dun't. You can't ask
Speaker 2: that question, could I dump?
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 5: Was?
Speaker 2: How you want it? Really?
Speaker 3: How you want it?
Speaker 2: Okay, how you want it? I know I heard it.
Speaker 2: I heard you wanted back. What's all that? I could
Speaker 2: do anything I wanted.
Speaker 1: To get your way.
Speaker 4: I was an athlete, man, Yeah yeah, I mean I
Speaker 4: was in the NBA and I couldn't do half that ship.
Speaker 2: So I had to ask, I couldn't do it?
Speaker 1: How did how did golf come into your game? And
Speaker 1: obviously you guys have heard legendary stories about just the
Speaker 1: competitive with you two on the golf course.
Speaker 2: Mike, it's competitive in anything he do. Okay, listen, he
Speaker 2: does nothing half ass nothing. I mean, I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't care if it's if it's if it's shooting marbles.
Speaker 2: He does nothing half ass. You know. He wants to
Speaker 2: be the best at everything he does, and pretty much
Speaker 2: he is. But we have but we have a great job.
Speaker 2: We have a great job.
Speaker 4: Not many people can say they actually changed the game
Speaker 4: in any sport.
Speaker 2: You actually did it in football. How does how does
Speaker 2: it feel when people tell you that, we say change
Speaker 2: the game? What the what the fuck do you mean
Speaker 2: by that? I can tell you what our our definition
Speaker 2: would be.
Speaker 4: You as far as from the position you played, you
Speaker 4: made the game physical, You made it entertainer. You you
Speaker 4: show people how to play the game with passion, leave
Speaker 4: everything on the line, willing to die to win the game,
Speaker 4: like a lot of people don't.
Speaker 2: Automatically. You can't teach that. No, so you had that,
Speaker 2: and you did it on the highest stage.
Speaker 4: And for people to con you as the best defensive
Speaker 4: player of all time, that says a lot.
Speaker 2: I love I loved past best, loved the game of
Speaker 2: love the game of football. I love the contact. I
Speaker 2: don't want to go out there and go through a
Speaker 2: walk through. No, I got to hit somebody, Okay, that's what.
Speaker 2: That's what I do. I hit somebody. I mean when
Speaker 2: I dad gonna started stripping, nobody does. Nobody was doing that. Hey,
Speaker 2: I invented the stripping the ball because I said, if
Speaker 2: if I'm going to you're gonna run the ball and
Speaker 2: I tackle you, you still got another play. But if
Speaker 2: I tackle you and I stripped that ball, guess what,
Speaker 2: it ain't George no more. And that's what. And I
Speaker 2: remember I used to do that, and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, when we got to the Giants, I was
Speaker 2: doing it so much. Is that they started teaching having
Speaker 2: strips practice. Yeah, stript practice and stuff. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot of things. I changed the game too. I
Speaker 2: played against a lot of good players. But just like
Speaker 2: my dad always told me, say, you got to be
Speaker 2: better than the next man just to be equal. So
Speaker 2: goddamn get out there. But you know, and that's what
Speaker 2: I do. And that's what I'm saying because at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, hey, I want to be the best.
Speaker 2: Now just days I didn't gone out and maybe had
Speaker 2: too much drink. But let's say I'm wanting to stay
Speaker 2: on your ass from from fifteen of one five zero
Speaker 2: zero until it go down to zero zero zero one.
Speaker 1: I love it. We had a Michael Strahan on the
Speaker 1: show and he was just telling some some legendary stories
Speaker 1: about how you didn't like the practical when you did,
Speaker 1: you win one hundred miles an hour. There was no bullshit.
Speaker 2: I didn't like the white practice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said you didn't.
Speaker 2: He said, you did. I was at that time. He
Speaker 2: got there, was they going thirty some years old. I
Speaker 2: ain't got a practice no more.
Speaker 1: He said, you would earned the respective.
Speaker 2: But he didn't have to say I don't want to.
Speaker 2: I don't want to go out say no, no, no.
Speaker 2: I remember when I used to go out there. I'm
Speaker 2: all geared up, I got, I got, I got stuff
Speaker 2: on my hands. I got did they go on vand
Speaker 2: I'm all locked up and I'm ready ready to kill.
Speaker 2: About six seven years later, I'm like, hey, hey, got
Speaker 2: ship strapped up? You want it? You want to now?
Speaker 1: You want it in the game.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying, I work on Sundays. Guy there.
Speaker 1: He also said sometimes you would He said you would
Speaker 1: sleep during the meetings, but wake up another whole game plan.
Speaker 2: That dad going, Bill Belichick. You know, he would sit
Speaker 2: down and he'll go over these dad going these plays
Speaker 2: and stuff, and I'm looking at it and I go
Speaker 2: on to sleep, and then I was like, I said,
Speaker 2: get your ass up. He said, tell me what your
Speaker 2: what you do on display. I don't tell him. I
Speaker 2: tell him what I do, but I can tell him
Speaker 2: what everybody does. I knew one thing about football. I
Speaker 2: know what everybody is doing on that football field. I
Speaker 2: know what the tackle's doing. I know what the nose
Speaker 2: tackle's doing. I know what the both linebackers doing. Hey,
Speaker 2: I know what the DB's doing. All the safeties. I know.
Speaker 2: Only person I don't know what the hell is going
Speaker 2: is me. Because I want to do what I wanted,
Speaker 2: what I feel. I gotta do what I feel. But see,
Speaker 2: I gotta you gotta do what I feel. But I
Speaker 2: gotta stay within the framework of the defense, because if
Speaker 2: I don't, I screwed him up. So I do what
Speaker 2: I wanted to do to a point, but I stay
Speaker 2: within the framework of the defense.
Speaker 4: Bill Belichick was your defensive coordinator. Say you the great
Speaker 4: defensive player of all time? We all know and he listen,
Speaker 4: he right right, He's definitely right.
Speaker 2: What was Bill like back then, late Jackson, when Belichick
Speaker 2: first came in he was assistant special teams coach. Assistant
Speaker 2: to the special teams coach. You gotta load that. Anyone
Speaker 2: know what damn that ship is. But but and then
Speaker 2: his second year he became special teams coach. His third
Speaker 2: year was Bill park Sells first year as a head coach,
Speaker 2: and he named Bill Belichick the defensive coordinator. Man. I
Speaker 2: had a fit. I mean I was, I was, I
Speaker 2: was raising, hell the fuck this man? Man? Get back?
Speaker 2: Then and there shack some balls and I was, I was,
Speaker 2: I was really pissed. I went into Bill's office. I said, Man,
Speaker 2: what the fuck are you doing? Manden? Hey, you're gonna
Speaker 2: name him as as defensive coordinator? And Bill told me,
Speaker 2: he said, let me tell you something. All the defenses
Speaker 2: that we've been running for the last couple of years
Speaker 2: of Bill Belichick's design. He designed all these daggon defense. Yeah, hey,
Speaker 2: he den behind all the defenses for for And I
Speaker 2: was shocked, and I gave him my I told Bill,
Speaker 2: he was ship, I give you my blessings. Man, go ahead,
Speaker 2: and I'm to tell you what. Personality wise he's whatever andever.
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what for Somebody that knows football
Speaker 2: knows defense. Knows. Hey, he knows what you're supposed to do. Oh,
Speaker 2: he's bad. He's a bad man. He's a bad man.
Speaker 1: Parcels.
Speaker 2: Bill Parcells has always been my main man. You know,
Speaker 2: I'll do anything for Bill. You know, Bill Love. He
Speaker 2: was a guy that brought me to the Giants, and
Speaker 2: I remember he was and he taught they he worked
Speaker 2: with me, And I ain't gonna say that he worked
Speaker 2: with me. God damn already knew what I was doing
Speaker 2: when that got there. But he I member Bill. I'm
Speaker 2: telling you a quick story. I member Bill Parcells. Parcells.
Speaker 2: My first week in the NFL, Parcells was on my ass.
Speaker 2: I mean you know, I was on the second team.
Speaker 2: I was on the second team. John Scoorpan was in
Speaker 2: front of me. I was on the second team. That
Speaker 2: last no, I was on the third team. I was thirteen.
Speaker 2: That lasted about five minutes, Okay, Then I moved to
Speaker 2: the first team. That took about another two minutes. So
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there and Bill is telling me he's on
Speaker 2: my ass every fun because because you know, when you
Speaker 2: he's something, you see a diamond in a rough. You know,
Speaker 2: you can't just hey, you gotta you got to talk
Speaker 2: to him and make him go and the right direction
Speaker 2: and stuff. So he was make me go the right direction.
Speaker 2: But every play he was on my ass. I was
Speaker 2: just coming out of college, you know, and university. Every
Speaker 2: play he's on my ass. Oh, you gotta be over here,
Speaker 2: you gotta be here, you gotta be here, you gotta
Speaker 2: be here. I'm saying there, I'm making it. I would
Speaker 2: dig on rush the quarterback. The quarterback was set up,
Speaker 2: throw the ball thirty yards down field. I would turn
Speaker 2: around and run down there and knock the ball away.
Speaker 2: And he said, what the fuck are you doing down there?
Speaker 2: The hell you doing thirty hello? Every day on my ass,
Speaker 2: my ass? And I finally say, hey, hold up, coach,
Speaker 2: hold on. You can do whatever you want. You can
Speaker 2: trade me, you can cut me, you can put John
Speaker 2: score Pan back at a linebacker. I don't care, I said,
Speaker 2: I don't care, but you've got to stay off my
Speaker 2: ass because I tell you what I can't. I don't
Speaker 2: work like that. It didn't work like that in college.
Speaker 2: It ain't gonna work like that in here because of
Speaker 2: this day. I can't work like that. And Bill Paul say,
Speaker 2: he looked at me. He said, Okay, I think he said, okay, motherfucker.
Speaker 2: But I don't know what he said, but I think, okay,
Speaker 2: never worked for the Brothers. That never works for the Brothers. Brothers, sorry,
Speaker 2: he said. He said, Okay, I tell you what I'm
Speaker 2: gonna do. I'm gonna let you do it your way.
Speaker 2: That works for the Brothers. He said. As soon as
Speaker 2: you mess up, I'm gonna be in your ass and
Speaker 2: you're gonna do it my way. I tell him, that's
Speaker 2: very cool. I never had another commosation with him for
Speaker 2: the next twelve years. Yeah, he had no problem with
Speaker 2: what I was doing. I love it. You know.
Speaker 1: Did you see the viral video of Belichick leaving his
Speaker 1: girlfriend's house with his shirt off? Like a month ago.
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick just retired and he was leaving his girl's house. Okay,
Speaker 1: so what's the problem?
Speaker 2: Nothing at all, bro, ain't no problem. Did you see it?
Speaker 2: What the problem?
Speaker 1: Ain't no problem.
Speaker 2: I just want to know if you.
Speaker 1: Got a coach your first year, you went rookie the year,
Speaker 1: defensive player of the year. I mean, what your step.
Speaker 2: K the defensive player of the year.
Speaker 1: What's the problem?
Speaker 2: I want it all?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what I mean, what's your first thoughts? I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously this is the top of that supposed to be
Speaker 1: the toughest and you're going here.
Speaker 2: And hey, when I first came into the NFL, I'm serious,
Speaker 2: after going to Carolina, you know, playing at North Carolina Ceth.
Speaker 2: When I first came to the NFL, it was like
Speaker 2: a man playing with boys the Johnts day. They've been
Speaker 2: playing football for all these guys I'm playing for thirty
Speaker 2: forty years or whoever it is. Hey, they didn't care
Speaker 2: no more. They didn't They weren't excited about winning or
Speaker 2: last ten years, last fifteen years. They weren't excited about
Speaker 2: a winning. They just just going through the damn motion.
Speaker 2: All the players are just going through the most of
Speaker 2: because hey, John's hadn't won the dagg on a playoff
Speaker 2: berth in the last fifteen to twenty years. Right, They're
Speaker 2: just going through the motion. And I refuse to go
Speaker 2: through the motions. And I would go to practice and man,
Speaker 2: and listen, when I go to practice, I go to practice,
Speaker 2: I go to work, you know, I go to work
Speaker 2: and I'm like, hey, let's say, hey, I'm gonna hurt somebody. Okay,
Speaker 2: I mean to hit somebody, but hurt but listen. But
Speaker 2: it wasn't until and then Parcels. I remember when Parcels
Speaker 2: used to call meetings and he want all the all
Speaker 2: the all the the older players to come that because
Speaker 2: those were the teams captains and stuff like that. And
Speaker 2: and and I remember when he called the meeting and
Speaker 2: he asked me, he said, hey, l T, I want you,
Speaker 2: I want you in this Well I wasn't LT. Then
Speaker 2: I was Lawrence, Okayn, I want you in this meeting.
Speaker 2: And I went to the meeting and and I said God,
Speaker 2: and I felt funny because I got all these senior
Speaker 2: guys in there, you know, all the Harry Carson, Phil Simms,
Speaker 2: uh uh, Brian Kelly, all the senior players were in there,
Speaker 2: and I don't know what the hell am I doing.
Speaker 2: He said, listen, because look at that group. You said
Speaker 2: you better than all of them. That hit me. And
Speaker 2: I'll tell you I when I went out there on Sundays,
Speaker 2: no matter where I'm coming from.
Speaker 5: Hey, I come to work, come to work. I'm ready
Speaker 5: to talk to us a.
Speaker 1: Little bit about those those New York Knights. And I
Speaker 1: mean you had plenty of them. Mike Tyson was out there.
Speaker 1: Dyale Strawberry Dwight Gooding yourself. There was a lot of
Speaker 1: young black, rich talent out New York in the eighties
Speaker 1: all the time.
Speaker 2: Listen, and we all went to the same place. He's
Speaker 2: not here. Yeah, he's not here, the Dago Cluffe Covin
Speaker 2: uh and in New York City, he's not here. That
Speaker 2: was the hottest place, hottest. He's not here. He's not here. Boy,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, uh uh Ship.
Speaker 4: Taking him back at the moment, take us back to
Speaker 4: he's not here.
Speaker 2: What would it be like right now? We was in
Speaker 2: he's not here with you right now, I'm spoken for him.
Speaker 2: Thank you. It was that popping in there, It was
Speaker 2: it was amazing. If you got that body, you got Mike, Tyson,
Speaker 2: you got you got everybody and there's somebody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mayor were you there with What was it like?
Speaker 1: Would you and Mike develop a friendship? Tyson?
Speaker 2: You know what? See Mike, you gotta be careful around Mike,
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah.
Speaker 4: But Michael, guy, I'm thinking about that right now, like
Speaker 4: you worry about Mike.
Speaker 2: Ship, I've been in the room with Michael. I'm in
Speaker 2: the room with jobs. I don't know how I was
Speaker 2: sitting there. You listen, you're gonna mic sometimes and listen.
Speaker 2: He's a great guy, love to death, and we have
Speaker 2: a great relationship. But you may say the wrong thing
Speaker 2: you don't even know, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 2: your asses and your ass is in trouble. What hey,
Speaker 2: But what what a great man? I tell you? And
Speaker 2: I think about all the people I've met, uh in
Speaker 2: New York in the through sports and stuff, you know,
Speaker 2: and like Tice, all kinds of baseball players, basketball players.
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I used to sit out there with
Speaker 2: he uh when Mike would come to the to the
Speaker 2: Jordan would come to the Mason Square guarden, sit on
Speaker 2: the floor and then we'd be talking. But all the things,
Speaker 2: all the people that I've met, and all the people
Speaker 2: that have played in New York and and I mean
Speaker 2: missed October, I mean all everybody got, you know, it's
Speaker 2: like a family. And yeah, I'm I'm happy to be
Speaker 2: here because I can't think of any other place I
Speaker 2: could have gone to where I can control the situation.
Speaker 1: But you mentioned all these great people, but you were
Speaker 1: the biggest star.
Speaker 2: I was the biggest star. It wasn't the biggest I
Speaker 2: was big. That wasn't big no, No, to a point, boy,
Speaker 2: if I would have got sleep at night, I would
Speaker 2: have been We understand that too. Yeah, I mean that
Speaker 2: was you know, Jack and I were both known.
Speaker 1: That's how we met. Was we been hard on off
Speaker 1: the court? Do you ever feel like what you did
Speaker 1: and you know obviously you're kind of speaking to it.
Speaker 1: You know, the night life ever hindered you?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I mean, you know, I look back at
Speaker 2: I look back at it now. But did you know what?
Speaker 2: And I say to myself, I say to myself, look
Speaker 2: where you're at now, I mean, or look, whether you
Speaker 2: have achieved, chieved? Could you have done it better? Now?
Speaker 2: If I would have gone home every day, if I
Speaker 2: would have dead, gone go to the gym every day,
Speaker 2: if I didn't drink Johnny Walker black every day, could
Speaker 2: I have been better? Maybe not? Maybe that was your
Speaker 2: ship though I don't know. I don't know, maybe not.
Speaker 2: How could you know when you still end up being him? Buddy.
Speaker 2: Guys don't drink, don't smoke, and they do everything.
Speaker 1: They just ain't got it.
Speaker 2: It just got it. It just ain't in them. A
Speaker 2: lot of people like that all the time.
Speaker 1: The mental side of the game. Something like you said,
Speaker 1: you prepared. You need the formations, but also the intimidation side.
Speaker 1: So on top of the mental intimidation because they knew
Speaker 1: you as a bad motherfucker. Were you a big ship
Speaker 1: talker too?
Speaker 2: Am I gonna talk ship? I don't mean to be rude,
Speaker 2: but motheruck. If you can't play, you can't play. God damn,
Speaker 2: get off the field. I mean to get somebody else.
Speaker 2: I used to sit there and listen, hey, hey, hey, hey,
Speaker 2: hey hey, you're blocking.
Speaker 1: Me long day.
Speaker 2: Why don't you tell the coach you got a cold
Speaker 2: or something? Hey? Uh, it's once you get the the
Speaker 2: timing of the game, the feel of the game. The uh.
Speaker 2: If you get to a point where you think you
Speaker 2: can beat some one person all the time, oh god,
Speaker 2: I feel sorry for him. I feel sorry for him.
Speaker 2: I made shire help. You know you got you got? Baby?
Speaker 2: At least hit me one time where I'm like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: this guy. Make him play a little bit, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it works that way, but it is what it is. Man,
Speaker 2: football great sport. I enjoyed it. I mean I lived it.
Speaker 2: I dreamt about it. I I I'm all about contact.
Speaker 2: I don't listen, don't get me involved in a two
Speaker 2: hand touch a game. I want contact because that's all.
Speaker 2: And don't give me the daggon, don't give me the
Speaker 2: second string. I used to hate that someone's coming and
Speaker 2: bring the second string guy and put over me. That's
Speaker 2: an insulting Listen, what the hell he gonna do? I
Speaker 2: wanted to beat the best that you got, you know,
Speaker 2: Anthony Munos and something like that. Guy, Hey, I want you.
Speaker 2: I want the best that you got, Anthony, Larry Allen.
Speaker 2: H just just several. I mean, there's a couple of
Speaker 2: guys that played for and for San Francisco. Uh uh uh.
Speaker 2: There was one guy from Saint Louis. I mean, a
Speaker 2: black dude. I've got his name now, but because he
Speaker 2: didn't leave a card, you know. But uh yeah, oh boy, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's enough.
Speaker 4: Okay, moves and TV shows that acting come naturally like
Speaker 4: everything else pretty much.
Speaker 2: I mean, let's say, because you know what, most of
Speaker 2: the movies I mean, I play me, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: I played me. I mean it was only a comfort
Speaker 2: movies that was way offline, like the one that played
Speaker 2: when I was I was a preacher that was way
Speaker 2: that was way offline. Man. But moe was that I
Speaker 2: forgot the name of it, but you've been a preacher.
Speaker 2: Probably why we didn't see it. That's why we didn't
Speaker 2: see it. Probably ship ship nothing, gold show, Oh damn
Speaker 2: it go the ship damn oh fu love love love
Speaker 2: one love what God? I can't wait to rob him.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to rob I can't wait to rob
Speaker 2: this one. What's up? Bro?
Speaker 1: Talk to us about any given Sunday we had Jamie
Speaker 1: on the show. He said there was beef with Team
Speaker 1: him in l L. What was that experience like? Because
Speaker 1: to me, that's one of the great football movies ever.
Speaker 2: I go, I mean drug Rehab. Okay, it was nineteen
Speaker 2: where he was that nineteen ninety seven, seven seventh of
Speaker 2: ninety eight. You know, how were you there with me?
Speaker 2: The movie? Movie came out ninety nine, right russe number.
Speaker 2: When year the movie came out. I said, y'all see Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: well we we filmed, we filmed here, were feeling in Florida.
Speaker 2: We actually went We filmed in Florida, okay, and then
Speaker 2: we moved. Then we went to Dallas. But anyway, I'm
Speaker 2: trying to say, I'm sitting in a drug rehab and
Speaker 2: my last one, my last we had. I ain't had
Speaker 2: no more. But Oliver Stone came all the way to
Speaker 2: the That's that's crazy right there. Olive Stone pulled up
Speaker 2: on rehab. He all came to the rehab me and said, listen, hey,
Speaker 2: I want you to play a part in the movie.
Speaker 2: And I said, I don't know if I can, because
Speaker 2: you know, hell, according to these motherfuckers, I want to
Speaker 2: be here for a while.
Speaker 1: So I go.
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden they hired what was
Speaker 2: the big guy from like the Green Mile, and uh,
Speaker 2: Michael Michael Clark duncan, right, so I get out of rehab.
Speaker 2: But they hired Michael Clarke Duncanto to play the role
Speaker 2: as Shark. Right. You know, he's practiced of these practicing
Speaker 2: and stuff, and they you know, doing stuff, and so
Speaker 2: he said in the office Stone, he said, let's not
Speaker 2: tell you what we're shooting in Miami once you come
Speaker 2: down and and give us some porners for like a
Speaker 2: like an expert on hand, you know. So I said,
Speaker 2: I go on down there. I'm sitting there on this
Speaker 2: and and they run this stain, run this this, this,
Speaker 2: they run this play and uh, Michael duncan he he
Speaker 2: it's this guy. And all I could see was Marshmallows,
Speaker 2: Tell what the hell is that? It's nothing real? I
Speaker 2: mean and arv stole. He came to me say, I
Speaker 2: just don't feel it. I can't feel it. You know
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't feel it. He said, do me
Speaker 2: a favor, he said. I said, yes, sir. He said,
Speaker 2: go inside, put on the uniform, show the past helmet,
Speaker 2: put on some gear, and come out and show him
Speaker 2: how to run this play, right. I said, okay, you're
Speaker 2: paying me. I go in, I go out, go inside,
Speaker 2: come back out. Hey the play. We run the play
Speaker 2: bam bam bam. I come in, I fill the hole.
Speaker 2: I hit the something boom and this said he and
Speaker 2: I thought he was dead anyway, but alvut Stone jumps up.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about. That's the type of ship
Speaker 2: I wanted to see. He looked at Michael Duny, say
Speaker 2: you fine on the spot, on the spot, fine, lt
Speaker 2: let's play. And and so he gave me his part.
Speaker 2: And that's how that's how I thought, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: The way with the chainsaw cutting the car and half.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm laying on the field taking that last hit.
Speaker 4: You made that look so real like it made me
Speaker 4: feel like we've seen it makes you like we've seen.
Speaker 2: You on the field in real time in that same
Speaker 2: position before.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: That's how good you made that character. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: I was a good show. I was into the moment
Speaker 2: the show. Yeah, you have me believe in it. I
Speaker 2: thought you was really hurt. I thought you I thought
Speaker 2: you really hurt out. I ain't hitting nobody at.
Speaker 1: Home, quick hitters.
Speaker 2: We're gonna finish it off when we don't feel in
Speaker 2: the blank. Lawrence Taylor would be wouldn't be here without
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be well you say here like here in
Speaker 2: this room today today, I wouldn't be here today. Web
Speaker 2: styles my dog niche yeah, my girl, Yeah, yeah, all right,
Speaker 2: that's right. I wouldn't. I wouldn't because I got some
Speaker 2: some legal ship that be doing.
Speaker 1: Stupid.
Speaker 2: I might met my match job, Yeah, top me.
Speaker 1: Phil Simps told the story one time about you him
Speaker 1: you driving down the term probably going fast as he
Speaker 1: thought he was gonna die.
Speaker 2: You took your chew.
Speaker 1: Out and threw it out, and your super Bowl ring
Speaker 1: came off to.
Speaker 2: Truth to that soup for the souper, No ring. My
Speaker 2: super Bowl ring never.
Speaker 1: Came off, was it? A ring or anything or was
Speaker 1: that just you was just making it sound good.
Speaker 2: It was just spit that came out. Yeah, that wasn't true.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, next, childhood my childhood crush. H damn a
Speaker 2: childhood crush probably though, one of them, uh, one of
Speaker 2: them Jackson's. But I'm not talking about Michael. Yeah, no, Michael.
Speaker 1: I don't need no Michel.
Speaker 2: Okay, what else? Stupid ship? You got more stupid question?
Speaker 1: Your favorite album of all time?
Speaker 2: It got me some type of Luther vandraw. You like
Speaker 2: to chill it out? Wots to me? Taste something? When
Speaker 2: I started doing that, how do you think I caught her.
Speaker 3: Big Luther a little? The ear ring, the earring, the
Speaker 3: single ear ring.
Speaker 1: You started a fashion trend way back. When Where'd that
Speaker 1: come from?
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not really sure, but I know when
Speaker 2: I came into the league, they started calling me l
Speaker 2: t Oh, no, it was it was Lawrence at first,
Speaker 2: you know, or Larry or something like that. It was, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: you look like Larry, but a guy that made made
Speaker 2: the air ring for me. And because my first year,
Speaker 2: my second year into the league, I started being identified
Speaker 2: as LT and you know, we had one two defensive
Speaker 2: players over the years. Well, I said, so they identified me.
Speaker 2: It's just and I've always wanted to be like, you know,
Speaker 2: like Michael Jorge m j uh signature. You know that
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson. He's in there too. But man, the guys
Speaker 2: that were just identified just by their always wanted to
Speaker 2: do that, and it started to happen. I just stayed
Speaker 2: on that boat.
Speaker 1: Couldn't tell you ship, They can't tell me. Lawrence Taylor
Speaker 1: Family Foundation. You can have your daughter come help explain
Speaker 1: it if you like. But talk to us, yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: come on.
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm tell you what we can from there. Now.
Speaker 2: It's a great foundation. And tell you what they we
Speaker 2: We work with a lot of kids, and I mean
Speaker 2: the things we have done over like like food. I
Speaker 2: mean as far as we're providing for uh families that
Speaker 2: come over, they can they can come and get food
Speaker 2: on weekends and stuff like that. And that's how I
Speaker 2: started with them, or or find out found out about them.
Speaker 2: But they do a lot concerning kids. And yeah, but
Speaker 2: he nobody can talk better about it than my daughter
Speaker 2: because I'm just I'm the face. I'm the face.
Speaker 1: Huh, she said, say my name like Beyonce.
Speaker 2: I got a lot of kids.
Speaker 1: You want to speak of it?
Speaker 2: What else? What else the foundation does?
Speaker 7: So we're transforming families, right, We're building well rounded families.
Speaker 7: So when you have the opportunity to change a child's life,
Speaker 7: it is hard when they go home, right because those parents,
Speaker 7: those families, they don't have the same tools, the same
Speaker 7: skill sets. So our goal is to build well rounded families.
Speaker 7: Why because I came from a broken home, no offense,
Speaker 7: love you Dealley, shout out to my dad. But when
Speaker 7: you are not from a well rounded family, you get
Speaker 7: two sides of different coin. So we want to build
Speaker 7: families who have the same skill sets that we're building
Speaker 7: in the children. So our goal is to create healthy,
Speaker 7: well rounded families. Not that the family consists of a
Speaker 7: man and a female. It consists of whoever is who,
Speaker 7: whatever is a part of that child's life, whatever is
Speaker 7: creating the foundation, because that foundation is what we are.
Speaker 7: That's that's what we're what we're headed into, you know.
Speaker 7: So our goal is to transform the lives of those
Speaker 7: that we see every day. So if the child that
Speaker 7: we feed and that we are creating tutoring and life
Speaker 7: skills for it goes home to a parent who has
Speaker 7: no job, who just got in jail. They there's a disconnect.
Speaker 7: So our work is to create opportunities for that father.
Speaker 7: So exactly, you have to build the family, you have
Speaker 7: to build the union foundation. We're building well known families,
Speaker 7: not just children, because that's what creates the better outcome. Right,
Speaker 7: And so while we love lt for always showing up,
Speaker 7: you know, we do the work and he shows up
Speaker 7: and he gives us that that that vibe, that energy,
Speaker 7: because that's what people want to see. They don't really
Speaker 7: care about what we're doing in the community because that's
Speaker 7: not where they're connected to.
Speaker 2: They care about get close to him. So that's great,
Speaker 2: use it.
Speaker 7: Let's raise this money and then let's give it back
Speaker 7: to the community. That's what it's about. And so we
Speaker 7: we leveraged that because I love him, But from my
Speaker 7: own personal experience, I understand the disconnect. I understand what
Speaker 7: it's like to be a part of one life and
Speaker 7: then to go into another life and my parents when
Speaker 7: my parents divorced, I experienced two different types of realities.
Speaker 2: And all right, though a couple of dollars, thank you.
Speaker 7: Energy to really help us do the work. So we thanking,
Speaker 7: We love him.
Speaker 2: And we love y'all for having no Thank you appreciate
Speaker 2: Lawrence Family Foundation. Yeah, Taylor Family, Lawrence Taylor Family.
Speaker 1: Can they find that? Is it dot com dot dot com?
Speaker 1: L T Man, We appreciate you. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: You were amazing.
Speaker 2: Amen. Thank you for don't go to sleep, don't try
Speaker 2: to ride me in that motherfucker got you, man.
Speaker 1: That's what the legendary Lorrence Taylor. You can catch us
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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm