WEBVTT - ALL THE SMOKE: The Man Who Changed Football - Lawrence Taylor 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.520 This is Matt Barnes. You're listening to All the Smoke 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:04.600 before you dive in. If you want to listen to 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:08.520 uninterrupted episodes, you can unlock ad free listening right now 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:11.520 with the subscription of Black Effects Plus. Just click to 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:13.320 subscribe at the top of the All the Smoke Show 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:15.400 page on Apple Podcasts. 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:17.319 New York seven. 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:21.120 You and l V lember to Larry Johnson. 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:27.240 Let's go ask where we should go? And y'all flooded it, man, So. 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:30.200 We appreciate the love than that, y'all coming out and 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:31.280 showing us love. 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:57.560 We appreciate y'all. M hm hm Jack. 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:00.480 Great way to end this la rep runoff with the 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:05.040 with the absolute legend, arguably the greatest of all time. Man, 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:07.280 Let's walk up to the show. Lawrence table Man hell 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:13.399 two times Super Bowl chap eleven time All Pro, three 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:15.800 time Defensive Player of the Year, was robbed with only 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:18.760 one MVP in eighty six, again arguably one of the 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:21.280 greatest of all time. How is life currently right now? 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:24.080 I'm sure you get a lot of golf in you 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:25.000 know what, I tell you. 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:30.040 My golf game right now it's not where it used 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:30.479 to be. 0:01:30.720 --> 0:01:32.119 I heard at one point you're like a two handed 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:33.880 cap two. 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:36.920 I mean I used to be like a plus two. 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:42.040 But now you know what, I've gotten old. I've got 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:47.120 no old. God say a life is treated me poorly. 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:51.320 I've gotten old. I thought I would never get old, 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:55.840 you know. I thought I would beat the baddest on 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:59.080 the earth for at least fifty He's still up there. Okay, 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:00.640 now we're still up there. 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.880 Michael Strahan, Yeah, Michael Strahan. Michael straight said, he said, 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:06.400 he just stopped being afraid of You's intimidating. 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:09.720 And it took me until hell recently to not be 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:11.000 intimidated when I see. 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:20.240 I tell you, life is what it is. Uh, the 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:24.520 game of football, I don't watch it the way I 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:28.640 used to watch it, you know, because now this has 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:31.920 changed a little bit. Nobody want to hit nobody, you know. So, 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:36.280 but we're not gonna talk about my problem. We'll talk 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:39.000 about your problem. I'm decorry college just. 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:45.280 Right, urban legend or truth. You've shot ten holy ones 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:46.040 in your golf ten. 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:47.320 Yes, I haven't a. 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:49.800 Man for the furthest one out? What was your first 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:50.120 one out? 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:56.120 Probably the furthest one out was to twelve? Because see, 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:58.400 I'm not like you. I don't play from the frontiers 0:02:59.080 --> 0:02:59.560 the way. 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:01.520 I play all the way to the Whites. 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:03.639 I played all the play back. 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:04.880 I played the Whites or the Blues. 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:09.520 The locker room I did up in front of the build, 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:15.320 the tips that I don't know this. I don't know this. 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:17.960 Hey, everyone said, I mean, we talked to James Worthy. 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:20.160 We've talked to a lot of different people. Everyone that 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:22.400 you're just a super athlete. Anything you put your mind to, 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:24.679 you were able to accomplish, either than your football career. 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:26.400 Speech for yourself, but James Worthy said, you used to 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:29.360 hoop with them and open gyms. Be the most athletic 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.200 person out there. Obviously your golf game is Where did 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:33.800 just your athletic problemsts come from? 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:37.920 I guess I learned from my dad and as I 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:41.760 got older, you know, like I said, I started out 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:45.320 as playing baseball. You know. I was when I was 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:48.080 six years old. I went out for baseball. I made 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:55.680 every All Star team until every All Star team except. 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:56.120 My first year. 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:58.960 My first year I didn't and every other team I 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:04.560 was always at All Star. And one day at Lafayette 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:11.080 High School, the coach came to me, he said, listen, hey, uh, well, 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:13.560 t wo you need to come out and play football. 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:19.080 I've been playing baseball, you know, going into my junior year. 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:23.040 You know, he said, listen, you should have started. You know, 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:26.920 you need a place. And he challenged me to go 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:34.279 out there and play football. So I went out for 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:37.640 the sixth first six weeks. Man, they just kicked my ass. 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:44.480 I mean, all this day I'm running with listen, all 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:49.520 this hitting. I ain't mad at nobody. And then in 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:56.160 my junior year, the first play of the second quarter, 0:04:57.560 --> 0:04:59.520 the guy in front of that it was I was 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:03.640 the second team, you know, and he he went down 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:10.360 and I had a great game. I had a great game. 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:12.520 I won the game for the team, and suff it 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:16.760 was a whole great game. And guess what the next game, 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:21.000 I got better. Then I got better, then I got better. 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:24.480 Then I got better and got it, and I got better 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:29.120 and ended up all American, you know, one of the 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:31.920 top players in the country. Short amount of time. It 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:35.359 just got better and better and better. And then my 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:40.600 senior year, I still played baseball. And let me tell 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:42.599 you something, I was a hell of a baseball player. 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:47.120 I was the catcher. But hey, when I hit. 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:51.039 A ball, nobody say I got it. They say I 0:05:51.120 --> 0:06:00.120 go get it. 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:08.560 But I tell you I enjoyed and my junior year, 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:10.880 my senior year, and then all of a sudden, I 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.479 go to college and play play football. Once I got 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:18.160 that thing in my mind that I couldn't even go 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:21.120 to sleep every every when I go to bed that 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:26.320 night and say I'm playing a team the next morning 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:30.360 or the next day. By the time I get to 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:34.360 the game, I've already played that game twenty times already. 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:37.560 I've already played it twenty times a month. I already 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:40.159 know what the hell you're gonna do. Ain't but so 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:45.640 many Listen, guy lines up here and you give them 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:49.719 the ball. But ain't, but so much you can do it? Okay, 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:52.960 you know shitna run it? Or you line up on 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:56.320 the player and I look at your formation. Ain't for 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:59.360 so much you can do for a formation. You can't 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:04.800 just you can't just make it happen. No, No, And 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:09.080 guys gotta gotta learn how to read the formation, because 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:14.200 you know there's a hundred plays in in football, one 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:19.520 hundred different plays and stuff. Well, if you look at 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:24.800 the formation, you can narrow narrow it down to three 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:26.960 or four plays. Even, so many things you can do 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:29.960 and if somebody else's move a goddamn but one thing 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:33.200 you can do, all right. So that's how I am. 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:38.000 That's how I look at the game. Yeah yeah, look 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:41.560 at the signs and then don't act. Now, if I 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:44.800 was in the science class, I wouldn't know what I 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:49.840 wouldn't I wouldn't understand either, Just me too. Ship. 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:52.440 Before we get into football, I really want to touch 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:54.000 on what do you remember about the pickup games of 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:56.200 North Carolina on the basketball court? I mean you were 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:57.160 in school with somebody. 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:00.360 Let me tell you something. Hey, look we hit back 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:05.200 in the day. We used to going to go out 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:11.080 there and we play and play and and I remember 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:19.160 for the the intermediate Uh yeah, yeah, we won the 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:24.600 championship because you know, but we was disqualified because we cheated. 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:31.600 But you know, we ain't really cheat. One of our 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:36.880 players he was actually he wasn't actually in school. Okay, yeah, 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:42.520 technicality against that. But I used to go out there 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:48.320 and play with all the boys, I mean, Jordan James Worthy, 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:51.680 all those guys that I used to go out there 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:53.280 and play. And what. 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:55.560 Was your game like? 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:58.880 Well, see, the problem is I couldn't hit nothing from 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:05.079 like thirty five feet, but thirty one thirty anything. And 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:10.920 they used to say they just say that, say, well 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:13.480 I could, I could, I could shoot the ball. I'm 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:18.160 off and I'm decent in defense. I already got mad 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:24.240 because they only give you six files, you gardener, getting 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:27.119 more than six files. I need more than six fis. 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:30.440 Imagine somebody imagine you having more than six foules. 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:33.439 We dead lt is on me. I'm passing that bitch. 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:35.199 Cut it out, someone else do something. 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.960 I love the years that Carolina. I think it's one 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:45.120 of the best schools far as getting meeting people and 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:46.360 and and and. 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:50.360 Just that the whole preparing you for life. 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:52.520 Yeah. Yeah, because I've been to a lot of ship 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:58.679 that the lot of ship that Carolina, you know, been 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:02.320 threatened to kick. Maybe this is one year, okay, I'm 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:06.160 not gonna tell you. Come on, going in too much. 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:14.240 Senior year and we're out and some of my boys 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:17.320 and stuff, and they got this big old festival and stuff, right, 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.960 So we go to the festival because it's right there 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:24.800 at Aaron House. And we go to the festival and 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:28.040 a couple of my boys stole a couple of items 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:37.400 from the festival. So they gave him to me the 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:40.240 whole because like, you know, ain't nobody gonna suck Maybe, 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:43.000 I mean, save my language, but anybody's gonna mess with me. 0:10:43.200 --> 0:10:45.960 So I sit there and I held the ambers and 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:52.120 then all of a sudden, the the the lady, that's 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:56.760 what the ta or whatever that the lady is, she 0:10:56.960 --> 0:11:04.160 came over there and saw it fussing, arguing stuff. I 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:09.000 got anyway, I got sent to back in college. Uh 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:14.240 to court. Uh you know the campus court, you know. 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:23.120 So I got sent there, me and a couple of 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:28.840 mother boys. And so what they did is I wasn't 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:33.600 allowed to stay on South campus anymore, you know. So 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.600 I was allowed to stay on Stamp campus. And you know, 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:40.200 this going into my senior year, and I'm worried about 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:44.680 if I'm going to be able to play my senior year. 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:48.040 So decided, you know, he can play, he's just not 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:53.160 allowed to be on South campus. Okay. So they put 0:11:53.240 --> 0:12:01.880 us on in a building on North campus, fourth full 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:07.600 story building. It was four of us, guys. Four We 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:11.079 all had a floor. I could stay on the first floor, 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:15.880 somebody else got to stay on the second, four, third, fourth, greatest. 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:18.400 So so you got in trouble and it got better. 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:22.000 Oh God, the greatest it was a girl, hey, and 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:27.280 it was a girl's dorm, bete right across now, greatest 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:28.120 it was. 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:31.439 It was one time. The trouble was that want to 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:38.360 work for me? All bad trouble turns into gold. I'll 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:41.200 tell you speak to your friendship. Obviously every week you 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.960 got a good relationship with Michael Jordan. But how's that start? 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:46.560 And how is it in one of those golf matches, like, 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:48.359 I know you guys both being very competitive. 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:55.880 Well, Mike, when I actually my senior year, not my 0:12:55.960 --> 0:13:00.560 senior right after I seen my rookie year in and 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:06.240 at the Giants. Mike came to school that year. So 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:10.040 I came back to finish up school that summer. And 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:15.480 so he was playing with the team, practice with the team, 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:22.280 and uh, what what's the coach thing? Dean Smith allowed 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:25.560 me to practice with him, right, he allowed me to practice, 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:28.559 and Mike was always every time I turned around, he 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:34.280 just saked. Hey, call him foul foul, foul, foule. I 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:38.480 just hit you a little bit, Come on, man. So 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:41.320 every time Mike had the ball, I wanted to guard. 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:44.120 I wanted to guard Mike because it was and it 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:47.480 was the pain you gun I am because I know 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:49.920 Michae was dropping you off. Yeah, yeah, he gonna drop 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:52.640 me off. He's gonna drop me off of a little 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:56.600 something in his egg gonna Yeah, I'm gonna throw something now. 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:00.640 So you know, I'm not saying that I'm a fair player. 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:08.520 I'm just saying I'm a player player. I'm not saying 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:13.559 but hey, we used to have a great time doing that. 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:17.440 He is truly, you know, he's one of the best. 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.080 But I'm the best when I come to when it 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:24.240 comes to fouling, though, But you dun't. You can't ask 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:25.600 that question, could I dump? 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:25.720 It? 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:25.880 Was? 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:27.800 How you want it? Really? 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:28.800 How you want it? 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.560 Okay, how you want it? I know I heard it. 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:35.800 I heard you wanted back. What's all that? I could 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:37.080 do anything I wanted. 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:38.760 To get your way. 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:43.000 I was an athlete, man, Yeah yeah, I mean I 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:44.720 was in the NBA and I couldn't do half that ship. 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:48.640 So I had to ask, I couldn't do it? 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:51.880 How did how did golf come into your game? And 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:54.160 obviously you guys have heard legendary stories about just the 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:56.240 competitive with you two on the golf course. 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:03.600 Mike, it's competitive in anything he do. Okay, listen, he 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:08.720 does nothing half ass nothing. I mean, I don't. I 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:12.200 don't care if it's if it's if it's shooting marbles. 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:16.000 He does nothing half ass. You know. He wants to 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:21.800 be the best at everything he does, and pretty much 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:27.560 he is. But we have but we have a great job. 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:28.360 We have a great job. 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.480 Not many people can say they actually changed the game 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:33.160 in any sport. 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:35.880 You actually did it in football. How does how does 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:37.920 it feel when people tell you that, we say change 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:39.600 the game? What the what the fuck do you mean 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:41.800 by that? I can tell you what our our definition 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:42.160 would be. 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:45.200 You as far as from the position you played, you 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.440 made the game physical, You made it entertainer. You you 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.640 show people how to play the game with passion, leave 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:52.160 everything on the line, willing to die to win the game, 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:53.480 like a lot of people don't. 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:56.440 Automatically. You can't teach that. No, so you had that, 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:58.080 and you did it on the highest stage. 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:01.240 And for people to con you as the best defensive 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:03.200 player of all time, that says a lot. 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:10.880 I love I loved past best, loved the game of 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:15.040 love the game of football. I love the contact. I 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.440 don't want to go out there and go through a 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:21.840 walk through. No, I got to hit somebody, Okay, that's what. 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:25.880 That's what I do. I hit somebody. I mean when 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:30.640 I dad gonna started stripping, nobody does. Nobody was doing that. Hey, 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:34.080 I invented the stripping the ball because I said, if 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:39.400 if I'm going to you're gonna run the ball and 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:45.880 I tackle you, you still got another play. But if 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.800 I tackle you and I stripped that ball, guess what, 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:52.600 it ain't George no more. And that's what. And I 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:55.200 remember I used to do that, and then all of 0:16:55.200 --> 0:17:00.560 a sudden, when we got to the Giants, I was 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:04.840 doing it so much. Is that they started teaching having 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:10.520 strips practice. Yeah, stript practice and stuff. I mean, yeah, 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:14.800 a lot of things. I changed the game too. I 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:22.959 played against a lot of good players. But just like 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.000 my dad always told me, say, you got to be 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.240 better than the next man just to be equal. So 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:30.600 goddamn get out there. But you know, and that's what 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:32.359 I do. And that's what I'm saying because at the 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:36.840 end of the day, hey, I want to be the best. 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:41.040 Now just days I didn't gone out and maybe had 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:48.720 too much drink. But let's say I'm wanting to stay 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:56.560 on your ass from from fifteen of one five zero 0:17:56.840 --> 0:18:01.800 zero until it go down to zero zero zero one. 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:06.359 I love it. We had a Michael Strahan on the 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:09.040 show and he was just telling some some legendary stories 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:11.560 about how you didn't like the practical when you did, 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:13.800 you win one hundred miles an hour. There was no bullshit. 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:15.360 I didn't like the white practice. 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:16.680 Yeah, he said you didn't. 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:18.720 He said, you did. I was at that time. He 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:21.960 got there, was they going thirty some years old. I 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:23.240 ain't got a practice no more. 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:24.480 He said, you would earned the respective. 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:26.320 But he didn't have to say I don't want to. 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:29.760 I don't want to go out say no, no, no. 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.000 I remember when I used to go out there. I'm 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:36.720 all geared up, I got, I got, I got stuff 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:40.080 on my hands. I got did they go on vand 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:44.000 I'm all locked up and I'm ready ready to kill. 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:49.760 About six seven years later, I'm like, hey, hey, got 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:54.840 ship strapped up? You want it? You want to now? 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:55.800 You want it in the game. 0:18:57.359 --> 0:18:59.760 What I'm saying, I work on Sundays. Guy there. 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:03.520 He also said sometimes you would He said you would 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.160 sleep during the meetings, but wake up another whole game plan. 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:09.720 That dad going, Bill Belichick. You know, he would sit 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:13.480 down and he'll go over these dad going these plays 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:16.960 and stuff, and I'm looking at it and I go 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:20.359 on to sleep, and then I was like, I said, 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:23.400 get your ass up. He said, tell me what your 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:27.040 what you do on display. I don't tell him. I 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:28.600 tell him what I do, but I can tell him 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:32.520 what everybody does. I knew one thing about football. I 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:37.000 know what everybody is doing on that football field. I 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:39.520 know what the tackle's doing. I know what the nose 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:42.280 tackle's doing. I know what the both linebackers doing. Hey, 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:46.479 I know what the DB's doing. All the safeties. I know. 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:50.160 Only person I don't know what the hell is going 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:52.720 is me. Because I want to do what I wanted, 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:55.480 what I feel. I gotta do what I feel. But see, 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:58.119 I gotta you gotta do what I feel. But I 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:02.680 gotta stay within the framework of the defense, because if 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:07.520 I don't, I screwed him up. So I do what 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:11.600 I wanted to do to a point, but I stay 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:13.520 within the framework of the defense. 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:19.160 Bill Belichick was your defensive coordinator. Say you the great 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:22.679 defensive player of all time? We all know and he listen, 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:24.959 he right right, He's definitely right. 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:29.840 What was Bill like back then, late Jackson, when Belichick 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:39.920 first came in he was assistant special teams coach. Assistant 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:47.919 to the special teams coach. You gotta load that. Anyone 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:51.640 know what damn that ship is. But but and then 0:20:52.600 --> 0:21:01.720 his second year he became special teams coach. His third 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:06.439 year was Bill park Sells first year as a head coach, 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:16.480 and he named Bill Belichick the defensive coordinator. Man. I 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:19.960 had a fit. I mean I was, I was, I 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:25.480 was raising, hell the fuck this man? Man? Get back? 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:30.040 Then and there shack some balls and I was, I was, 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:35.000 I was really pissed. I went into Bill's office. I said, Man, 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:38.960 what the fuck are you doing? Manden? Hey, you're gonna 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:42.639 name him as as defensive coordinator? And Bill told me, 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:48.200 he said, let me tell you something. All the defenses 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:50.520 that we've been running for the last couple of years 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:59.000 of Bill Belichick's design. He designed all these daggon defense. Yeah, hey, 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:03.679 he den behind all the defenses for for And I 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:09.680 was shocked, and I gave him my I told Bill, 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:12.959 he was ship, I give you my blessings. Man, go ahead, 0:22:13.520 --> 0:22:19.520 and I'm to tell you what. Personality wise he's whatever andever. 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:24.320 But I'll tell you what for Somebody that knows football 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:31.600 knows defense. Knows. Hey, he knows what you're supposed to do. Oh, 0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:34.840 he's bad. He's a bad man. He's a bad man. 0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:37.640 Parcels. 0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:41.840 Bill Parcells has always been my main man. You know, 0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:45.320 I'll do anything for Bill. You know, Bill Love. He 0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:48.640 was a guy that brought me to the Giants, and 0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:54.240 I remember he was and he taught they he worked 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:57.440 with me, And I ain't gonna say that he worked 0:22:57.440 --> 0:22:59.280 with me. God damn already knew what I was doing 0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:05.840 when that got there. But he I member Bill. I'm 0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:11.600 telling you a quick story. I member Bill Parcells. Parcells. 0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:18.879 My first week in the NFL, Parcells was on my ass. 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:25.800 I mean you know, I was on the second team. 0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:30.320 I was on the second team. John Scoorpan was in 0:23:30.320 --> 0:23:32.680 front of me. I was on the second team. That 0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:37.080 last no, I was on the third team. I was thirteen. 0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:42.320 That lasted about five minutes, Okay, Then I moved to 0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:46.920 the first team. That took about another two minutes. So 0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:54.840 I'm sitting there and Bill is telling me he's on 0:23:54.880 --> 0:23:59.359 my ass every fun because because you know, when you 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:02.760 he's something, you see a diamond in a rough. You know, 0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:07.840 you can't just hey, you gotta you got to talk 0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:11.680 to him and make him go and the right direction 0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:13.879 and stuff. So he was make me go the right direction. 0:24:14.000 --> 0:24:17.119 But every play he was on my ass. I was 0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:21.560 just coming out of college, you know, and university. Every 0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:25.160 play he's on my ass. Oh, you gotta be over here, 0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:27.280 you gotta be here, you gotta be here, you gotta 0:24:27.280 --> 0:24:29.600 be here. I'm saying there, I'm making it. I would 0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:34.760 dig on rush the quarterback. The quarterback was set up, 0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:39.680 throw the ball thirty yards down field. I would turn 0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:43.840 around and run down there and knock the ball away. 0:24:44.080 --> 0:24:46.000 And he said, what the fuck are you doing down there? 0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:52.320 The hell you doing thirty hello? Every day on my ass, 0:24:52.440 --> 0:24:55.399 my ass? And I finally say, hey, hold up, coach, 0:24:55.920 --> 0:25:00.400 hold on. You can do whatever you want. You can 0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:04.040 trade me, you can cut me, you can put John 0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:10.920 score Pan back at a linebacker. I don't care, I said, 0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:13.520 I don't care, but you've got to stay off my 0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:16.640 ass because I tell you what I can't. I don't 0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:19.000 work like that. It didn't work like that in college. 0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:21.119 It ain't gonna work like that in here because of 0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:24.480 this day. I can't work like that. And Bill Paul say, 0:25:24.520 --> 0:25:32.280 he looked at me. He said, Okay, I think he said, okay, motherfucker. 0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:35.960 But I don't know what he said, but I think, okay, 0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:44.440 never worked for the Brothers. That never works for the Brothers. Brothers, sorry, 0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:46.560 he said. He said, Okay, I tell you what I'm 0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:48.160 gonna do. I'm gonna let you do it your way. 0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:54.560 That works for the Brothers. He said. As soon as 0:25:54.560 --> 0:25:57.919 you mess up, I'm gonna be in your ass and 0:25:57.960 --> 0:26:00.920 you're gonna do it my way. I tell him, that's 0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:05.040 very cool. I never had another commosation with him for 0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:07.919 the next twelve years. Yeah, he had no problem with 0:26:07.920 --> 0:26:09.879 what I was doing. I love it. You know. 0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:13.239 Did you see the viral video of Belichick leaving his 0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:15.920