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Speaker 2: New York seven.

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Speaker 3: You and l V lember to Larry Johnson.

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Speaker 1: Let's go ask where we should go? And y'all flooded it, man, So.

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Speaker 4: We appreciate the love than that, y'all coming out and

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Speaker 2: We appreciate y'all. M hm hm Jack.

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Speaker 1: Great way to end this la rep runoff with the

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Speaker 1: with the absolute legend, arguably the greatest of all time. Man,

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Speaker 1: Let's walk up to the show. Lawrence table Man hell

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Speaker 1: two times Super Bowl chap eleven time All Pro, three

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Speaker 1: time Defensive Player of the Year, was robbed with only

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Speaker 1: one MVP in eighty six, again arguably one of the

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Speaker 1: greatest of all time. How is life currently right now?

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you get a lot of golf in you

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Speaker 1: know what, I tell you.

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Speaker 2: My golf game right now it's not where it used

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Speaker 2: to be.

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Speaker 1: I heard at one point you're like a two handed

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Speaker 2: I mean I used to be like a plus two.

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Speaker 2: But now you know what, I've gotten old. I've got

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Speaker 2: no old. God say a life is treated me poorly.

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Speaker 2: I've gotten old. I thought I would never get old,

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Speaker 2: you know. I thought I would beat the baddest on

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Speaker 2: the earth for at least fifty He's still up there. Okay,

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Speaker 2: now we're still up there.

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Speaker 1: Michael Strahan, Yeah, Michael Strahan. Michael straight said, he said,

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Speaker 1: he just stopped being afraid of You's intimidating.

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Speaker 5: And it took me until hell recently to not be

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Speaker 5: intimidated when I see.

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Speaker 2: I tell you, life is what it is. Uh, the

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Speaker 2: game of football, I don't watch it the way I

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Speaker 2: used to watch it, you know, because now this has

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Speaker 2: changed a little bit. Nobody want to hit nobody, you know. So,

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Speaker 2: but we're not gonna talk about my problem. We'll talk

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Speaker 2: about your problem. I'm decorry college just.

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Speaker 1: Right, urban legend or truth. You've shot ten holy ones

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Speaker 1: in your golf ten.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I haven't a.

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Speaker 1: Man for the furthest one out? What was your first

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Speaker 2: Probably the furthest one out was to twelve? Because see,

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Speaker 2: I'm not like you. I don't play from the frontiers

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Speaker 1: I play all the way to the Whites.

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Speaker 2: I played all the play back.

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Speaker 1: I played the Whites or the Blues.

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Speaker 2: The locker room I did up in front of the build,

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Speaker 2: the tips that I don't know this. I don't know this.

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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone said, I mean, we talked to James Worthy.

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Speaker 1: We've talked to a lot of different people. Everyone that

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Speaker 1: you're just a super athlete. Anything you put your mind to,

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Speaker 1: you were able to accomplish, either than your football career.

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Speaker 1: Speech for yourself, but James Worthy said, you used to

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Speaker 1: hoop with them and open gyms. Be the most athletic

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Speaker 2: I guess I learned from my dad and as I

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Speaker 2: got older, you know, like I said, I started out

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Speaker 2: as playing baseball. You know. I was when I was

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Speaker 2: six years old. I went out for baseball. I made

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Speaker 2: every All Star team until every All Star team except.

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Speaker 2: My first year I didn't and every other team I

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Speaker 2: I've been playing baseball, you know, going into my junior year.

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Speaker 2: You know, he said, listen, you should have started. You know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, all this day I'm running with listen, all

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Speaker 2: I won the game for the team, and suff it

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Speaker 2: was a whole great game. And guess what the next game,

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Speaker 2: I got better. Then I got better, then I got better.

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Speaker 2: Then I got better and got it, and I got better

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Speaker 2: you something, I was a hell of a baseball player.

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Speaker 2: I was the catcher. But hey, when I hit.

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Speaker 2: But I tell you I enjoyed and my junior year,

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Speaker 2: my senior year, and then all of a sudden, I

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Speaker 2: go to college and play play football. Once I got

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Speaker 2: or the next day. By the time I get to

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Speaker 2: the game, I've already played that game twenty times already.

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Speaker 2: I've already played it twenty times a month. I already

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Speaker 2: know what the hell you're gonna do. Ain't but so

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Speaker 2: many Listen, guy lines up here and you give them

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Speaker 2: the ball. But ain't, but so much you can do it? Okay,

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Speaker 2: you know shitna run it? Or you line up on

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Speaker 2: the player and I look at your formation. Ain't for

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Speaker 2: so much you can do for a formation. You can't

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Speaker 2: just you can't just make it happen. No, No, And

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Speaker 2: guys gotta gotta learn how to read the formation, because

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Speaker 2: you know there's a hundred plays in in football, one

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Speaker 2: hundred different plays and stuff. Well, if you look at

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Speaker 2: the formation, you can narrow narrow it down to three

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Speaker 2: or four plays. Even, so many things you can do

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Speaker 2: you can do, all right. So that's how I am.

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Speaker 2: That's how I look at the game. Yeah yeah, look

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Speaker 2: at the signs and then don't act. Now, if I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't I wouldn't understand either, Just me too. Ship.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into football, I really want to touch

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Speaker 1: on what do you remember about the pickup games of

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Speaker 1: North Carolina on the basketball court? I mean you were

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you something. Hey, look we hit back

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Speaker 2: in the day. We used to going to go out

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Speaker 2: for the the intermediate Uh yeah, yeah, we won the

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Speaker 2: But you know, we ain't really cheat. One of our

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Speaker 2: technicality against that. But I used to go out there

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Speaker 2: and play with all the boys, I mean, Jordan James Worthy,

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Speaker 2: all those guys that I used to go out there

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Speaker 2: and play. And what.

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Speaker 1: Was your game like?

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Speaker 2: Well, see, the problem is I couldn't hit nothing from

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Speaker 2: they used to say they just say that, say, well

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Speaker 2: I could, I could, I could shoot the ball. I'm

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Speaker 2: off and I'm decent in defense. I already got mad

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Speaker 2: because they only give you six files, you gardener, getting

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Speaker 2: more than six files. I need more than six fis.

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Speaker 4: Imagine somebody imagine you having more than six foules.

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Speaker 1: We dead lt is on me. I'm passing that bitch.

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Speaker 1: Cut it out, someone else do something.

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Speaker 2: I love the years that Carolina. I think it's one

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Speaker 2: of the best schools far as getting meeting people and

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Speaker 1: Just that the whole preparing you for life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, because I've been to a lot of ship

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Speaker 2: that the lot of ship that Carolina, you know, been

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Speaker 2: threatened to kick. Maybe this is one year, okay, I'm

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Speaker 2: not gonna tell you. Come on, going in too much.

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Speaker 2: Senior year and we're out and some of my boys

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Speaker 2: and stuff, and they got this big old festival and stuff, right,

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Speaker 2: So we go to the festival because it's right there

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Speaker 2: a couple of my boys stole a couple of items

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Speaker 2: whole because like, you know, ain't nobody gonna suck Maybe,

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Speaker 2: I mean, save my language, but anybody's gonna mess with me.

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Speaker 2: So I sit there and I held the ambers and

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Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, the the the lady, that's

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Speaker 2: got anyway, I got sent to back in college. Uh

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Speaker 2: So I got sent there, me and a couple of

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Speaker 2: So decided, you know, he can play, he's just not

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Speaker 2: allowed to be on South campus. Okay. So they put

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Speaker 1: So so you got in trouble and it got better.

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Speaker 6: it was a girl's dorm, bete right across now, greatest

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Speaker 1: It was one time. The trouble was that want to

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Speaker 1: work for me? All bad trouble turns into gold. I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you speak to your friendship. Obviously every week you

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Speaker 1: got a good relationship with Michael Jordan. But how's that start?

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Speaker 1: And how is it in one of those golf matches, like,

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Speaker 1: I know you guys both being very competitive.

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Speaker 2: Well, Mike, when I actually my senior year, not my

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Speaker 2: senior right after I seen my rookie year in and

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Speaker 2: I came back to finish up school that summer. And

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Speaker 2: so he was playing with the team, practice with the team,

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Speaker 2: and uh, what what's the coach thing? Dean Smith allowed

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Speaker 2: me to practice with him, right, he allowed me to practice,

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Speaker 2: and Mike was always every time I turned around, he

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Speaker 2: just saked. Hey, call him foul foul, foul, foule. I

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Speaker 2: just hit you a little bit, Come on, man. So

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Speaker 2: every time Mike had the ball, I wanted to guard.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to guard Mike because it was and it

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Speaker 2: was the pain you gun I am because I know

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Speaker 2: Michae was dropping you off. Yeah, yeah, he gonna drop

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Speaker 2: me off. He's gonna drop me off of a little

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Speaker 2: something in his egg gonna Yeah, I'm gonna throw something now.

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Speaker 2: So you know, I'm not saying that I'm a fair player.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying I'm a player player. I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: but hey, we used to have a great time doing that.

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Speaker 2: He is truly, you know, he's one of the best.

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Speaker 2: But I'm the best when I come to when it

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Speaker 2: comes to fouling, though, But you dun't. You can't ask

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Speaker 2: that question, could I dump?

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Speaker 2: What was Bill like back then, late Jackson, when Belichick

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Speaker 1: Parcels.

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Speaker 2: Bill Parcells has always been my main man. You know,

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Speaker 2: he said. He said, Okay, I tell you what I'm

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Speaker 1: Bill Belichick just retired and he was leaving his girl's house. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Ain't no problem.

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Speaker 2: I just want to know if you.

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Speaker 2: I want it all?

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, hey, let's say, hey, I'm gonna hurt somebody. Okay,

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00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 2: I mean to hit somebody, but hurt but listen. But

434
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 2: it wasn't until and then Parcels. I remember when Parcels

435
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 2: used to call meetings and he want all the all

436
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: the all the the older players to come that because

437
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 2: those were the teams captains and stuff like that. And

438
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: and and I remember when he called the meeting and

439
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 2: he asked me, he said, hey, l T, I want you,

440
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 2: I want you in this Well I wasn't LT. Then

441
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 2: I was Lawrence, Okayn, I want you in this meeting.

442
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: And I went to the meeting and and I said God,

443
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 2: and I felt funny because I got all these senior

444
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: guys in there, you know, all the Harry Carson, Phil Simms,

445
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: uh uh, Brian Kelly, all the senior players were in there,

446
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: and I don't know what the hell am I doing.

447
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: He said, listen, because look at that group. You said

448
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 2: you better than all of them. That hit me. And

449
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: I'll tell you I when I went out there on Sundays,

450
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: no matter where I'm coming from.

451
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 5: Hey, I come to work, come to work. I'm ready

452
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 5: to talk to us a.

453
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: Little bit about those those New York Knights. And I

454
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: mean you had plenty of them. Mike Tyson was out there.

455
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: Dyale Strawberry Dwight Gooding yourself. There was a lot of

456
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: young black, rich talent out New York in the eighties

457
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: all the time.

458
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: Listen, and we all went to the same place. He's

459
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 2: not here. Yeah, he's not here, the Dago Cluffe Covin

460
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: uh and in New York City, he's not here. That

461
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: was the hottest place, hottest. He's not here. He's not here. Boy,

462
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, uh uh Ship.

463
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 4: Taking him back at the moment, take us back to

464
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 4: he's not here.

465
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: What would it be like right now? We was in

466
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: he's not here with you right now, I'm spoken for him.

467
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 2: Thank you. It was that popping in there, It was

468
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: it was amazing. If you got that body, you got Mike, Tyson,

469
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: you got you got everybody and there's somebody.

470
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mayor were you there with What was it like?

471
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: Would you and Mike develop a friendship? Tyson?

472
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: You know what? See Mike, you gotta be careful around Mike,

473
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah.

474
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 4: But Michael, guy, I'm thinking about that right now, like

475
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 4: you worry about Mike.

476
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: Ship, I've been in the room with Michael. I'm in

477
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 2: the room with jobs. I don't know how I was

478
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: sitting there. You listen, you're gonna mic sometimes and listen.

479
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 2: He's a great guy, love to death, and we have

480
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 2: a great relationship. But you may say the wrong thing

481
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: you don't even know, and then all of a sudden

482
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: your asses and your ass is in trouble. What hey,

483
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: But what what a great man? I tell you? And

484
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: I think about all the people I've met, uh in

485
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: New York in the through sports and stuff, you know,

486
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: and like Tice, all kinds of baseball players, basketball players.

487
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I used to sit out there with

488
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: he uh when Mike would come to the to the

489
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: Jordan would come to the Mason Square guarden, sit on

490
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: the floor and then we'd be talking. But all the things,

491
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: all the people that I've met, and all the people

492
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: that have played in New York and and I mean

493
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: missed October, I mean all everybody got, you know, it's

494
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: like a family. And yeah, I'm I'm happy to be

495
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: here because I can't think of any other place I

496
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: could have gone to where I can control the situation.

497
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: But you mentioned all these great people, but you were

498
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: the biggest star.

499
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: I was the biggest star. It wasn't the biggest I

500
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: was big. That wasn't big no, No, to a point, boy,

501
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: if I would have got sleep at night, I would

502
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: have been We understand that too. Yeah, I mean that

503
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: was you know, Jack and I were both known.

504
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: That's how we met. Was we been hard on off

505
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: the court? Do you ever feel like what you did

506
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: and you know obviously you're kind of speaking to it.

507
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: You know, the night life ever hindered you?

508
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I mean, you know, I look back at

509
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 2: I look back at it now. But did you know what?

510
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 2: And I say to myself, I say to myself, look

511
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: where you're at now, I mean, or look, whether you

512
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: have achieved, chieved? Could you have done it better? Now?

513
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: If I would have gone home every day, if I

514
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 2: would have dead, gone go to the gym every day,

515
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: if I didn't drink Johnny Walker black every day, could

516
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: I have been better? Maybe not? Maybe that was your

517
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 2: ship though I don't know. I don't know, maybe not.

518
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 2: How could you know when you still end up being him? Buddy.

519
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 2: Guys don't drink, don't smoke, and they do everything.

520
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: They just ain't got it.

521
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: It just got it. It just ain't in them. A

522
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 2: lot of people like that all the time.

523
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: The mental side of the game. Something like you said,

524
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 1: you prepared. You need the formations, but also the intimidation side.

525
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: So on top of the mental intimidation because they knew

526
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: you as a bad motherfucker. Were you a big ship

527
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: talker too?

528
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 2: Am I gonna talk ship? I don't mean to be rude,

529
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 2: but motheruck. If you can't play, you can't play. God damn,

530
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 2: get off the field. I mean to get somebody else.

531
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 2: I used to sit there and listen, hey, hey, hey, hey,

532
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 2: hey hey, you're blocking.

533
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: Me long day.

534
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 2: Why don't you tell the coach you got a cold

535
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: or something? Hey? Uh, it's once you get the the

536
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: timing of the game, the feel of the game. The uh.

537
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: If you get to a point where you think you

538
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 2: can beat some one person all the time, oh god,

539
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 2: I feel sorry for him. I feel sorry for him.

540
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 2: I made shire help. You know you got you got? Baby?

541
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: At least hit me one time where I'm like, oh shit,

542
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 2: this guy. Make him play a little bit, you know. Yeah,

543
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: it works that way, but it is what it is. Man,

544
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: football great sport. I enjoyed it. I mean I lived it.

545
00:35:53,640 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: I dreamt about it. I I I'm all about contact.

546
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: I don't listen, don't get me involved in a two

547
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 2: hand touch a game. I want contact because that's all.

548
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 2: And don't give me the daggon, don't give me the

549
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 2: second string. I used to hate that someone's coming and

550
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 2: bring the second string guy and put over me. That's

551
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: an insulting Listen, what the hell he gonna do? I

552
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 2: wanted to beat the best that you got, you know,

553
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 2: Anthony Munos and something like that. Guy, Hey, I want you.

554
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: I want the best that you got, Anthony, Larry Allen.

555
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: H just just several. I mean, there's a couple of

556
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: guys that played for and for San Francisco. Uh uh uh.

557
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: There was one guy from Saint Louis. I mean, a

558
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 2: black dude. I've got his name now, but because he

559
00:36:53,120 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 2: didn't leave a card, you know. But uh yeah, oh boy, Okay,

560
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 2: that's enough.

561
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 4: Okay, moves and TV shows that acting come naturally like

562
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 4: everything else pretty much.

563
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 2: I mean, let's say, because you know what, most of

564
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 2: the movies I mean, I play me, Yeah, you know,

565
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 2: I played me. I mean it was only a comfort

566
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: movies that was way offline, like the one that played

567
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: when I was I was a preacher that was way

568
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 2: that was way offline. Man. But moe was that I

569
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 2: forgot the name of it, but you've been a preacher.

570
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 2: Probably why we didn't see it. That's why we didn't

571
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 2: see it. Probably ship ship nothing, gold show, Oh damn

572
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 2: it go the ship damn oh fu love love love

573
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: one love what God? I can't wait to rob him.

574
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 2: I can't wait to rob I can't wait to rob

575
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 2: this one. What's up? Bro?

576
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: Talk to us about any given Sunday we had Jamie

577
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: on the show. He said there was beef with Team

578
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: him in l L. What was that experience like? Because

579
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: to me, that's one of the great football movies ever.

580
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: I go, I mean drug Rehab. Okay, it was nineteen

581
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: where he was that nineteen ninety seven, seven seventh of

582
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: ninety eight. You know, how were you there with me?

583
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 2: The movie? Movie came out ninety nine, right russe number.

584
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: When year the movie came out. I said, y'all see Okay, yeah,

585
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: well we we filmed, we filmed here, were feeling in Florida.

586
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 2: We actually went We filmed in Florida, okay, and then

587
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 2: we moved. Then we went to Dallas. But anyway, I'm

588
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 2: trying to say, I'm sitting in a drug rehab and

589
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: my last one, my last we had. I ain't had

590
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 2: no more. But Oliver Stone came all the way to

591
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: the That's that's crazy right there. Olive Stone pulled up

592
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: on rehab. He all came to the rehab me and said, listen, hey,

593
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 2: I want you to play a part in the movie.

594
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: And I said, I don't know if I can, because

595
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 2: you know, hell, according to these motherfuckers, I want to

596
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: be here for a while.

597
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: So I go.

598
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden they hired what was

599
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 2: the big guy from like the Green Mile, and uh,

600
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: Michael Michael Clark duncan, right, so I get out of rehab.

601
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 2: But they hired Michael Clarke Duncanto to play the role

602
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 2: as Shark. Right. You know, he's practiced of these practicing

603
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 2: and stuff, and they you know, doing stuff, and so

604
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 2: he said in the office Stone, he said, let's not

605
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 2: tell you what we're shooting in Miami once you come

606
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 2: down and and give us some porners for like a

607
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: like an expert on hand, you know. So I said,

608
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: I go on down there. I'm sitting there on this

609
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 2: and and they run this stain, run this this, this,

610
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 2: they run this play and uh, Michael duncan he he

611
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: it's this guy. And all I could see was Marshmallows,

612
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 2: Tell what the hell is that? It's nothing real? I

613
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 2: mean and arv stole. He came to me say, I

614
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 2: just don't feel it. I can't feel it. You know

615
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't feel it. He said, do me

616
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: a favor, he said. I said, yes, sir. He said,

617
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 2: go inside, put on the uniform, show the past helmet,

618
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 2: put on some gear, and come out and show him

619
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 2: how to run this play, right. I said, okay, you're

620
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: paying me. I go in, I go out, go inside,

621
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 2: come back out. Hey the play. We run the play

622
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: bam bam bam. I come in, I fill the hole.

623
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 2: I hit the something boom and this said he and

624
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: I thought he was dead anyway, but alvut Stone jumps up.

625
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about. That's the type of ship

626
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 2: I wanted to see. He looked at Michael Duny, say

627
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 2: you fine on the spot, on the spot, fine, lt

628
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 2: let's play. And and so he gave me his part.

629
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 2: And that's how that's how I thought, yeah, yeah.

630
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: The way with the chainsaw cutting the car and half.

631
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm laying on the field taking that last hit.

632
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 4: You made that look so real like it made me

633
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 4: feel like we've seen it makes you like we've seen.

634
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: You on the field in real time in that same

635
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 2: position before.

636
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: You know.

637
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: That's how good you made that character. I'm not saying

638
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 2: I was a good show. I was into the moment

639
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: the show. Yeah, you have me believe in it. I

640
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 2: thought you was really hurt. I thought you I thought

641
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: you really hurt out. I ain't hitting nobody at.

642
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 1: Home, quick hitters.

643
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: We're gonna finish it off when we don't feel in

644
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: the blank. Lawrence Taylor would be wouldn't be here without

645
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be well you say here like here in

646
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Speaker 2: this room today today, I wouldn't be here today. Web

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Speaker 2: styles my dog niche yeah, my girl, Yeah, yeah, all right,

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Speaker 2: that's right. I wouldn't. I wouldn't because I got some

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Speaker 2: some legal ship that be doing.

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Speaker 1: Stupid.

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Speaker 2: I might met my match job, Yeah, top me.

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Speaker 1: Phil Simps told the story one time about you him

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Speaker 1: you driving down the term probably going fast as he

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Speaker 1: thought he was gonna die.

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Speaker 2: You took your chew.

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Speaker 1: Out and threw it out, and your super Bowl ring

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Speaker 1: came off to.

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Speaker 2: Truth to that soup for the souper, No ring. My

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Speaker 2: super Bowl ring never.

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Speaker 1: Came off, was it? A ring or anything or was

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Speaker 1: that just you was just making it sound good.

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Speaker 2: It was just spit that came out. Yeah, that wasn't true.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, next, childhood my childhood crush. H damn a

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Speaker 2: childhood crush probably though, one of them, uh, one of

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Speaker 2: them Jackson's. But I'm not talking about Michael. Yeah, no, Michael.

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Speaker 1: I don't need no Michel.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what else? Stupid ship? You got more stupid question?

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Speaker 1: Your favorite album of all time?

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Speaker 2: It got me some type of Luther vandraw. You like

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Speaker 2: to chill it out? Wots to me? Taste something? When

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Speaker 2: I started doing that, how do you think I caught her.

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Speaker 3: Big Luther a little? The ear ring, the earring, the

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Speaker 3: single ear ring.

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Speaker 1: You started a fashion trend way back. When Where'd that

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Speaker 1: come from?

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm not really sure, but I know when

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Speaker 2: I came into the league, they started calling me l

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Speaker 2: t Oh, no, it was it was Lawrence at first,

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Speaker 2: you know, or Larry or something like that. It was, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: you look like Larry, but a guy that made made

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Speaker 2: the air ring for me. And because my first year,

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Speaker 2: my second year into the league, I started being identified

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Speaker 2: as LT and you know, we had one two defensive

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Speaker 2: players over the years. Well, I said, so they identified me.

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Speaker 2: It's just and I've always wanted to be like, you know,

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Speaker 2: like Michael Jorge m j uh signature. You know that

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Speaker 2: Michael Jackson. He's in there too. But man, the guys

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Speaker 2: that were just identified just by their always wanted to

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Speaker 2: do that, and it started to happen. I just stayed

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Speaker 2: on that boat.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't tell you ship, They can't tell me. Lawrence Taylor

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Speaker 1: Family Foundation. You can have your daughter come help explain

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Speaker 1: it if you like. But talk to us, yes, yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: come on.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm tell you what we can from there. Now.

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Speaker 2: It's a great foundation. And tell you what they we

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Speaker 2: We work with a lot of kids, and I mean

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Speaker 2: the things we have done over like like food. I

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Speaker 2: mean as far as we're providing for uh families that

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Speaker 2: come over, they can they can come and get food

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Speaker 2: on weekends and stuff like that. And that's how I

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Speaker 2: started with them, or or find out found out about them.

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Speaker 2: But they do a lot concerning kids. And yeah, but

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Speaker 2: he nobody can talk better about it than my daughter

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Speaker 2: because I'm just I'm the face. I'm the face.

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Speaker 1: Huh, she said, say my name like Beyonce.

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Speaker 2: I got a lot of kids.

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Speaker 1: You want to speak of it?

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Speaker 2: What else? What else the foundation does?

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Speaker 7: So we're transforming families, right, We're building well rounded families.

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Speaker 7: So when you have the opportunity to change a child's life,

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Speaker 7: it is hard when they go home, right because those parents,

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Speaker 7: those families, they don't have the same tools, the same

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Speaker 7: skill sets. So our goal is to build well rounded families.

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Speaker 7: Why because I came from a broken home, no offense,

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Speaker 7: love you Dealley, shout out to my dad. But when

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Speaker 7: you are not from a well rounded family, you get

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Speaker 7: two sides of different coin. So we want to build

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Speaker 7: families who have the same skill sets that we're building

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Speaker 7: in the children. So our goal is to create healthy,

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Speaker 7: well rounded families. Not that the family consists of a

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Speaker 7: man and a female. It consists of whoever is who,

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Speaker 7: whatever is a part of that child's life, whatever is

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Speaker 7: creating the foundation, because that foundation is what we are.

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Speaker 7: That's that's what we're what we're headed into, you know.

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Speaker 7: So our goal is to transform the lives of those

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Speaker 7: that we see every day. So if the child that

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Speaker 7: we feed and that we are creating tutoring and life

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Speaker 7: skills for it goes home to a parent who has

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Speaker 7: no job, who just got in jail. They there's a disconnect.

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Speaker 7: So our work is to create opportunities for that father.

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Speaker 7: So exactly, you have to build the family, you have

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Speaker 7: to build the union foundation. We're building well known families,

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Speaker 7: not just children, because that's what creates the better outcome. Right,

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Speaker 7: And so while we love lt for always showing up,

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Speaker 7: you know, we do the work and he shows up

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Speaker 7: and he gives us that that that vibe, that energy,

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Speaker 7: because that's what people want to see. They don't really

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Speaker 7: care about what we're doing in the community because that's

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Speaker 7: not where they're connected to.

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Speaker 2: They care about get close to him. So that's great,

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Speaker 2: use it.

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Speaker 7: Let's raise this money and then let's give it back

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Speaker 7: to the community. That's what it's about. And so we

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Speaker 7: we leveraged that because I love him, But from my

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Speaker 7: own personal experience, I understand the disconnect. I understand what

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Speaker 7: it's like to be a part of one life and

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Speaker 7: then to go into another life and my parents when

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Speaker 7: my parents divorced, I experienced two different types of realities.

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Speaker 2: And all right, though a couple of dollars, thank you.

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Speaker 7: Energy to really help us do the work. So we thanking,

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Speaker 7: We love him.

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Speaker 2: And we love y'all for having no Thank you appreciate

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Speaker 2: Lawrence Family Foundation. Yeah, Taylor Family, Lawrence Taylor Family.

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Speaker 1: Can they find that? Is it dot com dot dot com?

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Speaker 1: L T Man, We appreciate you. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: You were amazing.

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Speaker 2: Amen. Thank you for don't go to sleep, don't try

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Speaker 2: to ride me in that motherfucker got you, man.

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Speaker 1: That's what the legendary Lorrence Taylor. You can catch us

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Speaker 1: on the Draft Kings networking to all the Smoke Productions

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Speaker 1: YouTube Man Gold episode Yes, sir, mm hmmmm

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm