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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Favorites, the podcast presented by BET three

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Speaker 1: I am Chad Moman of the Action Network. Today I'm

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Speaker 1: joined as always by my co host, my companion, my

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Speaker 1: compadre might be ff professional better, Simon Hunter.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Simon, Chad Draft Week. Brother, this is this is

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Speaker 2: this is the best.

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Speaker 1: We've made it. I'm actually in New York this week.

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Speaker 1: been here for the last couple of days and the

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Speaker 1: like spring, it's finally here. Joining us to talk all

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Speaker 1: things NFL Draft. Is a man so obsessed with it

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Speaker 1: he ranks five hundred prospects. He is a man who

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Speaker 1: loves college football so much you'd have to call him.

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Speaker 1: One of the original listeners of BBOC with Stuckey and

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Speaker 1: Colin Wilson. You can find his draft big board and

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Speaker 1: rankings across every position at our friends at Fantasy Life,

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Speaker 1: Matthew Berry's Fantasy Life A man highly recommended by Matthew Friedman,

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Speaker 1: who was on the show last week, and he said,

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Speaker 1: if you're going to get anybody, get this guy. And

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Speaker 1: that's saying a lot because Matthew he doesn't like to

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, thor Aneistrom.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Chad. It's good to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: Good to meet you.

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Speaker 4: I been a fan of years for a long time

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Speaker 4: and excited to talk about the draft today.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on, buddy. I love I love your backdrop.

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Speaker 1: I love that you have, you know, as many helmets

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Speaker 1: as there are lakes in Minnesota, so that is fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Before we get to it, like, can you explain how

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Speaker 1: you collected all these FBS helmets?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I started I started just picking them off on Amazon.

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Speaker 4: You know, like because when you start and you have

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Speaker 4: one hundred and thirty four to go, you're just looking

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Speaker 4: for the cheapest price points, and then at a certain

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Speaker 4: point you get enough where then you have to have

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Speaker 4: a spreadsheet of the ones to go, and then at

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Speaker 4: a certain point from there you're going to have to

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Speaker 4: start getting individual and then searching them out on the way.

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Speaker 4: But a couple of them, I had to go to

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Speaker 4: the university bookstores to get a couple of those up

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Speaker 4: there right like when we Some of them are pretty rare,

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Speaker 4: right like at the very bottom of the FBS. But

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Speaker 4: we completed. We completed our collection about a year ago.

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Speaker 4: We have now moved down to the FCS. I completed

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Speaker 4: the NFL one in one fel swoop. I just bought

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Speaker 4: all thirty two at one time. But now we're back

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Speaker 4: on the grind with the FCS helmets.

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Speaker 1: By the way, who's weed You have a partner in

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Speaker 1: your collection collection?

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Speaker 4: No, it's it's Thor incorporated with the helmet collection.

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Speaker 1: How much have you spent on those?

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Speaker 4: Oh gosh, yeah, a decent amount. But I will say

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Speaker 4: I got pretty good price points on most of the

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Speaker 4: ones behind me that was back at Amazon. When you

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Speaker 4: get those for twenty twenty two bucks, some of them

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Speaker 4: even like eighteen with the shipping. So every time I

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Speaker 3: Of that FBS collection doing that, so some of it may.

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Speaker 4: Be a little bit cheaper, but of course there were

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Speaker 4: some in there where you had to get more expensive

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Speaker 3: They are so a decent amount, So.

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Speaker 1: It's fair to say you've spent at least twenty five

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Speaker 1: hundred dollars on your helmet collection. Admirable. I hope you

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Speaker 1: all right, I mentioned it off the top. You do

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Speaker 1: the four five hundred, you're ranking five hundred prospects with

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Speaker 1: five hundred player comparisons. There are only two hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty seven total draft spots, so you're basically doing twice

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Speaker 1: the work. Why are you doing this?

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Speaker 4: Because I love it. I guess it would be number

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Speaker 4: one and then number two. I mean, like the reason

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Speaker 4: that I constructed the board that big is because when

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Speaker 4: I was a kid, I'm gonna date myself, but like,

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Speaker 4: we didn't have big boards on the internet, you know

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Speaker 4: any I mean when I was in elementary schools, like

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Speaker 4: when the internet was like invented, right, Like, but I

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Speaker 4: was obsessed with the NFL Draft from the jump, and

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Speaker 4: so the way I could get big boards would be

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Speaker 4: on spring break when we were at the airport.

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Speaker 3: You go to the Hudson bookstore.

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Speaker 4: You know, and then you're there, You're like looking for

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Speaker 4: the biggest big board in the back because I want

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Speaker 4: to follow along when the draft was going cross off

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Speaker 4: names but you'd only get like fifty player big board

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Speaker 4: in the back one hundred player big board like never

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Speaker 4: never longer than that, And so it always frustrated me

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Speaker 4: It wasn't going fast enough for me, So I was like,

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Speaker 4: why doesn't someone have a bigger big board than this

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Speaker 4: get you through the draft, but also gets you into

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Speaker 4: the udfaith process. So that's why I went to five hundred.

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Speaker 4: And then I love player comps and I always wonder

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Speaker 4: why there, you know, there wasn't more player comps out there.

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Speaker 4: Everyone comps the top guys, what about the other guys?

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Speaker 4: So anyway, that's I'm kind of a sickle with it,

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Speaker 3: So I hope people like.

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Speaker 1: Him, Simon, I don't know about you. Every year at

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Speaker 1: for the NBA Draft. My son and I will watch

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Speaker 1: the NBA Draft. We love it, absolutely love it, and

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Speaker 1: I always make him pretend to give the speech where

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Speaker 1: watching it. The one thing I hate. So I'm going

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Speaker 1: to pick a bone with Thor right off the bat. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I love him already, but I'm going to pick a bone.

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Speaker 1: I hate the player of comparisons, Simon. I don't know

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Speaker 1: about you, but like because too often the player comparisons,

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Speaker 1: to Hall of Fame. It's so unrealistic. It makes absolutely

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Speaker 1: no sense. Simon, I don't know if you have a

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Speaker 1: thought just as a as content, do you find value

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Speaker 1: And should we just tell Thor to get the fuck

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: I love player comps. It's it's it's why football is

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Speaker 1: Chat.

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Speaker 2: These people need to fill airtime and to compare a

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Speaker 3: This is why we love football.

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Speaker 2: It's the best, especially when they come on there and

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Speaker 2: it's always about, you know, comparing someone that you know,

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Speaker 3: So I'm with you it is stupid. But it's someone

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Speaker 2: Watching the draft. I love it because if it's your guy,

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Speaker 2: I can see that comparison if you're this guy's been

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Speaker 3: But I'm with you. Chat.

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Speaker 2: Every year, it's gotten worse since they've started doing I

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Speaker 4: I clearly have a different take on player cons you know,

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Speaker 4: You know, you start going on day three, the picks

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Speaker 4: Like, I want to know that you know a little

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Speaker 4: You can't always hit uh, you know, the all four

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Speaker 4: When I'm when I'm ranking a guy as a UDFA,

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Speaker 4: And so you're again you're trying to get it as

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Speaker 4: The college football ciccos, Stucky and Wilson. You shouted them

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Speaker 4: out before. Guys like that you will appreciate down the

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Speaker 4: board my comps. I think you know college football cycles

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Speaker 4: might appreciate those the most. But I'm with you, guys,

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Speaker 4: I try to keep it within the fairway as far

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Speaker 4: when you look through my board you feel like I've

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Speaker 1: Do you have a That was such a respectful answer

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Speaker 1: when I'm trying to insult you first question off the bat.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the respectful discourse. Give me an example of

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Speaker 1: a player comp that you've done in the recent past

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Speaker 4: I would say, and this wasn't even the best player

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Speaker 4: you know, you make five hundred predictions on out comes

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Speaker 4: I mean that's you cannot get one hundred percent of

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Speaker 4: Like we're trying to get fifty five, fifty six, fifty

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Speaker 3: With the value it's closer to that.

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Speaker 4: You're just trying to juice your odds at the margins

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Speaker 1: Here's what I love. Your big your latest big board.

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: So with comms, the thing that I don't like is

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Speaker 4: I started with Hunter is like, Okay, which individuals could

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Speaker 4: And so then it was like, all right, I'm you know,

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Speaker 4: We just call him shoey Otani because it's the same

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Speaker 3: It puts.

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Speaker 4: It puts the more accurate totem in the reader's brain

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Speaker 4: Is it the first time that I on my five

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Speaker 1: Listen, you got to start taking some Matthew Berry lessons

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Speaker 1: about marketing. He copied you read your stuff. He loved it.

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Speaker 1: He's like this guy Thor I'm with him. He's got

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Speaker 3: So just to own it, we're gonna go with that.

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Speaker 3: I accept that interpretation.

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Speaker 1: Tell Barry, I gave you that idea.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So looking at your big board here, it is

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Speaker 2: pretty interesting that you know, you, as a lot of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're one spot a part of my big board

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Speaker 4: bit more in the translation to the NFL Shoulder, Sanders

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Speaker 4: It consistently leads guys into space, does cool things with

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Speaker 4: So it's it's it's. Those two skills absolutely will translate

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Speaker 3: Cam Word for.

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Speaker 4: Sure has the better arm, no question about it, and

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Speaker 4: it leads to more explosive plays that you know, but

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Speaker 3: This is the Brett fav corollary.

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Speaker 4: You can't make him be more conservative without again in

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Speaker 3: With the turnovers. So Cam Woard's team, you are going

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Speaker 4: There's there's gonna be game flipping plays where he makes

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Speaker 1: Have you interesting?

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Speaker 3: I got so?

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Speaker 4: Have you?

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Speaker 2: Or would you take a position on his over under

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 4: I would nibble on that for sure. I don't think

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Speaker 4: not saying the Giants will take him, but I think

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Speaker 4: you could see Shudeer Sanders go before that. It'll be

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Speaker 4: interesting to see what the Saints and the nine slot.

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Speaker 4: Obviously that number is nodding to that. Do the Saints gets.

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Speaker 1: Here's what's interesting to me. You've got should or Sanders comp.

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Speaker 1: I love them, it's Baker Mayfield Ward is Jordan Love.

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Speaker 1: The way you described cam Ward and the high turnover

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Speaker 4: Yeah, as you guys know, like prospects, when they get

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Speaker 4: You're going to have to work on there, you know.

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Speaker 4: But again, I think that turnover worthy rate's going to

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Speaker 1: Simon, right now, if you had to make a bet,

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Speaker 2: We all I know here on this show chat, we're

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Speaker 2: a Baker show.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say to me, it's Baker. I'm

442
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Speaker 1: not sure I'm betting on Jordan Love without Matt Lafleur.

443
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Speaker 1: But I just think that's an interesting comp I like

444
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Speaker 1: what Thor did here because you guys know, you guys

445
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Speaker 1: know how much I love the comps. And now I'm

446
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Speaker 1: all in, and so I do not have to be

447
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Speaker 1: intractable when it comes to my positions and opinions. Going

448
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 1: back Thor till last year, even before JJ McCarthy was

449
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Speaker 1: drafted by Minnesota, you were all over McCarthy, one of

450
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Speaker 1: his loudest, most public advocates. Explain what brought you to

451
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Speaker 1: that conclusion? Do you still feel that way with him

452
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Speaker 1: coming off the injury?

453
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Speaker 4: For sure, I do it to the latter and to

454
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Speaker 4: the former. People are just missing it with him early

455
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Speaker 4: in the process. I gotta, you know, watch all the

456
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Speaker 4: Michigan games live down the stretch. When they won the

457
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Speaker 4: national title, they faced the procession of just killer defense,

458
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Speaker 4: as that's what a top ten pick looks like, beating

459
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Speaker 4: the Iowa's, the Penn States, the Ohio States, you know,

460
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Speaker 4: and then getting into the playoff. Like I said, it

461
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Speaker 4: was just sort of a murders row of defense, as

462
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Speaker 4: culminating in the Semis against Nick Saban's Alabama Crimson tied

463
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Speaker 4: out a nasty defense and Michigan doesn't roar back without

464
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Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy to advance the national title, and obviously they

465
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Speaker 4: whipped Washington once they got there.

466
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Speaker 3: But McCarthy elite athlete. He had a tight.

467
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Speaker 4: Hamstring at the Combine last year, he still ran the

468
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Speaker 4: six fastest three cone of anyone at any position. He

469
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Speaker 4: didn't do the runs there because of that hamstring. But

470
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Speaker 4: at Michigan they said his last own tests were high

471
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Speaker 4: four to fours. Kevin O'Connell said that he would be

472
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Speaker 4: low four five's. But however, you want to see that.

473
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Speaker 4: You see the mobility on the field, he makes people miss.

474
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Speaker 3: One of the.

475
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Speaker 4: Better on the run throwers that you will see. He

476
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 4: keeps his mechanics with him no matter what when he

477
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 4: is moving behind the line of scrimmage, so he can

478
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 4: access all three sectors of the field, and he keeps

479
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 4: his eyes down field, so you'll see some really cool

480
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 4: stuff with him creating out of structure in structure. He

481
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Speaker 4: was his wild stallion, sort of a Prospect five star

482
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Speaker 4: when he went to Michigan, and then he played in

483
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Speaker 4: the pro style offense for Jim Harbo, the twelve personnel

484
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 4: pro style offense that is very earily similar to what

485
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Speaker 4: Kevin O'Connell runs. But in that system you had to

486
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Speaker 4: learn to play within structure, right, So it's this potential

487
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Speaker 4: out of structure virtue also of a prospect that was

488
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Speaker 4: broken to play in that, you know, within the concepts

489
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Speaker 4: of that pro style system. And by the end of

490
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Speaker 4: his career, the third season before his twenty first birthday,

491
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Speaker 4: on the season where they ended up winning the national title,

492
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Speaker 4: he was the best thrower of the ball intermediate between

493
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Speaker 4: the hashes in the country. He was also the best

494
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Speaker 4: quarterback in the country on all the high leverage throws.

495
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Speaker 4: He cut the numbers third and medium, third and long,

496
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Speaker 4: all those sorts of things. He had, you know, a

497
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Speaker 4: good sample of those throws, and he was the most

498
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Speaker 4: efficient and the best in the class, and by the way,

499
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Speaker 4: against by far the hardest strength of schedule of any

500
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Speaker 4: of those six top quarterbacks and in the highest leverage spots.

501
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Speaker 4: Of course, they made that run to the national title.

502
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Speaker 4: People are like, oh, JJ, he was supported by his

503
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Speaker 4: supporting cast and they were the ones that carried him there. Really,

504
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 4: when he got to Michigan, they were two and four.

505
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Speaker 4: The team was so bad that they were considering firing

506
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Speaker 4: Jim Harbor in fact, he had to go into the

507
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Speaker 4: university president's office and accept frustrate himself essentially and accept

508
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Speaker 4: a salary reduction in order to stay. JJ came in

509
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Speaker 4: the next recruiting class. They've made the playoffs three straight seasons,

510
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Speaker 4: obviously the last season with that national title.

511
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Speaker 3: So this kid is ready to play.

512
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Speaker 4: Jim harbaught that NFL coach that he played for, the

513
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Speaker 4: citing NFL head coach that he was the best prospect

514
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Speaker 4: in last year's class. I wasn't quite as high, so

515
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Speaker 4: I wasn't the highest guy on McCarthy. That definitely would

516
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Speaker 4: have been Jim. But I have McCarthy number three overall

517
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Speaker 4: on my board.

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Speaker 1: Simon, before I know, you want to jump in with

519
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Speaker 1: a question. You're all over Michigan. You've got well Johnson

520
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: other than Travis Hunter being the top corner. You've got

521
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Speaker 1: their two defensive tackles very highly ranked. You love their

522
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Speaker 1: tight end. What is it about the Michigan program you've

523
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Speaker 1: seen in the years of doing this kind of coverage,

524
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Speaker 1: especially lately, that has helped them develop such high potential

525
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Speaker 1: draft picks.

526
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Speaker 4: The development that Harbaugh does, he identifies the dudes obviously

527
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Speaker 4: their national recruiting brand, it was an NFL program, the

528
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Speaker 4: training program that they had there, it was NFL ask

529
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Speaker 4: and finding guys that can fit the system and then

530
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Speaker 4: sort of build them up. These guys that come out

531
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Speaker 4: of the Michigan program that Harbaugh had, Harbaugh brought in,

532
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Speaker 4: there's a lot of polish to those skill set and

533
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 4: they were playing four NFL coaches in NFL systems, which

534
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 4: obviously a poc NFL and now with that coaching staff

535
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 4: half of it or more. And also guys that were

536
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Speaker 4: in the pro that are not the the personnel department

537
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 4: for Michigan identifying the talent whatnot. A lot of those

538
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 4: guys are in the NFL now sort of spread around.

539
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Speaker 4: Some of them followed Jim. His son Jay is the

540
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 4: Seahawks Special Teams coordinator, Spy Tech is the Raiders GM.

541
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Speaker 4: They're all over the place. So you see that influence

542
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 4: as well. And then I mean, beyond that the other

543
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 4: hardbaughs that are in the NFL and then the branches

544
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 4: of those threes. So the intel is sort of all

545
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 4: out there on these polished prospects and makes for an

546
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 4: easier acclamation of the NFL.

547
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Speaker 2: Yeah, last week, Chad, it was it was probably the

548
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Speaker 2: biggest ups that we had where I had so many

549
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 2: professionals better reach out to me about Todd mcshag like,

550
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 2: he came on here and said a lot and he

551
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Speaker 2: kept me busy all weekend. I basically my biggest position

552
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Speaker 2: at this point is Ashton genty being a top you know,

553
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 2: six and a half pick, so basically the odds. On

554
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 2: our show, Chad, he says he likes gent to be

555
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 2: a higher pick that people realize. And you know, he

556
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 2: gave up that Patriots nugget which was sixteen to one

557
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: when he said it is now down to six to one,

558
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 2: which is pretty insane. It was eight and a half

559
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: minus two hundred to go under eight and a half pick.

560
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Speaker 2: Now it's down to under six and a half minus

561
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Speaker 2: four fifty. So I took a large position. Shout out

562
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Speaker 2: to our guy, Todd McShay, I would love to know

563
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Speaker 2: your review. Thor On, is this news of this running

564
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 2: back moving up the top five reel? Are you seeing

565
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 2: guys mock him as the Patriots or the Jaguars or

566
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 2: is it just all a smoke screen and the Patriots

567
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: are going to pass on him, the Jags are gonna

568
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 2: pass on the Raiders will pass on him. I'm about

569
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 2: to lose a ton of money, is what is happening

570
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: right now? This running back and being a top five pick.

571
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Speaker 3: Gensy for sure is in play for the top five

572
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: the end. The floor for him is six.

573
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Speaker 4: Like if he gets there, the Raiders are going to

574
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 4: take him, and so that, you know, it becomes the

575
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 4: race with that that I as far as the Patriots

576
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 4: go with it. My take on the Patriots is it's

577
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 4: been sort of sneaky and sort of suspicious that it's

578
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 4: just like, oh, yeah, it's Will Campbell. That's another free

579
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 4: spot on the point. Why is why is it Will Campbell?

580
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 4: I don't think Will Campbell can play tackle in the NFL,

581
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 4: much less succeed at it. We don't have any data

582
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 4: for a guy whose arms are that short and wingspan

583
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 4: is that short, even hanging at tackle. So I think

584
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 4: that's an interior player. And then you know, you hear

585
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 4: when people are like, why you know, why do you

586
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 4: like Will Campbell so much? Oh, he's so great in interviews,

587
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 4: He's such a good guy. That doesn't justify the fourth pick.

588
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 4: If you were the Patriots and then people just assumed

589
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 4: you were going to take Will Campbell, would you tell

590
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 4: your media contacts, No, no, no, it's not gonna be Will Campbell.

591
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 4: It's going to be whether it's Gentee, whether it's you know,

592
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 4: whoever the real target is. Or would you just be like, yeah,

593
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 4: they're right, we're gonna take Will Campbell.

594
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: Right, I'll just say, generally speaking, are there any bets

595
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 2: that you've made, Like, are there like draft markets you've

596
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 2: been attacking? Are you just being patient kind of seeing

597
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: how this week's going to settle because people they think

598
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: it's gonna be really chalk. I don't know about you,

599
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: and I feel like those are the best years you

600
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 2: could take advantage where everyone thinks they know the first

601
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: four picks two weeks before the draft, Like that's what it.

602
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 3: Feels like this year.

603
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: Are there any markets you're attacking or are you just being patient?

604
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 3: It's not gonna be shocked.

605
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 4: We're gonna be in for a while night on Thursday.

606
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 4: The drafts where you can predict them easier, it's the

607
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 4: ones where I mean two things, you have more of

608
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 4: the top first round quarterbacks, right, because those guys become

609
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 4: free spots on the board. Last year we had the

610
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 4: six of them, we didn't know where all of them

611
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 4: were going. We knew where a few of them were

612
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 4: going in advance, not but you knew that they were

613
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 4: going to go fairly high. So you got some free

614
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 4: spots on the board there and then otherwise just elite

615
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 4: prospects at premium positions.

616
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 3: We have less of those in this class.

617
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 4: Right, The receiver class is way down to left tackle

618
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 4: class is way down and you know some of those

619
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 4: different premium positions. So because of that, we have less

620
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 4: predictability here, right. I know that, like I said, no,

621
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 4: the first two picks feel decent. Is ish about the

622
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 4: third one? After that, I think this thing is wide open.

623
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Speaker 4: I think you're going to see a lot of trades.

624
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,959
Speaker 4: I think you're going to see unexpected guys fall and

625
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 4: then unexpected guys get pulled up, and I think that

626
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 4: that's going to lead to movement as well. But yeah,

627
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 4: I don't think that this is going to be predictable

628
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 4: at all the way that this class is constituted.

629
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Speaker 1: Well, look, you just mentioned you've got a lot of

630
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Speaker 1: trades your do two round mock last week, including predictions

631
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Speaker 1: about how many quarterbacks go in the first round. You

632
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: know that number two and a half, three and a

633
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: half has been an active market. You mocked multiple trades.

634
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: So far there haven't been any, right, and so this

635
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: is the latest weep scene before the draft with zero movement.

636
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: Why do you feel so confident?

637
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 4: Well, I think there's a wait and see element with

638
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 4: some of these NFL teams because of this sort of

639
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 4: uncertain paradigm that we find ourselves saying. You know that

640
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 4: that I was just sort of speaking to. And I

641
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 4: think because of that, you're actively monitoring the situations that

642
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 4: your designated position groups of your team needs. You're gonna

643
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 4: have to do that in the mom because what is

644
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 4: the scenario, right Like, this is like a it's like

645
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 4: a doctor strange draft, right Like, at once you get

646
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 4: to four, if that thing is different than Will Campbell,

647
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 4: it opens up all these realities that we didn't know before. Right,

648
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 4: and then the fifth pick ex right, I mean if Jens'

649
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 4: is not the fourth pick, but then he could absolutely

650
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 4: go five, and it absolutely could be via a trade.

651
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 4: These things are going to open up these again, these

652
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 4: possibilities we haven't seen before. And for teams, I think

653
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 4: that's what they're waiting for. Is there a scenario where

654
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 4: let's say it's a wide receiver needy team in the twenties.

655
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 4: Is there a shot that Tedroll McMillan starts to fall

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Speaker 4: deeper than we think right, and we can get access

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Speaker 4: to him. Maybe he doesn't fall the way to us,

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Speaker 4: but maybe that we can make a small move up

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Speaker 4: the board for him. I think that's what it is.

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Speaker 4: I think this sets up for more trades during the draft.

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Speaker 4: But because the environment that we're in not pre draft

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Speaker 4: like the one with the Vikings and the Texans last

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Speaker 4: year that was like a month or six weeks before

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Speaker 4: the draft, where the Vikings were able to get the

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Speaker 4: other first round pick, right, they were able to package

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Speaker 4: you know, some of that in order to do that.

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Speaker 4: They were doing that because the quarterback environment, right, they

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Speaker 4: wanted the second bullet to potentially be able to trade up.

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Speaker 4: They just didn't want to be boxed out of those

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Speaker 4: top quarterbacks. And you know, of course the Bears with

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Speaker 4: the Panthers was a year before that, that big trade,

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Speaker 4: the Bryce Young one that was done in advance because

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Speaker 4: of the quarterback. A lot of times it's the really

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Speaker 4: strong quarterback classes that lead to the trades in.

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Speaker 3: Advance of it. But yeah, the quarterback class down this year.

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Speaker 1: So speaking of quarterbacks in your mock, you had three

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Speaker 1: qbs in the first round. Tell everybody who those qbs are,

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Speaker 1: and I would assume that means, depending on the market,

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Speaker 1: you're going to be betting over two and a half

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Speaker 1: or under three and a half quarterbacks in the first round.

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Speaker 1: But explain your positioning on quarterbacks right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had Dirt going twenty one to the Steelers,

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Speaker 3: and so like, you know, you look ten days or

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Speaker 3: you know, two weeks ago, you know, in advance of that,

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Speaker 3: I would have I would have said under two and

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Speaker 3: a half quarterbacks. But the way that this steam has

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Speaker 3: gone and the new and whatnot, I'm going over that

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Speaker 3: for sure.

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Speaker 4: And that you know, the three and a half market,

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Speaker 4: the adjusted one, you know, I would potentially be interested

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Speaker 4: in that, depending on the price of going over that too.

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Speaker 4: Guyse Jackson Dart looks like he has a decent shot

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Speaker 4: to go in the first round. I think the Steelers

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Speaker 4: are the fit that makes the most sense. Obviously obviously

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Speaker 4: have a need there. And then an Arthur Smith's offense.

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Speaker 4: You have a lot of the play action concepts throwing deep.

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Speaker 4: Jackson Dart did a lot of that, the mobility as

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Speaker 4: well that Arthur Smith likes Jackson Dart has that as well.

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Speaker 4: And then the Jalen Milroe is the other guy. Jalen

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Speaker 4: Milroe sort of the mystery guy there who's lurking. Opened

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Speaker 4: up a lot of eyes when the NFL invited Jalen

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Speaker 4: Milroe to the NFL Draft. The NFL does not make

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Speaker 4: a lot of mistakes with their invites, and so that

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Speaker 4: was tipping off and telegraphing to you that Jalen Milroe

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Speaker 4: is going to go not only higher than the media

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Speaker 4: had assumed, but that he has a real shot to

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Speaker 4: get into the first round. And I think this scenario

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Speaker 4: that makes all the sense in the world. There is

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Speaker 4: the Cleveland Browns trading up from thirty three a couple

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Speaker 4: spots and taking Jalen Milroe at the end of the

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Speaker 4: first round. Cleveland Browns is offensive coordinator. Tommy Reese was

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Speaker 4: the offensive coordinator at Alabama in twenty twenty three when

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Speaker 4: Jalen Milroe down the stretch there looked like a future

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Speaker 4: number one overall pick. It wasn't until last year. Down

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Speaker 4: the stretch through the end of September, jala Melroe still

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Speaker 4: looked like a future number one overall pick. He shredded

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Speaker 4: Georgia's defense like you never see a quarterback shred a

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Speaker 4: Kirby smart defense. At the end of September. It devolved

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Speaker 4: from there though, down the stretch and Doub's where the

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Speaker 4: push and pull came. With Kayalin Debor trying to get

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Speaker 4: Jaln Milroe shoved the square peg into the round hole

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Speaker 4: of his passing offense. The boar did not want Milroe

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Speaker 4: to leave the pocket. Wanted to pin him in there

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Speaker 4: on the passing concepts and get the ball out. And

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Speaker 4: with Jalen Milroe, you have to let him off the

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Speaker 4: leash to give him the freedom to be able to

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Speaker 4: run as well when he doesn't see it. Tommy Reese

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Speaker 4: knows how to construct an offense around him. That's what

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Speaker 4: Andrew Berry was talking about last week at his press conference.

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Speaker 4: So I think that would be the fourth one there.

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Speaker 2: And you talked about how this draft, I mean a

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Speaker 2: lot of people have that. It's just really solid throughout right.

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Speaker 2: It's not so much you know, blue Chippers top heavy,

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Speaker 2: but you know you can get a great pick at

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Speaker 2: you know, pick forty five is the same pick as

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Speaker 2: someone's taken apparently at twelve or thirteen. Like that's how

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Speaker 2: deep people think these d lines. Are you know the dns?

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Speaker 2: I'm interesting, Do you have anyone because I've talked a

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Speaker 2: lot of pros they have guys like you know, Jack Sawyer,

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Speaker 2: who's eighteen to one now to be our first rounder.

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Speaker 2: Do you have anyone like that you could see sneaking

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Speaker 2: into the first round that has crazy long shot value?

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Speaker 2: Right now where it's such a draft of randomness, is

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Speaker 2: there someone that really jumps out.

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Speaker 3: To you as far?

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Speaker 4: I would have to have the odds board in front

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Speaker 4: of me, but there there are a couple guys that I.

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Speaker 3: Take a shot on it, just like popularly, maybe aren't.

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Speaker 4: The longest shot would be probably I don't know what

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Speaker 4: Benjamin Morrison's odds are, but as a mystery box, whatever

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Speaker 4: the odds are, it'd probably be worth like what do

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00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 4: you call pizza money bet because we don't know what

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00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 4: the reports on the hips were. Right on Benjamin Morrison's hip,

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00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 4: that's a guy who would have been an all day

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Speaker 4: first round pick had he not gotten injured. He had

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00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 4: the hip injury that is scary, absolutely, But if he

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Speaker 4: gets enough clearance from the medical stats in the NFL,

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Speaker 4: he becomes in play for the first round. So you know,

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Speaker 4: just on that Chevon Ravel would be another guy. The

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00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 4: cornerback class drops off pretty quick. But those two injured guys,

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Speaker 4: they're both first round guys. Just depending on what the

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Speaker 4: medical teams have said, those will probably be two long

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Speaker 4: shots for me. I wouldn't do any receivers. I'm actually

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Speaker 4: I like the Juice Todds on the under two and

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Speaker 4: a half receivers in the first round. You're gonna see McMillan,

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Speaker 4: you're gonna see Golden. I think there's there's a lot

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Speaker 4: of scenarios where we're both like Buka and Burden fall

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Speaker 4: to the second round to open that thing up, and

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Speaker 4: I think that think's closer to a coin flip as

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Speaker 4: far as probabilities go than the two to one near

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Speaker 4: two to one is suggesting with that.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, that's that's how I go with that.

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Speaker 2: I'll give people the real quick Chavon three to one

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Speaker 2: Benjamin one, so pretty good odds if you're going to

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Speaker 2: take some long shots on that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, tend to one feels like really good number

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